Dane attacked Shih tzu
bones
My wife and I just got a Dane and a Shih tzu, at the same time. Both are 8
weeks old. We OBVIOUSLY realize that they are different sizes. Now, we
believe that they can be trained so that the big one doesn't hurt the little
one, but how can we go about it? They like to play with each other and
sometimes the Dane is gentle. Other times he is a little more aggressive.
We understand that he is bigger and that's how he would play with his litter
mates. We also understand that they have a dominance issue to resolve, but
how can we teach them now so that they will be good later on in their lives?
By the way, the little one rarely backs down.
Thanks
tibbi
wrote:
> (Only in play though.)
>
> My wife and I just got a Dane and a Shih tzu, at the same time. Both are
> 8 weeks old. We OBVIOUSLY realize that they are different sizes.
I know this isn't want you might want to hear, but....
You might consider finding a new home of one of the puppies. I say this
because even experienced dog owners rarely try to raise two puppies the
same age. And that's with puppies of the same breed. Here you've added
to the complexity with such different breeds.
I'd keep the Dane, because once he's older and calms down a bit (and has
gone through time in obedience training and such) a new smaller breed
puppy will be safer to add into your home. And you'll have more
experience in dog ownership and training.
Btw, did you buy from a pet shop? I ask because responsible good
breeder wouldn't consider selling a young puppy to a home with another
young puppy in it, esp such different sized breeds (unless of course
it's an irresponsible byb who has multiple breeds, in which case all
they care about is the money, and not the welfare of those puppies).
Regardless, you definitely want to find a trainer in your area, one who
can talk with you face-to-face, help you in training both. It's going
to cost money, but if you want to keep both safely, you need to spend
the cash in this area.
Good luck anyways.
Toni
tibbi <ti...@unique.being> wrote in message
news:8k6h1...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> You might consider finding a new home of one of the puppies. I say this
> because even experienced dog owners rarely try to raise two puppies the
> same age. And that's with puppies of the same breed. Here you've added
> to the complexity with such different breeds.
Yes, this is a really dicey situation that calls for being able to read dog
body language quickly, understanding of the physical problems and
limitations of each breed, and knowing when to separate them......... which
is any time you aren't within 2 feet.
Giant breed puppies are not easy....... a half-second and he can do
permanent damage to a smaller puppy just by being clumsy.
--
Toni
www.irish-wolfhounds.com
"Update on Steve" will be updated this weekend...<g>
tibbi
"Toni" <To...@irish-wolfhoundsSPAMFREE.com> wrote:
> tibbi <ti...@unique.being> wrote in message
> news:8k6h1...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > You might consider finding a new home of one of the puppies.
>
> Yes, this is a really dicey situation that calls for being able to read
> dog body language quickly, understanding of the physical problems
> and limitations of each breed, and knowing when to separate them.........
> which is any time you aren't within 2 feet.
>
> Giant breed puppies are not easy....... a half-second and he can do
> permanent damage to a smaller puppy just by being clumsy.
> --
And if anyone knows about giant breeds, it's definitely you. :)
Also, the smaller breed puppy will be easier to rehome at this point.
> Toni
> www.irish-wolfhounds.com
> "Update on Steve" will be updated this weekend...<g>
<looking forward to the page update! :)
PJ Butterfield
You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together. Just
because YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE of handling more than one submissive, terrified,
humbled and beaten pup doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of
EASILY caring for a multiple number of dogs of various breeds. You are
totally full of pureee shit.
Pam
tibbi wrote in message <8k6h1...@enews2.newsguy.com>...
>In article <8k65e...@enews3.newsguy.com>, "bones" <bones@MNSi net>
>wrote:
>
>I know this isn't want you might want to hear, but....
>
>You might consider finding a new home of one of the puppies. I say this
>because even experienced dog owners rarely try to raise two puppies the
>same age. And that's with puppies of the same breed. Here you've added
>to the complexity with such different breeds.
>
>
>I'd keep the Dane, because once he's older and calms down a bit (and has
>gone through time in obedience training and such) a new smaller breed
Christy
PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:L7Q95.2364$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net...
> Tubby,
>
> You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
> raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together. Just
> because YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE of handling more than one submissive,
terrified,
> humbled and beaten pup doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of
> EASILY caring for a multiple number of dogs of various breeds. You are
> totally full of pureee shit.
> Pam
Gee, and just a few hours ago, you commended her on another post, without
twisting around her screen name in a juvenile attempt at insulting her.
You know, you're really quite useless, so into the killfile you go.
Bye!
Christy
PJ Butterfield
useful, but otherwise she doesn't know anything. Go ahead... Killfile me
if you want. Hang with the thugs.. I don't care. I don't need you and you
don't need me.
Pam
Christy wrote in message <8k8cus$q3d$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
Cindy Tittle Moore
PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
>Tubby,
>
>You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
>raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together.
I see you're adapting just fine to what you like to accuse others in
this group of doing.
Raising two puppies -- of any breed or size -- is problematical. It's
harder to housetrain two puppies. It's harder to bond to both of them
-- they have a tendency to bond to each other instead. Not
infrequently, one puppy developes an extreme dependence on the other,
and cannot function if separated.
It's certainly *possible* to do it. Few people, though, are prepared
for the amount of work it can sometimes take, especially if they're
interested in training and socializing them properly. Throw in a few
more factors such as the extreme size difference, and it's worth
taking a second thought about whether it's a good idea to try and do
it.
--Cindy
Cindy Tittle Moore
Christy <cool...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Gee, and just a few hours ago, you commended her on another post, without
>twisting around her screen name in a juvenile attempt at insulting her.
Good point, I missed that. And who do we all know and love who likes to
do *that*??
Curiouser and curiouser.
--Cindy
PJ Butterfield
in size does not warrant the suggestion to get rid of one dog based on the
information given here. Maybe these people are quite capable of handling
it.
Pam
Cindy Tittle Moore wrote in message
<7YO95.288662$MB.48...@news6.giganews.com>...
>In article <L7Q95.2364$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net>,
>PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
>>Tubby,
>>
>>You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
>>raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together.
>
Cindy Tittle Moore
PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
>Whether or not it's a good idea doesn't make it impossible. The difference
>in size does not warrant the suggestion to get rid of one dog based on the
>information given here. Maybe these people are quite capable of handling
>it.
You said:
>>>You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
>>>raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together.
I gave you a number of reasons why it might not work. "NO REASON", by
the way, is a little different from "sometimes it will work and
sometimes it won't."
--Cindy
Christy
Cindy Tittle Moore <tit...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:aZO95.288667$MB.48...@news6.giganews.com...
I erred - the commendation was actually posted just a few *seconds* before
the "pureed shit" post. Some WILD mood swings in our shiny, happy "newbie!"
Christy
tibbi
> Whether or not it's a good idea doesn't make it impossible. The
> difference in size does not warrant the suggestion to get rid of
> one dog based on the information given here. Maybe these people
> re quite capable of handling it.
If they could handle it they wouldn't be asking questions, Hon. But
hey, when the little one is hurt by the bigger one, will you be the one
to pony up for the vet bills?
Btw, idiot, you see the part where I mentioned they should go to a
traner for face-to-face work if they decide to keep both. Because
advice on usenet isn't going to cut it in a situation like this.
Of course, you like listening to people like Jerry, so you like giving
advise that results in dogs being hurt or even maybe dying. So it's not
surprising you'd reaction like this.
Oh, and cretin? I have one dog because I have ulcertive colitis. I go
into the hospital at times and I've judged that having more than one
permanent dog isn't fair to the dogs. I foster dogs instead, you
cretin. That way when (and it is when, not if, eventually) I go into
the hospital, my spouse only has to care for one dog, and _if_ there a
foster dog at that moment it can be taken into another home if
neccessary.
So go stick it in your ear Hon.
BigDogBite
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Dan H
TO...@dog-play.com
> Tubby,
> You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
> raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together. Just
> because YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE of handling more than one submissive, terrified,
> humbled and beaten pup doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of
> EASILY caring for a multiple number of dogs of various breeds. You are
> totally full of pureee shit.
> Pam
So which is the real Pam? The one that resorts to name calling as above
or the one that follows this precept:
"What I do care about is that life is too FUCKING SHORT for people to act
this rudely to one another."
If you have an idea about how people should comport themselves in the
newsgroup perhaps leading by example would be the more effective way of
making your point.
I'm always puzzled by people who seem to have no trouble in deciding that
it is wrong to yell at a dog, but seem to think that it works to yell at
other people. If non-confrontational methods work so well, I'd expect
the dedicated advocate to demonstrate their application.
Diane Blackman
http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html
Re: Jerry Howe http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html
Falling short of a goal of "excellent" leaves room for "very good."
Falling short of a goal of "good enough" leaves only "not good enough."
Lynn Kosmakos
PJ Butterfield wrote:
>
> Tubby,
>
> You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why they can't
> raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds together.
I guess it depends on what you mean by raising a dog. Tibbi actually
trains her dog. That is definately more difficult to do well when
you have 2 of the same age - which is what she said. Of course, if
you're just feeding and cleaning up after and petting your dogs, it
doesn't matter much.
Lynn K.
brijen
> I'm always puzzled by people who seem to have no trouble in deciding that
> it is wrong to yell at a dog, but seem to think that it works to yell at
> other people.
Bravo Diane!
Thanks for being the one to say it!
Jenn
Jerry Howe
twist and pinch the puppies ears, and he'll be fine... Jerry.
Jerry Howe
"Christy" <cool...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8k8g12$qhc$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> Cindy Tittle Moore <tit...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
> news:aZO95.288667$MB.48...@news6.giganews.com...
> > In article <8k8cus$q3d$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > Christy <cool...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Gee, and just a few hours ago, you commended her on another
post, without
> > >twisting around her screen name in a juvenile attempt at
insulting her.
> >
> > Good point, I missed that. And who do we all know and love who
likes to
> > do *that*??
> >
> > Curiouser and curiouser.
> >
> > --Cindy
>
BigDogBite
Jerry Howe
"tibbi" <ti...@unique.being> wrote in message
news:8k7sk...@enews4.newsguy.com...
> In article
<CIC95.40417$NP5.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Toni" <To...@irish-wolfhoundsSPAMFREE.com> wrote:
>
> > tibbi <ti...@unique.being> wrote in message
> > news:8k6h1...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > > You might consider finding a new home of one of the puppies.
> > Yes, this is a really dicey situation that calls for being able
to read
> > dog body language quickly, understanding of the physical
> > problems and limitations of each breed, and knowing when to
> > separate them......... which is any time you aren't within 2
feet.
> > Giant breed puppies are not easy....... a half-second and he can
> > do permanent damage to a smaller puppy just by being clumsy.
> And if anyone knows about giant breeds, it's definitely you. :)
Certainly. Your pal just told the poster to get rid of her dog,
because she doesn't know enough about properly handling and training
dogs... and you think that's APPROPRIATE.
> Also, the smaller breed puppy will be easier to rehome at this
point.
Is that becasue there's less dog for them to rehome? What makes you
think that getting rid of the dog is a suitable solution for a very
simple training problem?
> > Toni
> > www.irish-wolfhounds.com
> > "Update on Steve" will be updated this weekend...<g>
> <looking forward to the page update! :)
Thanks for all the ''HELP". Jerry.
"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and
judge things by reason's way, not by popular say." Montaigne
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin
"If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman.
DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS... j;~)
"CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw.
"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems
of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the
simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to
admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which
they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their
lives."
Leo Tolstoy
Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more
complaints to my personal email than any other controversial
post I have made to date, bar none?:
caveat
If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would
rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you
have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke
him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold,
hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are
appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher,
or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your
dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe.
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Wits' End Dog Training
Witse...@aol.com
http://www.doggydoright.com
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem,
bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who
ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned
qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split
seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless
hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
Jerry Howe
This is supposed to be dog behavior, not rescue. People who do not
know enough about handling and training dogs, often get rid of them
on the recommendation of ''EXPERTS'' like your pals here. That's WHY
we are destroying five million dogs per year ONLY because of behavior
problems that morons like your pals here have no idea about dealing
with without getting rid of the dog.
If you want to support ignorance and bad handling, go somewhere that
is appreciated, like john richardson's list, or dena paces' list. WE
DON'T WANT PEOPLE TELLING US TO HURT, KILL, OR DUMP DOGS because you
bums don't know what to do. Jerry.
"Christy" <cool...@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8k8cus$q3d$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
>
> PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:L7Q95.2364$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net...
> > Tubby,
> >
> > You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why
they can't
> > raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds
together. Just
> > because YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE of handling more than one submissive,
> terrified,
> > humbled and beaten pup doesn't mean that normal people are
incapable of
> > EASILY caring for a multiple number of dogs of various breeds.
You are
> > totally full of pureee shit.
> > Pam
>
> Gee, and just a few hours ago, you commended her on another post,
without
> twisting around her screen name in a juvenile attempt at insulting
her.
BigDogBite
of the pups then no more problems....right MORON.
WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!! WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry Howe (Mr Helper) (Mr. Nice Guy) (Honest Abe) Is mentally
unstable and ABUSES dogs.he is worse than a SHOCK COLLAR...the
proof
"Jerry Howe" wrote:
"If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his
protection
training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a
protection class, the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and
he should have loose stools within two or three minutes of
beginning the lesson."
He tortures dogs till they have a temperature of 106 and have
the runs.
He is also a puppy mill breeder
"I grew up in a professional breeding kennel. I've owned stud
dogs who've sired hundreds of puppies. I've whelped thousands of
puppies" HOWE disgusting you are JERRY
Jerry Howe
626 Raleigh St
Orlando, FL 32805
407-425-5092
Jerry Howe and his Doggy Do Wrong are being investigated for
fraud.
http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html
http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408W
A List of Jerry's References from the newsgroups
"Jerry Howe is a freak... I have my doubts as to whether he has
ever even SEEN a dog never mind trained one. "
"That's not a training method. It's an abuse method. Pray tell,
how does this asshole who has no business touching a dog, much
less training one, achieve and control the temperature spike? "
"Yeah, that's rich. He'll make a dog sick enough to die, ON
PURPOSE, but ridicules choke chains?"
"He's rude, annoying, obnoxious, and every other word in the
book"
"Doesn't he sell magic black boxes? "
"That would be the same person...his magic black box will cure
*any*
behavior problem, don't you know? "
"It does? It must be used by whacking the dog over the
head....I'd like him to demonstrate on himself... "
"And yet do you notice that the second anyone talks about choke
collars and prong collars and hanging, pinching or twisting he
calls it animal abuse? And spiking a dogs temp like that isent?
He is a lunatic... best to be ignored. "
Jerry Howe
and training dogs. Jerry.
"PJ Butterfield" <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:AMQ95.2395$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net...
> Whether or not it's a good idea doesn't make it impossible. The
difference
> in size does not warrant the suggestion to get rid of one dog based
on the
> information given here. Maybe these people are quite capable of
handling
> it.
> Pam
>
> Cindy Tittle Moore wrote in message
> <7YO95.288662$MB.48...@news6.giganews.com>...
> >In article <L7Q95.2364$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net>,
> >PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >>Tubby,
> >>
> >>You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why
they can't
> >>raise these two dogs of the same age and different breeds
together.
> >
Jerry Howe
"Cindy Tittle Moore" <tit...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:9aP95.319219$VR.48...@news5.giganews.com...
> In article <AMQ95.2395$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net>,
> > PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > Whether or not it's a good idea doesn't make it impossible. The
> > difference in size does not warrant the suggestion to get rid of
one
> > dog based on the information given here. Maybe these people are
> > quite capable of handling it.
> You said:
>>>> You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why
>>>> they can't raise these two dogs of the same age and different
>>>> breeds together.
> I gave you a number of reasons why it might not work.
And I give you many reasons why you have no place giving anybody any
training advice. The primary reasons are, you are an incompetent
trainer, and you HURT DOGS. IF YOU WERE A COMPETENT TRAINER, YOU
WOULDN'T NEED TO HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM.
> "NO REASON", by the way, is a little different from "sometimes it
will
> work and sometimes it won't."
"Sometimes it will work, and sometimes it won't," is for the same
reasons why you reccomend jerking and choking and shocking and
twisting and pinching dogs to train them...
YOU DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER
> --Cindy
Jerry Howe
"Cindy Tittle Moore" <tit...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:7YO95.288662$MB.48...@news6.giganews.com...
> In article <L7Q95.2364$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net>,
> PJ Butterfield <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >Tubby,
> >You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why
> > they can't raise these two dogs of the same age and different
> > breeds together.
> I see you're adapting just fine to what you like to accuse others
in
> this group of doing.
And you're still trying to look like you know what you're talking
about. You DON'T. You HURT dogs to train them. You are a barbarian.
> Raising two puppies -- of any breed or size -- is problematical.
It's not that big of a problem, unless you like to jerk and choke and
twist and pinch their ears... That's what makes dogs out of control.
> It's harder to housetrain two puppies.
No, it's actually EASIER.
> It's harder to bond to both of them -- they have a tendency to bond
> to each other instead.
That's because the other pup isn't jerking and choking them on a
pronged choke collar and twisting and pinching his ears and toes and
shocking him, to ENHANCE THE BOND between ''trainer'' and dog.
> Not infrequently, one puppy developes an extreme dependence on
> the other, and cannot function if separated.
Because the alternative is to be with a human who DISRESPECTS and
HURTS them. YOU stick your greasy fat fingers down their throats to
break them of mouthing, and then you twist and pinch and jerk and
choke and shock them to make them pick something up...
> It's certainly *possible* to do it. Few people, though, are
prepared
> for the amount of work it can sometimes take, especially if they're
> interested in training and socializing them properly.
All it takes is a couple of weeks of jerking, choking, and pinching
and twisting, and then you're ready start shocking them.. Tell us
about the alpha rollover, the heaviest weapon in your arsenal...
> Throw in a few more factors such as the extreme size difference,
and > it's worth taking a second thought about whether it's a good
idea to
> try and do it.
Not at all. Throw in the fact that you only understand hurting and
physically punishing and dominating dogs, and you'll understand that
THAT is why you end up throwing away and KILLING dogs.
Jerry Howe
"tibbi" <ti...@unique.being> wrote in message
news:8k8gj...@enews1.newsguy.com...
> In article <AMQ95.2395$Fq6.2...@news.uswest.net>, "PJ
Butterfield"
> <pjbutt...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> > Whether or not it's a good idea doesn't make it impossible. The
> > difference in size does not warrant the suggestion to get rid of
> > one dog based on the information given here. Maybe these
> > people aren't quite capable of handling it.
> If they could handle it they wouldn't be asking questions, Hon.
That's why this is R.P.D.B., she's looking for INFORMATION.
> But hey, when the little one is hurt by the bigger one, will you be
the
> one to pony up for the vet bills?
OF COURSE the VET BILLS would be YOUR principle concern...
> Btw, idiot, you see the part where I mentioned they should go to a
> traner for face-to-face work if they decide to keep both.
Easy for you to say. There is less than ten percent chance of finding
a competent trainer. Besides, all the INFORMATION she needs is
available for free in the Wit's End Dog Training Method manual
available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com
> Because advice on usenet isn't going to cut it in a situation like
this.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. You bums have been telling people to hurt and
kill dogs, INSTEAD of TRAINING THEM.
> Of course, you like listening to people like Jerry, so you like
giving
> advise that results in dogs being hurt or even maybe dying.
INSTEAD OF ENDING UP IN A SHELTER GETTING KILLED?
> So it's not surprising you'd reaction like this.
You and your pals are HISTORY. Bye!
> Oh, and cretin? I have one dog because I have ulcertive colitis.
Good for you. That's because you are a nervous, insecure, vicious,
angry, cretin.
> I go into the hospital at times and I've judged that having more
than
> one permanent dog isn't fair to the dogs.
Bums like you shouldn't have any living beings dependent on them.
> I foster dogs instead, you cretin.
That's shameful. Does the ''rescue'' organization know HOWE you
mistreat dogs?
> That way when (and it is when, not if, eventually) I go into the
> hospital, my spouse only has to care for one dog, and _if_ there
> a foster dog at that moment it can be taken into another home
> if neccessary.
Have a nice stay...
> So go stick it in your ear Hon.
Yes, you are the female equivalent of our pal dogman...
Jerry Howe
"Lynn Kosmakos" <lkos...@home.com> wrote in message
news:396820F5...@home.com...
> I guess it depends on what you mean by raising a dog. Tibbi
> actually trains her dog.
No, tibbi actually forces and intimidates and dominates dogs, and
thinks that's training. It makes dogs nervous, and perpetuates
behavior probelms.
> That is definately more difficult to do well when you have 2 of the
> same age - which is what she said.
Only if you are trying to force control and dominate them. Dogs learn
and behave themselve very nicely if they are given a chance to learn
without being confined and punished.
> Of course, if you're just feeding and cleaning up after and petting
> your dogs, it doesn't matter much.
You're probably right. It's very time consuming to jerk and choke
your dogs on pronged choke collars and punish and confine them
instead of just teaching them what they need to learn and allowing
the dog to develop without fear and pain and punishment.
> Lynn K.
But that would take all the FUN out of raising a dog. I've NEVER
practiced ''attention'' baloney like you're always worried about. You
will do ANYTHING to get that false sense of CONTROL...
Jerry Howe
to be a family oriented news group. Jerry.
"BigDogBite" <bigdogbit...@mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Hey douche bag too bad you don't know anything about dogs
>
>
Dan Haley
Jerry Howe wrote
Easy for you to say. There is less than ten percent chance of finding
a competent trainer.
Dan H
Dan Haley
Dan H
Jerry Howe
<TO...@dog-play.com> wrote in message
news:8k8fhl$1qnj$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com...
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:59:57 -0700 PJ Butterfield
<pjbutt...@uswest.net> whittled these words:
> > Tubby,
>
> > You are so full of bullshit! There is absolutely NO REASON why
> > they can't raise these two dogs of the same age and different
> > breeds together. Just because YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE of
> > handling more than one submissive, terrified, humbled and beaten
> > pup doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of EASILY
> > caring for a multiple number of dogs of various breeds. You
> > are totally full of pureee shit.
> > Pam
> So which is the real Pam? The one that resorts to name calling as
> above or the one that follows this precept:
> "What I do care about is that life is too FUCKING SHORT for people
> to act this rudely to one another."
> If you have an idea about how people should comport themselves in
> the newsgroup perhaps leading by example would be the more
> effective way of making your point.
> I'm always puzzled by people who seem to have no trouble in
> deciding that it is wrong to yell at a dog, but seem to think that
it
> works to yell at other people.
You mean people like yourself, who are too ignorant and too stubborn
and too emabarassed to change their irresponsible beliefs and habits?
> If non-confrontational methods work so well, I'd expect the
dedicated
> advocate to demonstrate their application.
We're talking about NORMAL behavior. People here who like to hurt
dogs to train them are NOT NORMAL, they are criminally insane.
> Diane Blackman
> http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html
> Re: Jerry Howe http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html
> Falling short of a goal of "excellent" leaves room for "very good."
> Falling short of a goal of "good enough" leaves only "not good
> enough."
And falling short of appropriate handling and training techniques
GETS DOGS KILLED. Jerry.
Jerry Howe
These folks who like to hurt dogs to train them are NOT NORMAL. They
are mentally disturbed control freaks, and will NOT learn to control
themselves. That's why I came in here to identify, expose, and
discredit them. WE KNOW WHO they are, WE KNOW WHAT they do, and WE
KNOW HOWE to get rid of them...
All we need to do is NOT APPROVE of people HURTING DOGS to train
them, and they will go where they will not be embarrassed and shamed.
These people put their false pride above all else. your condoning
them is what keeps them going on, telling us to jerk and choke and
shock and twist and pinch and beat dogs with sticks to MOTIVATE them,
and HANG dogs to rehabilitate them.
"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
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>
> > I'm always puzzled by people who seem to have no trouble in
deciding that
> > it is wrong to yell at a dog, but seem to think that it works to
yell at
> > other people.
>
BigDogBite
are the MORON that should not be here giving advice considering
the fact you are the worst dog abuser on the internet.
http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html
http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408W
PJ Butterfield
BigDogBite
ly.........so..........you..........understand.
PJ Butterfield
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