A couple questions about our Chesapeake.....
Despina
the neighborhood a fews years ago. He's at least 9 years old,
possibly even as old as 11, but he's still very spry and loves to go
for walks. If another dog comes out to the road to sniff him when he
goes by on a walk, 98% of the time, they'll just sniff eachother,
tails wagging away. But when he sees a dog coming on the other side
of the road on a leash, his ears go up, he starts to walk faster, and
when they go by he snarls, barks loudly, and jumps around on his leash
trying to get at the dog. We had to get him a harness because he
would back up quickly and try to get out of his collar. He still
tries to get free of his harness when a dog goes by on a leash.
Sometimes the other dog will be doing the same thing, other times
it'll ignore him.
Our dog is very disobediant and headstrong, but since he's so old and
we haven't raised him from the start, nor did his former owners give
him any training (apparently), there doesn't seem to be much we can do
about it. We'll scold him when he acts like that towards other dogs,
but he ignores everything. But there are three dogs on the road (a
dalmation, a doberman, and a keeshond) that he hates no matter what.
But the other day he went ape over a female poodle (and he gets along
with females) that went by on a chain when he had previously sniffed
it, wagging his tail while it was loose. He'll always try to "get the
last bark" by turning around and giving one last bark at the dogs.
I heard this is because it makes dogs feel secure and tough; it lets
them be top dog and bully them around. I assume that some dogs will
take it, and some dogs will try to snarl and bark back. Is this why
he does it?
And secondly, there's a little Lhasa Apso-sized female dog that runs
out to our dog everytime he goes by. They'll sniff each other's
faces, and then my dog will look the other way while that dog sniffs
and licks his private areas. Then, our dog will walk on, but the
little dog will run in front of him, cut him off, and stare up into
his face. Sometimes she nips at him, but our dog just takes it and
looks the other way. One time he nipped back, though. I take it this
other dog is trying to be dominate and our dog just accepts that?
Child
"Despina" <Moonlit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> We have a male Chesapeake Bay Retriever mix that we found wandering
> the neighborhood a fews years ago. He's at least 9 years old,
> possibly even as old as 11, but he's still very spry and loves to go
> for walks. If another dog comes out to the road to sniff him when he
> goes by on a walk, 98% of the time, they'll just sniff eachother,
> tails wagging away. But when he sees a dog coming on the other side
> of the road on a leash, his ears go up, he starts to walk faster, and
> when they go by he snarls, barks loudly, and jumps around on his leash
> trying to get at the dog. We had to get him a harness because he
> would back up quickly and try to get out of his collar. He still
> tries to get free of his harness when a dog goes by on a leash.
> Sometimes the other dog will be doing the same thing, other times
> it'll ignore him.
>
> Our dog is very disobediant and headstrong, but since he's so old and
> we haven't raised him from the start, nor did his former owners give
> him any training (apparently), there doesn't seem to be much we can do
> about it.
Yes! You have a chessie! They can be headstrong and disobedient under the
best of circumstances. I love them for that.
>We'll scold him when he acts like that towards other dogs,
> but he ignores everything. But there are three dogs on the road (a
> dalmation, a doberman, and a keeshond) that he hates no matter what.
> But the other day he went ape over a female poodle (and he gets along
> with females) that went by on a chain when he had previously sniffed
> it, wagging his tail while it was loose. He'll always try to "get the
> last bark" by turning around and giving one last bark at the dogs.
I bet you jack or paulette will have some better advice than i do about
"scolding" - my friend has 9 chessies whom I have dog sat. they don't care
if they get yelled at either. They do work for food though. Perhaps you
can distract old-grouchy-dog with food so that he ignores other dogs.
I have a keeshond. All the chessies hate him, except for one female. I
think its his bark. It irritates them.
> I heard this is because it makes dogs feel secure and tough; it lets
> them be top dog and bully them around. I assume that some dogs will
> take it, and some dogs will try to snarl and bark back. Is this why
> he does it?
My instinct is that some dogs irritate him and others don't. Chessies are
dogs with strong likes and dislikes.
> And secondly, there's a little Lhasa Apso-sized female dog that runs
> out to our dog everytime he goes by. They'll sniff each other's
> faces, and then my dog will look the other way while that dog sniffs
> and licks his private areas. Then, our dog will walk on, but the
> little dog will run in front of him, cut him off, and stare up into
> his face. Sometimes she nips at him, but our dog just takes it and
> looks the other way. One time he nipped back, though. I take it this
> other dog is trying to be dominate and our dog just accepts that?
I think he likes having his privates licked, actually <vbg> - the dog is
female, and small, he might not consider her a threat to his chessie-hood.
It sounds like you have a wonderful character of a dog - a complex fellow.
Do you think he might be distracted from other dogs with food?
The Puppy Wizard
HOWEDY Dean,
"Dean Pitts" <dean...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have a 3 yr old cockopoo. He is the most friendliest,
> affectionate, and playful dog at home. But when I take
> him out for his walks and he see's another dog he goes
> wild. He tries desperately to unleash himself and
> wants to see the dog.
Perhaps he's just being friendly.
> Sometimes I have a real hard time holding him back.
Forcing control is what makes him go HOWETA control.
> I will give in sometimes,
After the pup has worked hisself into a rage.
> l'll then hold the leash away from the dog alittle,
To restrain your dog.
> and then he goes viciously attacking the dog.
Right. That's what we do to train attack dogs to attack.
> Its very embarrassing.
Unless you're trainin a dog to attack.
> What can I do?
That's EZ. But you ain't gonna get no advice from
HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug
Cowards Liars And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL PATIENTS And ASYLUM ESCAPEES
who only know to HURT and MURDER dogs to train
them.
> Ana
Here's two case histories JUST LIKE YOURS:
Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without
physical contact and she does seem to listen
better than when I would praise with it. I agree
that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from
her since I started the Witts End.
"MaryBeth" <marb...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "MaryBeth" <marb...@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
> wrote in message
>
> > Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M.
> > Holmes ?????
>
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie
> M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
>
> MB <G>
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holm...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian who is a real
sweet dog with a few issues that I am working to resolve after
adopting her from a shelter she spent 2 years in. All I want
is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual. My dog has
ACTUALLY been responding to her training. The deal is you
have to seperate your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the manual what you
want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of the whole Jerry
thing. I have to say the guy is pretty clever, you're letting
him get under your skin. It makes for a very amusing game I
think. I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far, using the
Witts End, I have gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to look
to me for direction, to wait for me to say when. I have
changed her from an aggressive dog to one who is willing to
please her owner, willing to listen, willing to assume her
role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?
Friday, 5/31/02:
HOWEDY Valerie,
"Valerie M. Holmes" <Holm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
message
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...
> I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian
> from a no-kill shelter.
Nice goin.
> She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some
> socialization issues to overcome.
Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time
shouldn't have problems associated with it if the facility
was reasonable, and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't
be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson
and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE.
> My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these
> issues. .
.
Don't worry about it! I got all the answers and none
of the calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything
Jerry sez and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership
card, secret password, secret decoder ring, secret fan club
privilidges, secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual, secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
member's benefits, and secret Contract Signed In
Werewoof And Elf Blood with a lifetime GUARANTEE
NEVER to have a dog behavior problem again and your
dog will ALWAYS WANT to do as you ask.
IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER! Stick around...
> 1. She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs,
Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here. I hope you're fit,
dog training is a physical skill not easily learned through
books, the written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.
Every dog is an individual, and we got to SEE the behaviors
to even GUESS what's going on with your dog. THEN we got
to formulate a training program based on the individual dog's
requirements for physical and emotional PRESSURE and learn
the fine art of attrition and have the expertise to hurt your
dog PRECICELY, and ONLY WHEN NECESSARY.
But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order. Any sudden changes
in behavior needs to be examined by the veterinarian and he'll
be able to give you a referral to such an expert who knows
HOWE and when to HURT your dog properly to make it friendly or
advise you when to KILL IT TO BE FAIR.
So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make an appointment
in 15 days to put your dog to sleep. Ask him HOWE MUCH.
Hang up the phone and SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!
SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into an envelope
with your dog's name PRINTED on it in UPPER CASE thingys.
MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE BANK, SPEAK
NOTHING!, and withdraw ONLY NEW BILLS!
If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP GOIN! We need
CLEAN MONEY for this SACRIFICE. When you accept
this money DO NOT TOUCH! HAVE THE TELLER PUT
THE BILLS INTO THE ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.
ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME ON THE BACK,
Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression. Hand the teller a
note. DON'T SPEAK!
NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE SACRIFICIAL
ENVELOPE IN UPPER CASE THINGY'S.
Now you can speak, but don't, nobody will believe you. Trust
me. Take the envelope to your HOWES and put it inside your
pillow case and FORGET ABOUT IT. Don't need that for two weeks
yet.
> even dogs that have shown that they are willing to be
> submissive.
Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand doggietalkie.
You mean she attacks other dogs, boys, girls, puppys, all
dogs? Good. That tells me we consistency going for us to fix
it.
When does she get an opportunity to have a dog cower?
> Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.
O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can probably break the
lunging in a few minutes of work. Maybe five, but we'll need
to repeat it a few times to generalize the idea. And we'll
need to do a little work to learn to handle her properly,
maybe an hour over several 15 minute sessions and a half dozen
5 minute sessions. I hope your ciphering is keepin up with us.
> 2. She is usually kind and affectionate toward her owner
> (me),
Well, usually? I don't like usually. I like always, consistent,
100%, that's what's good. Always consistent. Consistent
behaviors change to other, often seemingly un related,
consistent behaviors.
Dogs like consistency too, but not repression. You'll see.
> but recently began turning sour
Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest of the problem
is as I thought, JUST a little mishandling. I'll teach you
every thing you need to know. We're about half way
done training aready. WATCH!
> and for no apparent reason
All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE direct result
of our ineffective and inappropriate responses to our dog's
innate normal natural instinctive reflexive responses to
circumstances of their environment WE create for them.
I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to respond differently
to your dog's instinctive reflexes to you, which will cause
your dog to reflex differently to your CONDITIONED reflexive
responses and interactions towards him, compelling him
to NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING you ask,
cause THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
Once YOU have learned proper handling techniques
and appropriate non physical control through conditioned
distraction and praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe
less,) you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning and desensitization
techniques and demonstrated self control as explained in
our Contract.. err, your FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com .
Ahem.
Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION dog that's gonna
throw Jerry the dew claw. Don't let that happen. I'll work
you through the whole process and you'll see results
tommorow. You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should be ready to start
introducing her to a couple select dogs in about fifteen
minutes of work and then we'll repeat that again a couple
times and again with a couple moore dogs and then we'll be
ready to start with the first dog again for the off lead
introduction and you're DONE.
Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez we're gonna
need a couple moore days to work this introduction
business till the aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract, I'm err, shall we say
OUTTA HERE FOREVER?
Of course I could handle this a lot faster in person myself
cause I can control you and your dog to insure the result,
so nobody's got to do nothin noHOWE, but speak when I ask,
and hush as I speak and relish each word like candy you'd eat,
and jump when I say, ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and
tout tributes to Jerry's manual whenever you open your
mouth...
That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope you don't faint
at the sight of blood. WE got to sign a contract. HOWE
MUCH do you want this dog to turn out PERFECT in
about two weeks? I'm willing to...shall we say STAKE
my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it???
BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> and...
And NUTHIN. I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!
You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and sing
for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...I'll stop at
at nuthin to save your dog's life, include sell the souls
of my dog and my wife, to prove there's no way to make
a dog lover right. I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's
lives, I'll fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears. They
been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs and now I
got them all by their balls in my jaws...
Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just make me laugh.
I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.
> snarls toward me!
Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once you learn
to handle her like any of my students.
> This has completely destroyed the trust
What trust? The trust established with your choke collar
and corrections?
Don't worry about a thing. WE got a CONTRACT. Remember?
> we were building over the past month.
BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!! Got me laughin
in Spanish and I don't even speak Spanish.
> 3. She deals with visitors,
Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy. Don't
worry about it. I'm the only game in town. I got the deal
and Jerry don't make no deals... Well not no moore,
since I'm temporarily HOWETA... mmm, currency.
Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer to
hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours trying to show
the dog HOWE to live instead of forcing IT to choose the
degree of pain it prefers to tolerate in between spurts of
life, anxiety, and repression.
> but is very anxious around people she doesn't know.
Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being
aggressive cause she's shy, or maybe just from back
when a puppy jumpin up onto a guest and gettin kneed
in the chest or toes stepped on or alphaphalpha rolled
and growled into their throat pr just SCRUFF SHAKE
and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin CHUKED and
bit on the ears till they piss themselves or jerked and
choked on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or
burned with a medical grade static like stimulation device
or containment system like our dog lovers at k9 web and
cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooron recommend TO ENHANCE THE
BOND between 'trainer' and dog.
Our traditional training methods are what's making your dog
turn on you for hurting and scaring her during her meetings
with other dogs. Our pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and
janet boss recommend pronged spiked pinch choke and shock
and citronella collars for training this kind of dog... and
they'd rather not put IT through all that when there's SO MANY
dogs that are deserving of their HELP. And then they'll deny
it, despite it's archived FOREVER.
You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.
> At first she would scream if a stranger petted her with 2
> hands.
I'd probably come real close to dropping the hammer on them
myself. My dogs will bite you if a stranger meeting us put
their hands on us in a restraining manner. We don't like that.
Trust me. Strangers touching us means we got to run and find
an adult or a policeman. RIGHT? Either that or...
> I just don't trust her around anyone yet.
Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my training methods
and then we don't got to worry about what the heel the dog
cares... who the heel's the goddamned trainer, you or the
dog?
THE DOG!
You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to his needs properly
and then he'll reflex to his natural instinct and be able to
use his dog skills as part of your family pack, equally with
you and the other family members.
Every thing you've been taught about handling your dog
is DEAD WRONG and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog behavior industry
for bringing us every dog behavior problem we've got.
> 4. She lunged at my sisters 2 year old
$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for me aren't ya,
pullin the fear/guilt double high card trump tryin to make Old
Jerry roll over and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???
NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!
IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE YOU, DOG LOVERS!!!
> the same way she lunged toward other dogs, aggressively.
Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!! BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> I really really like this dog,
THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs on general principle
and individual dogs on merit and don't like nobody no moore
than me...and mine. You got your copy of The Contract?
Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are comin through
this alive... sort of, in a sense.
> when she is calm and able to relax.
Vs what? I would like to know when she's not calm and able
to relax... tell us what she's doin. THOSE are the anxitey
relief mechanisms WE need to deal with so I can fulfill
OUR Contract and... finish you off, and that little dog too!
> I want to keep her,
LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract. Haven't we?
> but I don't really know what the best way to establish
> the necessary trust.
Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS here. Let me
INTRODUCE you around?
> Any ideas out there?
Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to another forum.
Weren't you, dog lovers? We'll introduce our new found friends
later. Right now our OP's got some studying to do before she
has an accident cause she won't know HOWE to handle her
lead to stop triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin time
with dog abusers who jerk and choke dogs. That's moore then
half of what gets IT angry.
Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.
I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND. Jerry.
j;~)
Nevyn writes:
Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive
had with your training manual! My two mutts have
gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND
My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!
I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female
today and she was being an angel after like an hour
of working with her! it is AMAZING!!
I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)
Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
================
Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.
Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.
Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn
Nevyn says:
How are you?
Jerry says:
sup?
Nevyn says:
Oh nothing
Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!
Jerry says:
fine
Jerry says:
tell me
Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@%
about other
dogs
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
Yup
Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?
Nevyn says:
No
Nevyn says:
Praised them
Jerry says:
ahh!
Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better
Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears
at them and
pours water on them
Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!
Nevyn says:
muahaha
Jerry says:
ok
Jerry says:
I'll go for that
Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if
you're
consistent
Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them
Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends
Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath
Nevyn says:
muahahaha
Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind
teat?
Nevyn says:
eh
Nevyn says:
nah
Nevyn says:
cant
Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin
Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it
Jerry says:
why not.
Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server
Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would
prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?
Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't
already know,
huh?
Nevyn says:
hah
Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die
Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much
Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now
Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?
Nevyn says:
pfftt
Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training
Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual
Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!
Jerry says:
hhahahahaha
Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING
you're
wanting them to do?
Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.
Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and
LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???
Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Nevyn says:
LOL
Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!
Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune
=====================
Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL
Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!
Nevyn says:
lol
Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.
Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------
From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior
View this article only
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST
Hello
I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull
(behavioural) x Pug (don't laugh!).
They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and
they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is
obviously dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem
with that, however;
Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good
whilst I'm walking them, some days they are not. They are 3
years old and have only been walking for about 12 months because
my mom didn't walk them and now I'm home so I
walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take
them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.
This is my problem :
The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we
walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap
when she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn't,
using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff
in her mouth when she barks.
She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]
Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the
other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the
other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking
one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash...
it is
quite disturbing to the people walking past.
And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores
them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday.
The less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person
brings there dog to the park.
How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the
methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon.
Is it just a pack-behaviour thing?
It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs
attack some old lady's or little girl's dog.
They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other
dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying
around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up trying
to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went
straight to bed when I bought them home!).
Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails
address, ali...@wasp.net.au coz this list is
tooo crowded.
Thanks,
Nevyn
The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who
isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds,
especially on a long term basis, and it's
not pretty. You become another person, if
it's not the correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."
--MaryBeth
"I noticed that antidepressants cut
libido into the dead zone and I had no
real emotions, like not laughing at funny
stuff, couldn't cry either.....except
about my
suicidal
thoughts (but at the time I thought there
was
no
other way out)."
--MaryBeth
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re:
zoloft
(50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid.
They reported none. Not sure about the
prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to
intorduce myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself>
<G>
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
lost many many treasured ppl and things.
Please don't do the same.
(((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the
TKR, as 'it really wasn't that
bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so
bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
gone thru"
--MaryBeth
The Puppy Wizard
"Child" <be...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Despina" <Moonlit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:20ab140d.04042...@posting.google.com...
>
> > We have a male Chesapeake Bay Retriever mix
>
> Yes! You have a chessie!
INDEED.
> They can be headstrong and disobedient
> under the best of circumstances.
You mean when you jerk and choke
and shock and spray aversives in
their eyes.
> I love them for that.
You're a dog abuser and a liar and a mental case.
> > We'll scold him when he acts like that
> > towards other dogs,
And that's HOWE COME he's afraid.
> > but he ignores everything.
INDEED. Cause he's too afraid to listen to you.
> I bet you jack
You mean lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson
aka joey finochiario aka jack morrison, liar dog
abuser mysognist homophobe mental case.
> or paulette
You mean "TOO MANY NO KILL SHELTER" kind2dogs nolan.
> will have some better advice than i do about "scolding" -
Right. Your pal "jack" would HANG and BEAT the dog.
paulette would say that's what jack knows HOWE to
do best.
> my friend has 9 chessies whom I have dog sat.
Did you spray BINACA in their eyes like you
did your own dog when you couldn't control
the environment to make it MOORE FUN?
> they don't care if they get yelled at either.
Right. You're a MENTAL CASE:
"BethF" <be...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
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> Kyle,
> FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny, and i often
> call my little dog the turd, because he is one.
>
>Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i would insult
> my dog like that so i guess its just a matter of
> personality.
>
> Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is
> to step on him once.
>
> Seriously.
> They do work for food though.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
> Perhaps you can distract old-grouchy-dog
> with food so that he ignores other dogs.
If that worked you wouldn'ta sprayed BINACA in
your dog's eyes.
> I have a keeshond.
You're a dog abuser a liar and a mental case.
> All the chessies hate him, except for one female.
That's cause you're a mental case.
> I think its his bark. It irritates them.
INDEED. Your dog barks cause you've made him MENTAL.
> > I heard this is because it makes dogs feel
> > secure and tough; it lets them be top dog
> > and bully them around. I assume that some
> > dogs will take it, and some dogs will try to
> > snarl and bark back. Is this why he does it?
>
> My instinct is
Your INSTINCT is to HURT dogs and LIE abHOWET it.
> that some dogs irritate him and others don't.
That so?
> Chessies are dogs with strong likes and dislikes.
That so?
> I think he likes having his privates licked,
That's WON way to distract him. Ask professor
SCRUFF SHAKE if he thinks that'll work as
well as rubbing his tallywhacker with a moist
tHOWEL and aloe gel.
> actually <vbg> - the dog is female, and small,
> he might not consider her a threat to his chessie-hood.
That so?
> It sounds like you have a wonderful character
> of a dog - a complex fellow.
SHOWENDS like she's got an aggressive
dog who's gonna get in a lotta trHOWEBLE
fightin other dogs and you got no advice
EXXXCEPT to tell the OP to ask lyingdogDUMMY
HOWE TO HURT HER DOG.
> Do you think he might be distracted from
> other dogs with food?
"BethF" <be...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jack Morrison" <oldcr...@lycosthedetonator.com> wrote in
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> > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:07:39 -0500, "Jeff Harper"
> > <dummya...@doplay.com> wrote:
>
> > > First of all, shun any training books or trainers
> > > who advise leash corrections. They aren't necessary.
> > > They are unpleasant.
>
> > Malarkey. Leash corrections are entirely appropriate
> > (and not at all unpleasant), when you've taken the time
> > to LEARN how to make them correctly.
>
> > > They often cause spinal injuries (Swedish study
> > > showed very high correlation).
>
> > More malarkey. They don't cause injury when
> > they're done correctly. Again, what causes the
> > vast majority of spinal/neck injuries are the
> > dog owners who allow their dogs to constantly
> > PULL on their leashes (sometimes for years on
> > end), instead of TRAINING them not to, which
> > is what I see an awful lot of lately (especially when
> > used with buckled collars), and is the result of many
> > misguided owners thinking that leash corrections
> > (and certain collars), in and of themselves,
> > are dangerous.
>
> I am about to agree with both of you
INDEED.
That's on account of you're a idiot a liar and a
dog abuser, Binaca bethFIST.
> <vbg>
I'll wipe that stupid grin off your ugly fat mug.
> I think a properly done pop of the leash doesn't hurt,
You don't think, Binaca bethFIST. Otherwise, you'd
be able to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy
dog without hurting IT.
> injure or otherwise damage a dog.
You got to have a broke or dead dog to prove that.
> Its just a signal to the dog to pay attention or that they
> are doing the wrong thing - kind of like a reverse clicker
> marker.
Yeah. Kinda like UNTRAINING.
> It indicates the wrong behavior.
Yeah.
> However, I will admit it took me a great deal of time to
> learn to do it properly.
INDEED. Now you're a EXXXPERT dog abusing
lying Thug Coward.
> And so many novices do it wrong.
Some folks just don't know HOWE to jerk and choke a
dog, Binaca bethFIST. HOWE COME you sprayed
Binaca in your dog's eyes to control his anxiety
barking in dog training class, Binaca bethFIST?
> And doing it wrong could hurt or injure the dog.
That so? HOWE COME you can't train your dog
to come, Binaca bethFIST? HOWE COME you
couldn't make the environment in class FUN?
" Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most
of the dogs I have in classes just aren't that interested
in praise."
Right. They PREFER PAIN.
Subject: Unable To Control The Environment To Make It FUN!!!
HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
"BethF" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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> > Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
> > girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.
Suppose one of them loses an eye?
Would that matter to you? It IS only NATURAL. Ain't it? I mean,
nobody can prevent an eye getting knocked out when we
encourage our dogs to fight to train dogs to be NICE.
Would that be BAD LUCK, or bad training, Binaca bethFIST?
Try spraying a shot of Binaca in his eyes. That always works
for you, don't it Binaca bethFIST?
Don't go away just yet, I want to go over a couple things with
you just so's were CLEAR about where we're at and where
we're goin with all this...
That's about the stupidest thing I can think of. HOWEver, I
KNOW you can think of a myriad of things STUPIDER to do
to a dog and try to justify it as being training.
Sure it might work, but it's not appropriate under any
circumstances. You could teach them to attack other
dogs on sight, no PUN intended.
> This sounds like it might help Simon get a clue.
I think if I saw you doin that, I'd have you arrested and
prosecuted for animal abuse, Binaca bethFIST.
Perhaps your posts here would be enough for prosecution?
I'll have to look into that.
"BethF" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flma...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> > dfrnt...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
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> > > >"brianev" bri...@attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your Wits' End book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
>
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to
> > > their dogs are lies. All of it. Every last bit.
>
> > All of it? Ear pinching? Shock collars? Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
>
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, let
> alone respond to them.
Tell us about Binaca bethf's advanced temperament
and behavior modification using the Binaca Eye Spray
Technique???
"Beth F" <da...@spamthis.alaska.com> wrote in message
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> Whoops, sorry for the blank post - DOH
It wasn't as funny as this post but the content was
better in the blank post... better than waltzin us by
our willies someMOORE.
> In any case, I wasn't specifically addressing your
> statements,
Well, Duh-Oh! So what's nu?
> really,
REALLY???
You never do. You've usually got the same problems the
posters write in with and you give em the same advice that
got you there.
> I just have a whole bunch of friends
SHAAAZZZAAAAMMM!
> who get way too hung up with winning
DAMN!!! You got me twice in a row, believing you. I thought
you was saying you had lots of friends cause you BULL$#!T
them like you're doin right here right now... BINACA bethf.
> and forget that its supposed to be fun.
Dogs are built for FUN. Dogs LOVE being HAPPY!!!
And I make dogs very very very HAPPY!!! cause that's
my job. Basically I'm a nasty mean spirited old crow
who hates dogs and doesn't even touch them so to
be really really really CRUEL, I figger out HOWE to
get them to do everything we ask and THEN - make
them do stuff.
> Samoyeds aren't exactly Mighty,
Size don't count Binaca bethf. Brains counts. Size
is relative and irrelevant. I handle a giant breed dog
EXACTLY as a toy breed.
They're both equally delicate. The amount of force on
a Chi's throat when he hits the end of a chain is going
to feel the same to him as it would feel do a Dane doin
the same exercise. Just cause YOU don't experience
any discomfort with the Chi, you can disregard the dog
and ignore it or force it.
Like diddler did to her sick dog for three nites with the
barking and whining. Same treatment you'd have given
except she didn't have any BINACA.
You wouldn't get away with handling the giant breed
dogs who've come to me because they hammered
their traditional force trainers.
> but they are rather confident....but silly.
All depends on what you're seein, if it's really what it
is. That's HOWE COME you "experts" got to SEE
behaviors. Well, you wouldn't be able to SEE the
difference between a happy sort of excitement Vs
an anxiety sort of behavior as we've discussed
caused by anticipation of the pronged spiked pinch
choke or shock collar.
> So I expect silly embarrassment
You got it. It's no accident. You don't have the intellect
to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.
> and quite frankly,
Sorry, my experience with you is that while you are
frank, you are also Binaca bethf cause you sprayed
it in your dogs eyes for barking and whining.
> I enjoy it.
Evidently, just goin by your own words, Binaca bethf.
> If my dog was frightened and upset by something in the ring,
HOWE about in class? Same same in my book.
> I would be absolutely upset by that,
No $#!T!!!
> because i was unable to control the environment
> enough to make it fun.
So you SPRAYED BINACA IN HIS EYES, Binaca bethf
because he was barking in your dog class on leash
with you...and here you're sayin exactly OPPOSITE
cause you're not a lying dog abusing Thug...
YOU'RE INSANE!!!
Adios. j;~(
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> or a lovely bone?
INDEED. Done. <}TPW;- } >
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Leah
>Best bet for the OP: Just let the dog live out his remaining years in
>peace and quiet by MANAGING the situation.
Strongly agree.
Canine Action Dog Trainer
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Child
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <me1...@privacy.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:06:15 -0800, "Child"
> <be...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
>
> []
> >> Our dog is very disobediant and headstrong, but since he's so old and
> >> we haven't raised him from the start, nor did his former owners give
> >> him any training (apparently), there doesn't seem to be much we can do
> >> about it.
> >
> >Yes! You have a chessie! They can be headstrong and disobedient under
the
> >best of circumstances. I love them for that.
>
I didn't realize Chessies noticed when you scold them! Or rather the nine
that i know, completely ignore their mommy when she tries to scold them.
> >I bet you jack or paulette will have some better advice than i do about
> >"scolding" -
>
> Scolding is the surest method I know of getting a CBR to give you "The
> Finger."
I bet you though, there are LOTS of ways to get a chessie to give you what I
call "The Paw"
> >my friend has 9 chessies whom I have dog sat. they don't care
> >if they get yelled at either. They do work for food though. Perhaps you
> >can distract old-grouchy-dog with food so that he ignores other dogs.
>
> At this dog's advanced age, I recommend that the OP just MANAGE the
> situation and try to AVOID (as much as possible) other dogs, etc.
>
> Many CBRs are very dog-aggressive and/or territorial. And the OP
> doesn't sound like she's very knowledgeable about training in general
> or about CBRs in particular, so she'll probably just make matters
> worse if she tries to do too much at this late date.
>
> Best bet for the OP: Just let the dog live out his remaining years in
> peace and quiet by MANAGING the situation.
I agree, actually. she should enjoy his chessie nature and let him be the
stubborn headstrong fellow he is.
The Puppy Wizard
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog withHOWET
HURTING and INTIMIDATING them.
Suppose the dog gets in a fight and loses an eye?
BINACA bethFIST recommends lettin another dog
beat up the trHOWEBLE maker to train it like HOWE
they allHOWE their kats to train their dogs.
You bums can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
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