Lunar Landscape
diddy
burying poop in her digging holes when I found her head and shoulders
deep digging out the contents of the doggy dooly.
Her digging efforts inside are limited harmlessly to the bath tub. I
have no bath tub ring.. just muddy paws.
Any clues WHY she's doing this? It's not that I mind so much, I just am
baffled why.
Jerry Howe
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
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> I have an 11 month old puppy that puts our plow to shame.
You've got a childish mind that puts your parents to shame.
> I gave up on burying poop in her digging holes when I found her head
and shoulders
> deep digging out the contents of the doggy dooly.
BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Imbecile.
> Her digging efforts inside are limited harmlessly to the bath tub. I
> have no bath tub ring.. just muddy paws.
You're LUCKY.
> Any clues WHY she's doing this?
Yeah. Excessive digging is an anxiety relief mechanism...
> It's not that I mind so much, I just am baffled why.
Oh. That's EZ. She digs because your "training methods" and your
"corrections" and confinement, make her anxious, so she digs to blow off
steam.
Here's our university freaks telling us there's no way to train a dog
NOT to dig. But my students will quickly tell you the universities and
the "experts" are DEAD WRONG, and Jerry is right.
Hello People,
My intent is not to harm anyone, other than to discredit and put them
out of this business of course. But in my opinion, to edit these
discussions would diminish the severity and desperation in the state
of the art of dog training and behavior as we understand it today...
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> (This is the only article in this thread)
> Date: 1999/02/08
> This is a repost of an earlier submission posted under the
> title: "Re: Human-training books?" I thought the new title
> might attract some new readers to this thread.
> Best wishes,
> Marshall
> In article <36BE3E30...@earthlink.net>
rhur...@earthlink.net
> writes:
> > Marshall, what do you want to train your dog to do/not do?
> > It's up to you, within the constraints of the dog breed. Dobies
> > don't like to swim, and Labradors do.
> Sure, there are differences between breeds.
Yes. But that doesn't mean shoving a labradors head under water
you've filled into a hole he's dug will not be as effective as doing
that with a doberman or Mastiff, only the consequences might vary,
for the "expert" doing so. That's one reason why Jerry don't hurt
dogs to train them.
> > Once you've decided how you want your dog to behave (they are
> > animals and we are modern urban people), you have to consult
> > the experts who, over the years, have devoted their lives to the
> > behavior of our closest friends of the animal kingdom.
> Well, what if you want to train your dog to do something new?
> For example, suppose my dog will look left and look right on
> command. (Maxi almost has mastered this.)
> Suppose I wanted to make this more complex.
> Suppose I wanted Maxi to only look right or look left when I say
> "look right" or "look left," respectively, if my glasses are on;
> otherwise, Maxi should do the opposite of what I say if my
> glasses are off.
That's EZ professor.
> Perhaps some dog expert has trained similar behavior but then
> perhaps not.
I don't train tricks professor. I specialize in temperament and
behavior problems and protection. Closest I ever came to training
a trick dogs was to teach a nice smile to make folks believe the dog
was snarling on duty in front of the company safe. Took about an
hour, but all the other training was already done.
> Should I believe that the dog experts have trained everything?
I'm not interested in parlor tricks, professor. I'm interested in
working dogs and temperament and behavior problems.
> More interestingly, have the dog experts discovered all the basic
> relations between environmental events and behavior?
I wouldn't know, professor. The shade tree I grew up training dogs
under didn't have any special events, except that hurricane chewed
it up a bit, but it grew back, probably because I spoke to it
soothingly after that incident, wouldn't you think, professor?
What kind of environmental events make your
little dog masturbate on your couch pillows?
> Could the dog experts learn something from the pigeon experts?
I don't know from pegeons, professor, but my Doggy Do Right (And
Kitty Will Too) broke a rooster of excessive crowing. My customer
wrote about his neighbors rooster, and wanted to know if my machine
would quiet the noisy bird who crowed every 45 seconds from sunup
till about eleven a.m. Took my machine about three weeks to quiet
this birdie to crowing about once an hour, certainly a reasonable
amount of cock-a-doodle-doo to enjoy the beauty of the beast,
without the disturbance. Same thing goes for noisy and hand shy
parrots, professor.
What can you do to modify such behaviors without making
cachatorie, like those which my machine does for ME, professor?
> After all, the kind of complex discrimination I described for
> Maxi, above, is mastered by piegons.
Yes, you're strictly for the birds, professor (an American
expression).
> >These experts are experts.
The original poster is refering to our Gang Of Thugs and koehler...
> > They can show you how to get your Springer to come back,
They jerk, choke, and shock dogs to make them come.
> > they can show you how to get your German Shepherd Dog to
> > protect.
They switch them with riding crops and hickory sticks, and they
flank them, pulling the loose skin between the rib and rear leg. And
they muzzle them and slap their faces and pull their ears and tails.
And in the schutzhund ring, they hit them twice with bamboo rods
as part of their test.
> > They can show you how to get your Yorkshire Terrier to heel.
Maybe not without choking him on a pronged spiked pinch choke
collar.
> >They could probably show you how to get your APBT to raise a
> > rabbit.
NO, that BREED is not good with other animals... say our "experts."
> >They're experts,
That's what they say to justify hurting dogs to train them. Expert
dog trainers do NOT hurt dogs to train them, do they? j;~}
> > and all you have to do is read their advice.
INDEED. Ask Robert Crim. I'll post one of his commentaries below.
Ask that little dog in "interested in hearing" or the one that bit
the kid in the face a couple weeks ago, or Sampson.
> >It's not necessary to discover why dogs do things, AGAIN!
I for one don't really care why dogs do things, my job is to change
the things they do. Knowing what motivates the dog to do things is
academic. Getting the dog to do or not do things is the bottom line.
Why they do what they do is nice to know information, but has little
bearing on HOWE we train a dog to do things.
That's why our "experts" need to use pronged spiked pinch choke
and shock collars and beat them with sticks. HOWEver, the key
issue is, are we working with the natural instincts and drives of
the dog? Or are we working against Mother Nature, as we crate and
scold and jerk and choke and shock and beat dogs with sticks to
motivate them as amy dahl teaches, or pinch and twist their ears
and toes as cindymooreon teaches?
That's what our "experts" don't understand because their goals
are to make a dog do "X," using any "tools" necessary to force
their will on the dumb beast, whereas my goals are to make the
dog WANT to do anything I ASK, because his instinctive pack
drives compel him to do anything I ask, if I know HOWE to lead
and HOWE to ask, because that's HOWE a pack operates.
> I'm sure we can all learn much from the experts.
Yes professor. You're an expert, aren't you?
> But even within a breed not all dogs are the same. Not only do
> they not share the exact set of genes but even if raised in the
> same house they do not share the identical environment.
A dog is a dog, professor. Let's not complicate things beyond that.
Our "experts" point to differences in dogs to justify hurting them.
I train all kinds of dogs for all kinds of behaviors, and I train
them each exactly the same way. Big dogs, little dogs, shy dogs,
aggressive dog, all the same to me. Scientific training methods do
not change according to the individual, do they, professor. The
scientific method requires exact duplication of the scientific
techniques, isn't that correct, professor?
> So, dogs may do things that are initially quite puzzling and
> often call for a careful environmental/behavioral analysis.
As a human thinker, you're probably not capable of understanding
what another individual of your own species who is not speaking
and has not signed a sworn affidavit under observation, knows,
thinks, or feels about anything. Isn't that correct, professor.
> I have stressed understanding such relations in my posts and I
> think any expert would have to do the same.
You've ridiculed my regard for RELATIONSHIP, professor. I'll post
that one next, to cheer you up.
To me, I think I understand quite a bit, but to my students, they
don't want to know why their dog pees on the floor, they just want
to know HOWE to stop it.
> The importance of studying environment/behavior relations, is not
> my personal view.
That's a very good point, professor. You've never had a thought of
your own, have you professor. That's part of being a good student,
studying other people's work. You rely on other professors works
to guide your thinking instead of your own work.
> Perhaps, if you have time you might want to review _Clinical
> Behavioral Medicine for Small Animals_ published by Mosby
> Press,1997 which was written by Karen L. Overall, MA, VMD, PhD,
> Diplomate, American College of Veternary Behavior.
Not particularly, professor. Our esteemed Thug melanie chung
trained her dog Solo unsuccessfully for the past year or so with Dr.
Overall. That's the same work that our melanie chung has used
unsuccessfully on her dog Solo, who has been on behavior
medication after nearly a half year in training.
melanie repeatedly refused to discuss the dominance training
techniques she was taught to use against fearful Solo. But the
good news is melanie has recently begun advanced training in
sheep herding, where melanie allowed her man shy fear
aggressive dog Solo be struck in the face with a shepards crook.
And your pal blackman does likewise with her dog, so that's the
state of the art in sheep dog and temperament training in the USA.
> I hope Dr.Overall, who holds a professorship in the Department of
> Clincal Studies of the School of Veterinary Medicine at the
> University of Pennsylvania, is expert enough for you.
Probably is for them but not for me, professor. A sheepskin on the
wall only means to me, another sheep died.
> As I recall there was a post about a dog who dug "too much."
No doubt, hundreds of them. By the way, my machine cures
excessive digging too, professor. But I'll have to admit, the
methods
in my manual work faster to cure that behavior problem, and can be
moore easily directed at specific locations.
> On pages 263-265, Overall discusses digging.
It'll take longer to read her papers on it than to address and
extinguish the behavior using my methods, professor. It's no
different than eatin poo, professor. Or jumping fences. Or anything
else, professor.
> She notes five causes of digging: to mark/scrape an elimination
> area, to bury somthing, to uncover something, to thermoregulate,
> to play with something that plays back e.g., soil, roots, stones.
Amazing, truly amazing.
> She then discusses each cause of digging in detail. Here is what
> she wrote about play:
> "Dogs that dig as a form of self-play, quickly learn that roots
> and soil play back. This is a formula for gardening disaster.
No problem. My methods will break that behavior in just a few
minutes over a couple of days.
> The only remedy for this involves constant supervision so that
> the client can stop the dog as the digging begins,
Not so, professor. My methods address any behavior problem, even
long after the fact.
> and active play should be increased.
"Experts" who rely on excessive exercise to control behavior
problems do so because they don't know HOWE to train a dog. Dogs
who become habituated to excessive exercise to control their
behaviors suddenly go out of control when their exercise routine is
interrupted due to health or weather. Their owners find out the hard
way, that their dog has an exercise gorilla on his back (an analogy
to
withdrawal of addiction to opiates).
> When dogs amuse themselves like this, they are not
> communicating that they would like to be penned in a cement and
> chain-link fence kennel; rather, they are communicating that they
> can stimulate themselves but need areobic play with people or
> objects that play back. Clients need to be helped to meet these
> pets' needs. More confinement will not suffice.
Actually, neither is necessary if you are handling and training the
dog properly. Out of control activity like playing only serves to
encourage moore out of control behaviors, not encourage
calming behavior or teach self control.
> There is a learning component for any behavior, including digging.
No for me. If it's inappropriate digging, we extinguish it. If it's
thermalwhatchamacallits, if he's got his favorite spot, he'll
probably not dig elsewhere unless seasonal changes require
a move, but we can change or eliminate it if we desire. If it's
play, we can direct the play to an appropriate area or extinguish
it, the choice is yours, the dog will do as we want, because that's
the nature of the beast, isn't it professor?
> It is possible that the longer any digging in any of the above
> categories continues, the worse it will become.
Well, that kinda goes without saying. But that does not suggest we
can't extinguish the behavior just because it's been ingrained, if
you know HOWE.
> The dog learns, and the behavior will become self-reinforcing.
That's why we got experts like me, who deal with those things for a
living, and we got professors who talk like they knew something
about it, for a living.
> The occasional dog digs constantly in the absence of any of the
> above correlates.
Amazing, truly amazing, professor.
> This digging is qualitatively and quantitatively different from
> the above descriptions.
Correct. It may take an experienced eye to distinguish the
difference, or a really good cross examination of the third party
observer, to understand why the dog digs, professor. But in
the big scheme of things, my methods address all of the
contributary factors for ALL temperament and behavior and
training problems, professor, it really isn't relevant in my book.
> These dogs require few or no stimuli and dig in a focused,
> invariant pattern.
That's got no bearing on my interests in, or methods for, stopping
the behavior for my students.
> As with most management-related behaviors, this form of digging
> may be a form of an anxiety or OCD.
MANAGEMENT RELATED? HEEL NO! I see digging usually as an
anxiety relief mechanism. That's why my machine cures those
behavior problems, professor. The methods in my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method do that too professor, and probably a little
faster than my machine can.
> It usually does not respond to the above "quick" management
> solutions,
Gee. I must have missed that part, professor. I'll go back and look.
I didn't notice any solutions, quick or otherwise. Wait here, I'll
be right
back...
NOPE. Well, we got play, and play policeman, and confinement.
That's training, professor? She calls digging a MANAGEMENT
problem, professor. I see excessive or inappropriate digging as an
ANXIETY RELATED temperament problem, professor.
That's why the methods in my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
work so well on this kind of behavior, because my methods calm
dogs and exercises their thinking. But you want biopsy proof of
that,
professor.
> although they should be implemented, but can respond to
> behavioral and pharmalogical treatment for anxiety or OCD.
Well, the pharmaceutical route is rather ineffective, about 15%
success when used in conjunction with behavior modification. That's
according to the pharmacutical companies and the behavior
modification techniques our "experts" use. I got no use for most of
the traditional methods, professor, because my students and their
dogs' lives depend on proficiency and respect, not spelling,
punctuation, and grammar, or fear, force, and confrontation.
> Please ignore any advice about filling a hole that the dog has
> dug with water and then submerging the dog's head in the water
> (Koehler, 1962). Such advice is barbaric, inhumane, potentially
> injurious to both client and dog, and wrong."
Yes, but it's recommended on cindymooreons faqs page at k9web.
Right there quotin koehler again. Isn't that correct, professor?
> >It's not necessary to re-invent the wheel.
The wheel is broke.
> I really don't know why you label my posts as "re-inventing the
> wheel."
Because you're full of hot air, professor.
> If you think that Dogman and Koeheler have invented the wheel,
> then you can "get on their wagon." I'd rather apply the
> behaviorism of B.F. Skinner as outlined, for example, in:
Does he teach you HOWE to stop the dog from digging?
> B.F. Skinner (1951). "How to teach animals." Scientific
> American
> 185 (12): 26-29.
Well professor, you should be able to answer all of our dog behavior
and training questions, don't you think?
> which emphasizes positive reinforcement.
Yes, but you someHOWE extrapolate that to include a modest but
tragic amount of negative reinforcement, if that means punishment
today, in your language. In my language, we don't have any negative
interaction whatsoever, professor, as that tends to cause or
complicate health and behavior problems, like self abuse on your
couch pillows professor, excessive barking, compulsive chewing,
digging, whining, pacing, self mutilation, aggression, intestinal
and digestive disorders, and seizure activity.
> --Marshall
> Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University
> of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/
der...@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
Here's MORE STUPIDITY from our lying doc ''professor'' dermer:
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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> Yep! Of course, the truth of the advice is not
> whether I or others agree, but whether the advice
> works! :-)
You mean like the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com ?
Interesting HOWE you deleted Marilyn from your list
of posters you've learned from. She's about the best
trainer I've spoken to. She trains probably one thousand
dogs a year. The way she teaches the come command is
impeccable.
Wise move killfiling her information...
Yes, you've led some of the arguments defending
force, punishment, hurting dogs, and deriding non
force methods. You criticize my methods without
reading any further than my condemnation of the
universities for the sorry state of the art of
behaviorism as it exists today in dog training.
You've recently endorsed the koehler method. In
order to endorse the koehler method, you must be
prepared to hang dogs who object to the
incrementally increasing force, violence, and
intimidation. Koehler justifies hurting dogs for
willfully disobeying commands as a direct affront to
the trainers AUTHORITY.
Isn't aggression a predictable response to jerking and
choking and shocking and twisting and pinching
ears, toes, and testicles, and beating dogs with sticks
to MOTIVATE THEM?
Don'cha thaink?
> Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil
> and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom
> I have learned much.
This is going to hurt a little bit, doc. Brace yourself.
It'll be all over in about two minutes. Just relax.
> They include: Amy Dahl,
Oh yes, we were just mentioning some of her methods,
weren't we...
She likes to beat Retriever dogs with sticks to
motivate dogs to WANT to retrieve. She pinches ears,
not twists them. NO mention of twisting of toes or
testicles, and she shocks and chin cuffs, NOT SLAPS,
retriever dogs, to teach them to retrieve...
NICE stuff, huh?
> Diane Blackman,
Yes, diane... She's as confused and deceitful as they
come. She knits cover-ups for pronged choke collars
so she can train dogs illegally on akc showgrounds,
and so that people won't SEE the prongs and think
the less of her... She twists words better than you
can, BECAUSE SHE HASN'T GOT BAGGED FOR
LYING, LIKE YOU DID.
She's got a dog who's been a chronic puller for five
years, and she day boards her dogs because she can't
trust them at home alone. Her links page has lots of
lousy advice, but diane won't edit the lousy ones that
teach HURTING dogs, because she says she doesn't
know enough about training to discern good from
bad information... Whaddaya thaink of that?
And now she's allowing a "sheep dog trainer" to whack
her UNTRAINED dog in the face for attacking sheep she's
allowing him to molest under the disguise of training.
> Janet Boss,
Jerks dogs around on pronged collars to make them friendly.
She's as incompetent a creature as G-D could
possibly create. I'll be throwing THAT in HIS face
when I get there... She has no business telling people
to kill their dogs because their only option is
to jerk the dog around and keep him confined for the
rest of his life. See the thread ''interested in hearing''
and you'll see for yourself HOWE you bums
mishandle and kill dogs because you don't have any
IDEAS and can't outwit a puppydog...
> Susan Fraser,
susan twists and pinches ears and toes and shocks
and chokes dogs on pronged choke collars. But she
doesn't hurt them.
> Avrama Gingold,
Our Professora... She tells us "chin cuff definitely does
not mean slap the dog."
She got her damned teeth knocked down her throat when
her dog finally figured out HOWE to hurt her back, and make
it look like anaccident. That'scalled allelomimetic behavior.
avrama had a habit of jerking him to make him heel
or come, but always made it look like the dog did it to
himself.
Dogs are smart.
Don't take my word for it, that's in the Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual.
> Lynn Kosmakos,
Our pathological liar? She jerks and chokes and
hangs dogs according to the koehler method. She
justifies force because there are so many dogs to
HELP and such little time to HELP them all, at the
shelter she kills dogs at. Her own selectively bred,
hand picked and tested dog failed her training for SAR.
And she told a new foster care giver to leave a long line on
their new foster care dog in his crate so they can jerk and
choke IT to make him feel safe and secure in his new home.
> Bob Maida,
What advice? "Don't let him do that?" Killfiles is all
he writes about. He can't talk dog training because
he is a violent dog trainer. If he opens his yap, I shove his
foot in it for him and hammer on top of his head till he's
craping toenails... He's no dog trainer.
He said he recommends cindymoron's Website to his
''students'' and they tell him HOWE much they've
benefited from it... cindymron's site has instructions
for sticking your fingers down puppies throats to
choke them out of mouthing, kneeing the dog in the
chest, shocking, throwing the dog down by his ears
and climbing on him like a wild animal, pinching and
twisting ears, choking, jerking, and sticking dog's
heads under water you've filled into a hole he's dug
to break dogs of digging.
I guess boob's student's only learned the jerking and
choking from him...
Your pal boob had been begging his ''teacher'' cap'n
faggotty to debate me here, and smarten me up. He
sent his little girl to write me a threatening letter
saying she'd sue me if I told the truth here...
Then, your pal boob suggested there would be a
motorcycle gang paying me a little visit... Do you ride,
lyindoc? I may be able to get you a good deal on some
dead bikers machines.
Then your pal boob told me on the phone he'd endorse my
methods if I'd just lay off you bums. "I'm only trying to make a
living" he said to me. I told him if he posted excellent advice
above criticism, he'd get no criticism from me.
That's when he started telling people I'm a wanted child molestor,
PROFESSOR.
> Cindy Tittle Moore,
A true sadist. She gets pleasure for dominating and
hurting dogs. Read her forced fetch page, that will show you
HOWE excited she gets just at the thought of hurting dogs.
Did you see my STAY-OUT-OF-JAIL CHALLENGE to cindymoron?
Here's the deal... We get her to force fetch train three
dogs in front of a childs playground, and I'll train
three protection dogs in the same site, and we'll see
who the children are disturbed by, and who the
parents are going to call the cops on... And then I'll
show up as expert witness for the prosecution, and
we'll demonstrate her forced fetch in front of a
criminal judge and jury... HOWE'S that for a FAIR
TEST???
And now cindy has passed her shock collar training with freaky
frantik fraudreck. That means she's qualified to accept my dual
shock collar challenge, professor. Woudn't that be refreshing,
to finally prove humane shock collar training? Let's see HOWE
fast she demonstrates her mastery of the gentle, medical grade
static like stimulation.
> Denna Pace,
Says she sees a lot of value in koehler... She's got PLENTY
of problems with her own dogs running away and being
disobedient.
> John Richardson,
He only hurts dogs to save them from the needle.
He's as abusive and immature as they come. He's a
clone of dogman. The dogs he can't hurt into being
friendly, he KILLS in the shelter he HELPS in. Unlike
yourself, he's too stupid to be evil. He's just doing
what koehler taught him.
> Ludwig Smith,
Another koehler trainer. He's too cowardly to come
out and say what he believes. He throws around lots
of non advice, and then tells us we can get more help
in koehler's books. He's got a link to cindymoron's
page on his sig file...
> and Terri Willis.
The psycho clown. She wants to hurt dogs because
she is compensating for her inferiority complex. She WANTS
TO HURT DOGS. Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating
dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
NEXT POST, we'll talk about YOU, lyindoc dermer.
Let's figure out why your dog masturbates on the couch pillows.
Could it be just a result of punishing his behaviors, or is
it REALLY allelomimetic behavior? Bye!
> Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University
of
> Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
You can get all the information you need to properly handle
and train your dog using non force, non confrontational,
scientific and psychological behavior modification and
conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual available for free at
http://www.doggydoright.com
"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Fax: (208)460-4270
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
http://www.doggydoright.com
BIOS...@aol.com
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems
are learned qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the
learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers,
once challenged, develop and continue to grow to
make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition,
constant corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
Beth F
breed is she? Would she be interested in agility? sledding and carting?
obedience?
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
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Rocky
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> What
> breed is she?
Are you kidding? ;)
It's a Norwegian Elkhound, 'natch.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Kelly
HOW many people have you put out of business in the last 3 years???
BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
"Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Jerry Howe
"Kelly" <kel...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Jerry,
>
> HOW many people have you put out of business in the last 3 years???
>
> BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
For starters, HOWE about you? You got NO information about dogs,
behavior, or training... Do you? NOPE.
HOWE to survive a dog "trainer" attack? Start readin:
Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
Here's a couple words from my students.
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the
> literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make
> the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by
> taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup
> got scared and just wanted to stay away from me.
> That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training
> manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
> The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make yourself
> the center of your puppy's world -- his personal Lord Jesus. Never
> give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
> out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
> This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything I want
> her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent,
> and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship
> with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
> Charlie
misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs,
> two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back
> in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn't
> come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog.
> She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces
> her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the
> road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
> when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence
> and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
> train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my
> dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
2tails (waggi...@hotmail.com)
After using Jerry's training manual, I became curious about the Doggy Do
Right (DDR) machine, and a few weeks ago I received one.
I thought the group might be interested in some things I've noticed
since using it. (This is a bit of an understatement as I certainly
expect a flurry of responses... most of them will probably be nasty.
But we'll see.)
Anyway, at first I would leave it on only when I left the house, but one
day I forgot and left it on all night. My dogs used to wake me up
between 8 and 8:30 a.m. The morning after I left it on all night, they
slept until 9:30 a.m. At first I wondered why they had slept in so
late, and then I noticed that the DDR was on.
(And no, I'm not an early riser.) :-)
Now they consistently sleep until 9:30 or 10:00 a.m., unless I wake them
up earlier. One night the power went out, and the DDR was switched
off. They woke me around 8:30 that day.
The second thing was something my husband noticed. If the light on the
DDR is flashing, it is in "rest" mode... when it's solid, it is playing
the program. He came home, the dogs were doing their usual growl and
"bitey face" rowdiness... when the machine's light became solid (program
on), they laid down in the same room with the machine. Pepper even laid
on her side and started taking a little nap.
Often, I will see the dogs in the room with the DDR when the program is
playing, usually around their nap time. That is, they will nap in the
same room as the machine and not in other areas of the house... even
though their "preferred" sleeping spot at other times seems to be my
bed.
The last two things I've noticed have been with my 7 yr old Dalmatian,
Beau. He is normally terrified of thunderstorms, so much that he will
try to crawl into my lap, or he will shake and shed hair everywhere.
(Shedding hair is a symptom of stress I suppose... he does the same
thing at the vet's.) On Sunday, we had a really severe thunderstorm,
with hail, etc. When the storm began, I turned the machine to play
mode. He laid on the floor next to where I was sitting. He still
didn't want to let me get out of his sight, but his behavior was much
improved from earlier episodes.
The last thing has to do with Beau and the vacuum cleaner. The surest
way for me to clear him out of a room used to be for me to start
vacuuming. He'd race into another room and hide. Now, he will stay in
the same room. He's still wary of it, and leaves his "escape route"
open, but he will stay in the same room while I'm using it, something
he's never done before.
I've done no training to address these issues, but since using the DDR
for approximately three weeks, these are some of the calmer behaviors
that I've noticed.
As I said, I'm sure this will create a storm. May I say in advance,
that only polite posts will be considered for a response by me.
Regards,
Lisa
Hi Jerry,
Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks)
now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the
lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer
with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but
much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name
as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down
that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send
an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space
Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same
problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of
nightly cat fights.
Thanks, Elaine
Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and
time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this
email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from
AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of
animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.).
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I
am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as
did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark's of this
world, with some occasional successes. I guess that's variable
reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9,
2000
"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.
I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.
She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.
It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.
I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine,
Apr 25, 05:59 PM
Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)
Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat
reports all is well. She has been running DDR for well
over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of
the other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living
in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day.
Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day
she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair
all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom
door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie.
Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but
JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came
into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came
into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her.
Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR
outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in
another week or so.
Thanks, Elaine.
"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a very
> loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8
> month old son.
> Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a hold on
> for dear life object.
> Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my oder two boys went
> through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his own room
> and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
> Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has been driving
> him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming. A
> cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the widows shut <g>
> being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves crawl.
> Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to use it.
> He answered my questions quite politely.
> I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~
> teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
> At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I realized
> afer a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end. This isn't
> to say he stopped completely <bg> he still demands his share of all
> meals. But he doesn't start sreaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone
> _ to go to bed.
> Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves were
> frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's instructions.
> I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and left it on
> the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit screaming.
> In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts come to my
> house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie. He's a yellow tiger
> named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids
> and Zelda.
> I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the
> methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like things that are
> free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail him and get advice
whenever
> I need it.
> Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the DDR is
> working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in electronics, knows
> alot about radios and anything mechanical... he's a jack of all trades
> around the house <g>). He does NDT for a living.
> We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is walking,
> Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal.. some kind of
> furless dog or c*t <bg>.
> So, yes, there are some of us out here who do appreciate Jerry's
> methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars". Honey, flies
> that sort of thing....
> ~misty
<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Rober Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
first?)
Hello People,
Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.
Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe
I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed
attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment
and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and
strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older
couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry
Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him
personally work with Chelsea.
His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After
Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture,
ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash.
She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long
story and I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it
to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us.
Marge Hoffman. (REWARD PAID BY DW.)
P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my DDR!
And here's one from me:
!CAUTION! Dog abusing lying Thugs. Enter at your own peril! You
are responsible for your own loss of credibility and damages to
careers and reputations resultant from being exposed and
discredited. Proceed at your own risk. This is a violence free zone.
Violators will be subject to prolonged emotional, social and
professional punishment and will be pursued to the gates of Heel
and kept within under guard of a Wits' End Trained Dog.
Jerry Howe
"Beth F" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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Jerry Howe
"Rocky" <ma...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
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> "Beth F" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in
> news:tvtu9vo...@corp.supernews.com:
> > What breed is she?
Oooooh! You're talking S-E-X?
> Are you kidding? ;)
Naaaah. Some people actually practice S-E-X without F-E-A-R.
> It's a Norwegian Elkhound, 'natch.
And you're a fruit cake....But you're CUTE!
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
The QUESTION WAS, digging. You got any TRAINING INFORMATION?
You want a suggestion?
Get the heel outta here you miserable little weasel...
Kelly
HOW many people have you put out of business in the last 3 years???
Can't answer the question???
BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!