Art & Science In Dog Training
The Puppy Wizard
The followin post coulda been written
by most any of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and
ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
But it wasn't.
It was written by HOWER EXXXPERT SAR
dog trainer and shelter / rescue dog lover,
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, the most
incomptent DHOWEBLE talkin deceitful
mental case we got postin here.
>From: Lynn K. (jav...@yahoo.com)
>Subject: Art & science in dog training
>Date: 2003-02-23 00:49:21 PST
>
> Like so many other things,
Like mental heelth care SAR an sheep dog hurtin?
> dog training is a mix of art & science.
That so?
Let's talk abHOWET your SAR dog JIVE
who gets high scores in the ring where he's
choked shocked and beaten daily yet knows
you can't HURT him on a real life SAR site
cause you don't know where the FIND is.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez it's a mix of
insanity lies fear brutality fragile defective egos
over compensatin for weak selfish minds and
inferiority comeplexes and HE PROVES IT by
QUOTING YOUR OWN WORDS which YOU
DENY. That's GOOD. That'll keep you HOWETA
criminal trHOWEBLE if you can prove you're MENTAL:
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
Is THAT your SCIENCE, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn?
> We all know people who will talk incessantly
> about the theory behind a Gentle Leader,
The GL is a pain fear force and intimidation
device just like your pronged spiked pinch
choke and shock collar and trainin stick.
> while mauling the poor dog at their side
> because they have hands that should never
> hold a leash.
EZ for you to say. What do you do if your
batteries run HOWET on your shock collar?
You BEAT the dog with a stick or jerk and
choke IT on your pronged spiked pinch choke
collar and pinch and twist his ears and toes.
> The obvious conclusion is
It's all in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives,
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. You're a proven
liar dog abuser coward and active long term
incurable mental case and you can't post here
abHOWETS noMOORE cause you hurt dogs
and lie abHOWET it.
> that you can't train a dog without some Art.
You mean, like lying?:
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ging...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think
a prong works better than a choke with less chance
of injury to the dog in this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion
to cats, but should be used under the direction
of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner
in their proper use.
Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or
citronella collars. At that time the owner will train
with electronics instead of food or whatever other
reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the
dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.
I think a prong works better than a choke with less
chance of injury to the dog in this situation.
Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most
of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk
through the room and up to the dog if it wishes
(this is why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
BWWWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Lynn K. wrote:
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
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And then DENIES it.
> But can you train a dog without understanding
> the science part, at some gut level?
Like this?:
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
news:<04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
> >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> >> quotes are true. In the posts below you
> >> take responsibility for making those calls.
>
> >> In your post above, you state you do not
> >> make those calls.
>
> >> Which one is it?
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> I'm not talking about the vocabulary.
That so? You ain't talkin NUTHIN here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause you're a dog abusing lying mental
case and The Amazing Puppy Wizard will expose
discredit and embarrass you every time you post.
Same goes for your PALS who used to post here.
>I know plenty of great dog handlers who would
>think "extinction burst" refers to exploding
>dinosaurs, but can tell you exactly what to
>expect and why when you first try to get a dog to
>extinguish an unwanted behavior.
BWEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
If you knew any "GREAT" dog handlers they
wouldn't have nuthin to do with you cause
you're a blowhard and a dog abuser an a liar
and a mental case.
You've been discovered lying abHOWET EVERY
THING you've ever said. The ONLY thing you've
said you ain't DENIED is your twenty years of
unsuccessful mental health care and addiction
to anti psychotic medications.
> They know the science, just not the terminology.
BWEEEEAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
YOUR CASE HISTORY IS IN The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Archives on Google. You're
a proven liar dog abuser coward and mental
case and The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez
you can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
> I'm asking whether it's possible for someone
> to train a dog to something beyond a basic level
LIKE SAR WORK? Your dog JIVE is SELECTIVELY
BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED from C-HOWENTLESS
generations of SAR CHUMPion stock.
YOU RUINED HIM by HURTIN him.
HOWE did he "RETIRE" from SAR work if he
NEVER WORKED SAR cause he knows you
can't hurt him on a real life SAR site?
> without knowing how the dog is going to respond
Dogs only respond in PREDICTABLE normal natural
innate instinctive reflexive ways to situations and
circumstances of their environments which we create
for them.
Like when you jerk and choke new foster care dogs
on your pronged spiked pinch choke collar to make
them feel comfey in their new crates in a new HOWES.
You're a coward and a dog abuser and a mental case.
> and what it means to the dog.
Means you're a dangerHOWES MENTAL CASE.
> (My opinions on this are still unformed.)
HURTIN dogs to train them ain't a matter of
OPINION it's a matter of CRIMINAL INSANITY.
>Lynn K.
Lying abHOWET it PROVES you're INSANE cause
it's ALL in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives.
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and
50 mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned.
But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that
every other reader of this group would be rightfully
outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in constructive
ways."
Lynn K.
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LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND
LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications
combined
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> But I think what Lois was referring to was the fact that
> Darlene actually stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work for her--so
> she was prone to major-league ups and downs and
> sudden enthusiasms..
"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her - she wouldn't
take them. I particularly remember a comment she
made about scarey side effects of Lithium.
Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I'm qualified to
say that the very low risk of any side effect is far less
frightening than the very real dangers of life without it."
Lynn K.
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LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com) Subject: Re: Where is
Darlene? Date: 1999/09/03
BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read
> "The Unquiet Mind"?
Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of watered down for the
mass market, if you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and decent research.
Thank God.
Lynn K.
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MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!!
CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on
TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
YOU DO THE MATH
"What's really terrific, is now days you can
say proudly, 'I take anti-depressives'"
-------------------------------------
From: Gary & lois Edwards (ga...@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Whereis Darlene? Date: 1999/09/02
BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics for
about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the t-
shirt to prove it. What's really terrific, is now days
you can say proudly, "I take anti-depressives".
Back when I started taking them it was seen as
something shameful. If you cut your leg off, and
were lying there with a bleeding stump, you'd
never let the word depressed, pass your lips, or
the doc's would say, "You're depressed, on
medication? Well, can't have any pain meds.....
you could become addicted."
The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt
who's father locked her in her room back in the
twenties because she was simple. A shame that
medication probably would have helped
her live a normal life.
No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."
Lois E.
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The Puppy Wizard
BEHAVIORS" WAS ONLY TO
IGNORE THEM TILL THEY GO AWAY... -
Let's Talk About SAR And The Term "RINGWIZE"
HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
Lynn K. wrote:
> Like so many other things, dog training is
> a mix of art & science.
You're full of crap. Dog trainin is PRECISE science,
according to The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual as PROVEN by The Puppy
Wizzzard's Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too)machine.
They both rely on the SAME SAME SAME SAME scientific
and psychological techniques.
> We all know people who will talk incessantly about
> the theory behind a Gentle Leader,
The GL is NOT gentle nor is it a leader, it's a vicious
neck twisting torture device designed by your NADOI pals
with the help of a veterinary behaviorist who HURTS, DRUGS,
and KILLS dogs for a living, as a LAST RESORT.
> while mauling the poor dog at their side because they
> have hands that should never hold a leash.
You mean instead of shocking them as you've done to your dog.
That's HOWE COME your sar dog Jive can't SAR.
> The obvious conclusion is that
You're a liar and dog abuser.
> you can't train a dog without some Art.
You're a blowhard.
> But can you train a dog without understanding the
> science part, at some gut level?
The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual trains ALL dogs nearly instantly.
> I'm not talking about the vocabulary.
You're a liar and dog abuser. You'll do and say ANYTHING
to defend your alleged right to hurt and kill dogs.
> I know plenty of great dog handlers
Your pals hurt and kill dogs like you do.
> who would think "extinction burst" refers to exploding
> dinosaurs,
The term "extinction burst" has never beeen used here or
by yourself PRYOR to The Puppy Wizzzard teaching here.
> but can tell you exactly what to expect and why
> when you first try to get a dog to extinguish an
> unwanted behavior.
That's curious. PRYOR to The Puppy Wizzzard, the term
EXTINCTION has NEVER been used on this forum, EXCEPT
AS AN EXCUSE TO ALLOW THE DOG TO CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE EXTREME
FRUSTRATION AND REINIFORCE
BAD BEHAVIOR IN THE FAR FETCHED HOPE OF OUTLASTING
THE UNWANTED BEHAVIOR BY IGNORING IT.
I.O.W., the CONCEPT OF "EXTINGUISHING BEHAVIORS"
WAS ONLY TO IGNORE THEM TILL THEY GO AWAY...
HARDLY AN EFFECTIVE, APPROPRIATE, HARMLESS
TRAINING METHOD:
From: Elizabeth B. Naime (els...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
Subject: Re: 3 Month old Puppy Problems?? LONG
"All the books say that "a behavior that is not reinforced or
rewarded will go away". It's generally true, BUT if something
has been rewarded in the past (like begging for food) the dog
will usually get worse before it starts to get better. I
think this is called an "extinction burst"? So when you
ignore her at table, she gets louder and more obnoxious. If
you can put up with it and just not respond at all, ever, it
will probably go away in time; but if you give in even just
once you have taught the dog that persistence pays off. So
you could do this (ignore it and it will go away) but it will
be a long hard road and you absolutely have to be consistent
about it or it'll get worse."
From: Elizabeth B. Naime (els...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
Subject: Re: bitch of a neighbour
Date: 1995/08/29
Ian,
Yep, big problem. *sigh* Fact is, your neighbor
DID train your dog to do someof these things
(come to her house and beg to be let in, bark to
be let out of the yard), but you've also let her do so.
Time to put a stop to the part you have control over.
First, confine the dog inside. He may still bark when left
alone, particularly at first, but the neighbor can't come by
to let him out (without breaking and entering at least) and
the noise should be somewhat muffled by the house. If the dog
is not used to being left alone in the house you will have to
begin by crating or otherwise confining him -- a bored,
annoyed, stressed dog who is used to getting his way and
doesn't undestand why it's not working now can do an amazing
amount of damage and most of it because he's worried. You can
work up to giving him the run of the house once he understands
what's expected of him and that he's not locked in there
forever.
Once you have him in the house and out of the neighbor's way
you will need to teach him not to bark in your absence. This
is normally a difficult task requiring lots of patience, so
start on a weekend or when you have all day to go away and
come back many times. Also be aware that since his barking
has been rewarded, it will get MUCH WORSE for a short while
before it gets better. I think behaviorists call this an
"extinction burst". It's very very important that you never
give in to the barking, from now on, because he has already
learned that persistence pays and one slip up on your part
will reinforce that."
> They know the science, just not the terminology.
That so? The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't play "word twister."
> I'm asking whether it's possible for someone to train a
> dog to something beyond a basic level without knowing how
> the dog is going to respond
The Puppy Wizzzard sez dogs only respond to circumstances
and situations of their environment in instinctive, normal,
natural,
innate, reflexive, ways, as WE provide for them.
> and what it means to the dog.
What it means to the dog is irrelevant. What it means to
dog trainers is, "ALL DOG BEHAVIOR PROBLMES ARE
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING."
From: SRLindsay (srli...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: furniture licking
"While some form of aversive counterconditioning may be
eventually required (e.g., a toss of shaker can or resorting
to a repellent of some kind), I would advise a more
conservative approach for now involving extinction (ignore the
dog or leave the room), shape non-licking behavior with
rewards, redirect licking behavior into a more acceptable
outlet, and alter the environment so the behavior is less
likely to occur."
> (My opinions on this are still unformed.)
> Lynn K.
From: Jeff Vineburg (je...@netaxs.com)
Subject: Re: Howling When Owner Absent
Date: 1995/10/26
sc...@milab.com (E. Simmer) wrote:
>I am a neighbor of a very cute Westie. The dog is really
>sweet but when his owners leave the house, he howls
> and cries to the point of hysteria.
This is unfortunately too familiar to me.
My neurotic poster-child has gotten to the point where he
howls when we go away, even if we leave him uncrated, with
relatives! They're all very entertained by the howling, and
he eventually settles down and starts shadowing the relative.
But I digress.....
One way to combat the noise is to hide in the house or right
outside til the noise starts. Then burst into the room and
make a racket on the crate door (god doesn't like noisy
little dogs). Seems a bit cruel, but beats the alternatives."
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From: r_s...@usaor.net (r_s...@usaor.net)
Subject: Re: Help-Dog Wants Attention All The Time!!!
Date: 1996/05/10
I would suggest ignoring the dog **completely** when it comes
up to you to play. When it brings you a ball, let the ball
drop at your feet. Play with the dog when you initiate the
play. If the dog pesters you, and you give it attention (even
looking at the dog or pushing it away), you have given the dog
what he/she wants, and taught the dog to come and bite your
ankles when it wants attention.
This "extinction" can be extremely difficult, but it has been
very beneficial for my 16-month old dalmatial adopted from a
kennel. "
======================
There's your "state of the art..." lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
From: Elizabeth B. Naime (els...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
Subject: Re: Schedules of reinforcement question
Date: 1996/10/09
In article <3256f426...@news.airmail.net>,
sat...@airmail.net (Dave Smith) writes:
> In Skinner's work, he said that a variable schedule is much
> more difficult to extinguish than a continous.
> Makes sense - the subject doesn't know WHEN the
> reinforcement will occur again, thus a longer pattern of
> the target behavior.
Actually, behaviors on nonvariable schedules of reinforcement
can have really obnoxious "extinction bursts", perhaps more
intensely than variably reinforced behaviors (I can try to
look this up if there's really an interest here).
But behaviors on a variable schedule take *longer* to
extinguish, which is precisely what we want in dog training
(as well as what we don't want in accidentally reinforced
nuisance behaviors)."
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And here's HOWE you apply it, according to professora "CHIN
CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap" gingold:
From: AVRAMA GINGOLD (avrama_...@izone.com)
Subject: Re: harsh correction
Date: 1996/05/29
The harshness of a correction should also be a
function of how heinous the mistake is, and how
important it is that it never again occur. Thus if
you want to completely extinguish a response
(behavior) you might need a much harsher correction
than if you are willing to have a few more
repetitions of the undesirable behavior before it is
extinguished.
Please note I am also referring to the importance of
extinction, not just to the preference for
extinguishing a response. Thus if you have a pup who
manages to chew electric wires (even after you've
done everything possible to keep them out of reach),
it is understandable to give a harsh correction the
first time you see him chewing wires. A second
episode might leave you with a fatally electrocuted
puppy! On the other paw, failure to keep a
sit/stay, or to do a perfect heel, is not a life and
death matter.
I dislike the joining of "harsh" with "correction."
A correction is not really intended as a punishment.
It is exactly what it says: a correction, showing the
correct behavior. The "harsh correction" mentioned
above in conjunction with wire chewing is most
definitely a negative or noxious stimulus, intended
to create an avoidance response -- the pup sees wires
and avoids them like the plague. The pup eyes the
legs of a chair, you say "uh uh" or clear your
throat, and then give the pup a rawhide chewtoy, and
say "good boy" when he starts to chew the
rawhide--THAT is a correction. You have altered the
behavior and provided an alternative behavior.
avrama & shomer
Of curse, we know HURTING dogs to train them is CONTRAWIZE, AS IT
TEACHES THE DOG TO DO
THE BEHAVIOR WHEN YOU'RE NOT STANDING
THERE READY TO HURT IT SOMEMOORE, AND
CAUSES TEMPERAMENT AND HEALTH PROBLEMS.
LIKE AGGRESSION, SELF MUTILATION, AND DEATH.
Tell us HOWE COME professora chin chuck sez
chin chuck ain't hittin???
Then we can talk about SAR and the term "RINGWIZE."
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh
And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The
First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike
duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
Thank you, mikes. Couldn't do it without YOUR help.
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often
> > > make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter,
> > > neither of which we want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel
> > very sorry for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please
> > provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of
> > Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that shows a
> > regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of
> > training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you
> > compare using sound and praise to solve a problem with
> > using shock collars, hanging, and punishment how can
> > you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning that you're a
> professor with 30 years of experience. So, can you cite
> some examples of people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FDD80D96A67au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > How many regulars' dogs who have been in training for
> > more than a month or two do you think *can't* do the
> > stuff that you're talking about?
> My Dogs were trained in the womb!
> Send me money and I'll tell you How.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:avju0e$la2$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <3E1D741D...@nhgri.nih.gov>,
> Suja <span...@nhgri.nih.gov> wrote:
> >Rocky wrote:
> >> My Dogs were trained in the womb!
> >> Send me money and I'll tell you How.
> > No, no, no, it's HOWE. It's all in the spelling
> > (and you can send me the money instead)
> But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> --
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -
> sh...@panix.com
> If you send me harassing email, I'll probably
> post it
Is that true, Marilyn?
Of course not~ but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1...@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
> training. If you are interested in training retrieval
> behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered,
> Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and
dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not
Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where
Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't see
why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any
trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making
them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl who continues:
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
> regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered,
> or just plain ill.) --Marshall
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have
trained require much more frequent and heavy application
of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the
stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs
may require you to progress to striking them more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar,
even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
dog
will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts
to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of
your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,
As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems
totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear
is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth
it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora
gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43...@earthlink.net>
rhur...@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find the book.. they
>> don't have these books in the local pet stores I
>> frequent, where do you find Koehler?
>I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL
is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used
books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE
(0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your
koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its face for 5 seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash
are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the
dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where
the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached
their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while
he still had the strength to renew the attack would be
cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength nor
inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is
obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will
probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps,
vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side,
is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the
foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would
express his resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these extreme problems.
Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might
resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then
cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes
painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of
"the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once
rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary
droolings of mealy-mouthed columnists, breed-ring
biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins
and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be
proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than
would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind"
to make a correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels
obligated to perform a "major operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites
in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will
deal with the with the much easier problem of the dog
that bites someone other than his master."
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