Framing award ribbons
The Puppy Wizard
prescription for Solo's mood meds...
"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> Have any of you ever framed a flat ribbon before? Does anyone sell
> frames already sized for flat ribbons (with or without a space for a
> picture)? I'd like to frame Solo's Q ribbon. So far, the only means
> I've found to frame something this size and shape (I want a frame about
> the same shape as the ribbon) is to go custom, and the custom framers
> around here are averaging $75 or $80 for such a job, and that's not even
> springing for the really nice frames.
>
> Any ideas? I know most of you probably frame rosettes, or multiple
> ribbons, if you frame any, but I want to frame just this one.
>
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Charlie Wilkes
(Melanie L Chang) wrote:
>Have any of you ever framed a flat ribbon before? Does anyone sell
>frames already sized for flat ribbons (with or without a space for a
>picture)? I'd like to frame Solo's Q ribbon. So far, the only means
>I've found to frame something this size and shape (I want a frame about
>the same shape as the ribbon) is to go custom, and the custom framers
>around here are averaging $75 or $80 for such a job, and that's not even
>springing for the really nice frames.
>
>Any ideas? I know most of you probably frame rosettes, or multiple
>ribbons, if you frame any, but I want to frame just this one.
Get a standard frame at Walmart, cut it down with a very fine saw
(like a coping saw) and a glass-knife, and glue it back together.
Even if you buy the tools, the whole thing shouldn't cost more than
$20. You'll have to take time to do it very carefully if you want it
to look good, though, and you may have to do some sanding and paint
touch-up. It's just the project for a detail-obsessed perfectionist,
Melanie, so have fun!
Charlie
Robin Nuttall
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> Have any of you ever framed a flat ribbon before? Does anyone sell
> frames already sized for flat ribbons (with or without a space for a
> picture)? I'd like to frame Solo's Q ribbon. So far, the only means
> I've found to frame something this size and shape (I want a frame about
> the same shape as the ribbon) is to go custom, and the custom framers
> around here are averaging $75 or $80 for such a job, and that's not even
> springing for the really nice frames.
>
> Any ideas? I know most of you probably frame rosettes, or multiple
> ribbons, if you frame any, but I want to frame just this one.
No, I haven't tried to frame any ribbons--I always thought that if I
ever qualified for the Top 20, I'd frame THAT ribbon and yep, it would
be custom and very expensive!
What about the frames you can buy at Walmart or target or wherever that
are kind of shadow-boxey. You know, where there's the glass, then a nice
amount of space before the back panel? You might look for that, then I'd
look for some nice rag paper or other textured/colored/interesting
backing and glue the ribbon to it, and mount it in the frame.
diddy
>
> Have any of you ever framed a flat ribbon before? Does anyone sell
> frames already sized for flat ribbons (with or without a space for a
> picture)? I'd like to frame Solo's Q ribbon.
made the mistake of putting it on a chest in my son's room. Things got
put on it, spilled on it and after a few years, got pitched due to lack
of durability. You will have so many ribbons after showing for awhile
that I doubt you will have wall space to put them all. Considering you
don't have kids, yours can probably be expected to outlast the dog. I
agree the first ribbon might be special to you.
I don't bother saving ribbons anymore, but certificates got put in each
dogs album.
filly
"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> frames already sized for flat ribbons (with or without a space for a
> I've found to frame something this size and shape (I want a frame about
> the same shape as the ribbon) is to go custom, and the custom framers
> around here are averaging $75 or $80 for such a job, and that's not even
> springing for the really nice frames.
>
> Any ideas? I know most of you probably frame rosettes, or multiple
> ribbons, if you frame any, but I want to frame just this one.
>
are going to be satisfied unless the frame is perfect. It is very hard to
make perfectly squared, mitered corners (at least for me-I've never managed
to get the lengths and angles right on, not perfect) I'd spend the money
and have it custom framed. I have posters that were free and spent $80-$100
to have matted and framed and have enjoyed them for years. It is well worth
the money to have it done right.
Karla
Shelly & The Boys
"filly" <fi...@expert.net> wrote in message
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One of the biggest issues I think with framing them is keeping
them safe from sunlight. I think most ribbons are pretty cheaply
made, and will fade with time, but keeping them out of the direct
light will help a lot in keeping the color as fresh as possible.
Shelly & The Boys
Julia Altshuler
>
> I was also wondering if there was anything I could spray on the ribbon to
> keep it from fading, but I guess there isn't much of a market for such a
> thing. Especially not for doggie ribbons!
There might be, but you might be looking in the wrong place. Do you know what
the ribbon is made of? Is it a woven fabric or a more along the lines of
vinyl? A place that sells decorator fabric for furniture would be your best bet
for information on protective sprays.
--Lia
Jag795
>keep it from fading, but I guess there isn't much of a market for such a
>thing. Especially not for doggie ribbons!
There are clear coats with UV inhibitors in them....but I would worry about the
color-fastness of the material that the ribbon is made out of.
>Anyone know of any cheap custom frame shops? There are two within a
>block of my apartment, but they're chi-chi upscale urban type shops.
I don't know where you are located....but around here there are a few Pat
Catans Craft Centers....that will do custom framing. (though I don't know how
expensive they are either). You may want check into any larger craft stores in
your area to see if they offer the service.
I read about Solo on r.p.d.health earlier. I sincerely hope he is feeling
better soon.
Jan
filly
<snip>
> Does Sears frame things? I want the frame to be nice, but my budget is a
> bit tight at the moment. I'm trying to treat Solo's Lyme disease
> (see r.p.d.health) without pulling out the credit cards.
>
I don't know if Sears offers framing or not, but the craft stores around
here do, Michaels and The Craft Warehouse. They usually run a coupon ad
(Sunday newspaper) every few weeks offering a 50% discount, which is when I
get framing done, and I've had excellent results at both shops.
Karla
The Puppy Wizard
"Jag795" <jag...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Yeah. Solo will feel a lot better when melanie stops lettin Thug trainers
beat him in the face with at stick for her:
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat" melanie.
"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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"A while back someone posted about an Alasdair MacRae clinic: "Is
he gonna hit my dog?!?" Well, Jack did hit my dog. Actually I'd call it
a sharp tap of the crook to the nose, and I doubt it was very painful,
but it did sort of freak me out and it DEFINITELY got Solo's
attention.
And yeah, I admit that I would prefer not having my dog
whacked, but I signed on to this clinic to take in the methods
wholesale. In this context, the correction worked -- it's not something
I would do in civilian life, but Solo can take a lot more around stock
than he could anywhere else since he wants the sheep so badly. And
I know Jack would not have done it if he though Solo couldn't take it."
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> On 22 Feb 2001 17:58:14 GMT Melanie L Chang
<mlc...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>
whittled these words:
> > If you are interested, I posted a description of my experiences
> > on the Border Collie Boards that you might find interesting. The
> > URL for the post (and subsequent discussion) is:
> > http://www.bordercollie.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000298.html
*****************(don't bother going to the link, melanie took it down
to avoid criticism)**************
> Wow, that was really great reading.
> Diane Blackman
> http://www.dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html
INDEED. Proves everything I say about you lying dog abusing
Thugs. You beat your own dog, Master Of Deception, blankman.
> Be true to your own principles, and hold to them,
> else complain not when the world runs contrary.
Yeah, that was GREAT, wasn't it Natalie? Our friend diane blackman
also allows her dog to be whacked in the face by a total stranger
who's setting untrained dogs loose to molest sheep and then having
to beat the dog to stop him from tearing up the petrified, captive
sheep.
> And that you didn't really want him, you wanted your Pom back (I'm
> sorry i don't remember his name at the moment)
> The hassle the too big, too aggressive dog caused with your mum.
> I remember the first time a man petted him. The first time he did
> what he was told.
> I remember reading a difference at some point in your posts.
> That must have been after PetCo.
> Solo is one lucky dog to have been found by you.
Solo is UN lucky. Solo has been mishandled and harassed since day one
with melaine. Do you remember melanie refusing to discuss the "training"
she underwent at the university of PA? She REFUSED to discuss the
domination techniques she was taught on her first meeting with the
behavior department... Why? Because she was EMBARRASSED to
discuss the questionable techniques she was taught.
Our expert university behaviorists told her it would be months, perhaps
NEVER before her dog Solo would straighten out from his fear/shy
aggression, and they've had him on mood altering drugs for MONTHS,
with no obvious improvement.
> And you are one lucky person to have been found by him.
melanie lets at total stranger beat her man shy fear aggressive dog in
the face to stop IT from attacking harmless sheep he's been loosed on to
terrorize under the disguise of "training."
> So Happy Got Day Melanie and Happy Got Day Solo.
INDEED.
> What a team you make.
INDEED.
> Natalie
Natalie, have you been reading about the same melanie and Solo that I
have? She's been "training" this dog 24/7 for a solid year, taking in
several classes a week, and STILL has fear aggression and hyperactive
behavior from him.
The following posts will thouroughly discredit your pal melanie as a
competent dog trainer and a decent, loving, considerate, dog owner.
"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> Leah (dfrnt...@aol.comMURK-OFF) wrote:
> : Man, I am SO relieved that Madigan doesn't do this. I was
> : sweating it, since I read that BCs are chasers (I guess trying
> : to herd everything that moves), but she doesn't chase cars or
> : bicycles.
> OK, let's all take a deep breath. Border Collies do not herd cars.
No? Herding dogs will herd anything that moves.
> The act of herding is a very specific one.
Is that so?
> Border Collies are predisposed to fixate upon and follow
> moving objects because it is a trait that is useful when
> engaged in the act of herding (as is circling) but this trait
> in isolation is not herding behavior. Herding dogs who
> chase cars, bikes, or rollerbladers do not think that any of
> these things are sheep.
Oh. That's reassuring. You'd think a dog would know the difference
between a sheep and a car. So why do they want to herd them?
They want to turn them into sheep? You don't think it's the same
behavior?
> If they circle the tire at agility practice, they are not herding
> the tire.
Oh. That's because the tire is not moving. It's not like they're TRYING
to herd the tire or cars, is it, huh. It's just confusion.
> "Herding" is when you take all these individual behavioral
> quirks and put them together into the complex act of
> moving stock.
WELL, that requires some training.
> I have seen Border Collies herd stock, and I have seen
> them herd each other in play (not in a manner that would
> be very nice on sheep), but that is it.
You think herding dogs are NICE to sheep? They're TRAINED
not to HURT them.
> -- Melanie and Solo, who is not stupid enough to try to
> herd cars Melanie Lee Chang
"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> This is the confluence of many trains of thought. Or
> streams to unmix the metaphor and just murder it instead.
> Since Solo is fear aggressive,
You let some punk dog trainer hit him to train him. And YOU liked it.
It made SENSE to you... You got a lot of nerve asking ETHICAL
questions of any sort...
> it's not great when people approach us out in public and
> try to pet him.
And it ain't likely to get better as long as you keep pulling the B.S.
your "trainers" keep telling you to do to him.
> Many people are deterred by the Gentle Leader he wears,
> thinking it is a muzzle, but enough are not so that it
> continues to be a problem. He actually does not react
> badly to most of the people who do this, but I think he
> would learn faster if no one did it at all.
Maybe he'd learn FASTER if you didn't let some chump "dog trainer"
slap him around for ya?
> I would certainly be able to control his desensitization
> better, at any rate.
Why don't you bring him back to the pound so they can just kill him and
get it over with? You've been UNSUCCESSFULLY "training" him
for months. GIVE IT UP.
> I have at times considered getting him a cape meant for
> service dogs, with those patches that say "Dog in training
> -- do not approach or pet."
You should be branded with a big scarlet "DOG ABUSER" on your
forehead, and Solo should be taken away and given to someone
who gives a damn about him.
> However, I have not felt comfortable since some people
> might consider it a misrepresentation.
What do you consider it when you hand his lead to some bum who's
gonna choke and beat him for you?
> I would never portray him as a service dog or use
> the cape to get him into any place he was not allowed to
> be in.
BWWAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! You're an imbecile.
> I would just like for people to leave us alone,
Shouldn't be hard for you... Just treat folks like you do your dog, and
they're HISTORY.
> without branding him as fear aggressive in public.
Yes, appearances are SO important to our lying, dog abusing, Thugs.
> Would this be unethical?
I think YOU are unethical.
> Thoughts?
No, I don't care to waste any thoughts on you. Only on EXPOSING
you as the Thug you are.
Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}
> Melanie Lee Chang
Hello melanie,
"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure why you're asking questions, since you don't seem to
> want any advice, but here goes.
You let some dirtbag trainer hit your dog. You've been ineffectively
training Solo for six months or longer, with MINIMAL progress.
> I also (as you are certainly aware) have a very intelligent Border
> Collie,
Smarter than you and your "trainers."
> adopted at the age of almost 1.5 years. Although he was used to
> being kept in a kennel, he had never (despite the assurances of the
> person I adopted him from) been crate trained. (How did I know
> this? From his initial reactions to being crated.)
BRILLIANT.
> I never used a crate with my last dog (Harley the Perfect, who
> didn't need one) and resisted the idea of crating Solo. For a
> number of reasons, I've come around and now look at the crate
> (and the clicker!) as an indispensable tool of dog care and upkeep.
You're an imbecile. You're spending many hours a week training a
dog you spent 24/7 with, and only have substandard, minimal results
to show for it, DESPITE the "best" trainers and behaviorists in the
racket... NICE GOING. I'd be EMBARRASSED TO DEATH to have
YOU as a student.
> You say that a dog doesn't learn anything while he is in a crate.
You got a theory? Osmosis? Psychic training? WHAAAAT???
> This is totally untrue.
What kind of training is the dog supposed to learn while locked in a
crate?
> The most important thing a dog learns there, as Shannon pointed
> out,
shannon hits and confronts and confines and scolds and punishes her
dogs.
> is the ability to turn "off" and relax.
Because you bums don't know HOWE to properly handle and train the dog.
> I think this is especially crucial (though by no means exclusively)
> for highly reactive, intelligent puppies like Border Collies or other
> herding breeds.
A dog is a dog, just like a THUG is a THUG. I have nothing but
disrespect and animosity for you, because of the way you handle and
train your dog, and the sneaky, double talking, deception you try to
pull on yourself. Like the reason you wouldn't discuss the "training
methods" you "learned" at the university...
BWWWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> It is possible that in addition to being bored while you're gone,
> Madigan is a bit anxious (I don't mean in terms of actual separation
> anxiety, which Solo has, but in that she's not totally comfortable
> being alone -- many sociable dogs are not).
DOUBLETALK.
> By removing options you allow her to relax.
B.S.
> Leaving her the run of the house when she is at this stage
> presents her with dozens of decisions she has to make and in my
> experience, dogs (especially ones bred to work closely with
> humans) are not comfortable making series of decisions while they
> are in isolation from their people.
You're full of crap. You knowingly took your dog to a bum trainer who
hits dogs, and you LET him HIT Solo for you, because YOU only care
about YOU.
> What do I do now?
I'd like to see you lose your dog to an accidental bite, and learn your
lesson before you can misadvise any other posters here, IF YOU'D
REALLY LIKE TO KNOW what I'd LIKE to see...
> And next?
And next, you'd study some appropriate training methods like
Robert Crim did, and REHABILITATE YOURSELF.
> And next?
And NEXT, you could TEACH OTHERS by your own example and
past history of failure, which you would have LEARNED and
BENEFITED from.
> The endless temptations a big, empty house hold for an active
> puppy (particularly one going into the goofy adolescent stage)
You are the goofy adolescent. You're the bum who brought your dog
to a trainer you KNEW was going to hit him...
> serve as continual reminders that "I'm alone, Mom isn't here and
> I'm bored bored bored -- better find something else to do."
You're throwing foolish hypothetical scenarios around like that was
fact. You're a miserable cuss, you are.
> If Madigan were crate trained, she would say, "I'm alone and in my
> den, and what we do in here is sleep, so I will."
Or, she'd try to break out and chew through the sides of the crate
and the front door of the house and go sit on the front porch waiting
patiently for mom to come home.
> Remember that for dogs, it's all about context and rule structures
> and that they are happiest when they have one.
You're full of crap.
> When you leave Madigan alone in the big empty house, there is no
> rule structure.
That's because of your inappropriate approach to handling and
training. That's why I say, "when the kat's away." You play
policeman, instead of teaching the dog to contain himself under
stressful situations. you cause the behavior problems you have.
> She isn't comfortable with this, she gets bored, she chews things.
You're fabricating things to suite your argument. You're full of crap.
> Mom comes home and is unhappy.
That's why I don't punish or scold or "correct" dogs for behavior
problems, I TRAIN them not to happen.
> (And by the way -- yelling at the floor isn't going to teach her
> anything.)
Says who? YOU? What the hell would you know about it? You PAY
some dirtbag to slap your dog around for you.
> Solo was initially not fond of his crate
But you didn't give a damn.
> (a plastic airline crate in an out-of-the-way corner of the apartment),
> so I switched to a wire crate and moved it right next to my bed.
A better mousetrap??? You're an imbecile.
> Next I started leaving treats for Solo to find fortuitously in the back
> of the crate
You think the dog is STUPID???
> at various times, so he would get used to moving in and out of it
> and associate good things with it.
Oh. O.K.
> Then I started clicking and treating him every time he went into the
> crate.
Amazing. Totally amazing.
> Then I started shutting the door for very short periods of time, then
> longer periods of time, then leaving the room for very short
> absences, then longer absences.
Sheer genius.
> You get the drift.
Yeah. It took you many hours of effort to do what could have been
taught in a matter of a few minutes if you trained the dog properly.
> It took a while
WEEKS.
> but it was worth it to have a dog with no negative associations with
> the crate.
That's the PROBLEM, melanie. The anxiety related to the crate is UNSEEN.
It carries over to EVERY aspect of your dog's behavior.
That's why you've made substandard progress for the past six
months or longer. Your "expert" behaviorists TOLD you it would take
a long, long, time. You EXPECT it's going to take a long, long, time.
I'd have had you FINISHED in two weeks. GUARANTEED.
> I NEVER use it for punishment.
RIGHT. You PAY some dirtbag to punish him for you.
> (For that matter, 99.9% of the time, I don't use punishment, period.
Probably because Solo will take a hunk outta your dead @$$.
> But that's another post.)
INDEED. Start posting.
> Solo sleeps in the crate voluntarily
BECAUSE HE FEELS SAFE THERE. He does not feels safe with you.
> (he has never not had the run of the apartment at night) and also
> has a crate in my office at school that he relaxes and feels safe in
> and clearly thinks of as his den.
> When strangers knock on the door (an event that he dreads)
That's BECAUSE YOU INSTILL HIM WITH CONFIDENCE.
> he runs straight into the crate if he isn't already in there.
Of course. BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE CAN'T TRUST YOU NOT
TO LET HIM GET BEAT UP BY SOME DIRTBAG TRAINER.
> I did not train him to do this.
AHHH! BUT YOU DID. He does that because you've broken his trust
with your "training" methods.
> He can sack out and sleep in there whereas if he is loose in the
> office he is never still because something is always making him
> perk up, look around, pace, bark, growl, or whatever (depending on
> the stimulus and whether it is benign or frightening).
BECAUSE YOU'VE MISHANDLED HIM.
> Now that I think about it, the crate is the only place he is truly
> relaxed.
BECAUSE YOU'VE FAILED HIM MISERABLY.
> Solo's not one of those Border Collies who's go-go-go inside the
> house as well as out, but he's not what I would call laid-back, either
> -- he lies down and settles well in the house, but his eyes are
> always wide open and staring at me
INDEED. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU ABOUT.
> in case I decide to do something interesting.
NO. IN CASE YOU DO SOMETHING UNTRUSTWORTHY.
> When Solo is crated those wires get uncrossed and the hawklike
> alertness can get put on hold temporarily.
BECAUSE HE DOES NOT GET A SENSE OF SECURITY FROM YOU.
YOU'VE ABUSED HIM FROM THE GIT GO.
> It is a clear signal to him that "nothing interesting is going to
> happen for a while and you can relax now." Border Collies, out of
> all breeds, really need to be trained to be good and relaxed in the
> house, otherwise you can create a monster -- the constant supplier
> of dripping tennis balls and whirling dervish that so many people
> tell horror stories about.
You're something else.
> When you are training a puppy to be good alone, you want to start
> by setting her up to succeed. Leaving her alone when you KNOW
> she gets bored and chews things is setting her up for failure.
That's why I have methods to accomplish all that.
> Since you cannot correct her in your absence
I don't CORRECT dogs.
> she will not learn not to destroy things.
That's not true. You're sadly mistaken.Y OUR EXPERIENCE has
been that of FAILURE.
> You cannot correct her when you get home
NO. YOU CANNOT CORRECT THE DOG WHEN YOU
GET HOME, because YOU don't know HOWE.
> because then she'll only learn to dread your return.
It's all in the FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
> There is no way out of this situation.
WANNA BET? It's ALL in the Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual for FREE.
> You can try giving Madigan other things to do while you are gone,
> but you aren't training her not to chew, just diverting her.
Why don't you go take Solo for another training session with the bum
you can let slap him around someMOORE?
> And the burden of the decision to chew or not is still on her while
> you are gone.
Sorry, melanie. Dogs do not have burdensome decisions to make in
our absence. Dogs do what they're TRAINED to do.
> In addition, it is clear that she does not yet have an idea of what is
> OK to chew and what is not.
We can fix that in an evening or afternoon or two... NO PROBLEM.
Unless you don't KNOW HOWE.
> Have you read _Culture Clash_? In general, you want to start by
> limiting their freedom and then giving them more and more when
> they earn it -- it's a lot easier than going the other way. .That. is
> how they learn.
Says YOU?
> For what it's worth,
It's not worth squat:
<SNIP LESS THAN SQUAT>
> He has recently graduated to being able to be loose without
> panicking when I am gone (as evidenced by the fact that when I
> come home, he is lying on the bed napping instead of right inside
> the door drooling), but I still crate him because otherwise I fear he
> might eat my cat.
Yup.
> I hope this helps.
Nope.
> Melanie Lee Chang
Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}
Susan Fraser
>better soon.
What's this? Is Solo sick?
Susan Fraser, owned and trained by
Boog and his Bitches, Shammie and SheBop
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/chinchuba/AuH2OK9s/
Rocky
> I had happened to take him to a holistic
> vet so he's also on this hocus-pocus accupressure/laser
> light treatment that involves some voodoo with vials of
> distilled water (I am not making this up). I figure it
> can't hurt.
Nope, it won't hurt - confirmed by the holistic vet I took Rocky
to. I can understand acupressure, herbs, and TCM, but
homeopothy is another story.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Robin Nuttall
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> Shelly & The Boys (sn...@BADBOYSpacifier.com) wrote:
>
> Anyone know of any cheap custom frame shops? There are two within a
> block of my apartment, but they're chi-chi upscale urban type shops.
> Does Sears frame things? I want the frame to be nice, but my budget is a
> bit tight at the moment. I'm trying to treat Solo's Lyme disease
> (see r.p.d.health) without pulling out the credit cards.
Sorry about the Lymes!! Try a craft shop. For instance a Michael's would
have framing. Our local Westlakes, which is an Ace Hardware subsidiary,
also has framing. I don't know whether a place like Lowe's or Home Depot
would or not.
Charlie Wilkes
(Melanie L Chang) wrote:
>Shelly & The Boys (sn...@BADBOYSpacifier.com) wrote:
>
>: One of the biggest issues I think with framing them is keeping
>: them safe from sunlight. I think most ribbons are pretty cheaply
>: made, and will fade with time, but keeping them out of the direct
>: light will help a lot in keeping the color as fresh as possible.
>
>I was also wondering if there was anything I could spray on the ribbon to
>keep it from fading, but I guess there isn't much of a market for such a
>thing. Especially not for doggie ribbons!
>
>Anyone know of any cheap custom frame shops? There are two within a
>block of my apartment, but they're chi-chi upscale urban type shops.
>Does Sears frame things? I want the frame to be nice, but my budget is a
>bit tight at the moment. I'm trying to treat Solo's Lyme disease
>(see r.p.d.health) without pulling out the credit cards.
Melanie, read my post on this. Just because I'm not part of your
asinine clique doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. You
can easily buy a cheap frame at Walmart and cut it down to a custom
size. You need a fine-toothed saw and a glass-cutter, possibly some
sandpaper and touch-up paint. It will cost you less than $20 and look
fine.
This is what happens when you killfile people. Of all the people who
responded to your post, I am the only one (apparently) who knows about
this easy, common technique for framing. But you'd rather spin your
wheels and natter about nothing with your nit-wit friends than get
some useful information. It really is pathetic.
Charlie
Paul B
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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But at least they get to remain ignorant and continue with their problems.
After all this group is all about saving face, not about solving issues.
Paul
Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
???
I'm sorry, Paul, but I don't agree. These women parade their
ignorance to the whole world on a daily basis. I don't call that
"saving face"; I call it "wallowing in humiliation."
Charlie
Robin Nuttall
Charlie Wilkes wrote:
> Melanie, read my post on this. Just because I'm not part of your
> asinine clique doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. You
> can easily buy a cheap frame at Walmart and cut it down to a custom
> size. You need a fine-toothed saw and a glass-cutter, possibly some
> sandpaper and touch-up paint. It will cost you less than $20 and look
> fine.
Actually there's no need for her to go to all that trouble!! Nice
matting in almost any size frame will work. Maybe she's not replying
because she isn't "crafty" or doesn't want to bother to have to re-saw
an already cheap frame. :)
The Puppy Wizard
The Puppy Wizzzard has NEVER seen a show ribbon fade... but HE HAS seen
plenty of lying dog abusing Punk Thug Cowards fade HOWETA this group...
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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The Puppy Wizard
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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Sionnach
"Melanie L Chang" wrote:
> I took him to the vet because his energy level
> seemed down -- not low enough for anyone who didn't know him to think
> anything was weird, but definitely low for Solo. Other than that he's
> asymptomatic, so hopefully he'll go through the antibiotic treatment and
> that will be the end of it.
All three of my dogs tested positive two months ago. All three were
completely asymptomatic.
Since this area is tick/Lyme central - I DO keep Frontline on the dogs,
but they still get ticks occasionally -about 18 months ago I'd asked my vet
(different vet in the same practice) about doing prophylactic testing. The
reply I got was "Lymes shows up quickly, with acute symptoms of lameness and
fever, and is easy to treat, so there's no reason to test if the dog's not
sick. Besides, the test is really expensive, so you'd be wasting your
money."
This winter, I heard from members of my agility club that there's now a
new test for heartworm that also checks for Lymes and ehrlichosis (sp?), and
that it was both more accurate and less expensive than previous tests. So I
just told the vet- new vet in the practice, who I like better than the other
one- that I wanted to start up with Heartgard early, and had the new test
done.
Bingo- all three tested postive for Lymes, and were put on a prophylactic
course of Doxy.
Now, I said they were asymptomatic - and they were, by what the first vet
had told me - but Brenin *distinctly* has more energy than he did before the
treatment. It's subtle, but the difference is there.
MaryBeth
> them safe from sunlight. I think most ribbons are pretty cheaply
> made, and will fade with time, but keeping them out of the direct
> light will help a lot in keeping the color as fresh as possible.
> Shelly & The Boys
>
Yup. I agree with Shelly, like I wouldn't???? <G>
I'd go for the pro job, check more places around the city, and even out here
in the stores, in Joisey.
I have three posters for the Harvest fair they have every year in Sonoma
County, Ca.
I didn't pay a thing, as I worked a booth for a pal's winery, and they were
signed by the gal who did them.
They've been rolled up carefully, but for about 10+/- yrs. (I only have
three of them as she's changed her style. I have also moved 3000 miles away.
:)
Anyway, I have had these done pro, cost about $300 plus for three EACH, and
$100 for another, not a Harvesty/Winery thang. Not only will the sunlight
not damage them but if you get done pro, they use certain things to make
them 'keep' for years.
I vote for pro!!
MB
The Puppy Wizard
"MaryBeth" <marb...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
>
>
>Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>
>> Melanie, read my post on this. Just because I'm not part of your
>> asinine clique doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. You
>> can easily buy a cheap frame at Walmart and cut it down to a custom
>> size. You need a fine-toothed saw and a glass-cutter, possibly some
>> sandpaper and touch-up paint. It will cost you less than $20 and look
>> fine.
>
>Actually there's no need for her to go to all that trouble!! Nice
>matting in almost any size frame will work. Maybe she's not replying
>because she isn't "crafty" or doesn't want to bother to have to re-saw
>an already cheap frame. :)
>
No, she's not replying because she's a prim & proper little missy and
I might say something to offend her delicate sensibilities.
Look -- Melanie specifically said she wanted a custom size, and she
specifically said she didn't want to pay the price of a custom job.
She's gonna have to do a little work to meet those conditions. I have
outlined a technique known to have worked well in countless similar
situations. Do you know of a better one???
Charlie
staf...@webtv.net
From: di...@nospam.diddy.net (diddy)
<I had a large quilt made of Danny's ribbons. >
That's what I'm saving all our ribbons for. :-) Figure it will provide
lots of busy work when I'm too old to run and train dogs anymore. I
can sit and stitch our memories.
Debbie
Manadero
>No, I haven't tried to frame any ribbons--I always thought that if I
>ever qualified for the Top 20, I'd frame THAT ribbon and yep, it would
>be custom and very expensive!
>
Absolutely :)
I've never seen frames for ribbons, most people just have them professionally
done, since the person often wants to include a title certificate and picture.
That said, when I started out, getting a ribbon - any ribbon <G> was a big
deal, and I framed some of them, usually grouped together (i.e. use the ribbons
for a title and frame them all together) and I used regular frames and black
velvet. They held up very well for the 5 or 6 years I had them displayed...
don't know how they lasted beyond that since those have been packed away in the
attic for years...
Now I just keep them in boxes and I have several crystal vases/bowls (won at
shows) that I keep them (just drop them in) sitting around the house.
Diddy, how did you find someone to make you a quilt (or did you do it?) I'm
not terribly artsy, nor do I have the time, but I do have an abundance of
ribbons and a wallhanging/quilt for my office would be nice :)
Robin
The Puppy Wizard
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:30:16 GMT, Robin Nuttall <rob...@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
> No, she's not replying because she's a prim & proper little missy and
> I might say something to offend her delicate sensibilities.
Perhaps you got a different melanie than we got here?:
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To
The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take
It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat,"
melanie.
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will
> > > often make the dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This
I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked
'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Experience.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I
> > feel very sorry for her and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method
Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really
Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional
Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please
> > provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of
> > Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that shows a
> > regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of
> > training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
Thank you, mikes. Couldn't do it without YOUR help.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you
> > compare using sound and praise to solve a problem
> > with using shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning that you're a
> professor with 30 years of experience. So, can you
> cite some examples of people recommending "shock
> collars, hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FDD80D96A67au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > How many regulars' dogs who have been in training
> > for more than a month or two do you think *can't* do
> > the stuff that you're talking about?
> My Dogs were trained in the womb!
> Send me money and I'll tell you How.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3E1D741D...@nhgri.nih.gov>,
> Suja <span...@nhgri.nih.gov> wrote:
> >Rocky wrote:
> >> My Dogs were trained in the womb!
> >> Send me money and I'll tell you How.
> > No, no, no, it's HOWE. It's all in the spelling
> > (and you can send me the money instead)
> But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> --
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -
> sh...@panix.com
> If you send me harassing email, I'll
> probably post it
Is that true, Marilyn?
Of course not~ but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
> training. If you are interested in training retrieval
> behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered,
> Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and
dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not
Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where
Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't
see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or
how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog
by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez
amy lying frosty dahl who continues:
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
> regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
> ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) --Marshall
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have
trained require much more frequent and heavy
application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job
done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the
stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs
may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar,
even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually,
the dog
will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of
your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right
Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear
pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you
are finished
This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is
overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under
the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the
ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't
worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora
gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43...@earthlink.net>
rhur...@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find the book..
>> they don't have these books in the local pet stores I
>> frequent, where do you find Koehler?
>I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their
URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used
books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE
(0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your
koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its face for 5 seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash
are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the
dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where
the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached
their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover his footing
while he still had the strength to renew the attack
would be cruelty. The only justifiable course is to
hold him suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is
obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing
his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will
probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps,
vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side,
is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the
foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would
express his resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these extreme
problems.
Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of
a
person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might
resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then
cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes
painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of
"the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once
rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary
droolings of mealy-mouthed columnists, breed-ring
biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins
and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be
proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than
would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind"
to make a correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels
obligated to perform a "major operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that
bites in resentment of the demands of training, we will
set our example in that situation. (In a later chapter
we will deal with the with the much easier problem of
the dog that bites someone other than his master."
SEE? Now you better get down to study your FREE copy
of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual and
ask me for FREE heelp if you need any MOORE...
Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW;~} >
P.S. Please, if you are compelled to reply to Your Puppy
Wizard's posts, snip text and trim crossposts and put
NINNYBOY in the subject header to avoid EMBARRASSMENT.
It's a rpdb CONVENTION. And a Wits' End Dog Training Method
CONVENTION... just so's WE can KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON YOU,
TO BE SHORE. <}TPW;~} >
Rocky
> No, she's not replying because she's a prim & proper little
> missy and I might say something to offend her delicate
> sensibilities.
Or, she may not have replied because you ended your suggestion
with a dig.
Rocky
> Diddy, how did you find someone to make you a quilt (or did
> you do it?)
Get Julia to make it!
The Puppy Wizard
"Rocky" <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
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Here's you lyin about HURTIN dogs. That's HOWE COME you
can't post here noMOORE:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will
> > > often make the dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This
I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked
'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Experience.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I
> > feel very sorry for her and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method
Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really
Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional
Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please
> > provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of
> > Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that shows a
> > regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of
> > training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap
Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't Have
Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him
Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FDD80D96A67au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > How many regulars' dogs who have been in training
> > for more than a month or two do you think *can't* do
> > the stuff that you're talking about?
> My Dogs were trained in the womb!
> Send me money and I'll tell you How.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
diddy
> Diddy, how did you find someone to make you a quilt (or did you do it?) I'm
> not terribly artsy, nor do I have the time, but I do have an abundance of
> ribbons and a wallhanging/quilt for my office would be nice :)
>
> Robin
--
diddy
Pet owners believe in wearing real fur, because nothing removes all of
it!
Julia Altshuler
tangible comfort while she's going through a particularly rough time. No one
else is. I have a cousin who is still not speaking to me because I refused to
make a quilt for her. She had this grand idea for a collaboration-- she'd
contribute all the creative decisions, and I'd do all the scut work. When that
idea didn't fly, she capitulated and changed it to a commission. She'd pay for
the fabric and let me make her quilt for her. I love you guys; you're like
family, and if cousins don't get hundreds of hours in free skilled technical
work, neither do you.
--Lia
Manadero
>My Mom-in-law made it for me. (She's now passed away). She loved me.
That's very sweet :) My own mom is retired now and has taken some remedial
quilting classes, but I can just imagine her reaction at being presented with
hundreds of little scraps of (rather cheap) ribbon <G>
I will probably commission one some day, as this really is the best idea I've
heard of to display them. How many ribbons were included in your quilt and how
were they used? I am assuming that they were afixed to a quilt backing but
were there borders.. or did the ribbons comprise the whole of the "front"?
Robin
Manadero
> I love you guys; you're like
>family, and if cousins don't get hundreds of hours in free skilled technical
>work, neither do you.
I think Matt's idea was to provide you with business, not infer that you'd do
it for free :) Something like that would be an incredible effort... if I'm not
willing to learn how and do it myself (because of the huge time committment I
envision) I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to do it for free <G>
Robin
Julia Altshuler
anger. When she first wrote with her terrific anniversary
present/collaboration/commission idea, I wrote a nice thoughtful letter back
gently explaining that she couldn't know what she was asking, that no one would
do what she wanted because the price of the finished quilt would have to be a
thousand dollars if the quilter were going to make even minimum wage. I told
her that I didn't know of anyplace that would do it, but she might try a web
search. That's when my trouble began. She came back with wanting to know if
I'd do it since she especially wanted one of my quilts. When I gave her a
direct no, she pouted and hasn't spoken to me since.
So yeah, you're right. There's no reason to expect everyone in the world to act
like my cousin. I do wonder about doing commissions. I have fun making quilts
so it makes sense to get paid for them, but I've never liked talking to
customers. I know I'd be sensitive to criticism and wouldn't know how to handle
the situation where the customer is asking for something very specific that I
think wouldn't look good.
--Lia
Mike D
> HOWEDY matty,
>
> "Rocky" <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns934EB52A9E354au...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Charlie Wilkes said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> >
> > > No, she's not replying because she's a prim & proper little
> > > missy and I might say something to offend her delicate
> > > sensibilities.
> >
> > Or, she may not have replied because you ended your suggestion
> > with a dig.
> >
> > --
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> Here's you lyin about HURTIN dogs. That's HOWE COME you
> can't post here noMOORE:
So is Matt just gonna stop posting because a nekkid, creepy lunatic
sez so? What the F are you smoking?
Here's you condoning and making fun of the 9/11 attacks. That's
partly HOW COME you are a COWARDLY AssHowe:
Jerry Howe on the 9/11 tragedy:
"I'd see two more towers razed if it would wise you bums up"
"The situation is serious folks. MAD TV and SNL have been preempted. I
miss my MTV. j;~}"
"You don't deserve the same respect our beloved terrorists have
earned."
If any of you newcomers who don't have Jerry Howe, "The Puppy Wizard",
killfiled, do it immediately - also killfile me, Mike D.
If you want to listen to a maniac like Howe who condones not only
9/11, abuse to humans, and abuse to dogs, do read his posts.
If you feel it is right to spike a dog's temperature to 106 until they
have terrible bowel movements, DO read Howe's advice.
If you trust someone who is completely insane and brags about sitting
at the computer "stark ravin nekkid," DO read Howe's posts.
If you like adult people who act like 2nd graders, BY ALL MEANS read
Howe.
Charlie Wilkes
>"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePupp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<bTNha.661$ey1....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>> HOWEDY matty,
>>
>> "Rocky" <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns934EB52A9E354au...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>> > Charlie Wilkes said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> >
>> > > No, she's not replying because she's a prim & proper little
>> > > missy and I might say something to offend her delicate
>> > > sensibilities.
>> >
>> > Or, she may not have replied because you ended your suggestion
>> > with a dig.
>> >
>> > --
>> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>>
>> Here's you lyin about HURTIN dogs. That's HOWE COME you
>> can't post here noMOORE:
>
>So is Matt just gonna stop posting because a nekkid, creepy lunatic
>sez so? What the F are you smoking?
>
Don't answer, Jerry. The fucker's a cop.
>
>Here's you condoning and making fun of the 9/11 attacks. That's
>partly HOW COME you are a COWARDLY AssHowe:
>
>
>Jerry Howe on the 9/11 tragedy:
>
>"I'd see two more towers razed if it would wise you bums up"
A small price indeed.
>
>"The situation is serious folks. MAD TV and SNL have been preempted. I
>miss my MTV. j;~}"
Yes, it was a pain with all those weepy news anchors and that cornball
TV special.
>
>"You don't deserve the same respect our beloved terrorists have
>earned."
Especially Mohammed Atta. What a cool dude!
Charlie
diddy
The ribbons, in fact, comprised the whole quilt, and was really lovely.
I wish i had taken pictures :(, I was never in a hurry, because I always
felt it would be there forever.
I should have known it could not be trusted with a kid in the house. I
regret this deeply. It was never intended to be washed as it was very
fragile. It was backed on muslin. It was really quite pretty, and I
loved to show it to people. My husband insisted that it not be displayed
in ther living room as we had a policy of no trophies in the main room
in the house. Unfortunately it got in harms way.
Gwen Watson
diddy wrote:
> Unfortunately it got in harms way.
Diddy
That is a very sad story. I know that quilt of ribbons
earned must have been quite beautiful.
Gwen
The Puppy Wizard
Of curse, knowing diddler's record for truth and veracity, she's probably
lying about it.
The Puppy Wizzzard. <}TPW ; - } >
"Gwen Watson" <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:3E8846DB...@ig.utexas.edu...
Manadero
>Let me apologize for being over sensitive. I'm still stung by my cousin's
>anger.
No problem at all :) I think everyone has someone close to them that is a pain
in the butt sometimes <G>
> I know I'd be sensitive to criticism and wouldn't know how to handle
>the situation where the customer is asking for something very specific that I
>think wouldn't look good.
>
As someone that grooms, I completely understand this. People are often very
unreasonable.. It's hard sometimes for someone that isn't *doing* it to
envision the finished product (I have to think this of some of the very strange
requests I've had over the years).
As an example, I somehow expect a response to my bringing over boxes of ribbons
to be similar to the very talented artist who did a portrait of my heart dog,
Mist. She was a self blue merle dog (no white) and had lots of small merling
all over her face. She did a gorgeous dog, and the portrait watches over my
desk, but after doing the first, I mentioned having one of her daughter done
and she gave me a flat no... said that no way would she *ever* agree to do
anything else with so many spots <G>
Robin
Gwen Watson
Manadero wrote:
>
> As someone that grooms, I completely understand this. People are often very
> unreasonable.. It's hard sometimes for someone that isn't *doing* it to
> envision the finished product (I have to think this of some of the very strange
> requests I've had over the years).
>
Can I ever relate to that. As a graphic artist you wouldn't believe
the unreal requests. Often very unrealistic time frames and people
thinking you can create something instantly.
Gwen
montana
Julia Altshuler <jalts...@attbi.com> wrote:
> wouldn't know how to handle
> the situation where the customer is asking for something very specific that I
> think wouldn't look good.
Repeat after me: "I'm afraid I'm not the right person for this project."
No more, no less.
Melinda Shore
montana <mon...@wildhack.invalid> wrote:
>Repeat after me: "I'm afraid I'm not the right person for this project."
>No more, no less.
Yes less! "Sorry, no." There's nothing wrong with saying
just plain "no" as long as you're not rude about it.
Julia Altshuler
cousin's terrific idea for a fun project we could do together, I told the quilt
group about it and got lovely supportive responses from people helping me with
the courage to turn her down. That had never been in question. I knew I was
saying no. I consider that to be the first and most important part of
assertiveness.
It is the second part I'm still struggling with. That's the part where I feel
bad about the whole thing. It bothers me that my cousin got her feelings hurt
when I turned her down. I wish I could have made her understand why I was
turning her down. I wish she weren't angry with me. The chances are good that
she simply doesn't get it despite my long explanatory letter.
I'm afraid that's what it would be doing commissions in a professional
capacity. Most people learn that I make quilts, think of the ones they've seen
at Walmart (mass produced in the Third World with practically slave labor) for
$40.00 and think that they'll commission one from the hobbyist down the block
and pay the whopping price of $100.00. They imagine they're being generous.
They'd be stunned to learn that $100.00 wouldn't cover the cost of materials
(bought at retail). I can't blame them. I thought I'd save lots of money
making my own clothes when I first started sewing 18 years ago. (Hah!)
(A word about the quilt for Marie: I am totally comfortable doing this or I
wouldn't have volunteered. She's getting a quickly stitched together comfort
for while she's in the hospital. I hope she appreciates it as a work of art,
but this one will not be a prize winner that I'll have lingering bad feelings
about giving away.)
I imagine that the people on this group who work with dogs professionally go
through the same thing. Professional dog trainers should get paid well for
private lessons. Their expertise is worth a lot, but a lot of the general
public doesn't see it that way. The same goes for groomers, dog walkers, vet
techs (interestingly enough, not veterinarians). There are still plenty of
people who don't want to give their dog a bath themselves but think of it in the
same category as giving the 12 year old down the block a few bucks to do it for
them.
--Lia
diddy
> I imagine that the people on this group who work with dogs professionally go
> through the same thing. Professional dog trainers should get paid well for
> private lessons. Their expertise is worth a lot, but a lot of the general
> public doesn't see it that way.
I have to agree. I paid $35 an hour for semi-private lessons with Danny,
shared in a class of 6 people. It was worth every penny with a GOOD
trainer. There are many professional trainers, I would not attend if
they paid ME.
We felt that at $35 a lesson x 6 for 50 weeks a year, we all won and got
a bargain, and realized just how lucky we were.
I paid $75 for my initial 6 weeks of tracking lessons and felt I had a
bargain. I now give lessons for free twice a week, and often, when i
wonder how I'm going to pay the gas to get there, I wonder if it's worth
it. The problem is, I wanted to get people started, so they would lay
tracks for MY dog, and by the time we get done working with them, I'm
just too tired to mess with mine.
Robin Nuttall
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Let me apologize for being over sensitive. I'm still stung by my cousin's
> anger. When she first wrote with her terrific anniversary
> present/collaboration/commission idea, I wrote a nice thoughtful letter back
> gently explaining that she couldn't know what she was asking, that no one would
> do what she wanted because the price of the finished quilt would have to be a
> thousand dollars if the quilter were going to make even minimum wage. I told
> her that I didn't know of anyplace that would do it, but she might try a web
> search. That's when my trouble began. She came back with wanting to know if
> I'd do it since she especially wanted one of my quilts. When I gave her a
> direct no, she pouted and hasn't spoken to me since.
Sigh, I get the same stuff with web pages. I get an incredible number of
people coming to me with various causes, wanting me to set up a website
for them, and gee, it's SUCH a worthy cause, I'll do it free, right? The
last offer would have meant a huge database plus daily updates. They
just don't seem to get it that since this is the way I make my living, I
can't just give my work away. Every hour I spend doing something free
means a few meals I won't be able to afford and it subtracts from time
that would be spent in billable hours for a paying client. And yes,
people get hurt, and people think I'm being unhelpful. I just can't do
much about that!
Jag795
>the unreal requests. Often very unrealistic time frames and people
>thinking you can create something instantly.
>
>Gwen
Boy in how can I ever relate to you Gwen! I have worked in the graphic arts
field since high school. Four years ago I changed my specialty of sorts to sign
making (vinyl graphics). I own/operate a small sign shop plus offer some custom
apparel (shirts, hats, ect), and vehicle graphics. You wouldn't believe how
many people I still get calling me for "printed materials," and most....like in
your situation....want it yesterday!
Jan
Gwen Watson
Jag795 wrote:
> ..like in
> your situation....want it yesterday!
>
> Jan
And be creative immediately without hesitation, please.
Why can't you just do this right away?
Gwen
Marcel Beaudoin
@ig.utexas.edu:
ANd I want it to be like this image I have in my mind, but is kinda hard
to describe. Sorta like that, mixed with that, and a little bit of
that...
--
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Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli
Remove urka-gurka to reply
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Ph.D. thesis.'
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Gwen Watson
Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
> Gwen Watson <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in news:3E88A971.A5151210
> @ig.utexas.edu:
>
> >
> >
> > Jag795 wrote:
> >
> >> ..like in
> >> your situation....want it yesterday!
> >>
> >> Jan
> >
> > And be creative immediately without hesitation, please.
> > Why can't you just do this right away?
> >
>
> ANd I want it to be like this image I have in my mind, but is kinda hard
> to describe. Sorta like that, mixed with that, and a little bit of
> that...
>
Yep, that's it!
Gwen
Manadero
>And I want it to be like this image I have in my mind, but is kinda hard
>to describe. Sorta like that, mixed with that, and a little bit of
>that...
In grooming... they bring you an oversized, cotton coated Bichon, matted, and a
picture of the BOB Westminster dog...
Robin
BethF
> In article <montana-85220F...@news.mindspring.com>,
> montana <mon...@wildhack.invalid> wrote:
> >Repeat after me: "I'm afraid I'm not the right person for this project."
> >No more, no less.
>
> Yes less! "Sorry, no." There's nothing wrong with saying
> just plain "no" as long as you're not rude about it.
Its a pity that people take "sorry, no" to be offensive.
BethF
"Julia Altshuler" <jalts...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E887F84...@attbi.com...
> It is the second part I'm still struggling with. That's the part where I
feel
> bad about the whole thing. It bothers me that my cousin got her feelings
hurt
> when I turned her down. I wish I could have made her understand why I was
> turning her down. I wish she weren't angry with me. The chances are good
that
> she simply doesn't get it despite my long explanatory letter.
If she doesn't get it, its because she chooses not to. I get it.
> I'm afraid that's what it would be doing commissions in a professional
> capacity. Most people learn that I make quilts, think of the ones they've
seen
> at Walmart (mass produced in the Third World with practically slave labor)
for
> $40.00 and think that they'll commission one from the hobbyist down the
block
> and pay the whopping price of $100.00. They imagine they're being
generous.
> They'd be stunned to learn that $100.00 wouldn't cover the cost of
materials
> (bought at retail). I can't blame them. I thought I'd save lots of money
> making my own clothes when I first started sewing 18 years ago. (Hah!)
Lia,
don't do comissioned work. Make quilts for yourself and sell them once they
are finished at a price you can live with.
Tara
> But at least they get to remain ignorant and continue with their problems.
> After all this group is all about saving face, not about solving issues.
Interesting. I notice you stopped posting to a thread as soon as it
turned out you had been wrong about the fundamental premise you'd been
basing your accusations on. Assumptions you have been making all along.
It comes across as odd to point fingers about saving face when you spent
a good deal of time basing your assumptions on crappy information (most
likely given to you by the biggest liar on the newsgroup) but then
clammed right up when it turned out you've been wrong all this time.
Seems a bit disingenuous to me.
Tara
Tara O.
go
> through the same thing. Professional dog trainers should get paid well
for
> private lessons. Their expertise is worth a lot, but a lot of the general
> public doesn't see it that way.
Depends really. Anyone at all can call themselves a professional trainer.
There's no law that says they have to be active members of the Pet Dog
Trainers Assocation so what are their credentials? Since there's no
standard curriculum or accepted means of showing you know what you're doing
(like Doctors who went to med school, lawyers who went to law school, etc)
then why should any person want to pay major bucks for a "professional
trainer"? Unless the person has scores of credits to his/her name including
titled dogs the person has trained, they are as much a professional trainer
as Jane Doe who woke up this morning and decided to start training dogs for
cash...in the eyes of the public.
--
Tara
Julia Altshuler
> If she doesn't get it, its because she chooses not to. I get it.
Thanks.
> Lia,
> Don't do comissioned work. Make quilts for yourself, and sell them once they
> are finished at a price you can live with.
I have quilts on consignment in 2 museum stores. They're not selling like
hotcakes, but I can say that I've sold 3 quilts (in 2 years). I've also donated
2 quilts to be sold at fund raising auctions where they went for good enough
prices. I was thrilled! So yeah, this is no way to make a living, but it is
better than feeling taken advantage of.
--Lia
filly
<snip>
>
> I have quilts on consignment in 2 museum stores. They're not selling like
> hotcakes, but I can say that I've sold 3 quilts (in 2 years). I've also
donated
> 2 quilts to be sold at fund raising auctions where they went for good
enough
> prices. I was thrilled! So yeah, this is no way to make a living, but it
is
> better than feeling taken advantage of.
>
> --Lia
If you're getting what they're worth I'd say you are doing darn good! I
just love when people buy my horses, more than the money, it's a huge ego
boost. Especially when an item is being bought for a gift. Sometimes I
think about visiting all the homes that have my horses and exchanging them
because I've gotten so much better than when I first started. egad.
Karla
Julia Altshuler
going to a customer's living room and exchanging full sized live Mr. Ed type
horses is priceless. The question of whether I'm getting what the quilts are
worth is a circular one. Wouldn't you say that anything is worth what people
are willing to pay for it?
--Lia
Manadero
>For those who don't know, Karla is talking about wooden horses.
I didn't know :) But I figured it wasn't real horses... Karla, do you have a
site?
Robin
Jag795
Jan :c)
BethF
handmade quilts are expensive and i can see why they would take some time to
sell! And the auction thing is a wonderful way to really make a big
difference.
my friend sells her beadwork this way. she gets enough to make four or so
more for each necklace. she figures selling is way to pay for her habit.
You should SEE the necklace i bought from her for my mom. its stunning.
diddy
How much are your horses? They are wonderful!
diddy
I put a picture of one of her horses at:
http://shell2.lomag.net/~moosedog/BlondeRockerc.jpg
Elizabeth Naime
05:35:12 +0000 (UTC),
How about an off-the-shelf frame, preferably with UV resistant
glass/whatever, and a custom-cut mat or two?
Mat board is not too expensive and if you are feeling brave, you can cut
your own with a straight edge and a sharp craft knife (x-acto type).
Getting nice beveled edges takes a mat cutting tool or more experience
than I have, but a framing store might be able to do just the mat(s) for
a considerably smaller price than the whole 9 yards. Some art supply
stores also custom cut mats for their artist clientele who don't do
mats; I don't know how widespread the practice is, but it surely
wouldn't hurt to ask. Uncut mat material can be purchased at art supply
stores (don't neglect your local college bookstore as an art supply
store!).
In terms of overall effect, the frame dimensions really don't matter as
much as a well-cut set of mats do.
-----------------------------------------
Only know that there is no spork.
filly
"Manadero" <mana...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030331233314...@mb-fy.aol.com...
>
> I didn't know :) But I figured it wasn't real horses... Karla, do you
have a
> site?
>
> Robin
No, I mostly sell them from a local tack shop, and lots of word of mouth. I
will post some photos though. Thanks for asking.
Karla
filly
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:3E898806...@nospam.diddy.net...
<snip>
>
> How much are your horses? They are wonderful!
I make all kinds and all sizes, from 3" to 3', so prices can vary from
$10.00 to $350 or so, depending on how the horse turns out. Each one is
different, some better than others.
Karla
Manadero
>No, I mostly sell them from a local tack shop, and lots of word of mouth. I
>will post some photos though. Thanks for asking.
Diddy posted a link to a picture... Wow.. how awesome :)
Robin
filly
> For those who don't know, Karla is talking about wooden horses. The image
of
> going to a customer's living room and exchanging full sized live Mr. Ed
type
> horses is priceless. The question of whether I'm getting what the quilts
are
> worth is a circular one. Wouldn't you say that anything is worth what
people
> are willing to pay for it?
>
> --Lia
Sort of, but if I put a horse for sale at $300.00 and get 10 offers of
$250.00 that doesn't mean to me that the horse is worth $250.00. Eventually
the person who thinks it's worth what I think it's worth comes along. I
think I made a huge mistake underpricing things a few years ago in order to
sell, and learned that is not the way to do it. You have to ask for the
actual worth (which is hard enough to determine-my highly scientific method
is to look at and ask myself what I would pay).
Karla
BethF
"filly" <fi...@expert.net> wrote in message
news:v8k0un6...@corp.supernews.com...
you make small horses?
If you have any horses small enough to ship USPS, you might like to send me
a bill. I would love one.
filly
"BethF" <don'tspa...@bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
news:v8k4pto...@corp.supernews.com...
<snip>
>
> you make small horses?
> If you have any horses small enough to ship USPS, you might like to send
me
> a bill. I would love one.
>
>
I'll send you some photos and you can see what you think. At one point I
was trying to make one small enough to fit inside an Easter egg. I've also
made them small enough to hang on a rearview mirror. In my car I have a
horseshoe hanging on the mirror as I feel I need all the luck I can get when
I drive. It's about 2" x 2" with little brass screws in place of horseshoe
nails, hanging from a gold chain. I think it works, I've only been hit once
in the three years it's been hanging there, and that was at a stop light, I
was at a dead stop and got rear-ended. He was going about 5mph and did over
$1000 damage, which shows how shoddy new ford ranger bumpers are.
Karla
BethF
> I've made them as small as I can get my fingers close to the band saw
blade!
> I'll send you some photos and you can see what you think. At one point I
> was trying to make one small enough to fit inside an Easter egg. I've
also
> made them small enough to hang on a rearview mirror. In my car I have a
> horseshoe hanging on the mirror as I feel I need all the luck I can get
when
> I drive. It's about 2" x 2" with little brass screws in place of
horseshoe
> nails, hanging from a gold chain. I think it works, I've only been hit
once
> in the three years it's been hanging there, and that was at a stop light,
I
> was at a dead stop and got rear-ended. He was going about 5mph and did
over
> $1000 damage, which shows how shoddy new ford ranger bumpers are.
> Karla
I would like a smaller horse! But it doesnt' need to be that small.
peejoe
Could you send me some pictures too? I might just have to get one.
Thanks, -Jenn
>
>
MaryBeth
> just plain "no" as long as you're not rude about it.
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
> If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Yup, I often tell family/pals, that "No." is a complete sentence.
MaryBeth