Breeders Kill Shelter Dogs Chances
Jaybyrd
J.C. Watts Enslin
> Mutts rule
Agreed. We got our dog from a puppy rescue place. (Actually
someone's very smelly house...dogs were treated real well though.)
She's been wonderful. It breaks my heart when people get dogs from
breeders when they don't need to (when they don't use them for
hunting, etc.) when there are many other dogs that are killed everyday
for lack of an owner.
Jon
Bobs yer uncle
> Mutts rule
Nah, reputable breeders only have a few dogs a year for sale--the ones
who sell competitive (dog show quality) animals make you sign a huge
contract often requiring you to have the animal neutered or spayed if
not shown, and also giving them say over stud and dam choices as well
as right of first refusal on the puppies.
Here in the South just about every mutt available at the shelter has
some pitbull in it, and I wouldn't own a pit bull or a pit bull mix.
xyzzy
Also, someone who would buy from a breeder would not consider a rescue
mutt. Believe me I know, having attended a few cat shows with rescue
organizations that thought they would be good places to showcase cats
for adoption. Not.
Tom Enright
> Mutts rule
Dogs from breeders are bread to look a certain way. Violently
unstable? Untrainable? So what? It LOOKS good.
Mutts >>>>>> Pure breads.
-Tom Enright
Dan Bretta
no warning IAWTP. My mutt (shepherd/lab mix) is a doll.
Dan
BillyZoom
Not if you WANT a chihuahua. I've had mutt rescues, purebred rescues
and purebred from breeders. Purebreds have their problems, but if you
want a particular kind of dog...
I think the problem with mutts and puppy mill purebreds is they are
more likely to be owned by people who will let them breed. Good
breeders produce far fewer puppies either directly or indirectly.
I DO encourage rescues. Most rescue orgs will also require
sterilization.
Unclaimed Mysteries
> Mutts rule
Now tell me, which one of these dogs would you want to have as your wide
receiver on your football team? ($1 to Buck Laughlin)
-cls
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lein
> Mutts rule
How do Breeders kill shelter dogs?
Dan Bretta
The inference is that for every dog that is bought from a breeder is
one less dog who will be rescued from the pound.
Dan
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
<I DO encourage rescues. Most rescue orgs will also require
<sterilization.
Over the years I've had excellent luck with dogs that were abused.
Once they get nice treatment and realize the abuse is gone, they
are the happiest and loyal dogs there are. The rescue group ended
up contacting us when they had really bad cases. Most folks see a
dog that's half starved, covered in rashes, and whining *constantly*,
and they don't want anything to do with it. It only takes about a
week to turn that into the bestest dog in the whole world.
And fuck you Vick even if I don't think you deserved jail.
--Tedward
lein
I have a dog from a breeder, is jaybird implying I killed a pound dog?
Dan Bretta
Jaybird is probably satirizing the PETA chyck who held a sign up
saying the exact same thing at the big dog show.
Dan
Jaybyrd
I got carp when I wanted trout
Ike
Taken personally. We bred Schnauzers for 20 years.
The other thing that pisses me off is the attempt to blurr the line between
puppy mills and responsible breeders. Now, if it didn't come from a shelter- it
is a bad thing.
Typical move- like blurring the lines between Semi-Automatic and Automatic.
--
Yrs.,
Ike
*****************************************************
"I think that's all that needs to be said. If PSU recruited him to play
linebacker....then the kid is a player."
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lein
> lein wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 12:45 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 18, 2:32 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 18, 9:51 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Mutts rule
> >>> How do Breeders kill shelter dogs?
> >> The inference is that for every dog that is bought from a breeder is one
> >> less dog who will be rescued from the pound.
>
> > I have a dog from a breeder, is jaybird implying I killed a pound dog?
>
> Taken personally. We bred Schnauzers for 20 years.
One of the trainers at the place I train my dog has a Schnauzer (the
small version). Very well trained, it is her demo dog. Also fun at
playtime given its grumpy, vocal nature.
>
> The other thing that pisses me off is the attempt to blurr the line between
> puppy mills and responsible breeders. Now, if it didn't come from a shelter- it
> is a bad thing.
I took care when researching the breeder, pretty cool setup. Small
ranch on an island north of Seattle. Pups were exposed to horses,
goats, cats, kids, etc. He was obviously socialized early. The dog
really meets the temperament description for his breed which is what I
wanted.
>
> Typical move- like blurring the lines between Semi-Automatic and Automatic.
I recall in an earlier post that Jaybyrd said he had children. Does
that mean he killed orphans?
Anarchist Ruffain of Notre Dame
hmmm....
Yeah, I think I would. If'n she'd shut the hell up about meat being
murder or some shit which she's probably constantly prattling on
about. Mutts rule, not as much.
(Not sure why the NASCRASH crew is assigned to the dog show, though.)
--
TO
sighthounds & siberians
Which, of course, is not true.
Jaybyrd
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:45:04 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta
>
> >On Feb 18, 2:32 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 18, 9:51 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Mutts rule
>
> >> How do Breeders kill shelter dogs?
>
> >The inference is that for every dog that is bought from a breeder is
> >one less dog who will be rescued from the pound.
>
> Which, of course, is not true.
I've been in mutt dog shelters and I tell you, it's a sad sight.
Shame on those snobby "pure" dogs that turn up their noses at the poor
poodlehounds and boradors!
sighthounds & siberians
Yeah, well, it's not purebred dog lovers who bred the mutts - or the
purebreds - that end up in the shelter.
Bobs yer uncle
Nonsense.
Purebreed (dogs) rescue groups are as often as not ran by people
within the particular breed, and they are interested in seeing that
the dogs are adopted by the right people--i.e. active breeds not
adopted out to people in apartments, breeds not tolerant of children
not adopted by families, etc. There is nothing inherently good or bad
about mixed breed dogs--whatever breeds they descended from will
determine their physical and mental characteristics.
Comparing cat fanciers to dog owners is a total apples/oranges
proposition.
Bobs yer uncle
Ridiculous.
A dog's temperment and trainablility is judged every bit as "looks".
I've mentioned before that there are certain breeds I would never own,
but easily 70%+ of all purebreds are "good" dogs.
BillyZoom
I love purebreds AND mutts. But, personally I've had fewer problems
with mutts in terms of temperament and physical problems. All the
mutts I've had have been great dogs, but kind of uniform. Purebreds
have those personality quirks that are endearing (or maddening). Of
course that's just my experience (30+ dogs in total including
rescues). Right now I have a Basset, a Cocker and two chihuahuas. The
cocker is a rescue and he's a handful but a good boy. The others are
from breeders. I recently had a Golden from a very high-end breeder.
His father was a champion show dog. He had the pedigree to be a great
dog and he was. Unfortunately, hip problems hit him relatively young.
And then he mysteriously just began to languish and eventually was not
able to stand. It wasn't just his hips. Only 10 years old. Not enough
time.
Bobs yer uncle
Nowadays, breeders can almost guarantee an animal doesn't have the
genetic marker for dysplasia, but that wasn't the case a couple
decades ago. Goldens are such awesome dogs, and its heartbreaking to
lose any dog, but they are particularly hard because they are so
loving. My only issue with them is the 2-3 year puppyhood, and a big
dog like that can do a lot of damage, intentional or not.
I'm like you, though, I like all dogs, mixed and purebred, but with
four small children we had to guarantee that the dogs we own are good
with kids, so we've stuck with our two breeds for a while, a Norfolk
Terrier and a Samoyed. No offense to Ike, but I've had my ass bit by
enough large breed terriers that I could never own one.
Anthony Summers
> I'm like you, though, I like all dogs, mixed and purebred, but with
> four small children we had to guarantee that the dogs we own are good
> with kids, so we've stuck with our two breeds for a while, a Norfolk
> Terrier and a Samoyed. No offense to Ike, but I've had my ass bit by
> enough large breed terriers that I could never own one.
The best way to guarantee that a dog will behave properly is to get a
mutt puppy and train it. Breeders are part of the problem, period.
--
A. Summers || summerstorm0007-->at<--yahoo.com
Bobs yer uncle
Some dogs are untrainable, mutt or purebred. If, by breeders, you
mean puppy mills, then you are correct, but your blanket assertion is
not.
Anthony Summers
> Some dogs are untrainable, mutt or purebred.
You're much more likely to get an unbendable personality in a 'pure'
(hah) dog than in a natural dog.
Bobs yer uncle
By that logic, the only dogs that would meet your criteria and wolves,
jackals, foxes and coyotes, since they are the only "natural" dogs.
Anthony Summers
> By that logic, the only
By the fourth and fifth words, you'd already screwed it all up.
Bobs yer uncle
Dude, I know that its your m.o. to try to steer a discussion into
bullshit semantics, but unless you are just fishing with the "natural'
dog comment, you are just plain wrong. Humans have been domesticating
and breeding dogs for thousands of years, so your idea that a
particular type of dog is "better" because it is more "trainable"
doesn't really make sense. Dogs that have been bred for a specific
purpose often make shitty pets, but they are great at doing what they
do.
BillyZoom
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I understand what you're saying and our Vet said the same thing. But
we went to great lengths to rule out dysplasia. That's why we paid
$1500 for a dog. He didn't have dysplasia, but he had bum hips and I
don't understand if I wasn't careful enough or it's just a risk. It
just bums me out.
Boy, you're not kidding about the 3 year puppyhood. It's cute for a
while, but when they're full grown they can actually injure you trying
to love on you just because they are so excited.
BillyZoom
I respect your opinion when it applies to your own dogs. You are
looking for different things than I am. I enjoy the uniqueness of my
chihuahuas and their personalities. No mutt is going to act like my
boys, and I don't consider that a problem. The "real" breeders
represent such a small fraction of the dog births in this country that
I just don't think it's an issue. One caveat I will admit. "Real" dog
breeders produce dogs that attract people to a breed. Then people go
to a shitty breeder or a pet store to get that breed. They should have
gotten a mutt.
sighthounds & siberians
<summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:32:17 -0800 (PST), Bobs yer uncle wrote...
>
>> Some dogs are untrainable, mutt or purebred.
>
>You're much more likely to get an unbendable personality in a 'pure'
>(hah) dog than in a natural dog.
I'd like to see some evidence for that assertion.
Anthony Summers
> Humans have been domesticating
> and breeding dogs for thousands of years, so your idea that a
> particular type of dog is "better" because it is more "trainable"
> doesn't really make sense.
Do you seriously not see the self-contradiction in your words?
Bobs yer uncle
wrote:
Fucking talk like an adult for once, instead of the smug bullshit. If
you really have a point, walk me through it instead of being flip.
If you equate good dogs with good pets, then you might be consistent,
but there are dogs bred to herd, to hunt, to protect, to guard, to
ward off varmints and predators, and these dogs are fine helpers to
man, but not necessarily the family companion lovable man's best
friend.
Herding dogs do so out of instinct to a point, as do some hunting
dogs. Try to leash train a harrier when you're walking him and he
picks up a scent--you'd assume that he's untrainable, but in reality
he's doing exactly what he's meant to do, leading you towards prey.
Try to get certain herding breeds from nipping at the kids heels and
pushing and shoving, and you'll think they are untrainable, but they
are doing what they are bred to do--they need to be with sheep or
cattle instead of your kids.
After the fall of Communism, we had to import Alsatians (German
Shepherd dogs) from the Eastern Bloc, because we had bred all the
aggression out of them--it was impossible to train US bred police and
guard dogs to be consistently attack dogs.
I won't go on, but please continue to amaze us with your insight and
encyclopedic knowledge of sports, movies, food, skiing, swimming,
child rearing, dog training, etc.--you are indeed a polymath, as
another poster suggested.
Bobs yer uncle
I agree with you 100%, puppy mill animals are too often plagued with
problems, physical, mental, etc. You'll find that the AKC is working
with local law enforcement as well as legislatures to regulate and
eliminate puppy mills.
cshenk
BillyZoom wrote:
>> I respect your opinion when it applies to your own dogs. You are
>> looking for different things than I am. I enjoy the uniqueness of my
>> chihuahuas and their personalities. No mutt is going to act like my
>> boys, and I don't consider that a problem. The "real" breeders
>> represent such a small fraction of the dog births in this country that
> I agree with you 100%, puppy mill animals are too often plagued with
> problems, physical, mental, etc. You'll find that the AKC is working
> with local law enforcement as well as legislatures to regulate and
> eliminate puppy mills.
I agree too that the genuine puppy mill is a bad thing. I don't have the
same take on the small time breeder who lovingly raises a litter or 2 then
responsibly places them in good homes.
Although all my pets right now are 'non-pure breds', I have no objection to
a person being attracted the the looks and general predisposed habits that a
specific breed may have.
BillyZoom
The only problem with a small amatuer breeder is that they are doing
something that's more complicated than it seems. It's not just about
mating two pure bred dogs. Still, I wouldn't advocate preventing them
from doing it. I'm sure they enjoy it and in the grand scheme I don't
think they do any harm. So in general I agree with you.
Bobs yer uncle
The way it works in the world of AKC championship breeding is that
breeders don't always keep their champion contenders, but sell them
with huge contracts regarding any future breeding. This, of course,
only applies to "pet" type dogs--specialized breeds that make poor
companion animals (usually certain hunting, herding and guard dogs)
are almost entirely bred at kennels. For example, the beagle makes a
great family pet, but the other dogs in its line, the harrier, etc.,
are poor pets, but great hunters.
Our first Norfolk terrier bitch was co-owned by us, my wife's aunt,
and the owner of the stud that sired her, and although we kept her
intact, we didn't want to ship her off for breeding in California as
was required by our contract. She was nearly perfect, won her class
on confirmation alone even though she wasn't well trained to show.
Unfortunately, the rules required that a minimum number of dogs
compete in order to gain points, and we weren't willing to hire a
handler and ship her off to a state where there was enough dogs to get
a championship.
OTOH, our current Samoyed has nearly perfect confirmation--he's
beautiful and perfectly proportioned, but his eye ring lacks pigment
in one spot, a critical imperfection that precludes us from ever using
him to breed, so our contract specified that we have him neutered by
the time he was 18 months, which we did. (I would never own a
breeding quality male because I don't like to own intact males--too
much roaming and aggression.)
Our current Norfolk bitch is still intact, but I doubt we'll breed
her, and we will probably have her spayed for the health benefits.
Jim Manson
>On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:32:17 -0800 (PST), Bobs yer uncle wrote...
>
>> Some dogs are untrainable, mutt or purebred.
>
>You're much more likely to get an unbendable personality in a 'pure'
>(hah) dog than in a natural dog.
Evidence please.
BillyZoom
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Well, you clearly know a lot more about this than I do. The only rule
in my house is that all dogs are sterilized. And no dog will be
abandoned. If most people would follow those two rules, the shelter
problems would be greatly lessened. In my opinion (and I've already
said your opinion carries more weight, so feel free to correct me) if
dog breeding were confined to people who have a genuine interest, we'd
be in much better shape. There are plenty of "accidents" to supply the
mutt needs. Pure bred dogs coming from someone who does it for fun or
does it out of passion and makes a modest "profit" to continue their
passion are fine. It's when it becomes an industry that we get
problems.
Of course, the root of the problem is that families LOVE puppies. Not
all of them like dogs.
BillyZoom
I don't have any evidence, but I agree with him. I've had enough dogs
to know how to train them. My Chihuahuas still act like the Chihuahuas
that they describe in the books when they say "if you don't like this
tendency, don't get a chihuahua".
sam
@o16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, meda...@gmail.com says...
I don't understand the allure of Chihuahuas. Evidence please.
s
BillyZoom
> In article <cbbb0382-7b92-423d-9ab7-0a462d24ed00
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> > On Feb 21, 12:45 pm, Jim Manson <J...@Manson.com> wrote:
> > > Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:32:17 -0800 (PST), Bobs yer uncle wrote...
>
> > > >> Some dogs are untrainable, mutt or purebred.
>
> > > >You're much more likely to get an unbendable personality in a 'pure'
> > > >(hah) dog than in a natural dog.
>
> > > Evidence please.
>
> > I don't have any evidence, but I agree with him. I've had enough dogs
> > to know how to train them. My Chihuahuas still act like the Chihuahuas
> > that they describe in the books when they say "if you don't like this
> > tendency, don't get a chihuahua".
>
> I don't understand the allure of Chihuahuas. Evidence please.
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Heh. My grandfather had one (1970s) and that little guy was so devoted
to him. They're tiny but fierce, and extremely loyal. They are
perfectly content to sit on your lap all day and they're small enough
that it doesn't bug you. They tend to imprint on one or two people and
are very loving to those people. If you bring them to bed, they burrow
under the covers and cling to you. Not daring to move so as not to end
the moment. They lick your face til you can't stand anymore. I would
not encourage anyone to own one. They are not for everyone. I just
wanted one all my adult life. I could never do it because of having a
kid and other dogs. When they opportunity presented itself I had the
chance to get brothers. Since I still work, it's great because they
keep each other company. The down sides are real - extreme jealousy,
even when dealing with each other. They bark at their reflections in
windows. They can't go outside much because certain animals and birds
consider them prey. They are very clingy if they imprint on you. They
are fearless, even when it is obvious they are going to lose (to
another dog, say). And when they do lose a fight, they screech like
little girls even if they're not really hurt. They seem to never
really sleep. When they're sleeping, they keep their ears up like
bats. If there's a sound, an ear will rotate to that direction. If
it's a big noise, they're up barking. But when I come home and see
them spinning around in joy, I know I made the right decision and
think about my grandfather.
Evidence enough?
cshenk
"cshenk" wrote:
>> I agree too that the genuine puppy mill is a bad thing. I don't have the
>> same take on the small time breeder who lovingly raises a litter or 2
>> then
>> responsibly places them in good homes.
>> Although all my pets right now are 'non-pure breds', I have no objection
>> to
>> a person being attracted the the looks and general predisposed habits
>> that a
>> specific breed may have.
> The only problem with a small amatuer breeder is that they are doing
> something that's more complicated than it seems. It's not just about
> mating two pure bred dogs. Still, I wouldn't advocate preventing them
> from doing it. I'm sure they enjoy it and in the grand scheme I don't
> think they do any harm. So in general I agree with you.
I don't think automatically that a small time breeder is an amatuer. Yes,
they generally just have a litter or so and are more careful to control the
mating (ensure not brother and sister etc).
There's one down the street from me who used to do this. English bull dogs.
Lovely animals. They are too old now for more breeding (I know of 2 sets
and they waited til she was past I think it was 2 heats but may have been
more, then there was a hiatus of a year? before the next set). Their pups
are sprinkled about several local homes with responsible owners who know not
to breed the pups back to any local english bull dogs. In fact, I believe
they've all be spayed/neutered.
We live in an area where almost every house has a dog or a dog and some
cats. Local opinion of an un-neutered pet owner is low except in rare
cases. Like when we had to wait for my Cash-pup to be healthy enough after
heartworms. It was finally done, but only because the vet said the risk
from him getting all 'happy' at the rare bitch who hadn't been yet, was
higher than the surgery. (Heart damage, his procedure was done by the
doggie cardiologist and yes, he's worth every penny it cost me to have it
done that way).
A big thing the neighbors used to explain to any and all who would listen is
you have to be real careful with some breeds. They are often inbred already
so various medical conditions can occur even with the most care.
Re-inbreeding brother and sister is very bad and that's the thing they said
puppy farms do?
BillyZoom
I don't really disagree with you.
cshenk
> OTOH, our current Samoyed has nearly perfect confirmation--he's
> beautiful and perfectly proportioned, but his eye ring lacks pigment
> in one spot, a critical imperfection that precludes us from ever using
> him to breed, so our contract specified that we have him neutered by
> the time he was 18 months, which we did. (I would never own a
> breeding quality male because I don't like to own intact males--too
> much roaming and aggression.)
Oh, I had a pedigreed cat who had issues. Similar if you do not mind the
tail? Roscoe the Himalayan. He came to us from a totally reputable show
cat level breeder and he had apparently a very impressive bloodline, but he
was the runt. The breed has 'issues' and his was called 'failure to
thrive'. He was *not* to be bred. Anyways, rather than have the runts put
to sleep, the breeder would find them good homes with understanding that
they were not to be bred. Roscoe was duely neutered as soon as the vet said
it was safe.
I knew in advance and was warned many times, it would be a miracle if he saw
his 5th birthday. He just needed a home for as long as he could last and we
were willing. As you might have guessed, he lived alot longer with good
care and no stress. Mr Roscoe finally crossed the rainbow bridge at age 14
shortly after his lifelong kitty lady crossed at age 15. I'm sure he'd have
made it longer if she had, but such can be the way of things when raised as
kittens together. (Face, because she had one of those 'Faces' you never
forget, was a non-pedigree foundling kitty).
BillyZoom
I just wanted to comment on the "Rainbow Bridge". I have had many dogs
die and every time my vet sends a card with that poem. And it always
means a lot to me.
sam
@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, meda...@gmail.com says...
Yes, sir. Finely done. I just got a Golden Retriever pup. Awesome
little guy.
s
Unclaimed Mysteries
I'm pretty indifferent to Chihuahuas, but this was a great post. Thanks.
-cls
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BillyZoom
> In article <7a532959-3d66-4dc7-8d9c-c1459e14d115
> @f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, medav...@gmail.com says...
Thanks. My Golden died a couple of years ago. He was a joy and eager
to please even when he was dying. Enjoy your pup. As someone else
said, for a Golden puppyhood lasts about three years. When he's
wearing out your patience, try to remember what a gift that is.
BillyZoom
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> What Does A Yellow Light Mean?http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/blog- Hide quoted text -
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Thank you. I rarely get to tell that story and it means a lot to me.
cshenk
"cshenk" wrote:
>> care and no stress. Mr Roscoe finally crossed the rainbow bridge at age
>> 14
>> shortly after his lifelong kitty lady crossed at age 15. I'm sure he'd
>> have
> I just wanted to comment on the "Rainbow Bridge". I have had many dogs
> die and every time my vet sends a card with that poem. And it always
> means a lot to me.
It's a sadness that we live longer but also a fact.
cshenk
Jim Manson wrote:
> I don't have any evidence, but I agree with him. I've had enough dogs
> to know how to train them. My Chihuahuas still act like the Chihuahuas
> that they describe in the books when they say "if you don't like this
> tendency, don't get a chihuahua".
Exactly. Although a dog can vary quite widely off of that due to either
personaility or training, it's a reasonable bet that a herding dog will want
to 'herd' a bit (can cause them to be a bit nippy) or a scent hound will
brainlessly run after a new interesting smell. Training can help alot to
socialize them to our needs (Dogs always want to please their 'pack
leader').
I'm about to add a second dog here. We are looking at a lovely lady who's
part pitbull but mixed with something much smaller. She *likes* cats as
playmates and other dogs. She's only 37 lbs (not underweight, just
smaller).
cshenk
Jim Manson wrote:
> I don't have any evidence, but I agree with him. I've had enough dogs
> to know how to train them. My Chihuahuas still act like the Chihuahuas
> that they describe in the books when they say "if you don't like this
> tendency, don't get a chihuahua".
Exactly. Although a dog can vary quite widely off of that due to either
Jaybyrd
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:39:28 -0800 (PST), Jaybyrd
>
>
>
>
>
> <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 18, 10:19 pm, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:45:04 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta
>
> >> <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 18, 2:32 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:> >> >> How do Breeders kill shelter dogs?
>
> >> >The inference is that for every dog that is bought from a breeder is
> >> >one less dog who will be rescued from the pound.
>
> >> Which, of course, is not true.
>
> >I've been in mutt dog shelters and I tell you, it's a sad sight.
> >Shame on those snobby "pure" dogs that turn up their noses at the poor
> >poodlehounds and boradors!
>
> Yeah, well, it's not purebred dog lovers who bred the mutts - or the
> purebreds - that end up in the shelter.
that's the point isn't it? A purebread "lover" is a mutt "hater"
sighthounds & siberians
No, not at all. By the way, it's purebred, not purebread. Bread is
food.
I like mixed breed dogs, but I prefer to have purebreds. Since a dog
requires an investment of money and time for 10-15 years, I believe
people have the right to choose the dog they feel is right for them.
Most of my dogs are rescues and I have been active in rescue for 15
years. My choices do not cause dogs to end up in, or die in,
shelters. Irresponsible breeders and owners cause that. For example:
Jaybyrd
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:06:20 -0800 (PST), Jaybyrd
>
>
>
>
>
> <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 20, 10:15 am, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:39:28 -0800 (PST), Jaybyrd
>
> >> <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 18, 10:19 pm, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:45:04 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta
>
> >> >> <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Feb 18, 2:32 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Feb 18, 9:51 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > Mutts rule
>
> >> >> >> How do Breeders kill shelter dogs?
>
> >> >> >The inference is that for every dog that is bought from a breeder is
> >> >> >one less dog who will be rescued from the pound.
>
> >> >> Which, of course, is not true.
>
> >> >I've been in mutt dog shelters and I tell you, it's a sad sight.
> >> >Shame on those snobby "pure" dogs that turn up their noses at the poor
> >> >poodlehounds and boradors!
>
> >> Yeah, well, it's not purebred dog lovers who bred the mutts - or the
> >> purebreds - that end up in the shelter.
>
> >that's the point isn't it? A purebread "lover" is a mutt "hater"
>
> No, not at all. By the way, it's purebred, not purebread. Bread is
> food.
>
Purebread is just an homynim of the same word. It's used quite
widely.
No big dead but I'm pretty sure the root comes from the same place.
Just like when you mix wheat and barley breads its the same with
huskys and beagles.
> I like mixed breed dogs, but I prefer to have purebreds. Since a dog
> requires an investment of money and time for 10-15 years, I believe
> people have the right to choose the dog they feel is right for them.
> Most of my dogs are rescues and I have been active in rescue for 15
> years. My choices do not cause dogs to end up in, or die in,
> shelters. Irresponsible breeders and owners cause that. For example:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Daz6_pWLo- Hide quoted text -
>
You are a good man concerning the rescue dogs. I'm not talking about
good people like you though.
sighthounds & siberians
<jayby...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> No, not at all. � By the way, it's purebred, not purebread. �Bread is
>> food.
>>
>
>Purebread is just an homynim of the same word. It's used quite
>widely.
By whom? A better example of homonyms is boar and bore, since
purebread isn't an actual word.
>No big dead but I'm pretty sure the root comes from the same place.
>Just like when you mix wheat and barley breads its the same with
>huskys and beagles.
If you say so.
>
>> I like mixed breed dogs, but I prefer to have purebreds. �Since a dog
>> requires an investment of money and time for 10-15 years, I believe
>> people have the right to choose the dog they feel is right for them.
>> Most of my dogs are rescues and I have been active in rescue for 15
>> years. �My choices do not cause dogs to end up in, or die in,
>> shelters. �Irresponsible breeders and owners cause that. �For example:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Daz6_pWLo- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
>You are a good man concerning the rescue dogs. I'm not talking about
>good people like you though.
I'm not actually a man at all. And my point is that any preson has
the right to choose the dog s/he prefers, whether mutt or purebred,
and that choosing to buy a dog from a responsible breeder does not
cause the deaths of dogs in shelters.
Dutch
"lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote
On Feb 18, 12:45 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2:32 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 18, 9:51 am, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mutts rule
>
> > How do Breeders kill shelter dogs?
>
> The inference is that for every dog that is bought from a breeder is
> one less dog who will be rescued from the pound.
I have a dog from a breeder, is jaybird implying I killed a pound dog?
_______>
It's not really a fair moral equation, but you can look at it that way. A
pound dog is also a purebred dog that may go unwanted..
Janet Boss
<7daa1b85-a0bd-4fb8...@a1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also, someone who would buy from a breeder would not consider a rescue
> mutt.
Where do you get this? I have 3 dogs currently. The oldest is a
shelter mutt, acquired as an adult. She's 13 now. The next is a
purebred, but a shelter reject and adoptee from breed rescue. He's
almost 5 now. The third is a purebred puppy purchase. She's now 2. She
"replaced" another purebred puppy purchase who had passed away. Both of
an uncommon breed that is fortunately very rarely found in rescue. A
shelter cat rounds out the household.
Responsible breeders are not the cause of overpopulation or dogs being
in shelters.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Janet Boss
<f4f89730-9d15-454f...@b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Tom Enright <freddy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 12:51�pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Mutts rule
>
> Dogs from breeders are bread to look a certain way. Violently
> unstable? Untrainable? So what? It LOOKS good.
>
> Mutts >>>>>> Pure breads.
>
> -Tom Enright
Do they use yeast?
Which pureBRED dogs are violently unstable and untrainable?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Janet Boss
<b43b831f-453e-4927...@s17g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>,
Jaybyrd <jayby...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> that's the point isn't it? A purebread "lover" is a mutt "hater"
really? I'm not a big bread eater. I do like purebred dogs. I also
like mutts. Have both. Have for years. Damn, there goes your theory.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Jaybyrd
wrote:
> In article
> <f4f89730-9d15-454f-93b9-7c2854167...@b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 18, 12:51 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Mutts rule
>
> > Dogs from breeders are bread to look a certain way. Violently
> > unstable? Untrainable? So what? It LOOKS good.
>
> > Mutts >>>>>> Pure breads.
>
> > -Tom Enright
>
> Do they use yeast?
>
as stated in the other part of this thread, the words are from the
same root. The German word "laib" or bread is where the laborador
retreiver got its name (just as one example).
BillyZoom
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ahh, the elusive Loaf of Bread Retriever. Quite distinct from the
Laborador Retriever, known for his ability to Labor in the fields.
Then there's the Labrador Retriever...
sighthounds & siberians
No. Breeding is not the same as bread. The German word for bread is
brot. Laib means loaf. The Labrador retriever (not laborador
retreiver) did not get its name from the German name for bread or
loaf. It is not a German breed. It got is name from its area of
origin.
Sheesh. Where do people come up with this stuff?
Char
> In article
> <7daa1b85-a0bd-4fb8...@a1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> xyzzy<xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Also, someone who would buy from a breeder would not consider a rescue
>> mutt.
>
> Where do you get this? I have 3 dogs currently.
Poor dogs.