Re: SEEKING Goldedoodle or Labradoodle breeders in Montreal area
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
lyin anonymHOWES dog abusin coward and life-long chronic
INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"news" <ne...@news.de> wrote in message news:he4o8p$8qj$1...@aioe.org...
>
> "meteore" <bigr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b4581283-0af1-44f6...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am interested in one of the above. I live in a condo and want a non
>> shedding, quiet and even tempered and affectionate dog on the small
>> side if they exist.,
>
> That would most certainly NOT be the mixed breed mutt ending in -doodle.
Sez you, news? You're full of CRAP.
> one that does not require the presence of a Canadian "Cesar Millan", if
> they exist.
Oh, they EXXXIST alrighty; they're dog abusin COWARDS an PANSIES.
> I wished there were one.
INDEED? You think you ought to ABUSE your dog to train IT?
>> From the few I have seen on the street, these breed fits my
>> requirements. I have time to take the dog out about five times a day.
Doodle dogs are a EXXXCELLENT choice <{};~ ) >
>> I am not interested in paying a large amount for either
>> of these pets. my budget is approx $700.00
You'll find a NICE "Doodle" for half that price.
> Go to a shelter or rescue group
THAT'S where ILL BRED PROBLEM DOGS end up <{}: ~ ( >
> and spend far less for a mixed-breed dog
The so called SHELTERS SELL their dogs for full market prices.
> instead of buying one from a pet store or backyard breeder.
Competition is SCARY, ain't it, news?
> Ther eis no such thing as a responsible -doodle breeder.
You're a LIAR and a DOG ABUSIN COWARD an MENTAL PATIENT:
From: AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaborat...@HushMail.Com
Date: 12 Nov 2005
Subject: Re: A "few" questions about doodle dogs.
<snip>
> >> Doodles are just another mutt breed.
Yeah. Lots of folks are interested in Xbreeds. There's
a "service dog" training organization breeding X's and
some of the guide dog schools breed their own selectively
bred stock. It MIGHT make sense in some instances more
or less so in other cases.
> > Yes, they're a new mutt breed but all "pure" breeds were new mutts at
> > one time in their history. And read up on the first breeder of
> > labradoodles down in Australia and why he breed them.
Done that. Pretty good.
> >> That's a noble goal and not something anyone should disparage.
UNLESS they're your COMPETITION.
> > Read up on why that experiment failed -
The Labradoodle breeder of thirty years SEZ his
dogs are CONSISTENT. Shouldn't take too many
generations to perfect the coat.
> > the poodle mixes did not have either the low
> > maintenance coat or the appropriate temperament for the use they were
> > intended for, and those breedings ceased.
"When asked if he had any idea all those years
ago how popular the Labradoodle would become
he said "well I'm not that surprised. They're
incredible dogs,"Rutland Manor 15th February 2004.
> > The only folks breeding those dogs now are
> > puppymillers and backyard breeders.
The only thing missin is "Once Upon A Time".
> I haven't read anywhere that the experiment failed.
Here's the Australian breeder:
http://www.rutlandmanor.com/Site/History.aspx
"It was amazing" says Wally. " for every call wanting
a Labrador Retriever Guide Dog, there would be 20 or 30
calls wanting a Labradoodle. From 31 Labradoodle puppies
raised and trained, 29 passed as Guide Dogs."
Wally's Labradoodles were also placed into the prison
systems where they found a mission in life, helping
prisoners to rehabilitate.
A country vet named Kate Schoeffel living in Condoblyn
New South Wales was in close touch with Wally Conran
after his retirement and began crossing Miniature Poodles
with Labrador Retrievers and as of 2005 is still breeding
her Miniature first generation Labradoodles an back breeding
them to Poodles."
> Please give links to this information.
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
You're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE MENTAL CASES
for INFORMATION and ADVICE THEY AIN'T GOT.
> Scott Jensen
HERE'S HOWE COME dogs END UP GETTIN MURDERED in "SHELTERS":
From: "Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ \) >"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009
Subject: Re: electric dog collar
HOWEDY n...@news.de, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES dog abusin coward and PROBABLE life-long chronic
INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"news" <n...@news.de> wrote in message news:h8htlf$ouh$1...@aioe.org...
> "waldorfedu" <waldorf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<SNIP waldorfedu's IDIOCY>
<CONtinue waldorfedu's IDIOCY>
> So I need to urgently train him not to bark and as far as I can see my
> options are very limited and the only quick solution I can find is an
> electric dog collar. I have tried a collar that emits a sonic sound when
> he barks and it had no effect whatsoever so I need something that will
> change his behaviour and I need it quickly. Anyway who know about silkies
> will also know they are a tough, resilience breed so I need a collar and
> remote I can leave with my roommates to use while I am away.
<COMMENCE news.de's IDIOCY>
Rehome him. Find a Silky Terrier rescue group, and turn him over.
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You think GETTIN RID of dogs you ain't got
the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit is apupriate?
Here's more of your VALUABLE ADVICE:
Subject: Re: Vizsla Owner
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"Vizsla Lover" <> wrote in message
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> Is this thing on? Hi, this is Jean Axelrod from Philadelphia. I am the
> proud owner of Vizslas! I am looking forward to contributing to this
> group.
> Check out my two Vizsla Blogs:
So contribute something instead of spamming your ad-laden blogs.
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Subject: Re: Hi I just wanted to say hello to everyone here..
"news" <n...@news.de> wrote in message news:h5osnt$ka6$1...@aioe.org...
> "Britney Smith" <hotbeach...@gmail.com> wrote in Hi I just wanted to say
> hello to everyone here..
> I hope to be able to contribute and get to know ya all better.
Yea, right.
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Subject: Re: Dry Dog Food Prices Increasing
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> Has anybody noticed an increase in dry Dog Food Prices?
No , but I did notice that you are a lameass spammer.
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Subject: Re: Im The Best!!
"news" <n...@news.ne> wrote in message news:h37hje$lqt$1...@aioe.org...
"Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <0d29dad9-edcb-4af1-8d2a-147d5671e...@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Briana
> Nice <brianan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I know i just need time but the funny thing is that I have posted topics
>>about dogs and they don't get half as many replies as my other no dog
>>related topics.
> Okay, <plonk>. This person clearly has nothing of value to contribute,
> plus she plays with Paul. Just a shit-stirrer who's more interested in
> attention than dogs. Buh-bye!
I think my son knows a Briana Nice from school.
She's 15 or 16, if it's the same person.
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THANKS for all your VALUABLE ADVICE~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic
Life-Long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Janet Boss" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
news:janet-B7E345....@news.individual.net...
> In article
> <b4581283-0af1-44f6...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> meteore <bigr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am interested in one of the above. I live in a condo and want a non
>> shedding, quiet and even tempered and affectionate dog on the small
>> side if they exist., one that does not require the presence of a
>> Canadian "Cesar Millan", if they exist. I wished there were one.
>>
>> From the few I have seen on the street, these breed fits my
>> requirements. I have time to take the dog out about five times a day.
>>
>> I am not interested in paying a large amount for either of these pets.
>> my budget is approx $700.00
>>
>> I was also interested in a tibetan terrier, but price is too high and
>> with limited gene pool, there could be expensive vet fees later on.
>>
>> Meteore
>
> Doodles, as with most mixed breeds, are a crap shoot.
INDEED? Have you ever read up on "Doodle Dogs", janet?
> Many of them DO shed.
CITES PLEASE, janet? Have you studied up on the DOODLE DOGS'
GENETIC propensity to have "NON-DOODLE" hairstyles even after many
generations of SELECTIVE BREEDING, janet?
> Quiet? Some Goldens, Labs and Poodles are big barkers, some aren't.
That so, janet? EXXXCESSIVE BARKIN IS a SYMPTOM of SUMPTHIN
WRONG -- it's CAUSED BY your IMBECILLIC IDIOTIC INSANE CRUEL
and ABUSIVE "OBEDIENCE TRAININ", not some GENETIC PROPENSITY
to BARK.
ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> Some of it is a matter of training, some of it is inherent.
Sez you, janet? You're a FRAUD a LIAR a COWARD and Active Acute
Chronic Life-Long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE.
> While I've seen some doodles that were one of the retriever breeds mixed
> with a miniature (not toy) poodle, mst are mixed with Standard poodles.
Might THAT be on accHOWENTA they're predominately bred as WORKIN DOGS?
> IOW, not small by a long shot. Some are quite large.
INDEED? Might THAT be HOWE COME you HURT and INTIMIDATE them, janet?
LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
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AN LIKE THIS:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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> Why not just get a miniature Poodle?
You think workin with a pure bred dog is EZier than just jerkin
chokin shockin mutilatin an murderin any other breed, janet?
LIKE THIS:
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh
And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First
Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It",
mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."
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SEE?
AN LIKE THIS:
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
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SEE?
AN LIKE THIS:
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
LIKE THIS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal captain
arthur haggerty, USArmy K-9 Corps:
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.
LIKE THIS:
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of our FAQ'S pages at K9 WEB.
AN LIKE THIS:
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@lppi.ucsf.edu
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal sgt grant teebon, RAAF:
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level
Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him,
Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon,
RAAF.
lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.
Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.
if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"
==============
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER PAL an janet's
REAL LIFE IN PERSON "students" paul an Muttley:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER PAL an janet's
REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
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"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it, janet?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard