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Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 10:30:33 AM9/15/03
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I just wish it hadn't come at 5:45 in the morning, or in the way that it
did. It wasn't that long ago that I posted about how Khan has never
thrown up before. Well, now he has. The good news is, Khan signals to
let us know that he needs to puke. The bad news is that we weren't
nearly quick enough to get him out the door before he did. There was a
certain amount of urgency in his whining, but the logistics involved in
getting dressed, hunting around for collars, leashes, etc. took entirely
too much time.

Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up? Called
the vet, and they said to keep an eye on him, not feed him till this
evening, and to call them again if he throws up some more, or acts
lethargic. There was a little bit of dark stuff in his vomit, which may
be the toad he mouthed last night before bed time. It is also possible
that it is a little bit of blood. He basically wants to sleep a lot -
no problem with walking or anything, just doesn't seem to want to exert
himself, and didn't bug me for food. I really wish I knew what brought
this on.

Suja

Kind2dogs

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Sep 15, 2003, 10:40:04 AM9/15/03
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>Subject: You learn something new everyday
>From: Suja span...@scs.gmu.edu
>Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003 10:30 AM
>Message-id: <45k9b.14535$pe.4415@lakeread06>

>
>
>I just wish it hadn't come at 5:45 in the morning, or in the way that it
>
>did. It wasn't that long ago that I posted about how Khan has never
>thrown up before. Well, now he has. The good news is, Khan signals to
>
>let us know that he needs to puke. The bad news is that we weren't
>nearly quick enough to get him out the door before he did. There was a
>
>certain amount of urgency in his whining, but the logistics involved in
>
>getting dressed, hunting around for collars, leashes, etc. took entirely
>
>too much time.

Get up earlier. : )

>Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up?

Look at him, check to see that all is OK.Look at the throw up.

> Called
>the vet, and they said to keep an eye on him, not feed him till this
>evening, and to call them again if he throws up some more, or acts
>lethargic. There was a little bit of dark stuff in his vomit, which may
>
>be the toad he mouthed last night before bed time.

Oohhhh now that could be the problem.

> It is also possible
>
>that it is a little bit of blood. He basically wants to sleep a lot -
>no problem with walking or anything, just doesn't seem to want to exert
>
>himself, and didn't bug me for food. I really wish I knew what brought
>
>this on.
>
>Suja

I think you should bring him to the vet.
There is throw up and then there is throwup.

Blood in throw up isn't a good thing,as you know. Also The toad could have
poisoned him.


What do his gums look like?


Paulette~


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Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 10:52:27 AM9/15/03
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Kind2dogs wrote:

> Get up earlier. : )

Not a morning person, Paulette. And when you've been up till 3:00 in
the morning or so for the past few days, getting up that early can be a
real problem.

> Oohhhh now that could be the problem.

Thankfully, no poisonous toads in this region, it seems. It may have
irritated him slightly, but definitely not enough to cause serious damage.

> Blood in throw up isn't a good thing,as you know. Also The toad could have
> poisoned him.

Talked to the vet again. His gums are pink, the amount of blood (if
that's what it was) was miniscule and brown. He said to watch him, and
if he doesn't act more energetic (there's a car ride coming up, so we'll
see) by this evening, to bring him in.

> What do his gums look like?

His gums are mostly very dark, so it's hard to tell, but what there is
that is light in color looks pink.

Suja

Melinda Shore

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Sep 15, 2003, 10:47:19 AM9/15/03
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In article <45k9b.14535$pe.4415@lakeread06>,

Suja <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote:
>Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up?

Clean up.

My dogs rarely puke, and when they do I take a look at what
came up, the dog's overall demeanor (does he seem generally
out-of-sorts or is he behaving normally?), and water
consumption when deciding whether or not to call the vet.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com

I'm walking the dog, all day and all night

culprit

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Sep 15, 2003, 10:57:11 AM9/15/03
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"Suja" <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up? Called
> the vet, and they said to keep an eye on him, not feed him till this
> evening, and to call them again if he throws up some more, or acts
> lethargic. There was a little bit of dark stuff in his vomit, which may
> be the toad he mouthed last night before bed time. It is also possible
> that it is a little bit of blood. He basically wants to sleep a lot -
> no problem with walking or anything, just doesn't seem to want to exert
> himself, and didn't bug me for food. I really wish I knew what brought
> this on.

i'd go with what your vet says. i've had the misfortune to deal with plenty
of puppy puke lately, and most of the time, it's a one day thing, not much
of a big deal. keep an eye on his poop, note the consistency, color,
frequency, etc in case a trip to the vet is in order. i'd hold off on the
morning feeding (sounds like he's not too hungry anyway), and make sure he
gets plenty to drink. you might go buy some unflavored "pedalyte" (sp?) to
make sure his electrolytes don't get out of whack. tired but still willing
to go for a walk is probably ok. if he gets to the point where he won't get
up and move when asked, i'd definitely take him to the vet. for dinner, you
might try something bland (chicken baby food, or chicken or hamburger and
rice will work). you also might entice him with some chicken broth if he
won't eat.

if he continues to throw up, i'd take him in quick, if only to avoid
dehydration. if there's runny poop, i'd take him in (with a sample), and if
he's still acting funky tomorrow i'd take him in. otherwise, he'll probably
sleep it off.

-kelly
not a vet, don't sue me if i'm wrong.


Emily Carroll

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Sep 15, 2003, 11:00:59 AM9/15/03
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> Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up?

Determine why they puked. Usually, it's because they ate too fast. (i.e.
no longer than 1/2 hr. after eating, and it's all food). If so, I just
clean it up. It also occasionally happens because the cat honked up a
hairball and they ate it (cats are very good at hiding hairballs.)

If not, I watch them and if they do it again, I call the vet, a trusted
breeder friend, or a friend who is in her 2nd year of vet school (depending
on how serious I think it might be).

~Emily


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shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 11:13:55 AM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Suja wrote:

>Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up?

depends on the dog, the quality of the vomit, and the
frequency.

>Called the vet, and they said to keep an eye on him, not feed
>him till this evening, and to call them again if he throws up
>some more, or acts lethargic.

...

>He basically wants to sleep a lot - no problem with walking
>or anything, just doesn't seem to want to exert himself, and
>didn't bug me for food. I really wish I knew what brought
>this on.

did you tell the vet he doesn't want to do anything but sleep?
that sounds like lethargy to me. it's hard to guess about
someone else's dog, especially from afar, but if he's acting
oddly enough that you're concerned, he's probably acting oddly
enough for a trip to the vet. better safe than sorry, right?
i hope it's nothing and that he's back to chasing eeevil
critters ASAP.

--
shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette

Julia Altshuler

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Sep 15, 2003, 12:15:14 PM9/15/03
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For future-- If Khan signals that he needs to throw up when you're not
dressed or ready to get him outside quickly, get him into the bathroom
where he can throw up in the shower. Showers are easy to clean-- paper
towels for the solid, run the show for the liquid.

Naturally you'll follow your vet's advice, but you also asked what I do
when my dog throws up. In my case, nothing. Cubbe (and Genny way back
when used to) gets a little doggie stomach upset now and then. It's
always brief, always clear yellow bile, never associated with any other
symptoms. If there were blood or other symptoms or if it persisted, I'd
call the vet.

--Lia

Kind2dogs

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Sep 15, 2003, 12:20:36 PM9/15/03
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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: Suja span...@scs.gmu.edu
>Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003 10:52 AM
>Message-id: <Cpk9b.14621$pe.12825@lakeread06>

>
>Kind2dogs wrote:
>
>> Get up earlier. : )
>
>Not a morning person, Paulette. And when you've been up till 3:00 in
>the morning or so for the past few days, getting up that early can be a
>
>real problem.


How come up so late? Partying? I have been known to do that on occassion. ; )

Oh I am up before daylight, BUT I go to bed by nine and fast asleep within the
half hour, and I love NAPS. : )


>
>> Oohhhh now that could be the problem.
>
>Thankfully, no poisonous toads in this region, it seems.

GOOD!

>It may have
>irritated him slightly, but definitely not enough to cause serious damage.

How does his poop look?

>
>> Blood in throw up isn't a good thing,as you know. Also The toad could
>have
>> poisoned him.
>
>Talked to the vet again. His gums are pink, the amount of blood (if
>that's what it was) was miniscule and brown. He said to watch him, and
>
>if he doesn't act more energetic (there's a car ride coming up, so we'll
>
>see) by this evening, to bring him in.
>
>> What do his gums look like?
>
>His gums are mostly very dark, so it's hard to tell, but what there is
>that is light in color looks pink.


Press on his gums and then let go. See if it is white and how fast the pink
comes back.

>Suja

All Good Thoughts

Paulette~

Manadero

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Sep 15, 2003, 12:25:13 PM9/15/03
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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: Julia Altshuler jalts...@comcast.net
>Date: 9/15/2003 12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <mAl9b.264846$2x.7...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>

All great advice, so I won't repeat it :)

However, wanted to piggyback on Lia's post..

>For future-- If Khan signals that he needs to throw up when you're not
>dressed or ready to get him outside quickly, get him into the bathroom
>where he can throw up in the shower.

Want to second this :) Once the urka gurkas begin, I just rush them to the
closest cleanable area (bathroom, kitchen, etc.) or, if you're too far away,
look for something within reach (a newspaper, towel, etc.) that you can shove
under them, especially if you've got carpet (eeewww)

Robin

Gwen Watson

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Sep 15, 2003, 12:33:39 PM9/15/03
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Manadero wrote:

> >Want to second this :) Once the urka gurkas begin, I just rush them to the
> closest cleanable area (bathroom, kitchen, etc.) or, if you're too far away,
> look for something within reach (a newspaper, towel, etc.) that you can shove
> under them, especially if you've got carpet (eeewww)
>
> Robin

Yep! I need to remember this one, especially since cleaning up any vomit
be it dog/cat/human will automatically make me vomit on top of what is
already there. It isn't pretty. I don't have a weak stomach for poop
or most any thing else. But vomit does me in, everytime. Even
if I see it in a parking lot I start heaving.

Gwen

FurPaw

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Sep 15, 2003, 12:58:35 PM9/15/03
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Thirded. I've ruined quite a few newspapers and magazines over the years
with dog puke.

If the puke is repeated or looks bloody or "unusual" I'd call the vet. My
dogs mostly puke up clear (rarely) or right after they've inhaled their
food too fast (also rare). One time Oppie table surfed a box of Jordan
almonds (almonds with a sugar shell) - which I discovered when he horked it
up on the carpet. (I wasn't quick enough...) TMI warning... The puke
contained a bunch of whole almonds - the sugar shells had dissolved. I
guess he swallowed them whole.

FurPaw

--
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To reply, unleash the dog.

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 1:10:18 PM9/15/03
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mana...@aol.comnospam (Manadero) wrote in
news:20030915122513...@mb-m06.aol.com:

>
> Want to second this :) Once the urka gurkas begin, I just rush them
> to the closest cleanable area (bathroom, kitchen, etc.) or, if you're
> too far away, look for something within reach (a newspaper, towel,
> etc.) that you can shove under them, especially if you've got carpet
> (eeewww)

No kidding. We've just moved house, and the 80/20 rule is in effect for
the unpacking. The remaining 20% of the boxes are the ones that are
proving to be awful to unpack.

Teena "helped," though. She showed me which box has the Easter candy,
marshmallow peeps, and other delectables in it. She showed me by
breaking into the box while we were out and strewing wrappers and peeps
everywhere. (I have never actually given a Peep to the kids - my 6yo
came downstairs to announce that Teena had been into, um, "something,
Mum." "What is it, sweetie?" "I just don't know how to describe it
Mummy. I just don't know.")

I thought all was (relatively) well until I was in bed that night. Teena
came up to the side of the bed, looked me in the eye, and puked
sugarydogvomitgoop, complete with wrappers, onto the white carpet. Jeez.
Mutter, mutter, curse, curse, turn dog out, clean up as much as possible,
put dog in crate for night, go to bed.

Next morning, I went down, turned dogs out, went to make their breakfast,
and walked right out of a slipper when it stuck to the floor. That was
the *other* place where Teena deposited half-digested Easter gook.

I'm now calculating the point when buying a rug cleaner is more
economical than renting the Rug Doctor. Over and over.

Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum cleaner in
the world for houses with a mix of carpet and hardwood and dogs?

Kate, whose old house had fir floors and throw rugs.

Alison Perera

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Sep 15, 2003, 1:21:58 PM9/15/03
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In article <Xns93F767B5DB511ar...@130.133.1.4>,
KWBrown <arfenar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum cleaner in
> the world for houses with a mix of carpet and hardwood and dogs?

I love my Oreck. Zips up every bit of tumbleweed German Shedder hair
from the corners on the hardwood; zips out the spilled cat litter from
the cracks in the hardwood; does a simply amazing job getting said
German Shedder hair out of the carpeting *on the first pass!*

-Alison in OH

Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 1:29:04 PM9/15/03
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Julia Altshuler wrote:

> For future-- If Khan signals that he needs to throw up when you're not
> dressed or ready to get him outside quickly, get him into the bathroom
> where he can throw up in the shower. Showers are easy to clean-- paper
> towels for the solid, run the show for the liquid.

I have to remember this should this come up again. Problem is that half
the time, Khan runs downstairs ahead of us, and goes to the door. But,
if we go elsewhere in search of his leash, he'll follow us, so this
time, he did most of the throwing up on my family room carpet. I poured
some of that Nature's Miracle runny stuff cleaner upper on it, but it
apparently was not enough, so I keep adding more to make that clean-up
easier.

*sigh* That carpet needed to be steam cleaned anyway.

Suja

Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 1:34:03 PM9/15/03
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Gwen Watson wrote:
> or most any thing else. But vomit does me in, everytime. Even
> if I see it in a parking lot I start heaving.

I am generally the same way Gwen, but this one wasn't so bad. It just
smelled like dog food, and came out a lot goopier than it was when it
went in.

Suja

Gwen Watson

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Sep 15, 2003, 1:30:21 PM9/15/03
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Suja wrote:

Yeah it does depend. Clovis got sick on what little carpeting we have left
in the house
not long ago. It was nasty and I definitely vomited on top of her vomit
before I ever
managed to clean it all up. Not to mention running to the toilet at least
2 times in
between to be sick myself.

Reznor was sick yesterday because he wolfed down his breakfast too fast.
It was
easy to clean. Nothing to it. And I didn't gag once.

Gwen

Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 1:59:18 PM9/15/03
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KWBrown wrote:

> Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum cleaner in
> the world for houses with a mix of carpet and hardwood and dogs?

I don't think it is recommended that you steam clean the dogs ;-) But,
this one has come up several times before, and essentially, 10 different
people have 20 different opinions (surprise!).

I have a Hoover SteamVac Deluxe, and it works like a charm on my light
colored carpets. When I actually get around to using it, which isn't
all that frequent.

Suja

KWBrown

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Alison Perera <ask...@cwru.edu.invalid> wrote in news:ask.me-
432EB0.132...@eeyore.ins.cwru.edu:

Thanks for the recommendation!

Kate

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 2:18:12 PM9/15/03
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Suja <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in
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> KWBrown wrote:
>
>> Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum cleaner
>> in the world for houses with a mix of carpet and hardwood and dogs?
>
> I don't think it is recommended that you steam clean the dogs ;-)

New resolution. Must get the grammar thing under control :-)

> But,
> this one has come up several times before, and essentially, 10
> different people have 20 different opinions (surprise!).

Oh, well. Maybe I should give up now and label the thread OT before it
drifts into Best Refrigerators.


> I have a Hoover SteamVac Deluxe, and it works like a charm on my light
> colored carpets. When I actually get around to using it, which isn't
> all that frequent.

Many thanks.

Kate

Rocky

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:06:34 PM9/15/03
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Gwen Watson said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> Reznor was sick yesterday because he wolfed down his
> breakfast too fast. It was easy to clean.

It's even easier if you let the dog do it for you, at least in
the case of an undigested meal.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Melinda Shore

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:10:21 PM9/15/03
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>Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum cleaner in
>the world for houses with a mix of carpet and hardwood and dogs?

I haven't ever seen any kind of consensus, but the
top-of-the-line Kenmore canister vacuum works just fine in
my four-husky household. The one time I had to take it in
for repair was completely my fault (I let the bag become
*way* overfilled). It also comes with a mini-powerhead,
which is nice for furniture.

Cate

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:16:06 PM9/15/03
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"Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't ever seen any kind of consensus, but the
> top-of-the-line Kenmore canister vacuum works just fine in
> my four-husky household. The one time I had to take it in
> for repair was completely my fault (I let the bag become
> *way* overfilled). It also comes with a mini-powerhead,
> which is nice for furniture.

We recently bought that one, after the Sears salesperson told us it was the
most highly rated in Consumer Reports. Desperate, we bought it without
checking her story, but we've been very happy with its fur pickup abilities
so far.

Except for that day it was blowing the blood-laden seed ticks everywhere.
But I don't think any vacuum would've handled that gracefully.

Cate


Rocky

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:16:48 PM9/15/03
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KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> I'm now calculating the point when buying a rug cleaner is
> more economical than renting the Rug Doctor.

I've seen this Canadian Tire product advertised on TV and I've
been thinking of getting one:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U139328E5

I think that you should try it on Peeped carpets - if it works,
then I'll buy one.

shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:17:51 PM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Rocky wrote:

>It's even easier if you let the dog do it for you, at least
>in the case of an undigested meal.

yabbut, then the other dog thinks it's getting hosed by not
getting a treat.

Marcel Beaudoin

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:19:54 PM9/15/03
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Rocky <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in
news:Xns93F788292C896au...@rocky-dog.com:

> I've seen this Canadian Tire product advertised on TV and I've
> been thinking of getting one:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U139328E5
>
> I think that you should try it on Peeped carpets - if it works,
> then I'll buy one.

We have something similar to this (I will check the brand when I get home).
It works pretty good. If we have something that needs this, we (I<g>) end
up using Nature's Miracle, followed by this. It does not heat up as good as
the industrial sized ones, but is pretty good for small areas. It does get
pretty hot, more than likely hot enough to denature the proteins
(pheremones??) that dog pee contains.

--
*******************************************
Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli
marcela...@hotmail.com
*******************************************
'And on the 8th day, God created dog.'
*******************************************

shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:24:07 PM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, KWBrown wrote:

>Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum
>cleaner in the world for houses with a mix of carpet and
>hardwood and dogs?

i've got a 12yo cheap-o Dust Devil that's still working great.
i only have one hairy dog (a Chow mix with an unholy
undercoat), but i've also got three cats who shed quite a bit.
not too shabby for a $50 vacuum.

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:25:41 PM9/15/03
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> KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


>
>> I'm now calculating the point when buying a rug cleaner is
>> more economical than renting the Rug Doctor.
>
> I've seen this Canadian Tire product advertised on TV and I've
> been thinking of getting one:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U139328E5

The link is busted. I just got dropped at CT's English or French? page.
What's the product?

> I think that you should try it on Peeped carpets - if it works,
> then I'll buy one.

That's really, really big of you :-)

I RugDoctored the Peeps out of the rug upstairs, but that, and the bottle
of RugDoctorSoap that I always end up buying because I can't remember
whether I have any at home (Yes, I do) cost me $40. As of bedtime, all I
could smell was Damp Wooly Carpet. We'll see how it is tonight.

Kate

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:30:59 PM9/15/03
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Marcel Beaudoin <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:Xns93F79C17F904Cmb...@130.133.1.4:

>> I think that you should try it on Peeped carpets - if it works,
>> then I'll buy one.
>
> We have something similar to this (I will check the brand when I get
> home). It works pretty good. If we have something that needs this, we
> (I<g>) end up using Nature's Miracle, followed by this. It does not
> heat up as good as the industrial sized ones, but is pretty good for
> small areas. It does get pretty hot, more than likely hot enough to
> denature the proteins (pheremones??) that dog pee contains.

Hey, Marcel:

Read again: My dog did not pee the carpets. She PeePed the carpet. Pee
just smells bad. PeeP smells bad and then everything sticks to it and
the carpet turns yellow and the kids swear up and down they will never
ever ever eat that gooky thing and why did I buy them anyhow?

See? Something good comes out of every one of life's challenges.

Totally OT: My French-Immersion kids are getting better at French than I
am. My 4 years of High School French have faded badly. I can still
conjugate verbs better than they can, but that's about it. My aural
comprehension is perfectly awful. When I turn on RadioCanada, I can't
make out a word I'm hearing.

Is there a time when RC runs kids' shows? What are they called? Maybe
if I sit down with a glass of chocolate milk and a plate of cookies and
watch stuff aimed at three-year-olds, (with characters that look like
Marshmallow Peeps! Argh!) I can improve my comprehension skills...

Kate

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:32:25 PM9/15/03
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"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Now, see,

That's so much grosser than half-digested marshmallow peep in the rug...
and now I'm going to associate Kenmore Canisters with seed ticks instead
of clean.

What a nightmare for Sears' marketing department.

Kate

Rocky

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:32:43 PM9/15/03
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KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

>> I've seen this Canadian Tire product advertised on TV and


>> I've been thinking of getting one:
>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U139328E5
>
> The link is busted. I just got dropped at CT's English or
> French? page. What's the product?

It worked for me, but that's probably because I signed in with
my postal code before searching for it.

"Ultra Shark Steamer" (Housewares->Steam and Floor Cleaners).

The advertisment shows the Always Happy Canadian Tire Couple on
their way to play golf because of all the time they saved
housekeeping.

It looks like a cool tool - all the attachments for doing things
like cleaning stove burners and counter tops. Not a bad price
at CDN $149, though it might look cheap in real life.

Marcel Beaudoin

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:35:59 PM9/15/03
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KWBrown <arfenar...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Totally OT: My French-Immersion kids are getting better at French
> than I am. My 4 years of High School French have faded badly. I can
> still conjugate verbs better than they can, but that's about it. My
> aural comprehension is perfectly awful. When I turn on RadioCanada, I
> can't make out a word I'm hearing.

Here is the Radio-Canada web-site. I don't know if there is anything for
kids (I don't think so), but you might find something suitable there.

>
> Is there a time when RC runs kids' shows? What are they called?
> Maybe if I sit down with a glass of chocolate milk and a plate of
> cookies and watch stuff aimed at three-year-olds, (with characters
> that look like Marshmallow Peeps! Argh!) I can improve my
> comprehension skills...

I will check and ask DW, she might know what shows are currently on
french CBC.

Here is their list of TV shows, http://www.src.ca/television/

Marcel Beaudoin

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:36:48 PM9/15/03
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> Read again: My dog did not pee the carpets. She PeePed the carpet.

> Pee just smells bad. PeeP smells bad and then everything sticks to it
> and the carpet turns yellow and the kids swear up and down they will
> never ever ever eat that gooky thing and why did I buy them anyhow?
>

OOPS. my bad. I knew setting all of those posts to read would come back and
bite me in the ass.

shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:38:37 PM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, KWBrown wrote:

>What a nightmare for Sears' marketing department.

Cate should be working for the competition.

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:44:58 PM9/15/03
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Marcel Beaudoin <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
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> I will check and ask DW, she might know what shows are currently on
> french CBC.
>
> Here is their list of TV shows, http://www.src.ca/television/

Merci beaucoup, Marcel :-)

Kate

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:46:17 PM9/15/03
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shelly <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in
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> i've got a 12yo cheap-o Dust Devil that's still working great.
> i only have one hairy dog (a Chow mix with an unholy
> undercoat), but i've also got three cats who shed quite a bit.
> not too shabby for a $50 vacuum.
>

Sure beats the >$500 lots of companies want to charge. Our Hoover upright
is starting to Smell Bad...

Kate

Cate

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:48:12 PM9/15/03
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"KWBrown" <arfenar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Now, see,
>
> That's so much grosser than half-digested marshmallow peep in the rug...
> and now I'm going to associate Kenmore Canisters with seed ticks instead
> of clean.

Good. My work here is done.

Truth be told, those particular ticks were on hardwood, not carpet.

> What a nightmare for Sears' marketing department.

Or for their customer service department, had I decided to be unreasonable.
I wonder what their reaction would have been had I said, without any further
explanation, that I was returning it because it couldn't pick up 1000
blood-engorged ticks.

Cate


shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:50:48 PM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, KWBrown wrote:

>Sure beats the >$500 lots of companies want to charge.

that's what i decided. i've heard bad things about Dust
Devils, but my experience has been good. i'd definitely
consider buying another one when this one finally gives up the
ghost.

>Our Hoover upright is starting to Smell Bad...

eeep! that sounds portentous.

Kind2dogs

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:56:10 PM9/15/03
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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: Suja span...@scs.gmu.edu
>Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003 1:59 PM
>Message-id: <S8n9b.14972$pe.7488@lakeread06>

>
>KWBrown wrote:
>
>> Incidentally - is there a consensus on the best damn vacuum cleaner in
>
>> the world for houses with a mix of carpet and hardwood and dogs?
>
>I don't think it is recommended that you steam clean the dogs ;-) But,
>
>this one has come up several times before, and essentially, 10 different
>
>people have 20 different opinions (surprise!).

I have all wide board pine or chestnut floors. I have found that the very best
thing that works here is an industrial strength work vac.

You know the kind carpenters use to vacuum up the saw dust?

It is very inexpensive and does the job great and makes it easy and fast.

Paulette~

Paulette~

shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 3:57:38 PM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Cate wrote:

>I wonder what their reaction would have been

<urka gurka>

HTH!

Cate

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:04:49 PM9/15/03
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"shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> <urka gurka>
>
> HTH!

It helps only if you clean it up the same way Orson cleans his.

Cate
off to prepare for bad weather

Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:05:05 PM9/15/03
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Cate wrote:
> Except for that day it was blowing the blood-laden seed ticks everywhere.
> But I don't think any vacuum would've handled that gracefully.

I should've known better than to post about puke here. It's always
downhill from there, and blood-laden seed ticks explodiating from
vacuums are part of the natural progression.

Suja

Cate

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:17:24 PM9/15/03
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"Suja" <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message
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It's virtually impossible to gross me out. Which is why I usually have to
wait for cues from other people to talk about nasty stuff.

Do not read below if you're feeling sensitive about dogs or death, or the
death of dogs:


I saw a taxidermied yellow lab in an antique store window the other day. The
condition of its fur was pretty good, so it's either been stored very well
or isn't that old. I was sad and so curious at the same time. All I could
think of was how David Sedaris marveled at how easy it is to obtain
taxidermied kittens as souvenirs of a trip to France, and how pleased he was
to own something so weird. And then I wondered how long that dog had been
for sale, and if anyone would ever buy it and why.

That dog has stayed on my mind lately because I've been reading The Dogs of
Babel. Just finished this morning. Anyone else read that?

Cate


KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:46:27 PM9/15/03
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kind...@aol.com (Kind2dogs) wrote in
news:20030915155610...@mb-m23.aol.com:

> I have all wide board pine or chestnut floors. I have found that the
> very best thing that works here is an industrial strength work vac.
>
> You know the kind carpenters use to vacuum up the saw dust?
>
> It is very inexpensive and does the job great and makes it easy and
> fast.

I'd be the first to agree if this new house wasn't on three different
levels. Shop Vacs and stairs don't make a good combo. I think I need
something light, dog-hair tolerant, and able to give a carpet a good
beating.

Kate

shelly

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:51:52 PM9/15/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, KWBrown wrote:

>I'd be the first to agree if this new house wasn't on three
>different levels. Shop Vacs and stairs don't make a good
>combo. I think I need something light, dog-hair tolerant,
>and able to give a carpet a good beating.

whole-house vacuum? i imagine they're kinda pricey to
install, but it might be worth looking into.

Kind2dogs

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:55:19 PM9/15/03
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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: KWBrown arfenar...@hotmail.com
>Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003 4:46 PM
>Message-id: <Xns93F78C59FC9Bar...@130.133.1.4>

The Oreck Vacuum Is Good.

The shop vacuum I have is not the big one like my hubby has, but is much
smaller and on rollers and very light.

The cost is not much so you could have one on each level. : )

I have seven dogs that blow their coat, so we have lots of dust bunnies every
morning.

I vacuum once a day and with any other vacuum I was forever either changing the
bag or emptying the cup.

With this I don't have to do it only once.

Anyway good luck in the vacuum of your choice.

Paulette~

Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 4:57:36 PM9/15/03
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KWBrown wrote:
> something light, dog-hair tolerant, and able to give a carpet a good
> beating.

My reading comprehension needs work today. Meant to tell you that Lea,
the president of our German Shedder Rescue (has 3 GSDs, 1 GSD/Malamute,
fosters up to 4 dogs at a time) has always recommended her 'Quiet Storm'
made by Samsung. I know of at least one volunteer who got one based on
this recommendation, and she's happy with its performance as well.

Suja

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 5:05:31 PM9/15/03
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Suja <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in news:YLp9b.15417$pe.7172@lakeread06:

Heavens to Betsy!

Methinks you have accused me of wanting to both steam-clean the dogs *and*
give them a good beating! :-)

I shall go sulk in Misunderstood Land. I understand it's nice and comfy
over there.

Kate

Melinda Shore

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Sep 15, 2003, 5:37:16 PM9/15/03
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In article <bk5b38$3727$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Melanie L Chang <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>French Canadian sounds very different from French French.

I find it much easier to understand, myself. It's not
nearly as elided.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com

I'm walking the dog, all day and all night

Suja

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Sep 15, 2003, 6:05:14 PM9/15/03
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KWBrown wrote:

> Methinks you have accused me of wanting to both steam-clean the dogs *and*
> give them a good beating! :-)

You *did* admit in writing no less, that you wanted to do the former, so
of course, I had to assume the latter. I did catch myself before asking
what exactly you've been smoking, and to put it down and back away
slooowly. FWIW, never did think you needed to join the gang of Dog
Abusing Thugs, just that your speed-writing might need some work.

> I shall go sulk in Misunderstood Land. I understand it's nice and comfy
> over there.

Hmmm. I wonder what sort of company you'd have over there.

Suja

dianne marie schoenberg

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Sep 15, 2003, 5:51:04 PM9/15/03
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Emily Carroll <carr...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>Determine why they puked. Usually, it's because they ate too fast.

Or ate grass. One blade is enough to make Patience
ralph all over everything. Ewwww......

Dianne

KWBrown

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Sep 15, 2003, 6:31:07 PM9/15/03
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Suja <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in
news:qLq9b.16241$pe.12334@lakeread06:

> FWIW, never did think you needed to join the gang of
> Dog Abusing Thugs, just that your speed-writing might need some work.

Oh, don't worry about that. JarJar gave me an engraved invitation the
day I "admitted" to using an E-collar for field training.



>> I shall go sulk in Misunderstood Land. I understand it's nice and
>> comfy over there.
>
> Hmmm. I wonder what sort of company you'd have over there.

(hopping up and down and shouting to be heard over the din)

Suja, this is Kate reporting live from Misunderstood Land here in the
back recesses of r.p.d.b. I hope you can hear me, as I'm having some
trouble with sound levels. There is quite a crowd of people - most of
them are standing around yelling to themselves at the top of their lungs,
although there are some small knots of people who appear to be having
very animated conversations about nothing much at all. One or two of the
party appear to have dogs with them.

Please don't worry too much about the wobbly video. Our cameraman was
just clocked by a man who ran by screaming "Thug! Thug! Thug!" I'm sure
he'll be just fine in a moment or two. Of course, if he doesn't improve,
we'll ship him over to DogTV Networks. I understand they're a little
short-staffed.

I'm headed over to the PetSmart training centre where I will...

<bonk>

Video shows flying bag of Science Diet taking Kate down for the count.
Cameraman staggers to front of lens, waving frantically

Live from Misunderstood Land - back to you, Suja.

:-) K

Cate

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Sep 15, 2003, 6:41:53 PM9/15/03
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"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> The third time I TAed for gross anatomy, I'd finally gone far enough
> beyond the normal human gross-out threshold that I couldn't understand
> why the students were surprised I could eat my lunch during class. I can
> handle mummified heads, remove cadaver fat, and dissect eyeballs with
> aplomb. And then there are all the bones -- but they're dry, so they may
> as well be Tupperware.

Bones wouldn't bother me. A cadaver? Maybe. My doctor friend would describe
in detail what she'd do to her cadaver when she was taking gross anatomy. I
guess I was her only non-school-friend outlet--no one else wanted to hear
about it. But to see it? Much less have my hand controlling the saw that
bisects the head? I don't know. That might do it for me. But I *loved* her
pathology slides.

> I do still have nightmares about the time my foster cat vomited up a
> giant bolus of half-digested tuna and roundworms the girth of my thumb.
> Writhing roundworms. Did I mention they were writhing? In tuna?

There's nothing like a writhing mass of parasites to make my skin crawl.
Still, out of a group of 20 people seeing something like that, I'm usually
the least grossed out by it. I try (unsuccessfully) to keep that trait a
secret, because I usually am the one to clean up any such mess.

Cate


Kevin Michael Vail

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Sep 15, 2003, 7:42:03 PM9/15/03
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In article <Xns93F78C59FC9Bar...@130.133.1.4>,
KWBrown <arfenar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be the first to agree if this new house wasn't on three different
> levels. Shop Vacs and stairs don't make a good combo. I think I need
> something light, dog-hair tolerant, and able to give a carpet a good
> beating.

We used to have a Phantom (sp?) 300 or something like that, before Toby
killed it. It worked pretty well. After it died, we were looking for a
replacement and David didn't see anything that really thrilled him, so
he ended up buying a $60 cheapie portable thing. It's not easy to push,
but it has a *lot* of suction and manages to get all of the dog hair out
of the carpet.

I just looked, and it's called a Euro-Pro X (900W). I have no idea who
makes it, but I know he got it at Target. The nice thing is that it's
really easy to carry around.
--
Kevin Michael Vail | Dogbert: That's circular reasoning.
ke...@vaildc.net | Dilbert: I prefer to think of it as no loose ends.
http://www.vaildc.net/kevin/

The Puppy Wizard

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Sep 15, 2003, 7:52:35 PM9/15/03
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HOWEDY dianne,

Your dogs are PUKING because of STRESS from
being mishandled... it's part of The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME.

The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >

"dianne marie schoenberg" <dia...@u.washington.edu> wrote in
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Shelly & The Boys

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"shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Rocky wrote:
>
> >It's even easier if you let the dog do it for you, at least
> >in the case of an undigested meal.
>
> yabbut, then the other dog thinks it's getting hosed by not
> getting a treat.

Yep. I *know* I've mentioned the fight that ensued over Bodhi
barfing up chunks of a pinecone here before...
Shelly & The Boys


Shelly & The Boys

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Sep 15, 2003, 9:10:59 PM9/15/03
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"KWBrown" <arfenar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> (hopping up and down and shouting to be heard over the din)
>
> Suja, this is Kate reporting live from Misunderstood Land here in the
> back recesses of r.p.d.b. I hope you can hear me, as I'm having some
> trouble with sound levels. There is quite a crowd of people - most of
> them are standing around yelling to themselves at the top of their lungs,
> although there are some small knots of people who appear to be having
> very animated conversations about nothing much at all. One or two of the
> party appear to have dogs with them.
>
> Please don't worry too much about the wobbly video. Our cameraman was
> just clocked by a man who ran by screaming "Thug! Thug! Thug!" I'm sure
> he'll be just fine in a moment or two. Of course, if he doesn't improve,
> we'll ship him over to DogTV Networks. I understand they're a little
> short-staffed.
>
> I'm headed over to the PetSmart training centre where I will...
>
> <bonk>
>
> Video shows flying bag of Science Diet taking Kate down for the count.
> Cameraman staggers to front of lens, waving frantically
>
> Live from Misunderstood Land - back to you, Suja.
>
> :-) K

Hahahaha!!!
Thanks for that laugh, Kate!
Shelly & The Boys


Shelly & The Boys

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Sep 15, 2003, 9:18:24 PM9/15/03
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"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bk5f7i$phng7$1...@ID-137534.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> news:bk5bav$3727$3...@netnews.upenn.edu...
>
> > The third time I TAed for gross anatomy, I'd finally gone far enough
> > beyond the normal human gross-out threshold that I couldn't understand
> > why the students were surprised I could eat my lunch during class. I
can
> > handle mummified heads, remove cadaver fat, and dissect eyeballs with
> > aplomb. And then there are all the bones -- but they're dry, so they
may
> > as well be Tupperware.
>
> Bones wouldn't bother me. A cadaver? Maybe. My doctor friend would
describe
> in detail what she'd do to her cadaver when she was taking gross anatomy.

After working in a vet clinic, and one that sees a great deal of large
animal patients as well as small, there's not a lot of stuff that I
*SEE* that grosses me out.
It's the olafactory feast that gets me most of the time. Shortly after
I started working there, I was called to assist on first a calf necropsy,
then immediately after, a piglet necropsy. To look at all of that was
okay, it was the smells that escaped after the cutting that caused the vomit
that
day, I swear it. Blech.
I nearly passed out once, while holding a pygmy goat that had
something hooked into the end of his penis. But, I still think it
was the fact that it was a *very* hot day, and the goat smelled awful.
I turned very pale and I think my eyes rolled back into my head, which
prompted the vet to ask, "Do you need a break right now?"
Uh...yeah.
Shelly & The Boys


Cate

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Sep 15, 2003, 10:16:15 PM9/15/03
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"Shelly & The Boys" <sn...@BADBOYSpacifier.com> wrote in message
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> It's the olafactory feast that gets me most of the time.

Me too. Which is why I'm glad I don't have a great sense of smell.

> I nearly passed out once, while holding a pygmy goat that had
> something hooked into the end of his penis.

Yowch!

But, I still think it
> was the fact that it was a *very* hot day, and the goat smelled awful.
> I turned very pale and I think my eyes rolled back into my head, which
> prompted the vet to ask, "Do you need a break right now?"
> Uh...yeah.

Heh. Yuck.

Cate

Shelly & The Boys

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Sep 15, 2003, 11:32:50 PM9/15/03
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"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Shelly & The Boys" <sn...@BADBOYSpacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:vmcosl3...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > It's the olafactory feast that gets me most of the time.
>
> Me too. Which is why I'm glad I don't have a great sense of smell.

I wish. Mine seems heightened. I'm one of those persons
that can be bothered by overdoses of perfumes, and can pinpoint
certain smells.

>
> > I nearly passed out once, while holding a pygmy goat that had
> > something hooked into the end of his penis.
>
> Yowch!

Poor thing, I can't remember what it was that was caught (a small
piece of wire, I think...), but that he was black with a white blaze
on his face & legs. And that he smelled from urinating upon his
own beard & face to make himself more attractive to the she-goats.

>
> But, I still think it
> > was the fact that it was a *very* hot day, and the goat smelled awful.
> > I turned very pale and I think my eyes rolled back into my head, which
> > prompted the vet to ask, "Do you need a break right now?"
> > Uh...yeah.
>
> Heh. Yuck.

Yup. I remember another tech that was assisting during a St. Bernard
routine surgery (IIRC, a spay or neuter, I'm not sure, it was several years
ago) while I was helping with something else in the adjacent room. I just
overheard someone say her name, then heard a crashing sound
as she conked her head on the edge of the surgery table on her
way down to the ground after passing out.
Shelly & The Boys


Shelly & The Boys

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Sep 15, 2003, 11:42:44 PM9/15/03
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"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Do not read below if you're feeling sensitive about dogs or death, or the
> death of dogs:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I saw a taxidermied yellow lab in an antique store window the other day.
The
> condition of its fur was pretty good, so it's either been stored very well
> or isn't that old. I was sad and so curious at the same time. All I could
> think of was how David Sedaris marveled at how easy it is to obtain
> taxidermied kittens as souvenirs of a trip to France, and how pleased he
was
> to own something so weird. And then I wondered how long that dog had been
> for sale, and if anyone would ever buy it and why.

That is weird...you'd think something like that would be such a personal
item. I mean, if someone were going to take the time to have their
beloved pet...uh...the phrase eludes me right now..."taxidermied".
Or, will someone buy it for the wrong reasons (I'm having a Breakfast
At Tiffany's moment, when she's knitting the messed up sweater,
trying to learn Portugese w/ the bull's head mounted on the wall above
her...).
A friend of my mother in law's was telling at story at a party once
about how their Golden Retriever had just died earlier that day.
She was sad, but laughing about the story, because it was so strange
and weird and sad. That nervous kind of "what else is there to do"
kind of laughter. The dog died half in & half out of the dog door.
She had an injured arm, and was unable to remove the dog without
causing damage to it. She was home alone, and had to sit
there for several hours before the UPS man came with a package.
She couldn't get out the front door, because of the dog, but the UPS
man ended up helping her remove the dog.
Sad, but weird.
Shelly & The Boys


Shelly & The Boys

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Sep 15, 2003, 11:57:42 PM9/15/03
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"Melanie L Chang" <mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Smell-wise, I have a hard time with some of the shark dissections when
> TAing introductory bio. Sharks smell really bad.

Any clue as to why? I was really grossed out when we did
the piglet necropsy. It wasn't but maybe a month old, and
they weren't sure what it died from (some sort of liver problem),
but oh man the stench was atrocious.
Shelly & The Boys


Kevin Michael Vail

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Sep 16, 2003, 12:22:45 AM9/16/03
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In article <bk56ol$pilel$1...@ID-137534.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Do not read below if you're feeling sensitive about dogs or death, or the
> death of dogs:

I am, all three, but I read on anyway. Didn't bother me as much as I'd
thought it might.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I saw a taxidermied yellow lab in an antique store window the other day. The
> condition of its fur was pretty good, so it's either been stored very well
> or isn't that old. I was sad and so curious at the same time. All I could
> think of was how David Sedaris marveled at how easy it is to obtain
> taxidermied kittens as souvenirs of a trip to France, and how pleased he was
> to own something so weird. And then I wondered how long that dog had been
> for sale, and if anyone would ever buy it and why.

Oh, dear. I wonder the same thing. My guess is that someone had that
done to a beloved pet, and then died themselves so it ended up as part
of the estate that none of the heirs wanted. That still leaves several
Why questions unanswered, though.

When David's mother died, she was at the same funeral home where her
best friend (David's sister's mother-in-law) had had her funeral years
before. One of David's nieces, who was an adult at the latter funeral
but not at the former, was remembering the first funeral. She said that
she and her sisters were restless, and that the funeral director asked
if they'd like to see the dog. They were thinking that would be neat,
to be able to play with a dog for a while, so they said yes. He led
them into his office, where the dog was...embalmed. Even the memory of
the experience still freaks her out.

Of course, somehow the funeral people found out we'd been talking about
this, and the result is that her fiance and I got to go see the dog as
well. He wasn't in an office anymore, but in a storeroom somewhere in
the bowels of the house. Maybe it was just the kind of creepy location,
but the dog looked so real that I kept expecting it to move. The
funeral director told us proudly that they take the dog to funeral
director's conventions, I guess to show what kind of work they do. It
was kind of unsettling but I wasn't nearly as freaked out as the nieces
were!

Rocky

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Sep 16, 2003, 12:27:57 AM9/16/03
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Cate said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> I saw a taxidermied yellow lab in an antique store window
> the other day. The condition of its fur was pretty good, so
> it's either been stored very well or isn't that old. I was
> sad and so curious at the same time.

Was it for sale? There's a possibility that it was the store
owner's ex-dog.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Paula

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Sep 16, 2003, 12:41:36 AM9/16/03
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KWBrown <arfenar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> (hopping up and down and shouting to be heard over the din)
>
> Suja, this is Kate reporting live from Misunderstood Land here in the
> back recesses of r.p.d.b. I hope you can hear me, as I'm having some
> trouble with sound levels. There is quite a crowd of people - most of
> them are standing around yelling to themselves at the top of their lungs,
> although there are some small knots of people who appear to be having
> very animated conversations about nothing much at all. One or two of the
> party appear to have dogs with them.
>
> Please don't worry too much about the wobbly video. Our cameraman was
> just clocked by a man who ran by screaming "Thug! Thug! Thug!" I'm sure
> he'll be just fine in a moment or two. Of course, if he doesn't improve,
> we'll ship him over to DogTV Networks. I understand they're a little
> short-staffed.
>
> I'm headed over to the PetSmart training centre where I will...
>
> <bonk>
>
> Video shows flying bag of Science Diet taking Kate down for the count.
> Cameraman staggers to front of lens, waving frantically
>
> Live from Misunderstood Land - back to you, Suja.

Is anybody keeping up with post of the week votes?

--
Paula
"Napoleon should be seen in Superdeterminism-Analogy History
theory as the Hitler of France." -- Archimedes Plutonium

Child

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Sep 16, 2003, 3:09:28 AM9/16/03
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"Suja" <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message
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>
> I just wish it hadn't come at 5:45 in the morning, or in the way that it
> did. It wasn't that long ago that I posted about how Khan has never
> thrown up before. Well, now he has. The good news is, Khan signals to
> let us know that he needs to puke. The bad news is that we weren't
> nearly quick enough to get him out the door before he did. There was a
> certain amount of urgency in his whining, but the logistics involved in
> getting dressed, hunting around for collars, leashes, etc. took entirely
> too much time.


Suja, forget going outside, instead run to the nearest bare floor (bathroom
or kitchen) instead of outside. if you have time, you can put newspaper
under the dogs face. If not, bare floor is much better than the carpet
right in front of the door.


> Now, what do you guys ordinarily do after your dog throws up? Called
> the vet, and they said to keep an eye on him, not feed him till this
> evening, and to call them again if he throws up some more, or acts
> lethargic. There was a little bit of dark stuff in his vomit, which may
> be the toad he mouthed last night before bed time. It is also possible
> that it is a little bit of blood. He basically wants to sleep a lot -
> no problem with walking or anything, just doesn't seem to want to exert
> himself, and didn't bug me for food. I really wish I knew what brought
> this on.

Suja, I check the color and if its nothing scary, I tell them I hope they
feel better, clean it up and go back to sleep. Its a regular, non-upsetting
occurance for my dogs . if Khan were mine, and never puked before, I would
watch pretty carefully but its probably ok.


Kind2dogs

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Sep 16, 2003, 6:46:26 AM9/16/03
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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: "Shelly & The Boys" sn...@BADBOYSpacifier.com
>Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2003 11:42 PM
>Message-id: <vmd1bn7...@corp.supernews.com>

>
>
>"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:bk56ol$pilel$1...@ID-137534.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Do not read below if you're feeling sensitive about dogs or death, or
>the
>> death of dogs:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I saw a taxidermied yellow lab in an antique store window the other day.
>The
>> condition of its fur was pretty good, so it's either been stored very
>well
>> or isn't that old. I was sad and so curious at the same time. All I could
>> think of was how David Sedaris marveled at how easy it is to obtain
>> taxidermied kittens as souvenirs of a trip to France, and how pleased
>he
>was
>> to own something so weird. And then I wondered how long that dog had been
>> for sale, and if anyone would ever buy it and why.

Most of that type of thing is not allowed at most antique shows and auctions.

I do know a doctor friend of mine who had his dog done and the dog stood right
by the door when you came in.

Myself I would never do it, but I also do not like any of that type of
thing,even mounted fish.

People do buy all of this stuff though.

I feel it is one thing doing your own dog, but cannot imagine buying one that
you did not know.


>That is weird...you'd think something like that would be such a personal
>item. I mean, if someone were going to take the time to have their
>beloved pet...uh...the phrase eludes me right now..."taxidermied".
>Or, will someone buy it for the wrong reasons (I'm having a Breakfast
>At Tiffany's moment, when she's knitting the messed up sweater,
>trying to learn Portugese w/ the bull's head mounted on the wall above
>her...).

Ahhhhh I LOVE that movie!


>A friend of my mother in law's was telling at story at a party once
>about how their Golden Retriever had just died earlier that day.
>She was sad, but laughing about the story, because it was so strange
>and weird and sad. That nervous kind of "what else is there to do"
>kind of laughter. The dog died half in & half out of the dog door.
>She had an injured arm, and was unable to remove the dog without
>causing damage to it. She was home alone, and had to sit
>there for several hours before the UPS man came with a package.
>She couldn't get out the front door, because of the dog, but the UPS
>man ended up helping her remove the dog.
>Sad, but weird.
>Shelly & The Boys
>

You know Shelly there are lots of these weird kind of stories that have
happened to people.

It would be a good book!

Paulette~

shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 7:05:06 AM9/16/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Kind2dogs wrote:

>The shop vacuum I have is not the big one like my hubby has,
>but is much smaller and on rollers and very light.

true! i inherited a shop-vac from my mom. it's lighter than
my light-weight Dust Devil. my DD doesn't have attachments,
so the shop-vac is nice for cleaning out heat registers and
getting under stuff.

>The cost is not much so you could have one on each level. : )

yep. last time i looked, they were in the US$50 range.

Kind2dogs

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Sep 16, 2003, 7:15:09 AM9/16/03
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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: shelly scouv...@bluemarble.net
>Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2003 7:05 AM
>Message-id: <Pine.BSF.4.56.03...@tesla.bluemarble.net>

>
>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Kind2dogs wrote:
>
>>The shop vacuum I have is not the big one like my hubby has,
>>but is much smaller and on rollers and very light.
>
>true! i inherited a shop-vac from my mom. it's lighter than
>my light-weight Dust Devil. my DD doesn't have attachments,
>so the shop-vac is nice for cleaning out heat registers and
>getting under stuff.
>
>>The cost is not much so you could have one on each level. : )
>
>yep. last time i looked, they were in the US$50 range.

Yup, and just now I vacuumed the whole downstairs as guests are coming for
dinner, and when I opened it,it must have had 10 inches at least of stuff in
it, and there was room for much more.

(This might seem like I do not vacuum a lot, but I do so every day
We just have mucho traffic in and out here with dogs and fishermen.)

Already this morning I have had three guys here for coffee and muffins!

I have found to keep it smelling OK I put a Bounce sheet inside the canister.

Oh and of course you can use it for wet stuff too. ; )

Paulette~

shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 7:19:24 AM9/16/03
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Shelly & The Boys wrote:

>Yep. I *know* I've mentioned the fight that ensued over
>Bodhi barfing up chunks of a pinecone here before...

yep, i remember you describing that. silly boys! harriet's
not generally food aggressive with other critters, but she can
get snarky over extra tasty treats. apparently certain
kinds of dog vomit qualify as "extra tasty," regardless of who
urka-gurka-ed them.

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 7:52:17 AM9/16/03
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KWBrown wrote:
>
> Live from Misunderstood Land - back to you, Suja.

LOL! Pretty much what I imagined it to be. If you're still planning on
moving there, take a bunch of good books and some ear plugs with you.
The company is ummmm..., suspect.

Suja

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 7:56:45 AM9/16/03
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shelly wrote:
>
> kinds of dog vomit qualify as "extra tasty," regardless of who
> urka-gurka-ed them.

Once he started feeling better, Khan tried to eat the Nature's Miracle
sawdust thingy that I had put on the vomit to help clean it up. What
the hell is he thinking?

Suja

Cate

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:01:17 AM9/16/03
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"Rocky" <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93F7E4438F282au...@rocky-dog.com...

> Was it for sale? There's a possibility that it was the store
> owner's ex-dog.

Good point. I was sitting in my car in traffic and not close enough to see
if there was a price tag. But it was the most prominent thing in the store's
window. Very proudly displayed. If it wasn't for sale, then I suppose it
must've been some kind of unusual lure to get customers in the store.

Cate


culprit

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:01:32 AM9/16/03
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"Suja" <span...@mail.nih.gov> wrote in message
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> Once he started feeling better, Khan tried to eat the Nature's Miracle
> sawdust thingy that I had put on the vomit to help clean it up. What
> the hell is he thinking?

oh, you don't need to use that sawdust stuff, doggy vomit is self cleaning.

-kelly


culprit

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:04:19 AM9/16/03
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"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I saw a taxidermied yellow lab in an antique store window the other day.
The
> condition of its fur was pretty good, so it's either been stored very well
> or isn't that old. I was sad and so curious at the same time. All I could
> think of was how David Sedaris marveled at how easy it is to obtain
> taxidermied kittens as souvenirs of a trip to France, and how pleased he
was
> to own something so weird. And then I wondered how long that dog had been
> for sale, and if anyone would ever buy it and why.

that reminds me of one of my favorite quotes.

"the road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs". what was that from,
The Sun Also Rises? it's been years since i read that.

-kelly


Cate

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:06:07 AM9/16/03
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"Shelly & The Boys" <sn...@BADBOYSpacifier.com> wrote in message
news:vmd1bn7...@corp.supernews.com...

> A friend of my mother in law's was telling at story at a party once
> about how their Golden Retriever had just died earlier that day.
> She was sad, but laughing about the story, because it was so strange
> and weird and sad. That nervous kind of "what else is there to do"
> kind of laughter. The dog died half in & half out of the dog door.

God, that's the kind of stuff that constantly happens to me. Thankfully not
exactly that, although I did have to deal with the death of my vacationing
neighbor's cat in similar circumstances. It was the immediate aftermath that
still evokes the funny stories--how I didn't know where the neighbor was
vacationing, how I was new in town and had to find a place I could store the
cat until she got home, how to get in touch with her before she came home.
And how her mom, who I found by nosing around in neighbor's address book and
calling random people, suggested I just *leave a note on the door* about the
dead cat.

Cate


Cate

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:08:13 AM9/16/03
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"Kevin Michael Vail" <ke...@vaildc.net> wrote in message
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> Oh, dear. I wonder the same thing. My guess is that someone had that
> done to a beloved pet, and then died themselves so it ended up as part
> of the estate that none of the heirs wanted. That still leaves several
> Why questions unanswered, though.

And the question of Who. As in who is going to buy that?

Even the memory of
> the experience still freaks her out.

That is very, very creepy of someone to do to a kid at a funeral.

Cate


Marcel Beaudoin

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:09:16 AM9/16/03
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mlc...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Melanie L Chang) wrote in
news:bk5b38$3727$2...@netnews.upenn.edu:

> French Canadian sounds very different from French French. The accent
> is really unique. It's sort of, well, Canadian.

Yup. And they are pretty proud of it. I don't know if this is true or
not, but according to linguists, despite the gov't of France trying
erally hard to ensure the french language doesn't change in France,
Quebec french is much closer to "original" french than parisian french.

> The French word for
> wine cellar (or maybe any cellar, just they always have wine in them)
> is "cave." The French prounuciation is "cahhhhhve" with the a
> pronounced like the word "ah." The French Canadian way to pronounce
> it, at least according to my friend from Montreal, is the same as
> "calve," as in, "The pregnant cow is about ready to calve."

Yup. That is exactly right. The best way I can describe the difference
between the two is that quebec french is spoken from the back of your
throat, while France french is from the tip of the tongue. It is
especially evident in anything with an r in it.


--
*******************************************
Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli
marcela...@hotmail.com
*******************************************
'If it walks out of your refrigerator,
LET IT GO !!'
*******************************************

Cate

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:09:23 AM9/16/03
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"culprit" <culprit_r...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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> "the road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs". what was that
from,
> The Sun Also Rises? it's been years since i read that.

Heh. Sounds more like Dave Barry.

Cate


shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:10:42 AM9/16/03
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Suja wrote:

>Once he started feeling better, Khan tried to eat the
>Nature's Miracle sawdust thingy that I had put on the vomit
>to help clean it up. What the hell is he thinking?

hard to tell, but i bet it was something along the lines of
"hey, look! she saved me some for later!"

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:17:17 AM9/16/03
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shelly wrote:
>
> hard to tell, but i bet it was something along the lines of
> "hey, look! she saved me some for later!"

I just had this sense of a big shadowy figure somewhere near the scene
of the crime, and said 'Uh-Uh' as I was turning around. He was looking
up at me with that 'What? What did I do?' look on his face. He'd make
a lousy criminal though, 'cause unbeknownst to him, there were flecks of
sawdust thingy on his very black nose. Transfer of evidence - even
David Caruso's sorry ass could've nailed him on that one.

Suja

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:26:28 AM9/16/03
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culprit wrote:
>
> oh, you don't need to use that sawdust stuff, doggy vomit is self cleaning.

I wish it had been. Khan didn't get his appetite back until much later
in the day, and I couldn't just let it sit there for that long without
at least covering it up with the sawdust. Ever try to clean up slimy
dog vomit from carpet? I can tell you that it ain't easy.

Suja

culprit

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:28:07 AM9/16/03
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"Suja" <span...@mail.nih.gov> wrote in message
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oh yeah, i forgot about the carpet part. yeah, better to clean it while
it's fresh.

-kelly


shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:29:19 AM9/16/03
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Suja wrote:

>I just had this sense of a big shadowy figure somewhere near
>the scene of the crime, and said 'Uh-Uh' as I was turning
>around. He was looking up at me with that 'What? What did I
>do?' look on his face.

poor Khan. his first vomit party and he didn't even get to
sample the buffet.

>He'd make a lousy criminal though, 'cause unbeknownst to him,
>there were flecks of sawdust thingy on his very black nose.
>Transfer of evidence - even David Caruso's sorry ass could've
>nailed him on that one.

dogs suck at covering their tracks. i can usually tell when
harriet's gotten into something verboten because bits of it
get stuck to her flews. there's nothing quite like the
oh-so-innocent "who, me?" look when it's accompanied by bits
of Kleenex or T.P.

culprit

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:37:29 AM9/16/03
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"shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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>
> dogs suck at covering their tracks. i can usually tell when
> harriet's gotten into something verboten because bits of it
> get stuck to her flews. there's nothing quite like the
> oh-so-innocent "who, me?" look when it's accompanied by bits
> of Kleenex or T.P.

there's a woman at work with a boxer that got into a 5 pound sack of flour.
he dragged it to the living room and proceeded to shake it and throw it
around until it was very dead. it looked as though it had snowed in her
living room. she has this picture of her boxer, covered in flour from head
to toe, sitting pretty in the middle of the carnage with that "who, me?"
look on his face. it's priceless.

i'll have to ask for permission to repost it.

-kelly


shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 8:43:52 AM9/16/03
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, culprit wrote:

>she has this picture of her boxer, covered in flour from head
>to toe, sitting pretty in the middle of the carnage with that
>"who, me?" look on his face. it's priceless.

i bet! that's one of those laugh or cry situations. thank
God she had the presence of mind to go for the camera instead
of having a nervous breakdown. living with bully-type dogs
really does require having a well developed sense of humor.

>i'll have to ask for permission to repost it.

oooh! please do! i'd love to see it.

dogsnus

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Sep 16, 2003, 9:45:56 AM9/16/03
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"Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:bk6u2e$q585c$1...@ID-137534.news.uni-berlin.de:

My grandparents stuffed deer heads cured me of ever wanting
a animal of mine having a taxidermist get at it.
The thought of dusting my dogs eyeballs really creeps
me out.

Terri

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 9:49:46 AM9/16/03
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dogsnus wrote:
> The thought of dusting

What's that, this "dusting" business?

Totally agree with your sentiments, BTW. I do want my dog to live
forever, but in my heart is just fine by me.

Suja

shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 9:56:06 AM9/16/03
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Suja wrote:

>What's that, this "dusting" business?

heh. you and me both. i loathe dusting (well, cleaning in
general). i went on a consumering frenzy last weekend and
bought a package of Pledge Grab It cloths (50% free--wheee!).
i figured that might trick me into thinking dusting's fun. i
haven't been inspired to open the package yet, though.

>Totally agree with your sentiments, BTW. I do want my dog to
>live forever, but in my heart is just fine by me.

that's why i want mine cooked. i can keep them with me, but i
don't have to dust them. i win!

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 10:05:03 AM9/16/03
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shelly wrote:
>
> heh. you and me both. i loathe dusting (well, cleaning in
> general).

Me too. But dusting is especially heinous. Maybe something good will
come out of this hurricane - I can leave all the windows open, and that
way, all the dust can get blown out of the house. There is a small
problem of the outside dust getting in, but I figure if there are
torrential downpours, we won't be getting any dust, will we?

> bought a package of Pledge Grab It cloths (50% free--wheee!).
> i figured that might trick me into thinking dusting's fun. i
> haven't been inspired to open the package yet, though.

Heh. Don't count on inspiration in a Pledge Package, though. I have an
unopened pack of something similar that I bought a long time ago. So
long ago that I don't remember the name of the product or where I kept
it.

> don't have to dust them. i win!

So, would you like to tell yourself what you just won?

Suja

dogsnus

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Sep 16, 2003, 10:27:22 AM9/16/03
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Suja <span...@mail.nih.gov> wrote in news:3F6714FA...@mail.nih.gov:

> dogsnus wrote:
>> The thought of dusting
>
> What's that, this "dusting" business?

It's a mandatory torture out here in the west and
in the country. Especially Idaho, where the wind
continually blows.
I could dust twice a day, (but I won't) and still
see finger swipes on the furniture.

>
> Totally agree with your sentiments, BTW. I do want my dog to live
> forever, but in my heart is just fine by me.
>

Can you imagine running a vacuum attachment over a hard,
unyielding and cold dog body? One that used to curl up
with you on the bed?
Shudder.


Terri

dogsnus

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Sep 16, 2003, 10:28:58 AM9/16/03
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shelly <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in
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snip


Suja wrote:
>
>>Totally agree with your sentiments, BTW. I do want my dog to live
>>forever, but in my heart is just fine by me.

shelly wrote:
>
> that's why i want mine cooked. i can keep them with me, but i
> don't have to dust them. i win!

No, not really. What goes in must come...
And then guess where the dog is going to end up?!

Terri

Suja

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Sep 16, 2003, 10:41:12 AM9/16/03
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dogsnus wrote:
> It's a mandatory torture out here in the west and
> in the country. Especially Idaho, where the wind
> continually blows.

Man, you'd think that all these people in Idahole would've figured it
out by now. Keep yer windows and doors closed. HTH!

And put in a really good whole house air filter, in case idea #1 is not
sufficient.

> I could dust twice a day, (but I won't) and still
> see finger swipes on the furniture.

You see, there is no point in dusting. So why do it at all?

Suja

Gwen Watson

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Sep 16, 2003, 10:32:58 AM9/16/03
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Suja wrote:

>
>
> You see, there is no point in dusting. So why do it at all?
>
> Suja

Hey I am going to remember this line!:)

Gwen

shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 11:21:08 AM9/16/03
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, dogsnus wrote:

>No, not really. What goes in must come...
>And then guess where the dog is going to end up?!

eeew! i meant cremated, not poached.

i used to live near Cook's Funeral Home (no, i'm *not*
kidding). they supplied the textbook covers for the school i
went to. can you imagine spending all day looking at the
words Cook's Funeral Home? i used to wonder if they meant
grilled, baked, roasted, sauteed, etc.

shelly

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Sep 16, 2003, 11:25:53 AM9/16/03
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Suja wrote:

>Me too. But dusting is especially heinous.

it is. my standing excuse is that dusting stirs up dust,
which is hell on my allergies, so i don't do it. it's a
health issue. no, *really*!

>There is a small problem of the outside dust getting in, but
>I figure if there are torrential downpours, we won't be
>getting any dust, will we?

i'll buy that. and, even if dust blows in, it'll be different
dust. you can think of it as a dust exchange program.

>Heh. Don't count on inspiration in a Pledge Package, though.
>I have an unopened pack of something similar that I bought a
>long time ago. So long ago that I don't remember the name of
>the product or where I kept it.

damn. well, at least they were cheap. if i don't end up
getting inspired by them, i'll pass them on to a friend who
<gasp> *cleans* for a living. yep, she actually prostitutes
her housewifely skills for filthy lucre. blech. it's kind of
cool, though. she works for a program that helps elderly
folks stay in their own homes by providing basic house-help.

>So, would you like to tell yourself what you just won?

nah, not unless someone has something new to add to the prize
package. and, fear not, i'll be passing most everything on to
the next rpd* winner.

culprit

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"shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in message
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> nah, not unless someone has something new to add to the prize
> package. and, fear not, i'll be passing most everything on to
> the next rpd* winner.

how about a torn brittany spears tee shirt leftover from Lola's lunch
yesterday?

-kelly


Kind2dogs

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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: shelly scouv...@bluemarble.net
>Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2003 11:25 AM
>Message-id: <Pine.BSF.4.56.03...@tesla.bluemarble.net>

>
>On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Suja wrote:
>
>>Me too. But dusting is especially heinous.

doG forgive me, but all morning I have been dusting, taking all the books off
the shelves in the study and polishing silver.

I love to do it!

I must be a Stepford WIfe!

Paulette~


Julia Altshuler

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I sweep the room with a glance.

--Lia

Kind2dogs

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>Subject: Re: You learn something new everyday
>From: Julia Altshuler jalts...@comcast.net
>Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2003 11:59 AM
>Message-id: <2sG9b.473341$YN5.322392@sccrnsc01>


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Good One!

Paulette~

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