Old dog forgets housebreaking
Richard Evans
housebreaking. He's not incontinent because he travels to specific
spots to let fly. The other night, we were having dinner, right next
to the door into the yard. He walked past the door and past us into
the corner and pissed in the corner. No attempt whatsoever to ask to
go out. Now he's crapping as well as pissing.
He has bad arthritis and the stairs into the yard are a problem, so I
thought he was just avoiding having to deal with the stairs, but we've
been putting him out the front door, where there are no stairs, and we
are still finding messes.
He's always been an indoor dog and I hate to banish him outside,
especially with cold weather coming on, but I can't keep cleaning up
after him either.
Suggestions?
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Subject: "Punish" "BAD BEHAVIORS" With *PRAISE*! -
Why Paradoxical Reward WORKS -
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >
Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally support or
love him.
Praising the dog has nothing to do with what he has just done, it has to
do with your relationship with him. "Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he knows that he is
in a safe and trusting environment. You praise and admire him.
Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy, and this results, quite
naturally, in the dog behaving aggresively - why not, you've declared that
you
are his enemy.
Why does paradoxical reward work?
The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say "Good Dog"
you love and praise him. THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious. No wild
wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den. If he defecates in
his den its because a bear is outside trying to get in and eat him.
The dog knows that it is stupid to defecate where he eats or sleeps.
Don't you?
If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he is safe, no pooping on the
living room floor.
Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety, expectation
of disaster.
Correct the situation, and the dog behaves fluently like a .....
Dog!
Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
Love the dog.
Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a piece of steak.
If you give
a piece of steak to a dog after he defecates on the floor he'll stop
defecating
on the floor.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH, That
Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done
Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggies.
Fondly, Dr. Von
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"George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that leap.
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than the
methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
-----------------
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's
last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got
to spend a night at Sam's house. There is no question but that
you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom
knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping
doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well
documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as
B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior
of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep
roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology
Tara Green
Confusion is what I'd guess. Senility can be
an issue in dogs. There are ways of handling
it, and ways of preventing accidents in the
house. Some folks even fashion "depends" on
dogs who do develop incontinence.
If you banish a 16 year old house dog
outside....well, frankly that sounds pretty
awful to me. Take a confused dog and take
away what is most familiar to them. Nice.
Richard Evans
>Richard Evans wrote:
>> I have a 16-year-old neutered Chow mix who has suddenly abandoned his
>> housebreaking. He's not incontinent because he travels to specific
>> spots to let fly. The other night, we were having dinner, right next
>> to the door into the yard. He walked past the door and past us into
>> the corner and pissed in the corner. No attempt whatsoever to ask to
>> go out. Now he's crapping as well as pissing.
>>
>> He has bad arthritis and the stairs into the yard are a problem, so I
>> thought he was just avoiding having to deal with the stairs, but we've
>> been putting him out the front door, where there are no stairs, and we
>> are still finding messes.
>>
>> He's always been an indoor dog and I hate to banish him outside,
>> especially with cold weather coming on, but I can't keep cleaning up
>> after him either.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
>Confusion is what I'd guess. Senility can be
>an issue in dogs. There are ways of handling
>it, and ways of preventing accidents in the
>house. Some folks even fashion "depends" on
>dogs who do develop incontinence.
He's not incontinent. He has complete control. If he were incontinent,
he would simply empty bowels and bladder randomly. I had an elderly
dog that was incontinent. He would have bowel movements in his sleep,
seemingly not even aware it was happening. This one has one favorite
spot that he goes to intentionally.
I had suspected urinary tract infection and was about to put him on
antibiotics, then the bowel movements started, so it's probably not
that.
As for depends, his arthritis is worst in his hips. He won't tolerate
being touched there, much less having diapers put on and taken off.
sighthounds & siberians
Is he on anything for his arthritis?
Richard Evans
>
>Is he on anything for his arthritis?
Anitinflammatories and pain killers.
Oddly enough, this current problem started not long after he started
the meds, but I've had him back to the vet to have him checked for
physical causes and she never mentioned a possible relation between
the problem and his meds.
FurPaw
Senility, confusion - don't necessarily imply incontinence.
The symptom started shortly after the meds... I'd suggest you look up the
side effects of the meds. Just because the vet didn't mention any
relationship doesn't mean that there isn't one; it could be a less common
side effect, or she might not remember what they are. If one of the meds
is a corticosteroid (like prednisone or prednisolone), it can cause excess
drinking and urinary urgency or incontinence and/or behavioral changes.
Some pain killers can also cause behavioral changes.
Severe pain in his hips, so severe that you can't touch them? It doesn't
sound like the meds are doing much good. That may also be why he resists
going outside. He might be in more pain outside, either because of a step
or two, or uneven ground, or cold weather.
I know it's a huge inconvenience, but I don't think it's likely that your
dog just suddenly decided that he's not going out because it's not
convenient - it's not stubbornness or belligerence. Continue to look for a
cause in the meds, pain, or some other illness not yet diagnosed.
FurPaw
--
We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand.
-Eric Hoffer
To reply, unleash the dog.
Tara Green
You didn't read my post.
I said it sounds like he was confused.
I *also* said that some folks do use garments
for dogs who *do* develop incontinence. For
urine, there are also Belly Bands. I'm saying
this because even if it is senility, it may
eventually deteriorate.
> I had suspected urinary tract infection and was about to put him on
> antibiotics, then the bowel movements started, so it's probably not
> that.
>
> As for depends, his arthritis is worst in his hips. He won't tolerate
> being touched there, much less having diapers put on and taken off.
Its not that hard. You don't use *actual*
"depends", its just a way of describing it.
Good luck anyway.
Tara Green
I couldn't agree more.
Linda Hungerford
<<>> still finding messes.
>
> He's always been an indoor dog and I hate to banish him outside,
> especially with cold weather coming on, but I can't keep cleaning up
> after him either.
>
> Suggestions?
Put him on a regular toiletitng schedule, taking him out every hour or
every two hours. You will have to use trial and error to find the
appropriate time interval that will prevent accidents in the house.
You will probably have to limit access to the house, also. Keep him
in an area that is easier to keep clean, as accidents will continue to
happen, but less frequently with his regular toiletting schedule.
Since he is neutered, it is less likely that his prostate is causing
him to retain urine, but this still could be an issue for him. Make
sure this issue is addressed with his veterinarian.
Keeping the dog outside at this point in his life is all but a death
sentence. I'm not even sure I would risk him in a well heated garage.
hth.....
Linda H.
Avid Fan
Elderly dogs/people develop bladder problems.
You need take your dog outside very frequently like when he was a pup.
I personally think that it would be more humane to put your dog down
rather than banish him outside.
Avid Fan
NSAIDs(Voltaren, Nurofen etc) or Paracetamol have no effect either way.
None of these are likely to be causing your problems.
Alison
> been putting him out the front door, where there are no stairs, and we
> are still finding messes.>>
The bad weather might be putting him off. Do you go out with him? I
would stand with him to make sure he goes.
Also, follow the advice in the replies you have already recieved.
Alison
Richard Evans
>
>I know it's a huge inconvenience, but I don't think it's likely that your
>dog just suddenly decided that he's not going out because it's not
>convenient - it's not stubbornness or belligerence. Continue to look for a
>cause in the meds, pain, or some other illness not yet diagnosed.
That's what I was doing by posting here.
Richard Evans
>
>You didn't read my post.
Yes, I read it perfectly well.
>
>I said it sounds like he was confused.
Yes, I read that.
>
>I *also* said that some folks do use garments
>for dogs who *do* develop incontinence.
Yes, and I replied as to why, if it were incontinence, any form of
diaper would not be a solution.
>Its not that hard. You don't use *actual*
>"depends", its just a way of describing it.
I don't care how you describe it, he won't tolerate having his
hindquarters messed with.
Richard Evans
>On Dec 3, 3:35�pm, Richard Evans <info...@mindspring.com> wrote:
><<>> still finding messes.
>>
>> He's always been an indoor dog and I hate to banish him outside,
>> especially with cold weather coming on, but I can't keep cleaning up
>> after him either.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
>Put him on a regular toiletitng schedule, taking him out every hour or
>every two hours. You will have to use trial and error to find the
>appropriate time interval that will prevent accidents in the house.
Been doing that to no effect. Bear in mind, this is not some puppy I'm
trying to put on a potty schedule. This old guy has been flawlessly
house broken for 16 years. He has a schedule well established. He's
only ever had one accident: He had diarrhea during the night, and even
then he had it near the door, as if he were trying to get out when it
happened.
>
>You will probably have to limit access to the house, also. Keep him
>in an area that is easier to keep clean, as accidents will continue to
>happen, but less frequently with his regular toiletting schedule.
We've been trying to do that, but the spot he has chosen is
particularly inaccessible (to humans, anyway) and particularly hard to
cut him off from.
>
>Since he is neutered, it is less likely that his prostate is causing
>him to retain urine, but this still could be an issue for him. Make
>sure this issue is addressed with his veterinarian.
Been there, done that.
>
>Keeping the dog outside at this point in his life is all but a death
>sentence. I'm not even sure I would risk him in a well heated garage.
I'm not talking about abandoning him. We live in a warm climate. It
was in the sixties here yesterday. He has a fenced in yard in which he
is perfectly comfortable. He has a favorite spot under some bushes
where he likes to lie and he has a companion dog to share the yard
with him. Leaving him out during the day would be no hardship until
the temps get much colder, and that only lasts a couple of months
during the year, at which time, I would obviously, put him back on his
regular schedule until things warm up.
Richard Evans
>"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>> but we've
>> been putting him out the front door, where there are no stairs, and we
>> are still finding messes.>>
>
> The bad weather might be putting him off.
We live in North Carolina. There has been no bad weather here yet and
won't be for another month or so.
> Do you go out with him? I would stand with him to make sure he goes.
Bear in mind that this is a sudden change in behavior. I have not had
to go out with him for 16 years and have had no problems. I have
increased the number of times he goies out. Now he goes out 6-8 times
per day and only messes in the house 1-2 times per week. It's a fair
assumption that no matter how often he goes outside, he's still going
to occasionally go in the house.
sighthounds & siberians
I've used belly bands on male dogs with incontinence caused by
everything from spinal stenosis to kidney failure. The last dog was
15 or 16, cranky, and sore in the hips like yours. You don't have to
touch the hips or mess with the hindquarters to put belly bands on,
and Mukluk tolerated it as well as he did anything. That being said,
this doesn't sound like incontinence, so it's a moot point.
I'd call the vet and ask her if she thinks the meds might have
anything to do with this behavior change. If not, look for other
signs of senility and consider trying one of the meds available for
that.
Linda Hungerford
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:57:26 -0500, Richard Evans
>
>
>
>
>
I have decided the OP already has his mind made up, as well as has an
answer for everything we have posted to date. His responses have
brought to mind the word "troll".
fwiw.....
Linda H.
Richard Evans
>
>I have decided the OP already has his mind made up, as well as has an
>answer for everything we have posted to date. His responses have
>brought to mind the word "troll".
Hardly. Many of the replies I received here were of little or no
value, more directed at training a puppy than an adult dog. A couple
were useful (senility and meds) and I am following up on them.
Dismissing inapplicable or impractical suggestions does not make me a
troll, but if that's the reception I'm going to get, I guess I'll
stick with my vet.
Bye bye.
sighthounds & siberians
Well, that's certainly your prerogative. I don't agree.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
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> Linda Hungerford <tallgras...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 3, 3:35 pm, Richard Evans <info...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>><<>> still finding messes.
>>>
>>> He's always been an indoor dog and I hate to banish him outside,
>>> especially with cold weather coming on, but I can't keep cleaning
>>> up after him either.
INDEED?
>>> Suggestions?
Oh, INDEEDY~!
EVERY POSTER replyin here got VERY LONG POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >
I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >
>> Put him on a regular toiletitng schedule, taking him out every hour
>> or every two hours. You will have to use trial and error to find the
>>appropriate time interval that will prevent accidents in the house.
That's ABSURD and INSANE; HOWEsbreakin is a critter's
#1 & #2 MOST URGENT TERRORTORIAL IMPERATIVES <{}:~ ( >
IN FACT, relievin ANY critter every HOWER will INHIBIT
ITS ABILITY to CON-TRAIN HISSELF <{}:~ ( >
> Been doing that to no effect.
INDEED?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Bear in mind, this is not some puppy I'm trying to put on a potty
> schedule.
That's IRRELEVANT IMMATERIAL an INCONSEQUENTIAL.
Dogs HOWEsbreak NEARLY INSTANTLY if they AIN'T
MOLESTED by MENTAL PATIENTS lockin them in boxes
an tryin to walk them every HOWER to AVOID TRAININ
IT not to shit an piss in their MENTAL HOWESES <{};~ ) >
> This old guy has been flawlessly house broken for 16 years.
Your dog is SUFFERIN from CCD - canine cognitive disorder.
It's a STRESS INDUCED DIS-EASE associated with
OLD AGE, e.g.: SENILITY.
You can EXXXTINGUISH your elderly dogs' Canine Cognitive
DIS-EASE NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you an your
MENTAL CASE PALS PREFER <{}:~ ( >
> He has a schedule well established.
Your dog is anXXXIHOWES and AFRAID OF YOU;
he AIN'T SICK; all you gotta do is LEARN HOWE to
PRAISE IT for bein AFRAID and your dogs' FEAR
will CEASE NEARLY INSTANTLY <{}';~ ) >
HOWEver, you DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOUR DOG UNAFRAID OF YOU.
> He's only ever had one accident: He had diarrhea during the night,
> and even then he had it near the door, as if he were trying to get
> out when it happened.
Of curse~!
>>You will probably have to limit access to the house, also.
On accHOWENTA your MENTAL CASE PALS DON'T
KNOW HOWE to CURE your dogs' anXXXIHOWESNESS
DIS-EASE, richard <{}:~ ( >
You're askin LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS
for information and advice THEY AIN'T GOT on accHOWENTA
they're PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL
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So I AIN'T TELLIN YOU NUTHIN YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
AIN'T THAT CORRECT, richard <{};~ ) >
>> Keep him in an area that is easier to keep clean,
On accHOWENTA these MENTAL CASES DON 'T KNOW
HOWE to HOWEstrain their own dogs NEARLY INSTANTLY.
>> as accidents will continue to happen,
ONLY IF YOU FOLLHOWE THE MENTAL PATIENT'S ADVICE.
>> but less frequently with his regular toiletting schedule.
That's ABSURD and INSANE and IT'S A LIE.
You'll MURDER your dog pryor to EVER TRAININ IT
on accHOWENTA you're AFRAID TO PRAISE BAD
BEHAVIORS <{}'; ~ ) >
AN THAT'S HOWE COME YOU'RE DOG IS AFRAID OF YOU.
> We've been trying to do that,
INDEED??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> but the spot he has chosen is particularly inaccessible (to
> humans, anyway) and particularly hard to cut him off from.
You mean you DON'T KNOW HOWE to TRAIN YOUR DOG
on accHOWENTA it's EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE your MENTAL CASE PALS PREFER <{}:~ ( >
>> Since he is neutered, it is less likely that his
>> prostate is causing him to retain urine,
INDEED? "Seem" the PROBLEM is NOT RETAININ urine:
"On the negative side, neutering male dogs � if done before
maturity, increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer)
by a factor of 3.8; this is a common cancer in medium/large
and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.
� increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6;
this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
� triples the risk of hypothyroidism
� increases the risk of geriatric cognitive impairment
� triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs
with it the many associated health problems associated with
obesity
� quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
� doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
� increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
� increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
>> but this still could be an issue for him.
The only "ISSUE" is anXXXIHOWESNESS caused
by SENILITY based on MISHANDLIN - an THAT can
be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply
by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE these MENTAL PATIENTS
PREFER <{}'; ~ ) >
>> Make sure this issue is addressed with his veterinarian.
The dog don't need a VETERINARIAN - he needs a PSYCHIATRIST~!
IN FACT, dra. linda IS a PSYCHIATRIST <{}:~ ) >
And BACKYARD PUPPY MILLER; she HURTS
INTIMIDATES an MURDERS innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LIES abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >
JUST LIKE HOWE the REST OF THESE MENTAL
CASES PREFER, richard <{};~ ) >
> Been there, done that.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Seem" your veterinary malpracticioner don't know
HOWE to DIEagnose a anXXXIHOWESNESS
BEHAVIOR PROBLEM no doGdameneD better
than does dra. hungerford <{}:~ ( >
>> Keeping the dog outside at this point in his
>> life is all but a death sentence.
Yeah; Southern livin AIN'T EZ <{}:~ ( >
>> I'm not even sure I would risk him in a well heated garage.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> I'm not talking about abandoning him. We live in a warm climate. It
> was in the sixties here yesterday. He has a fenced in yard in which he
> is perfectly comfortable. He has a favorite spot under some bushes
> where he likes to lie and he has a companion dog to share the yard
> with him. Leaving him out during the day would be no hardship until
> the temps get much colder, and that only lasts a couple of months
> during the year, at which time, I would obviously, put him back on his
> regular schedule until things warm up.
Well then, "seem" you know all abHOWET IT, eh, richard??
ALL OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DIS-EASES ARE
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
Therefore they can be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY
INSTANTLY;
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There, she met HOWER own EXXXPERT professional
dog trainer tara.green2 who mentored (the)duckster till
she put down the bottle to become an adoptive mom of
a white child but settled for a Oriental and has busied
herself RESCUEIN needy dogs as a replacement for her
addiction.
"(the)duckster" <ducks...@erinet.com> wrote in message news:R9Yqj.
11967$M71.2816@trnddc08...
> "Roger Taylor" <sherryrogeratcomcastdotnet> wrote in message
> news:ppadnbcyqqVCsjja...@comcast.com...
>> We have a 16 year old active and well exercised Pomeranian in
>> otherwise good health. In the past year he often cannot make it
>> through the night without popping out of his basket and quietly
>> peeing on the bedroom rug. Half the time, he manages to make
>> it to the door and scratch, and we let him out, but other times he
>> doesn't appear to have time to express his wishes. Our only
>> solution so far is to hop-to, soak up the pee, and apply one of
>> those bio-digesters that is supposed to remove the scent.
>> One option that occurred to me was to put aluminum foil sheet
>> around the base of his basket, so the crinkly sound would awaken
>> us. I tried it, and it wakes us up, but he has too many false alarms,
>> where he just wants to stretch and have a limber-up session.
>> How about reverting to crate training, and putting him in a large
>> open top cardboard box at night, on the assumption he will scratch
>> when he has to pee, rather than soil his nest?
>> I am interested in how some of you with older dogs handles
>> this inevitable issue with elderly or incontinent pets.
>> Roger
> I have three in the house 2, 3 and 7.
Yeah. RESCUE dogs, ain't that correct, (the)?
> With different sleeping habits and squatting needs
INDEEDY~!
IN FACT, (the)duckster's own dog GOT THE
SAME PROBLEM for the SAME REASON.
> I am I supposed fortunate that I haven't had
> a solid night's sleep in 15 years.
Yeah. They call THAT "the heeebee jeeebees" in drunkspeak.
> Partial insomenia, peri-men, my own bladder, plus mother
> to an almost eleven year old and I'm on patrol every night
> at least twice.
What (the)duckster is TRYIN to tell you is she's a MENTAL PATIENT.
> At 16, it's probably harder to hold (think of your old grandpa).
Grandma at 94 often gets up a 4 a.m. Sometimes The Mrs. crosses
paths with her. Neither of them have sleepin or peri men problems
or wander the HOWES "on patrol".
> Keeping him crated with lots of soak through
> towels is a fair solution in the short run.
That's INSANE. (the)duckster has opted for trainin
pants for her dog who GOT THE SAME PROBLEM
but not just at night, ALL the time <{}: ~ ( >
> Getting up with him once during the night to me would be
> a sweet way to spend the time you know you are going to
> miss after he is gone.
That's INSANE.
Perhaps they should both wear waterproof underpants an
meet in the hallway for nightly communal panty leak events?
> Leastwise, that's how I think of the friends from past packs.
That so?
> I figure it's what I signed on for.
(the)duckster puts trainin pants on her dog on accHOWENTA
SHE CAN'T TRAIN IT NOT TO PISS IN HER HOWES <{}: ~ ( >
> Kind regards,
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> (the)duckster
ONLY LIARS., DOG ABUSERS, COWARDS, and ACTIVE,
ACCUTE, CHRONIC, LIFE LONG INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES POST their LIES ABUSE and IDIOCY here <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY (the)duckster,
"(the)duckster" <ducks...@erinet.com> wrote in message
news:iGFoj.52076$e46.6746@trnddc04...
> "sighthounds & siberians" <x...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:kfa2q3lj46cc8vi10...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:10:02 -0500, elegy
>> <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
Your pals elegy and racetrack silly are pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES with
very long posted case histories verifying those statements.
>> > harvey's getting belly bands. i keep failing and i can't deal with
>> > cleaning urine out of the carpet any more, so he's just going to have
>> > to wear undies.
Harvey's been pissin in his HOWES since day WON <{}: ~ ( >
>> > i'm so frustrated and i feel like i just can't win. he's now sleeping
>> > through the night without having to go out, but he's peeing in the
>> > house at other times.
THAT'S on accHOWENTA elegy PUNISHES him for pissin.
>> > god help me.
No. G-D has turned His back on these mental cases who
hurt intimidate mutilate an murder innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT <{}: ~ ( >
>> > it's a good thing he's cute and snuggly!
That's what elegy said abHOWET her last DEAD "rescue"
dog Homer, whom she MURDERED on accHOWENTA IT
DIDN'T LIKE bein jerked an choked an offered an withheld
bribes an locked in a box and ignored when he cried JUST
LIKE HOWE she MURDERED her OTHER DEAD RESCUE
dog as you'll SEE in her own POSTED CASE HISTORY below.
>> Let me know if you're not happy with the quality of your
>> belly bands - I buy mine from a woman who makes two
>> different styles and I like them much better than those I've
>> bought in stores or at shows.
Dogs piss in your HOWESES on accHOWENTA they AIN'T HAPPY
not on accHOWENTA they don't know where they're suppHOWESED
to piss.
Puttin a belly band on the dog to AVOID the problem
CAUSED BY YOUR ABUSE and INSANITY is
INEFFECTIVE, CRUEL, and INSANE behavior.
> I, too, have a going on three year old neutered male
> who decided recently to start marking.
You've been on a dry drunk for fifteen years. You better seek
treatment.
> I ordered a belly band, but it sort of bunches up and
> doesn't quite cover his privates. A combination of
> pants with the band over those seems to keep him covered.
THAT'S INSANE, (the)duckster <{}: ~ ( >
> If you have another style though and a link,
> I would be interested in seeing what you use.
What would you use if your adopted daugher wet the bed?
> (the)duckster
Seems morality wears clothes, eh, (the)?:
Newsgroups: alt.adoption
From: ducks...@aol.com (LeDuckster)
Date: 2000/03/31
Subject: Re: Can a nudist adopt?
I recall a raging thread about a naked burning man in
the desert, but this is the first I heared of a guy who
gets his kicks hanging 10 au natural w/other like minded
folk wanting to share the love of his lifestyle w/a child.
But seriously, man...
Your posing that question to a newsgroup that harbors an
aduck, an All Powerful One, several know it all newbies,
the unemployed wife of a doctor who thinks she's a deer,
a host of 90 day illuminadae, to say nothing of being a
launching pad for a group people who (among other handles)
used to call themselves things like the *high priestess of
the unvarnished vagina*. (Now THEM was the dayz!)
I can't wait to hear what your social worker sez when you
tell him/her that you like to run nekkid on the weekend.
Keep us posted, will ya?
(the)duckster
fully feathered
Who is not satisfied with himself, will grow.
He who is unsure of his own correctness, will
learn many things.
--------------
Here's your PALS, (the)duckster:
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63...@4ax.com...
Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message news:
54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27...@4ax.com...
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
LIKE THIS?:
From: sighthounds etc. (greypigho...@ncweb.com)
Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
<g...@ig.utexas.edu>
wrote:
>culprit wrote:
>> "sighthounds etc." <greypigho...@ncweb.com> wrote in
>> message news:f8b8ov46ctu1ds18o...@4ax.com...
>> > ADD and OCD are mental illnesses?
>> oh, BTW...
http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_Yourself/Abou
t_M ental_Illness/About_Mental_Illness.htm
>> -kelly
>Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered as a
>mental illness in which one can apply for many different
>things even in the work force in which they are suppose to
>accomodate you to help improve your condition.
>But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated
>ADHD people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and have
>gotten along just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel
that the US is turning into a nation of victims. And please,
don't anybody jump all over me, because I am not talking about
anyone personally. Everything seems to be a compensatable (not
sure if that's actually a word) disability. If 3/4 of the people are
physically disabled or mentally ill, what's 'normal'?
Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is,
and therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it. But
life isn't about who you are and what you've got, it's what
you do with it.
For me anyway, the more I think of myself as
partially disabled, the more I am that way.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.
Mustang Sally
---------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWizard
@Mail.Com wrote:
> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> <major snippage>
> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of
> > their RESCUE dogs.
> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
From:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...
<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality
might be helpful, too. I'm president of the board
of our local shelter. The new board has almost
succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin,
and very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention
to making improvements in our shelter, increasing
adoptions, etc. We are in the largest county in our
state, and it's also one of the poorest. We take in
around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-
thirds of them.>>
Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer
to 67%. IS that really what "rescue" means, Sally?
Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one "rescues"?
Geeez!
> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry
> to make up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his
> lunatic claims?
What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then?
The part about your "mental illness"? Why, you
call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
Though I still can't help wondering how "sane"
someone who loves dogs can be when running
a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs
it "rescues".
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
Lucy (likewise)
----------------------
HOWEDY elegy you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant mental case Pit
Bull RESCUER, SNUFF TRAINER and SADIST,
"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:mv5go31a9lrgqloau...@4ax.com...
> and so we reach the next chapter of Harvey is Making Me Insane.
You've only had Harve a couple months. You got him just a couple
weeks after you MURDERED your last DEAD RESCUE dog Homer
when he attacked you for ABUSIN him after someHOWE surviving
till nearly twelve years of age withHOWET benefit of a RESCUER.
> remember how i was having problems
> with him peeing all over my house?
Yeah. Harvey was pissin all over your HOWES on
accHOWENTA you was puttin cortisone eye drops
in his eyes to treat his glaucoma which is CAUSED
BY you CHOKIN him and neither you nor the pathetic
veterinary malpracticioners you work for was aware
that steroid eye drops affect the entire system just like
HOWE cortisone causes UN-CON-TROLLable pissin.
> he's not doing that anymore.
Yeah. You removed his eye to CURE the glaucoma
caused by CHOKIN him on leash and the stress from
lockin IT in a box.
> now he's pooping.
Your dog is havin anXXXIHOWESNESS behavior problems.
There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE COME a dog or kat
would shit an piss in their own HOWES:
1. He's SICK.
OR
2. He's UNHAPPY.
> and eating it. (he leaves crumbs.)
Coprophagia *(SHIT EATIN) is CAUSED BY your ineffective
inapupriate barbaric midevil HOWEsbreakin methods.
LIKE THIS:
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/12/21
> Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
> > In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
> > <j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> do you find that he masturbates more frequently after
> such instances? (referring to your post about your dog
> using a pillow to get himself off)
First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
Second, I rarely issue corrections.
Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.
I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive.
Eating dog poop, for me, is another story. And the rate
of that behavior has also diminished with time. :-)
--Marshall
Poop eatin is CAUSED by your ineffective inapupriate
miserable stinkin bribing crating and HOWEsbreakin
methods and can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.
LIKE THIS:
Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA
CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERYTHING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER.
LIKE THIS:
From: lolajo...@webtv.net (lolajo...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: My greyhound becoming bully of dogpark,help?
Date: 2004-01-07 01:15:04 PST
What is wrong with "The Puppy Wizard"?
I know his posts are a little wacky but his sound
distraction technique has worked very well for me.
After using traditional training with mixed results,
I was able to stop my dog from jumping up, eating
poop, begging from the table and excessive barking
using his methods.
Lolajoker.
--------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Subject: to Jerry Howe
From: MArtog
Date: Wed, Jan 17 2001 12:51 pm
Email: MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>
Just wanted to say thanks. The method you told me
to stop my dog from eating my other Labs sh-t in
the backyard has worked well. She has also improved
greatly when off leash out in the woods.
She still sniffs (ofcourse), but I rarely need to stop
her from anything else. I've always been diligent about
watching her, and cleaning up the yard, but ya just
can't be there every second. And she is quick!
So, thanks again for the advice.
I feel more confident now when I turn my back.
And to all you folks going yea, sure, right.
THIS IS NOT A TROLL POST.
HE gave me advice. It worked. Plain and simple.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So Jerry, allthough I don't lurk here, I'm sure
you're still putting up with DogButt and his ilk.
So good keep up the good work!
Of course DogButt will read this, even thoe it doesn't
have his name on it. Cause he thinks he owns the group.
So to you DogButt.........Well,,,,never mind.
You're already a loser. I don't need to tell you that.
Please feel free to correct my spelling/grammer, etc.
Yes, goodbye, good riddance, blah blah blah.
Later.....
MArtog
----------------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog eats poo!
Date: 2000-12-05 00:40:48 PST
I used sound distraction to stop my 2 dogs eating cow poo
during walkies. I posted here a while ago explaining how I
managed to control them from eating it but there were a lot
of sceptics. If your interested I'll be glad to tell you
what worked for me, just let me know and I'll post a thread
on this NG.
Paul
-----------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Paul B
Date: Sat, Oct 21 2000 2:18 am
Email: "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>
The sound distraction and praise method he uses is VERY effective,
I use those techniques on my dogs and the results are great. From
teaching a dog to recall to preventing unwanted behaviours (shit
eating, eating the cats food, growling when taking a bone from a
dog, jumping up, even escaping from the property, any behaviour).
To say sound distraction and praise methods don't work is pure
ignorance.
I can understand you not liking Jerry and being pissed off with
the posts he submits but please keep things in context and don't
slam a technique just because you can't stand the person suggesting
using it.
Paul.
------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
-----------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Paul
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Paul B" <NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz>
I'm not exactly sure why Jerry is saying to ignore me, it's his
advice that I found was the most successful. During walks in a
particular park the dogs would come across fresh cow pats and
munch away happily.
To stop this I'd set them up, I'd find a nice fresh cow turd and
stand next to it, when the dogs came over and saw it they would
start to munch, at the onset of this I'd chuck a throw chain near
the dog to distract it and praise straight away, the reason for
the praise is the dog stops eating as soon as it hears the
distraction so I'm praising that behaviour, the not eating.
I'd set them up again and repeat, but make the sound come from
a different direction, maybe the first time chuck the chain to
the right of the dog, the next time to the left, then behind etc,
it's the randomness that is effective and always sincerely praise
immediately.
Now when I walk through the park they leave the turds alone,
they aren't interested in them anymore due to the distraction
training. Don't let the dog know that you made the sound, the
sound just "occurs" this is important as it removes "you" out
of the problem.
Paul
--------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Subject: Sweet Coprophagia
From: Lynn
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 10:01 pm
Email: roudyre...@yahoo.com (Lynn)
I hate to be in such agreement all the time, but am excited
about Coco the Rotti we have boarded here. Yes she made my
job easier (no poo to pick up) as at her home she eats poo
due to major anxiety and being punished with a stick for it.
She was living on it just about.
It was gross, and she is a beautiful dog.
I decided to change this. It has taken 6 days for HER to
get an appetite and I PICK up poo now. We have yard kennels
here, so it's hard to catch every dog doing everything. I
took all the pressure off her. SHE is using a dog house,
not cowering at her gate. SHE is breaking the habit of body
blocking me so I cannot leave her area. SHE is now playing
ike a normal doggie.
What did I do? Not much. Just ask as the other's are doing,
and be patient. Not making a big deal out of behavior she is
used to being punished for.
I can snap a finger now to distract her, and say "Coco
back good girl" I move into Hot and Cold on a bad day.
The owner just got done putting up a security door due
to her taking out the old one. The dog has quit blocking
me from getting in my door when out for play. My job is
getting easier, it's a pain to be rushed by a pack of
dogs all trying to come in.
Call the dogs puppets, they don't care!
Lynn
--------------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
From: MArtog
Date: Thurs, Jan 18 2001 7:51 am
Email: MArtog <mar...@my-deja.com>
In article <3A65FE5F.70D8D...@Rosenblatt.com>,
Jos...@Rosenblatt.com wrote:
> Ummm OK
> and if you didn't want Dog'butt' or anyone else to
> raad it.. why didn't you just email Jerry your thanks?
> I smell a rat....
> Bye Bye
Last reply/post from me just to explain to Joshua.
Then I'm outta here(yippee).
No I was not trying to TROLL. I wanted to post a
thank you to Jerry. That's it. Never said I didn't
want anyone else to read it. I did say that I knew
DogButt would read it even thoe it wasn't for him.
He thinks everything in here is his business.
So he had to post some childish response because he
can't help it. He is sooo predictable. He will read
this too and again post a childish response. If he
doesn't, it will show a strength of will that I don't
believe he has.
Not trying to be a rat or anything else. I clearly said
what I wanted to say about Jerry's help with my dog problem.
It is sad that this group is still so antagonistic all the time.
There is a lot of knowledge here, but it is rarely
disseminated in a kindly manner. Most newbies get
ran off in fairly short order, and go over to r.p.d.breeds
where people are much freindlier. Seems like most
posters in here have been around each other too long.
Some sort of internet cabin fever or something (IMHO).
Anyway, I won't be reading your's or DogButt's reply. So feel
free to go at each other's throats as usual,flame me and my
post, whatever.
Again, thanks Jerry and all of you have a nice day......
well except you DogButt!
Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!
BYE!
------------------------------
SEE? SEE?? SEE??? SEE???? SEE?????
> and whining. incessantly.
Whining is a SYMPTOM of bein UNHAPPY you
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin
mental case.
You can EXXXTINGUISH whining NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by PRAISING him. HOWEver, you WON'T, on
accHOWENTA you think that'll REWARD his whining.
So, you'll MURDER him INSTEAD, JUST LIKE HOWE you
done to your last TWO DEAD RESCUE dogs <{}: ~ ( >
> and generally driving me insane.
Sorry elegy, your own POSTED CASE HISTORY of
INSANITY predates Harvey by several decades, in
fact, it goes back to your early childhood, you pathetic
miserable stinkin malignant incurable manic depressive
mental case.
> i took him in to work last week because of the whining
> and the pooping and the pooping and the whining.
Yeah. LUCKY THING we can EXXXTINGUISH that
NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET MURDERIN him
like HOWE you done your last two DEAD dogs <{}: ~ ( >
> i was worried about his eye pressure. his eye pressure is fine.
You mean on accHOWENTA you had his eye REMOVED.
> his physical exam was normal.
Naaaah?
> maybe he's just gone 'round the bend.
No, you're driving him INSANE JUST LIKE HOWE
you done your last two DEAD dogs <{}: ~ ( >
> is it wrong that i want to try him on prozac?
No, it's INSANE.
Accordin to the manufacturer Prozac is less than 65%
effective even when used in conjunction with behavior
modification. Of curse, their BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION
is HOWE COME dogs have ANXXXIHOWESNESS
ATTACKS like Harvey is havin.
> don't get me wrong,
BET YOUR LIFE ON IT.
THAT'S HOWE COME I CITE your own POSTED CASE HISTORIES.
> for as much as i complain about him (incessantly!)
And he's returning the favor. JUST LIKE HOWE them last two
DEAD DOGS YOU MURDERD FOR THE SAME REASON
done pryor to you MURDERIN them.
> i do love the guy.
INDEEDY! THAT'S HOWE COME you animal murderin
mental cases like to give the last gift of MURDERIN your dogs.
> how could you not, with a fat head like that?
His head wouldn't be swollen if you didn't choke him.
> but harvey + my job is equalling more stress
> than i'm up to dealing with right now!
PERHAPS you should get HOWETA the RESCUE business?
Maybe this'll heelp?:
HOWEDY elegy you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant mental case Pit
Bull RESCUER and SNUFF TRAINER,
"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:h89ao3leffldomkut...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:37:05 -0500, "Mike D"
> <mikd...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>> no matter what you say about PETA, the fact remains that if
>> you buy a puppy instead of adopting an adult dog, a dog will
>> die which would have lived if you had adopted it. I have no
>> big qualms with people saying, 'well, i don't care; i want a
>> puppy and nevermind saving a needy and less than premium
>> dog' and then doing that- at least they have honesty.
>> What we have, instead though, is cowardly human hypocrisy,
>> where you(and others) say 'well, I don't believe that stuff about
>> how buying a puppy condemns another dog'.
>> This is a lie, in your heart you know that it is, and the worst part is,
>> moral cowards teach lies like this to their children. If the shoe fits,
>> wear it.
>> mike.
> if people didn't overbreed dogs, support puppy mills and backyard
> breeders, allow their pets to breed "accidentally" and dump their
> acquired dogs in the shelter or onto the streets, there wouldn't be
> dogs dying in the shelters in the first place.
So long as ETHICKAL breeders BREED, there'll be dogs in "shelters"
gettin MURDERED by DOG LOVERS like elegy <{}: ~ ( >
> it is NOT MY FAULT that there are dogs being killed in the shelters.
RIGHT. elegy MURDERS hers at her own vet's office.
> i have never produced a single puppy. i have never dumped a single dog.
elegy MURDERED her last TWO "RESCUE" dogs.
> if i choose to go to a responsible breeder who is not contributing
> to the shelter problem, that does NOT put blood on my hands.
Sez a lyin animal murderin CHRONIC LIFE LONG INCURABLE
MALIGNANT MALICIHOWES MENTAL CASE <{}: ~ ( >
> and no, i have never purchased a puppy or a dog, and all three of my
> dogs here have come from shelters or rescues as adults. but that is
> utterly beside the point.
Here's the POINT:
> --
> http://underdogged.net
> x-no-archive:yes in headers
HOWEDY elegy you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant mental case Pit
Bull RESCUER and SNUFF TRAINER,
"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:q4ebn3lae971kk30h...@4ax.com...
<tinydan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"filly" <johnhe...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:H1idj.6441$oh5.5932@trndny08...
>>> "elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
>>> news:7i8bn3pi336q8sgb2...@4ax.com...
>>> > just because i have nothing better to do with myself.
Perhaps you should consider suicide?
>>> > mushroom crazy face barky dog
>>> > <http://shattering.org/images/mushroomcrazyeye.jpg>
Like Luce <{}: ~ ( >
Seems all of elegy's fear aggressive dogs are hyperactive.
>>> > luce can haz cookie?
>>> > <http://shattering.org/images/eleusisnosey.jpg>
>>> > three dogs, one really poor photo.
>>> > <http://shattering.org/images/threeamigos2.jpg>
To heel with the peectures. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=
>>> I think taking dog photos is a fine way to spend your time.
It's probably better than self cutting.
>>> Luce looks particularly fetching in her blue sweater,
INDEEDY. HOWEver, she seems nekkid withHOWET her
pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar <{}: ~ ( >
>>> I like the casual way it drapes across her back.
Yeah, "casual"...
>> Karla said it all perfectly! Right down to Luce' blue sweater.
>> I would love to see you walk your pack sometime. I'll bet you
>> get so many *second looks*. ;-)
Oh, INDEEDY!
And then she calls animal CON-TROLL to report the onlookers.
>> They are a handsome crew.
> i don't ever walk them all together.
Naaaah?
> i've had too many run-ins with loose dogs
Naaaah?
> and there's no way i can control three dogs
Naaaaah? Despite your pronged spiked pinch choke an shock collars??
> plus somebody else's dog.
If you could CON-TROLL your own fear aggressive
hyperactive dogs you wouldn't need to CON-TROLL
anyWON else's dog. NO dog or human in their right
mind would challenge a nice pack of Pit Bulls and
their gentle owner walkin DHOWEN the street together.
> i simply do not have enough hands. i'll walk luce and harv
> or mushroom and harv, but not all three, and not luce and
> mushroom together.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> i've just been in too many scary situations.
Oh, you mean like when your fear aggressive hyperactive
dogs GO INSANE on your neighbor's dogs?
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY elegy you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant mental case and
Pit Bull RESCUER,
"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:b70im3dhe5f5nlbeg...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:11:55 -0800, Henry <n...@all.so> wrote:
>> Mixed terrier bitch, 30#, about 5 years old, rescued.
>> Good health, only one bad habit: attacks!
>> Can a shock collar be used to retrain this rescue that attacks
>> other dogs? So far she's not a biter but a barker/lunger, but if
>> this cannot be "fixed" she'll become unrescued. That would
>> be a pity because in other respects she's a fine dog, and with
>> people, she's wonderful.
> putting a shock collar on a dog-aggressive dog is a pretty horrible idea.
You mean, Vs puttin a shock collar on a
fearful / shy dog like your own, elegy?
> what other methods of retraining have you tried?
Well, you can BET he ain't tried MURDERIN his dog YET,
like HOWE you done your own last TWO DEAD "RESCUE"
dogs. REMEMBER, elegy?
> for my two dog-aggressive dogs, one was fear-based,
ALL aggression is FEAR, elegy. THAT'S HOWE COME
you MURDERED your own last TWO DEAD "RESCUE"
dogs. REMEMBER, elegy?
> so i used a lot of desensitization and rewarding for calm behavior.
That so? And yet you SEZ "neither is "fixed" in that
they're not trustworthy off-leash around strange dogs,"
so WHAT'S YOUR POINT, elegy? Are you a glutton
for PUNISHMENT every time you post your lies insanity
and idiocy to my forums?
> the other is just a bitchy dog-aggressive pit bull,
THAT'S INSANE, elegy. Here's your own "bitchy dog-aggressive
pit bull" GOIN INSANE from your "desensitization and rewarding
for calm behavior" on your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE
COLLAR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> so i've done a lot of work on self-control and attention.
THAT'S ABSURD. Your "attention" trainin means you offer
BRIBES to make your dog LOOK AT YOU instead of the
other critters she FEARS which makes your dog AGRESS
in order to GET THE COOKIE you're withHOWELDIN.
> neither is "fixed" in that they're not trustworthy off-leash around
> strange dogs, but nor are they problems leashed in pubic spaces.
Well that's just plain NOT TRUE, elegy. You recently called
animal CON-TROLL at least two times on your neighbor's
dogs when you ran across them ON LEASH in your neighborhood
and your own dogs who are "nor are they problems leashed in
pubic spaces" WENT INSANE. REMEMBER, elegy?
Well elegy, I AIN'T gonna dig up them "OLD POSTS" from last
month. We'll just move along to you HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an
MURDERIN your own last two DEAD rescue dogs and then into
you own POSTED CASE HISTORY of INCURABLE MENTAL
ILLNESS.
But first, would you answer just WON question, please, elegy?
HOWE COME would you set your INFORMATIVE posts to
EXXXPIRE in six days, elegy? Are you EMBARRASSED
by your own words, you lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
And NHOWE, let's get on with the elegy murderin
her own DEAD RESCUE dogs SHOWE:
On Oct 26, 6:06 pm, elegy <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:27:15 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
> <nob...@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
> > Puppy is about 7 months old. I'm trying to teach him "come."
> > Sometimes he does it fine. Other times, he just sits there, looks
>> at me and ignores me. It is extremely frustrating.
That ain't hardly as frustrating as MURDERIN your own
last TWO DEAD "RESCUE" dogs on accHOWENTA you
ABUSED them, is it, elegy, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable mental case.
> this is my favorite link for teaching a reliable recall
> <http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/Lesson6.html>
Yeah? Your friend Mistress Shirley is a B&D/S&M SPECIALIST
who can't train the come command withHOWET her trusty SHOCK
COLLAR you pathetic lyin animal murderin ignorameHOWES:
Here's your PAL, MISTRESS shirly chong,
crapHOWES CLICKER TRAINER:
"To be effective as a positive punisher, I set the level
of shock at a level high enough (in my best guesstimation)
to be unpleasant to the dog. I want the dog to startle a
bit and even yelp when they get shocked.
No, this is not pleasant.
After each shock, I call the dog again (because many
dogs tend to panic when something mysteriously reaches
out and stings them)."
But don't go away yet, my pretty flying monkey, there's MOORE:
"If the dog is still refusing the recall, then I escalate my
aversive a bit--usually, to taking two big handfuls of ruff
as I move backwards.
Some dogs do get "long line wise.""
No, some trainers are just long line stupid.
You can't force a dog to come.
"That is, they never refuse a recall while on the long line
but when the long line is gone, they are unreliable even if
the handler started with close recalls off lead in a familiar
(and safely fenced) area."
That's because you can't teach compliance with force no
matter HOWE gently you try to force. ANY force, even verbal
intimidation, will cause the opposition reflex to compel the
dog to do other than what you want.
Too bad you sharp trainers here don't understand that. It's
called positive thigmotaxis, and it's just as valid with a
choke collar as it is with a mental attitude. Force causes
the dog to not respond.
"IF the dog never ever refuses a recall while on the long
line, no matter what the distraction (and I am pretty good
at devising distractions for this test!), then I move to a
shock collar."
That's a competent clicker trainer, by golly!
Where do you people come off with that kind of crap?
Here's Miss Shirly, the CLICKER TRAINER you recommended to us:
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From: M Shirley Chong <eithne @forest.pcpartner.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:16:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
MasterofDelight wrote:
> Welcome back, and it sure did not take you long to pick up on
> the dog training thread. As you can see, you commentary was missed.
Thanks!
Yes, there's nothing more likely to lure me out of lurk
mode than a training question. I'd planned to lurk for
a couple weeks to get up to speed again but before I
knew it, the keyboard was rattling.
> OB:bdsm Do you give advice on "puppy training" too?
Sure! I may not have a clue as to what I'm talking
about but that never stops me.
Shirley eithne @direcway.com http://www.shirleychong.com
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From: M Shirley Chong <eit...@forest.pcpartner.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:48:53 -0500
Subject: Re: pregnancy and S&M?
dionysiangrrrl wrote:
> I just learned I'm pregnant, and while in most respects, I find it to be
> excellent news, I'm a little concerned about play time. I'm a fairly heavy
> masochist used to frequent beatings and torture, and have held back from
> play so far until I get a little more advanced, just to be safe. But if I
> make it healthily through the first trimester, does anyone have any advice
> for pregnancy whompings? (Besides the fairly obvious "no more gut
> punches" rule :)
Congratulations!
My advice is to ask your doctor. Because your doctor is the
one who knows your specific conditions, because there's a
lot of advice out there of varying quality (including this!)
and because it's important to have peace of mind that you
are doing the right thing at a time like this.
Most doctors have heard it all. If they haven't heard it all,
they should have. <G> If you have reason to believe that your
doctor may react badly then maybe that's an indication this
isn't the doctor for you.
Better to find this out now rather than when you are in
labor and not in the mood to holler at some rank narrow
mindedness and unable to gather your dignity and march out.
Those hospital gowns just don't cut it for dignified exits
unless you back out the door and then there's the little
problem of who is out in the hall.
Much easier in the long run to tell the truth.
Shirley
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From: redneckpai...@aol.comspam (Joe Sergio)
Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:51:40 GMT
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
JK said:
> Gee, let's see, why not take your dogs to a training school
> or ask your local police how they do it with their dogs?!
Ive already called the K9 officer in my town.
Left a message. He will get in touch with me.
> And I don't know do you think maybe slapping your dogs
> around so much and living with them, I mean all that
> attention you are giving them might just have something to
> do with why they like you and your family more than the
> neighbors?
I don't slap them around so much. I'll pop em, and all
when they do something wrong, and fuss at em. But I have
found something even better to make them stop what they
are doing.
A dustbuster. Just turn it on. Or show it to them. They
hate any type of vacum cleaner. It's worked about keeping
Jake out of the garbage. I sat in the kitchen a whole day,
and every time he went to the garbage can and went to stick
his head in, I turned it on. He stopped that.
Mainly I just pet them. They lay there by my chair and I
reach down and scratch them. They get up in the chair with
me. Tha'ts not easy when they are that big. But they still
think they are puppies. I do spoil them sometimes, but they
are my boys, and I love them.
> Hey, but this is the SSBB clearinghouse and you know the brain
> bucket is just outside and we do expect you to leave your brain
> there first before you post your problems here. Afterall, we all know
> that SSBB has all the answers you need for all your problems. Don't
> bother picking up your phone and calling around 'cause you got the
> good ole SSBB to help solve your problems.
You dumbass, I did call around and ask some advice from
other folks as well first. I posted it here because Miss
Shirley trains dogs, and there are a few folks here who
know more about it than I do.
Why do you try to turn every post you reply to into a noncon
humiliation scene with you topping? Could it be that this is
the only action your getting? LOL
> Time to fetch your brain. Come on boy you can do it. There you go.
I'd ask you to fetch yours, but I don't think you can
see something that small without a microscope.
--
Joe
Suck a lifesaver today, put a fireman in your mouth.
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From: M Shirley Chong <eit...@forest.pcpartner.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
Katharine H. wrote:
> He does pretty well in his "walking gear" -- which is what the prong
> and leash are. When I put the prong collar and leash on, he still shows
> other aggression behaviors to new men in the house but does not lunge
> (because he doesn't tighten his leash on the prong.) I think he does
> pretty well with the leash behaviors (given he's got a run-of-the-mill
> owner-type).
What other sorts of behaviours does he show?
> He is mostly fine when we are off the property. He still must stay
> leashed, but the only people he shows aggression to are fly fisherman
> (something about the gear freaks him out) and other dogs. Other people
> he basically ignores. My biggest issue are other dog owners whose dogs
> are off leash and want to come up and say hello. My beast will play well
> with a dog who submits, but will fight with one who doesn't.
I have a solution for that one. When some clueless idjit
allows their dog to come up to mine, I call over sweetly
"don't worry, the vet doesn't think he's infectious anymore."
A carryover from my years showing horses when idjits leading
a horse down the aisle of a barn would let their horse poke
it's head into my horse's stall. I'd grab a bottle of Ring-Ex
(ringworm medication) and start spritzing ostentatiously. And
mention that my vet thought we had the infestation cleared up.
I never mentioned that the bottle was full of plain water. <G>
If I'm not in a nice mood, I just scare the bejeebers out
of the oncoming dog to send it away. When they say "but
he's friendly" I say "well, I'm not." My dogs never have
to defend themselves on leash. I think they sort of enjoy
seeing me chase other dogs away, there's a certain smugness
in the way they lean against me while looking at the other dog.
> Bottom line though... this dog is killing my sex life because I can't
> introduce men into the house and I've been in the mood for men the past
> several months. I don't know what the hell I'm doing, so I've called a
> local trainer and she's going to teach me how to more effectively deal
> with the beast before I figure it's time to enter a monastary :-) This dog
> is so docile with me... the contrast in behaviors is amazing.
Nooooo, not the monastary! Your scene reports are
incredibly good and would be a loss to pervkind.
Shirley
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From: M Shirley Chong <eit...@forest.pcpartner.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:38:40 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed
I'm piggybacking from Nicole Diver:
> Katharine H. writes: "This is my new tactic -- my 3 yr old rottie/lab mix
> has become *extremely* aggressive when new people, in particular men,
> come onto his territory. All people who are coming to my home for the
> first time are warned to expect aggression. They are then given the option
> of dealing with the dog or not. If the new guests are not "dog people" I
> will make the choice for them and the dog will stay in the backyard while
> I have people over. If they do want to make friends with the dog, then the
> dog goes on a leash and prong collar when they enter the house. When I
> let them in, he is snarling, lunging, etc. As soon as the treats come out
> it's
> a whole new ballgame. The pup sits and wags his tail and is ready to
> make friends. It generally takes time for him to warm up to new men."
Katherine, I have nothing against the use of prong collars
and recommend them when I feel it is appropriate. Just like
any tool, there are situations when a prong collar is the
best tool for a job and there situations where a prong
collar is the worst tool for a job.
Prong collars do tend to magnify a dog's aggressive tendencies.
If the dog is at all inclined to bite unreasonably, the prong
collar will often send it right over the edge.
<snip BD/SM and proceed directly to MURDER>
Re: homer bit me :(
"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
news:e71pt2lsdt1ssklla...@4ax.com...
long ago and far away, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu> did say:
>elegy <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in
>news:1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg0...@4ax.com:
>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because i wigged out on him for it,
> I'm not sure you should be. Maybe it's because I'm used to dogs that'll
> keep pushing barriers just to find the limits (if any), but the bottom
> line is that Homer did something completely unacceptable (for whatever
> good and justified reason) and discovered that, yes, there is an upper
> boundary beyond which his new human gets a bit testy. That's a good
> thing for a dog of any age to learn.
i worry that he reacted out of fear
and i gave him more reason to fear.
luce is a huge barrier-pusher. i've wigged out
on her a few times, too, and that i don't think
was necessarily a bad thing. but with this guy,
because he's kinda timid and i think kinda
fearful, i feel bad about.
>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down enough to not do
>> anything else stupid.
> Well, see, you learned something valuable. Homer learned something
> valuable. It's all good. Neither of you will need to repeat this
> particular lesson. I hope so, anyway.
i put a harness on him and he seems much more
comfortable with having that held. he simply
cannot be handle-less until he learns things like
come, stay, and to go in his crate.
--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
http://shattering.org
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> i really recommend you find a good trainer
Oh, like HOWE you done for your own fear
aggressive DEAD "RESCUE" dog Homer?
> who is familiar with desensitization and dog-aggression,
Oh, you mean LIKE THIS:
Homer 1994 - 03.01.2007"
brothers and sisters i bid you beware
of giving your heart to a dog to tear
i put homer to sleep yesterday.
it was quite possibly the hardest thing i've ever done.
monday night i was trying to teach him to down using a
food lure. he wasn't getting it, so i put a hand on him to
try to encourage him to down. he attacked me, biting me
twice on the hand, and then when i stood up and backed
away, he came after me more and bit me on the leg as well.
i was shocked and devestated and a hundred other things.
i ended up emailing my trainer (who has turned out to be a
very kind friend) and she called me and i spent an hour on
the phone with her crying. she doesn't deal with aggression
cases, but she listened to me and talked me down. i hardly
slept that night.
tuesday i took homer in to work with me and had the vet
feel his neck. i didn't think it was a reaction due to pain
but i had to check it out. the vet put his hands on the sides
of homer's head and manipulated his head around. homer
didn't show any signs of pain or discomfort. he went
through the motions some more.
homer flipped out, with no warning, extremely violently. it
took him a long time (it felt like a lifetime. it was probably
around 3 minutes) to calm down enough that the vet could
take his hands off of homer without anybody getting hurt.
i went home for lunch and called a behaviorist. i spent a lot
of the day reading the brenda aloff aggression book and the
karen overall behavior book.
that night the behaviorist called me and i told her what had
happened and she asked questions and i answered them as
best i could.
she gave him a pretty poor prognosis.
everything that she said made sense to me, and nothing
she said was earth-shattering or even really anything
that i didn't already know.
this morning i took him in and held him close and cried into
his fur and told him how much i love him and let him go.
he was a dangerous dog. he bit unpredictably and with no
warning. he was a love, a snugglebug, a sweet sweet dog
as long as you didn't do anything he didn't want done. but
if you tried to "make" him do something he didn't want to
do, all bets were off. his reaction could be a snap or it could
be an over-the-top meltdown.
i couldn't live with a dog like that.
i *will not* live with a dog like that.
i've spent the last three days crying my eyes out. i never
imagined i could get that attached to a dog who i had for
all of 12 days and who bit me several times during those
12 days.
but i was. i loved him.
i loved him ferociously, but i had to let him go.
for his sake.
for my sake.
for the sake of luce and mushroom.
i feel horrible. heartbroken. guilty. angry.
and yet i don't regret him, not for one moment,
despite how things turned out.
Replies: 2 comments
i'm sorry, but human aggression is a deal-breaker, especially
unpredictable, unwarned human-aggression. there is too much
at stake and too much to lose.
Posted by e @ 03/26/2007 06:49 AM EST
You were just as unpredictable to Homer.
Shame on you for giving him only 12 days.
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> and work with them.
You mean like HOWE you done, elegy?
> how long have you had this dog?
That's IRRELEVENT, elegy. You MURDERED
your DEAD RESCUE dog Homer in less than
two weeks <{}: ~ ( >
elegy MURDERED her little DEAD Poodle "RESCUE"
DOG instead of simply PRAISING her for BEING
AFRAID and havin PAINICK ATTACKS JUST LIKE
HOWE she MURDERED her DEAD "RESCUE" dog
Homer *(who SOMEHOWE managed to LIVE to 12
years of age withHOWET HEELP from a RESCUER)
on accHOWENTA IT didn't LIKE being jerked an
choked and intimidated.
> My heart went out to that elderly dog, being dumped in a
> shelter at this stage of his life. Losing not only his only
> known home, but his owner at the same time. :(
Yeah, THAT'S HOWE COME elegy took in an freakin
MURDERED her LAST TWO DEAD "RESCUE DOGS".
HOWEDY elegy,
I been buildin a ramp myself, for you an your PALS!
"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:150rf39ahr0k086gm...@4ax.com...
> my little poodle was ancient and skinny as could be. she
> wore a sweater in the house in the winter, a t-shirt in
> spring and fall, and had a fleece coat to wear outside in
> winter, but she sure never turned down a walk.
AND THEN YOU MURDERED IT FOR BEIN AFRAID.
LIKE THIS:
"elegy" <e...@shattering.org> wrote in message
news:f0vbp0h8g3r1262v5...@4ax.com...
i never meant to own a poodle. i used to take those
online "what breed of dog is right for you tests"
and get poodle and go back and change my answers.
i especially never meant to own a little poodle.
sometimes life turns out to be the last thing you expect.
the first time i met her i had just started working
overnights by myself. she was hospitalized with
pneumonia and an ugly anal gland abscess. she
barked and carried on and peed in her cage every
twenty minutes and pretty much drove me crazy
all night and i absolutely couldn't stand her.
then one of our doctors brought her back to the
hospital for good. her owner had alzheimers and
had to go into a home, and pam said she'd take
siren and try to find her a home. the womans
other dog was an easy rehome- a 2 year old mini
poodle, cute as a button. but siren was 16, senile,
with advanced heart disease, not great kidneys,
full cataracts in both eyes, and no potty training
whatsoever.
she stayed about 2 months in the kennels. she
grew on me. i would leave her out with me at
night so she'd get some exercise and some
attention. one night i mentioned to the vet who
had brought her in that i wished i could take
her but was afraid i couldn't afford her.
she'd need multiple medications, regular bloodwork,
x-rays, etc. the vet offered to pay for her medical bills
if i'd give her a good home.
she told me she didn't expect siren to live more than
a year. she lasted 18 months and 4 days. she could
have kept going physically. but her little brain had
just run out. the past two weeks she's just been terrible.
she was pacing nonstop and wouldn't or couldn't stop.
i'd pick her up and try to bring her back to bed and
quiet her down, and her legs would just keep pacing
as i held her.
she was getting lost and stuck in corners, and at walls,
and in weird places i can't figure out how she got into.
she hardly knew where she was or what was going on
anymore.
and when i asked her what she wanted, all i got was
an overwhelming feeling of apathy.
so i took her in tonight after appointments and we
put her to sleep. it was one of the hardest decisions
i've ever had to make.
i think i've been crying for a week. i thought i was
cried out, but when the vet was giving her the
injection and started crying,
i lost it.
i'm home now and just feel so empty. i have to
figure out what to do with all her things. her bed.
her coats. i feel so lost.
they got me beautiful flowers at work and i keep
looking at them and tearing up again because i
am just so touched.
she was a special dog and she touched a lot of
people's lives. i miss her very much.
goodnight my little space princess. sleep sweet
and remember me in your dreams.
<http://escape.nightsfall.net/shudder/images/sirensunshine.jpg> > ---
> petey was a pit bull.
> http://shattering.org
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"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
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> long ago and far away, Darla Vladschyk <Darla4...@Gmail.com>
> did say:
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:44:47 -0500, elegy
><el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote:
>> everything is going swimmingly....
> Oh my gosh he's a handsome dude, and I am glad to
> hear that everyone is settling down and settling in!
> Good for you!
thanks. i'm amazed by how quickly he settled in here,
to be honest. i thought it was going to take much longer
for the young dogs to settle down around him.
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And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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02/25/2007: "the new dog."
Last saturday i adopted a 12 1/2 year old mixed breed dog from a local
shelter. my best guess is pit bull x beagle (does that make him a
piggle?). there's definitely beagle in there. anyway, he was at the
shelter because his owners got divorced. it was so cold there and he
was so sad and shivering and it was just terrible. it took me a long
time and several trips to see him before i made a decision, but in
the
end, i had to save him.
so homer is here now, 18" at the shoulder, a skinny 37 pounds. he's
doing great. it was a little rocky at the beginning, because the wild
young dogs want to play with him, and he doesn't appreciate their
demolition derby style of play. everybody's getting used to everybody
else though, now, and life is much more peaceful. homer's favorite
thing in the world is the red dog bed in my livingroom.
he's such a great dog. old dogs are so often overlooked in the
shelter, but he's fantastic. he's housebroken, quiet in the crate,
polite on a leash, friendly with people, tolerent of other dogs,
doesn't bark, doesn't chew, just wants to snuggle. i am so glad he's
here.
and he's got cool ears.
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Re: homer bit me :(
"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
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long ago and far away, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu> did say:
>elegy <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in
>news:1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg0...@4ax.com:
>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because
>> i wigged out on him for it,
> I'm not sure you should be. Maybe it's because
> I'm used to dogs that'll keep pushing barriers
> just to find the limits (if any), but the bottom
> line is that Homer did something completely
> unacceptable (for whatever good and justified
> reason) and discovered that, yes, there is an
> upper boundary beyond which his new human
> gets a bit testy. That's a good thing for a dog
> of any age to learn.
i worry that he reacted out of fear
and i gave him more reason to fear.
luce is a huge barrier-pusher. i've wigged out
on her a few times, too, and that i don't think
was necessarily a bad thing. but with this guy,
because he's kinda timid and i think kinda
fearful, i feel bad about.
>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down
>> enough to not do anything else stupid.
> Well, see, you learned something valuable.
> Homer learned something valuable. It's all
> good. Neither of you will need to repeat this
> particular lesson. I hope so, anyway.
i put a harness on him and he seems much more
comfortable with having that held. he simply
cannot be handle-less until he learns things like
come, stay, and to go in his crate.
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And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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"(38) golden rule of pit bull ownership"
never trust a pit bull not to fight.
we need to remember where these dogs came
from, what image we created them in.
we designed these dogs as the ultimate canine gladiators,
faced them off in combat, selected for those who won.
we humans have been doing this selective dog breeding
thing for a long time. we're good at it.
and the result, with pit bulls, is dogs who will fight to the death,
dogs who will not back down, dogs who fight to win. period. because
it's instinct.
so when we keep multiple dogs together, multiple pit bulls especially,
there's always some risk. it's important to be careful, to be
vigilant, to take precautions, and to accept that there's always the
possibility of something happening and the responsibility of taking
care of it.
my dogs are never together unsupervised. if they're outside, i'm with
them. if i'm not home, they're crated. i'd prefer it be otherwise, but
it's not safe. 99% of the time they're great together. they adore each
other. they snuggle with each other. they play with each other.
but every once in awhile tempers flare. every once in awhile
they have a go at each other. it's never come to anything serious- a
bit of blood, dogs who have had to be separated- but when it was over
it's always been over.
but someday it could be otherwise. people who keep multiple pit bulls
always live with the chance that one day those dogs won't get along,
that one day the winds will change and they'll have two dogs who
cannot be together, period. there are people who make households work
with separated dogs. i don't envy them one bit. it can't be easy.
so i take what precautions i can, stop what fights i can before they
start. i only give extremely valuable goodies like fresh bones when
the dogs are in their crates (used bones are fine loose). i don't
allow humping or any blatant dominance displays. normal behavior?
sure. a big fight trigger? you better believe it. so it doesn't happen
here. because i said so.
and i keep my fingers crossed and hope that we will always have peace
and two puppies piled in my bed at night happily snoring.
Replies: 3 comments
I have to keep mine seperated sometimes, but it's not constant or
definate. If one is having a bad day, they're in one place and the
others are somewhere else.
Posted by dublin___sky @ 07/30/2006 03:47 AM EST
it must suck bigtime.
if it came to that with my dogs, my parents would
probably take mushroom for me, but it'd break my heart.
Posted by elegy @ 07/30/2006 03:40 AM EST
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "K" <CATLOV...@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:24:15 GMT
Subject: why is it
that people think that the things that you think about and tell them
about are never bad enough to be the cause of what you're feeling?
oh he didn't do this or do that. well it means a lot to a two year
old. or a ten year old.
or a mother who denies that things are bad. is it some kind of
competition for sadness? or abandonment? i want someone to tell me
this.
~K, confused and in melancholy
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "Fiona E. McClellan" <Fio...@altavista.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:14:29 -0500
Subject: Re: why is it
K wrote:
> i jsut want her to listen and actually HEAR me. not who
> or what she wants to hear, but me, me for who i am and
> what's been done to me.
I hear this. I could have written this.
And my mother will probably never hear me.
Fiona
--
If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did
not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so
welcome.-- Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "K" <CATLOV...@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:31:34 GMT
Subject: Re: why is it
> I agree, things mean a lot to children, and affect us
> more than we sometimes want to admit. Denial by
> mothers is also very difficult.
> It is not a competition, not at all. There is more than
> enough sadness to go around in the world, alas. Your
> sadness is as valid and as important as anyone else's.
> I wish I had more and better words of comfort for you
> today.
> But I'm listening and I care.
> Fiona
i just wish things had turned out differently between us.
~K
"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
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everything is going swimmingly. the biting issue has been resolved
with a harness, but he's also learning/listening to commands better,
so there's not really much need to
physically direct him now, which is good.
he's sleeping upstairs on a dogbed on my bedroom floor at night
instead of in his crate, he's eating better (though he still takes for
freaking ever) and things have settled down so that it's not such a
three ring circus here. i am grateful.
this morning i invited him up on the bed for a snuggle and he hopped
up, spun around, flopped down, rolled on his back, and gazed at me so
adoringly. i am so glad he is here.
<http://shattering.org/images/homerportrait.jpg>
you know what's funny? i didn't meet him out of the kennel the first
time i saw him because he was humping his blanket non-stop and that
kinda grossed me out. he doesn't hump anything here.
my only gripes about him is that he's a wandering pooper, and that his
nails are so freaking disgustingly long but i can't take more than a
tiny sliver off the ends because his quicks are also so freaking long.
poor guy.
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And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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SEE? SEE?? SEE???
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey
And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic
Medications ABUSE Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
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Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> FurPaw <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I know it's a huge inconvenience, but I don't think it's likely that your
>>dog just suddenly decided that he's not going out because it's not
>>convenient - it's not stubbornness or belligerence.
INDEED?
>> Continue to look for a cause in the meds, pain,
>> or some other illness not yet diagnosed.
Oh, you mean anXXXIHOWESNESS an FEAR <{}';~ ) >
> That's what I was doing by posting here.
INDEED? AS STATED, richard:
"I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >"
Here's your LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE PAL
funky foots who MURDERED her own DEAD HOWEskat for
THE SAME PROBLEM:
HOWEDY funkyfoots, you PATHETIC miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> tanya wrote:
>> Well hello, as with many others I have a black lab who is giving us a
>> bit of grief and we have no clue what to do! Gibson is a year old, and
>> a beautiful dog but....he eats everything in sight! Yeah, I know this
>> is normal but does anyone have any clues or hints on what to do?
>
> Some clues and hints, no easy fixes.
INDEED? Hadn't you learned from your own DEAD DOG
Dylan that eatin CRAP can MURDER you, funkyfoots??
Here's YOU MURDERIN your own HOWEskat:
From: FurPaw (furpawn...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: OT:urk..cat poop
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Date: 2002-07-03
<snip>
yecchh! Now, why was he demanding
that YOU clean it up?
Once I had a housemate who acquired a
stray cat while I was on vacation. Before
I knew about the cat, when I walked into the
bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn,
Sarah must not have done laundry for WEEKS!"
Shortly after that, I spotted the cat.
Further investigation revealed that the damned
cat had been sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's
shoes. MINE.
Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm
allergic and he was treading on thin ice in that
domain already. He clinched it a couple of days
later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom
(now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white
Shepherd mix) came trotting around the corner.
Cat freaked, clawed and bit me.
Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter
the next day. (I would have had the same reaction
if the dog had bit me.)
FurPaw
-
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
HOWEDY funkyfoots,
Add these to your posted case history of DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome caused by jerking
and choking your dogs:
"I'm out more than $5,000 in the past year because I
have one dog who developed a heart condition and
another one who required surgery for laryngeal paralysis
and went blind in one eye, reason unknown; in addition
to the surgery, a lot of diagnostic tests were required for
each one."
BWEEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
>> When we are not home, Gibson stayed in a run that is huge (the size of
>> most yards in the city). He had plenty to do and shade in his run! One
>> day he decided to escape so...he jumped/scaled the six foot fence,
>> and now always does this when you put him in there! So, we started
>> keeping him in a kennel, but both my husband and I thought this was
>> cruel, as there are times when we both work quite late and he is in
>> there too long. Our last resort was a 30ft leash. He seems to like
>> this, but eats everything. He has eaten our barbecue cover, Christmas
>> lights, our little boys tractor, wagon...and so on! WHAT do we
>> Do?????
>
> From what you say, it sounds like Gibson is bored,
That's curiHOWES; BORED DOGS SLEEP.
> left alone too much and for too long,
Seein as you MENTAL PATIENTS believe as 'z dog
wheeesperer' sez: "dogs live in the moment", bein left
alone for too much an too long AIN'T a PROBLEM as
it's only moments, to the dog's mind <{}'; ~ ) >
furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
> and isn't getting enough exercise to tire him out.
That's ABSURD and INSANE. Hyperactive behaviors are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING and ABUSE, not lack of
EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCISE <{}: ~ ( >
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it
manifests itself in the conditional reflex,
consists of a continual change of these three
fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition
and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward /
punishment procedure developing imitative speech
in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic
boys. After twenty-six days the boys are reported
to have been learning new words with alacrity.
HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a
delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical
emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of
the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to
five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily
with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
> You need to fix all of these.
INDEED?
> (Did I say no easy fixes?)
That's right, you DID SAY that; HOWEver, you're a MENTAL
PATIENT. That's ABSURD and INSANE, you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE <{}: ~ ( >
furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
> Can you put a cover (e.g. chain link fencing) over the top of his run to
> keep him contained?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> What training have you given him?
It's your ignorameHOWES viciHOWES "OBEDIENCE
TRAINING" that CAUSES hyperactive behavior <{}: ~ ( >
> Have you taken him to obedience training?
You mean like HOWE you done your own DEAD
an DEATHLY ILL dogs, funkyfoots??
> Do you spend at least a half hour each day training him, to help occupy
> his brain?
That's ABSURD and INSANE, funkyfoots <{}: ~ ( >
> How often/how far do you walk him every day?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> What have you done to move "edibles" (as defined by Gibson) out of his
> reach? What do you substitute? (E.g., filling a large Kong with treats
> and peanut butter and freezing it might keep him occupied for an hour;
That's ABSURD and INSANE, funkyfoots <{}: ~ ( >
Puttin GARBAGE into a kong toy an forcin the to to work
hard to remove it INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and
DRIVES DOGS INSANE <{}: ~ ( >
> decrease the amount you feed him correspondingly).
Oh, you mean LIKE THIS, funkyfoots?:
"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I had to leave Molly in her crate today, because I was in an
all-day workshop, and Hubster was out of town.
I came home at lunch to find:
1. the twin-sized blanket that covered her crate PULLED
INSIDE through the bars and in the process of being shredded.
2. the quilt on the bed next to the crate in the process of
being chewed (but not pulled into the crate)
3. the pad in her crate all scrunched up.
I guess a filled Kong wasn't enough to occupy her for 4 hours.
Then this afternoon, when Hubster arrived home, he heard a loud
bark - not from the back of the house, from the dining room. How
did she get out? Well, there's a small door on the front of the
crate with a single latch, for putting things into the crate
after the dog is inside. She had somehow opened the latch and
squeezed through the small opening. Fortunately, she didn't do
much damage in the house. That door is now locked.
The latches on the main door on the crate are the same type.
Hubster thinks the likelihood that she will open both is slim. I
think we need another lock.
Damn dog is smarter than I am! (But what a lover! After
breakfast, she [all 41 lb of her] likes to climb on my lap for a
cuddle. I'm teaching her to ask politely.)
FurPaw
--
Don't believe everything that you think.
To reply, unleash the dog.
---------------------------
> Is there someone you could pay to come over during the long days he's
> alone and walk Gibson? Any doggie day
> care in your area where you could take him a few days
> each week?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Gibson is an amazing dog in the house, but is just too big to always be
>> inside. We do live in a rural community, and he has an acre to play on,
>> but unfortunately everytime we take him off the leash he is gone, so we
>> cant just let him play off the leash, or he'll go gallavanting, which
>> would be ok, but with this "eating" problem I'm concerned he may wreak
>> havoc on our friends and neighbours properties.
>
> Even if he didn't eat everything in sight, it is NOT OK if Gibson goes
> gallivanting, even if you do live in the country. Running loose, he can
> get into a lot of trouble, get hit by a car, picked up by animal control,
> shot by a farmer who doesn't appreciate him harassing livestock, etc.
You think she lives near diddler, funkyfoots?
> If you want to be able to play with him off-leash, you need to train him
> to have a reliable recall (come when you call), and
> you will probably need the help of an experienced trainer to establish
> that.
THAT'S ABSURD and INSANE, AIN'T IT, funkyfoots <{}: ~ ( >
> Do any of you skate or cycle or run? You could train him to run along
> side you to give him vigorous exercise.
That so? Don't you think "trainin" IT to run with her will TEACH
the dog to WANT to roam his neighborhood, funkyfoots?
>> I knew that black labs have quite the reputation, but we rescued this
>> poor guy when he was we think 6-8 months old and now he is probably
>> 12-14 months. We hate the idea of passing him onto a friend on the
>> farm, but are thinking maybe that is the only option. If anyone has
>> any thoughts, or ideas please feel free to write me. :)
>
> An adolescent Lab can be a real handful,
Sez you, funkyfoots? You're a lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE.
> and some say they don't get their branes until they're about 3...
Oh, you mean accordin to PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS, funkyfoots?
> I hope you can find a way to expend some of Gibson's energy -
> a tired dog is a good dog!
That's ABSURD and INSANE <{}: ~ ( >
furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
> FurPaw
Your own DEAD an DEATHLY ILL dogs have suffered
EVERY nutritional and iatrogenic DIS-EASE and veterinary
MALPRACTICE in creation <{}: ~ ( >
> To reply, unleash the dog.
Here come da dawgs; Here's fur paw's own POSTED CASE HISTORY:
HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
rotten animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,
"FurPaw" <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote in message
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> elegy wrote:
>> 4 hours to the minute (12:29, 4:29) later. only lasted about 15 seconds,
>> and he recovered much more quickly. he's been whiney ever since, but
>> otherwise seems ok.
>> i'm sick to my stomach.
>> i don't like this at all.
> I hope your vets can find an answer. Dylan started having seizures a
> couple of years before she died;
Naaaah?
> they were brought under control with phenobarbital.
Of curse. Seizures are caused by STRESS from abuse <{}: ~ ( >
> Sending lots of good thoughts for Harv and you.
WHAAAAAHT, NO PREYERS?
> FurPaw
HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic life
long incurable malignant mental case,
"FurPaw" <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote in message
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> tiny dancer wrote:
>> "FurPaw" <furrealpaw...@gmaildog.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ff-dneRhgtzSm17a...@comcast.com...
>>> tiny dancer wrote:
>> snipped>
>>> For example, SSRIs, particularly Paxil, are used to treat
>>> Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, which is classified as an anxiety
>>> disorder.
>>> And they do have the 'side effect' of reducing anxiety.
>> Yes, I understand that, just as something like xanax does
>> have a bit of an anti depressive quality to it.
> Then why did you say, "I'm curious as to the designation of an SSRI as an
> 'anti-anxiety' drug though."
>>>> Something like xanax or klonipen? I thought those were occasionally
>>>> used on dogs for 'short term' treatments for things such as behavior
>>>> modification? I also 'thought' they had fewer negative side-effects.
>>> Depends on what you consider to be a negative side effect. Both have
>>> their share.
>> Yes, they do. I was thinking along the lines of the more severe side
>> effects, something like tardive dyskinesia and liver metabolization as
>> opposed to the milder, dry mouth, nausea or abdominal distress, etc.
> Tardive dyskinesia? The rate of this in humans is extremely low with
> SSRIs, much, much lower than it is with antipsychotics, and in some
> reports it's not clear that it wasn't a pre-existing condition or a result
> of a combination of drugs.
> Liver metabolization isn't a side effect - it's what the liver does to
> drugs (and many other substances).
> FurPaw
furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
Your own dogs have had EVERY STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizards' Syndrome, in
creation. You coulda bought an paid for a full service commercial
kennel with the bucks you've WASTED on incompetent veterinary
malpractice care!
THAT MAKES YOU A EXXXPERT!
HERE'S PROOF!:
Here's YOU MURDERIN your own HOWESkat:
From: FurPaw (furpawn...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: OT:urk..cat poop
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Date: 2002-07-03 16:23:10 PST
<snip>
yecchh! Now, why was he demanding
that YOU clean it up?
Once I had a housemate who acquired a
stray cat while I was on vacation. Before
I knew about the cat, when I walked into the
bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn,
Sarah must not have done laundry for WEEKS!"
Shortly after that, I spotted the cat.
Further investigation revealed that the damned
cat had been sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's
shoes. MINE.
Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm
allergic and he was treading on thin ice in that
domain already. He clinched it a couple of days
later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom
(now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white
Shepherd mix) came trotting around the corner.
Cat freaked, clawed and bit me.
Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter
the next day. (I would have had the same reaction
if the dog had bit me.)
FurPaw
-
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
HOWEDY funkyfoots,
Add these to your posted case history of DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome caused by jerking
and choking your dogs:
"I'm out more than $5,000 in the past year because I
have one dog who developed a heart condition and
another one who required surgery for laryngeal paralysis
and went blind in one eye, reason unknown; in addition
to the surgery, a lot of diagnostic tests were required for
each one."
BWEEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
> but I also think I'd take her to a different vet, maybe even an internal
> medicine specialist if one is available to you. Has your vet done any
> blood work to look for liver failure, or anything else?
Yeah. His vet's been treatin her for 9 years, funkyfoots.
> Did she examine a stool sample?
AS STATED, you pathetic moron.
> Is there any sign of blood (either red or dark & tarry- looking) or mucus
> in the stool?
AS STATED, you pathetic moron.
> Two things raise a red flag for me: One is her weight loss
> despite being fed larger portions, especially if it was rapid
Naaaah?
> (how long did it take for her to lose 10 lb?). The second is her evident
> pain when she has a bowel movement.
Naaah? Hey funky foots? We DON'T KNOW if it's
PAIN or ANXXXIHOWESNESS that's causin the
whining when she SHITS. Evidently the dog DON'T
WHINE when IT SHITS in their HOWES <{}:~ ( >
> As others have pointed out,
You mean the OTHER MENTAL CASES, funky foots?
> that could be due to arthritis or hip dysplasia,
That's curiHOWES. There AIN'T NO OTHER CASE
HISTORY DATA SUPPORTING THAT IDIOCY.
> but would that account for the weight loss or the softer stools at the
> end of her bowel movement?
Of curse not. HOWEver, ANXXXIHOWESNESS WOULD.
> I hope you find an answer for your girl soon.
LikeWIZE.
> FurPaw
LIKE THIS:
"FurPaw" <furrealpaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:I56dnbtG5NUeB-fb...@comcast.com...
> Charlotte wrote:
>> I`m feeling very bad that I`ve beaten her. But there really was no way I
>> could have found some reliable source as in my country,
>> animal rights and training isn`t an issue people care about...
>> But I want to be one of the few who care.
>
> Good for you!
That's curiHOWES comin from the likes of you
AIN'T IT, funkyfoots? Your own dogs have been
sufferin an DYIN from your own SHEER IDIOCY
and inability to train them. Perhaps you should tell
Charlott abHOWET your own DEAD DOG who
DIED from anaphylaxis from eatin a bag of granola
that he STOLE and your other SUCCESS stories
like DESTROYIN your HOWES till they're two
years old an gettin CANCER from STRESS from
your ABUSIVE TRAININ and garbage commercial
diet and toxic veterinary treatments?
> What country to you live in?
That's IRRELEVENT funkyfoots. The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard trains
dogs ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD <{) ; ~ ) >
> This web site has links to many articles about dog behavior, problems,
> training. http://www.dogplay.com/Behavior/index.html
No, THAT'S Master Of Deception blankman, a other
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
mental case like yourself. She don't post her lies abuse
and IDIOCY here abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE.
> How old is she?
That's IRRELEVENT you simply amazingly
incredible animal murderin IDIOT.
> Make sure she gets lots and lots of exercise,
That's ABSURD you freakin simpleton. Dogs DO
NOT HAVE behavior problems on accHOWENTA
lack of EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCISE they have
temperament and behavior problems on accHOWENTA
ABUSE like you and your punk thug coward mental
case pal Master Of Deception blankman recommend:
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
> via walking and play.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAA!!!
> Tired dogs are much less likely to get into trouble.
That's SHEER IDIOCY you freakin MENTAL CASE.
> Try to anticipate her "bad" behavior, so that you can intervene and
> prevent it;
That's INSANE.
> then reward her immediately with praise or a treat for doing something
> "good" -
THAT REINFORCES BAD BEHAVIOR:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
> such as sitting down.
THAT will teach the dog to HATE bein trained:
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated."
> If she is afraid of you because you have beat her, it will take a lot of
> patience to win back her trust.
THAT'S BUNK.
> Be kind and gentle with her, don't raise your voice,
You mean unless you're tellin IT "NO!"?
> give her lots of little treats, try to entice her to play and have fun
> with you.
THAT'S INSANE. You CAN'T BRIBE love
trust and RESPECT you pathetic MENTAL
CASE.
> Just like human babies, puppies require a lot of your time and
> supervision.
Yeah, if you don't know HOWE to pupperly
handle an train them they're LOTS of REALLY
REALLY REALLY HARD WORK <{}: ~ ( >
> It took you several years to learn how to behave; puppies don't even take
> as long as humans, but they still require a lot of effort.
Yeah, when you BRIBE CRATE and INTIMIDATE
them and AVOID trainin opportunities and give them
LOTS an LOTS of EXXXORCISE to CON-TROLL
their hyperactive behaviors.
> And using rewards, train her to sit, lie down, stay, walk on a leash,
> heel, come when called.
THAT'S HOWE COME THEY'RE REALLY
REALLY REALLY HARD TO TRAIN.
> This site talks about using a clicker to help with the training.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAAA!!!
Master Of Deception blankman and lying
frosty dahl EXXXPERIMENTED with
clicker training to SUBVERT The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method <{) ; ~ ) >
THEY FAILED to successfully CLICKER TRAIN
their own dogs. See "Clicker Project FIZZLES":
From: Amy Dahl (a...@oakhillkennel.com)
Subject: Clicker retriever project fizzles
Date: 1999/06/19
Thanks to all who gave advice before. I figure I owe
you an update, but in some ways the news is not good.
Although I learned some really useful things from
the reading material that was suggested, somewhere
between the personality of the student and the manner
in which I applied the material, we didn't get too far
with the clicker stuff.
Basically although I kept the sessions shorter (fewer
repetitions/rewards than the 50-80 recomended by my
various sources), Rosie seemed to get bored. I went
from dry kibble to soaked kibble to pupperoni to hot
dogs in the attempt to keep her motivated.
As I said before she learned left-side walking in about
one session but I abandoned it. Then I worked on
targeting and on "speak." Rosie did well at both until
I tried to reward only when I used the cue.
I went back to giving the cue and rewarding every time.
Still, though, she'd get about two or three hot dogs then
grab either the target stick or something else to carry
around, or go over to the picnic table with the pile of
retrieving dummies and look meaningfully at them.
My suspicion is that this outcome is more a consequence
of Rosie's nature than my application of the method. I
have always been very good at reading and following
directions (and I had videos, too).
She, however, is bred from a long line of die-hard
retrievers who were selected, not only for their love
of retrieving, but for their potential to be trained
effectively by "show-'em- and-make-'em" methods.
Amy Dahl
BWEEEAAAHAAAA!!!
Here's the deal on clicker trainin:
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> Jen "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7ze...@comcast.com...
> > Hello, Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for positive-
> > only dog training, in particular clicker training?
> > Thanks, Lucy
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was enough people
> interested maybe we could start one. I've just started clicker training my
> dog and have been doing the positive training for a while now.
>
> I think it's great!!
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.
Dr. Von
---------------
gary wilcox of Massachusetts Institute of Technology
impressed professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer of
the ANAL-ytic behavior department Master's Degree
Program at UofWI with his DELAYED PUNISHMENT
methods to augment his clicker training FAILURES.
Clicker trainin RELIES on offering and witholding
BRIBES which INCREASES anxiety to dangerous
levels which the critter will likely to REFLEX to
when asked even years later, to do the commands
he was originally "trained" to do.
In the event of additional stress, such as when greeting
guests at the door or meetin a dog in the park or seein
a kat, may push the dog over the top and instigate an
accidental bite.
> It's full of good advice on training,
No it ain't, she's a liar and dog abuser and MENTAL
CASE, like yourself and your punk thug coward pals.
Clicker trainin ONLY works when the trainer can
CON-TROL ALL the food in the environment and
provided the critter is HUNGRY, therefore EXPERT
clicker trainers FEED THE ENTIRE DIET as part of
the clicker training program.
Here's your pathetic miserable stinkin lyin plagiarizing
punk thug coward mental case pal diane blankman on
CLICKER TRAININ:
From: black...@dog-play.com
Date: 1999/12/07
Subject: Re: The e-collar debate on RPDB
Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@home.com> wrote:
: Amy Dahl wrote:
:> Another reason that group hasn't flocked to clickers
:> might be that, as it appears to me looking at Morgan
:> Spector and Gary Wilkes, all-new methods needed to
:> be devised to teach the same old stuff. Retriever work
:> is so incredibly sophisticated that devising all-new
:> methods is a seriously daunting task.
: I think you're absolutely right. There's a corollary in
: the almost universal use of purely positive training
: techniques in agility, a newer sport without a long-
: established body of work on how it "should" be done.
Hmmm, well "purely positive" is a bit of a mantra on
the agility training lists but I don't know very many
trainers who are successful and actually do "purely
positive."
In my observation it is mostly positive training, a
modest amount of negative punishment (withdrawing
of something the dog wants to correct unwanted
behavior) and most trainers do judiciously use positive
punishment although less frequently and in a much
milder form than is common in other dog sports.
Corrections are very common even in agility. For
example, if the dog self releases from a contact zone
the typical response is to correct the dog by picking
it up and re-placing it on the contact zone.
: I'm not familiar with Spector's or Wilkes' work in
: field training, but I've seen some real problems when
: people try to apply new techniques to areas they don't
: actively participate in. Both Gary Wilkes and
: Clothier/Rice have written and lectured on training
: a SAR alert and mantrailing, respectively. Neither
: work is respected by people who actually do those
: things, because it is simply incomplete and inadequate.
: It seems that people need to have some experience
: with the full training program before they can
: understand it well enough to redesign parts of it.
The biggest disappointment I had in that clicker class
I took was that the instructor, a SAR particiapant, did
not demonstrate the strengths of the clicker for particular
SAR related tasks such as scent work.
The sad thing was is that she failed to "sell" the
technique based on its strengths and thus lost the
opportunity to broaden the horizons of the participants.
I don't know what the problem was, except that likely
she may be a fine trainer but an inadequate teacher.
Diane Blackman
d...@dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAA!!
Here's YOU MURDERIN your own HOWESkat:
From: FurPaw (furpawn...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: OT:urk..cat poop
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Date: 2002-07-03 16:23:10 PST
<snip>
yecchh! Now, why was he demanding
that YOU clean it up?
Once I had a housemate who acquired a
stray cat while I was on vacation. Before
I knew about the cat, when I walked into the
bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn,
Sarah must not have done laundry for WEEKS!"
Shortly after that, I spotted the cat.
Further investigation revealed that the damned
cat had been sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's
shoes. MINE.
Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm
allergic and he was treading on thin ice in that
domain already. He clinched it a couple of days
later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom
(now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white
Shepherd mix) came trotting around the corner.
Cat freaked, clawed and bit me.
Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter
the next day. (I would have had the same reaction
if the dog had bit me.)
FurPaw
-
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
That's not the only critter you've murdered.
> and you don't even have to use a clicker, just another sound, like
> clucking your tongue, to immediately reward the behavior you want to see.
The clicker method relies on OFFERING and
WITHOWELDING BRIBES till the critter
throw MINDLESS MEANINGLESS UNTHINKING
behaviors to RELEASE the REWARD from the
human Skinner Box <{}: ~ ( >
IT FAILS 10% of the time GUARANTEED,
even when done by EXXXPERT clicker trainers.
ASK karen pryor, she MURDERED her own
DEAD KAT when she COULDN'T clicker
train IT not to shit an piss in her stove top.
> Keep your training sessions short, follow them with play,
> and above all, have fun with your puppy!
You're a IMBECILE.
> http://www.clickertraining.com/
Oh, THAT'S karen pryor's website! You
might wanna ask gary wilcox of M.I.T.
HOWE COME he had to resort to DELAYED
PUNISHMENT when his clicker trainin FAILED?
AND you MIGHT wanna ASK HER HOWE COME
she MURDERED HER OWN DEAD KAT when
SHE COULDN'T TRAIN IT <{}'; ~ ) >
> FurPaw
Here's your own funky POSTED CASE HISTORY:
"FurPaw" <> wrote in message
news:pMudnX0-Cro...@comcast.com...
> LDRS News Glo wrote:
> > << From: "The Puppy Wizard" <<
BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
> Medicate yourself, wimp-limp-wizard. You'll feel MUCH better. Killfile
> this guy and above all don't respond to him. Furpaw
furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
> His biggest thrill is getting a rise out of someone.
"FurPaw" <furrealpaw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:r_edndhNrs2Htz3Y...@comcast.com...
> elegy wrote:
>> or, you know, controlling the amount of food the dog gets. mushroom would
>> gladly weigh 500 pounds if i'd let him. he's a boy who loves his food.
> We have two like that. Oppie, our yellow Lab, is an eating machine.
> He defines the term, "food motivated."
THAT'S on accHOWENTA he's INSECURE.
Dogs have the same eatin disorders as people
for the same reasons.
> And so is Chile, our chihuahua.
Naaaah?
> When she was about 3, our GSD, Dylan, was going through a finicky period.
Yeah. That was pryor to his POISON eatin stage.
> Chile duly observed this, and one day when Dylan didn't eat her
> breakfast, Chile did. We caught her just as she was licking the
> last molecules out of Dylan's bowl. Despite the look of utter bliss
> on her face, we thought she was going to explode!
> Chile has since told me that that was the only time in her life that
> she actually got enough to eat. Despite their complaints and doleful,
> waif-like, edge-of-starvation looks, we keep them where we can see the
> outlines of their ribs.
That's ABSURD.
> FurPaw
Here's HOWE COME your dogs are "FOOD MOTIVATED":
Subject: Re: Why does my Retriever push his nose around
his food dish-does a little dance with his head
On 2006-12-29 11:07:10 -0500, "monkey" <kellieasp...@sympatico.ca>
said:
> Before and after eating my golden retriever pushes his food dishes with
> his nose-around it- as if he is doing a little dance. Does anyone know
> why this happens?? its really weird, it goes on for like 10-15 mins.. Any
> suggestions???
If it bothers you, take the food dish up. Have the dog sit
and wait for release before eating. If the dog wants to play
with the bowl, take the bowl up. Wait a while and try again.
I'd suggest that if the dog continues,
the dog might miss a meal.
If you're concerned about the dog not eating,
put the dog is a sit-stay, put some kibble on
the floor and release the dog to eat.
The simple answer is, "don't let the dog do that."
The dog has trained itself (and you) that this is
an acceptable ritual. If it is not acceptable, train
the dog to behave differently.
Does the dog only do this at your house?
In the regular feeding room? With you?
--
http://4dsgn.com
Subject: GSD people
From: YourDoggysMomma @HushMail.Com
Date: Tues, Jul 19 2005 8:42 am
HOWEDY funky foots,
FurPaw wrote:
> Paula wrote:
> > So what are GSDs really like and why is it that
> > some of you have become addicted to them?
Kinda like HOWE funky foot's DEAD DOG Dylan
GOT ADDICTED to SEALING and EATING POISON.
> I've had one, Dylan. Where to begin?
Let's BEGIN with the day Dylan ATE POISON
and GOT DEAD on accHOWENT of you couldn't
train him NOT to STEAL STUFF and EAT POISON.
> She had a mind of her own,
That so, funky foots?
> was smart, loyal, demanding, funny.
AND DEAD.
> She adored kids and put up with a lot of their pulling and tugging. She
> was very gentle with our Chihuahuas and let them chase her. She
> roughhoused with our Lab until both were exhausted. She was an alpha,
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!
> and it took a couple of years of training to persuade
> her that she wasn't going to push me aside -
INDEED?
Is THAT HOWE COME she STOLE and ATE POISON?
> but with maturity she became a wonderful companion.
You mean DESPITE DYIN at 9 years from EATIN STUFF
SHE STOLE and of curse, overcoming multiple CANCERS?
> --
> "Don't believe everything that you think." - Seen on a bumper sticker To
> reply, unleash the dog
From: "The Amazing Puppy Wizard" <TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Yahoo.Com>
Date: 12 Feb 2005 13:18:27 -0800
Subject: Re: JE yadda yadda yadda
HOWEDY funky foots you ignorant cretin,
Thanks to dog lovers like you we got The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME where a "MILESTONE"
is a GSD livin till NINE YEARS OLD despite
his CANCERS and PHOBIAS and DEATHLY
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES.
Here's a few HAPPY posts from your
own miserable posted case history:
You're some kinda dog lover...
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:47:16 -0500
Subject: Re: White German Sheperd Problems
Hello furpaw,
"FurPaw" <furpawn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3CA5CAF7...@comcast.net...
> E. L. Ryan & Co wrote:
> > Scott Delibac <sdeli...@mitre.org> wrote in message
> > news:3CA22A77...@mitre.org...
> >> Im not sure where I failed, we have gone to training,
> >> and have tried for
> > This sounds all too familiar.
You mean you got the same problem, and are
willing to share what you've done to continue
the problem or changed your lifestyle to cope
with it.
> I second the training recommendation.
Of course! That's what helped you out sooo
much with your own problem dog. Or more
correctly, that's what CAUSED your problem
dog.
> And would add, give him a lot of exercise!
Yes, use excessive exercise to control out of
control behaviors cause you don't have effective
training methods.
> Your description fits our girl Dylan (not white, BTW) to a T.
Very interesting. White GSD's often have a
"genetic component" to their hyperactive behavior.
> We trained and trained and trained... several trainers, methods, lots of
> time spent with her.
Yes, an excellent idea, furpaw. Tell us HOWE you
were taught to jerk and choke and confine and
intimidate and excessively exercise your dog every
day for years, to FORCE IT to do as you make IT.
> Some may say that the methods weren't effective or applied properly.
Well, let's just DISCUSS what you did, and EVEN
YOU will be able to see and understand the insanity
of your so called training methods that caused the
problems you've dealt with UNSUCCESSFULLY.
> Could be - we were novices
No. Could be you relied on DISINFORMATION
from our lying dog abusing Thugs.
That's what COULD BE.
> when it came to training a very dominant dog.
What DOMINANT? That's BULLSHIT. Dogs don't
have DOMINANCE issues unelss someone is
PROVOKING them. And then it's not dominance,
it's FEAR.
> We kept looking for nonpunitive methods that would get her under control.
BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!! You didn't FIND any, did you.
> Convincing her that she was NOT Alpha took a lot of work.
Yes, because you fought with, choked,
crated and intimidated her.
> By the time she was about three, she had turned into a real sweetheart.
There ya go! And your trainers TOLD you it might
take three years, instead of three days as in my methods.
> Getting a second big dog (male, nondominant, extremely playful)
> as a companion and playmate no doubt contributed.
Because your training methods DIDN'T help.
> Maturation no doubt contributed.
BECAUSE YOUR "TRAINING" METHODS DIDN'T WORK.
> And training certainly contributed, even though the results
> weren't always immediately obvious.
Ohhh, you said a mouthful. Using the lousy methods
you used caused other seemingly non related behavior
problems that you and your so called trainers aren't
bright enough to trace to the vicious methods you used,
RESULTING IN The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> FurPaw
What a DISMAL success story. GOOD LUCK.
From: FurPaw (furpawnews...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: dog ripping up cushion
Date: 2003-05-16 07:58:16 PST
Clearly punishing your dog isn't working. And probably
never will. So I'd suggest you try a different tactic. You
don't have to yell and hit in order to get your dog to behave
well. But you may have to be a little more creative.
You've gotten him afraid of you+cushion, but not afraid of
cushion. So remove the cushion, so that the temptation is
no longer there, until you can get other aspects of his behavior
working with you.
Does he have "interesting" toys to keep him occupied, like a
Kong stuffed with peanut butter, or a Hava-Ball filled with
treats for him to extract?
If your dog is only "good" when you're "not his friend"
it sound like you've managed to teach him to be afraid
of you.
If he's peeing when you're shouting, he's afraid of you.
That's submissive peeing.
Is that the relationship you want with your dog?
How much time do you spend together? How much
exercise do you give him? How many hours a day is
he alone? It sounds to me like he may be bored;
our GSD was pretty destructive at that age until we
rearranged our schedule and spent more time playing
and exercising her.
Have you tried obedience training? Did you take your
dog to any classes to train both you and the dog?
Having an ongoing program of *positive* (no punishment)
training with your dog might go a long ways in improving
his behavior and your relationship with him.
There are a lot of good books on training your dog out
there. I used and like Brian Kilcommons' "Good Owners,
Great Dogs", but there are others that are more recent
and that emphasize clicker training.
I'm not a dog trainer, so others will be along with
more specific suggestions for you.
FurPaw
From: FurPaw (furpawnews...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: de-lurking with puppy questions
Date: 2003-07-19 13:33:18 PST
Karlee in Kansas wrote:
> I've been reading here for a while (long enough to figure out the resident
> troll anyway) and have a few questions about my puppy I have an 7 month
> old Pomeranian puppy, adorable as all get out, but she won't play.
<snip>
Hi, Karlee -
Looks like your thread got hijacked :-(
I don't have a lot to contribute, except to say that some dogs
don't seem to have the play drive that others do. My male
chihuahua, Gordo, played with his sister as a puppy, but
wouldn't playwith us, except to fetch.
He's very submissive, and even the most gentle
approaches to play got him cowering. He and his
sister still play now and then (at age 12), but only
if they think no one is watching them.
Weird. He does like to chew on rawhide, however.
Is your dog's regular food kibble or soft food?
If you could induce her to eat a bit of kibble,
maybe that would be a start on the teeth problem.
She sounds like a sweetie!
FurPaw
From: ldrsnews...@aol.com (LDRS News Glo)
Date: 20 Sep 2004 02:05:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
<From: FurPaw
> Killfile this guy and above all don't respond to him. His biggest thrill
> is getting a rise out of someone. FurPaw
Gotcha, thanks. I just banned him from emailing
me too. Sheesh. Why is it that every news group
has to have at least one troll? Is it in the contract?
LOL Gloria
From: ldrsnews...@aol.com (LDRS News Glo)
Date: 19 Sep 2004 18:22:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
<< From: "Perry Templeton >>
<< But I would think the main thing would be,
>> especially in a male, neutered bs. not neutered.
I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he
was neutered about 3 weeks ago, a day before I got
him. I think that's part of the problem, he's still feeling
his "oats". It has tapered significantly around the house.
The problem now is taking him to the park. I hate it
when he starts humping the other dogs, especially the
small ones.
Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes
it as a game and goes back. I'm sure it will stop
as he matures, I just thought someone would have
a suggestion for now when I take him to the park.
Thanks, Perry.
Gloria
From: flick <f...@starband.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:29:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
LDRS News Glo wrote:
> I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he was neutered about 3
> weeks ago, a day before I got him. I think that's part of the problem,
> he's still feeling his "oats". It has tapered significantly around the
> house. The problem now is taking him to the park.
> I hate it when he starts humping the other dogs, especially the small
> ones. Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes it as a game and
> goes back. I'm sure it will stop as he matures, I just thought someone
> would have a suggestion for now when I take him to the park. Thanks,
> Perry.
It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to
completely leave his system after neutering, is what I
understand.
flick 100785
> Gloria
From: ldrsnews...@aol.com (LDRS News Glo) -
Date: 21 Sep 2004 01:29:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
<< From: flick f...@starband.net >>
>> It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to completely
>> leave his system after neutering, is what I understand.
Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. LOL I'm
certainly going to stick with the little fellow. He's
very playful and very funny. I've had Boston Terriers
since I was 15 and they're sooo funny. Pugs are
funny also. I'm constantly being entertained by them.
Thank you for responding.
Gloria
From: FurPaw <furpawnews...@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0600
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
LDRS News Glo wrote:
> I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with my new 10 month old Boston
> Terrier, who is now 11 months. The problem was he was "humping" my two
> Pugs. It's subsided a lot. He does, however, still try to do it to dogs at
> the park. I have him on a 15 ft. lead, so I can monitor his behavior. Is
> there any trick to making him stop this unacceptable behavior? Again, he's
> MUCH better at home. He gets a LOT more supervised time with the other
> Pugs and he's behaving for longer periods of time. The squirt bottle works
> wonders with him. I can tell he's going to be a great dog. I've had 3
> Bostons in the past and I've never had this problem. JJ is larger than
> most Bostons, he's 28 lbs and will probaby get a little bit bigger, he'll
> fill out. He's handsome, he's extremely playful. If he were the only dog
> in the house, he'd be a wonderful little guy. I believe he's also trying
> to establish some "top dog" issues. One good thing is none of them fight,
> they're all GREAT dogs. Two Pugs and a Boston is a handful, but once JJ
> gets over this...um..."hump" he'll be great. Advice about the humping in
> the park would be much appreciated. Thanks. Gloria
I wish I had the answer, Gloria! I have an 8 year
old yellow lab who was neutered at 9 months,
and he is still Mr. Hormones!
Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous
reddish-brown and tan mixed female (part lab, weim?,
something with pricked ears?). She was spayed and
a year old.
After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try
to entice him to play and body-slammed him
a couple of times. He started to try to hump
the little flirt - and not just the sideways air
humps that he tries on our GSD - he was
grabbing her around the waist.
I yanked him off and put him in a sit - several times.
But this shameless little hussy kept backing up to
him with her tail in sideways position - an invitation
if I've ever seen one!
Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious...
but we sure don't know what to do about Mr.
Hormones' behavior!
FurPaw
--
"In a sense, we are hallucinating all the time.
What we call normal vision is our selecting the
hallucination that best fits reality."
- V. S. Ramachandran
To reply, unleash the dog
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:07:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
HOWEDY funky foots,
"FurPaw" <furpawnews...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:47WdneMTJ_...@comcast.com
> LDRS News Glo wrote:
> > I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with my new
> > 10 month old Boston Terrier, who is now 11 months.
And she's wrtiting AGAIN for THE SAME PROBLEM.
> > The problem was he was "humping" my two Pugs.
The PROBLEM is LDRS is a IMBECILE.
<snip idiocy>
> I wish I had the answer, Gloria!
You've NEVER had a "answer," funky foots.
IN FACT, your own dogs have had EVERY
behavior problem in creation.
> I have an 8 year old yellow lab who was neutered at 9 months, and he is
> still Mr. Hormones!
Your dog is HYPERACTIVE on accHOWENT
of you're a DOG ABUSER, funky foots.
> Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous reddish-brown and tan
> mixed female (part lab, weim?, something with pricked ears?). She was
> spayed and a year old. After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try to
> entice him to play and body-slammed him a couple of times. He started to
> try to hump the little flirt - and not just the sideways air humps that he
> tries on our GSD - he was grabbing her around the waist. I yanked him off
> and put him in a sit - several times.
Well THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN
your dog NOT to DO that, dog abuser.
> But this shameless little hussy kept backing up to him with her tail in
> sideways position - an invitation if I've ever seen one!
You've probably never had WON.
> Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious... but we sure don't
> know what to do about Mr. Hormones' behavior!
You're a MENTAL CASE, funky foots.
> FurPaw
Subject: Re: 8 month old misbehaving
Date: 2004-04-08 18:35:59 PST
HOWEDY funky foots,
Doesn't it ever EMBARRASS you that your own
dogs have had EVERY behavior problem in
creation cause you don't have the intellect to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog?
"FurPaw" <furpawnews...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Vd-dnRI1eOK...@comcast.com...
> Bill F wrote:
> > Looking for more suggestions on how to appropriately correct
> > misbehaviors as well as moral support.
> FWIW, our GSD, Dylan, was very destructive when she was a pup.
> When we were out of the house we kept her confined in a pen in a small
> room, with toys and chewies.
>
> One time when we came home she proudly presented us with the
> pieces of carpet that she'd ripped up (it was very old carpeting).
> She was around ten months old. And one time we tried confining Oppie (Lab)
> in the bathroom when we went out for a couple of hours.
>
> We returned to a door that was deeply gouged with his claw marks. He'd
> also tried to climb out the window (closed and locked) and bent
> up the aluminum miniblinds.
>
> Our mistake was that we hadn't adapted him to the bathroom.
> Stupid Mommy Dog!
> We took the tactic that other posters have suggested, that is, don't give
> the dogs the opportunity to be destructive by confining them with
> interesting toys and not much else.
> Sometimes, despite your best efforts, they manage to destroy anyhow, but
> mostly they'll sleep. The good news was that both dogs were out of
> their destructive phase by the time they were about a year and a half old.
> Good luck with yours... FurPaw
NHOWE WHO'S THE TROLL, funky foots?
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA~!~!~!
PRETTY EMBARRASSIN, AIN'T IT, richard??
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:0ejgh5t3opm08in51...@4ax.com...
> Tara Green <jellybea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Richard Evans wrote:
<snip idiocy>
>>> Suggestions?
Oh, INDEEDY, richard~!
>>Confusion is what I'd guess.
"Seem" the only CONfusiHOWEN is from these
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin
punk thug cowards who HURT INTIMIDATE an
MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an
LIE abHOWET it <{}:~ ( >
>> Senility can be an issue in dogs.
INDEED? NOT if you know HOWE to pupperly
raise handle an train them <{}: ~ ( >
>> There are ways of handling it,
tara means by takin ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS <{}:~ ( >
EVERY POSTER replyin here got VERY LONG POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >
I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: Tara G
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2000
Email: Tara G <t...@gateway.net>
Groups: alt.support.divorce
Thanks for this reply, Victoria.
I have lived with depression since I was 12 or 13 years old.
Grand generalizations like the one the poster made sometimes
cause a stupid "knee-jerk" reaction in me. I'm glad I read your
post before replying.
It would be really really nice if the world actually worked the way
that B4 thinks it should. But, I know it don't work that way for me :)
Oddly enough, I *used* to be against taking "happy pills" (as I used to
call Anti-Depressants....before I was educated about them). I thought
people were supposed to just "tough it out" and figure out what was
*causing* the depression. While I still believe in that last part, it
isn't *always* possible to do that without extra help.
I see nothing at all wrong with needing help and recieving it in order
to move forward in working through something like depression (or many
other issues as well).
Tara
--------------
A Salute To tara green:
"Sneaky Anger", "The Cold Shoulder", "Shaming And Beratement").
Still Crazy, After All These Years
<{} '; ~ ) >
Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York City left
rpd* claiming that she could not afford internet access and/or
a computer, but her story is of value nonetheless was on
antidepressants for a few years prior to her marriage.
During her marriage, she learned a lot: "With the
therapist I saw during my marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as chemical simply
because of our too human ability to prolong the impact of
the causal situations indefinitely"
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also had problems with other
substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:
"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they are separate
issues.....so which camp does that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people don't have a problem with
drugs even though they are alcoholics. I'm not one of those
people, but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
====================
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> and ways of preventing accidents in the house.
INDEEDY~!
You MIGHT just wanna HURT an INTIMIDATE your dog,
richard, JUST LIKE HOWE tara an her PALS recommend <{}:~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From:
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com
Date: 2 Jan 2007
Subject: Re: Electronic collars, was Re: Dog chewing up floors
HOWEDY tara green aka tara.green2, you pathetic multi
mentally, socially, morally, ethically challenged insufficent,
stiffled, stunted, abused, drunken drug crazed life long punk
thug coward active acute chronic mental case and professional
dog abuser,
"Tara" <notha...@verizon.not> wrote in message
news:Xns98AAE1B196AE4ta...@130.81.64.196...
> Robin Nuttall <robi...@mchsi.com>
wrote in news:_RPlh.288725$FQ1.125326 @attbi_s71:
>> using them as we usually do, for field training.
INDEED?
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
> "Robin Nuttall" <robi...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:txeVe.324546$x96.272690@attbi_s72...
> > Yep. Jen keeps saying, "Oh, I don't mean anything negative" while
> > continuously slamming people for "cruel" methods that she can't even
> > define.
Those who slavishly devote themselves to one type of
training and who condemn others are the poorer for it.
I clicker train. I use choke collars. I shape behaviors.
I use drive work for focus and intensity. I use pinch
collars. I use harnesses. I use food. I use positive
and negative punishment.
Some of these things I use frenquently. Some very
infrequently. I tend to focus my training in the
quadrants of positive reinforcement and negative
punishment, and am far more likely to eliminate
undesired behavior through ignoring it than any
other way.
I'll also grab my young dog by the collar, lift
her up on her back feet, and tell her to KNOCK
IT OFF in no uncertain terms when the little snot
gets into overdrive and bites me.
If you want to discuss training, discuss it here.
But be willing to listen as well as talk. And
please stop top posting.
Robn Nuttall.
----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> I'm certainly not a person who is going to grab
>> an e-collar as my first (or 10th) training device.
BUT OF CURSE NOT~!
NOT UNLESS YOU CAN'T
JERK an CHOKE IT ENOUGH TO TRAIN IT <{}: ~ ( >
> Me neither (for those that would decide that I'm
> a fan simply because I won't demonize them)
Because you NEVER KNOW when you'll NEED it, tara?
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Starting over
"Tara" <notha...@verizon.not> wrote in message
news:Xns988394D96224Dta...@130.81.64.196...
No, obsessive coprophagia isn't usually something that gets better
without some *serious* aversives. Which is sad. I'm glad you were
able to find people who were even willing to entertain the thought....
at least that's encouraging!
Tara
--------------------------------
INDEED?
Oh, you sez "obsessive coprophagia isn't usually something
that gets better without some *serious* aversives"???
Is that based on your EXXXTREME EXXXPERTEASE
as a PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER?
THAT'S ABSURD AND INSANE~!~!~!
Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA CURED NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERYTHING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE these pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
TRY THIS YOU PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN COWARD AN MENTAL PATIENT:
<SNIP POSTED CASE HISTORIES>
>> Some folks even fashion "depends" on
>> dogs who do develop incontinence.
That's ABSURD and INSANE an besides, richard's dog
is AFRAID of him touchin IT so's there AIN'T NO WAY
he's gonna put diapers on his dog JUST LIKE HOWE
MOST OF THESE MENTAL CASES PREFER on accHOWENTA
THEY DON'T KNOW HOWE to TRAIN their dogs not to
shit an piss in their MENTAL HOWESES <{}; ~ ) >
> He's not incontinent.
Of curse not. He's AFRAID an CONfHOWENDED;
all you gotta do is LEARN HOWE to PRAISE HIM
for BEIN AFRAID an CONfHOWENDED and the
"PROBLEM" will EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY.
> He has complete control.
Of curse~!
> If he were incontinent, he would simply empty bowels
> and bladder randomly. I had an elderly dog that was
> incontinent. He would have bowel movements in his
> sleep, seemingly not even aware it was happening.
Hey richard? Perhaps your dog is sufferin SEPARATION
anXXXIHOWESNESS on accHOWENTA you're ASLEEP?
> This one has one favorite spot that he goes to intentionally.
And do you PUNISH him apupriately, richard?
> I had suspected urinary tract infection and was about
> to put him on antibiotics, then the bowel movements
> started, so it's probably not that.
INDEED? Are you a veterinarian, richard?
> As for depends, his arthritis is worst in his hips. He won't tolerate
> being touched there, much less having diapers put on and taken off.
On accHOWENTA he's AFRAID of you, richard <{}:~ ( >
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent�,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts �to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
----------------
HOWEDY tara green aka taragreen2, you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin multi-dimensionally mentally,
socially, morally, ethically challenged insufficent, stiffled, stilted,
stunted, abused, drunken drug crazed active acute chronic life-
long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE an
professional pathological LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN / dog trainin
FRAUD, SCAM ARTIST and OBFUSCATIONIST,
"Tara Green" <jellybea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ha2qqF...@mid.individual.net...
> Kathleen wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> "Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:t6Krm.65852$Y83....@newsfe21.iad...
>
>>>> Stay away from public dog parks?
>>>>
>>>> IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.
INDEEDY~!
As DEAMONSTRATED in kathleen's OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY.
>>> Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.
>
>> It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and
>> unconvinced of the need to "socialize" my dogs
"Socialization" is DONE by the time a puppy leaves the litterbox.
>> (or myself).
You're a VICTIM of CHILD ABUSE <{}:~ ( >
>> I've got a big back yard, access to hundreds of acres of trails,
>> creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs to interact with one another
>> and no burning desire to chat with semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Seem" the DEBIL is in the DETAILS included in kathleen's
an *your OWN* POSTED CASE HISTORIES <{}';~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: "Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009
Subject: HOWEDY Lee~! "It's BAAAACK~!"
Personal And CONfidential To taragreen2 <{}'; ~ ) >
Hey, Jerry,
Thanks for the e-mail.
If Tara is the person I think she is, she's magnifying
an event in her mind that happened over a year ago
where a dog she was with sniped at a Westie I had with me.
The Westie then lunged at her dog and Tara (if it
was her) did something pretty stupid, meaning it's
something no knowledgeable trainer would do in a
situation like that: she picked up the dog she was
with and held it in her arms, which caused the Westie
to leap in the air, still trying to bite the poor thing.
She's right, though, in that my reaction time was
slower than normal that day. I was listening to
music on my MP3 player; I learned my lesson
and don't do that at the dog runs anymore.
But again, she's magnified the thing to somewhat
outrageous proportions. I am not persona non grata
at any dog run in the city. In fact, just the opposite.
It's true that there are some dog owners at the
smaller dog run in Riverside Park who don't like
their dogs to play in an energetic, rough-and-
tumble manner.
And I have in the past tried to educate them to the
facts about how dogs play, but after a while I gave up.
Meanwhile my perception of Tara is that she brings
a lot of negative energy with her when she comes to
the dog run.
She's never relaxed and is constantly "on" the dogs
I've seen her with. My perception of the event in
question is that whatever conflict the two dogs had
with one another, it was probably magnified by that
negative energy she brought with her.
At any rate, her dog was "at fault" for starting the fight.
The Westie was "at fault" for not stopping.
And I was clearly at fault for my slow reaction time.
I even apologized to Tara a few days later but apparently
that didn't seem to make any impression on her. I also had
a couple of sessions with the Westie's owner to solve the
problem, and she's a much different dog now.
Meanwhile, my impression of Tara is quite different
from the one I had when we first met years ago. She
seemed intelligent and engaged then.
Now she walks around with a treat bag tied to her
belt and is constantly shoveling treats at her dogs
(in lieu of actually training them), and seems to be
in a kind of disconnected daze, like she's always
in another world.
But who am I to say? I can get like that myself sometimes...
And her impression that I'm unable to control my dogs is laughable.
I think she sees control in an entirely different way
than I do, which might explain why she's always got
her hand on the bait bag and is constantly riding her
dogs.
I'm always stopping fights from escalating at several
dog runs in the city, and almost always between dogs
I don't even know. And I do it without getting up and
leaving the bench by simply either praising the dogs,
or saying "Easy, easy!" or by saying another seeming
non-sequitur: "Okay!"
Tara may not see that as being in control because I'm
not jumping to my feet, racing over frantically to physically
intimidate the dogs, or distracting them with treats, but I
probably have more control over dogs I don't even know -
- just using a pleasant, happy voice -- then she has over
the dogs she's "trained."
It's sad, too, because while the dog she was with
that day seems very anxious and edgy,? she could
probably a very relaxed, very good doggie if Tara
only understood some of the principles of Natural
Dog Training found on my blog and my website.
By the way, Canis is still training dogs and is
still the 2nd Best Dog Trainer in New York.
Best wishes,
LCK
----------------------------
> Lucky.
INDEED? You think dog trainin is a matter of "LUCK"?
EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AIN'T a matter of LUCK
they're CONsistently EFFECTIVE, remember, taragreen?
A Salute To tara green:
"Sneaky Anger", "The Cold Shoulder", "Shaming And Beratement").
Still Crazy, After All These Years
<{} '; ~ ) >
Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York City left
rpd* claiming that she could not afford internet access and/or
a computer, but her story is of value nonetheless was on
antidepressants for a few years prior to her marriage.
During her marriage, she learned a lot: "With the
therapist I saw during my marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as chemical simply
because of our too human ability to prolong the impact of
the causal situations indefinitely"
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also had problems with other
substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:
"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they are separate
issues.....so which camp does that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people don't have a problem with
drugs even though they are alcoholics. I'm not one of those
people, but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
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> I'd venture to say that most don;t have access to this (though I'm working
> on it!!!)
INDEED?
From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
AND
SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKXXX
<{}; ~ ) >
Subject: A Completely New Model Of Learning
From: The Puppy Faerie
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2005
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the result
of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
-yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
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Subject: why are Tara Green and Leah talking about me, or are they?
From: The Puppy Wizard
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2004
HOWEDY taragreen2,
Cc's for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:
kelleyMet...@aol.com;taragre...@verizon.net;
t...@dog-play.com;javag...@yahoo.com; der...@uwm.edu;
"Tara" <taragre...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:41BC6FA2...@verizon.net...
> LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
> > Kelley: I see now why Jerry thought my techniques were under
> > discussion --
> > they kind of were. From my website:
> Lee, that's pretty arrogant.
Lee NEVER accused you of PLAGIARIZING his
accHOWENT of his first EXXXPERIENCE using
the TECHNIQUE you and leah was DIS-CUSSING
and MANGLING in your inimitable crazy drunken
multi substance CONfHOWENDED psychotic
little jealHOWES fearful minds.
You're SUPPOSED to be a PROFESSIONAL
DOG TRAINER. You're SUPPOSED to KNOW
HOWE to USE the TOOLS LeeCharlesKelley
TAUGHT you. You're SUPPOSED to GIVE
CREDIT for INTELLECTUAL INFORMATION
you've GLEANED through READING and
talking in person with the SOURCE of your
INFORMATION.
> Do you have ANY idea how many people on this ng train in drive?
INDEED?
You talkin abHOWET lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn and Master Of Deception blankman? They're
the ONLY trainers who've been talkin abHOWET
trainin in DRIVE. robin SEZ sumpthin abHOWET
IT but she SEZ she DON'T KNOW NUTHIN other
than SOME of the BOOKS she mentioned might
be worthile, the WONS you NEVER HEARD OF.
> Do you have ANY idea how far they've taken their training,
Yeah. YOUR PAL lying "I LOVE KOHELER" lynn
who TALKS abHOWET trainin IN DRIVE and the
work of dildi and balbanov and others FAILED SAR.
Your PAL Master Of Deception blankman is
still BEATIN HER DOG IN THE FACE with a
shepherd's crook and jerkin and chokin IT
arHOWEND the RHOWEND pen on her pronged
spiked pinch choke collar.
> and how high a level they've been competing at?
Perhaps you can NAME NAMES taragreen2?
THEN we can LOOK UP THEIR POSTED CASE
HISTORIES and PROVE YOU'RE INSANE.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!
CITE WON SUCCESSFUL TRAINER HERE.
> Do you have any idea how many trainers and authors
> out there have been doing this far longer than you have?
You mean the WONS your pal ROBIN suggested
whom you'd NEVER HEARD OF, taragreen2?
NO WONDER Lee doesn't read this idiocy!
> So, no. You were not under discussion
But the METHOD Lee taugh US was and IS
under DIS-CUSSION. PERHAPS so long as
you got Lee's ATTENTION you MIGHT ASK
HIM HOWE to USE what HE TEACHES so
you could LEARN HOWE to TRAIN a dog
IN DRIVE, eh taragreen2?
> and, past checking to see that it exists, I have
> never once looked at your website.
You don't have to. Seems Lee has POSTED that
to HOWER forums... when he was TEACHIN leah
HOWE to TRIGGER the PRAY DRIVE.
> So no, *your* methods were not under discussion.
Where did leah say she LEARNED that METHOD Lee had
been TEACHING US and suja USED as a "TEST?"
> You see, prey drive training has been around a *long* time.
BUT YOU NEVER HEARD OF IT TILL LeeCharlesKelly
INTRODUCED and TRIED to TEACH YOU but you didn't
have the INETELLECT to see anything MOORE than
PLAY and can certainly NEVER figger HOWET HOWE
to USE IT to TRAIN the dog. You CAN'T EVEN USE IT
to TRAIN a SIT or DHOWEN and THAT'S AN AUTOMAGICK
RESPONSE!!!
> That was, in fact, the topic of our conversation all those years ago.
You mean that day you and your dog met him
and you was PAINICKING and actin like a MENTAL
CASE that Lee detailed for us, taragreen2?
> You do not get to claim that it is *yours*
RIGHT. You're SUPPOSED to GIVE CREDIT
to the SOURCE when you CITE a METHOD,
as Lee did. He SEZ he LEARNED from Kevin
Behan, the ONLY OTHER trainer you've ever
heard of who uses DRIVES.
> anymore than I get to suggest that a newbie trainer is
> discussing "MY" techniques when they are talking about luring.
You mean when your "METHOD" FAILS and you
TRY using this NEW method Lee was KINDLY
enough to TEACH YOU?
OR did you mean your LEAVE IT COMMAND?
> But I suspect you just don't ever see how arrogant
> you sound most of the time.
You mean to say you think Lee thinks you PLAGIARIZED him?
NO WAY!
Your accHOWENT of your first EXXXPERIENCE
is THE SAME as Lee's or leah's or The Amazing
Puppy Wizard or ANY WON on accHOWENT of
the METHOD IS THE SAME.
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
> I find that too bad.
INDEED?
THAT MEANS LeeCharlesKelley is TEACHIN
a SCIENTIFIC METHOD, taragreen2.
THAT'S HOWE COME IT ALWAYS WORKS.
> Tara
And THAT'S HOWE COME YOURS DON'T.
>>> They're all Kevin Behan "Natural Dog Training" fans. Kevin's methods are
>>> EXXXCELLENT, HOWEver, they differ substantially from what I teach, and
>>> so I don't recommend you get involved with studyin it just yet.
> This person would be better served by loking at drive training
> their high drive breed than using your second hand drivel.
Oh, you mean like HOWE you successfully trained
your SchutzHOWEND bread DEAD DOG Finn?
>>> HOWEver, if you want a EXXXCELLENT resource
>>> regardin "DRIVE FLOW" you MUST read Lee
>>> Schulman's book "DRIVE FLOWS" if I recall the name
>>> correctly. Perhaps tara will recall? NO DHOWET she's
>>> NEVER READ IT as she FEARS an HATES BOTH Lees <{}: ~ ( >
> Nope. Never even heard of one of them. Don't fear LCK at all. And "hate"
> is too strong a word. He's more just an annoyance at the dog run, since he
> doesn't control his dogs, doesn't get off the bench, barely even looks to
> see what they're up to, and then gets asked to leave when enough people
> get sick of his dogs' out of control behavior.
Here's HOWE COME you FEAR an HATE LeeCharlesKelley:
NO BAD DOGS JUST BAD TRAINERS
Copyright 1994 by Lee Charles Kelley
Why Everything The Experts Say About Dog Training Is
Wrong, And How, By Doing The Opposite, You Can Get
Better Results!
CHAPTER 1--An Exciting New Philosophy of Dog Training
It seems like everywhere you go these days, from the dog
runs to the park, even on street corners, you hear dog owners
talking about how you need to show your dog you're his pack
leader in order to get him to obey.
The biggest problem with this notion is that it creates an
overemphasis on what I call Avoidance Training, where
a dog obeys a command in order to avoid getting corrected.
Some trainers say you need to take the Alpha role with your
puppy early or he will always try to dominate you. They base
this idea on the intricate social structure of the canine pack; a
structure these so-called experts say is founded on the dominance
of the pack leader (it's not), and which, they say, plays a crucial
role in training (it doesn't).
This hierarchy is also known by another name--the pecking
order. And it also exists in birds, not just dogs and wolves.
If it were the key element in training there would be a more
seeing-eye ducks and attack-trained chickens. (This reminds
me of the dancing chicken they used to have in carnivals. You
know how they got the chicken to dance? They put a hot-plate
under the stage and turned the heat up.
Is that how you want to train your dog?)
Look, your puppy understands naturally that you're his pack
leader. You're bigger and smarter than he is. You know where
the food is kept. You can open doors and operate elevators so
the two of you can go on hunting expeditions together.
On top of all that, you have pockets!
You don't need to prove that you're the pack leader, if
anything you just need to learn how to be the pack leader.
"But I can't get my dog to listen to me!"
Yes, but what's needed is an understanding of Nature's reasons
for creating the Pack Instinct. While it's true that dogs are related
to wolves and that they share the same elaborate social structure,
what the experts don't seem to realize is that the pack's social
structure exists to serve the unique canine Prey Instinct, and that
re-directing your dog's hunting drive into a group purpose, rather
than suppressing it through dominance, is the most effective way
to train him.
Dogs have four basic instincts which can be divided into two groups:
The Survival Group
Survival and Sexual Instincts
(including fear, hunger, dominance, sex,
and aggressive behaviors);
The Social/Hunting Group
Pack and Prey Instincts
(social attraction, social resistance,
hunting, and group mood behaviors).
Traditional training methods, which stimulate the survival
instincts through fear or dominance, teach a dog how not to
do things. The methods I use, which I call Play Training,
teach a dog how to do things in a positive way; how to
channel natural impulses into obedience.
All of the behaviors we need from a dog--from sitting to
staying to coming when called--already exist within him
as part of his natural hunting drive. The easiest and most
effective way to unlock these behaviors, and to put them
to use, is by playing games with your dog, not by dominating
him or trying to prove that you're the pack leader.
Most of the time I don't even care if a dog thinks he's the pack
leader. In fact, sometimes I'll encourage a dog to think that to
build his confidence.
The first thing I train a puppy to do is to jump up on command.
Traditional trainers say, "Oh, you should never let a puppy jump
up. It's cute when they're young but when they get bigger, watch
out."
Yes, I know, but I didn't say that I let the puppy jump up. I
said I train him to do it--on command. There's a big difference.
Traditional trainers say, "Yes, but jumping up is a form of
dominance. You run the risk of making him think he's the
Alpha dog." First of all, that's not true. And even if it were
true, I'm smarter than he is. Let him think what he wants.
What do I care? I've already taught him a command.
Who's really in charge?
The second thing I teach a puppy is to jump up only when the
command is given. This takes a little longer, but a nice side-
effect is that it also teaches him to sit. The next thing I teach
him is that when he jumps up he has to stay up until I give him
the release signal.
In a fairly short time I've taught him four behaviors without
having to prove who's boss. And everything I've taught him
makes learning fun, and reinforces the dog's natural attraction
to me.
Training a dog not to jump up puts him in conflict and inhibits
his social attraction. This can be deadly later when you want
your dog to come when called.
"Still, I think a dog should be trained not to jump up on people."
Sure, so do I. And this is the best way to do it. Look, I've seen
dogs who were trained not to jump up through traditional avoidance
methods and the only thing they were trained to do is to repress
their natural reflexes. Most of them jump up anyway and the ones
that don't stare at you like they want to and wiggle around a lot.
Dogs trained the Play Training way learn by contrast not to jump
up and eventually transform the energy of the original jumping up
reflex into a focused sit or heel, with no wiggling and no repressed
impulses.
"I don't know. It seems to me that these trainers have been
using avoidance methods for years. I find it hard to believe
they don't work."
Oh, don't get me wrong, they work. They can be very effective
at stopping problem behavior as it happens, for one thing.
Remember, these techniques stimulate a dog's Survival Instinct.
It's very easy to get a dog (or anyone) to obey when it's a matter
of survival. Avoidance methods also work quickly to elicit a
response to simple commands, like sit or stay, but it's just
cosmetic obedience.
It exists only on the surface because the dog doesn't really
want to obey. His heart isn't in it. One side effect is that
an avoidance trained dog tends to be less responsive the
further away he is from the handler, especially in the face
of powerful distractions.
In other words, it's more difficult to dominate a dog who's fifty
yards away from you running after a squirrel in the park, than
it is a dog who's sitting next to you in the apartment.
Play Training provides control in both situations.
Then there's the dog who obeys his trainer but not his owner
because the trainer is accustomed to acting dominant and the
owner isn't. I'll give you an example:
I was in Central Park one day with my Dalmatian, Freddie,
and I ran into a young couple who also had a Dalmatian,
Freddie's age. They were astounded to see him running free,
off-lead, and that he listened to me and happily obeyed all my
commands instantly.
They told me they'd hired a trainer from a nearby pet store, with
mixed results. "Rocky doesn't obey us at all," the husband said,
smiling, "but the instant he sees his trainer, his tail goes between
his legs, his ears go back and he obeys everything!"
The dog was trained, but he wasn't obedient. The sad thing is,
this seemed to please these people, as if this is how it's supposed
to be.
Is this what you want from your dog, fearful submission?
If so, you're not going to get it here.
An excerpt from the book "No Bad Dogs, Just Bad Trainers" by Lee Kelly
Yours for freedom of information,
Jerry "Freedom Of Information Act," Howe.
> Come to think of it, I guess I do hate that.
INDEEDY!
> And the last time he and I were in the dog run together, one of his dogs
> started three fights (he never even looked), and I got bitten breaking the
> third one up by myself. Still took hom almost 5 minutes to show up and
> find out what happened.
Perahaps Lee knew you had EVERY THING IN CON-TROLL?
BWEEEAAAHAAHAAA!!
> Nice company you keep, psycho. Both of you are all
> talk, and no actually trained dogs to back up your words.
Oh, you mean UN LIKE your HIGHLY DRIVEN DEAD DOG Finn?
> This is why most of the world has you killfiled.
Sez the lyin dog abusin mental cases <{}: ~ ) >
> Note to savshocktroop: The only reason anyone at all is
> even seeing his posts is because you're refusing to snip
> his rambling drivel.
> Though I suppose it was a kick to see the latest
> lies he's been busy concocting.
CITE WON PLEASE, tara?
> But even that gets old quickly,
INDEEDY! IN FACT, YOU NEVER HAVE CITED WON LIE.
> since no matter what is said, he'll just continue to libel
You mean CITING your own POSTED CASE HISTORIES.
> even after he's been corrected a thousand times.
You can DENY it all you LIKE, tara.green2 <{}: ~ ) >
> Good luck with your new friend!
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK you freakin mental case <{}: ~ ) >
> Tara
"Sneaky Anger", "The Cold Shoulder", "Shaming And Beratement").
Still Crazy, After All These Years
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
FurPaw
Well, it's unlikely that you'll get a diagnosis here. If your current vet
isn't helping, then I'd suggest that you consult another one.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Seem" you an racetrack silly got a common interest
in SHELTER / RESCUE dogs, accordin to your own
posted case histories <{}'; ~ ) >
"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
>
>>Is he on anything for his arthritis?
>
> Anitinflammatories and pain killers.
INDEED? That's curiHOWES, as those pharmacuticals
DON'T HEEL dogs, they ONLY MASK the PROBLEM
and often have FATAL side effects <{}:~ ( >
INFORMATION from Dr. Bellfield regardin
nutritional rehabilitation of so called spine /
hip dysplasia problems:
Spondylosis & Degenerative Spinal Diseases
Nutrition and health care
for the longevity of dogs and cats
By Susan G. Wynn, D.V.M.
http://www.treshanley.com/cic/arthritis.html
Spondylosis & Degenerative Spinal Diseases If your veterinarian
has told you your dog has spinal degeneration (spinal myelopathy)
and that there is nothing you can do to stop the progression of
weakness and rear end stiffness that eventually becomes rear end
paralysis, he is WRONG!
Dr. Belfield's program can CURE spinal degeneration.
If your dog has been diagnosed with Spondylosis, this program
will also help with that, but it will not totally cure spondylosis. The
program comes from a really good California veterinarian, Dr.
Wendell O. Belfield of San Jose, CA.
In the mid-1970's, Dr. Belfield put together an all natural supplement
program to CURE spinal degeneration. He was successful.
The program is cheap and effective.
Generally it can have the dog RUNNING, climbing stairs
and jumping onto your bed in 5-7 weeks.
It works by strengthening the dog's immune system.
Here is what Dr. Belfield wrote in his book, "How To Have
A Healthier Dog" by Wendell O. Belfield and Martin Zucker:
"What happens in this condition is a deterioration of the tissues in and
around the vertebrae. The cause may be related to the aging process.
The breakdown causes inflammation and some degree of pressure on
spinal nerves that supply the hind quarters.
Difficulty in control of muscle movement and walking develops into
a paralysis. The animal goes down in the hind quarter and pathetically
drags himself around on his front legs. I have seen forelegs become
affected also.
The legs get stiff and unsteady and eventually the animal is
down altogether and can't get up.
Symptoms: Poor appetite, pain and sensitivity in the spinal region.
Progressive loss of control of the hind leg muscles with accompanying
dragging of the paws, swaying of the hind end, and reduced ability
to walk and jump. Eventually develops into a hind quarter paralysis
and can move forward, affecting the forelegs and the brain. Most
frequently seen in aging dogs."
The cure for this condition is deceptively simple: Vitamin C (Ester C
preferred) and Vitamin E are given per the age and weight of the dog.
If you require this information, get in touch, or you can get Dr.
Belfield's
book from your library or from his web site. The information is in a chart
in the center of the book.
The rest of the program consists of:
Comprehensive vit/min supplement (I use Theralin VMP vit/min tablets
by Lambert Kay - you can get them cheapest from Cherrybrook
1-800-524-0820 or Jeffers pet catalog 1-800-533-3377) Dose per
instructions on the bottle. I STRONGLY suggest that you use only
Theralin VMP. An owner who used a less comprehensive vit/min
found that her dog did not respond for 3 weeks longer than any
other dog on the program.
I also give BYS (garlic/yeast tablets) It's loaded with B vitamins.
Also from Cherrybrook - Dose is per instructions on the bottle.
A side benefit is that it gives the dog's skin a smell that fleas and
ticks find offensive, so they tend to stay off the dog. People cannot
smell anything different.
I get the C & E at the drugstore. Don't bother to buy C with rose
hips, according to Belfield it does nothing to help the C work. I do,
however, buy the brand that says on the label, "No soy, no sugar,
no preservatives, etc."
Do not buy time released vitamin C. If you feel compelled to use
a buffered C, get sodium ascorbate (Ester C) as Belfield says it
is least likely to cause diarrhea and that it is the one that works
best in dogs. I've always used regular vitamin C with my dogs.
I smear cream cheese on the pills and give them with the dog's meal.
Give the above with food as vitamins are absorbed better that way
and the food buffers the dog's stomach against the acidity of the
vitamin C. If the dog's stool becomes mushy, it's the C. Back down
on the dose and gradually over a week or so build it back up to the
proper level, OR start lower than recommended and slowly build up
to the proper amount over a 3 week period.
Belfield is not a crazy vet. His methods are currently being taught
to vet students. The supplement program takes 5 -7 weeks to totally
strengthen the dog's immune system. I've seen dogs respond in a
week and heard of one case where it took a Great Dane 7 weeks.
Belfield's program is GREAT for skin problems, chronic ear infections,
and rear end problems with older dogs (spinal degeneration). The
information for the above supplementation program is based on the
work of Dr. Wendell O. Belfield, a San Jose, CA veterinarian. Dr.
Belfield does not specifically advocate the use of Theralin VMP or
BYS. You can buy Dr. Belfield's book through his web site:
http://www.belfield.com/books.html
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> Oddly enough, this current problem started not long after
> he started the meds, but I've had him back to the vet to
> have him checked for physical causes and she never
> mentioned a possible relation between the problem and
> his meds.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AS STATED, richard:
"I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >"
Here's your LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE
shelter / rescue angel PAL, racetrack silly HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT:
HOWEDY racetrack silly you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal muderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL
CASE and professional "shelter / rescue" SCAM ARTIST who's
"SHELTER / RESCUE" MURDERS 67% of their "sheltered /
rescued" dogs,
"sighthounds & siberians" <x...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:r9hfd5dvmt3l8q21a...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT), weimaraner
> <jason...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Has anyone checked on this poor guy? I'll pay the adoption fee if
>>that's what it takes for him to get picked up. Just let me know.
Yeah? These "rescue" organizations ain't nuthin but a SCAM <{}:~ ( >
>>http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=14796662
>>
>>Galveston County Animal Shelter/Services
>>3412 Loop 197 North
>>Texas City, TX 77590
>>Phone: 409-948-2485
>>
>>His name is Theo - Pet ID: 1869897-09-5300
>
> This is a newsgroup -
INDEEDY~!
An WELCOME to The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And Human
And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{}';~ ) >
Permit me to introduce myself; I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand
Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic
Medications ABUSE Wizard <{}:~ ) >
> it's not an active rescue list.
CORRECTO~!
There AIN'T NO NEED for "RESCUIN" dogs if dog lovers
like racetrack silly an her ilk didn't MURDER them for PROFIT.
> I'd check with a Weim rescue group in the area about this dog.
You think THEY'D be less likely to MURDER IT than you'd
do yourself, PERSONALLY, at your own KILL shelter?
LIKE THIS:
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Here's racetrack silly IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED an
DISCREDITED as a lyin animal murderin
MENTAL PATIENT:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Tues, May 24 2005
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com wrote:
> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> <major snippage>
Actually, closer to 67%.
Geeez!
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
Lucy (likewise)
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Here's a few of racetrack silly's SUCCESSES:
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
SEE?
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
SEE?
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005
Subject: Re: my brother's dog
Assuming you could have found someone who knew
what they were doing. When the problems with Justy
and Tasha started, we contacted everyone we could
think of, including the Dal rescue people and trainers.
There weren't any behaviorists around, but someone,
I don't remember who, referred us to one in another
state who did phone consultations!
Of course, that was of limited value. In retrospect,
I still think that situation was unsalvageable. But
we sure learned a lot about multi-dog interactions,
dog aggression and managing less severe fighting
situations.
It was months before hearing a dog growl
didn't make my heartbeat race.
Mustang Sally
----------------
SEE??
SEE?
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
---------------
An here's the lyin animal murderin MENTAL PATIENT,
a self-professed SHELTER / RESCUE owner / director
complainin abHOWET NOT HURTIN MUTILATIN an
MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 25 May 2005
Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> Here are just a few things to take into consideration when
> being advised to read the 'manual' written by the 'Puppy
> Wizard', or follow his 'advice':
Since I've been the only one who advised to read The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's manual lately, I'll try to reply
to this.
> - His beliefs/opinions about dogs - - he's said that he doesn't
> like dogs, and it does not appear that he has dogs and is not
> clear that he ever had dogs.
That's a matter of opinion, of course - an opinion that
I do not share and one that you cannot support with proof.
The fact that he doesn't post a link to the pictures of
his dogs doesn't prove that those dogs don't exist, much
less that they never have existed.
> He believes that a dog is a dog is a dog and that there is no
> difference between the temperaments and learning styles of
> breeds that have been bred for generations to do a particular job.
> He claims that all misbehaviors and illnesses are caused by
> mishandling or abuse. These opinions are not supported by
> the literature.
I don't think that he said that ALL the illnesses are
caused by mishandling or abuse, but that mishandling/
abuse did cause a great number of apparently unrelated
illnesses.
There's a vast literature supporting that - just look
at the variety of stress-induced disorders.
> - His claim that he can train any dog in the world while sitting
> naked in front of his computer, without personally assessing
> said dog.
And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that this
claim is justified (except the part about "sitting naked", for
which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's word)
in the case of two dogs who are living half the world away
from him - MY two dogs.
For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!
Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.
> This is simply not credible.
Sometimes the truth does seem unbelievable, but it is still the truth.
> Additionally, he appears to spend all of his time posting to various
> newsgroups, some of which have nothing to do with dogs;
And this fact has nothing to do with his ability to train
dogs via the Internet, either.
> he digs up and responds to old posts, responds to his own posts himself,
> posts and cross-posts sometimes hundreds of posts a day and all through
> the night. This suggests that he's not spending much time actually
> training dogs.
Perhaps he can afford it. One thing is certain: his training
method is incredibly easy to apply. In certain respects, the
result is practically instant. Like with aggression, for example.
Or with separation anxiety.
> - His reputation, or lack of same - - though he claims to be a well-known
> dog trainer, no one who lives in the area where he lives has ever heard of
> him.
Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that his method WORKS.
> - His behavior on this newsgroup.
So he isn't "nice" (but, you know, neither the rest of you
are exactly very friendly to those who disagree with you).
Anyway, does it matter so much how he behaves here, if
his method is successful with our dogs?
After all, we don't need to train HIM, we need to train our
DOGS; and Jerry understands exactly what seems to be going
on in the dogs' minds and he has both the experience and the
willingness to teach others how to use this understanding in
order to modify their own dogs' behavior as they desire.
I fail to see how - for someone who comes here for help with
some very urgent and specific problem - Jerry's online behavior
would be more important than the fact that his method could
really aid their dog.
Lucy (and I never said that one should do as Jerry says, I
only advised that they should read_the_manual_ and_decide_
for_ themselves_, while the rest of you seem to think that just
READING the manual can somehow cause damage)
----------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:g6cih5poa763p5lvh...@4ax.com...
> Tara Green <jellybea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>You didn't read my post.
>
> Yes, I read it perfectly well.
INDEEDY~!
An you GOT your just desserts, DIDN'T YOU, richard <{}:~ ( >
>>I said it sounds like he was confused.
> Yes, I read that.
INDEEDY~! An you REPLIED to these MENTAL CASES
several times on accHOWENTA you NEED the vital
INFORMATION these MENTAL PATIENTS are keepin
TOP SECRET, eh, richard?
>> I *also* said that some folks do use garments
>> for dogs who *do* develop incontinence.
MOST of these MENTAL PATIENTS put diapers on their dogs.
> Yes, and I replied as to why, if it were incontinence,
> any form of diaper would not be a solution.
On accHOWENTA your dog DON'T TRUST YOU.
>>Its not that hard. You don't use *actual*
>>"depends", its just a way of describing it.
>
> I don't care how you describe it, he won't tolerate
> having his hindquarters messed with.
On accHOWENTA he's AFRAID of you, richard <{}:~ ( >
From: TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com
Date: 28 Feb 2005
Subject: Re: Anipryl Question
HOWEDY chickenlittle2,
chickenlitt...@webtv.net wrote:
> My 11 year old long haired Doxie has been
> diagnosed with CCD- Canine Cognitive Dysfunction.
Yeah. That AIN'T NORMAL.
> My vet said he had his dog on Anipryl for the
> last six years of her life.
Your vet's dog got the SAME PROBLEM your dog got.
> She lived to be sixteen.
So WHAAAT? Your vet's dog STILL GOT the SAME PROBLEM.
> This medication is expensive, 75.00 a month
> and like as not the dose will have to be increased
> over time.
Your dog AIN'T SICK on accHOWENT of he
LACKS ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS,
he's DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE JUST LIKE YOUR VETS
DOG IS DYIN FROM THE SAME PROBLEM.
> We are on a fixed income so we are trying a
> natural product called Composure Liquid made
> by Vetri-Science. As soon as I can get the amount
> to give her worked out, it may help.
There's NUTHIN that's gonna HEELP your
dog NOT FEAR being in the dark or alone
or WHATEVER CAUSES your dog to have
ANXXXIHOWESNESS BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
JUST LIKE HOWE YOUR VETS DOG GOT.
> The dose thats call for puts her to sleep,
THAT'S the CURE for your dog's ANXXXIHOWESNESS???
> all I want to do is have her calm down.
Well then dope her up and FORGET ABHOWET HER.
> The dose for her weight is 1/4 teaspoon morning
> and night. Shes pretty calm in the daytime as she
> sometime sleeps a lot. Most of the time she is alert
> and enjoys attention. so I skip it. Its from 6:30 pm
> till 10pm that she does this endless wandering and
> paceing, stares at the wall, get stuck under tables
> and chairs, and makes loud vocal noises.
You can EXXXTINGUISH her ANXXXIHOWESNESS
BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS in a few minutes if you knew
HOWE.
> I spend my evenings getting up and rescueing her.
PERHAPS you'd be better off spending your
evenings REASSURING HER so she DON'T
GET those ANXXXIHOWESNESS BEHAVIORS?
> This goes on for hours until shes ready to go to bed.
Your dog is SUFFERING from OCD (Obsessive
Compulsive DIS-EASE) JUST LIKE HOWE the
DOG LOVER'S DOGS you're askin for advice GOT.
> I love my dog, we have had her since she was
> around a year old... but....I have arthritis in my
> back and this jumping up and down causes
> more pain.
You'll be able to TRAIN your dog from settin
right there JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard TRAINS HIS DOGS withHOWET
TOUCHING THEM <{) ; ~ ) >
<snip idocy>
> I have posted in here before and received help,
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
YOUR DOG IS DYING FROM STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) >
> I need more.
BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!
YOU AIN'T HAD ENOUGH YET???
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003
Subject: Re: Doxie, Sleeping More Than Usual
HOWEDY chickenlittle2,
WELCOME TO THE CLUB!
Your dog got The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> Some nights I have to get up with her so she
> can use her puppy pad and its 2 or 3 in the
> morning before I can get her back to bed and
> to sleep.
> The vet is doing blood tests every two months
> to check the Bun and the Creatin(sp), to see if
> the kidneys are working ok. So far shes holding
> her own. Time to test again in March.
> Thanks for hearing me out. A very tired dog 'mama'...Lea
Dr. Stanley Coren, a human psychologist at the University of
British Columbia and a recognized world expert on dogs, told
UPI he believes most canine mental problems can be handled
with behavioral therapy.
The author of ``The Intelligence of Dogs'' and ``Why We Love
the Dogs We Do'' says people need to do their homework before
buying dogs, because both dog and owner can become anxious
and depressed if their personalities don't mesh.
He says he hopes vets won't use the FDA's approval of the
drugs as an excuse to medicate dogs into submission. Coren
says many dogs that seem crazy simply need a basic obedience
class.
Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual: http://freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO
arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so
study it well and do and follow ALL the
EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a
PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET
100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT
SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in
all fields or utilities and behaviors all over
the Whole Wild World <{) ; ~ ) >
Chronic DIS-EASE
PROVING The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{);~ ) >
HOWEDY People,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard got no comment
on the medical treatment of your dog's chronic
DIS-EASES EXXXCEPT to say DOGS DIE
FROM THIS STUFF.
You've read The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
so you probably know there's a very real likliHOOD
that your dog's chronic ear infections are similiar in
nature to those of professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little
chronically ill dog Maxie who is DUE to come DHOWEN
with yet another BHOWET of SYMPTOMS due to
FHOWEL weather causing cabin fever which usually
brings abHOWET a case of obedience training!
Clicker training INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and MISTRUST.
Corrections traininng INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and MISTRUST.
Crate training INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and MISTRUST.
Spay / neutering CAUSES INCREASED anXXXIHOWESNES and MISTRUST.
AnXXXIHOWENESS and MISTRUST causes STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME
<{); ~ ) >
The Amazing Puppy Wizard URGES you to READ
HIS TEN STEP REHABILITATION program offered
to professor SCRUFF SHAKE for his little dog
Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbator's CHRONIC STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >
Then ASK YOURSELF HOWE you handled and trained
your dog for ordinary HOWEstraining and obedience.
ASK YOURSELF HOWE many times a day do you ordinarily
tell your dog "NO!" or otherWIZE intimidate or
FORCE CON-TROLL of your dog for ANY reason.
ASK YOURSELF HOWE you handle him on lead and consider
any crating or bribing to elicit or force CON-TROLL
of behaviors and you will likely see five or ten DAILY,
almost insignificant instances of random STRESS from
corrections, pulling while leash walking or anXXXIHOWESNESS
from fence running and barking or digging to relieve anXXXIHOWESNESS.
That's HOWE COME dog's IMMUNE SYSTEMS compromise
offering VERY SIMILAR although WILDLY, WIDELY
RANGING, CHRONIC, STRESS INDUCED SYMPTOMS, every
thing from LAMENESS and CRUCIATE LIGAMENT ruptures
and degenerative myelopathies and ENDOCRINE DIS-EASES
to SEIZURES, OCD's to CATARACTS BLINDNESS and even
DENTAL DIS-EASE and "ALLERGIES" and "SPAY INCONTINENCE"
MOST of HOWER dog lover's dog's got a case of chronic
sumpthin or other for THE SAME SAME SAME SAME REASONS.
These HUGE PERCENTAGES of CHRONICALLY ILL
and FEAR AGGRESSIVE SHY and SUBMISSIVE dogs
are NOT NORMAL illnesses and behaivors..
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has over forty
years field observation of problem dogs that
SEZ the HUGE PERCENTAGES of DEATHLY
ILL DOGS amongst the regular posters who've
been here FOR YEARS are NOT COIN-CIDENTAL.
Your reply may PROVE IT at least to you and
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. THAT'S HOWE
COME the DOG LOVERS you're askin are
gonna KILLFILE YOU if you REPLY.
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
SEZDECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS,
as YOU'VE SEEN in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
Archives.
Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G34D2527A
Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO
arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so
study it well and do and follow ALL the
EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a
PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET
100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT
SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in
all fields or utilities and behaviors all over
the Whole Wild World <{) ; ~ ) >
The CURSE Of The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
Or Is It Just NATURAL LAW, Tit For Tat, And All Of
That, Perhaps?
HOWEDY People,
You could train your dog not to EAT POISON or
SNAKES or KAT CRAP or SURF from the C-HOWENTERS
or not to escape or whatever you want but ONLY
if you study and follow the INSTRUCTIONS it takes
which ONLY The Amazing Puppy Wizard makes that
can teach you HOWE to DO IT YOURSELF... but YOU
WON'T on accHOWENT of you'd PREFER to HURT BRIBE
FORCE and INTIMIATE your dog just like your kids
and your SPHOWES you KNOW HOWE to DO THAT too,
don't you, dog lovers.
Is It The CURSE Of The Amazing Puppy Wizard
<{) ; ~ ) > Or Is It Just NATURAL LAW, Tit For
Tat, And All Of That, Perhaps?
HOWEDY People,
Look arHOWEND at the liars and dog
abusing mental cases you're rubbin
elbows with while askin for heelp to
hurt and intimdiate the CUNNIN domestic
puppy dog you ain't got the intellect to
HOWEtwit <{) ;~ ) >
THAT'S the COMPANY YOU BEEN KEEPIN.
Like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep.
When you lie with pigs you'll awaken STINKIN
like 'em," a lesson taught at the heel of The
Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~ ) >
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard SEZ DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT
POST HERE abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) >
THAT INCLUDES YOURSELF as PROVEN
by your own POSTED CASE HISTORY.
"When you POST HERE abHOWETS The Amazing
Puppy Wizard will NO HOWET IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE
and Discredit and leave you TURNED HOWET and
F'd OFF for the last remnants of your dignity and self
respect, if you EVER THOUGHT you EVER had any
and YOUR OWN WORDS will IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE
and DISCREDIT YOURSELF to your friends business
associates and kin for the rest of your life and for
generations to come... on accHOWENT of EVERY
THING is indellibly archived FOREVER in The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Archives <{) ; ~ ) >
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
PRETTY EMBARRASSIN, AIN'T IT, richard <{}:~ ( >
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:c0dih59r65kkskji6...@4ax.com...
> "Alison" <ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:kebgh59nungmaj412...@4ax.com...
>>>> but we've been putting him out the front door, where there
>>>> are no stairs, and we are still finding messes.>>
>>
>> The bad weather might be putting him off.
INDEED?
> We live in North Carolina. There has been no bad
> weather here yet and won't be for another month or so.
alison is a CONGENITAL IDIOT and a LYIN ANIMAL
MURDERIN MENTAL CASE, richard, JUST LIKE HOWE
I TOLD YOU <{}:~ ( >
EVERY POSTER replyin here got VERY LONG POSTED
CASE HISTORIES of HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN
innocent defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >
I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
"Alison" <aliso...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ad7n4p$ufmv0$1...@ID-80210.news.dfncis.de...
> Hi Valerie,
> It's kind of you to adopt an unwanted dog.
Yeah? It's UN kind of you to lie to Valerie, alison.
Seems Valerie is acquainted with Patch.
You're an official member of our Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Thug Cowards.
> I hope it works out .
Maybe with a little LUCK she'll be able to fix this dog?
> This is not something you can tackle alone.
You're a liar, alison. I told Valerie WE'D have her
dog trained in two weeks, and I'll STAKE MY LIFE
on it, alison. Just as I was willing to do with Nevyn's
two fighting female pbx's, alison. You remember
Nevyn, don't you? Took him 23 days flat to train
his 2 dogS NEVER to fight again WITH ANY DOG.
> This dog has issues.
NO. The dog is a dog. YOU got issues with dogs cause
YOU FEAR and HATE them for making YOU LOOK
INCOMPETENT and INFERIOR, and NOT IN CONTROL,
i.e., STUPID, alison.
That EMBARRASSES you. And Jerry makes YOU FEEL
GUILTY. Your GUILT makes YOU HATE YOURSELF.
But because you are a COWARD, you turn your SELF
HATE OUTwards, and BLAME JERRY for YOU being a
LIAR to cover up for the FACT that YOU'D KILL THIS
DOG as YOUR PAL tara o did to her DEAD DOG Summer.
I even offered Summer a PERMANENT HOWES with
me and my family, FOREVER. But Summer TRUSTED
YOUR PAL tara o, so she KILLED HER so's she
wouldn't VIOLATE SUMMER'S TRUST.
That's HOWE COME I'm dropping the hammer on you
and your Gang Of Miserable Lying Dog Abusing Thug
Cowards, alison. YOU'RE OUTTA HERE.
> It mustbe completely over whelming for a dog to be in
> a kennels for two years
You operate a kennel, alison? I've never seen what
you're saying to be true in my 40 years professional
experience...NEVER. You're a liar and a dog abuser.
YOU have dogs that develop problems in long term
boarding cause you're a dog abuser...not cause the
dog is kenneled.
> and then suddenly have to live in a society where
Where DOG LOVERS would HURT and KILL IT TO BE FAIR?
> she has forgotten the rules.
What rules, alison? We're talking about FEAR. The
SAME FEAR you and your lying dog abusing Thug
Coward pals are experiencing RIGHT NOW that
provokes YOU TO LIE in defense of your own
fragile ego, inferiority complexes, and to conceal
your weak mindedness..., alison.
<SNIP>
AN LIKE THIS:
From: "Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009
Subject: Re: Bulldogs Anyone?
HOWEDY alison you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long INCURABLE CONGENITAL
IDIOT,
"Alison" <ali...@a.XYZfsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6shiluF...@mid.individual.net...
> "hantod" <toddchan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3347ad02-9fdc-46e8...@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> My bully is getting a little agressive when I take away his chew
>> toys or bone. He's usually laid back. Any ideas on how to curb this?
His dog DON'T TRUST HIM, alison; otherWIZE
he'd SHARE an SHARE alike, as ALL PACK
CRITTERS PREFER to do <{}: ~ ( >
>> I'm having a child soon and am fearful. http://www.ratemybulldog.com\\.
> I like his coat.:)
INDEED? Would you have a PROBLEM for GETTIN
RID OF IT if he can't make IT pals with his kids, like
HOWE you recommended to "Seeing Spots"?:
THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always Be Given
The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL GUILTY
For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
Here's Valerie's story:
6/3/02, Three days after starting WEDTM...
"Seeing Spots (Val)" <Holme...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:8aSK8.20147$LC3.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical contact and she
> does seem to listen better than when I would praise with it. I agree that
> it is a distraction. Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
> started the Witts End.
------------
Sellin Your Immortal Soul To The Puppy Wizzzard:
"A Contract Signed In Werewoolf And Elf Blood"
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL
Dalmatian who is a real sweet dog with
a few issues that I am working to resolve
after adopting her from a shelter
she spent 2 years in.
All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to separate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out
of the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the
guy is pretty clever, you're letting him get
under your skin. It makes for a very amusing
game I think. I'm sure he would agree,
or he wouldn't be playing everyday.
He also wouldn't be playing if he
didn't believe that his method of
training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes,
but so far, using the Witts End, I have
gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to
look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.
I have changed her from an aggressive
dog to one who is willing to please her
owner, willing to listen, willing to assume
her role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?
===============
> It sounds like he is resource guarding,
Ya think??
> http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/resource-guarding/
Are you GETTIN PAID for recommending their BULLSHIT, alison?:
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Of curse, their IDIOCY AIN'T ALL BAD, alison, THAT'S
HOWE COME you've been DUPED into BELIEVING IT:
Written by Grisha Stewart, Ahimsa Dog Training
<SNIP IDIOCY>
>> Do you go out with him? I would stand with him to make sure he goes.
INDEED? Told ya so, eh, richard??
> Bear in mind that this is a sudden change in behavior.
An *you* bear in mind that you're askin ACTIVE ACUTE
CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS for advice
an information THEY AIN'T GOT on accHOWENTA they're
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS <{}:~ ( >
An NHOWE you've incited HOWER resident CONGENITAL IDIOT~!
> I have not had to go out with him for 16 years and have had
> no problems. I have increased the number of times he goies
> out. Now he goes out 6-8 times per day and only messes in
> the house 1-2 times per week.
You mean on accHOWENTA you DON'T KNOW HOWE
to pupperly raise handle an train your fearful critters <{}:~ ( >
Not to worry, richard - alisons dogs GOT THE SAME
PROBLEMS for the SAME REASONS <{}:~ ( >
> It's a fair assumption that no matter how often he goes
> outside, he's still going to occasionally go in the house.
INDEEDY. On accHOWENTA your dog is AFRAID of you.
From: The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard @HotMail.Com
Date: 9 Sep 2006
Subject: Re: senior dog problems
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"Red Mermaid" <EireannMa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> my dog (golden retriver/shetland collie mix) is very old.
Good for him!
> recently he has become nocturnal
You mean his sleep is disrupted <{}: ~ ( >
That'll happen sometimes. All you gotta do is PRAISE HIM
and he'll go back to sleep. He just needs a little reassurance.
> and is deficating in the house both at night and while we are away.
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> what can i do to help him not to do these things?
malinda the pathetic miserable stinkin lyin dog abusin
mental case who's own dog GOT THE SAME PROBLEM
recommended dangerHOWES pharmacutical ANTI PSYCHOTIC
medication and Science Diet Dog Food with BRAIN CHEMICALS.
steve crane, the NUTRITIONIST from Science Diet dog food has
been DISCREDITED as a LIAR a FRAUD and CON MAN:
Recent research from Purdue SEZ that ascorbic acid added
to dog food INCREASES the chances of GVD (bloat, gastric
torsion) by 320%.
Here's the research:
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/dietrisk.htm
GAUBSTER2 aka steve crane, Hill's Science Diet Nutritionist:
>> Is there such a thing as dementia in old dogs?
>> and what are the symptoms.
>> Thank you.
> Yes, there is...it's known as canine cognitive dysfunction syndrome.
....and Hill's has the only food CLINICALLY PROVEN to
fight cognitive dysfunction in dogs. Older dogs fed b/d
had a 58% learning improvement in one clinical study.
74% of dogs fed b/d had fewer "accidents" in the house.
61% of dogs fed b/d had an increased enthusiasm when
greeting family members.
Those results were all after only 30 days of being on
the food. Pennie won't (convienently) mention that since
she hates Hill's.
-----------------
Melinda Shore
In article <6ldmbv8ofb0utd93kcci4g1djukn419...@4ax.com>,
Sara <forgettabou...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Yes, and the symptoms can be treated with a drug
> called "Anypril" (I think that's the correct spelling).
Anipryl. My elderly dog was on it, as well (US $60/month).
It lost its effectiveness over time, but when it worked it
worked well.
Another treatment is Science Diet B/D food.
When I talked with the vet about it she recommended
omega-3 fatty acids.
--
Melinda Shore -
--------------------
Rocky
Gwen Watson said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>> Perhaps supplemented with CoQ10 and/or DMG?
> Well that helped alot!<g>! OK so what is DMG?
Dimethylglycine, an immune system booster. I was giving it to
Rocky for quite a while as part of a seizure reduction regime
when his seizures were coming fast and furious. Amongst other
things, DMG is thought to increase oxygen transport, including
to the brain.
Coenzyme Q10 is an antioxidant. There are studies underway
investigating its effectiveness on Parkinson Disease.
http://www.parkinson.org/newscoq10.htm
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
So, basically we're talkin abHOWET a STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >
> any suggestions/stories would be much appreciated.
You'd do better givin your dog some fish oil with
a WHOWELSOME fresh natural diet and removal
of all toxins includin flea products, parasite treatments
and vaccinations and feed a fresh WHOWELESOME
diet.
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Oaklyn Plantation:
http://www.freerangechicken.com ground chicken necks (source of
thyroid)
http://www.grasslandbeef.com ground pancreas and thymus gland
Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation:
http://www.price-pottenger.org/
www.http://www.westonaprice.org
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culinary instructions on the Puppy Wizard's coffee can, the
only physical need The Puppy Wizard requires, beyond his
internet connection and of course, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard
and puppies. But those are givens, naturally.
Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares 2 meals a day. The
following recipe is for about a 100 pound dog:
Breakfast is half pound raw ground turkey, green
Source, and 1gram vitamin C, 200mg Omega 3 fish
oil and a *Iams cookie *(cause she LIKES to).
Dinner is 2 cups cooked rice, a tablespoon of rolled
oats and an ounce of hamburg. When the rice and oats
cool, add half cup pinto or similar beans, ground fine
in the food processor with equal amounts raw collard or
similar greens or your dog's favorite vegetable or cabbage,
a tablespoon or two Olive or Cannola oil, half clove garlic,
mixed with 1/2 pound raw ground turkey, a good vitamin /
mineral supplement (Green Source for People), calcium and
magnesium, 1 gram vitamin C, 200mg Omega 3 fish oil.
Addition of table scraps is encouraged, bear in mind
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gasses provided the vegetable and beans are ground
finely and because the Green Source contains digestive
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Of curse, that's just a BASIC guide. You may add fish
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> thanks.
You're welcome.
>From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_
Research_Laboratory
Subject: Old dog with "night frights"
Date: Wed, Aug 16 2006 7:14 am
HOWEDY tony,
"Tony Cox" <t...@coxrt.com> wrote in message
news:1155676667....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> buglady wrote:
>> "Tony Cox" <t...@coxrt.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155492856....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > My old friend Bernie, collie mix, 19 1/2, still healthy
>> > for a dog his age, suffers severe anxiety at night.
>> > The vet is reluctant to put him on anything stronger, although
>> > that is an option. Anyone have experiences or suggestions?
Ever tried PRAISING the dog to reassure him?
>> ............what does he consider *stronger*? I'd try Anipryl.
bugF'nNUTS is a SHILL for veterinarians. She's blowin
smoke up HOWER arses again, tony. Perhaps she thinks
you're a ignorameHOWES like herself <{): ~ ( >
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard "JUST SEZ NO!" to non recreational
psychotropic pharmacuticals <{}; ~ ) >
>> http://www.mediarelations.k-state.edu/WEB/News/NewsReleases/listquali...
>> e.html
That's a load of crap. Some of the pharmacuticals
recommended are DEATHLY as cited in The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Archives <{); ~ ) >
>> http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_anipryl.html
LikeWIZE. It's BULLSHIT. It's only 20 - 40% effective.
And it's EXXXPENSIVE. And it's got SIDE EFFECTS.
HOWEver, the vet gotta PAY folks like bugF'nNUTS
for all her work cleanin cages in the back.
>> .......good luck to you and your oldster
Yeah. LUCK.
bugF'nNUTS' dogs GOT THE SAME PROBLEM. CuriHOWES she
didn't recommend the Science Diet dementia formulae
like that other dog abusin mental case recommended.
Recent research from Purdue SEZ that ascorbic acid added
to dog food INCREASES the chances of GVD (bloat, gastric
torsion) by 320%.
Here's the research:
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/dietrisk.htm
You'd do better givin your dog some fish oil with
a WHOWELSOME fresh natural diet and removal of all
toxins includin flea products, parasite treatments
and vaccinations.
>> buglady
>> take out the dog before replying
> The references you provided were very informative.
They was BULLSHIT. She's blowin smoke up your arse.
Perhaps you're a ignorameHOWES like herself, eh tony?
> Perhaps it is possible to cure Bernie's dementia as well.
You could do THAT simply by PRAISING him when he
gets SCARED and briefly, variably, alternately
NON PHYSICALLY DISTRACTING and INSTANTLY praising
for 5-15 seconds JUST LIKE HOWE it's taught in your
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> It'll be good to breathe some life into the old fellow.
INDEED?
>From The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_
Research_Laboratory
Subject: Anipryl Question
From: The Amazing Puppy Wizard
Date: Mon, Feb 28 2005 1:16 pm
HOWEDY chickenlittle2,
chickenlitt...@webtv.net wrote:
> My 11 year old long haired Doxie has been
> diagnosed with CCD- Canine Cognitive Dysfunction.
Yeah. That AIN'T NORMAL.
> My vet said he had his dog on Anipryl for the
> last six years of her life.
Your vet's dog got the SAME PROBLEM your dog got
FOR THE SAME SAME SAME SAME REASONS.
> She lived to be sixteen.
So WHAAAT? Your vet's dog STILL GOT the SAME PROBLEM.
> This medication is expensive, 75.00 a month
> and like as not the dose will have to be increased
> over time.
Your dog AIN'T SICK on accHOWENT of he
LACKS ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS,
he's DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE JUST LIKE YOUR VETS
DOG IS DYIN FROM THE SAME PROBLEM.
> We are on a fixed income so we are trying a
> natural product called Composure Liquid made
> by Vetri-Science. As soon as I can get the amount
> to give her worked out, it may help.
There's NUTHIN that's gonna HEELP your
dog NOT FEAR being in the dark or alone
or WHATEVER CAUSES your dog to have
ANXXXIHOWESNESS BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
JUST LIKE HOWE YOUR VETS DOG GOT FOR
THE SAME SAME SAME SAME REASONS.
<snip idocy>
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> I need more.
BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!
HOWEDY chickenlittle2,
WELCOME TO THE KENNEL CLUB!
Your dog got The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> Some nights I have to get up with her so she
> can use her puppy pad and its 2 or 3 in the
> morning before I can get her back to bed and
> to sleep.
> The vet is doing blood tests every two months
> to check the Bun and the Creatin(sp), to see if
> the kidneys are working ok. So far shes holding
> her own. Time to test again in March.
> Thanks for hearing me out. A very tired dog 'mama'...Lea
Dr. Stanley Coren, a human psychologist at the University of
British Columbia and a recognized world expert on dogs, told
UPI he believes most canine mental problems can be handled
with behavioral therapy.
The author of ``The Intelligence of Dogs'' and ``Why We Love
the Dogs We Do'' says people need to do their homework before
buying dogs, because both dog and owner can become anxious and
depressed if their personalities don't mesh.
He says he hopes vets won't use the FDA's approval of the drugs
as an excuse to medicate dogs into submission. Coren says many
dogs that seem crazy simply need a basic obedience class.
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HOWEDY People,
8 From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, Oct 21 2005 8:29 pm
HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
T...@dog-play.com wrote:
> On 20 Oct 2005 15:04:09 -0700 Moonlit_Sorc...@hotmail.com whittled these
> words:
> > Our old Chesapeake Bay Retriever mix has been
> > barking indoors at night for no reason whatsoever.
The dog is INSECURE and AFRAID because he's been
ABUSED for YEARS by his DEMENTED owner, JUST LIKE
most of the dogs here.
All she got to do is PRAISE HIM and he'll STOP BEING AFRAID.
Your CRAP links AIN'T NUTHIN but SALES PITCHES
from a veterinarian and a pharmacutical company.
THERE AIN'T NO SUCH THING as "canine cognitive disorder",
it's PLAIN OLD INSECURITY and ANXXXIHOWESNESS which can
be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY by using PRAISE.
> Diane Blackman
Your dogs are DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >
GAUBSTER2 aka steve crane, Hill's Science Diet Nutritionist:
>> Is there such a thing as dementia in old dogs?
>> and what are the symptoms.
>> Thank you.
>Yes, there is...it's known as canine cognitive dysfunction syndrome.
....and Hill's has the only food CLINICALLY PROVEN to
fight cognitive dysfunction in dogs. Older dogs fed b/d
had a 58% learning improvement in one clinical study.
74% of dogs fed b/d had fewer "accidents" in the house.
61% of dogs fed b/d had an increased enthusiasm when
greeting family members.
Those results were all after only 30 days of being on
the food. Pennie won't (convienently) mention that since
she hates Hill's.
Melinda Shore
In article <6ldmbv8ofb0utd93kcci4g1djukn419...@4ax.com>,
Sara <forgettabou...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Yes, and the symptoms can be treated with a drug
> called "Anypril" (I think that's the correct spelling).
Anipryl. My elderly dog was on it, as well (US $60/month).
It lost its effectiveness over time, but when it worked it
worked well.
Another treatment is Science Diet B/D food.
--
Melinda Shore -
When I talked with the vet about it she recommended
omega-3 fatty acids.
--
Melinda Shore -
Rocky
Gwen Watson said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>> Perhaps supplemented with CoQ10 and/or DMG?
> Well that helped alot!<g>! OK so what is DMG?
Dimethylglycine, an immune system booster. I was giving it to
Rocky for quite a while as part of a seizure reduction regime
when his seizures were coming fast and furious. Amongst other
things, DMG is thought to increase oxygen transport, including
to the brain.
Coenzyme Q10 is an antioxidant. There are studies underway
investigating its effectiveness on Parkinson Disease.
http://www.parkinson.org/newscoq10.htm
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
So, basically we're talkin abHOWET a STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >
> http://www.floridapetpages.com/articles/CanineCognitiveDysfunction.html
> Canine Cognitive Dysfunction
> Any of us who has had the blessing of having a beloved pet
> live to be well on in years knows that the aging process in
> pets often causes deterioration in the quality of life. Some
> changes we may regard as senility or "old dog syndrome".
Yeah. That's USUALLY just a case of INSECURITY.
It can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply NOT
DOIN what the EXXXPERTS tell us to do to HOWER
critters.
> It can be very disheartening to see a canine friend
> who once was an active, happy, frolicking family member
> lose his playfulness,
When we get OLD we don't LIKE PLAYIN like we done pryor as a child.
> "forget" his house training,
Critters DON'T "FORGET" HOWEsbreaking.
> begin to wake during the night and sleep during the day,
Sometimes THAT'S caused by STRESS.
> become irritable
THAT'S caused by being MISUNDERSTOOD and NEGLECTED.
> or sometimes fail to recognize or
> respond to his favorite people,
Yeah. A REMINDER is all that's necessary to
trigger them good old memories, that's all.
> all without any detectable physical explanation.
IOW, THERE AIN'T NUTHIN WRONG.
> For many years this problem, now known as
> canine cognitive dysfunction, had no known cause
BECAUSE THERE AIN'T NUTHIN WRONG.
> or hope for solution.
Well THAT'S on accHOWENT of those who throw
arHOWEND idiotic terminology like "canine
cognitive dysfunction" DON'T KNOW enough
abHOWET it to CURE the "PROBLEM" which got
NO CAUSE other than MISHANDLING.
> It was either accepted by the owners until the
> pet passed on of other causes, or eventually
> resulted in the euthanasia of the family friend
> who was no longer enjoying his own life.
BECAUSE THEIR VETERINARIANS DON'T KNOW NUTHIN ABHOWET IT.
> In many cases it had soiled the carpets,
THAT'S CAUSED BY ANXXXIHOWESNESS.
> disturbed the sleep of family members
So they MURDER their FRIEND for bein ANXXXIHOWES.
> and even snapped at his owners or their best friends.
BECAUSE THEY MISHANDLED HIM.
> It is now known that this condition is caused by an
> abnormality in the function of chemicals in the brain
> called catecholamines and are not due to some mysterious
> aging change.
Well then, just give a pharmacutical and the
critter will RETURN TO NORMAL just like freakin
MAGICK, isn't THAT correct, Doctor?
> Fortunately, there are now available through your
> veterinarian prescription medications which can
> very often reverse these changes and cause marked
> improvement, often for several years.
That's PERFECT!
> There is also an herbal formula available which can
> help many cases. Use of these medications is contraindicated
> in pets taking certain other medications; hence, it is
> important that when you consult your veterinarian about
> such troubles to alert the doctor about any prescription,
> over-the-counter or herbal medications your pet is already
> receiving.
Well then, it's FORTUNATE we got BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION
techniques which can CURE this condition FOR FREE! AIN'T
IT, Doctora.
> We have been blessed by medical research
With toxic psychopharmacuticals.
> so as our pets can live much happier and enjoyable lives
We DON'T NEED any CHEMICALS to CURE insecurity, doctora.
> into their own "golden years".
The "GOLDEN YEARS" wouldn't be SO "GOLDEN" if
we didn't MISHANDLE HOWER CRITTERS.
> Presented as a community service by Nancy M.
> Gerhardt, DVM of Kindness Animal Clinic in
> Bradenton 941-753-8948.
EXXXCELLENT!
This link AIN'T NUTHIN MORE than an
ADVERTISEMENT from the pharmcutical company:
"Please monitor your dog closely for possible adverse
reactions associated with any increase in dose. These
adverse reactions include vomiting, diarrhea, anorexia
(poor appetite) and excess salivation.
Every 6 months your dog will need a blood panel and
examination prior to refilling your dog's prescription."
Dopamine is the "FEEL GOOD" chemical released
by substances such as L.S.D. alcohol and marijuana.
Proposed modes of action:
Anipryl� enhances dopaminergic nerve cell function
Increases dopamine synthesis and release
Inhibits dopamine reuptake
Decreases dopamine catabolism by inhibiting MaOB
Potentates dopamine action
May decrease toxic free radical production while
increasing their removal
Dr. Mike @ VetInfo:
"Affected dogs may have almost any behavioral change.
Most commonly the symptoms are more along the line of
forgetting housebreaking routines, forgetting habits
like showing up in the kitchen at dinnertime or going
outside and then seeming not to know why they did that -
-- and repeating the process over and over. Increases
or decreases in aggression are sometimes seen, though.
This problem is treated using selegiline (Anipryl Rx).
It seems to help about half the dogs we think might have
cognitive dysfunction. I am not sure if we are just not
diagnosing this condition well or if the medication is
only effective half the time, though."
"This disorder causes confusion about everyday tasks
and everyday experiences. There is a medication that
helps some dogs with this problem, selegiline (Anipryl
Rx).
Our experience has been pretty variable with this
medication but it doesn't appear to be harmful. It
is expensive (about 50 to 70 dollars per month) but
some dogs really seem to improve a lot in their overall
attitude when it is used."
"Selegiline (Anipryl Rx) is a medication that seems
to have veterinary endocrinologists choosing up sides
and issuing lots of strong opinions. I have a couple
of textbooks that suggest it shouldn't be used at all
and a couple more that think it will help a lot.
The most recent information, pretty much the only
study not funded by the companies that produce
selegiline, is that it works really well in about
20% of dogs, OK in another 20% and doesn't work
well at all for the remaining 60%, when treating
hyperadrenocorticism (Cushing's disease).
In the dogs in which it worked, it did appear to
slow or arrest the growth of the pituitary tumor,
so that was a strong incentive to consider use,
especially in the subset of dogs with the tumor
type it appears to work best for which was identified
by MRI exam.
There is another complicating factor with the use
of selegiline. It is also used to treat canine
cognitive dysfunction and it is highly likely that
many patients with Cushing's disease also have
canine cognitive dysfunction, since the diseases
are most common in the same age groups. So some
of the perceived improvement is potentially due
to a concurrent problem.
There really isn't a good way, other than observation
of clinical signs, to tell if selegiline is working well.
Since people do want to get results, there is always
the potential for a placebo effect in these evaluations."
Mike Richards, DVM
37 From: Melinda Shore -
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2004 10:10 pm
Email: s...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)
In article <mqbqi0976b8nnm2vbamf3qivl9ud818...@4ax.com>,
sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com> wrote:
>That's too bad. He was supposedly 4 when you got him, but he was
>really 9, is that right?
Exactly. His card said he was an owner surrender and that
he was 4 years old, and 9 years old really isn't old for a
Siberian so there wasn't anything that would tip me off.
But wow, in the last year he's really turned into an old
dog.
>Have you had to put him on any meds for cognitive stuff yet?
Not yet, for a couple of reasons. One, certainly, is that
he gets so extremely stressed at the vet that I try not to
take him in unless it's really necessary. He's going to
have to be sedated to get a blood sample. Another is that
Anipryl only works for a limited time and I'd like to wait a
little bit longer. His more serious problems are related to
mobility and unfortunately it's progressive.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - s...@panix.com
Stephen Hawking is a flip-flopper.
"Aimee Nicole Schantz" <pitnstaff...@odnarbSPAM.com wrote
Buster is not doing well. He's blind, he's deaf,
he's gotten VERY, very senile. He would seizure
periodically. He has accidents in the house. He
gets lost in corners and around furniture. He no
longer wants to be pet and touched much, if you
try he gets up and leaves.
He barks aimlessly, he sleeps all day and is up
all night. We actually had to stop letting him be
upstairs at all because we couldn't sleep at night
with him around.
So he got banished downstairs.
Now in a crate, since he started using the house
as his bathroom. And he freaks out in the crate,
but I can't have him loose in the house, either.
Fortunately, he settles down after about an hour.
I started him on Anipryl to see if it would help with
the senility at all. Some of our clients call it a wonder
drug, some say it didn't do a thing. I figured it was
worth a shot. So of course, he starts seizuring even
MORE on the drug.
It is listed as one of the side effects, and isn't
something we would normally prescribe to a
dog who seizures occasionally. But, this
obviously isn't the answer.
I've come to the conclusion that it is time.
Dementia is not a quality life. It sucks, but it's true.
I would not want to be lost, not know where I was.
The fact that his sight and hearing are bad makes
it worse, I'm sure.
I had planned today as being the day,
but I chickened out.
Yesterday we had a "Buster's Last Day" celebration
for him. We carried him around the park and put him
down many times for him to sniff around and pee on
things.
We took lots and lots of pictures of him (
http://www.odnarb.com/busportraits1.html ).
We stopped at McDonalds. I was going to take
him in today but I couldn't do it.
I'll just have to do it later, I guess.
I've never been good at this.
Enter the bad timing part of the equation...
Dave (the SO) has wanted a GSD for years.
I've kinda fought it. Finding a good one is tough,
expensive, I'm REALLY picky about what I like in
a GSD, yada, yada. A friend called me a couple
of days ago to make some weekend plans, and
in passing told me about his coworker's problem.
He has a dog he has to rehome. A three year old
male GSD. The man purchased the dog from a
family that had moved here from Germany. The
dog sounds WONDERFUL. I don't think my friend
had any idea that I would be interested in the dog
at all.
My friend has a Dutch Shepherd litter due this
fall, and I was actually planning on taking one
of those (those plans may be changing).
I can't decide if this is fate, or bad timing. I haven't
even seen the GSD yet, so I am not even sure that
I will like him at all. Half of me feels guilty for even
considering getting another dog while Buster is
heading out the door.
Half of me thinks that maybe it was meant to be.
Just had to share my conundrum with dog folks
that care...
Aimee Nicole Schantz Brando the APBT Grant the AmStaff Buster the
Pug http://www.odnarb.com http://www.rosecitydogs.com
HOWEDY aimee,
You're a IDIOT.
Your dog ain't SICK you're KILLIN your
dog from STRESS by MISHANDLING him.
You're MURDERING HIM for CONvienience
like leah done Buck and ann done Tosca.
What's up, a lottery for the date you're
fixin to MURDER your LIVE PAIN FREE
DOG?
Every thing you've done PREDICTABLY
causes EXXXACTLY what you've GOT.
You should get the heel HOWETA dogs.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
==============
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA~!~!~!
PRETTY EMBARRASSIN, AIN'T IT, richard??
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:lf1jh51ccdh1qj2ha...@4ax.com...
> Linda Hungerford <tallgras...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I have decided the OP already has his mind made up, as
>> well as has an answer for everything we have posted to date.
>> His responses have brought to mind the word "troll".
AS STATED, richard:
"JUST LIKE HOWE I TOLD YOU; EVERY POSTER
replyin here got VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORIES
of HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT;
I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >"
> Hardly. Many of the replies I received here were of little or no
> value, more directed at training a puppy than an adult dog.
That's ABSURD and INSANE; these PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN PUNK THUG
COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE
Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASES AIN'T GOT no doGdamened
METHOD to "train" their own dogs otherWIZE they WOULDN'T
NEED to lock their dogs in boxes and ignore their cries and
jerk choke shock surgically sexually mutilate an MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT.
> A couple were useful (senility and meds) and I am following up on them.
INDEED? "Seem" you MENTAL PATIENTS NEED your
ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications to be "NORMAL" <{}:~ ( >
I got NEWS for ya, richard:
DOGS DO NOT NEED ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATION:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys.
"It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's
social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler,
1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION
ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing
the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).
> Dismissing inapplicable or impractical suggestions
You mean like lockin your dog in a box an ignorin ITS cries
an puttin diapers on your fearful aggressive doggy, richard?
> does not make me a troll,
But of curse not~!
It only makes you a SHIT-STIRRER, richard; it's ONLY on
accHOWENTA PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASES like *you* commin
in here to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Archives and IGNORING the POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of your fellHOWE MENTALLY ILL PALS who
PREFER to JERK CHOKE SHOCK BRIBE CRATE INTIMIDATE
SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE an MURDERIN their
own innocent defenseless dumb critters JUST LIKE HOWE
you SEEN FOR YOURSELF <{}';~ ) >
> but if that's the reception I'm going to get,
You mean from your fellHOWE MENTAL PATIENTS POSTIN HERE?
> I guess I'll stick with my vet.
INDEED? "Seem" your veterinary malpracticioner
COULDN'T DIEagnose Canine Cognitive DIS-EASE;
it's CAUSED BY MISHANDLIN therefore can be
EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply
by PRAISING your dog <{}:~ ( >
> Bye bye.
Your PAL dra. linda is a PSYCHIATRIST; she KNOWS
the VALUE of ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS an
MURDERIN her own FEAR AGGRESSIVE dogs <{}:~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
dra. linda hungerford aka tallgrass's St. Bernard
jumped her six foot fence and ESCAPED from her
PUPPY MILL <{); ~ ) >
AND THEN he TURNED ON HER for CHOKIN an SHOCKIN
HIM and then SHE MURDERED IT on accHOWENTA THAT'S
what lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES DO <{}:~ ( >
AIN'T IT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a81012ee...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> I have raised and trained a St. Bernard, and they are
> NOT a breed you want to get into dominance games with.
> Come to think of it, that's true of any breed.
True, in part. The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.
Linda H.
----------------------
INDEED?
And as for the BIG dogs, dra. linda?
WHAT THEN??
YOU MURDER THEM, THAT'S WHAT <{}:~ ( >
> > Anything lighter and it may not stand up to a big dog.
You mean when they GO INSANE an ESCAPE your
"secure" puppy mill kennels?
> > VarKennels that large are not easy to find -
INDEED? dra. linda couldn't find her own arse in
the dark with both hands <{}:~ ( >
> > so called Giant or X-Large. For snow dogs, I like
> > the greater ventilation that the metal crates allow.
INDEED?
> > Linda H., lurking for a while
> > Saint Bernards
Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten
(she means jerked choked shocked
intimidated and murdered)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 5 Feb 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Bill Vajk <bill9no...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
<news:uY-dnavwu6_...@comcast.com>...
> When no one is actually watching, there's nobody here.
So.....if a tree falls in the forest, or the list....?????
!!!!!
Linda H.
--------------------------------
Not to worry dra. linda hunger, they're ALL INDELLIBLY
ARCHIVED FOREVER in The Animal Behavior Sciences
Forensic Research Laboratory Archives:
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a81012ee...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> I have raised and trained a St. Bernard, and they are
> NOT a breed you want to get into dominance games with.
> Come to think of it, that's true of any breed.
True, in part. The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.
Linda H.
----------------------
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 31 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a847a3ff...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> The mention of it is what triggered my reference to the
> Monks of New Skete. They discuss the use of eye contact
> in training, among a number of other techniques. Their
> book approaches dog training from the viewpoint of the
> dog, and explains what your body language and actions
> are actually teaching the dog. They discuss methods of
> punishment and times when it is appropriate.
>
> They are the ones who taught me how to use the scruff
> shake and eye contact to assert dominance over a dog.
> The technique speaks directly to the dog's instincts.
> A dog has a deep need to know its position in the pack,
> and will challenge you until it knows who is alpha.
>
> <<snipped>>
<<<vbeg>>>.....dare ya to give a scruff shake and eye
contact to a 33 1/2 mastiff breed/saint/dane, that
yesterday chomped onto your arm...
> The full title is: _How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend: The
> Classic Training Manual for Dog Owners_ by Monks of New Skete.
> Seriously. Check it out. In my never-humble opinion,
> it is the best book on dogs ever written.
I expect delivery of my copy of this book sometime next
week. Found a good price on a lightly used copy thru
Amazon.com.
Scary stuff, trying to assert dominance over a dominant
aggressive dog that weighs 150# +/-, and has learned to bite.
Trust me, very scary.
Linda H.
-------------------------
HOWE did the dog LEARN to "ASSERT DOMINANCE", Doctora linda?:
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 22 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
"The Rock Garden" <hens...@povn.com> wrote in message
<news:iZadnVSYT7a...@povn.com>...
> "Bob Greene" <rgre...@pivot.net> wrote
> > My server just finally picked up this group
> > again, and what happened?
> > It used to be full of discussions about rural life -
> > now all this political, tree hugging drivel......
> > Is there anybody out there?
>
> Yeah, it always gets a little twitchy this time
> of the year, cabin fever in most of the northern
> hemisphere ya know, but it's even worse than normal
> this year. Most of the regulars are sitting it out
> for a while, waiting for the social misfit cross-
> posters to eventually wear down and go away.
> In the meantime, the kill file and delete key are your friends. :-)
> Skip
Me, I have thought that some may be wondering if I
am lurking out here, waiting to psychoanalyze them,
so some are not posting. !!!!!!! hehe...only our
hairdressers know for sure!!!
<AND so will Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic
Research Laboratory, dra linda, which means the
WHOLE WILD WORLD is gonna KNOW.>
Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night,
so have been tormented the last two days with the worries
of what to do with this previously abused dog.
<"PREVIOUSLY", dra linda?>
Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and
will not repeat my behavior which incited the biting incident -
the application of a choke chain collar right behind the ears.
Yowzer!!!!!...instant vicious (briefly) saint bernard.
<"BRIEFLY", being that YOU MURDERED IT because
you have a MENTAL ILLNESS, dral linda: "Physican,
HEEL THYSELF".>
Third...prior to yesterday, I was obsessed with trying
to find this obsolete part for my Ariens snowblower, so
have been searching the web adn sending out emails.
Futile endeavors, to date, btw.
So...we be Busy!!!
Linda H.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: dj_macint...@hotmail.com (DJ)
Date: 2 Feb 2004 05:27:00 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) wrote in message
> Considering I had a grooming table salesman describe
> how they would literally hang birddogs to get their
> attention, I figured a well controlled stare-down was
> pretty non-invasive.
It's called (DJ says with disgust) "Stringing them up".
The proceedure is that you grab the dog by a CHOKE collar,
and suspend it from it until the dog almost passes out,
then you release it.
It is *supposed* to teach the dog to obey you or you will kill it.
I DO NOT support, suggest, or perform that technique;
I'm just passing it on for information.
It is still popular with some of the VERY old school
trainers; and yes, it has, occasionally, killed the dog.
DJ
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 26 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a7ae6e26...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <aeb1ce4e.0401222245.70567...@posting.google.com>,
> tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) says...
> > Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night
> > so have been tormented the last two days with the worries
> > of what to do with this previously abused dog.
> > Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt,
> > and will not repeat my behavior which incited the
> > biting incident - the application of a choke chain
> > collar right behind the ears. Yowzer!!!!!...instant
> > vicious (briefly) saint bernard.
>
> St. Bernards are one of the most likely breeds to bite.
> They take a lot of socialization as puppies, and are
> definitely not recommended for people who don't understand
> the breed. If yours was abused as a pup, you may never be
> able to trust him.
There are certain lines of saint bernards with volatile
temperaments, and this dog was 25% of them...."vicious"
is the current reliable urban legend for his gr.grandsire.
I took the dog to the vet last Friday morning, and he
growled each time Doc tried to listen to his chest and
belly, respectively. I could not bring myself to load
the dog back into the van and risk my limbs further, so
I had the dog put down.
He was accustomed to being in charge, a dominant temperament,
and had learned he could bite and get away with it. Too much
for me, and what I consider to be unsaintly temperament.
Your suggestions regarding handling a canine "loaded gun,
with the safety off adn a hair trigger" are welcome. Me,
I could not risk my limbs nor face to training this dog,
and I do not own a handgun (yet!).
Cell phones do not work out here, and I am thirty miles
from the sheriff's office if I wanted the dog shot on site.
I thought about owning a cattle prod, but could not
comprehend why I would want to live with a 140# ++
dog that might bite me after a collar correction,
if I stood behind him, if I tried to stuff him into a
crate, or if he encountered an oriental person (all
known triggers to growling/biting).
Also, I do not own schutzhund gear, and I am not
interested in risking limbs and digits to a dog.
As for his abusive environment....he had been out of
that environment for at least 18 months, but I think
very little work had been done with him prior to my
acquiring him.
It is a shame, too, for I would have liked to add his
33 1/2" at the withers frame to my line of dogs.
I will settle for shorter sweet saints anyday, thankyouanyway.
Linda H.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 29 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a82dc20e...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <2004012823521388...@flobalob.zetnet.co.uk>,
> janet.and.j...@flobalob.zetnet.co.uk (Janet Baraclough ..) says...
> > The message <aeb1ce4e.0401280919.18f57...@posting.google.com>
> > from tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) contains these words:
> > > Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
> > > <news:MPG.1a81012ee...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
>
> > > > I have raised and trained a St. Bernard, and they
> > > > are NOT a breed you want to get into dominance games
> > > > with. Come to think of it, that's true of any breed.
>
> > > True, in part. The ankle-biters, though, can be picked
> > > up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.
>
> > To a dog, staring is an act of aggression and intimidation.
> > What you suggest is just bullying, likely to result in a
> > nervy defensive dog> which doesn't trust you.
> > NOT a great way to train any breed.
I don't see this original post, so can't respond
to any more of it than what is above. However...
what are dominance disagreements besides bullying,
at times?
I would think a staredown would be preferrable
to some other trainers methods.
> Just about the finest book on dog training I ever
> read was "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend", written
> by The Monks of New Skete, who breed GSDs. Those
> guys really understand dogs. If you follow their
> advice, you won't go wrong. Highly recommended.
> They have several books and videos.
> http://www.mirabilis.ca/archives/000291.html
> Check it out.
Thanks for the title. Have been meaning to get around
to it, and have put it on a lower priority. From the
title, though, I have to question whether or not I want
to be my dog's best friend, or vice versa...?
The title implies equality between person and dog, which
I understand as a path to the dog testing limits until
it is convinced that it is not in charge.
Perhaps the title is a misnomer...
Linda H.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 30 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
John Klausner <somi...@adephia.net> wrote in message
<news:FrGdnTDGrYN...@adelphia.com>...
> You consider "staring down" to be a harsh training method?
> SueK
> Janet Baraclough .. wrote:
> snipped
> > I'm not sure if "anklebiters" meant pups or small-breed
> > adult dogs; but either way, imho it's unnecessary and counter-
> > productive to exert that level of aggression or intimidation
> > on such a small creature.
> > There are better ways to teach a small dog your
> > respective social positions, without hurting,
> > cowing or humiliating it.
> >> I would think a staredown would be
> >> preferrable to some other trainers methods.
> > In my view, as a training method it has the same
> > disadvantage as other harsh training methods.
> > hey only worsen neurotic defensive and aggressive behaviour.
> > Janet
Considering I had a grooming table salesman describe
how they would literally hang birddogs to get their
attention, I figured a well controlled stare-down was
pretty non-invasive.
However, heeding Janet's informed advice, I have Just
purchased a copy of the Monks' book, and look forward
to training myself with it in the next ten days or so.
If their techniques can convince a german shepherd,
it is worth my while to see what they have to offer
for my giant dogs.
Linda H., listening and learning
--------------------------
INDEED??
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys.
"It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's
social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler,
1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION
ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing
the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 27 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
John Klausner <somi...@adephia.net> wrote in message
<news:VYqdnabGFOh...@adelphia.com>...
> I'm sorry that you had to make that decision. Not that
> I don't think it was the right one...but it's sad when
> such a decision has to be made.
> Good for you, too, for not using him as a breeder, given
> the facts. I'm sure you could have managed it, and worked
> around the problems - but I think you were right not to do so.
> The breed is absolutely too big to have to deal with
> temperment problems, imo. Not all breeders have the
> same compunctions since in this case, at least, it
> appears that the urban legend apparently had some basis
> in fact. Not a great way to have it proven.
> SueK
FWIW....I have a gr. grandson saint here that descends
from a reputedly "downright nasty" dog, and he does Not
have a mean bone in his body. Totally different lines
of dogs, too; West coast vs. East coast.
Considering the person that told me about the "nasty"
dog, I would have growled at her too!
If I had been bitten in warm weather, I am sure the
decedant dog would have drawn blood, if not broken
my ulnar bone.
As it was, his top canine tooth bruised me through
two sweatshirts, the top one heavily lined. I still
have a superficial abrasion at the site of the tooth
impact, but the pain is beginning to subside.
Anyways....the three saints I have here now are truly
saints, and the danes' temperaments are nearly the same.
Case in point, one of the dane girls had to have some
stitches out last Friday, and none of us (Vet, assistant,
me) realised that we were not holding her muzzle while
the sutures were being removed.
Gracie just sat there, nonplussed, like the good girl
that she is. That was the highlight of last Friday,
for sure.
Linda H.
--------------------
You're nuthin but a loathesome ignorant animal
abusing coward backyard puppy miller breeder
profiteer, a FRAUD as a "psychiatrist and an
ABOMINATION as a physician, Doctora linda.
Here's a dog you CRIPPLED:
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 4 Dec 2001
Subject: Veterinary spinal surgeon sought
After several months of illness, my saint bernard,
Red, has been diagnosed with discospondylitis at
L7-S1 and is beginning dicloxacillin tonight for
presumed staph or strep infection. His treating v
eterinary internist is not optimistic regarding his
recovering enough to lead a pain free life, and i
want to know what Red's surgical options are.
Red is the son of the 1997 SBCA National Specialty's
WD and Best Bred-by, so I would like to do as much as
I can for this dog, while trying to stay rational about
the situation <<sigh>>.
Secondly, I am wondering how to go about trying to
stabilize the LS joint over the next month of medical
treatment. Are there any veterinary back braces out
there that could be utilized?
Maybe something homemade, leaving the penile sheath
uncovered for urination...?? Will have to try to
see what i can come up with myself, also.
thank you all. heck of a way to say...I'm back online, eh??
Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 4 May 2002
Subject: Re: St Bernard desperately needs HELP!!!
tranx...@aol.com (Laura S) wrote in message
<news:20020503153133...@mb-mn.aol.com>...
> > I personally think that the person who WAS told
> > to STOP should have stopped, he WAS warned that
> > the dog might bite
>
> I agree with Diane. Dogs need to be trained properly.
> Laura of NC
>
> If you can't be a good example, then you'll
> just have to be a horrible warning.
> -Catherine Aird-
Training or not, this is Un-saintly behavior, by
American standards, and strongly suggests that the
dog has a very poor temperament. I would hope that
this is not the desired temperament of British Saint
Bernards...??
Dra. linda.
Sat, Jun 4 2005
Subject: Re: Tacoma WA st. bernard lost
HOWEDY doctora linda,
Linda E. Hungerford wrote:
> A two year old male saint bernard jumped the six foot
> containment fence yesterday and is out and about,
Whaaat, no shock fence for IT?
Dogs ESCAPE when they're UNHAPPY.
> location unknown other than originating in Tacoma.
Yeah. That's what they call LOST.
> A long hair saint, his face is distinctive due
> to it almost being all white.
That's UNDESIRABLE in a well bred St. Bernard.
> We do not consider him dangerous,
Unless he lays on you.
> but will certainly be dirty when found.
Maybe not...
> Dog is from multiple generations of show animals,
> and sire was top weight pulling saint in Y2K. Yes,
> he is strong too.
Is this the same dog that bit you when you jerked
and choked IT?
> He may be headed for Canada, where he usually lives.
Dogs run HOWET on their people who ABUSE them.
> Anyone along the route (?!?!?!?!?) thinking they
> have spotted him or found him please notify me
> backchannel asap.
Yeah. Meanwhile we'll review a little of your
own posted case history, eh doctora linda?
> TIA....
> Linda H., the human Auntie
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"Richard Evans" <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Linda Hungerford <tallgras...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I have decided the OP already has his mind made up, as
>> well as has an answer for everything we have posted to date.
>> His responses have brought to mind the word "troll".
AS STATED, richard:
"JUST LIKE HOWE I TOLD YOU; EVERY POSTER
replyin here got VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORIES
of HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT;
I'LL CITE THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AS I REPLY TO THEIR
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE <{};~ ) >"
> Hardly. Many of the replies I received here were of little or no
> value, more directed at training a puppy than an adult dog.
That's ABSURD and INSANE; these PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN PUNK THUG
COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE
Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASES AIN'T GOT no doGdamened
METHOD to "train" their own dogs otherWIZE they WOULDN'T
NEED to lock their dogs in boxes and ignore their cries and
jerk choke shock surgically sexually mutilate an MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT.
> A couple were useful (senility and meds) and I am following up on them.
INDEED? "Seem" you MENTAL PATIENTS NEED your
> Dismissing inapplicable or impractical suggestions
You mean like lockin your dog in a box an ignorin ITS cries
an puttin diapers on your fearful aggressive doggy, richard?
> does not make me a troll,
But of curse not~!
It only makes you a SHIT-STIRRER, richard; it's ONLY on
accHOWENTA PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN
LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASES like *you* commin
in here to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Archives and IGNORING the POSTED CASE
HISTORIES of your fellHOWE MENTALLY ILL PALS who
PREFER to JERK CHOKE SHOCK BRIBE CRATE INTIMIDATE
SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE an MURDERIN their
own innocent defenseless dumb critters JUST LIKE HOWE
you SEEN FOR YOURSELF <{}';~ ) >
> but if that's the reception I'm going to get,
You mean from your fellHOWE MENTAL PATIENTS POSTIN HERE?
> I guess I'll stick with my vet.
INDEED? "Seem" your veterinary malpracticioner
Tara Green
> Tara Green <jellybea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> You didn't read my post.
>
> Yes, I read it perfectly well.
>
>> I said it sounds like he was confused.
>
> Yes, I read that.
>
>> I *also* said that some folks do use garments
>> for dogs who *do* develop incontinence.
>
> Yes, and I replied as to why, if it were incontinence, any form of
> diaper would not be a solution.
(shaking head)
I was only bringing it up because if this is
age-related confusion, then this might be
something to look at *in the future*.
Sheesh. For someone asking for help, you
don't make people actually *want* to help you
much.
>> Its not that hard. You don't use *actual*
>> "depends", its just a way of describing it.
>
> I don't care how you describe it, he won't tolerate having his
> hindquarters messed with.
At all?
That sounds odd to me. Very odd.
Tara Green
> Richard Evans wrote:
>> FurPaw <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it's a huge inconvenience, but I don't think it's likely that
>>> your dog just suddenly decided that he's not going out because it's
>>> not convenient - it's not stubbornness or belligerence. Continue to
>>> look for a cause in the meds, pain, or some other illness not yet
>>> diagnosed.
>>
>>
>> That's what I was doing by posting here.
>
> Well, it's unlikely that you'll get a diagnosis here. If your current
> vet isn't helping, then I'd suggest that you consult another one.
>
>
Exactly. I mentioned age-related confusion
and possible senility (to the OP, you're
welcome, by the way. Pfft), you mentioned
possible medication related issues, and Sally
(who has extensive experience with this sort
of thing) has mentioned some potential
management approaches, as have we all.
But apparently none of this warrants anything
except dismissal.
If he was expecting a diagnosis, he was
misplaced. IN another post, he apparently
acknowledged (barely) that he got some ideas
here....all the while dismissing those very
people that GAVE him those ideas.
I'm done. He should really go get a second
vet's opinion.
FurPaw
> Exactly. I mentioned age-related confusion and possible senility (to the
> OP, you're welcome, by the way. Pfft), you mentioned possible medication
> related issues, and Sally (who has extensive experience with this sort
> of thing) has mentioned some potential management approaches, as have we
> all.
>
> But apparently none of this warrants anything except dismissal.
>
> If he was expecting a diagnosis, he was misplaced. IN another post, he
> apparently acknowledged (barely) that he got some ideas here....all the
> while dismissing those very people that GAVE him those ideas.
Yes - he was busily playing the Yes-But game. Well, it's hard for
some people to admit they need help. Or maybe he was just
looking for someone to tell him it was hopeless, to give him
permission to put the dog down???
> I'm done. He should really go get a second vet's opinion.
At least he'd have to pay in order to tell someone that their
advice wasn't what he was looking for. :-|
Ron Barrett
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@HotMail.Co
m> wrote:
> HOWEDY richard,
>
.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x
>
> Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!
>
> BYE!
God - what a fucking nutcase! Save it for your barroom friends, asshole!
Janet Boss
Richard Evans <inf...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Now he goes out 6-8 times
> per day and only messes in the house 1-2 times per week. It's a fair
> assumption that no matter how often he goes outside, he's still going
> to occasionally go in the house.
So confine him and supervise him instead of letting him do that. If an
area is not easily accessible to humans, it must be able to be blocked.
The very young and the very old need our help - give it to him.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
warmb...@aol.com.invalid
wrote:
>I know it's a huge inconvenience, but I don't think it's likely that your
>dog just suddenly decided that he's not going out because it's not
>convenient - it's not stubbornness or belligerence. Continue to look for a
>cause in the meds, pain, or some other illness not yet diagnosed.
You are lucky he is still in your life. Make his remaining time
comfortable.
Bailey the Pit
warmb...@aol.com.invalid
<ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote:
>The very young and the very old need our help - give it to him.
Great post
Bailey the Pit
P. Foley
>I have a 16-year-old neutered Chow mix who has suddenly abandoned his
> housebreaking. He's not incontinent because he travels to specific
> spots to let fly. The other night, we were having dinner, right next
> to the door into the yard. He walked past the door and past us into
> the corner and pissed in the corner. No attempt whatsoever to ask to
> go out. Now he's crapping as well as pissing.
>
> He has bad arthritis and the stairs into the yard are a problem, so I
> thought he was just avoiding having to deal with the stairs, but we've
> been putting him out the front door, where there are no stairs, and we
> are still finding messes.
>
> especially with cold weather coming on, but I can't keep cleaning up
> after him either.
>
==========
Wow, I can't believe your Chow has lived 16 years; that is great. My Chow
lived a long life also, but lived to be 13. At the end of his life he also
lost control, which he had never ever done before. He was extremely neat
and clean only going in one spot in the back yard all his life. I am
thinking, as are some of the other people here, that the medicine could be
affecting him. It could also be affecting his state of mind, since he is so
elderly. Call the vet and ask if you could try something else. It might
also have something to do with his hips; he must be in a lot of pain, and
there is might be a lot of pain involved in that area when he goes or when
he has to go down stairs to go. We used to wrap a towel around our Chow's
groin and gently lift it up when he had to walk, and he would walk on his
front feet. We also built a ramp for him, so he wouldn't have to jump into
the car. That was very near to the end of his life.
I feel bad for your dog. Chows are such proud dogs.