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david drexler

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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Hi,

We're thinking about buying a house where the former tenants kept dogs
indoors. Most rooms smell of urine, some more than others. Even where
the floor has been ripped out completely down to bare concrete slab, we
can still smell it. But the worst of it is upstairs. The floor
covering is removed, plywood exposed. We put down quite a lot of
clorox, which is now mostly evaporated, and the urine smells even worse
than before.

The seller has already used enzyme-D, sprinkled baking soda liberally,
and sprayed the walls with multiple coats of Kilz. It helped for
awhile, mostly by masking the smell. But that's no good; the source of
the smell is still there and the humidity will bring it out again.
We've considered trying to seal the floors with a Kilz or Zinzer, but
suspect the baking soda and dirt will prevent a good seal on the
plywood, upstairs. Not sure about on the slab.

Has anyone dealt with a pet urine problem this extreme before? Advice?

Email would be greatly appreciated: mailto:ku...@okcity.com

Thanks so much!

david

Paul Isaacs

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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I have found Citra-Solve (a full strength cirtus cleaner) to be great
with dog urine. HOWEVER, it would be super expensive for large scale
problems. Also, it is very caustic when used with the wrong materials,
especially certain plastics. You would also have to test it on varnishes
and the like. But otherwise it's great, also great on greases, paint,
chewing gum, etc., etc.
--
Paul Isaacs

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Lytning

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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There again, I understand that boiling a pot of lime, or maybe lye, will
remove oders. An Insurance adjuster told me that back in the "old" days this
was used a lot.
Plan B check with an outfit like service pro that does a lot of fire damage
cleaning. Hope I have been of some help.
Paul Isaacs wrote in message <36C575...@NOSPAMerols.com.com>...

patsyjudy

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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Plain old white vinegar works pretty well. I soaked the plywood upstairs in
it. Put a fan on it to help it dry. Have not yet noticed the return of the
smell but then again, we are not into summer yet.

Patsy

Dave & Connie

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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I had the same problem in some rooms in our house when we bought it. If
you think it smells now wait until the heater goo's on or it gets wet.
What I did was to rip out any carpet and pad damaged. I had to remove
the heat registers (floor mount) clean ducks with clorox followed by Lysol
. The odor is in the floor wood or concrete, What I did was paint floor
with shellac. You may have paint part of walls if urine is on them. They
use shellac to seal odors in fire damaged areas, you may be able to use
Killtz ( its about same as shellac) it's a sealer. I tried spraying floors
with lacquer and it did no good . I have tried all the Crap you buy at pet
store it might work if you use right away. You might get a price on having
all the floors sealed, and then you will have walls, you might for a
bargaining tool.

rto...@removethis.oanet.com

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:28:43 -0600, david drexler <ku...@okcity.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>We're thinking about buying a house where the former tenants kept dogs
>indoors. Most rooms smell of urine, some more than others. Even where
>the floor has been ripped out completely down to bare concrete slab, we
>can still smell it. But the worst of it is upstairs. The floor
>covering is removed, plywood exposed. We put down quite a lot of
>clorox, which is now mostly evaporated, and the urine smells even worse
>than before.
>
>The seller has already used enzyme-D, sprinkled baking soda liberally,
>and sprayed the walls with multiple coats of Kilz. It helped for
>awhile, mostly by masking the smell. But that's no good; the source of
>the smell is still there and the humidity will bring it out again.
>We've considered trying to seal the floors with a Kilz or Zinzer, but
>suspect the baking soda and dirt will prevent a good seal on the
>plywood, upstairs. Not sure about on the slab.
>
>Has anyone dealt with a pet urine problem this extreme before? Advice?
>
>Email would be greatly appreciated: mailto:ku...@okcity.com
>

>Thanks so much! David
>
The next five posts make interesting reading. It makes one wonder
about the mentality of the previous pet owners who would fail to train
their pets to behave indoors. It is really so easy if they are taught
when young.


Joe Barta

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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Try training a male cat not to spray when he "comes of age". If you
choose to have his pockets picked, the vet will want to wait until
master kitty is of a certain age before the surgery. Until then, all you
can do is watch for that little leg to rise and then throw something at
him. Male kitty spray has got to be the most pungent and permeating
stuff on the planet.
- Joe Barta

blac...@dog-play.com

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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Do you know how to use the Dejanews service at http://www.dejanews.com?
Do a search in the newsgroup misc.rural for "cat urine" either last year
or the year before. Very extensive advice together with reports from the
folks trying it about how things were going.

Diane Blackman
di...@dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com
- - - - - - - - -
" . . . approximately 90 percent of the behavior owners consider negative
occurs when their pets are isolated or alone." "The Body Language and
Emotion of Dogs" by Myrna M. Milani, DVM.

In rec.pets.dogs.behavior david drexler <ku...@okcity.com> wrote:

: We're thinking about buying a house where the former tenants kept dogs


: indoors. Most rooms smell of urine, some more than others. Even where
: the floor has been ripped out completely down to bare concrete slab, we
: can still smell it. But the worst of it is upstairs. The floor
: covering is removed, plywood exposed. We put down quite a lot of
: clorox, which is now mostly evaporated, and the urine smells even worse
: than before.

: The seller has already used enzyme-D, sprinkled baking soda liberally,
: and sprayed the walls with multiple coats of Kilz. It helped for
: awhile, mostly by masking the smell. But that's no good; the source of
: the smell is still there and the humidity will bring it out again.
: We've considered trying to seal the floors with a Kilz or Zinzer, but
: suspect the baking soda and dirt will prevent a good seal on the
: plywood, upstairs. Not sure about on the slab.

: Has anyone dealt with a pet urine problem this extreme before? Advice?

: Email would be greatly appreciated: mailto:ku...@okcity.com

: Thanks so much!

: david

david drexler

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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Thanks for all the responses! You people are fantastic.

david

Lytning

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Feb 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/13/99
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We know, but tell us how you make out.
Lytning

david drexler wrote in message <36C60850...@okcity.com>...

Michele Mauro

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Feb 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/14/99
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Kilz will work on the concrete floor - had a cat with kidney failure and
an incontinent dog (old age, both of them) and needed to do the same
thing with my last house. There's a product called Nature's Miracle,
available in most pet stores that may be able to handle the plywood - if
not, have the seller's replace the plywood (or lower your bid
accordingly). Nature's Miracle says it's "guaranteed to removed ALL pet
accident stains and odors - Permanently - Everywhere. Even urine odors
other products fail to remove," and says it's safe on all water-safe
surfaces (I had to use it on my linens because of the ill cat - washed
my laundry in it and it got the smell out).

You also might want to replace the baseboards - that may be retaining
the smell (not the walls), and hope it hasn't penetrated to the studs.
I've only used Kilz on concrete, never walls, so no experience there on
why it didn't work.

Good luck, Michele
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DogStar716

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Feb 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/14/99
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>> Most rooms smell of urine, some more than others. >>

If this is cat urine, you are basically out of luck. Cat urine cannot ever be
totally eliminated from carpet, padding, etc.

Personally, I would look for another house.


Dogstar716
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his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true,
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Sean Smith

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Feb 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/16/99
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In article <36C51B9B...@okcity.com>, ku...@okcity.com says...
>Hi,

>We're thinking about buying a house where the former tenants kept dogs
>indoors. Most rooms smell of urine, some more than others. Even where
>the floor has been ripped out completely down to bare concrete slab, we
>can still smell it. But the worst of it is upstairs. The floor
>covering is removed, plywood exposed. We put down quite a lot of
>clorox, which is now mostly evaporated, and the urine smells even worse
>than before.
>The seller has already used enzyme-D, sprinkled baking soda liberally,
>and sprayed the walls with multiple coats of Kilz. It helped for
>awhile, mostly by masking the smell. But that's no good; the source of
>the smell is still there and the humidity will bring it out again.
>We've considered trying to seal the floors with a Kilz or Zinzer, but
>suspect the baking soda and dirt will prevent a good seal on the
>plywood, upstairs. Not sure about on the slab.
>Has anyone dealt with a pet urine problem this extreme before? Advice?
>Email would be greatly appreciated: mailto:ku...@okcity.com
>Thanks so much!
>david

The only intelligent solution I see here would be to not buy the house
and let some other white trash move in when these trash move out. It's obvious
that the urine is completely soaked into all of the woodwork and drywall and
will never come out.

Sean


Jeff & Susan Stringer

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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Cat Pee lady here!

Our new/old house was full of Cat Pee, we are STILL working on it. But it
is getting better. First we scrubbed the floors with Pine Sol to
disinfect, then we tryed the "Natural Wonder" and the "Simple Solution"
from the pet store. I think the later worked better and I know it cost
less. After that, we mopped the whole place in White Vinager - twice. We
started on the Oxalitic acid to bleach the stains out of hard wood floors,
but I don't think it was strong enough.

BTW - my dad has started sanding the edges of the oak flooring. Want to
talk about an interesting STENCH? Sanding oak smells bad anyway, but now
it's been soaked in cat pee, enzimes that smell like alcohol, vinager and
bleaching agents. WHEW!

Other people have suggested crunched up brickettes as Charcoal absorbs
smells, although it leaves a lot of messy black dust to clean up. I use
Odoban, from Sam's Warehouse Club to remove pet odor and spots from our
current carpet. Our little dog is 12 years old and starting to have a few
health problems associated with old age. Somedays I think he's just mad at
us for spending so much time away from "home" and coming back smelling so
badly of cat pee and cleaning fluids.

Hugs,
Susan


Roy Smith

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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Jeff & Susan Stringer <stri...@cdc.net> wrote:
> BTW - my dad has started sanding the edges of the oak flooring. Want to
> talk about an interesting STENCH?

A while back, I helped a guy tear out a small half bath (toilet and sink)
in a private club with restaurant/bar. The floor was several layers of
wood planking and/or plywood with tile on top. Apparantly, a lot of the
guys who had been using the toilet for the past 75 year or so didn't have
very good aim. When we started the job, there was no odor problem. As we
tore off each layer to get down to the floor joists, we got treated to one
aromatic adventure after another!

--
Roy Smith <r...@popmail.med.nyu.edu>
New York University School of Medicine


lhar...@nunic.nu.edu

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Feb 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/20/99
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In article
<4B82A85085EB51D1.3793BD47...@library-proxy.airnews.net
>, Jeff & Susan Stringer <stri...@cdc.net> wrote:

> Cat Pee lady here!

> BTW - my dad has started sanding the edges of the oak flooring. Want to

> talk about an interesting STENCH? Sanding oak smells bad anyway, but now
> it's been soaked in cat pee, enzimes that smell like alcohol, vinager and
> bleaching agents. WHEW!

Oh, I've been there, so I know. The man's a saint.

>
> Other people have suggested crunched up brickettes as Charcoal absorbs
> smells, although it leaves a lot of messy black dust to clean up. I use
> Odoban, from Sam's Warehouse Club to remove pet odor and spots from our
> current carpet.

Actually, you can buy activated charcoal made to deodorize aquariums at pet
stores (and most likely Wal-mart) that is almost white in color and a *lot*
less messy than breaking up charcoal briquettes.

There's also another product called NilOdor that was recommended to me by a
friend who cleans up houses after sewage spills, floods, deaths, etc. Some
janitorial supply houses carry it and you can also get it mail order from
Van Dykes Antique Restoration. They have a free catalog that's *full* of great
stuff. Their URL is www.vandykes.com.

Leanne

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Jeff & Susan Stringer

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Feb 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/28/99
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> There's also another product called NilOdor that was recommended to me by a
> friend who cleans up houses after sewage spills, floods, deaths, etc. Some
> janitorial supply houses carry it and you can also get it mail order from
> Van Dykes Antique Restoration. They have a free catalog that's *full* of great
> stuff. Their URL is www.vandykes.com.

Cool! I use Van Dykes Taxidermy supply for all sorts of fun stuff. My husband
and I do a variety of craft activities and the Taxidermy catalog has all kinds of
sculpting tools, painting supplies, putties and fillers, epoxies, adhesives,
knives and cutters, clamps, even Dental supplies. You would be surprised how many
useful things they sell! And its all mail order! No funny little salesman asking
dumb questions like, "Why do you want one of those?"

Hugs,
Susan


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