More poison for our pets......... >:-(
Kelly Green
hopitus
> We can't even buy safe toys for our pets now. >:-(
> http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20091207/consumer-group-zhu-zhu-p...
Hoping you are legit....I know all about this, having researched it in
depth. It is
not easy to comprehend. There are tons of USA parents who have bought
these
things for their kids (marketed heavily for 10 years and under) and
are unaware
of this breaking news. The toys are at this time majorly hard to find
even at a
steep increase in their previous "under $10" price each (they are a
set of plush
(stuffed) soft, cuddly, adorable looking hamster-like animals). I had
found a source
to buy them at low price by surfing the Net, for my grand daughter,
age 5. Thank
fully, I also noticed search engine headlines like your link all
regarding their danger
but not explaining the danger. I had to research antimony and after
much reading
learned that they are containing, not only inside the stuffing but on
the outside fur
and animal-face an *ingredient*...metallic but not a metal itself
(this concerns
chemistry) which is one of several which make up THE POISONOUS
INGREDIENT
IN THOSE BANNED BABY BOTTLES AND SODA BOTTLES recently headlined
for leaching harmful chemical into the liquid contained in those
bottles. This is
abstract thinking, but yeah we are not talking bottles here....BUT GET
THIS....my
'grand daughter and many of the gifted kids would kiss and sleep with
these cute
little critters right up in their face. Antimony can leach right from
the toy into their
skin and/or lips, just like it (in the bottles ingredients) does into
the water/soda
inside them. According to Wikipedia and elsewhere.
I am aware of NO ONE who would buy these things as a pet toy...they
are fairly
expensive, and have some mechanism which makes them "respond" to
children
by squeaking or something like that, but just because their target
market is kids
and parents of hoomins, doesn't mean some pet owner would not be
vulnerable to buy
this really cute little snuggy for their beloved pet.
I was not going to bring this to a cat ng but have now had my say re
ZhuZhu Pets.
boot
Thank you for this notice. I stopped buying cat toys for my kitty
after reading something bad about the stuffing (can't think of what it
was exactly). All this toxic merchandise produced in the name of
cheap retail goods (hello Walmart et al) that Americans supposedly
want is such a betrayal of public trust. And also scary when I found
that I couldn't find anything to buy that wasn't made in China.
I make all my kitty's toys now, trying to only use safe components.
It's just as well, since she gets bored with the same toy after
awhile, and is always thrilled with whatever new thing I come up
with.
I hope someday soon parents and pet owners will rise up and stop this
toxic flood. I'll join in for sure.
Booted
Kelly Green
"hopitus" <hop...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 8, 9:59 am, "Kelly Green" <no-...@thisFAKE.net> wrote:
> We can't even buy safe toys for our pets now. >:-(
> http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20091207/consumer-group-zhu-zhu-p...
..........this really cute little snuggy for their beloved pet.
I was not going to bring this to a cat ng but have now had my say re
ZhuZhu Pets.
Apparently people are buying them for their pets. I've bought children's
toys in the past for my cats. I have two human-child toys for them now. :(
bastX...@sonic.net
>> On Dec 8, 9:59?am, "Kelly Green" <no-...@thisFAKE.net> wrote:
>> > We can't even buy safe toys for our pets now. ?>:-(
> Thank you for this notice. I stopped buying cat toys for my kitty
> after reading something bad about the stuffing (can't think of what it
> was exactly). All this toxic merchandise produced in the name of
> cheap retail goods (hello Walmart et al) that Americans supposedly
> want is such a betrayal of public trust. And also scary when I found
> that I couldn't find anything to buy that wasn't made in China.
I try not to buy stuff from China, but it's almost impossible, since
companies all around the world outsource various phases or components
of their production. So even if the company that sells the product is
not from China, some parts of the production are almost certainly done
there. It's very hard to trace back the entire trail of shipping and
importation - you practically need a private detective to get that
information for you. :)
As for the "betrayal of trust", we are not going to stop the toxic
flood unless people become willing to pay for well-made, safe products.
The only reason China is able to get away with what they do is because
there is WORLDWIDE DEMAND for cheap products. And the USA is a major
customer. I'm as angry as anyone else about poisoned pet food and
toothpaste and so on, but we need to look in the mirror, too. We're
used to being able to go to Walmart and pay low prices for consumer
goods. Nobody wants to give that up. So China's going to keep supplying
the cheap goods, and that means substituting substandard materials and
manufacturing processes for safer and more expensive ones. If we want
to change this situation, we have to make that demand with our MONEY.
> I hope someday soon parents and pet owners will rise up and stop this
> toxic flood. I'll join in for sure.
Joyce
--
Taxes: Money you complain about giving the government, to pay for
services whose absence you would complain about.
-- John O'Hanlon
boot
Dear Joyce,
I gave up going to Walmart a year or so ago. I don't think anyone has
noticed.
Sincerely,
A wandering shopper busily examining the tags and labels fruitlessly
searching for something made in USA, or even made in Mexico. (I found
something made in Australia the other day! It's mine, all mine!)
Jack Campin - bogus address
>
> http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20091207/consumer-group-zhu-zhu-pet-toys-are-unsafe?ecd=wnl_day_120809
Eh? That article says the group that found them unsafe didn't know what
they were doing. They got a shiny new piece of test equipment and didn't
know how to interpret what it was telling them.
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cybercat
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You're still an idiot.
cybercat
"Kelly Green" <fake...@fake.net> wrote in message
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>
P.S. Why are you changing your email address so that you can avoid kill
filters? ASShole?
Kelly Green
"boot" <caroll...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I gave up going to Walmart a year or so ago. I don't think anyone has
noticed.
~~~~~~~~~
It's not just Wal-Mart. Look in other stores and you'll see very few things
made here in the USA. As for cat toys and other goodies, I've gone to
K-Mart, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, SuperPets, PetsMart, Petco and more....
they all carry cheap crap made in China. No quality or safety controls are
in place that I could find.
Kelly Green
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>
> Geeze!!
>
And you know the article has WRONG information?
>
>
Kelly Green
I hope someday soon parents and pet owners will rise up and stop this
toxic flood. I'll join in for sure.
Booted
~~~~~~~~~~
Sadly, it's all about profit, powerful lobbyists.... and no one is watching
what's coming in from China. All we can do is fight back by not buying
anything coming from there.
G. Wendermen
"cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And you're still a mindless arrogant cunt. Fuck off and die.
cybercat
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Yeah, I'll get right on that.
BfloPolska
> Dear Joyce,
>
> I gave up going to Walmart a year or so ago. I don't think anyone has
> noticed.
>
> Sincerely,
> A wandering shopper busily examining the tags and labels fruitlessly
> searching for something made in USA, or even made in Mexico. (I found
From one exhausted shopper to another, look up the booty to be found
on Etsy.com. Much of it is made in the USA and is handmade. I think
there's a pet section too.
Blessed be,
Baha
who tries not to buy made-in-China either
Bill Graham
for one purpose or another that might be unsafe if ingested. It is the
responsibility of adults and supervisors of children and pets to keep
dangerous items out of the hands of those who do not know how to use them.
Dogs and children are prone to put small items in their mouths, so if an
item is dangerous to ingest for any reason, it shouldn't be available to
those who might misuse it. It is very impracticle to try to keep all such
items off the market.....Many are very useful and I might need to use them,
so I want them available to me. This comes under the same category as you
putting tooth medicine in my drinking water, so I will have to drink your
child's medicine. If I need a dangerous chemical in order to do my job, or
pursue my hobby, well, why should I give that up just because some idiot
kills himself with it, or buys it and leaves it where some innocent child or
pet kills themselves with it? In other words, I will buy the toy hamsters
and supervise their use for my own kids and pets, and I don't care whether
they contain antimony or not. My kids and pets will not eat them, because I
won't let them, any more than I will let them drink my gasoline that I keep
for my lawn mower. IOW, keep the liberals out of my face, and just let me
live my life. If some other idiot kills his kids by letting them
poison/injure themselves, well, maybe that's what "survival of the fittest"
is all about. To adopt the other philosophy is to ultimately herd everyone
into a padded cell to protect themselves from each other. I don't want to
live like that, even if the insurance companies of the world would like me
to live like that and are busy lobbying my senators to make it so. I would
like my government to monitor what is dangerous and what is not for me, and
tell me what foods contain what, because I can't tell this by myself. But
beyond that, I just want them to keep out of my face.
Bill Graham
"BfloPolska" <bflop...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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China, like Japan back in the 50's is gradually putting out better and
better stuff. Pretty soon they will have the equivalent of Sony, Yamaha,
Subaru and Mitsubishi and the other fine Japanese corporations that grew out
of a basically medieval economy. In the meantime, I will try to give them
what business I can. If the liberals are spending us into the poorhouse,
that is not China's fault. Our capitalistic system has survived the
emergence of many other economies, and we will survive China and India too.
That's cause, "We are the man!"
Kelly Green
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
> My take on this is as follows. There are lots of small items that are sold
> for one purpose or another that might be unsafe if ingested.
And I'm sure they're not sold as toys for children and pets who mouth most
things they play with.
It is the
> responsibility of adults and supervisors of children and pets to keep
> dangerous items out of the hands of those who do not know how to use them.
Are you talking about TOYS meant to be played with, knowing most children
and pets mouth almost everything?
> Dogs and children are prone to put small items in their mouths, so if an
> item is dangerous to ingest for any reason, it shouldn't be available to
> those who might misuse it. It is very impracticle to try to keep all such
> items off the market.....
I agree with the exception of TOYS meant to be played with by children and
pets. These should be as safe as possible for obvious reasons.
Many are very useful and I might need to use them,
> so I want them available to me. This comes under the same category as you
> putting tooth medicine in my drinking water, so I will have to drink your
> child's medicine. If I need a dangerous chemical in order to do my job, or
> pursue my hobby, well, why should I give that up just because some idiot
> kills himself with it, or buys it and leaves it where some innocent child
> or pet kills themselves with it? In other words, I will buy the toy
> hamsters and supervise their use for my own kids and pets, .........
I see. You'll sit there every time they play with the toys and snatch them
from their hands or paws the minute they put said toxic toys in their
mouths. Let's not forget washing their hands and paws after playing with
said toys. Why go through all that when SAFE toys can easily be made?
and I don't care whether
> they contain antimony or not. My kids and pets will not eat them, because
> I won't let them, any more than I will let them drink my gasoline that I
> keep for my lawn mower. IOW, keep the liberals out of my face, and just
> let me live my life. If some other idiot kills his kids by letting them
> poison/injure themselves, well, maybe that's what "survival of the
> fittest" is all about.
Really? So then why don't you lobby to get rid of all laws protecting the
consumer? Get rid of seat belts in cars. Get rid of testing meat for deadly
bacteria. Get rid of testing bridges for stress fractures........
To adopt the other philosophy is to ultimately herd everyone
> into a padded cell to protect themselves from each other. I don't want to
> live like that, even if the insurance companies of the world would like me
> to live like that and are busy lobbying my senators to make it so.
You and your conservative friends can lobby to do away with all safety
features in the food industry, the aeronautic industry, the automotive
industry, the toy and child furniture industry.....
I would
> like my government to monitor what is dangerous and what is not for me,
> and tell me what foods contain what, because I can't tell this by myself.
> But beyond that, I just want them to keep out of my face.
You just said you wanted to be left ignorant of things like toxic heavy
metals in toys which children and pets play with and mouth... make up your
mind. ;-)
Kelly Green
> prematurely and with bad info.
>
>
I'll take your word for it since it was not all over the news where I live.
>
Bill Graham
understanding it. A toy for a 5 year old may not be appropriate for a two
year old, This is not the manufacturers responsibility. It is your
responsibility to not let your kids or pets have that which can harm them,
and all the government should do is let us know what is in the chemicals we
buy so we will know what not to do with them unless we decide to commit
suicide, in which case, we should have at it. I am a libertarian. and I do
not care how many people kill themselves... More air and water for those of
us who are left. The government agency that is supposed to protect us from
this kind of thing does virtually nothing. (except, of course, spend out tax
dollars) I would eliminate them along with about 90% of the rest of
government.....Sorry about that, but 74 years of living with you libs have
convinced me of the above opinion.
Kelly Green
> My position is clear. I stated it well. You should have no trouble
> understanding it. A toy for a 5 year old may not be appropriate for a two
> year old, This is not the manufacturers responsibility. It is your
> responsibility to not let your kids or pets have that which can harm them,
> and all the government should do is let us know what is in the chemicals
> we buy so we will know what not to do with them unless we decide to commit
> suicide, in which case, we should have at it. I am a libertarian. and I do
> not care how many people kill themselves... More air and water for those
> of us who are left. The government agency that is supposed to protect us
> from this kind of thing does virtually nothing. (except, of course, spend
> out tax dollars) I would eliminate them along with about 90% of the rest
> of government.....Sorry about that, but 74 years of living with you libs
> have convinced me of the above opinion.
>>>> FLUSH! <<<<
Bill Graham
screwed with my toilet so it jams up at the slightest excuse......I used to
have one that only took one flush of about 3 gallons of water. Now, they all
flush with 1.6 gallons, but the problem is, I have to flush them at least
three times per use, and sometimes as much as six times per use.....this is
not any saving of water, but that don't make no never mind to you stupid
liberals, now does it? Much the same thing is true of my shower head.....I
still use the same amount of water to shower, only now it takes 20 minutes
instead of 10 minutes.....So, instead of saving water, all my shower head
does is waste my time.....Yes.....I have many things to thank the stupid
liberals for.....NOT!
G. Wendermen
That's because you're so full of shit.
Matthew
Magic Mood Jeep
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That's a matter of opinion - but I do believe what he's said about the
low-flow toilets....
Matthew
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The toilets yes the rest of the stuff is crap
Magic Mood Jeep
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And IIRC, so do a lot of others, as this was one of the main plots in an old
episode of "King of the Hill" - they solved their problem by going to Canada
to buy an "illegal" non low-flow toilet...
Bill Graham
Yes, that's very humorous, until you multiply 1.6 by 4 (average) by over 200
million, and find out how many gallons of fresh water are wasted in this
country every day, and then multiply by 365 to get the amount wasted every
year.....I have 4 toilets in my house, and they were installed in the middle
70's when the house was new, They are all still in operation, so I think
there are millions of houses in this country that still are using the same
old style toilets that can't flush well enough on only 1.6 gallons of water,
and require several flushes with every use.....This is a terrible waste of
water, and so unnecessary. It is because people don't think through problems
well enough before they make laws that are ill conceived.
Bill Graham
"Magic Mood Jeep" <nu...@biizniz.not> wrote in message
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They do make more modern toilets that can flush with 1.6 gallons of water
and are much less likely to jam up, but these are expensive, and I have 4 of
the old style types in my house. It would cost me too much to change them
all. I will probably change out a couple of them next year.....
Bill Graham
"Magic Mood Jeep" <nu...@biizniz.not> wrote in message
That was one option I considered about 12 years ago when I bought this
house. I did solve the shower head problem by removing the restricter inside
the shower heads, and drilling out the "needle holes" with a slightly larger
drill bit......I only wish it was as easy to fix the toilet
problem......With the Canadian toilet, I would have to smuggle it back in
this country across the border.....A toilet is pretty big.....I'm not sure
I could do that easily.....
dgk
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>>>>>>>>>> FLUSH! <<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry.....It takes at least two flushes. That's because you libs have
>>>>> screwed with my toilet so it jams up at the slightest excuse......I
>>>>> used to have one that only took one flush of about 3 gallons of water.
>>>>> Now, they all flush with 1.6 gallons, but the problem is, I have to
>>>>> flush them at least three times per use, and sometimes as much as six
>>>>> times per use.....
>>>>
>>>> That's because you're so full of shit.
>>>>
>>> LOL that is so true about him
>>>
>>
>> That's a matter of opinion - but I do believe what he's said about the
>> low-flow toilets....
>
>And IIRC, so do a lot of others, as this was one of the main plots in an old
>episode of "King of the Hill" - they solved their problem by going to Canada
>to buy an "illegal" non low-flow toilet...
I have two low-flow toilets. I never have to flush more than once.
Maybe you shouldn't buy the cheapest one.
Bill Graham
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It isn't the price, but the year they were made.....The newer ones flush
fine, but it took them several years to find a design that worked.....the
ones made back in the 70's didn't flush worth a damn.
dgk
wrote:
I read a rating on that once - they used various densities of "stuff"
to determine how well a toilet works on floating stuff versus sinking
stuff.
It's also possible that plumbing plays a role - these seem to flush
much faster than the old ones. Maybe if the plumbing can't take it all
at once it doesn't work as well. Probably a better subject for a home
repair newsgroup though.
Bill Graham
Yes. Unless you can teach your cats to use the toilet.....I have seen cats
who could do just that.....but they usually don't flush it afterward......
Lesley
>
> It isn't the price, but the year they were made.....The newer ones flush
> fine, but it took them several years to find a design that worked.....the
> ones made back in the 70's didn't flush worth a damn.-
We had low flush toilets fitted in 2007 and they don't seem to block
as much as the older one from 1985 did. They look like they're about
the block quite often- you pull the lever and the water seems to rise
a lot more than it should then suddenly whatever is causing the block
sucumbs to the back pressure and they clear instantly. Having said
that I am not keen on them- they're smaller than the old one and not
so comfortable for those times when you need to sit on them for a
while!
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Bill Graham
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Lesley
Well, when I think of all the water I have had to waste flushing like 4
times or more at 1.6 gallons a whack for the last 35 years or so, and the
ridiculous excuse: "It saves water".......(It makes me want to install an
outhouse in my back yard...:^) And every time I buy and install a new
shower head, I have to modify it in order to be able to rinse the soap off
in less than 20 minutes.....It's things like this that make me want to get
the government off my back.....I am sick of their, "padded cell laws" too.
(Like helmet and seat belt laws) They are obviously in the pockets of the
insurance companies. I believe people should have the right to kill
themselves.....Its my life. I should be allowed to do with it whatever I
please. There are some people who are only happy when they are in free fall.
So, let them live that way. If they die, well, so much more air and water
for the rest of us. Preventing them from hurting themselves is, "No my yob,
mon...." I just want Obama and his insurance companies to keep themselves
out of my personal life.
dgk
wrote:
On the other hand I've heard of cats that don't use the toilet but do
like flushing them. Now if only we could get them in the same house.
Bill Graham
Yes....therein lies the danger of teaching your cat to flush.....He may run
your water bill through the roof. I can teach my cats to open the sliding
screen
door when they want to go out, too, but I can't teach them to close it
behind them.....