Yogurt: how much?
McGeary
about six weeks ago (she was on wet food for a week after the surgery,
which I thought was causing the change from her normally solid stools,
but when we switched her back to Science Diet kibble the problem didn't
go away). I traded voice mail with our vet yesterday and she thinks
that the post-surgery antibiotics might have thrown Franny's digestive
flora out of whack. She suggested feeding her some yogurt with active
cultures each day to see if that helps. I just gave Franny a couple of
tablespoons of yogurt and she practically inhaled it -- I'm wondering
how much yogurt to feed her daily.
Has anybody used yogurt for this problem, and if so, how much did you
feed your cat? (Franny's quite small -- about 5 3/4 pounds, if that
makes any difference in the "dosage.") If the yogurt doesn't seem to
help, I'll take her to an internist at the University of Minnesota vet
hospital, but I figured I'd check here for any experiences. Thanks!
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Darnit7
>My cat, Franny, has had very soft stools since having dental surgery
>about six weeks ago (she was on wet food for a week after the surgery,
>which I thought was causing the change from her normally solid stools,
>but when we switched her back to Science Diet kibble the problem didn't
>go away). I traded voice mail with our vet yesterday and she thinks
>that the post-surgery antibiotics might have thrown Franny's digestive
>flora out of whack. She suggested feeding her some yogurt with active
>cultures each day to see if that helps. I just gave Franny a couple of
>tablespoons of yogurt and she practically inhaled it -- I'm wondering
>how much yogurt to feed her daily.
I think 2 tablespoons is about right. They also make probiotics in powder form
that you can add to food that has the acidopholus in it. But as long as Franny
likes the yogurt, I think I would stick with that. My only suggestion would be
to get her off the Science Diet and to a better food. Was Science Diet her
food before the dental? Maybe that's what's causing the loose stool as well as
the antibiotic.
If you do decide to switch her to a better food, here's a list of some of the
premium brands:
Abady
Nutravet
201 Smith Street
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
914-473-1900
California Natural
Natural Pet Products
1171 Homestead Road #275
Santa Clara, CA 95050
800-532-7261
Carnivore Connection
Rose Estes
847 Madison
Lake Geneva, WI 53147
414-248-9256
Flint River Ranch
1243 Columbia Ave, B6
Riverside, CA 92507
909-682-5048
Fax: 909-682-5057
Fromm
Fromm Family Foods
PO Box 365
Mequon, WI 53092
800-325-6331
Innova
Natural Pet Products
1171 Homestead Road #275
Santa Clara, CA 95050
800-532-7261
Natural Life
1601 West McKay
Frontenac, KS 66763
800-367-2391
Natures Recipe
341 Bonnie Circle
Corona, CA 91720
800-843-4008
Nutro Natural Choice
Nutro Products
445 Wilson Way
City of Industry, CA 91744
818-968-0532
Pet Guard
The Pet Guard Co
PO Box 728
Orange Park, FL 32067
800-874-3221
PHD
PHD Products, Inc
404 Irvington Street
Pleasantville, NY 10570
800-863-3403
Email: bon...@phdproducts.net
PHD Home Page: http://phdproducts.net
Precise
PO Box 630009
Nacogdoches, TX 75963
800-446-7148
Precise Home Page: http://www.precisepet.com/
Sensible Choice
Pet Products Plus
5600 Mexico Road
St Peters, MO 63376
800-592-6687
Sojourner Farms
11355 Excelsior Blvd
Hopkins, MN 55343
Dog: 800-767-6567 Cat: 888-867-6567
ma...@sojos.com
Email: Sojourner Home Page: http://www.sojos.com/
Solid Gold Health Products for Pets, Inc
1483 North Cuyamaca
El Cajon, CA 92020
1-619-258-1914 (or 258-5929 or 258-2780)
Fax: 1-619-258-3907
1-800-364-4863
Email: da...@solidgoldhealth.com
Solid Gold Home Page: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com
Wysong
1880 N Eastman
Midland, MI 48640
800-748-0233
517-631-0009
Hope this helps,
Lauren
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Martini
Apparently 1 teaspoon in the morning and then 1 in the evening should
solve the problem. You can also cook a chicken leg in water (very
little water, just enough to cover the leg) and afterwards, give the
water the chicken leg has been cooked in, to the cat (of course, only
after it cooled). Cottage cheese should be fine as well (1 tablespoon,
2-3 times a day, along with some cooked chicken meat). Good luck.#
Marta
Kelly
in the stomach (unless the bacteria is mutant and acid resistant). So I
doubt yogurt will even help your cats problem. The microbial activity in
her colon will have to rejuvenate on its own.
Phone your vet and question her about how exactly the bacteria actually make
it to the colon.
Kelly
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Darnit7
>From my biology knowledge, bacteria that is ingested is killed by the acids
>in the stomach (unless the bacteria is mutant and acid resistant). So I
>doubt yogurt will even help your cats problem.
"Yogurt: many cats like plain yogurt and, like milk, it is an excellent source
of calcium and phosphorus. Unlike milk, yogurt is one-step removed from fresh.
It has already been consumed by a bacterium, and is therefore partially
digested. This makes it very easy for cats and people to finish digesting.
Being sensitive to terms like "digested," the dairy industry calls yogurt a
"cultured" product."
" Some dairy products to avoid feeding your cat are milk, cheese, butter,
margarine, eggs and ice cream. An acidopholus-enriched milk, available at most
large supermarkets, can often be consumed by cats that cannot tolerate normal
milk. Acidopholus is the bacterium that lives within the intestine and produces
the enzyme that breaks down lactose. Acidopholus- enriched milk carries its own
acidopholus culture with it. Additionally, yogurt is a healthy dairy treat
because it contains an excellent source of calcium and phosphorus. Unlike milk,
yogurt has already been consumed by a bacterium, and is therefore partially
digested. This makes it easier for cats to finish digesting."
Priscilla Ballou
: From my biology knowledge, bacteria that is ingested is killed by the acids
: in the stomach (unless the bacteria is mutant and acid resistant). So I
: doubt yogurt will even help your cats problem. The microbial activity in
: her colon will have to rejuvenate on its own.
It works for people. Why would it not work for cats?
: Phone your vet and question her about how exactly the bacteria actually make
: it to the colon.
Priscilla, very familiar for yoghurt for antibiotic-sickness
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- Goethe
Priscilla Ballou
:>From: "Kelly" tige...@hotmail.com
I don't think any of this responds to Kelly's statement. She wasn't
saying yoghurt is indigestible, she was saying the acidopholus wouldn't
survive passage through the stomach and get to the intestine to replenish
the flora in the gut.
Priscilla
Kelly
"Priscilla Ballou" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Kelly <tige...@hotmail.com> quoth:
> : From my biology knowledge, bacteria that is ingested is killed by the
acids
> : in the stomach (unless the bacteria is mutant and acid resistant). So I
> : doubt yogurt will even help your cats problem. The microbial activity
in
> : her colon will have to rejuvenate on its own.
>
> It works for people. Why would it not work for cats?
Are the bacterium not destroyed in the human stomach? I don't see how any
bacteria could survive the hydrochloric acid in the human stomach.
Kelly
Darnit7
>I don't think any of this responds to Kelly's statement. She wasn't
>saying yoghurt is indigestible, she was saying the acidopholus wouldn't
>survive passage through the stomach and get to the intestine to replenish
>the flora in the gut.
Well yes that's possibly true. There is a fiber, FOS (fructo-oligosaccharide)
that cats can ferment. When bacteria eat something it is called "fermenting".
But basically FOS is food for the good bacteria and they turn it into vitamins
for the cat to absorb, as well as changing the pH of the gut to prevent
formation of nasty acids that are made by bad bacteria and which damage the gut
lining.
You can buy FOS at healthfood stores. It is sometimes referred to as a
pre-biotic and is necessary to healthy gut bacteria growth. So as to yogurt,
you can give it, but it will neither grow nor make vitamins in the gut, unless
it has food to eat - the FOS.
Cathy Friedmann
effectiveness of the active yogurt cultures/acidophilus - re: intestine.
Cathy
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Kelly
"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> That was my impression, too. Digestibility wasn't at issue, but rather
the
> effectiveness of the active yogurt cultures/acidophilus - re: intestine.
The post from the OP made me think that the vet recommended the yogurt to
replenish the "out of whack flora" in the cats colon. I was just commenting
that I didn't see how this was possible, seeing as how non-mutant bacteria
are destroyed in the stomach (as far as my knowledge goes).
Kelly
Cathy Friedmann
out-of-whack flora/yeast infections, too; or to take an acidophilus
supplement. But I have no idea what stomach acid does to the acidophilus on
its way through the digestive system - of either human or feline.
Cathy
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MGW
wrote:
>Are the bacterium not destroyed in the human stomach? I don't see how any
>bacteria could survive the hydrochloric acid in the human stomach.
Bacteria survive all sorts of places that are even more inhospitable
than the stomach. We have bacteria that live in our stomachs and help
with digestion.
MGW
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McGeary
to let you know if the yogurt does the trick for Franny.
To answer Kelly's question, two of the beneficial bacteria in yogurt
are not affected by stomach acid. Here's some info from the American
Institute for Cancer Research:
> While the two primary bacteria in yogurt starter cultures are killed by
> our stomach acid, researchers are now looking closely at two other
> bacteria, lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobacterium, which are not.
> Acidophilus and bifidobacterium can often be helpful in restoring a
> healthy balance of bacteria in the intestinal tract after diarrhea or
> when antibiotic medications knock out the "good" bacteria there as well
> as the bad. Some studies have shown that women who are prone to vaginal
> yeast infections may be helped by acidophilus-containing yogurt.
. . .
> When shopping for yogurt, remember that certification of live active
> cultures does not necessarily mean acidophilus or bifido. If you are
> looking for their particular benefits, look for a package that names
> them specifically. If you don't find enough selections in your grocery
> store, you could check a health food store.
In article <4DQl8.4092$oG11...@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Kelly
bacteria, this answers my unsureness on this matter.
Kelly
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Priscilla Ballou
: On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:32:15 GMT, "Kelly" <tige...@hotmail.com>
: wrote:
:>Are the bacterium not destroyed in the human stomach? I don't see how any
:>bacteria could survive the hydrochloric acid in the human stomach.
: Bacteria survive all sorts of places that are even more inhospitable
: than the stomach. We have bacteria that live in our stomachs and help
: with digestion.
Also, the bacterium which causes stomach ulcers can survive there. That's
why it took so long to discover it -- the scientists assumed that no
bacteria could survive there. Helicobactor pylori?
Priscilla
Darnit7
>> When shopping for yogurt, remember that certification of live active
>> cultures does not necessarily mean acidophilus or bifido. If you are
>> looking for their particular benefits, look for a package that names
>> them specifically. If you don't find enough selections in your grocery
>> store, you could check a health food store.
Coincidentally, I'm having yogurt for lunch. It's called Horizon Organic and
it does list acidophilus, bifidus, thermophilus, bulguricus, and casei
(whatever all that is, LOL).
catgrrl
"Darnit7" <dar...@aol.comnolitter> wrote in message
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> >From: McGeary mcg...@ixnay.amspay.com
>
> >> When shopping for yogurt, remember that certification of live active
> >> cultures does not necessarily mean acidophilus or bifido. If you are
> >> looking for their particular benefits, look for a package that names
> >> them specifically. If you don't find enough selections in your grocery
> >> store, you could check a health food store.
>
> Coincidentally, I'm having yogurt for lunch. It's called Horizon Organic
and
> it does list acidophilus, bifidus, thermophilus, bulguricus, and casei
> (whatever all that is, LOL).
>
> Lauren
>
Those are the species of bacteria, Lauren. Thermophilus is a "hot spring"
bacterium, if I
recall correctly. Casein is the protein in milk, so I assume "casei" has to
do with that.
Acidophilus is the familiar buttermilk and yogurt species (probably so named
because
it lives in acidic environments "philus" = "love" , so this is "acid-lover"
bacterium, and thermophilus
is "heat-lover" bacterium). I haven't heard of bulguricus before.
cheers
Shelly
Darnit7
>> Coincidentally, I'm having yogurt for lunch. It's called Horizon Organic
>and
>> it does list acidophilus, bifidus, thermophilus, bulguricus, and casei
>> (whatever all that is, LOL).
>>
>> Lauren
>>
>
>Those are the species of bacteria, Lauren. Thermophilus is a "hot spring"
>bacterium, if I
>recall correctly. Casein is the protein in milk, so I assume "casei" has to
>do with that.
>Acidophilus is the familiar buttermilk and yogurt species (probably so named
>because
>it lives in acidic environments "philus" = "love" , so this is "acid-lover"
>bacterium, and thermophilus
>is "heat-lover" bacterium). I haven't heard of bulguricus before.
Thanks, Shelly! Very interesting.