What color is your cat?
Ray Stark
http://www.catscans.com/tortie.htm
It was very informative, but it had one flaw: no pictures to
illustrate the colors. I am not sure what a fawn, cream, cinnamon,
lilac/lavender cat looks like.
I was also confused about the distinction b/c tortoishell + white with
a calico. According to this site, a cat with black and orange mixed
together + white is NOT a calico, it's a tortie + white. This means
all this time I've been calling Dee a calico, she's been a tortie +
white. Apparently a calico will have distinct, separate black and red
patches. I quote:
>>With a calico, there is a significant amount of white, and the two
colors
are broken up into distinct patches. This has to do with the
interaction of
white spotting.
With a tortoiseshell, the three colors are blended and don't form
distinct
patches. A tortoiseshell may have significant portions of white as
well, but
the remaining colors are blended (this particular pattern is called a
tortoiseshell and white). <<
I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
illustrates these colors?
What do you think? Has anyone else been mischaracterizing their cats'
colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
Thanks,
Ray
J1Boss
>colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
>
>Thanks,
>Ray
LOL! I had some people insist that Mitze, my dilute tortie with white
(blue/cream tortie w/white) was not a tortoiseshell. They insisted that
torties never have white and are always black/orange. That's what Carey is - a
classic. Robie was a classic orange(red) tabby. They looked like so many
other cats out there - not exactly rare! ;-D
Skipjack is a blue tabby with white. his stripes are white and he's a really
beautiful cat (he's 1 now!). He's a tank though! He does have some clight
touches of cream around the edges.
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=j1boss
Janet Boss
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kaeli
enlightened us with <fd5a7ba7.02091...@posting.google.com>...
> I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
> fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
> illustrates these colors?
>
> What do you think? Has anyone else been mischaracterizing their cats'
> colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
>
> Thanks,
> Ray
>
Yeah, I have been recently corrected as to my kitties' colors.
See my sig below for pics.
Isis is a dilute tortoiseshell (grey/cream/tan) and Rowan is a torbie
(tabby markings/tortie color). Jeffrey is a typical orange tabby.
--
~kaeli~
Visit me at http://home.att.net/~infinite.possibilities
Patch
"Ray Stark" <ray-...@excite.com> wrote in message news
<snip>
> I was also confused about the distinction b/c tortoishell + white with
> a calico. According to this site, a cat with black and orange mixed
> together + white is NOT a calico, it's a tortie + white.
Just Tortie ]Tortoiseshell], at least in UK anyway :-)
I dont know anyone in UK who calls a Tortie a "Calico".
This means
> all this time I've been calling Dee a calico, she's been a tortie +
> white.
Tortie.
>Apparently a calico will have distinct, separate black and red
> patches. I quote:
>
> >>With a calico, there is a significant amount of white, and the two
> colors
> are broken up into distinct patches. This has to do with the
> interaction of
> white spotting.
Or in UK, a Tortie is a Tortie [there are varieties of Tortie shades but we
dont say Tortie and white for example].
>
> With a tortoiseshell, the three colors are blended and don't form
> distinct
> patches.
Not correct.
A tortoiseshell may have significant portions of white as
> well, but
> the remaining colors are blended (this particular pattern is called a
> tortoiseshell and white). <<
Nope, its just called Tortie !!
This url will take you to a piccy of several of my crew including four of my
five Torties. Two are Brindle Torties [dark shades and no white areas at
all]
One is a Ginger Tortie [ ginger and "muted" black predominant]
One is ginger, black and white.
In basic terms, they are all Tortie.
>
> I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
> fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
> illustrates these colors?
Like a sort of " sun bleached" or very pale/sandy type ginger ?
If that sounds accurate, the colour is Champagne.
>
> What do you think? Has anyone else been mischaracterizing their cats'
> colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
Lol, it depends which country one is in I think, hence the US has Calico`s,
the UK has plain ol` Torties :-)
Patch
Patch
"Ray Stark" <ray-...@excite.com> wrote in message news
<snip>
> I was also confused about the distinction b/c tortoishell + white with
> a calico. According to this site, a cat with black and orange mixed
> together + white is NOT a calico, it's a tortie + white.
Just Tortie ]Tortoiseshell], at least in UK anyway :-)
I don't know anyone in UK who calls a Tortie a "Calico".
This means
> all this time I've been calling Dee a calico, she's been a tortie +
> white.
Tortie.
>Apparently a calico will have distinct, separate black and red
> patches. I quote:
>
> >>With a calico, there is a significant amount of white, and the two
> colors
> are broken up into distinct patches. This has to do with the
> interaction of
> white spotting.
Or in UK, a Tortie is a Tortie [there are varieties of Tortie shades but we
dont say Tortie and white for example].
>
> With a tortoiseshell, the three colors are blended and don't form
> distinct
> patches.
Not correct.
A tortoiseshell may have significant portions of white as
> well, but
> the remaining colors are blended (this particular pattern is called a
> tortoiseshell and white). <<
Nope, its just called Tortie !!
This url [below] will take you to a piccy of several of my crew including
four of my
five Torties.
Sheba and Duchess are Brindle Torties [dark shades and no white areas at
all]
Cleo is a Ginger Tortie [ ginger and "muted" black predominant]
Cheyenne is ginger, black and white.
In basic terms, they are all Tortie.
http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/johnward/patch/index.html
>
> I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
> fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
> illustrates these colors?
Like a sort of " sun bleached" or very pale/sandy type ginger ?
If that sounds accurate, the colour is Champagne.
>
> What do you think? Has anyone else been mischaracterizing their cats'
> colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
Lol, it depends which country one is in I think, hence the US has Calico`s,
J1Boss
tortie w/white, just that, here's another site with color definitions:
http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/colors.html
Patch
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Besides finding several UK sites which DO call calico cats calico, as well
as
> tortie w/white, just that,
I want talking about sites Janet, I was talking about * real people* in UK,
ordinary everyday people with feline companions, not breeders, not those who
do the show circuit, just ordinary everyday people who dont feel the need to
latch on to fancy colour names for their mogs.
Pet owners/guardians in UK dont say calico, we say Tortie.
IME, only snobs [that I have met] like to come up with some colour
description to make their [unpapered...] "Pedigree" [IOW their moggies....]
sound more "exotic".
Calico is a valid US colour description and I daresay some UKers might use
it if they see it on the net or in a US originated book to make their cat
sound "fancier" but the plain fact is, "Calico" in UK is Tortie, end of
story.
But of course Janet, had anyone else said what I said, you would have either
ignored or agreed with it.
Ho hum.
>here's another site with color definitions:
>
> http://www.fanciers.com/other-faqs/colors.html
According to which ;
US definitions for Cheyenne ;
Patterned calico/patched tabby and white/calico tabby.
UK definition ;
Tortie
Sheba and Duchess, US definitions ;
Brown patched tabby/Torbie
UK ; Brindle Tortie
Cleo, US definitions;
???
UK; Tortie.
If I were a snob [by UK definition], I could call Oscar a Harlequin to make
him sound "posh".
As I am not a snob, and he is a moggy, he is a "white with splodges".
To everyone else I know, he is also a "white with splodges".
Note on the [US] site you gave, the UK is quoted as calling a "classic
tabby" "blotched".
Funny but I have never heard any Brit calling a tabby "blotched" as a colour
definition. As a pattern description [blotchy] perhaps but not to define a
set colour.
"Striped" or "spotty" tabby suffices.
Usually though, its just tabby without bothering to refer to spots or
stripes anyway <shrug>.
Nor do we say "tuxedo", we say black and white unless the white predominates
then its........wait for it........white and black.
Patch
Cathy Friedmann
colorations/patterns?? I have a British friend, who has a calico (who's
very distinctly calico - solid & separate patches of black & "red", with
more white than either the black or red) & she used to have a beloved tortie
(intermingled black & "red"/brown with no white). For some reason, I
thought she did refer to the calico as such... but maybe I'm wrong.
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
"Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Ray Stark
has stripey patterns in her black and red areas-- does that mean she's
torbie? How distinct do the stripes have to be to be considered
torbie?
And I still can't figure out what cream v. fawn v. cinnamon is.
Anyone have pix of their kitty the illustrates these qualities?
Thanks,
Ray
Donna Metler
tabbies.
Tigger is a brown mackerel tabby-she's the most tabby looking of my cats.
Peaches is a dilute torbie-a really pretty kitty.
DC is my mafia cat-he's a grey tabby tuxedo-white shirt front, white paws,
then a striped coat around it-I think he looks like he's wearing a
pinstriped suit. Very dignified looking cat, until he starts chasing his
tail, rolls off of something, gets a claw caught in the carpet, etc.
Shy is almost solid grey, but has darker grey stripes on her tail, head, and
paws. I consider her a tabby, but you have to look at her pretty closely to
see the striping, because it is almost the same color as her base coat. It
is more texture than anything else.
Smoke was a dark blue-grey cat (hence the name), with stripes which only
appeared when he was in the sun. I have one photo of him where the striping
is obvious, and many where he just was a solid colored cat, with really
thick, soft fur.
One of my neighbors has a black on black longhaired tabby-again, it almost
seems like the stripes are longer than her base fur. A really pretty kitty.
There is also a really cute kitten in the area who has a base coat so light
it is almost white, but very BLACK tabby stripes. -kind of like a little
white tiger.
kaeli
> has stripey patterns in her black and red areas-- does that mean she's
> torbie? How distinct do the stripes have to be to be considered
> torbie?
>
You know, I think it depends on who you ask. :)
My girl has very distinct stripes, but her colors between the black
stripes vary like a Tortie.
<opinion whose="mine" type="subjective">
Honestly, I don't think there is one definitive absolute for non-pedigree
cats, as they vary so much.
Standards are made for breeders and shows, and pedigreed cats are pretty
consistent with colour patterns. It's our mutts that get complicated. LOL
We have to try to match them to the colours outlined for pedigreed cats
when sometimes, they just don't quite fit any standard.
</opinion>
*BG*
> And I still can't figure out what cream v. fawn v. cinnamon is.
> Anyone have pix of their kitty the illustrates these qualities?
>
Cream is a light tan. Very light, almost white.
Fawn is a light tan, towards tan as opposed to towards white.
Cinnamon is a darker tan with red tones.
See the bottom of this page for swatches of color to see what they look
like. It's for the siamese, but it's pretty applicable to all breeds,
IMO.
http://www.cat-world.com/cat-worldsiamesegenetics.htm
If you want to see the cats, look at your local pet store or library for
a book from Cat Facnciers' Association or another breed standards book.
They'll have some nice pics.
Here is their official guide to colors online; very descriptive, but no
pics.
http://www.cfainc.org/articles/hints-color.html
Patch
"Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> IOW, people in the UK don't differentiate between calico & tortie
> colorations/patterns??
No, not unless they have come across it on the net and feel its a more
"exotic" sounding colour. To most Brits, Calico is a material for summer
dresses or shirts - hows that for a sweeping statement !! ;-)
I have a British friend, who has a calico (who's
> very distinctly calico - solid & separate patches of black & "red", with
> more white than either the black or red) & she used to have a beloved
tortie
> (intermingled black & "red"/brown with no white). For some reason, I
> thought she did refer to the calico as such... but maybe I'm wrong.
P`raps she just thought it was easiest to use the US term for descriptive
purposes when talking to Americans ?
Most UK people would probably say "what colour is that then ? Oh, you mean a
tortie !" :-)
Patch
Yngver
>>
>> I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
>> fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
>> illustrates these colors?
>
>Like a sort of " sun bleached" or very pale/sandy type ginger ?
>If that sounds accurate, the colour is Champagne.
>
In the U.S., what you call ginger is usually called red or orange. Dilute
orange is cream, so in the U.S., that beige-colored kitten is cream. We have a
cat that is dilute tortie, which is called blue cream, and her brother is solid
cream. He had slight tabby markings when a kittten, but he outgrew them.
Ray Stark
> > I was also confused about the distinction b/c tortoishell + white with
> > a calico. According to this site, a cat with black and orange mixed
> > together + white is NOT a calico, it's a tortie + white.
>
> Just Tortie ]Tortoiseshell], at least in UK anyway :-)
> I dont know anyone in UK who calls a Tortie a "Calico".
Well, there ARE cats who are calicos. I was under the mistaken
impression that if a tortie had white, then it was a calico. This is
not so.
> This means
> > all this time I've been calling Dee a calico, she's been a tortie +
> > white.
>
> Tortie.
So you insist.
> >Apparently a calico will have distinct, separate black and red
> > patches. I quote:
> >
> > >>With a calico, there is a significant amount of white, and the two
> > colors
> > are broken up into distinct patches. This has to do with the
> > interaction of
> > white spotting.
>
> Or in UK, a Tortie is a Tortie [there are varieties of Tortie shades but we
> dont say Tortie and white for example].
Apparently whomever created that Catscans website believes there IS a
pattern called "tortie and white." I'm going by that b/c it's more
accurate a descriptor.
>
> >
> > With a tortoiseshell, the three colors are blended and don't form
> > distinct
> > patches.
>
> Not correct.
In what respect not correct? My Dee has areas that are more red or
black, but not in distinct patches, as the website indicates. I have
seen cats with patches and Dee's not like that. Therefore, she is not
a calico.
> A tortoiseshell may have significant portions of white as
> > well, but
> > the remaining colors are blended (this particular pattern is called a
> > tortoiseshell and white). <<
>
> Nope, its just called Tortie !!
Take it up with the people who wrote that website, then.
> > I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
> > fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
> > illustrates these colors?
>
> Like a sort of " sun bleached" or very pale/sandy type ginger ?
> If that sounds accurate, the colour is Champagne.
I think he's cream, based on the color swatchs someone posted.
Ray
Ray Stark
> IME, only snobs [that I have met] like to come up with some colour
> description to make their [unpapered...] "Pedigree" [IOW their moggies....]
> sound more "exotic".
Well now. I hope this isn't directed at me in any way, b/c I am not a
snob. all my cats were street urchins and none are remotely pedigree.
However, I do like to be able to describe the colors of my cats
accurately. It interests me, as most things relating to them do. I
think you're making a gross generalization when you say that anyone
who is interested in cat colors is a snob or trying to pump up their
cat to sound more exotic.
> If I were a snob [by UK definition], I could call Oscar a Harlequin to make
> him sound "posh".
Or b/c you like the sound of it. Don't think it's a character flaw to
use the word Harlequin.
> Nor do we say "tuxedo", we say black and white unless the white predominates
> then its........wait for it........white and black.
I like the term tuxedo; it's cute.
Ray
Patch
> "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote :
<snip>> >
> > >
> > > With a tortoiseshell, the three colors are blended and don't form
> > > distinct
> > > patches.
> >
> > Not correct.
>
> In what respect not correct? My Dee has areas that are more red or
> black, but not in distinct patches, as the website indicates. I have
> seen cats with patches and Dee's not like that. Therefore, she is not
> a calico.
Sorry I wasnt clear there !!
What I mean is, by general UK definition, it doesnt matter if there are
clearly defined patches or if they are mottled which is why we tend to lump
them all together as just Tortie.
>
> > A tortoiseshell may have significant portions of white as
> > > well, but
> > > the remaining colors are blended (this particular pattern is called a
> > > tortoiseshell and white). <<
> >
> > Nope, its just called Tortie !!
>
> Take it up with the people who wrote that website, then.
I`m just trying to get across that they are usually regarded differently, in
terminology, in the US to the UK, thats all :-)
>
> > > I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
> > > fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
> > > illustrates these colors?
> >
> > Like a sort of " sun bleached" or very pale/sandy type ginger ?
> > If that sounds accurate, the colour is Champagne.
>
> I think he's cream, based on the color swatchs someone posted.
If its any help at all, I can scan and you send a piccy direct [not without
your permission of course] of the Champagne boy I had [now sadly RB]. If
yours is lighter in base shade, he probably is a cream.
Btw, Ray, *please* dont take my tone at a certain other poster on this
thread as being aimed at you in any way cos its not at all !!
Patch :-)
Patch
"Yngver" <yng...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020912113651...@mb-ch.aol.com...
> Patch" d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I also have a new kitten that is a beige-ish stripey color. Is that
> >> fawn and cream? Cinnamon? Anyone have pix they can direct me to that
> >> illustrates these colors?
> >
> >Like a sort of " sun bleached" or very pale/sandy type ginger ?
> >If that sounds accurate, the colour is Champagne.
> >
> In the U.S., what you call ginger is usually called red or orange.
Yes, thats a perfect example of a terminology difference from US to UK :-)
Dilute
> orange is cream, so in the U.S., that beige-colored kitten is cream.
Ah - so may indeed be what in UK is Champagne - not often used/heard though
cos there dont seem to be many around at all [moggie wise anyway !].
We have a
> cat that is dilute tortie, which is called blue cream, and her brother is
solid
> cream. He had slight tabby markings when a kittten, but he outgrew them.
And I bet they are gorgeous :-)
Out of interest Yngver, if you get time to have a quick look, on the link I
gave to a piccy of some of my crew, what would be the correct US terminology
for Cleo`s colour ? [the names of the mogs are on the piccy].
I wonder if she would be hard to define by US terms as her ginger is too
bright to be truly dilute but not deep/rich enough to be what you would call
Calico, and she is basically mottled - not clearly defined colour patches
like Cheyenne, and not brown enough to be brindle !!
Patch
Cathy Friedmann
differentiates the pattern/coloration from a tortie. Also is fabric.
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
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"Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Cathy Friedmann
> "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote :
> > Nor do we say "tuxedo", we say black and white unless the white
predominates
> > then its........wait for it........white and black.
>
> I like the term tuxedo; it's cute.
>
> Ray
And also haoppens to be very descriptive of how a tuxedo cat looks, in
his/her B&W patterning. My Herrie's a just a DSH tuxedo, but always looks
like he's dressed to the nines - such a dapper looking guy. ;-)
Patch
> "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote :
>
>
> > IME, only snobs [that I have met] like to come up with some colour
> > description to make their [unpapered...] "Pedigree" [IOW their
moggies....]
> > sound more "exotic".
>
> Well now. I hope this isn't directed at me in any way,
No, absolutely not !!
Its a Brit "snob" thing thats all. There is a TV programme here, a sitcom
which you probably dont get there [??] with a lead character whose surname
is Bucket but being a snob she pronounces it "Bouquet", and puts on airs and
graces - its that sort of "English" snobbiness that I mean.
b/c I am not a
> snob. all my cats were street urchins and none are remotely pedigree.
> However, I do like to be able to describe the colors of my cats
> accurately. It interests me, as most things relating to them do.
Quite right too !!
I was simply putting across the UK definitions cos I`m a Brit and some
definitions do vary between the US and UK.
I
> think you're making a gross generalization when you say that anyone
> who is interested in cat colors is a snob
I didnt mean it like that !!
> or trying to pump up their
> cat to sound more exotic.
It wasnt really a generalisation - I did say it in direct reference to
people I had met who were like that. Apologies for any confusion !
>
> > If I were a snob [by UK definition], I could call Oscar a Harlequin to
make
> > him sound "posh".
>
> Or b/c you like the sound of it. Don't think it's a character flaw to
> use the word Harlequin.
No its not, but I`d get some funny looks <g>
>
> > Nor do we say "tuxedo", we say black and white unless the white
predominates
> > then its........wait for it........white and black.
>
> I like the term tuxedo; it's cute.
I think its really cute too - when an American says it. It just doesnt sound
right in an English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish accent - it doesnt have the
same ring to it unfortunately !
Patch
Karen
"Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message
>
> "Ray Stark" <ray-...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:fd5a7ba7.02091...@posting.google.com...
> > "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote :
> >
> >
> > > IME, only snobs [that I have met] like to come up with some colour
> > > description to make their [unpapered...] "Pedigree" [IOW their
> moggies....]
> > > sound more "exotic".
> >
> > Well now. I hope this isn't directed at me in any way,
>
> No, absolutely not !!
> Its a Brit "snob" thing thats all. There is a TV programme here, a sitcom
> which you probably dont get there [??] with a lead character whose surname
> is Bucket but being a snob she pronounces it "Bouquet", and puts on airs
and
> graces - its that sort of "English" snobbiness that I mean.
Isn't that "Keeping up Appearances"? It's hysterical!!! We get it on PBS.
Love it.
Karen
arc
> OK, so I checked out this link in a different thread re: cat colors.
>
> http://www.catscans.com/tortie.htm
> It was very informative, but it had one flaw: no pictures to
> illustrate the colors. I am not sure what a fawn, cream, cinnamon,
> lilac/lavender cat looks like.
<snipped for brevity>
> What do you think? Has anyone else been mischaracterizing their cats'
> colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
All four of my cats are the same color. This color can be
characterized in many different ways: dark, coal, charcoal, obscure,
night, secret, evil, somber, clouded, devoid of light.......can anyone
think of any others?
In casual conversation, I usually refer to them as *black* cats!
People usually know what I mean.
cheers,
angiexx
Cathy Friedmann
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>
> news:fd5a7ba7.02091...@posting.google.com...
> > "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote :
> >
> >
> > > IME, only snobs [that I have met] like to come up with some colour
> > > description to make their [unpapered...] "Pedigree" [IOW their
> moggies....]
> > > sound more "exotic".
> >
> > Well now. I hope this isn't directed at me in any way,
>
> No, absolutely not !!
> Its a Brit "snob" thing thats all. There is a TV programme here, a sitcom
> which you probably dont get there [??] with a lead character whose surname
> is Bucket but being a snob she pronounces it "Bouquet", and puts on airs
and
> graces - its that sort of "English" snobbiness that I mean.
Yes, we get "Keeping Up Appearances" - PBS. Poor, poor, poor Richard...
Yngver
>And I bet they are gorgeous :-)
>Out of interest Yngver, if you get time to have a quick look, on the link I
>gave to a piccy of some of my crew, what would be the correct US terminology
>for Cleo`s colour ? [the names of the mogs are on the piccy].
>I wonder if she would be hard to define by US terms as her ginger is too
>bright to be truly dilute but not deep/rich enough to be what you would call
>Calico, and she is basically mottled - not clearly defined colour patches
>like Cheyenne, and not brown enough to be brindle !!
>
It's a little hard to tell from the picture (I only see one of Cleo there, in
the group scene, correct?) but I'd say she is tortie and white (her chest is
white, no?). From what I have learned at cat shows, it doesn't matter (and I
think you already said this) whether the colors are in patches or are
interspersed--our blue cream cat is mainly blue with the cream blended
throughout, except for one cream paw and a cream blaze on her chest and belly.
I can't really tell the exact shade of red she has (or ginger) but it may seem
a lighter or darker shade if the other tortie colors are blended throughout
rather than patched. Here a cat is called red (I mean in cat books, shows, CFA,
etc.) whether the shade of red is dark (probably what you are thinking of as
ginger) or lighter, more of an orange--which I grew up calling marmalade, and I
think that is used in the U.K. sometimes too.
Patch
> But "calico" is not considered to be an exotic term (here), at all.
No, its the norm in the US but is a fairly "alien" term in UK, thats all :-)
Just
> differentiates the pattern/coloration from a tortie.
And there lies the confusion over what us just a cultural difference in
terminology. In UK we basically dont differentiate - tortie is tortie is
tortie here. Doesnt mean one is right and one is wrong :-)
>Also is fabric.
Yup !
Patch
Cathy Friedmann
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
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Yup, thats the one - I didnt know it aired out of UK ! I know British TV
humour doesnt always "take" abroad.
At least you`ll know *exactly* the sort of English "snob" that I mean
Karen. The character of Hyacinth Bouquet [Bucket !] wouldnt have a moggie,
only a pedigree would do, it would have to have the most fancy-pants name
possible of course, would wear a diamonte collar [from Harrods probably] and
would have to be descended from cats which lived with royals. If it turned
out to be a moggie after all, she would probably convince herself that it
was actually a new "rare breed" but still descended from a Palace cat of
course ! <g>
Patch
Karen
d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com wrote on 9/12/02 9:36 PM:
Oh definitely! Yes, PBS airs a lot of British comedies. My favorites growing
up were Good Neighbors, Bless Me Father, and To the Manor Born. Penelope
Keith is one of my favorite actresses!
Karen
Cathy Friedmann
> "Karen" <kchu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3d810754$0$9499$45be...@newscene.com...
> > "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fd5a7ba7.02091...@posting.google.com...
> > > > "Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote :
> > > >
> > > > > IME, only snobs [that I have met] like to come up with some colour
> > > > > description to make their [unpapered...] "Pedigree" [IOW their
> > > moggies....]
> > > > > sound more "exotic".
> > > >
> > > > Well now. I hope this isn't directed at me in any way,
> > >
> > > No, absolutely not !!
> > > Its a Brit "snob" thing thats all. There is a TV programme here, a
> sitcom
> > > which you probably dont get there [??] with a lead character whose
> surname
> > > is Bucket but being a snob she pronounces it "Bouquet", and puts on
airs
> > and
> > > graces - its that sort of "English" snobbiness that I mean.
> >
> > Isn't that "Keeping up Appearances"? It's hysterical!!! We get it on
PBS.
> > Love it.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Yup, thats the one - I didnt know it aired out of UK ! I know British TV
> humour doesnt always "take" abroad.
Lots of British comedy airs here (via PBS) & takes well. From "Fawlty
Towers" to "The Good Life" (aka Good Neighbors) to "Fools & Horses", to "To
the Manor Born", to "Waiting for God", to "As Time Goes By", to "The Vicar
of Dibley", to... well, you get the idea. ;-)
> At least you`ll know *exactly* the sort of English "snob" that I mean
> Karen. The character of Hyacinth Bouquet [Bucket !] wouldnt have a moggie,
> only a pedigree would do, it would have to have the most fancy-pants name
> possible of course, would wear a diamonte collar [from Harrods probably]
... which reminds me of the episode in which Margot, of "Good Neighbors"
(The Good Life), ordered her whole Christmas from Harrod's & had major fits
when the tree wasn't exactly the right height. <g>
and
> would have to be descended from cats which lived with royals. If it turned
> out to be a moggie after all, she would probably convince herself that it
> was actually a new "rare breed" but still descended from a Palace cat of
> course ! <g>
>
> Patch
Yep, that'd be good ol' Hyacinth, of "the Bouquet residence".
Ray Stark
>
> > What do you think? Has anyone else been mischaracterizing their cats'
> > colors? This is all more complicated than I figured.
>
>
> All four of my cats are the same color. This color can be
> characterized in many different ways: dark, coal, charcoal, obscure,
> night, secret, evil, somber, clouded, devoid of light.......can anyone
> think of any others?
> In casual conversation, I usually refer to them as *black* cats!
>
> People usually know what I mean.
You have 4 black cats? Cool! I have one and I love him very much.
Hey, do your blacks have some white on them? I've noticed that Shad
has little white pits, a little white spot on the lower abdomen, and a
few white chest hairs. Also, I've noticed that as he ages, he's
starting to get white shoulders. I thought it was funny that he had
white hairs where humans would have secondary sexual hair-- the pits,
pubes, chest, and later, on the back. Wondering if this is a black
cat phenomenon, or just Shad's quirk.
Ray
Patch
"Yngver" <yng...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> "Patch" d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com wrote:
>
> >And I bet they are gorgeous :-)
> >Out of interest Yngver, if you get time to have a quick look, on the link
I
> >gave to a piccy of some of my crew, what would be the correct US
terminology
> >for Cleo`s colour ? [the names of the mogs are on the piccy].
> >I wonder if she would be hard to define by US terms as her ginger is too
> >bright to be truly dilute but not deep/rich enough to be what you would
call
> >Calico, and she is basically mottled - not clearly defined colour patches
> >like Cheyenne, and not brown enough to be brindle !!
> >
> It's a little hard to tell from the picture (I only see one of Cleo there,
in
> the group scene, correct?)
Yes, thats her.
but I'd say she is tortie and white (her chest is
> white, no?).
Only a small patch - what you can see is all there is, it doesnt extend any
further down. She has white toes as well but thats it.
From what I have learned at cat shows, it doesn't matter (and I
> think you already said this) whether the colors are in patches or are
> interspersed--our blue cream cat is mainly blue with the cream blended
> throughout, except for one cream paw and a cream blaze on her chest and
belly.
>
> I can't really tell the exact shade of red she has (or ginger) but it may
seem
> a lighter or darker shade if the other tortie colors are blended
throughout
> rather than patched.
Its a bit of an awkward shade really, neither one nor the other [not rich
but not dilute either].
Here a cat is called red (I mean in cat books, shows, CFA,
> etc.) whether the shade of red is dark (probably what you are thinking of
as
> ginger) or lighter, more of an orange--which I grew up calling marmalade,
and I
> think that is used in the U.K. sometimes too.
Yes - what the US calls red we call marmalade which just distinguishes a bit
from the ginger-but-not-dark shade. We [Brits] do use Red for dogs but I`ve
not heard it used here for cats [doesn't mean its never used, I just haven't
heard it used at all].
Perhaps I should do a Hyacinth and come up with a new colour definition for
Cleo - How about
Mid-Red-with-Slate-Splodging-And-A-Few-Cream-Bits-Here-And-There ?
Heh, ok, I`ll just stick to plain ol` Tortie then <g>
Patch
Cathy Friedmann
"Karen" <kchu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Me, too - the same programs (I was trying to remember the name of "Bless me,
Father), & Penelope Keith. I have watched so many episodes of "Good
Neighbors" over & over. Was sad to learn of Paul Eddington's death several
years ago. Can still see him/Jerry in one episode of GN, wafting the aroma
of an Indian take-out around the LR while Margot was out someplace... <g>
If only they'd show the next batch of "The Vicar of Dibley" - we haven't
seen Alice's wedding yet!
Karen
cl...@adelphia.net wrote on 9/12/02 10:50 PM:
Oh that's a great one! And the delivery guy falls in love with the other
wife, Penny? (been a long time) and says "you have the kind of eyes a man
could drown in" (she does too). I always thought that one was the funniest.
Karne
Karen
cl...@adelphia.net wrote on 9/12/02 10:59 PM:
OK, my favorite Bless me Father has to be the time the Bishop is coming to
do the service and Pontious Pilot gets into the church (he's a black lab)
and the camera switches to "glalumping dog mode" as PP slobbers all over the
Bishop! What a howl!
Karen
Cathy Friedmann
I remember the Christmas delivery guy - vaguely. I do remember one of their
get-togethers at Margot & Jerry's - they've all been drinking Tom &
Barbara's home-made (peapod??) wine, & are all very tipsy. Tom's in the LR
w/ Margot, sitting in the arm of her chair, telling her she has a very sexy
neck, while she's bemoaning the fact that she's never had a sense of humor.
At the same time Jerry & Barbara are in the kitchen cleaning up. Jerry's
handing Barbara the dishes across the counter to put into the dishwasher
while flirting w/ her, but then Barbara realizes she's been putting the
dirty dishes into the refrigerator the whole time. She asks Jerry where the
fridge is, except he's so out of it, he can't remember, & they starting
calling for the dishwasher... "Here, Dishwashy, Dishwashy..." ;-)
Karen
cl...@adelphia.net wrote on 9/12/02 11:34 PM:
Oh yeah!! I think that was a New Years celebration because they had
crackers. Anyhow, what a fun show.
Karen
Patch
> in article iecg9.2430$7x3.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net, Patch at
> d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com wrote on 9/12/02 9:36 PM:
>
<snip>
> > Yup, thats the one - I didnt know it aired out of UK ! I know British TV
> > humour doesnt always "take" abroad.
<snip>
> Oh definitely! Yes, PBS airs a lot of British comedies. My favorites
growing
> up were Good Neighbors, Bless Me Father, and To the Manor Born. Penelope
> Keith is one of my favorite actresses!
>
> Karen
I loved To The Manor Born - cracking programme !
Penelope Keith was also in The Good Life, another great sitcom - she played
a Bouquet-ish type character in that but not so OTT. She was hilarious !
Patch
Patch
> > d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com wrote on 9/12/02 9:36 PM:
"Karen" <kchu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> > > Yup, thats the one - I didnt know it aired out of UK ! I know British
TV
> > > humour doesnt always "take" abroad.
<snip>
> > Oh definitely! Yes, PBS airs a lot of British comedies. My favorites
> growing
> > up were Good Neighbors, Bless Me Father, and To the Manor Born. Penelope
> > Keith is one of my favorite actresses!
> >
> > Karen
>
> Me, too - the same programs (I was trying to remember the name of "Bless
me,
> Father), & Penelope Keith. I have watched so many episodes of "Good
> Neighbors" over & over. Was sad to learn of Paul Eddington's death
several
> years ago. Can still see him/Jerry in one episode of GN, wafting the
aroma
> of an Indian take-out around the LR while Margot was out someplace... <g>
Ah - it was called The Good Life here - see, even program titles can get
confusing just cos of a bit of water between land masses, let alone cat
colour definitions <g>
>
> If only they'd show the next batch of "The Vicar of Dibley" - we haven't
> seen Alice's wedding yet!
I have, I have - wanna know what happens ?
Well...........
.................
................
..............
............
.............
nah, dont worry, I dont do spoilers <g>
Patch
Cathy Friedmann
Yeah, they changed the name for broadcasting it over here, 'cause some other
program (in the USA) was already called "The Good Life", so it morphed into
"Good Neighbors". Now if I see an episode, Felicity Kendal & all look *so
young*! They looked perfectly "normal" back in the late 70's/early 80's
when it first ran over here. ;-)
> > If only they'd show the next batch of "The Vicar of Dibley" - we haven't
> > seen Alice's wedding yet!
>
> I have, I have - wanna know what happens ?
Sure. Is Alice *completely* clueless re: birds & bees? ;-) Does she need
help/info from Gerri? Her wedding dress - did she resemble Little Bo Peep
maybe? <g>
> Well...........
> .................
> ................
> ..............
> ............
> .............
>
> nah, dont worry, I dont do spoilers <g>
>
> Patch
Awww.......
CatProtectionSoc
Appearances, and My Hero.
The Daytona PBS also shows All Creatures Great and Small (which I can see if a
storm has passed through and cleared the air).
CPS.
PS: I miss Dr. Who.
Lyn
LOL...but I can tell you, such pretention is in no way exclusively
British. ;) I have seen many a moggie labeled a "Main Coon" or
"Himmie" or whatever, at the vet. Some with their own "diamonique"
collars, and hand-crafted food bowls. I hate to tell the owner that
the collar gets taken off, and the food bowl stored until the cat goes
home...LOL!
Your post reminded me of a commercial that is currently airing
here...a job applicant is in the boss' office, and is going on and on
about what a good fit he is for the company, yadda...and he keeps
calling the guy "Mr. Dumb-ass". At the end of the commercial, you
finally see the boss, and he says only one line: "It's Du-MASS."
It's pretty funny.
-L.
Lyn
We cut our teeth on "Monty Python's Flying Circus". I found it
funnier then than I do now, though.
Sitcoms here are so stupid. I seriously don't know how anybody can
watch most of what is on American TV.
-L.
Elaine&René
Hilarious!
I'd love to see an episode of that again.
"Karen" <kchu...@earthlink.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Karen
shak...@hotmail.com wrote on 9/13/02 8:51 PM:
> My all time favorite was "some mothers do have 'em", with Michael Crawford.
> Hilarious!
> I'd love to see an episode of that again.
>
I've got three tapes that my mom got me for Christmas one year. PBS sells
many of these series. I would like to get more sometime. They are a good
picker upper when your down and bored with the tripe on TV now.
Karen
Patch
"Elaine&René" <shak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My all time favorite was "some mothers do have 'em", with Michael
Crawford.
> Hilarious!
> I'd love to see an episode of that again.
Another good `un !!
Did you know he did all the stunts in that series ? The episode with him
going down the road on rollerskates is a classic !
I had the great pleasure of meeting him after a performance of Phantom, in
London. He is a *lovely* man, a true gent :-)
Patch
Patch
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> Our local PBS shows To The Manor Born, Are You Being Served?, Keeping Up
> Appearances, and My Hero.
>
> The Daytona PBS also shows All Creatures Great and Small (which I can see
if a
> storm has passed through and cleared the air).
I loved when it first aired and I`ve been watching it again on cable. Its as
good today as when I first saw it IMO. Some of the episodes get me bawling
my eyes out !
> CPS.
>
> PS: I miss Dr. Who.
I thought Jon Pertwee was the best Dr. Who. Rubbish effects and really silly
story lines but it made for strangely compulsive viewing <g>
Patch
Patch
"Lyn" <pri...@user.kingsnake.com> wrote in message news:
<snip>
> We cut our teeth on "Monty Python's Flying Circus". I found it
> funnier then than I do now, though.
I thought there were a few good classic gems - the Lumberjack song, the
parrot sketch and the "camp" soldiers and the Ministry of Silly Walks. Those
are timeless I think, but a lot of the rest is rather dated/tired.
>
> Sitcoms here are so stupid. I seriously don't know how anybody can
> watch most of what is on American TV.
I like some of the US sitcoms we get here, like Friends and Fresh Prince.
I guess I just like silly giggly pap <g>
Patch
Cathy Friedmann
>
> "CatProtectionSoc" <catprote...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020913163858...@mb-bj.aol.com...
> > Our local PBS shows To The Manor Born, Are You Being Served?, Keeping Up
> > Appearances, and My Hero.
> >
> > The Daytona PBS also shows All Creatures Great and Small (which I can
see
> if a
> > storm has passed through and cleared the air).
>
> I loved when it first aired and I`ve been watching it again on cable. Its
as
> good today as when I first saw it IMO. Some of the episodes get me bawling
> my eyes out !
I agree, excellent series. :-) At first I didn't think the casting was
quite right - re:C. Timothy & R. Hardy (they didn't match my images, from
the books), but the characters *did* work well, after all, IMO. My youngest
cat - Herriot, aka Herrie - is named for James Herriot/Alf Wight. Went to
Thirsk back in '86; no one was at the office/surgery when we got there - all
out on calls, but signed the guest book & left donations for the local
animal society that they sponsored. Great to be at the place I'd read about
so much. Liked his son's book - biography.
> > CPS.
> >
> > PS: I miss Dr. Who.
>
> I thought Jon Pertwee was the best Dr. Who. Rubbish effects and really
silly
> story lines but it made for strangely compulsive viewing <g>
>
> Patch
I once knitted, & knitted, & knitted... a scarf for my B-I-L who was into
Dr. Who big-time.
Cathy Friedmann
"Patch" <d.guipag...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote in message
There were some in the past I really enjoyed - Taxi, WKRP in Cincinnati, &
of course... M*A*S*H.
Elaine&René
"Soap".
Elaine
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Cathy Friedmann
days... but the mother & father were the ones who cracked me up in that
show.
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
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Elaine&René
at their best at that time. The ventriloquist with his "brat" got me
laughing alot. :-)
Elaine
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Patch
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> "Soap".
> Elaine
I loved Soap !!!
Patch
Elaine&René
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I saw on the net that he is quite appreciated, and has a few fanclubs.
Apparently he sings well but I have never heard him. I'll have to look up
some CDs.
Elaine
arc
> You have 4 black cats? Cool! I have one and I love him very much.
> Hey, do your blacks have some white on them? I've noticed that Shad
> has little white pits, a little white spot on the lower abdomen, and a
> few white chest hairs. Also, I've noticed that as he ages, he's
> starting to get white shoulders. I thought it was funny that he had
> white hairs where humans would have secondary sexual hair-- the pits,
> pubes, chest, and later, on the back. Wondering if this is a black
> cat phenomenon, or just Shad's quirk.
Yes, 4 black cats. We came together by chance, not design. The
first one crossed my path one evening in my front yard. Bad luck?
Hardly. Like an angel from heaven, he was to me, and I suppose I was
his angel, too, because he was approximately 3 weeks old, abandoned,
hungry, sick, frightened. It's a long story. Now, 10 years later, he's
going a bit gray on the shoulders, as you describe.
The other three were subsequent shelter adoptions. Mecca has a
white spot on his abdomen, clearly visible when he takes backfloat naps
on the livingroom floor. The other two are pure, unadulterated
blackness. I adore them as you do yours. Black cat phenomenon, indeed.
Your cat's white armpits may be a quirk, I don't think I've ever
seen that before.
cheers,
angie
Orchid
>LOL...but I can tell you, such pretention is in no way exclusively
>British. ;) I have seen many a moggie labeled a "Main Coon" or
>"Himmie" or whatever, at the vet.
Or worse yet, Bengal. Ye gods, sometimes it seems that if a
tabby has even the faintest suggestion of a spot it magically becomes
a Bengal. And some of the worst offenders are shelters -- the vast
majority of 'Bengals' and 'Bengal mixes' on Petfinder are pure DSH;
cobby heads, weak chins, vertical spots and all.
:)
Ray Stark
> Yes, 4 black cats. We came together by chance, not design.
I think that's the best way, sometimes. Most of mine have found me,
not the other way around, and I think of them as gifts from the
universe.
> first one crossed my path one evening in my front yard. Bad luck?
> Hardly. Like an angel from heaven, he was to me, and I suppose I was
> his angel, too, because he was approximately 3 weeks old, abandoned,
> hungry, sick, frightened. It's a long story. Now, 10 years later, he's
> going a bit gray on the shoulders, as you describe.
Like a silverback gorilla. Mine is about 10 years old too, and he's
going grey.
> The other three were subsequent shelter adoptions. Mecca has a
> white spot on his abdomen, clearly visible when he takes backfloat naps
> on the livingroom floor. The other two are pure, unadulterated
> blackness. I adore them as you do yours. Black cat phenomenon, indeed.
They really have no white hairs on them at all? I've examined other
people's cats and found at least somewhere on the underside, a patch
of white. It's their little secret.
> Your cat's white armpits may be a quirk, I don't think I've ever
> seen that before.
Really? Huh. My Shad's quirky all right.
Ray
Patch
"Ray Stark" <ray-...@excite.com> wrote in message
<snip, re black cats>
> They really have no white hairs on them at all? I've examined other
> people's cats and found at least somewhere on the underside, a patch
> of white. It's their little secret.
I have black cats among my crew. Sootster has a few stray white hairs on his
throat and some grey [smoke] to his tum, but Shadow and Ashleigh have no
white hairs at all.
Whenever Ashleighs health was at it worst she`d have a couple of mil of
white throughout which grew out until it was just at the tips, so usually
she is black but has also been clearly flecked !!
I`ve never seen it in any other cat. Presumably it was the result of the
physical "shock" to her whole system healthwise. I`ve never thought to ask
for a "scientific cause" so if anyone knows of one I`d be interested to hear
it !
Anyone else here have any experience of this ?
Another "quirk" is with Cheyenne. She has stray white hairs throughout her
coloured patches. She is a short haired cat but these individual white hairs
are all long. [Her solid white areas are short haired].
Patch
arc
>> The other three were subsequent shelter adoptions. Mecca has a
>>white spot on his abdomen, clearly visible when he takes backfloat naps
>>on the livingroom floor. The other two are pure, unadulterated
>>blackness...
>>
> They really have no white hairs on them at all? I've examined other
> people's cats and found at least somewhere on the underside, a patch
> of white. It's their little secret.
Really! I swear there are no white hairs. They're littermates,
and look almost exactly alike. Black. The only little secrets they
keep from me are the shreaded newspaper, glasses of water knocked on the
floor, toilet paper pulled across the house, dead grasshoppers on my
bed, etc.
>> Your cat's white armpits may be a quirk, I don't think I've ever
>>seen that before.
>>
> Really? Huh. My Shad's quirky all right.
Or maybe mine are the unusual ones, I don't know. Is Shad your
only cat?
-angie
arc
> I have black cats among my crew. Sootster has a few stray white hairs on his
> throat and some grey [smoke] to his tum, but Shadow and Ashleigh have no
> white hairs at all.
> Whenever Ashleighs health was at it worst she`d have a couple of mil of
> white throughout which grew out until it was just at the tips, so usually
> she is black but has also been clearly flecked !!
> I`ve never seen it in any other cat. Presumably it was the result of the
> physical "shock" to her whole system healthwise. I`ve never thought to ask
> for a "scientific cause" so if anyone knows of one I`d be interested to hear
> it !
> Anyone else here have any experience of this ?
I've heard of something called acute alopecia areata, but it doesn't
sound exactly like what you are describing. It occurs when there is a
mix of white and dark hairs. Disease, nutritional imbalance, or
something of the sort causes a loss of the dark hairs, the result being
the illusion that the hair has turned suddenly white.
I don't have any personal experience of this sort other than my bf's
hair falling out and turning white. That's another story, eh?
-angie
Patch
"arc" <me...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:3D84D07B...@mchsi.com...
> Patch wrote:
>
>
> > I have black cats among my crew. Sootster has a few stray white hairs on
his
> > throat and some grey [smoke] to his tum, but Shadow and Ashleigh have no
> > white hairs at all.
> > Whenever Ashleighs health was at it worst she`d have a couple of mil of
> > white throughout which grew out until it was just at the tips, so
usually
> > she is black but has also been clearly flecked !!
> > I`ve never seen it in any other cat. Presumably it was the result of the
> > physical "shock" to her whole system healthwise. I`ve never thought to
ask
> > for a "scientific cause" so if anyone knows of one I`d be interested to
hear
> > it !
> > Anyone else here have any experience of this ?
>
>
> I've heard of something called acute alopecia areata, but it doesn't
> sound exactly like what you are describing. It occurs when there is a
> mix of white and dark hairs. Disease, nutritional imbalance, or
> something of the sort causes a loss of the dark hairs, the result being
> the illusion that the hair has turned suddenly white.
She did have nutritional imbalance was intolerant of protein and had to have
food designed for cats with severe kidney probs when she was really ill. She
didnt lose the black hairs though, they just grew white for a couple of mils
worth then back to black. It looked quite strange I can tell you !!
> I don't have any personal experience of this sort other than my bf's
> hair falling out and turning white. That's another story, eh?
Whatever the cause, be it physical or emotional trauma, I hope he`s ok now.
Patch
arc
>> I don't have any personal experience of this sort other than my bf's
>>hair falling out and turning white. That's another story, eh?
>>
> Whatever the cause, be it physical or emotional trauma, I hope he`s ok now.
He's fine! Male pattern baldness and age. lol!!!
cheers,
angie
Patch
"arc" <me...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:3D85119C...@mchsi.com...
> cheers,
> angie
Heh, ya got me - nice one <g>
Patch
Ray Stark
> >> Your cat's white armpits may be a quirk, I don't think I've ever
> >>seen that before.
> >>
> > Really? Huh. My Shad's quirky all right.
>
> Or maybe mine are the unusual ones, I don't know. Is Shad your
> only cat?
No, he's 1 of 5. I have Dee, a torbie+white, Ahmet, who is a
half-Siamese stripey boy, Charley, b+w, and Mason, the tan colored
kitten. Charley and Shad are best buddies, and after a wrestling
match, I sometimes find tufts of white hair under Shad's nails. I
think he's jealous and wants to be b+w like his pal.
Ray
arc
> No, he's 1 of 5. I have Dee, a torbie+white, Ahmet, who is a
> half-Siamese stripey boy, Charley, b+w, and Mason, the tan colored
> kitten. Charley and Shad are best buddies, and after a wrestling
> match, I sometimes find tufts of white hair under Shad's nails. I
> think he's jealous and wants to be b+w like his pal.
Ahmet is a beautiful name. It sounds like you have a balnced and
happy house full o' cats!
Regards,
angie
Judith Trummer
> enlightened us with <fd5a7ba7.02091...@posting.google.com>...
>> Now I'm confused about the difference b/c torbie and tortie. My Dee
>> has stripey patterns in her black and red areas-- does that mean she's
>> torbie? How distinct do the stripes have to be to be considered
>> torbie?
>>
As far as I know, torbies have two different tabbies going on (ie
splotches of brown/gray tabby, and splotches of orange tabby).
Tortoiseshell cats are like orange tabbies sprinkled with black paint;
the orange tabby is covered in many places, but the black fur
covering it doesn't have stripes. My boyfriend's mom has a cat who has both
brown and orange tabby spots. It's pretty nifty-looking, but I'm still a
sucker for regular torties.
So, if the black areas have stripes as well as the orange areas, she's a
torbie :). I don't think distinctness of stripes is an issue; a stripe
is a stripe, however obscured.
But then that leaves the question of what cats with white are called.
I've been led to believe that tortie + white = calico, but are there
torbies with no white?
Judith Trummer
> "Cathy Friedmann" <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:alomol$1pbu5i$1...@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de...
>> IOW, people in the UK don't differentiate between calico & tortie
>> colorations/patterns??
> No, not unless they have come across it on the net and feel its a more
> "exotic" sounding colour. To most Brits, Calico is a material for summer
> dresses or shirts - hows that for a sweeping statement !! ;-)
In America (or at least Wisconsin, where I grew up) "calico" was the
generic word for a cat of many colors. "Tortoiseshell" for the mingled
black and orange variety was a term I learned much later and seemed to
be regarded by some people as slightly technical or snooty. Odd how
it's the opposite elsewhere!
I like the term "moggie." There's no feline equivalent of "mutt" for
cats here. Alley cat or Domestic Shorthair or something might be used,
but they don't have the same feel.