[OT] Diets & stuff
Yowie
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tanadashoes <tan...@earthlink.net> typed:
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> I also have the same (don't know when full) condition
> as Matt does. Mine is partly genetic and partly from being force fed
> as a child. Nothing was ever permitted to remain on the plate at the
> end of a meal and my father dished up the food, not us. One tends to
> lose one's ability to cry quits when never allowed to when young. I
> raised my kids that they served them selves and all I asked was that
> they try a bite of anything that they didn't like, as tastes change
> over the years.
I don't know whether mine is genetic or not, but I too was forcefed as a
child, as in "you are not leaving the table until you've finsihed everything
on your plate" type force-fed. One of my earliest and most vivid memories -
and I must have been four or under at the time, because its still England -
is howling with frustration, anger and indignity whilst being forced to eat
a bowl of canned spaghetti that had gone cold and started to congeal on top.
I can still feel the slimy little buggers in my mouth and it make me want to
gag. It took me a dog's year to eat them, one torturous, disgusting and vile
mouthful at a time, and I threw up at least twice in the process, but I
*had* to finish them before leaving the table. I too have no concept of
'satisfied', only 'I am so full it is painful', and I wonder whether 'you
must eat all your are given' is the reason for it.
I don't particularly blame my mother for this - this was how she was raised,
and she was raised during England in WW2 where there were food rations and
great food shortages. She now tells me that my grandmother - her mother -
only ate only the two crusts off the loaf of bread a day except Sundays
where, if she could get the meat, she would eat Sunday Roast with the
family - just so she could give her own rations to her children.
So food was *always* a big issue when I was growing up, and leaving food on
the plate was tantamount to murder, no matter what that particular food
stuff was. I also gag at the thought of fat and offal, which both my parents
ate and still eat with glee. For Christmas, I now traditionally make corned
beef and my father in particular *loves* it as it always reminds him of his
childhood Christmases - but on the same token he always has to twll (and
re-tell) us that corned beef is a very cheap cut of meat and has to be
cooked slowly otherwise it would be like show leather - and it was the best
his family could afford for the Christmas roast
Much like Pam, I vowed that food would never be an issue at my place, which
is how I discovered that, much like myself, there is absolutley no point
insisting Cary eat breakfast when he gets up of a morning, because he (like
me) is not hungry immediatley after he wakes up and will not be remotely
interested in food until at least an hour after getting out of bed (usually
one and a half), and at that point we will eat. If we eat before then, at
the one and a half hour mark we will become hungry regardless of whether
we've already eaten breakfast at the point we arose. This is another form of
overeating, forced onto me when I *had* to eat breakfast before school,
rather than being given something for morning tea ("anything outside of
breakfast, lunch or dinner will make you fat"), being ravenous from 9am till
1pm, and then eating like a starving person when I finally got to lunch.
The odd thing is, my mother is *forever* on a diet, and she can be such a
diet bore, it has taken over her life. Sometimes she manages to drop a size,
but usually she's a size 22-24 and returns to 22-24 as soon as she stops the
diet (which she can never sustain - they're brutal). On the other hand, I
have never been on a diet and yet I am also a size 22-24[*]. I thus have no
faith in dieting, my mother has tortured herself with food obsession her
whole life and its got her nowhere except for being deeply ashamed and
miserable about her body, and I'd personally just prefer to eat food I enjoy
and stay the size I am than turn food into some sort of false god that
consumes my waking hours.
Yowie
[*] An Australian 22-24. Think this would be a size 18-20 or XL-2XL in the
USA and 20-22 in the UK. The 3XL RPCA cat shirt was comfortably loose.
Enfilade
> > end of a meal and my father dished up the food, not us. One tends to
> > lose one's ability to cry quits when never allowed to when young.
I was raised the same way, which I guess makes sense when your
grandparents live through stuff like the Depression and the Holocaust
and have a compulsion to eat what's in front of them for fear of who
knows when you'll see another meal.
I had to break myself of the habit when I got stomach ulcers at 24,
and couldn't hold a plateful inside. My doctor told me to scrap the
"3 square meals a day" in favour of six little ones. And, ever since,
I've bought smaller plates and start with what I feel won't be enough,
because I can always go back for more, or have fruit for dessert, more
easily than I can "waste" by leaving something on my plate. I've also
learned to return things from my plate to a tupperware for lunch the
next day, but I do tend to stuff before I Get to that point, so it's
easier to just take less than I think I need. Sometimes less is ALL I
need.
My parents, of course, feel this is hideously unhealthy, but they are
also concerned about DP's vegetarianism (and DP is a doctor, you would
think he's got a better grip on what is healthy. He gets his blood
tested twice a year to make sure his vitamin and mineral counts are
where they should be, and supplements protein, vitamin D, B12, and
Omega-3 (I supplement just D and Omega-3 since I do eat meat
sometimes) but just because he doesn't start his day with 3 eggs, 4
strips of bacon, and 3 sausages...ie 3 days' worth of meat for what
people really need....he's "unhealthy.")
--Fil
MLB
Your folks sound just like the ones I had. Mine was The Great
depression and "think of the starving Armenians". I didn't have a clue
what an Armenian was. My father was a heavy man and my mother became
that way too. Mealtimes were never pleasant. My father became ill and
subsequently became a near skeleton. There is quite a difference when
losing weight from illness and from dieting. MLB
Stormmmee
let alone health, if you are eakthy, and the person you are attracted to is
attracted to you then in my book you are NOT over weight, you are the right
size to get through life healthily anctively in all the vital areas so don't
worry, Lee
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Stormmmee
eat out and dh orders a small steak or pork chop in the four to six oz
range, ooohhh "thats so much protien and meat doesn't it make you..."
Lee
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Stormmmee
send them my spinach... the rest of us siblings decided NOT to ever say it
out loud, Lee
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tanadashoes
> for me it was the kids in indai... once, and only once my brother said, well
> send them my spinach... the rest of us siblings decided NOT to ever say it
> out loud, Lee
>
For us it was those poor staving kids in China. Then Mom saw pictures
of the famine in Biafra. I once volunteered to send myself along with
my liver and onions, lumpy mashed potatoes, and so on to Biafra.
Unfortunately the old man came home a little early and heard this. My
portion of liver and onions was particularly large that night. My older
brother thought that was the funniest thing and snickered all through
the meal.
I have never willingly ingested Liver and onions, trout, purple cabbage,
or a bunch of other foods that I had to force down the gullet. Not only
was Mom a lousy cook, but half of what she made was both over and under
cooked. I'll have to do a description sometime. It makes the kids
laugh and Rob appreciates my cooking all over again.
Pam S.
Stormmmee
portions, but sometimes we had to ry things, there are very few tings o i
wont eat because of taste smell or texutre, mostly i am allergic so can't
eat it, Lee
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Jack Campin - bogus address
>>> raised, and she was raised during England in WW2 where there were food
>>> rations and great food shortages. She now tells me that my grandmother -
>>> her mother - only ate only the two crusts off the loaf of bread a day
>>> except Sundays where, if she could get the meat, she would eat Sunday
>>> Roast with the family - just so she could give her own rations to her
>>> children.
>> and "think of the starving Armenians". I didn't have a clue what an
>> Armenian was.
> well send them my spinach...
My mother used to tell us that people in Portugal ate worms. I think
the idea was to persuade us her cooking wasn't that bad.
Wneh I did finally go to Portugal I didn't find worms, but there were
a lot of places that served snails, including a cafe in the centre of
Lisbon where they were kept alive in a wire cage by the front door. I
could just about manage the little ones but the beasts that were even
bigger than garden snails were a bit much..
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My brother was a sergeant in the signal corps WWII and served in France
and Belgium. He married a French girl and brought her here after four
years. She brought several cans of snails as a treat food. She packed
them in snail shells and closed the opening with garlic butter then
baked them. Delicious!!!
Christina Websell
"Jack Campin - bogus address" <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>> I don't particularly blame my mother for this - this was how she was
>>>> raised, and she was raised during England in WW2 where there were food
>>>> rations and great food shortages. She now tells me that my
>>>> grandmother -
>>>> her mother - only ate only the two crusts off the loaf of bread a day
>>>> except Sundays where, if she could get the meat, she would eat Sunday
>>>> Roast with the family - just so she could give her own rations to her
>>>> children.
>>> Your folks sound just like the ones I had. Mine was The Great
>>> depression
>>> and "think of the starving Armenians". I didn't have a clue what an
>>> Armenian was.
>> for me it was the kids in indai... once, and only once my brother said,
>> well send them my spinach...
>
> My mother used to tell us that people in Portugal ate worms. I think
> the idea was to persuade us her cooking wasn't that bad.
>
> Wneh I did finally go to Portugal I didn't find worms, but there were
> a lot of places that served snails, including a cafe in the centre of
> Lisbon where they were kept alive in a wire cage by the front door. I
> could just about manage the little ones but the beasts that were even
> bigger than garden snails were a bit much..
>
>
edible. When she was learning to cook I had to eat some awful stuff. Half
cooked rice pudding. refusal would get a smack. I remember it well, those
gritty grains in my mouth at aged about 9.
Tweed
Enfilade
the Depression by working as a cook in rich peoples' homes.
She fed me a ton of food when I was growing up but at least it was
really good food....
(Oh, and her line was the starving children in Ethiopia.)
--Fil
bastX...@sonic.net
> My parents, of course, feel this is hideously unhealthy, but they are
> also concerned about DP's vegetarianism (and DP is a doctor, you would
> think he's got a better grip on what is healthy. He gets his blood
> tested twice a year to make sure his vitamin and mineral counts are
> where they should be, and supplements protein, vitamin D, B12, and
> Omega-3 (I supplement just D and Omega-3 since I do eat meat
> sometimes) but just because he doesn't start his day with 3 eggs, 4
> strips of bacon, and 3 sausages...ie 3 days' worth of meat for what
> people really need....he's "unhealthy.")
What planet are they from?? I don't know anyone who would say that 3
egss, 4 strips of bacon and 3 sausages every day is healthy!
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Yowie
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Such a breakfast is not so bad if you are then going out to do some
seriously hard physical labour (involving muscle strength and stamina) for
the day as its all about protein and extremely long-lasting energy (fat).
The classic great broadshouldered blacksmith, for example, would need such a
breakfast.
Its a disaster if you are going to an office and sitting on your butt in
front a computer all day.
Yowie
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If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many
pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones.
bastX...@sonic.net
> <bastX...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> I don't know anyone who would say that 3
>> egss, 4 strips of bacon and 3 sausages every day is healthy!
> Such a breakfast is not so bad if you are then going out to do some
> seriously hard physical labour (involving muscle strength and stamina) for
> the day as its all about protein and extremely long-lasting energy (fat).
> The classic great broadshouldered blacksmith, for example, would need such a
> breakfast.
> Its a disaster if you are going to an office and sitting on your butt in
> front a computer all day.
Good point. In the modern world, it seems like the latter is a lot more
common, whether you're an executive or a low-level worker.
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Someone who listens to the equipment instead of the music.
Enfilade
>
> What planet are they from?? I don't know anyone who would say that 3
> egss, 4 strips of bacon and 3 sausages every day is healthy!
>
They are from the planet of people who do manual labour from dawn to
dusk for 9 months of the year.
They are also from the planet of people who raise their own cattle and
hogs and so have a lot of meat around (and a lot of meat they trade to
the neighbours in exchange for fresh eggs).
Now...
My dad can eat like that because he burns it all off. He also eats
TONS of vegetables, and is very fit for a man in his mid sixties. On
the other hand, my grandpa put on a lot of weight between age 69 and
age 99, after he retired and stopped working like a farmer, but kept
eating like one. I suspect the same thing will happen to my dad when
he stops farming.
My mom only does farm labour in the summer (She's a teacher) but eats
like a farmer all year and as a result, is over 200lbs.
I am asthmatic and work at a desk a lot. There is no way in hell I
can eat like that if I don't want to be super fat. But because it
works for my dad, and used to work for my grandpa, they think I am not
getting enough protein.
--Fil
bastX...@sonic.net
> They are from the planet of people who do manual labour from dawn to
> dusk for 9 months of the year.
> They are also from the planet of people who raise their own cattle and
> hogs and so have a lot of meat around (and a lot of meat they trade to
> the neighbours in exchange for fresh eggs).
> Now...
> My dad can eat like that because he burns it all off. He also eats
> TONS of vegetables, and is very fit for a man in his mid sixties. On
> the other hand, my grandpa put on a lot of weight between age 69 and
> age 99, after he retired and stopped working like a farmer, but kept
> eating like one. I suspect the same thing will happen to my dad when
> he stops farming.
> My mom only does farm labour in the summer (She's a teacher) but eats
> like a farmer all year and as a result, is over 200lbs.
> I am asthmatic and work at a desk a lot. There is no way in hell I
> can eat like that if I don't want to be super fat. But because it
> works for my dad, and used to work for my grandpa, they think I am not
> getting enough protein.
For the record, I was thinking about things like artherosclerosis and
high blood pressure, not what a measuring tape might tell you. But,
yeah - Yowie also brought this up. People who need lots of calories and
fat because they burn them up do need to eat that way. I work in an office
environment, and so do most people I know. Even people I know who do blue
collar labor don't work hard enough to burn up that much fat.
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Cheryl
They did a study years ago comparing Irish farm workers with their
brothers who emigrated to US cities. The Irish farm workers were
generally not overweight; those brothers who continued to eat like Irish
farm workers while doing more sedentary city work had problems!
I think Japanese-Americans, even if they aren't overweight, have a
different pattern of typical illnesses than Japanese living in Japan and
eating a traditional Japanese diet do, too.
Exercise, genetics, other medical problems and medication...they all
have effects on weight.
--
Cheryl
Jack Campin - bogus address
>> to dusk for 9 months of the year.
>> They are also from the planet of people who raise their own cattle
>> and hogs and so have a lot of meat around (and a lot of meat they
>> trade to the neighbours in exchange for fresh eggs).
>> TONS of vegetables, and is very fit for a man in his mid sixties.
> and high blood pressure, not what a measuring tape might tell you.
There was a very old study (about 50 years ago) which settled that
one decisively, looking at the lumberjacks of eastern Finland. Most
of their calories came from dairy fat, but they were some of the
fittest men in the world. Didn't do a thing to protect them from
heart disease: their incidence of it was one of the worst anywhere.
They didn't get fat, they just dropped down dead.
Jofirey
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changing.
Jo
bastX...@sonic.net
>> For the record, I was thinking about things like artherosclerosis
>> and high blood pressure, not what a measuring tape might tell you.
> There was a very old study (about 50 years ago) which settled that
> one decisively, looking at the lumberjacks of eastern Finland. Most
> of their calories came from dairy fat, but they were some of the
> fittest men in the world. Didn't do a thing to protect them from
> heart disease: their incidence of it was one of the worst anywhere.
> They didn't get fat, they just dropped down dead.
Well, if they had heart disease, I'd be pretty reluctant to call them
"fit". I *thought* that meant "in good physical shape", which generally
doesn't include someone who is about to drop dead of a heart attack.
The cause might not've been their diet, though. It could be that they
worked (or *were* worked) to death. Exercise is great for you, but the
body does have limits.
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the world.
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Jofirey
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My sister had a significant other drop dead from a heart attack less
than two weeks after passing a complete physical with flying colors.
He was forty years old. Anyone who knew him would have said he was
in great shape. Not all heart problems are apparent or easy to
diagnose. They are also not all the result of bad habits. We just
like to believe that our behavior has more impact on our lifespan
than is entirely true.
Jo
Cheryl
> My sister had a significant other drop dead from a heart attack less
> than two weeks after passing a complete physical with flying colors. He
> was forty years old. Anyone who knew him would have said he was in
> great shape. Not all heart problems are apparent or easy to diagnose.
> They are also not all the result of bad habits. We just like to believe
> that our behavior has more impact on our lifespan than is entirely true.
There's an extended local family some of whose members have an inherited
tendency to drop dead suddenly from heart attacks. For generations,
people just thought well, they don't make old bones, but eventually a
genetic researcher became interested and identified the problem and now
they can test to see who has inherited the faulty gene.
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Cheryl
bastX...@sonic.net
> My sister had a significant other drop dead from a heart attack less
> than two weeks after passing a complete physical with flying colors.
> He was forty years old. Anyone who knew him would have said he was
> in great shape. Not all heart problems are apparent or easy to
> diagnose. They are also not all the result of bad habits. We just
> like to believe that our behavior has more impact on our lifespan
> than is entirely true.
I agree completely! It's scary to acknowledge that a lot of it is up
to chance. Obviously, if you do a lot of risky things, your chances are
higher of having health problems. But I'm sure most of us can come up
with an example of someone who had what we'd consider to be the worst
lifestyle habits, yet lived to age 95. I knew a guy who smoked, ate bacon
and donuts and drank tons of coffee every day. He got lung cancer and was
given 6 months to live - but managed to survive another 5 years. And for
most of those years, he was well enough to travel, and to continue to eat
bacon, donutes, to smoke, etc. He only got very sick near the end. I used
to say that he was indestructible, and lord knows, he tried! :)
Joyce
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sky-blue carpet by a giant unseen cat.
-- Michael McGarel
Jack Campin - bogus address
> than two weeks after passing a complete physical with flying colors.
> He was forty years old. Anyone who knew him would have said he was
> in great shape. Not all heart problems are apparent or easy to
> diagnose. They are also not all the result of bad habits. We just
> like to believe that our behavior has more impact on our lifespan
> than is entirely true.
That was much like my father, who looked superbly fit (cycled to
work every day, same weight in his 60s as in his 20s) and dropped
dead of a heart attack at age 64 (he was just about to retire back
to England and was loading his furniture into a truck). He'd had
no warning signs at all.
I'm 60, have just had a minor heart attack and I was unusually fit
for my age too. (One of the doctors in the cardiology ward said
"you seem to be Mr Healthy, what are you doing here?"). The common
factor seems to be that neither of us paid much attention to the
fat content of our diets. My cholesterol level wasn't anything out
of the ordinary, but it must have been too high for me.
Stormmee
with health, bp. bg. weight or any number of things while there are general
guidelines, are not the same for everyone, and what you can tolerate say in
the way of meat i may need more or may have to avoid it altogether... and
that is why we can't judge others. Lee
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Sherry
> usually
> terminal, appears not to be an especially *painful* disease to suffer
> a fatal
> exit from. It is not the reason I quit smoking....which was that I
> might *live*
> in a state like many patients I worked on and several friends I knew,
> who
> had lung conditions from smoking so crippling it blew me away to visit
> them.
> I will say that if *I* was diagnosed with lung cancer I, like your
> friend, would
> be stuffing myself with bacon, donuts (haven't had a donut since
> about
> spring 2003!). I do drink much coffee, black, no sugar, but no
> smoking.
> Like, if you have lung cancer, WTF is bacon and donut fat gonna wreak?
> LOL.
> Unlike your friend, that disease usually takes its toll much sooner
> than 5 years.- Hide quoted text -
About the only vice I have left is Coca Cola, and I am very attached
to my
last remaining vice. Today I read that the powers that be are
considering
attaching a sin tax to it, much like alcholo and cigs. Because soft
drinks
(they say) cause Obesity, Diabetes and contribute to heart attacks.
I am feeling very put-upon by this. I hate coffee, the smell makes me
sick.
So the first thing I grab in the morning is a Coke.
So why not pick on the coffee drinkers -- it's got caffeiene too, and
add
enough cream and sugar and I daresay it's not much better than Coke.
What's next? Are they going to tax candy bars?
I haven't had a donut in nine years. I missed out on the whole Krispy
Kreme fad.
Sherry
bastX...@sonic.net
> About the only vice I have left is Coca Cola, and I am very attached
> to my
> last remaining vice. Today I read that the powers that be are
> considering
> attaching a sin tax to it, much like alcholo and cigs. Because soft
> drinks
> (they say) cause Obesity, Diabetes and contribute to heart attacks.
> I am feeling very put-upon by this. I hate coffee, the smell makes me
> sick.
> So the first thing I grab in the morning is a Coke.
> So why not pick on the coffee drinkers -- it's got caffeiene too, and
> add
> enough cream and sugar and I daresay it's not much better than Coke.
Why pick on anyone??
The only thing I do agree with is getting junk food out of schools.
That's something I'm happy to say I missed out on - I graduated high
school before they started putting vending machines in schools. We
had something called a "hot lunch program". :) It cost a quarter for
a balanced meal. OK, kids complained about the "mystery meat", etc,
but it really wasn't that bad.
Now kids are having chips and coke for lunch.
> I haven't had a donut in nine years. I missed out on the whole Krispy
> Kreme fad.
Me, too. I finally tried one a couple of years ago, when a Krispy Creme
place opened in the Bay Area. You should have seen the pandemonium over
that, similar to when the first Ikea opened up around here. :) Anyway,
I didn't really like them (the donuts) that much, to tell you the truth.
Joyce
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MLB
> you, the desire
> for ciggies lasted way, way longer than the donut interest. I never
> had a Krispy
> Kreme, ever, but AFAIC donuts are like poison - flour, sugar, and
> hydroginated
> fat....on probably much better tasting than poison, LOL.
> And what Joyce says about school food is true, at least where I lived.
> My high
> school was smack across the street from a bakery and every morning
> before I
> trudged across the street to school, I would spend 60 cents for a coke
> and a
> eclair from there and wolf it down. This went on for grades
> 8-12.Breakfast.
When I was in grades 5 and 6, if ever I had a nickel to spend, I would
go across the street from the school to a small grocery store and buy a
large dill pickle. What DELIGHT! mlb
Stormmee
machines, Lee
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Lesley
> Such a breakfast is not so bad if you are then going out to do some
> seriously hard physical labour (involving muscle strength and stamina) for
> the day as its all about protein and extremely long-lasting energy (fat).
>
Jim the Gardener needs a large fried breakfast and 2 big meals later
on in the day- his work is very physical obviously- he eats like a
horse and there's more meat on a butchers pencil than on him
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs