OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
---MIKE---
tasting liquids and eating nothing solid. Also, I am not getting to far
from the throne room! At least the cats are happy that I will be home
all day.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')
William Hamblen
wrote:
>The subject tells it all. Today I am consuming large quantities of vile
>tasting liquids and eating nothing solid. Also, I am not getting to far
>from the throne room! At least the cats are happy that I will be home
>all day.
This is one time when someone says you are full of it that you can
truthfully say that you are not.
Bud
Cheryl
If you chill the liquids it helps. Also a nurse told me about a drink
powder I could add to make the liquid more palatable...er, less
unpalatable, but that sort of thing you need to check out yourself.
Anyway, they often give good drugs on the day.
--
Cheryl
Smokie Darling (Annie)
From my own experience, prep is the worst part of the colonoscopy. I
had some vile "lemon/lime" flavor. Liquids the day before (white
liquids mind you), and 1/2 the bottle in the evening, the other 1/2
first thing in the morning ((((((shudder))))).
You have my sympathies on the prep. May the procedure go well for
you, and may you get an "all clear" reading.
Versed (conscious sedation) isn't bad, I remember the doc asking if
I'd like him to fluff my pillow for me, me saying, no it's fine, and
that was the end of my memory of the event (but I was technically
awake, they said).
MLB
Have a good night! MLB
Matthew
"---MIKE---" <twinmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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FORGIVE ME MIKE I HAD TO. anyone that has been through it knows what it is
to give a virgin a good ribbing
http://www.thedocisin.net/?p=13370
http://myjunkmail.blogspot.com/2009/01/colonoscopy-humor.html
Colonoscopies are no joke, but these comments during the exam were quite
humorous..... A physician claimed that the following are actual comments
made by his patients (predominately male) while he was performing their
colonoscopies:
1. "Take it easy, Doc. You're boldly going where no man has gone before!
2. "Find Amelia Earhart yet?"
3. "Can you hear me NOW?"
4. "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
5.. "You know, in Arkansas , we're now legally married."
6. "Any sign of the trapped miners, Chief?"
7. "You put your left hand in, you take your left hand out..."
8. "Hey! Now I know how a Muppet feels!"
9. "If your hand doesn't fit, you must quit!
10. "Hey Doc, let me know if you find my dignity."
11. "You used to be an executive at Enron, didn't you?"
12. "God, now I know why I am not gay."
And the best one of all..
13. "Could you write a note for my wife saying that my head is not up
there?"
I have to add one what no flowers doc you going farther than I go on
the first date ;-)
Smokie Darling (Annie)
wrote:
> "---MIKE---" <twinmount...@webtv.net> wrote in message
Nah, it's more like, "You better kiss me and buy me dinner first!"
---MIKE---
in a year and a half (my doctor still has a few boat payments to make).
I am about half way through the prep.
NettieCat
Good luck with it. I had an endoscopy a few years ago, and was careful
to ask if they used the same tubes going up as they use going down.
They assured me that they don't, and that everything is carefully
sterilised between patients. There was an elderly lady next to me who
was getting the 'going up' treatment, and she looked really miserable
about it, especially when she confided to me that it was her 70th
birthday.
Matthew
"---MIKE---" <twinmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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---MIKE---
>Mike can I ask why so many in the last
> 18 months
On the first one they removed three pollups that were "marginal" so the
doctor wanted to make sure everything was still OK.
Kyla `=^..^=`
"---MIKE---"
For the record, I am not a "virgin". This will be my third colonoscopy
in a year and a half (my doctor still has a few boat payments to make).
I am about half way through the prep.
Purrs for it to go well. I've had 4 and was awake for one of them and make
sure they knock you out. Best wishes. Hope this is your last one and they
find nothing wrong.
Kyla
Matthew
you are still clean
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Yowie
Matthew <iamacat...@proudtoserve.com> typed:
No list of colo-rectal humour is complete with the Colorectal Surgeon Song:
http://www.catsprn.com/colorectal_surgeon.htm
Yowie
Joy
be a relief. In case it isn't, best of luck. BTDT many times, and it's no
picnic. Sometimes I think the prep part is the worst.
--
Joy
Don't believe everything you think
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Joy
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***
What a way to spend a birthday! I went skydiving on my 70th.
Joy
Stormmee
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Have a wonderful day
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---MIKE---
to see me again in three years. The only discomfort (pain) was the
insertion of the IV. I have been ordered to take it easy the rest of
today.
MLB
Well, at least you won't have to keep trotting to the throne room today.
Did the polyps test OK? Best wishes. MLB
Stormmee
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Have a wonderful day
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Lesley
wrote:
> I have to add one what no flowers doc you going farther than I go on
> the first date ;-)
Or as Dave said when he had a rectal :"What's wrong with starting with
a little kiss?"
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Granby
I have heard people talk about their choice of drugs for tests and such but
never really understood until my heart attack. Now, if asked, I would have
to say my choice of drug would be morphine (?). I was filling up with
fluid and my heart was pounding like an old old oil well. They said they
were going to give me something and the next thing I knew it was like warm
syrup running all through my veins. Then, they gave me lasix and ruined the
whole thing!
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Lesley
Then, they gave me lasix and ruined the
> whole thing!
Years ago my mum decided that I didn't have puppy fat I had "water
retention" and she got her hands on some Lasix from a friend of hers
and made me take it as this was the weekend when my dad was
redecorating the bathroom and the toilet was disconnected from the
water supply I suspect it was an act of sadism on her part
Granby
your veins. Next day they gave me potassium all day.
"Lesley" <LMad...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in message
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MLB
> On Nov 20, 1:13 pm, "Granby" <s...@joink.com> wrote:
>> If you think the pills wee fun, you should do the stuff they run through
>>
>> news:d64e5f10-dcf6-4ba3...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 20, 3:12 am, "Granby" <s...@joink.com> wrote:
>> Then, they gave me lasix and ruined the
>>
>>> whole thing!
>> Years ago my mum decided that I didn't have puppy fat I had "water
>> retention" and she got her hands on some Lasix from a friend of hers
>> and made me take it as this was the weekend when my dad was
>> redecorating the bathroom and the toilet was disconnected from the
>> water supply I suspect it was an act of sadism on her part
>>
>> Lesley
>>
>> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
>
> And all these many years, I held a grudge...beyond the grave...to my
> mother for shoving *butter* down my throat at 3am to attempt to lower
> my 108oF fever when I had the Asian flu at age 15, instead of getting
> a doctor! Your mum tops that.I am glad you survived to be with us.
> one AFAIC.
108 degree temp? You are lucky to be here. It would be interesting if
there were a way to go back and check some mothers' IQs.When I think of
some things my mother did, I wonder! MLB
Matthew
"hopitus" <hop...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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My parents were just dumb. Father a mountain man from Tenn. hills, 7
of his
siblings died when he was 17, including his fave 15-year-old bro, from
typhoid
fever spreed by their family's cistern well (12 kids,2 adults). Mother
from the
LA delta 'Cajun towns where they wouldn't know a doctor if one ran
them over.
Today they call it criminal negligence. People like this are still
raising kids, but
many of them landed here from foreign countries with lower living
standards.
Which leads to a current, up-to-the-minute health care argument which
I refuse
to enter here.
We just lost a family member a couple weeks ago due to stupid stubborn
mountain idiocy. He had the Flu ( not swine) so bad that it went to his
heart. He refused to go to the doctor or hospital even though he was laid up
in the bed barely able to breathe. The true stupid thing; which I think
their side of family is looking at charges to be pressed or should, is that
his wife is a long time Nurse and did not call 911 or the doctor because he
said not to that he was fine. The worse thing is that their son is a doctor
and was away. He found out that his father was sick than died. He was irate
that no one called him or a doctor. He said dam his father's pride he would
have been in the ER. If he had to drag him there.
My friend May he rest in peace pasted away a couple months ago due to
lung cancer. The doctor told him to stop smoking that if he did not stop
the chemo he needed would not work. He refused still went through the
treatments. He died a few weeks later. May he rest in peace but I have no
sympathy for or his wife; she knew but ignored the situation.
Mountain pride as it is called I would love to take a baseball bat to
them and people like that. Ignorant pride needs to be beaten out of people
IMO plain and simple.
Matthew
On Nov 20, 3:30 pm, "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com>
wrote:
> "hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
But it is how they were raised. I met both sides during travel when I
was younger.
Both, in different ways, were among the finest people I ever met. All
distant and
not-so-distant cuzzins whom I enjoyed thoroughly. They just lead much
more
simple lives than we do. We citified kin have gained so much more in
knowledge
and utilization of the modern innovations....but we've lost a few
things of value
they still respect, IMHO.
BTW Matt I have some friends, not relatives, from Bowling Green rural
area, who
I value highly as longtime pals in Miami. Mountain pride is not all a
bad thing
socially. I have had some of the best times of my life with these
friends.
Not what I meant my friend. There is major difference in Mountain pride and
mountain stubborn pride which is what I meant. My apologies for the
misunderstanding. These people I mentioned were citified country people who
knew better but their mountain stubborn pride got in the way. No excuse for
them they all knew better.
I do miss the simple ways and the fun we had. What you can do with stick,
safety pin and some string but would I take it over having healthcare and
veterinary care close by in case of emergency. Never again
I have talked with Mom about going back to Kentucky to our family farm and
living there again but we both agreed it would probably kills us to keep up
with it ;-)
bastX...@sonic.net
> hopitus wrote:
>> OMG that drug has some very unpleasant plus dangerous side effects.
>> And all these many years, I held a grudge...beyond the grave...to my
>> mother for shoving *butter* down my throat at 3am to attempt to lower
>> my 108oF fever when I had the Asian flu at age 15, instead of getting
>> a doctor! Your mum tops that.I am glad you survived to be with us.
>> one AFAIC.
> 108 degree temp? You are lucky to be here. It would be interesting if
> there were a way to go back and check some mothers' IQs.When I think of
> some things my mother did, I wonder! MLB
Hops is confused. 108 wasn't her temp, it was her mom's IQ. :)
(Seriously, I think she was exaggerating. 108F temp = dead. Most people
can't even survive 106.) (Metric conversion: 108F = 42.2C, 106 = 41.1.)
Joyce
--
Taxes: Money you complain about giving the government, to pay for
services whose absence you would complain about.
-- John O'Hanlon
MLB
> MLB wrote:
>
> > hopitus wrote:
>
> >> OMG that drug has some very unpleasant plus dangerous side effects.
> >> And all these many years, I held a grudge...beyond the grave...to my
> >> mother for shoving *butter* down my throat at 3am to attempt to lower
> >> my 108oF fever when I had the Asian flu at age 15, instead of getting
> >> a doctor! Your mum tops that.I am glad you survived to be with us.
> >> one AFAIC.
>
> > 108 degree temp? You are lucky to be here. It would be interesting if
> > there were a way to go back and check some mothers' IQs.When I think of
> > some things my mother did, I wonder! MLB
>
> Hops is confused. 108 wasn't her temp, it was her mom's IQ. :)
>
> (Seriously, I think she was exaggerating. 108F temp = dead. Most people
> can't even survive 106.) (Metric conversion: 108F = 42.2C, 106 = 41.1.)
>
> Joyce
>
A 108 IQ is in the range of average It was probably an exaggeration to
say it was 108 temperature. MLB
bastX...@sonic.net
> bastX...@sonic.net wrote:
>> Hops is confused. 108 wasn't her temp, it was her mom's IQ. :)
>>
>> (Seriously, I think she was exaggerating. 108F temp = dead. Most people
>> can't even survive 106.) (Metric conversion: 108F = 42.2C, 106 = 41.1.)
> A 108 IQ is in the range of average It was probably an exaggeration to
> say it was 108 temperature. MLB
You're kidding. That doesn't sound right to me (about the IQ). I'm not
going to swear by it because I'm not sure, but that seems pretty low
to me. Mine is quite a bit above that and I am hardly a genius.
I don't actually know what the different range cut-offs are, though -
what is considered developmentally disabled, what's average, and what's
genius? And then, of course, the IQ only tells a little bit about a
person's intelligence - there's usually a lot more to it than just how
well a person performs on logic, computation and language tests. I'm
not saying it's completely invalid - it's the truth, but not the whole
truth.
There's also the "EQ" - the emotional intelligence. It certainly plays
an important role in a person's overall intelligence, as much if not more
than the IQ. Mine is rather low, I have to admit. :-O (I don't have a
number, but from how it's described, I can tell that I wouldn't do very
well.) And whatever skills I do have in that area, I've gotten *during
my adulthood* by consciously working at it. Lord knows I was let loose
on the world as a young adult with hardly any skills to navigate the
social universe!
Joyce
--
The sun rose slowly, like a fiery furball coughed up uneasily onto a
sky-blue carpet by a giant unseen cat.
-- Michael McGarel
MLB
The IQ shows what one is capable of (presumably) not what has been
achieved. It, as you say, is more complex than that. A genius can
still be a bum (or worse). I did look it up before I replied, just to
see if I remembered correctly == it has been a long time since I
thought about it. There must be an old saying about this -- something
like the harder you work (study) the smarter you get. Best wishes. MLB
Cheryl
> We just lost a family member a couple weeks ago due to stupid stubborn
> mountain idiocy. He had the Flu ( not swine) so bad that it went to his
> heart. He refused to go to the doctor or hospital even though he was laid up
> in the bed barely able to breathe. The true stupid thing; which I think
> their side of family is looking at charges to be pressed or should, is that
> his wife is a long time Nurse and did not call 911 or the doctor because he
> said not to that he was fine. The worse thing is that their son is a doctor
> and was away. He found out that his father was sick than died. He was irate
> that no one called him or a doctor. He said dam his father's pride he would
> have been in the ER. If he had to drag him there.
>
> My friend May he rest in peace pasted away a couple months ago due to
> lung cancer. The doctor told him to stop smoking that if he did not stop
> the chemo he needed would not work. He refused still went through the
> treatments. He died a few weeks later. May he rest in peace but I have no
> sympathy for or his wife; she knew but ignored the situation.
>
> Mountain pride as it is called I would love to take a baseball bat to
> them and people like that. Ignorant pride needs to be beaten out of people
> IMO plain and simple.
>
>
It's not limited to mountains, and people do have the right to refuse to
see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, even if they die as a
result.
Mind you, most won't. When the mother of a friend of mine was in her
last illness, she was reluctant to consult a doctor, and of course,
since she was conscious and in her right mind, the ambulance attendance
wouldn't take her unless she consented. Her daughter finally said "Do
you want to put me through the same thing X (a close friend who refused
to get medical treatment) put you through?" and she went, although the
emergency surgery that followed revealed terminal cancer, and she never
woke up after the operation.
If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their
choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or
should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless,
of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds).
It's a very serious (and usually pointless) thing to do to *force*
someone to quit smoking or see a doctor and follow directions. Suggest,
urge, persuade them to, yes. But ultimately the decision is theirs.
--
Cheryl
Cheryl
> You're kidding. That doesn't sound right to me (about the IQ). I'm not
> going to swear by it because I'm not sure, but that seems pretty low
> to me. Mine is quite a bit above that and I am hardly a genius.
>
> I don't actually know what the different range cut-offs are, though -
> what is considered developmentally disabled, what's average, and what's
> genius? And then, of course, the IQ only tells a little bit about a
> person's intelligence - there's usually a lot more to it than just how
> well a person performs on logic, computation and language tests. I'm
> not saying it's completely invalid - it's the truth, but not the whole
> truth.
>
> There's also the "EQ" - the emotional intelligence. It certainly plays
> an important role in a person's overall intelligence, as much if not more
> than the IQ. Mine is rather low, I have to admit. :-O (I don't have a
> number, but from how it's described, I can tell that I wouldn't do very
> well.) And whatever skills I do have in that area, I've gotten *during
> my adulthood* by consciously working at it. Lord knows I was let loose
> on the world as a young adult with hardly any skills to navigate the
> social universe!
>
IQ tests are designed to produce a normal distribution, which means IQ
tests are usually designed to have an average score of 100, with 68% of
the population scoring between 85-115. They were originally invented to
identify developmentally delayed children, and you can find lists of
exactly which scores were considered to represent which level of
disability (or ability, on the other end). I expect nowadays children
who don't seem to be doing well are tested in a variety of ways to try
to figure out just what their problems are.
As you point out, IQ tests don't cover all of what 'intelligence' is now
understood to include. It can predict school achievement - but so can so
many other characteristics that people often combine them in studies
instead of using just one. And even when much more weight was put on IQ
testing than is now, there were 'underachievers' who did worse in school
than predicted by their IQ score, and 'overachievers' who did better in
school than predicted by their IQ score. So IQ is definitely not the be
all and end all of intelligence testing - but people still seem
fascinated by it.
--
Cheryl
Granby
difference. Believe me I know. Been there, ignored that.
"Cheryl" <cper...@mun.ca> wrote in message
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Lesley
>
> If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their
> choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or
> should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless,
> of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds).
Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and
getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost
the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were
watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind
and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital
and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron
district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a
moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here
for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be
doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him
off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically
grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on
the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in
August....2007
Matthew
Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
warcry
here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.
This thread now looks like "analyzing" to me...and you know how I feel
about assuming what is in other people's heads. Or trying to.
I know some cyber friends and a lot more RL ones who proudly have
their membership in Mensa closely meshed with their self-esteem, and
who don't have the common sense of my Snaggly, who knows to go hide
when he has knocked my front drapes off their support by snatching at
them as his 28# feline self slides down the sloped rear of my big old
analog tv set. Snaggly, though a cat, *reeks* with common sense.
Sorry, I can't go along with the notion you can *force* anyone to quit
smoking.
It's an addiction, just like other addictions and only the afflicted
can stop it.
An attempt to end the analyzing of i.q. influence - A.Hitler's
reported as 140-141.
I have refused, just from orneriness, at the urging of those Mensa
friends, to find
out what mine is or was.
I had a possible employee interview once that was a mensa member. He
proudly said he was a mensa member on his appilication. I thought to my
self what a joke when I looked at his math part of the test for a cashier.
I asked him why he failed the math part.
Simple question I hand you $10.37 The bill is $8.78 What is the
change? answer $1.59
I hand you 3 more dollars and ask for you to break it down into quarters
before you give me my change. How many quarters is that in total?. He could
not answer that. The answer is 18
Oh let me add this was a timed test of 5 minutes to answer 25 questions.
Most were like How many dimes in a $5.00 roll of dimes. It was designed to
be quick so I knew who had basic math skill.
Joy
It is impossible to force someone to quit smoking unless you lock them up.
I tried to get my husband to quit smoking from the time we were married.
When his mother quit smoking a few years later, I pushed him again to quit,
so he did. Or so I thought. He'd come home from work smelling of smoke and
say it was because others smoked around him. It wasn't until he was
diagnosed with the lung cancer that eventually killed him that he admitted
he had been smoking at work. He did quit then, but it was too late.
Joy
Joy
Actually, it can't even predict school achievement. If a student is bored
with the work, s/he may not do it, or may do very little of it, while
pursuing other interests. When I entered what was then called a junior
college (now they're called community colleges), my counselor was surprised
that I wasn't a straight 'A' student. I probably had a 'B' average, but
there was one class in which I spent the entire period reading library
books. There were a lot of noisy, disruptive kids in that class, and the
teacher gave me an 'A', not because I earned it, but because I didn't give
her a bad time.
IQ tests also don't test one of the things that is most important for
leading a full, happy and productive life (IMNSHO) - people skills. I met
many people in Mensa who have very poor people skills.
Very few highly intelligent people because wealthy or successful in the
business world, mainly because they can't be bothered to concentrate on one
thing. Instead, they pursue a variety of interests and seldom excel at any
of them.
Joy
Joy
On Nov 21, 10:44 am, Lesley <LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote:
Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
warcry
here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.
This thread now looks like "analyzing" to me...and you know how I feel
about assuming what is in other people's heads. Or trying to.
I know some cyber friends and a lot more RL ones who proudly have
their membership in Mensa closely meshed with their self-esteem, and
who don't have the common sense of my Snaggly, who knows to go hide
when he has knocked my front drapes off their support by snatching at
them as his 28# feline self slides down the sloped rear of my big old
analog tv set. Snaggly, though a cat, *reeks* with common sense.
Sorry, I can't go along with the notion you can *force* anyone to quit
smoking.
It's an addiction, just like other addictions and only the afflicted
can stop it.
An attempt to end the analyzing of i.q. influence - A.Hitler's
reported as 140-141.
I have refused, just from orneriness, at the urging of those Mensa
friends, to find
out what mine is or was.
***
You're right about the common sense. That's another quality I forgot to
mention in my previous post. Unfortunately, many Mensans lack it.
All IQ tests really measure is one's ability to take that type of test.
Joy
moonglow minnow
> Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
> warcry
> here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.
No offense intended here, but Medicare *is* socialized medicine.
Everyone pays into the system, everyone (over a certain age at this
point) benefits from the system. The VA and Medicaid are also forms of
socialized medicine. Any system has its flaws. The flaw of the US system
is that, were they here, Lesley and Dave would be bankrupt and unable to
afford follow up care at all.
Currently I'm a bit upset that I'm having health issues to the extent
that I cannot pull my own weight in my own household, let alone the
outside world, and we can't afford to figure out why it's happening,
much less get it treated. I also have a pituitary tumor that we can't
afford the medicine to treat. But we make too much for Medicaid (which
covers very little and very grudgingly) and too little to afford private
health insurance so we're stuck, and I may well become a statistic - one
of the people who dies in the US because of a lack of insurance.
Maeve >^..^<
--
http://moonglowminnow.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/minnow/
bastX...@sonic.net
> Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
> warcry here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.
Newsflash, Hops - **Medicare is a form of socialism**. The population
is taxed to create a fund so that everyone who needs it can receive a
benefit from the government. How is that not a socialist concept?
I saw a photo of a demonstration from one of those idiotic "teabagger"
parties (non-USA'ans: you don't want to know!) where someone carried a
sign that actually said: "Keep your socialist paws off my Medicare".
WOW. Some people are totally unclear on the concept.
No offense Hops, you know I like you. But SOCIAL PROGRAMS, such as
Medicare and Social Security, not to mention public schools, public
libraries, police forces and fire departments, are all very much
examples of socialism.
Joyce
(Medicare: gov't subsidizing of health care for the elderly; Social
Security: a fund gathered from income taxes to provide monthly living
expenses for elderly retired people. The "keep your socialist paws
off Medicare" comment was a response to one of the ideas being bounced
around for a universal health care program: expand the already existing
Medicare program so that everyone, not just the elderly, can have it.)
Joyce
--
Taxes: Money you complain about giving the government, to pay for
services whose absence you would complain about.
-- John O'Hanlon
(Yes, I chose this sig on purpose - JW)
bastX...@sonic.net
> ROFL. Snaggly in spite of his commen sense and non-Mensa status, dos
> not have basic math skills.
I'm sure he makes up for all of it with cuteness! Do you have a photo
of him online?
Joyce
--
If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we
wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people
calling other people to stammer that they loved them.
-- Christopher Morley
bastX...@sonic.net
> Actually, it can't even predict school achievement. If a student is bored
> with the work, s/he may not do it, or may do very little of it, while
> pursuing other interests.
When I was growing up, my problem in school wasn't so much boredom as
emotional problems. I was too anxious and distracted to pay attention
in school, so I was a pretty mediocre student - lots of Bs and Cs. Back
then, nobody looked at kids like me and recognized that there might be
emotional issues needing to be addressed - instead, I was just seen as
a slacker who daydreamed all the time. On the other hand, I might've
dodged a bullet. If I were growing up now, someone would probably
investigate my family life, and next thing you know, I'm in foster care.
Bad as my family life was, foster care would have been much worse!!
> When I entered what was then called a junior
> college (now they're called community colleges), my counselor was surprised
> that I wasn't a straight 'A' student. I probably had a 'B' average, but
> there was one class in which I spent the entire period reading library
> books. There were a lot of noisy, disruptive kids in that class, and the
> teacher gave me an 'A', not because I earned it, but because I didn't give
> her a bad time.
Wow. Now that's a seriously incompetent teacher...
> IQ tests also don't test one of the things that is most important for
> leading a full, happy and productive life (IMNSHO) - people skills. I met
> many people in Mensa who have very poor people skills.
Exactly. That's what I was talking about when I mentioned "EQ" (so-called
emotional intelligence).
> Very few highly intelligent people because wealthy or successful in the
> business world, mainly because they can't be bothered to concentrate on one
> thing. Instead, they pursue a variety of interests and seldom excel at any
> of them.
That's *exactly* what I'm like - I can do a decent job of many different
things, but I don't excel at very much. I've never thought this was a sign
of intelligence, though - more like a lack of discipline, poor frustration
tolerance, etc. I used to feel bad about this, like I hadn't accomplished
anything impressive. But the truth is, I really enjoy all my interests.
So what's the harm?
bastX...@sonic.net
> You're right about the common sense. That's another quality I forgot to
> mention in my previous post. Unfortunately, many Mensans lack it.
There are many different kinds of intelligence, and I don't think one
kind is necessarily more valuable than another. Sure, some people are
brilliant at abstract ideas but wouldn't have a clue how to solve an
everyday problem, but we need good abstract thinkers, too. Einstein
was thought to be mentally disabled in school, and as an adult he worked
in a patent office before going on to revolutionize the study of physics.
Takes all types, you know?
> All IQ tests really measure is one's ability to take that type of test.
I wouldn't go that far. The tests are constructed to measure certain
abilities, which I think are valuable. They're just very limited, and
they don't measure a whole lot of important abilities that contribute
to a very diverse and complex picture of what human intelligence is.
Each piece is valuable, though.
moonglow minnow
> My point is this:
> If I had a rare tumor like you do of the pituitary, I would present
> myself and my tumor at
> the nearest large teaching hospital in my area, as I am fairly
> positive some cranial s[ecialist
> would be jumping at the chance to not only study it, but offer its
> removal with you as a
> "forensic patient". You would be surprised at how quick hospital
> accounts waive any accessory
> fees involved when their forensic attendings (teaching docs, not the
> students) are talking. I
> seriously doubt that by this time such surgery is
> "experimental"....just rare enough to maybe
> do you some financial good.
The type of tumor I have is actually relatively common, and usually not
removed unless it's large enough to be squishing things. Mine isn't that
big as of the last (really really expensive) check, but we can't afford
the standard meds that keep it from getting bigger and in some cases
even shrink pituitary tumors. Even though it's old enough to be in
generic. We can't afford the proper re-check either, as we're still
paying off the last one.
The tumor isn't going to kill me, at least not without causing other
distinctive problems first, but the things that we can't afford to track
down (and can't afford to not track down...) might. Or they might just
keep me mostly housebound and miserable and unable to contribute to
society. I'm not sure which would be worse.
Cheryl
It's a predictor of school acheivement - just not a very good one,
particularly when used alone.
Actually, the best predictor of future school performance is past school
performance, which is kind of circular. But it's better than the usual
combinations of IQ, test scores, family background (income, books at
home, interest from parents etc), school characteristics etc.
> IQ tests also don't test one of the things that is most important for
> leading a full, happy and productive life (IMNSHO) - people skills. I met
> many people in Mensa who have very poor people skills.
>
> Very few highly intelligent people because wealthy or successful in the
> business world, mainly because they can't be bothered to concentrate on one
> thing. Instead, they pursue a variety of interests and seldom excel at any
> of them.
I'd disagree with you here. There are some formidably intelligent people
who are successful in all kinds of areas. Whether they all have top IQ
scores, I don't know, but they're probably well above average - AND they
work hard and do well. IQ alone doesn't guarantee a thing - including
that the holder of a very high IQ won't concentrate on one thing long
enough to excel in it.
--
Cheryl
Joy
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There's absolutely no harm in enjoying a multitude of interests. It may not
be a sign of intelligence, per se, but it does generally seem to be highly
intelligent people who have a variety of interests. It is also true, in my
experience at least, that people with a variety of interests are the most
interesting to talk to.
Joy
Joy
The people you mention are a tiny minority of highly intelligent people.
You're right that IQ alone doesn't guarantee anything.
One reason I don't think IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence is that
my Dad was probably the smartest person I've ever met, but he would have
scored fairly low on such a test because he was a slow reader, and because
he was meticulous about everything being done right. IQ tests are timed,
and slow reading plus double-checking each answer would mean that many of
the questions in each section would go unanswered, resulting in a low score.
Like many highly intelligent people, my Dad had a large variety of
interests. However, he did usually concentrate on one at a time. At one
point he became interested in rock-hounding. We would go camping in the
Mojave desert and he would dig up agate. Later, he decided to make jewelry
out of the agate he found. He used standard tools to cut and polish the
stones, but he designed his own punches to make designs in the settings.
Some of them were quite intricate.
Many years later, he became interested in repairing and restoring antique
clocks. He made many of the parts he used to repair the clocks. My
siblings and I each have one of the clocks he restored. At the time he
died, he had gotten rid of a lot of the clocks he had repaired, but my
mother was left with 14 of them.
When he was interested in Bonsai trees, he gradually accumulated them until
he had 700 trees.
So yes, he was highly skilled at many things, but his greatest achievements
in a given area came when he concentrated on that interest to the exclusion
of others.
Joy
Joy
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He was. He was also extremely talented. I still have a bookcase he built
for me about 50 years ago.
Joy
bastX...@sonic.net
> On Nov 21, 3:52?pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
>> hopitus wrote:
>>
>> ?> ROFL. Snaggly in spite of his commen sense and non-Mensa status, dos
>> ?> not have basic math skills.>
>> I'm sure he makes up for all of it with cuteness! Do you have a photo
>> of him online?
>> Joyce
> No. Have only had Snag since May this year. I have found a couple pics
> which I am showing you the links for...Snaggly came from the local
> animal control shelter. I consulted some people I know and my
> suspicions were what they agreed on (though Snag chose *me* when I
> was in his cage area to look at a different cat) he is a
> nondeterminate
> age, weighs 28#, and look closely at the photo examples of his breed.
> He is all gray and has no "mitts" (white feet) nor any white on his
> bod.
> He is a blue-point ragdoll. He may be pedigreed but who cares?
> http://animal.discovery.com/breedselector/catprofile.do?id=3090
> Snaggly's eyes are light blue/ Gray paws not white.
> If you are interested is what ragdolls are like, see Cat Fanciers of
> America website
> and click on ragdoll under "breeds".
Oh, he's a really elegant cat if he looks like those guys. The
name "Snaggly" made me think of "Snagglepuss", remember that cartoon?
Kind of a scruffy street cat. That's what I was picturing. :)
I saw a show about ragdolls, actually it was on Animal Planet.
Apparently they're a very sociable, human-friendly breed.
Joyce
--
Who ever thought up the word "Mammogram"? Every time I hear it, I think
I'm supposed to put my breast in an envelope and send it to someone.
-- Jan King
Cheryl
> The people you mention are a tiny minority of highly intelligent people.
> You're right that IQ alone doesn't guarantee anything.
Well - I don't agree, but I don't have any sources for my claim that
there are lots of intelligent people who do well in life. Do you have
for the claim that only a tiny minority do? We'd have to agree on a
definition of 'intelligence' first, of course, and I think we're agreed
that IQ score alone isn't it. That complicates the hunt for evidence.
I bet someone's studied the question though. If I remember when I'm at a
better computer and have a bit of time I might do some digging.
> One reason I don't think IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence is that
> my Dad was probably the smartest person I've ever met, but he would have
> scored fairly low on such a test because he was a slow reader, and because
> he was meticulous about everything being done right. IQ tests are timed,
> and slow reading plus double-checking each answer would mean that many of
> the questions in each section would go unanswered, resulting in a low score.
I never said IQ alone was a good measure of intelligence - but one
aspect of intelligence is the ability to think things through quickly.
Of course, unusually poor or good reading skills can affect the ability
to measure that, as you say.
> Like many highly intelligent people, my Dad had a large variety of
> interests. However, he did usually concentrate on one at a time. At one
> point he became interested in rock-hounding. We would go camping in the
> Mojave desert and he would dig up agate. Later, he decided to make jewelry
> out of the agate he found. He used standard tools to cut and polish the
> stones, but he designed his own punches to make designs in the settings.
> Some of them were quite intricate.
> Many years later, he became interested in repairing and restoring antique
> clocks. He made many of the parts he used to repair the clocks. My
> siblings and I each have one of the clocks he restored. At the time he
> died, he had gotten rid of a lot of the clocks he had repaired, but my
> mother was left with 14 of them.
>
> When he was interested in Bonsai trees, he gradually accumulated them until
> he had 700 trees.
>
> So yes, he was highly skilled at many things, but his greatest achievements
> in a given area came when he concentrated on that interest to the exclusion
> of others.
I'm also not sure that becoming interested in different things is
necessarily a sign of intelligence. It seems likely to me that it would
be tied to other aspects of personality, such as attentiveness,
persistance and curiosity. Some brilliant people have very narrow interests.
--
Cheryl
Lesley
. IQ tests are timed,
> and slow reading plus double-checking each answer would mean that many of
> the questions in each section would go unanswered, resulting in a low score.
The timing was what made me fail my 11+ (My age really showing there!)
in the mock I was told I might have passed but no examiner would be
able to read my writing so in the real thing I had to be so slow to
make sure my writing was okay I didn't finish it.
>
> Like many highly intelligent people, my Dad had a large variety of
> interests. However, he did usually concentrate on one at a time.
He sounds like my dad- when I was a kid he decided to learn the piano
and got himself to concert standard, he'd practice for hours every
night. Then it was photography for a time then showing rabbits then
something else then gardening then something else then golf and in his
last years photography again and when he was into these things he did
little else when he was into photography each time he spent all his
spare money getting the best equipment he could- after he died we
found 5 state of the art SLR cameras with all the additional lenses
and bits.
He was also amazingly good at painting and decorating (when he first
left National Service he and a friend set themselves up doing that but
then he accidentally (his version) on purpose (mum's version) knocked
a tennis ball into the garden next door but one where a certain Rose
Maynard was sunbathing....next thing he's got a mortgage to save up
for then a wedding then a baby (me) on the way so he had to get
something with a steady wage) he rewired the house (the last thing he
was reading before he died with the Newnes electrical engineering
book) he once got his hands on a Jaguar (car before anyone wonders
what I am talking about) where some idiot had so damaged the gear box
and the engine that it was only fit to be sold for scrap and he
repaired and replaced everything himself (used to service all the cars
for my aunts and uncles and fix them to) as well as being well read-
he was bright but his education was somewhat disrupted by WW2 so he
was entirely self taught
Lesley
wrote:
I thought to my
> self what a joke when I looked at his math part of the test for a cashier.
> I asked him why he failed the math part.
>
An old friend of mine had an MSc in pure mathematics but he couldn't
add and subtract anything like as fast as this 0 level maths failure
could
Lesley
wrote:
The flaw of the US system
> is that, were they here, Lesley and Dave would be bankrupt and unable to
> afford follow up care at all.
>
having a problem with one or two bad district nurses but most of them
are okay and now we've finally got in touch with someone in charge
things are back on track. The problem is every NHS Trust has a budget
and it's a sad fact certain services recieve less cash and it won't be
the "higher profile" ones like sick kiddies or cancer services. But I
still think the NHS is a great organisation it's just like any big
organisation (3rd biggest employee in the World apparently) it's not
perfect but at least people don't die for lack of insurance
moonglow minnow
> For everyone...I never thought about Medicare a social service but
> yeah,
> as you point out, it is. See, in my mind, since you pay for, by
> paycheck
> deduction tax, future Medicare benefits, in my mind that was not equal
> to social services like Medicaid, welfare, and food stamps, for which
> the recipients of such contribute *nothing* at all, so to me that
> would
> be "sucking off the government/state". But the deal is *other people*
> are paying for the recipients' benefits!
With the way the system works now, anyone who is not disabled (and too
many people who are disabled, including military veterans) get their
benefits cut off after a certain point. So in reality, most people use
these services as a stopgap to get themselves back into productive
society, and ultimately do end up paying for the services they use
through taxes - just not at the time they're using them.
> My mind boggled and went into freeze mode reading about Lesley's
> horror story of sadistic stupid pseudo nurses in UK ripping off
> bandages
> embedded in scabs. That actually gave me a touch of nausea to read.
Unfortunately, incidents like that are not isolated to countries with
socialized medicine, and happen just as frequently here in the US. Our
medical care being the most expensive in the world doesn't make it the
best, I'm afraid.
bastX...@sonic.net
> An old friend of mine had an MSc in pure mathematics but he couldn't
> add and subtract anything like as fast as this 0 level maths failure
> could
I'm the same way. In college I did extremely well in the theoretical
math courses where you learned about algebraic systems, and proved
theorems, etc, but I'm so-so at basic arithmetic. I'm one of those
people who got an A in abstract algebra but can barely balance my
checkbook. :) They're really not the same kind of skill at all.
Of course, people who believe that "good, old-fashioned, down-to-earth
common sense" is the only valid kind of intelligence will probably roll
their eyes at my head-in-the-clouds type of intelligence, but I think
it's an important balance and wouldn't sacrifice either type.
Cheryl
> For everyone...I never thought about Medicare a social service but
> yeah,
> as you point out, it is. See, in my mind, since you pay for, by
> paycheck
> deduction tax, future Medicare benefits, in my mind that was not equal
> to social services like Medicaid, welfare, and food stamps, for which
> the recipients of such contribute *nothing* at all, so to me that
> would
> be "sucking off the government/state". But the deal is *other people*
> are paying for the recipients' benefits!
Sometimes. Sometimes people are on our equivalent to your welfare for
short periods of time, and pay in before and afterwards. Sometimes they
are incapable of working anyway, for one reason or another. And of
course, you do get a certain number of crooks scamming the system.
But it's the same with medicare (Canadian version, public health care)>
Some of us pay in all our lives, and never get our money's worth because
we're generally healthy when alive and die quickly in an accident or
very sudden fatal illness. Others have chronic illnesses all their
lives, or even one lengthy illness, and use up all the medical care
they've paid for through their taxes and some paid for by the healthy
lot as well.
And there's some government services I'd just as soon not experience
personally but don't mind paying for. The prison system. Roads to remote
communities I never intend to visit. A visit from the fire department.
Education for the children of other people, who I hope will grow up to
be good citizens and get jobs that I'm going to need to have done.
--
Cheryl
bastX...@sonic.net
> For everyone...I never thought about Medicare a social service but
> yeah,
> as you point out, it is. See, in my mind, since you pay for, by
> paycheck
> deduction tax, future Medicare benefits, in my mind that was not equal
> to social services like Medicaid, welfare, and food stamps, for which
> the recipients of such contribute *nothing* at all, so to me that
> would
> be "sucking off the government/state". But the deal is *other people*
> are paying for the recipients' benefits!
Well, first of all, if you die before you can collect Medicare, then
you *have* been paying for benefits that other people will collect. :)
But also, what makes you so sure you will never need welfare or Medicaid?
I have a well-paying job and I live pretty well, but the truth is that
I'm one layoff plus one bad illness away from destitution, as are many
middle-class people. I'm grateful that I'm not poor enough to need
welfare or food stamps, meager as they are. But my future isn't guaranteed,
and I would really like that safety net to be there for *me* if I should
ever need it.
bastX...@sonic.net
> And there's some government services I'd just as soon not experience
> personally but don't mind paying for. The prison system. Roads to remote
> communities I never intend to visit. A visit from the fire department.
> Education for the children of other people, who I hope will grow up to
> be good citizens and get jobs that I'm going to need to have done.
Well said! I support social programs for very selfish reasons as well
as for reasons related to morality and justice. I don't want to continue
living in a society that has a large underclass of badly educated, angry
people ready to commit crimes at my expense. The bad neighborhoods aren't
so far away from me. We all have to live in the same communities, so why
not do something to make them better for everyone?
I think most of us would agree that it's pretty short-sighted to say
"I don't have any kids, so why should I pay taxes for schools?" But not
wanting to pay for other people's health benefits is no different.
Cheryl
<snip>
> I think most of us would agree that it's pretty short-sighted to say
> "I don't have any kids, so why should I pay taxes for schools?" But not
> wanting to pay for other people's health benefits is no different.
We used to have a separate school tax, until the provincial government
(education is a provincial, not federal or local, responsibility here)
decided it was too expensive to administer and took the money out of
general tax revenues instead.
I was astonished at the number of people who said things like "My kids
are all grown up" or "I don't have any kids", and therefore "why should
I pay the school tax?"
I WANT lots of well-educated police officers and administrators and
scientists and clerks and nurses and doctors and even politicians when
my generation gets too old to work!
--
Cheryl
William Hamblen
<LMad...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote:
>An old friend of mine had an MSc in pure mathematics but he couldn't
>add and subtract anything like as fast as this 0 level maths failure
>could
Skill in mathematics is different from skill in adding and
subtracting. But like everything else, skill in math improves with
practice. I think people who hated math in school weren't taught
right. The famous mathematician John von Neumann used to say that
people who thought math was complicated didn't know anything about
real life, meaning that real life is more complicated than math ever
could be.
Bud
John F. Eldredge
> The subject tells it all. Today I am consuming large quantities of vile
> tasting liquids and eating nothing solid. Also, I am not getting to far
> from the throne room! At least the cats are happy that I will be home
> all day.
As a belated follow-up, I have a cautionary tale for any diabetics in our
group.
I had a colonoscopy this past spring, and had a close call as a result of
the clear-liquids-only dietary restriction. I am a type-II diabetic, on
both oral medication and some insulin, so I have to be careful about my
sugar intake. On the day before the surgery, I consumed a couple of
liters of a diet sports drink (with the laxative mixed in), unsweetened
ice tea, water, and some apple juice (my only caloric intake that day).
I did not take any of my diabetes medicine, but instead checked my blood
sugar several times during the day.
As of bedtime, my blood-sugar reading was still OK. However, I had to
get up around 3:00 AM to use the bathroom one last time. As soon as I
got out of bed, my head started spinning, and I recognized the symptoms
of low blood sugar. So, I grabbed up a couple of glucose tablets and
chewed on them as I headed for the bathroom.
Less than a minute later, I passed out and fell off of the toilet, coming
to kneeling on the bathroom floor with my head and shoulders thrust over
the edge of the tub. I had toppled forward off of the toilet, and,
judging from the bruise on my forehead, I had hit my head on the edge of
the tub on the way by. Fortunately, my knees had hit the floor before my
head hit the tub, so I didn't have any serious damage. I don't think
that I was out cold for more than 30 seconds or so, as I still had a
partially-chewed-up glucose tablet in my mouth that hadn't had time to
dissolve in my saliva.
When I told my diabetes doctor about this a few days later, he said that
I should have prepared and eaten some gelatin as part of my clear-liquids
diet (it was listed on the instructions as something I could eat). The
protein in the gelatin would have been digested more slowly than the
sugars in the apple juice, and probably would have kept my blood sugar
from going so low once all of the apple juice had been digested.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Lesley
>
> I have a well-paying job and I live pretty well, but the truth is that
> I'm one layoff plus one bad illness away from destitution,
Same here- I'm safe in my job for the moment (there;s some talk of a
10% cut in NHS staff over the next few years also our trust merged
with another one so at some point they are going to be looking at
duplication of services although the other trust doesn't have a sexual
health service so I might escape the chop) and we have some modest
savings to fall back on for a while if we had to although they're
supposed to be for supplementing my income when I retire but they
won't last too long. I;ve seen recently a lot of friends losing their
jobs/working reduced hours etc to be anything less than aware if I
were to get seriously ill or lose my job it wouldn't be very long
before we could be in serious financial trouble...Getting a new job
would be the worse, I get pretty generous sick pay apparently but
there really are very few jobs out there and where there are jobs some
people are taking the p**s, my friend Hugh when he was made redundant
was "head hunted" for a salary nearly half of what he had been
getting- he didn't take it
Cheryl
> Same here- I'm safe in my job for the moment (there;s some talk of a
> 10% cut in NHS staff over the next few years also our trust merged
> with another one so at some point they are going to be looking at
> duplication of services although the other trust doesn't have a sexual
> health service so I might escape the chop) and we have some modest
> savings to fall back on for a while if we had to although they're
> supposed to be for supplementing my income when I retire but they
> won't last too long. I;ve seen recently a lot of friends losing their
> jobs/working reduced hours etc to be anything less than aware if I
> were to get seriously ill or lose my job it wouldn't be very long
> before we could be in serious financial trouble...Getting a new job
> would be the worse, I get pretty generous sick pay apparently but
> there really are very few jobs out there and where there are jobs some
> people are taking the p**s, my friend Hugh when he was made redundant
> was "head hunted" for a salary nearly half of what he had been
> getting- he didn't take it
Having gone through unemployment and seen others do the same, it's not
always easy to decide what to do. I eventually took something - several
temporary somethings, actually - paying far less than I had been earning
before just to get working again, while I know some people - one in
particular - who thought to do so would ruin their chances of ever
getting work again at more or less the same professional level and pay.
But unless you are absolutely at the top of your profession, a lot of
employers prefer to hire more senior people from within and almost never
offer an unemployed outsider a senior position. The most obvious case of
a person I knew in that situation eventually switched to a new area,
putting a lot of money into his education and starting again from the
bottom. That strategy doesn't always work, either.
He was offered a good position in the US, but turned it down because one
of the family has serious health issues and he wasn't convinced the
insurance they offered would cover the cost of care.
--
Cheryl