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 More options Oct 13 2012, 8:31 am
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From: Will Sill <w...@epix.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 13 2012 8:31 am
Subject: Re: OT ~ Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies by Joe Biden in VP Debate
On 10/13/12 12:54 AM, Jan Orme posted this item.

I'm not sure who originally compiled this damning list of Joe's lies
from the debate, but I'm VERY sure - just from the few moments I watched
his performance - that this is a very incomplete list. Like 0 himself,
Biden can hardly open his mouth without lying or at least distorting the
facts.

Will

> The Top Ten Biden Whoppers

> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.

> 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
> of that is true.

> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
> small business jobs.

> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
> proposes a board to impose cost controls.

> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
> stopping its nuclear program.

> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

> 1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
> building."

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.

> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.

> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
> remarks, stories and out and out lies.

> Jan Eric Orme


 
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