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OT - Is anyone else in the election quandary that I am?

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RonB

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May 11, 2012, 5:24:38 PM5/11/12
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What are our choices in November:

1) Obama who is not running the country in the right direction, has
been ineffective with our economic recovery, and frankly scares me
with his views on morality, patriotism, etc. Up until the past couple
of months I have wanted this man replaced as much as anyone.

2) An over ego'ed narcissistic business man who has bought his way to
a nomination in spite of a clear record of lying, changing direction
and having absolutely no idea of what American life is really like.
Given his track record with honesty and reality I don't know if I can
vote for him.

Now what?

Don Lampson

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May 12, 2012, 12:56:49 AM5/12/12
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It sounds like you need a pep talk from some Republican boosters to
cheer you up?

Wendle Wilke

Hank

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May 12, 2012, 12:02:53 PM5/12/12
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To early to make a decision for sure. Looking at it from a personal
and financial stand point, I finally got back what I lost 6-8 years
ago. Which was much faster than i originally thought.

Looking at it from the stand point of what is best for the
country............ I gotta wait and see what develops between now and
November.

I don't let the petty shit bother me when it comes to both sides
trying to undermine the other. I don't care if O smoked pot or ate dog
meat, and I don't care that Romney bullied someone in high school and
has a put his dog on the roof of his car.

Hank <~~~~ cares about the cost of hookers nowadays. :-)

Bruce S

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May 14, 2012, 7:22:29 PM5/14/12
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if you can't figure out that voting for the socialist is always a
mistake, there is nothing that anyone can tell you to help you out.

--
Bruce

Thomas Jefferson - "The policy of the American government is to leave
their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.

No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of
another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him."

LonVanOstran

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May 14, 2012, 7:27:26 PM5/14/12
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Same as always. Pick the lesser of two evils. If you are waiting for a
candidate who isn't evil, you are on a fool's errand.

Lon

Will Sill

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May 14, 2012, 7:48:17 PM5/14/12
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Since those are the ONLY two realistic choices, I urge you to recognize
that while #2 is a poor choice, #1 is an undisguised disaster. Hold yer
nose and vote for (ugh) Mitt.

Will

Steve Barker

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May 14, 2012, 7:54:59 PM5/14/12
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What about Romney? He's looking like a viable alternative to me.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

nothermark

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May 14, 2012, 10:09:01 PM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:22:29 -0700, Bruce S <bruce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/11/2012 2:24 PM, RonB wrote:
>> What are our choices in November:
>>
>> 1) Obama who is not running the country in the right direction, has
>> been ineffective with our economic recovery, and frankly scares me
>> with his views on morality, patriotism, etc. Up until the past couple
>> of months I have wanted this man replaced as much as anyone.
>>
>> 2) An over ego'ed narcissistic business man who has bought his way to
>> a nomination in spite of a clear record of lying, changing direction
>> and having absolutely no idea of what American life is really like.
>> Given his track record with honesty and reality I don't know if I can
>> vote for him.
>>
>> Now what?
>
>if you can't figure out that voting for the socialist is always a
>mistake, there is nothing that anyone can tell you to help you out.

Mormons do not help each other out? That is your definition of
socialism.

I cannot stomach Romney nor can I trust him. I really do not see how
folks like Bruce do. ;-)

Bruce S

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May 14, 2012, 10:23:45 PM5/14/12
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How many times will we have to repeat this before you finally pay
attention. People voluntarily helping each other is NOT socialism.
Socialism is governments forcing people to support others.

Are you really such a stupid fucking moron that you cannot see the
difference between people making a choice to offer help and the
government forcing them to help whether they want to or not? (Based on
your posting here, I would say the answer to that is "YES!")

And your opinion is Romney is meaningless - he is a better choice than
0bama every time.

--
Bruce
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it. -
Flannery O'Connor

hippy dippy dude

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May 14, 2012, 11:06:15 PM5/14/12
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Ron Paul and Congress to contain him when he goes off on a tangent.
Romney hasn't got a clue. Wall Street etc will make policy for him.
Obama.... well we know what we see.

LonVanOstran

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May 14, 2012, 11:11:32 PM5/14/12
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nothermark wrote:
> I cannot stomach Romney nor can I trust him. I really do not see how
> folks like Bruce do.;-)


Do your REALLY believe there is anyone here who would believe there is
ANY chance of you EVER voting for a Republican?

Lon

LonVanOstran

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May 14, 2012, 11:12:39 PM5/14/12
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Bruce S wrote:
> Are you really such a stupid fucking moron that you cannot see the
> difference between people making a choice to offer help and the
> government forcing them to help whether they want to or not?

Isn't that a silly question to be asking of nothermark?

Lon

Don Lampson

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May 15, 2012, 1:50:31 AM5/15/12
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On May 14, 7:23 pm, Bruce S <bruce.sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/14/2012 7:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
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> > On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:22:29 -0700, Bruce S<bruce.sn...@gmail.com>
Well, RonB, I hope Bruce convinced you to vote for Romney? You
don't want to be a "stupid fucking moron", do you? HawHawHaw!


Paul Revere

dm_callier

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May 15, 2012, 10:01:16 AM5/15/12
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LOL...count me in on that...last 'Pub I voted for was Ford...probably
the last politician in my lifetime that had a clue about honesty and
loyalty...

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 10:37:11 AM5/15/12
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Nothermark thinks all giveaway money comes from Obama's "stash"
and sees no connection to the taxpayer's pocketbook.
LZ

nothermark

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May 15, 2012, 11:56:01 AM5/15/12
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You lose. I was a constant Republican single issue voter for years.
Gun control is hitting the target. It's only the last couple of
cycles that I have been turned off by the level of nastiness in the
Conservative bible thumpers who hijacked the party.

Mike Hendrix at dot

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May 15, 2012, 12:09:18 PM5/15/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:23:45 -0700, Bruce S <bruce...@gmail.com>
-------------------------

Bruce, thanks for providing Mark an answer to his question. Just in
case I will re post that answer since it is the one I would give him
as well.

Here it is Mark:

>How many times will we have to repeat this before you finally pay
>attention. People voluntarily helping each other is NOT socialism.
>Socialism is governments forcing people to support others.

>Are you really such a stupid fucking moron that you cannot see the
>difference between people making a choice to offer help and the
>government forcing them to help whether they want to or not?

Even with this being repeated it will pass between Mark's ears quicker
than grass through a goose.

mike
--


Pensacola, FL
http://www.travellogs.us/

Hunter Hampton

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May 15, 2012, 12:30:21 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 12:50 AM, Don Lampson wrote:
> Well, RonB, I hope Bruce convinced you to vote for Romney? You
> don't want to be a "stupid fucking moron", do you? HawHawHaw!

Many RORTers who like Romney have a lot in common with him... they are
bullies too.

Look how they bully people they disagree with here.

The odd thing is, they are supporting someone who can't remember an
incident, in high school, that five others remember clearly. Does he
have early onset dementia? Were there so many bullying incidents that
they are all running together? Is he a liar?

It has to be one of those answers.

Hunter

Bruce S

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May 15, 2012, 1:00:30 PM5/15/12
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You are ignoring the most likely reason - it was such an insignificant
incident that it never made a lasting memory. Most of my high school
years fall into that category. On Facebook someone from high school
commented on an incident in which someone had put a bunch of frogs into
my locker - I have absolutely no memory of such an event. I'll assume it
happened because she remembers it, but it apparently meant nothing to me.

I haven't paid any attention to the Romney incident, but from what I
have heard the story is questionable. The person who first reported it,
was not a witness, he was simply reporting gossip. One of the others
was misquoted, and the victim never mentioned it to anyone - including
his family. And, as I said, if they have to go back almost 50 years to
find something he did wrong (as a teenager) it is of no importance.

And before you defend your position, your position is irrelevant. You
were never going to vote for Romney anyway, so who cares if you now have
a new excuse for doing what you were always going to do.

I remember a few months ago when you were all up in arms and said you
wouldn't vote for 0bama because he approved slaughter houses for horses.
Now I guess you won't vote for anyone - until the next time you get
all emotional about one of the candidates.

Hank

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May 15, 2012, 2:38:06 PM5/15/12
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On May 15, 12:30 pm, Hunter Hampton <airstreamingy...@geemail.com>
wrote:
The difference between RORT'ers and Romney is that Romney grew out of
it. RORT'ers, not so much.

Hank

Steve Barker

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May 15, 2012, 3:03:44 PM5/15/12
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perhaps HE, like I, figure what happened in HS doesn't make a big fuck
about now.

dm_callier

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May 15, 2012, 5:06:16 PM5/15/12
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At what age does it start to make a "big fuck"? Do we get a pass for
everything that happens, say, before we turn 18? Or is that just for
Republican candidates?

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 6:36:30 PM5/15/12
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His memory isn't nearly as bad as Obama's.
LZ

nothermark

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May 15, 2012, 6:38:01 PM5/15/12
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And in order to stay in good standing a Mormon is required to tithe
10%. The money has various uses but helping down and out Mormons is
one of them. Not really all that "voluntary".

Do not take that as a particular complaint about Mormonism. There are
other religions with the same scheme. My point is that it is about as
voluntary as paying taxes.

As far as government welfare I see it as the logical self service move
to make up for letting folks ship jobs out of the country.

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 6:44:57 PM5/15/12
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In that case Obama would be in jail.
LZ

Hunter Hampton

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May 15, 2012, 6:54:07 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 5:36 PM, Lone Haranguer wrote:
> His memory isn't nearly as bad as Obama's.
> LZ

Then he must be a liar.

hunter

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 6:58:26 PM5/15/12
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When it comes to telling lies, Obama is the clear champion.
LZ

Bruce S

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May 15, 2012, 7:28:24 PM5/15/12
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So in answer to my question, you really are a stupid fucking moron. You
have no concept of the difference between force and choice.

Bruce S

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May 15, 2012, 7:30:35 PM5/15/12
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Yeah, I notice that none of the libs here thought it was a problem that
0bama abused drugs all thru high school and college. Even if you think
drugs should be legal (and I do), that is still constant felonious
behavior for several years.

Show me the felonies committed by Romney. One episode of high school
bullying does not even come close to 0bama's record.

Hunter Hampton

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May 15, 2012, 7:44:05 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 6:30 PM, Bruce S wrote:
> Yeah, I notice that none of the libs here thought it was a problem that
> 0bama abused drugs all thru high school and college. Even if you think
> drugs should be legal (and I do), that is still constant felonious
> behavior for several years.


So you think smoking joints is a worse crime than physically assaulting
a kid because he's gay?

Hunter

Steve Barker

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May 15, 2012, 7:53:36 PM5/15/12
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Neither is a point that deserves any attention if it happened before
they were in office.

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 8:28:09 PM5/15/12
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He did more than smoke joints.

1.


/Obama Admits/ To Bullying Girl!!! - Baltimore Sun talk
forum
<http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=316463>

talk.baltimoresun.com › News
<https://www.google.com/url?url=http://talk.baltimoresun.com/forumdisplay.php%3Ff%3D6&rct=j&sa=X&ei=zfKyT-GFJciqiQKpnsH4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ6QUoADAF&q=obama+admits+to+drug+use&usg=AFQjCNFjCwpQiyJxdP6likqrddouteFHsQ>
› National/World News
<https://www.google.com/url?url=http://talk.baltimoresun.com/forumdisplay.php%3Ff%3D14&rct=j&sa=X&ei=zfKyT-GFJciqiQKpnsH4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQ6QUoATAF&q=obama+admits+to+drug+use&usg=AFQjCNHzXHe6xaCh4jKA4s2QEH0Ru4QdBA>
14 posts - 2 authors - 4 days ago
In Obama's own words, he shoved a girl while everyone
laughed. Of course later in life /Obama admits to drug use/.
So Obama is a bully.
2.


When did /Obama/ stop taking /drugs/?
<http://www.wnd.com/2008/07/70991/>

www.wnd.com/2008/07/70991/
When did /Obama/ stop taking /drugs/? Autobiography /admits
use/ of pot, cocaine, his temptation by heroin. Published:
07/30/2008 at 11:00 PM. Tweet *..*

*********************
Maybe you should compare their total histories?
LZ


LonVanOstran

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May 15, 2012, 8:32:27 PM5/15/12
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It was a blessing that he had at least that clue, since he had so few
others.

Lon

Bruce S

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May 15, 2012, 8:35:07 PM5/15/12
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I think that committing a felony is a lot worse than a haircut. And it
was both pot and cocaine that 0bama used.

LonVanOstran

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May 15, 2012, 8:36:25 PM5/15/12
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nothermark wrote:
> You lose. I was a constant Republican single issue voter for years.
> Gun control is hitting the target. It's only the last couple of
> cycles that I have been turned off by the level of nastiness in the
> Conservative bible thumpers who hijacked the party.

ROFL. Typical Liberal lie designed to scare other uninformed Liberals
into voting against Republicans. The Religious right would be thrilled
if what you write is true, but both the left and the right have been
moving ever farther away from religion, while driving ever more
stringent laws between Christians and government.

But facts won't ever stop mark from telling yet another lie.

Lon

Bruce S

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May 15, 2012, 8:37:15 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 4:44 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
One incident of bad behavior versus years of drug abuse - yeah, I think
0bama's use of marijuana and cocaine was a lot worse. Of course, for
those things that happened as teens and resulted in no criminal charges,
I don't care either way.

LonVanOstran

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May 15, 2012, 8:38:55 PM5/15/12
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Hank wrote:
>> Many RORTers who like Romney have a lot in common with him... they are
>> > bullies too.
>> >
>> > Look how they bully people they disagree with here.
>> >
>> > The odd thing is, they are supporting someone who can't remember an
>> > incident, in high school, that five others remember clearly. Does he
>> > have early onset dementia? Were there so many bullying incidents that
>> > they are all running together? Is he a liar?
>> >
>> > It has to be one of those answers.
>> >
>> > Hunter
> The difference between RORT'ers and Romney is that Romney grew out of
> it. RORT'ers, not so much.
>
> Hank

Confession is good for your soul Hank.

Lon

Owen McKenzie

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May 15, 2012, 8:48:14 PM5/15/12
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Two questions for mark:

1. What happens to a Mormon who doesn't tithe?
2. What happens to a US citizen that doesn't pay his taxes?

Are the answers to those questions equivalent? I thought not.
--

Owen McKenzie
Posting from Eglin AFB, FL

We were promised hope and change.
We got hype and blame.

LonVanOstran

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May 15, 2012, 8:52:41 PM5/15/12
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I remember bits and pieces of high school. Mostly what I remember from
those years is shoveling liquid pig shit when I wasn't in school. Lots
more may or may not have happened, because all of the stories grow with
the retelling at class reunions. Who knows how much of it really
happened and how much of it was good story telling?
A good friend who lived around the corner from our house died in a car
accident junior year. I keep trying to remember even one conversation we
ever had. No luck. I remember the pony they boarded one winter, but not
a single detail from inside their barn or house. All of those memories
are too fuzzy to put together. It's as though Kenny Sly was just a
picture in our year books, forever 16 years old. All except those
pictures seems to be gone. He was way more than that, but it's all gone.

Some of us left high school behind and built other lives. Maybe some of
you didn't.

Lon

LonVanOstran

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May 15, 2012, 8:54:55 PM5/15/12
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You get a pass for everything that nobody can prove, because if they
can't prove it, maybe it's someone's imagination run wild.

Lon

Hunter Hampton

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May 15, 2012, 9:06:15 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 6:53 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> Neither is a point that deserves any attention if it happened before
> they were in office.

Really? Doesn't it go to character?

Hunter

Hunter Hampton

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May 15, 2012, 9:07:09 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 7:28 PM, Lone Haranguer wrote:
> *********************
> Maybe you should compare their total histories?
> LZ


Judging by that, Obama is being the honest one.

Hunter

Hunter Hampton

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May 15, 2012, 9:09:50 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 7:35 PM, Bruce S wrote:
> I think that committing a felony is a lot worse than a haircut.>

Well, we disagree... I think hate crimes are worse than pot and cocaine.



And it was both pot and cocaine that 0bama used.

Hunter

Steve Barker

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May 15, 2012, 9:11:03 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 8:06 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
Carter had a great character. But many consider him a bad president.
Although I believe he was one of the best myself.

So, to answer your question, character doesn't matter in the real scheme
of things.

Bruce S

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May 15, 2012, 9:12:17 PM5/15/12
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On 5/15/2012 5:52 PM, LonVanOstran wrote:
>
> I remember bits and pieces of high school. Mostly what I remember from
> those years is shoveling liquid pig shit when I wasn't in school. Lots
> more may or may not have happened, because all of the stories grow with
> the retelling at class reunions. Who knows how much of it really
> happened and how much of it was good story telling?
> A good friend who lived around the corner from our house died in a car
> accident junior year. I keep trying to remember even one conversation we
> ever had. No luck. I remember the pony they boarded one winter, but not
> a single detail from inside their barn or house. All of those memories
> are too fuzzy to put together. It's as though Kenny Sly was just a
> picture in our year books, forever 16 years old. All except those
> pictures seems to be gone. He was way more than that, but it's all gone.
>
> Some of us left high school behind and built other lives. Maybe some of
> you didn't.
>
> Lon

My recollection of high school is so vague that when I went to the class
reunion I could only remember 2 people - and we only had 25 in the
class. I went to school with those same 25 people from the 6th grade
thru graduation. I remember one person coming up to me and introducing
himself - I asked if he had gone to school with us - he had.

LonVanOstran

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May 15, 2012, 10:52:48 PM5/15/12
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Hunter Hampton wrote:
> Really? Doesn't it go to character?
>
> Hunter


Oh! So you suddenly have a problem with Obama going to Rev Wright's
church all those years?

Lon

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 11:26:42 PM5/15/12
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Obama has kept most of his past life hidden but judging by the
lies he's told that I've witnessed, his character and his
associates tell me that he can
be trusted as much as Hitler when he cut his deal with Chamberlain.
LZ

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 11:31:01 PM5/15/12
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A hate crime is when the Attorney General (on orders from the
president) prosecutes one race for crimes while ignoring the same
crimes by the race he favors.
LZ

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 11:36:40 PM5/15/12
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That's bad. I think we had 44 in our graduating class and I
believe I could still list all their names. When we had our 50th
class reunion I came up with the names of a dozen people who had
dropped out of high school and who we wanted to invite. They
weren't in the yearbook so the class president and others had
forgotten them entirely. Some I had not seen or heard from since
1947....and remember I spent 21 years living away from my home town.
LZ

gregz

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May 15, 2012, 11:42:03 PM5/15/12
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Will Sill <wi...@epix.net> wrote:
> On 5/11/12 5:24 PM, RonB wrote:
>> What are our choices in November:
>>
>> 1) Obama who is not running the country in the right direction, has
>> been ineffective with our economic recovery, and frankly scares me
>> with his views on morality, patriotism, etc. Up until the past couple
>> of months I have wanted this man replaced as much as anyone.
>>
>> 2) An over ego'ed narcissistic business man who has bought his way to
>> a nomination in spite of a clear record of lying, changing direction
>> and having absolutely no idea of what American life is really like.
>> Given his track record with honesty and reality I don't know if I can
>> vote for him.
>>
>> Now what?
>
> Since those are the ONLY two realistic choices, I urge you to recognize
> that while #2 is a poor choice, #1 is an undisguised disaster. Hold yer
> nose and vote for (ugh) Mitt.
>
> Will

I keep getting notices of some really scary stuff on Obama lately. Lots of
stuff happening.

Greg

Lone Haranguer

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May 15, 2012, 11:49:34 PM5/15/12
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And being good buddies with a confessed terrorist.

You talk about character? Obama would never even qualify for the
secret clearance I got when I started gunnery school in Jan of 1952.
LZ

Technobarbarian

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May 16, 2012, 12:33:52 AM5/16/12
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"Hunter Hampton" <airstrea...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4fb2fd8e$0$20230$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com...
LOL, you've forgotten where you are. Here it would only go to
character if he was a Democrat. For Obama everything counts--including
things that happened before he was born. For Romney nothing counts--except
what he's saying today. This is why Obamacare makes Obama a socialist while
Romney can claim to be a "severe conservative"--despite the Romneycare that
Obamacare is based on.

TB

LonVanOstran

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May 16, 2012, 7:09:45 AM5/16/12
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Who here has claimed that the Republican candidate is perfect, or even a
good choice to be President?

IMHO, most have claimed that he is less evil than Obama. Being MORE evil
than Obama is a very difficult task which few men could accomplish.

Lon

nothermark

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May 16, 2012, 7:40:01 AM5/16/12
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On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:28:24 -0700, Bruce S <bruce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/15/2012 3:38 PM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:09:18 -0500, Mike Hendrix<mike (at) travellogs
>> (dot) us> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:23:45 -0700, Bruce S<bruce...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/14/2012 7:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:22:29 -0700, Bruce S<bruce...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/11/2012 2:24 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> What are our choices in November:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Obama who is not running the country in the right direction, has
>>>>>>> been ineffective with our economic recovery, and frankly scares me
>>>>>>> with his views on morality, patriotism, etc. Up until the past couple
>>>>>>> of months I have wanted this man replaced as much as anyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) An over ego'ed narcissistic business man who has bought his way to
>>>>>>> a nomination in spite of a clear record of lying, changing direction
>>>>>>> and having absolutely no idea of what American life is really like.
>>>>>>> Given his track record with honesty and reality I don't know if I can
>>>>>>> vote for him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you can't figure out that voting for the socialist is always a
>>>>>> mistake, there is nothing that anyone can tell you to help you out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mormons do not help each other out? That is your definition of
>>>>> socialism.
>>>>
>>>> How many times will we have to repeat this before you finally pay
>>>> attention. People voluntarily helping each other is NOT socialism.
>>>> Socialism is governments forcing people to support others.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really such a stupid fucking moron that you cannot see the
>>>> difference between people making a choice to offer help and the
>>>> government forcing them to help whether they want to or not? (Based on
>>>> your posting here, I would say the answer to that is "YES!")
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> Bruce, thanks for providing Mark an answer to his question. Just in
>>> case I will re post that answer since it is the one I would give him
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Here it is Mark:
>>>
>>>> How many times will we have to repeat this before you finally pay
>>>> attention. People voluntarily helping each other is NOT socialism.
>>>> Socialism is governments forcing people to support others.
>>>
>>>> Are you really such a stupid fucking moron that you cannot see the
>>>> difference between people making a choice to offer help and the
>>>> government forcing them to help whether they want to or not?
>>>
>>> Even with this being repeated it will pass between Mark's ears quicker
>>> than grass through a goose.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>> And in order to stay in good standing a Mormon is required to tithe
>> 10%. The money has various uses but helping down and out Mormons is
>> one of them. Not really all that "voluntary".
>>
>> Do not take that as a particular complaint about Mormonism. There are
>> other religions with the same scheme. My point is that it is about as
>> voluntary as paying taxes.
>>
>> As far as government welfare I see it as the logical self service move
>> to make up for letting folks ship jobs out of the country.
>
>So in answer to my question, you really are a stupid fucking moron. You
>have no concept of the difference between force and choice.

I understand the difference. That is why I prefer to use the tax code
to make it a smarter choice to produce here. That way if a vindictive
employer still wants to produce overseas they can. The government
created the mess with the trade and tax laws so let them fix it with
the trade and tax laws.

nothermark

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On Tue, 15 May 2012 20:48:14 -0400, Owen McKenzie
<jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:

>On 5/15/2012 7:28 PM, Bruce S wrote:
>> On 5/15/2012 3:38 PM, nothermark wrote:
>
>>> And in order to stay in good standing a Mormon is required to tithe
>>> 10%. The money has various uses but helping down and out Mormons is
>>> one of them. Not really all that "voluntary".
>>>
>>> Do not take that as a particular complaint about Mormonism. There are
>>> other religions with the same scheme. My point is that it is about as
>>> voluntary as paying taxes.
>>>
>>> As far as government welfare I see it as the logical self service move
>>> to make up for letting folks ship jobs out of the country.
>>
>> So in answer to my question, you really are a stupid fucking moron. You
>> have no concept of the difference between force and choice.
>>
>
>Two questions for mark:
>
>1. What happens to a Mormon who doesn't tithe?

Strictly speaking, I do not know. From what I have heard I assume
there are community and after life issues.



>2. What happens to a US citizen that doesn't pay his taxes?

Depending on whether or not it is noticed they may get some form of
social discipline. The problem is that if you get noticed you may be
made an example of.


>
>Are the answers to those questions equivalent? I thought not.

Not as far apart as you may have hoped for. I think the rate of
getting noticed is much higher for the Church's that practice tithing
than it is for the government catching tax evaders. Then there is the
legal evasion know as loopholes.

nothermark

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only if one is a Democrat. ;-)

nothermark

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On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:42:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
wrote:
I take all the Conservative mud slinging as a sign the Democrats must
be doing something right. YMMV. ;-)

Bob Hatch

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How about sexual harassment? Does that go to character?


--
“There is no worse tyranny than to force a man
to pay for what he does not want merely because
you think it would be good for him.”
? Robert A. Heinlein

Bob Hatch

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On 5/16/2012 4:59 AM, nothermark wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 20:48:14 -0400, Owen McKenzie
> <jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2012 7:28 PM, Bruce S wrote:
>>> On 5/15/2012 3:38 PM, nothermark wrote:
>>
>>>> And in order to stay in good standing a Mormon is required to tithe
>>>> 10%. The money has various uses but helping down and out Mormons is
>>>> one of them. Not really all that "voluntary".
>>>>
>>>> Do not take that as a particular complaint about Mormonism. There are
>>>> other religions with the same scheme. My point is that it is about as
>>>> voluntary as paying taxes.
>>>>
>>>> As far as government welfare I see it as the logical self service move
>>>> to make up for letting folks ship jobs out of the country.
>>>
>>> So in answer to my question, you really are a stupid fucking moron. You
>>> have no concept of the difference between force and choice.
>>>
>>
>> Two questions for mark:
>>
>> 1. What happens to a Mormon who doesn't tithe?
>
> Strictly speaking, I do not know. From what I have heard I assume
> there are community and after life issues.
>
>
>
>> 2. What happens to a US citizen that doesn't pay his taxes?
>
> Depending on whether or not it is noticed they may get some form of
> social discipline. The problem is that if you get noticed you may be
> made an example of.
>

Damn, you are funny. You call having assets seized, a potential for
possible arrest and prison time and if the person is not guilty the
expenditure of 10's of thousands of dollars to defend the charges
"social discipline". What would "legal discipline" be?



>
>>
>> Are the answers to those questions equivalent? I thought not.
>
> Not as far apart as you may have hoped for. I think the rate of
> getting noticed is much higher for the Church's that practice tithing
> than it is for the government catching tax evaders. Then there is the
> legal evasion know as loopholes.


Mike Hendrix at dot

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May 16, 2012, 10:14:06 AM5/16/12
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Mark, go back and read what you just wrote. It is proof positive that
you need to get back on your meds........ and probably increase the
dosages.

mike
--


Pensacola, FL
http://www.travellogs.us/

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 10:45:32 AM5/16/12
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On 5/15/2012 6:06 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
Oops. How about having homosexual affairs while married? Does that go to
character?

http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/15/barack-obama-the-first-gay-president/?eiid

I guess the question of "where are Obama's former girl friends" should
have been "where are Obama's former boy friends". :-)

Hunter Hampton

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On 5/16/2012 9:03 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
> How about sexual harassment? Does that go to character?

I would say so, although I think those words are thrown around a bit.

Who was charged with sexual harassment that has to do with this thread?

Hunter


nothermark

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On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:09:48 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
wrote:
Part of social discipline. And they will deserve it.

nothermark

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May 16, 2012, 11:13:01 AM5/16/12
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I know what I wrote.

Meds are evil. Now I know how Rush blew his mind as well as his
hearing.

Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 11:16:17 AM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 9:45 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
> Oops. How about having homosexual affairs while married? Does that go to
> character?>

No, not to me. Its none of my business what he does in his private
life, I'm not married to him.

That said, I don't know if he's had extra marital affairs and neither do
you unless you were his partner.

>
> http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/15/barack-obama-the-first-gay-president/?eiid
>
>
> I guess the question of "where are Obama's former girl friends" should
> have been "where are Obama's former boy friends". :-)

I think that cover is probably the slimiest political stunt that I've
ever seen.......

I couldn't care less if he's gay or not, but he has two daughters who
will be tormented by this.

Hunter

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 11:27:51 AM5/16/12
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Obama was. While editor of the Harvard Law Review.

The thread is about Presidential candidates, and their past. Did you
think it was about something else? :-)

Frank Howell

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May 16, 2012, 11:29:15 AM5/16/12
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I disagree. A loophole is a mythical catch-all pejorative that is used to
discredit anyone who has the temerity to pay only what they legally owe and
not a penny more.


--
Frank Howell


Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 11:53:17 AM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 10:27 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
> Obama was. While editor of the Harvard Law Review.
>
> The thread is about Presidential candidates, and their past. Did you
> think it was about something else? :-)

I am having a crisis right now, and haven't bothered to read most of the
drivel posted here this week.....

Was he convicted?

hunter

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 11:57:36 AM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 8:16 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 5/16/2012 9:45 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
>> Oops. How about having homosexual affairs while married? Does that go to
>> character?>
>
> No, not to me. Its none of my business what he does in his private life,
> I'm not married to him.
>
> That said, I don't know if he's had extra marital affairs and neither do
> you unless you were his partner.
>
>>
>> http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/15/barack-obama-the-first-gay-president/?eiid
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess the question of "where are Obama's former girl friends" should
>> have been "where are Obama's former boy friends". :-)
>
> I think that cover is probably the slimiest political stunt that I've
> ever seen.......

There have been lots of slimy stuff from Newsweek. You only think it's
the slimiest because your hero is featured in a less than glowing light. :-)

>
> I couldn't care less if he's gay or not, but he has two daughters who
> will be tormented by this.

It is not the magazine that caused the problem.

>
> Hunter

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 11:58:29 AM5/16/12
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Harvard made financial payouts. Did you feel the same about Cain?

Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 12:00:34 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 10:57 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
> There have been lots of slimy stuff from Newsweek. You only think it's
> the slimiest because your hero is featured in a less than glowing light.
> :-)


I don't read Newsweek, if you hadn't posted the cover in the thread I
probably wouldn't have seen it at all.

Its is a legitimate cover or what?


hunter

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 12:04:50 PM5/16/12
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So, you consider being approached by the pastor of the church and being
asked about your tithe equivalent to prison time? Really? Really, mark?

Hunter Hampton

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On 5/16/2012 10:58 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
>
> Harvard made financial payouts. Did you feel the same about Cain?


It may surprise you to learn that politics are very low on the scale of
things I care about. Very low..... extremely low.

I rarely think about politics anywhere but here..... and if someone
posts something on FB.

Its not part of my day to day life frankly.

I don't get all worked up about it because its one of those things I
can't do anything about, what happens happens.... I have to worry about
my own situation....

Certain things might press my buttons for a minute, but even that
doesn't last long.....

I can't really understand all the passion here, all the animosity, all
the nastiness..... its a little crazy how many hours people spend
worrying about stuff.

Hunter

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 12:13:32 PM5/16/12
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It is a legitimate cover. It's not about him being gay, but apparently
Newsweek was unaware of the buried history about 0. :-)

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 12:16:40 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 8:53 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 5/16/2012 10:27 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
>> Obama was. While editor of the Harvard Law Review.
>>
>> The thread is about Presidential candidates, and their past. Did you
>> think it was about something else? :-)
>
> I am having a crisis right now,

What's the crisis, if you don't mind sharing.

and haven't bothered to read most of the
> drivel posted here this week.....
>
> Was he convicted?
>
> hunter


LonVanOstran

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May 16, 2012, 12:31:42 PM5/16/12
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nothermark wrote:
> Meds are evil.

Anyone who could write that is evil, and should not be allowed to reproduce.

Lon

nothermark

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May 16, 2012, 1:02:01 PM5/16/12
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A loophole is something the wealthy buy from their favorite
congressrat because that is cheaper than paying their fair share of
taxes.

Bruce S

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May 16, 2012, 1:03:14 PM5/16/12
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No, clearly you don't understand the difference between choice and
force. The tax code is always FORCE. Try not paying your taxes, and
they send men with guns to arrest you and send you to prison. That is
the very definition of force. And you really are too stupid to
understand that.

--
Bruce
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it. -
Flannery O'Connor

Bruce S

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May 16, 2012, 1:05:13 PM5/16/12
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As I said, he really is too stupid to understand the difference between
choice and force.

nothermark

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On Wed, 16 May 2012 09:04:50 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
I regard the cost of belonging to any institution as paying my fair
share. If my pastor asks for any rational donation I would expect to
pay it. Ditto taxes. In both cases I might also suggest a cheaper
way to do it or consider finding a different place to play.

Bruce S

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May 16, 2012, 1:09:57 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 7:03 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
> On 5/15/2012 6:06 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>> On 5/15/2012 6:53 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
>>> Neither is a point that deserves any attention if it happened before
>>> they were in office.
>>
>> Really? Doesn't it go to character?
>>
>> Hunter
>
> How about sexual harassment? Does that go to character?

Hunter (and most other feminists) was completely able to ignore sexual
harassment and even rape as a character issue when it came to Clinton's
behavior, even though it was behavior contemporary with his political
career.

But when it comes to a single 50 year old (unproven) incident in the
life of Romney, then potential bullying becomes a character flaw serious
enough to disqualify him from office.

Plenty of hypocrisy there.

Bruce S

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May 16, 2012, 1:11:11 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 8:53 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
Was Romney?

Bruce S

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And yet, you took time out of your crisis laden day to write that Romney
had character issues that you think should be considered when picking a
president. However, you chose not to consider even more serious, and
more recent, character flaws in 0bama.

If you really don't care about politics, you should have stayed out of
the discussion. Instead, you start with your asinine criticism of
Romney, then when it is pointed out that your are a hypocrite, you claim
that it is a topic you care nothing about. You are worse than a
hypocrite, you are a lying hypocrite.

Steve Barker

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May 16, 2012, 1:25:44 PM5/16/12
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On 5/15/2012 10:42 PM, gregz wrote:
> Will Sill<wi...@epix.net> wrote:
>> On 5/11/12 5:24 PM, RonB wrote:
>>> What are our choices in November:
>>>
>>> 1) Obama who is not running the country in the right direction, has
>>> been ineffective with our economic recovery, and frankly scares me
>>> with his views on morality, patriotism, etc. Up until the past couple
>>> of months I have wanted this man replaced as much as anyone.
>>>
>>> 2) An over ego'ed narcissistic business man who has bought his way to
>>> a nomination in spite of a clear record of lying, changing direction
>>> and having absolutely no idea of what American life is really like.
>>> Given his track record with honesty and reality I don't know if I can
>>> vote for him.
>>>
>>> Now what?
>>
>> Since those are the ONLY two realistic choices, I urge you to recognize
>> that while #2 is a poor choice, #1 is an undisguised disaster. Hold yer
>> nose and vote for (ugh) Mitt.
>>
>> Will
>
> I keep getting notices of some really scary stuff on Obama lately. Lots of
> stuff happening.
>
> Greg

LATELY??? I've been hearing scary stuff about the MF for 4 years.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Steve Barker

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May 16, 2012, 1:29:54 PM5/16/12
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IF they are really his.

Bob Hatch

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May 16, 2012, 2:31:54 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 10:03 AM, Bruce S wrote:
> And you really are too stupid to understand that.

You ask nothermark that question?

Do you expect an honest answer from him?

Have you considered finding a brick wall to beat your head against?

Bruce S

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May 16, 2012, 2:47:28 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 11:31 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
> On 5/16/2012 10:03 AM, Bruce S wrote:
>> And you really are too stupid to understand that.
>
> You ask nothermark that question?
>
> Do you expect an honest answer from him?
>
> Have you considered finding a brick wall to beat your head against?

This is my brick wall. ;-)

Will Sill

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May 16, 2012, 5:39:28 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/12 11:16 AM, Hunter Hampton huffed:

> I think that cover is probably the slimiest political stunt that I've
> ever seen.......
>
> I couldn't care less if he's gay or not, but he has two daughters who
> will be tormented by this.


Let's see if I have this right. Being a queer is perfectly OK, same-sex
"marriage" is popular and therefore OK too --- but the Occupier's two
precious children "will be tormented" by a news rag cover illustration?
Connect the dots, Hunter.

Will

Will Sill

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May 16, 2012, 5:45:34 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/12 12:05 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:

> I can't really understand all the passion here, all the animosity, all
> the nastiness..... its a little crazy how many hours people spend
> worrying about stuff.

I can help you understand. You're a brain-dead liberal who absolutely
refuses to become informed about the fate of the country until something
comes to your attention that hurts your 'feelings'. You don't
understand passion for national events because you're so self-absorbed
that you're only concerned with YOU.

Does that help?

Will

K Miller

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To help make it easier for you, Hunter, I'll give you a hint - one of the
dots is between Will's ears...


Lone Haranguer

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May 16, 2012, 6:12:30 PM5/16/12
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If they can't tithe in cash, they ARE allowed to contribute in
labor on church-owned farms or other properties.
It isn't like the Mormon church audits your 1040 ya know.

During the time when you may not be considered a member in good
standing by your local bishop, you aren't allowed to enter the
Tabernacle in SLC.

That's all I recall from my Mormon neighbors when I lived in
Utah, '63-'64.
LZ

Lone Haranguer

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May 16, 2012, 6:16:12 PM5/16/12
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Mike Hendrix wrote:
> On 16 May 2012 06:59:00 -0500, nothermark<nothe...@not.here> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 20:48:14 -0400, Owen McKenzie
>> <jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/15/2012 7:28 PM, Bruce S wrote:
>>>> On 5/15/2012 3:38 PM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>> And in order to stay in good standing a Mormon is required to tithe
>>>>> 10%. The money has various uses but helping down and out Mormons is
>>>>> one of them. Not really all that "voluntary".
>>>>>
>>>>> Do not take that as a particular complaint about Mormonism. There are
>>>>> other religions with the same scheme. My point is that it is about as
>>>>> voluntary as paying taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as government welfare I see it as the logical self service move
>>>>> to make up for letting folks ship jobs out of the country.
>>>> So in answer to my question, you really are a stupid fucking moron. You
>>>> have no concept of the difference between force and choice.
>>>>
>>> Two questions for mark:
>>>
>>> 1. What happens to a Mormon who doesn't tithe?
>> Strictly speaking, I do not know. From what I have heard I assume
>> there are community and after life issues.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2. What happens to a US citizen that doesn't pay his taxes?
>> Depending on whether or not it is noticed they may get some form of
>> social discipline. The problem is that if you get noticed you may be
>> made an example of.
>>
>>
>>> Are the answers to those questions equivalent? I thought not.
>> Not as far apart as you may have hoped for. I think the rate of
>> getting noticed is much higher for the Church's that practice tithing
>> than it is for the government catching tax evaders. Then there is the
>> legal evasion know as loopholes.
>
> Mark, go back and read what you just wrote. It is proof positive that
> you need to get back on your meds........ and probably increase the
> dosages.
>
> mike
One of my old high school teachers, a veteran of WWII, got 5
years in federal prison for avoiding taxes by joining a group
that bartered for goods and services instead of cash transactions.
LZ

nothermark

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May 16, 2012, 6:36:00 PM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:03:14 -0700, Bruce S <bruce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/16/2012 4:40 AM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:28:24 -0700, Bruce S<bruce...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So in answer to my question, you really are a stupid fucking moron. You
>>> have no concept of the difference between force and choice.
>>
>> I understand the difference. That is why I prefer to use the tax code
>> to make it a smarter choice to produce here. That way if a vindictive
>> employer still wants to produce overseas they can. The government
>> created the mess with the trade and tax laws so let them fix it with
>> the trade and tax laws.
>
>No, clearly you don't understand the difference between choice and
>force. The tax code is always FORCE. Try not paying your taxes, and
>they send men with guns to arrest you and send you to prison. That is
>the very definition of force. And you really are too stupid to
>understand that.

But do not do anything that creates a tax burden and one does not need
to worry about paying those taxes. Stop working and go live under a
bridge and you owe no tax because you have no income.

The choice I propose is pay less tax for producing product here vs
more tax for producing outside the country. It is a choice.

Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 6:42:34 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 12:09 PM, Bruce S wrote:
> Hunter (and most other feminists) was completely able to ignore sexual
> harassment and even rape as a character issue when it came to Clinton's
> behavior, even though it was behavior contemporary with his political
> career.


Who did Clinton rape? Who did he harass? Why are you speaking for me?

Hunter

Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 6:43:20 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 12:11 PM, Bruce S wrote:
> On 5/16/2012 8:53 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>> On 5/16/2012 10:27 AM, Bob Hatch wrote:
>>> Obama was. While editor of the Harvard Law Review.
>>>
>>> The thread is about Presidential candidates, and their past. Did you
>>> think it was about something else? :-)
>>
>> I am having a crisis right now, and haven't bothered to read most of the
>> drivel posted here this week.....
>>
>> Was he convicted?
>>
>> hunter
>
> Was Romney?
>
Was Romney charged?

Back then he wouldn't have been, now he would have.

Hunter

Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 6:45:01 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 12:15 PM, Bruce S wrote:
> If you really don't care about politics, you should have stayed out of
> the discussion. Instead, you start with your asinine criticism of
> Romney, then when it is pointed out that your are a hypocrite, you claim
> that it is a topic you care nothing about. You are worse than a
> hypocrite, you are a lying hypocrite.


Go fuck yourself Bruce. I'll post whatever the hell I want to post,
whenever I want... you can go to hell asshole.

hunter


Hunter Hampton

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May 16, 2012, 6:45:28 PM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 12:29 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
>
> IF they are really his.

You people are acting stupid now.

hunter

Hunter Hampton

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On 5/16/2012 4:49 PM, K Miller wrote:
> To help make it easier for you, Hunter, I'll give you a hint - one of the
> dots is between Will's ears...

I didn't think anything was between his ears other than his ugly puss.

hunter

Bruce S

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May 16, 2012, 6:50:47 PM5/16/12
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The choice you propose is using government force to destroy the economy.

Bruce S

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The fact that you could ask the first two questions proves I was right
in my assertions as to your position - and that is the answer to your
third question.
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