ot... Gun control

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns
and NO "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?
You know, those (incorrectly called) assault weapons that
everyone is screaming about and passing laws about ?
They weren't even involved in this terrible crime.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

[RonB]

Well.............. Not having assault weapons doesn't exactly make that a good thing. Does it?

RonB

[Hank]

So you want to ban only the weapons used in the school shootings and not assault Weapons? What's your point? :-)

Hank <~~~~ Thinks Jerry D needs a writing class

[Lone Haranguer]

"Never let a crisis go to waste" The gun grabbers couldn 't get
the "assault weapons" ban extended so are now trying to revive
their plan by using the bodies of those killed at Newtown, CTto
use as a springboard.

I'd like to demonstrate similar carnage with a 12 gauge shotgun
and O or 00 buckshot.

One shot per victim and they would have more holes than by
spraying with .223 rounds.

LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

So why are the liberal gun-grabbers focusing so much attention on
the so-called assault weapons?

Answer: Because this time they think they can win their crusade,
even though different weapons were involved.
True facts are their stumbling block.
LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

There ARE no assault weapons in common use, even though the
gun-grabbers pretend there are.

Even the incorrectlynamed types they want to outlaw, are used in
approximately 2% of all shootings.
Are you trying to convince someone that by eliminating a few
scary-looking weapons youwon't have any more
gun crime?

My old .308 Remington model 742 would penetrate half a dozen
bodies with a single shot. Tell Schmucky Shumer
that just because militarysurplus ball ammoeasily penetrates the
vests of SWAT teams, it's not consider "armor piercing".

Most gun grabbers have only a passing acquaintance with the
various types of firearms and ammo The more they talk, the more
their ignorance is revealed.
LZ

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

"Hank" wrote > So you want to ban only the weapons

used in the school shootings and not assault Weapons ?
What's your point?

First... I don't want to ban any weapons.
Second...Try to get it through your liberal head that
assault weapons have been banned since 1938.
My point is that in 2011,
323 people were killed with those scary looking semi-automatics and
496 people were killed with HAMMERS !!!
So why aren't the liberals trying to ban hammers ?
--
JerryD(upstateNY)

[Technobarbarian]

"JerryD(upstateNY)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:kdjuuf$ss6$1...@jerryd.eternal-september.org...

You obviously don't understand logical fallacies. I'm not going to
waste time trying to explain it to you other than saying that by your logic
ALL drugs should be legal because more people are killed by alcohol and
cigarettes than all other drugs combined

You have your facts confused. No surprise there.

http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/2013/01/03/fbi-more-people-killed-hammers-clubs-each-year-rifles

According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders
committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of
murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push
to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.

However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe
Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005
to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the
number of murders committed with a rifle.

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was
445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605.
In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the
number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to
year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year
remains constant.

For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496
murders committed with hammers and clubs.

While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers
could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with
non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual
reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt
objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.

Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people
are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use
rifles.

Here's a new wrinkle in the national debate:

http://www.newser.com/article/da3a69e80/click-print-shoot-guns-made-on-3-d-printers-not-as-farfetched-as-it-sounds.html

By JASON DEAREN | Associated Press | Dec 21, 2012 7:31 AM CST

Downloading a gun's design plans to your computer, building it on a
three-dimensional printer and firing it minutes later. No background checks,
no questions asked.

Sound far-fetched? It's not. And that is disquieting for U.S. gun control
advocates.

At least one group, called Defense Distributed, is claiming to have created
downloadable weapon parts that can be built using the increasingly popular
new generation of printer that uses plastics and other materials to create
3-D objects with moving parts.

University of Texas law student Cody Wilson, the 24-year-old "Wiki Weapons"
project leader, says the group last month test fired a semiautomatic AR-15
rifle _ one of the weapon types used in last week's Connecticut school
massacre _ which was built with some key parts created on a 3-D printer. The
gun was fired six times before it broke.

Though no independent observer was there to verify the test, a short video
clip showing the gun firing and breaking was posted to YouTube.

Federal firearms regulators said they are aware of the technology's
gun-making potential but do not believe an entire weapon has yet been made.

Rep. Steven Israel said the prospect of such guns becoming reality is reason
enough for the renewal of the Undetectable Firearms Act, which makes illegal
the building of guns that can't be detected by X-ray or metallic scanners.
That law expires at the end of 2013.

"What's chilling is that last month a group of kids used a 3-D printer to
actually manufacture (key parts) of the AR-15 and fire six bullets," the
Democrat said. "When the (act) was last renewed in 2003, a gun made by a 3-D
printer was like a Star Trek episode, but now we know it's real."

Even with gun control pushed to the top of the national political
conversation, Wilson is steadfast about reaching his goal of making a fully
downloadable gun. This weekend, he and his partners plan to print four new
lower receivers _ the part of the gun that includes the trigger, magazine
and grip. He keeps three of these AR-15 parts in his tidy student apartment
in Austin, Texas.

While saddened by the Connecticut school killing, Wilson said Thursday that
protecting the constitutional right to bear arms by giving everyone access
to guns is more important in the long term than a single horrible crime.

"Clearly what happened in Connecticut was a tragedy," he told The Associated
Press. "Still, by affording the Second Amendment protection, we understand
events like these will happen."

He said he discussed with his partners whether they should suspend their
effort, and they all decided it was too important to stop.

Wilson acknowledged there still are many technical hurdles to creating a
complete gun from a 3-D printer and provided no estimate on when his goal
might be reached.

Special Agent Helen Dunkel of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, which helps enforce gun laws, said the agency is
familiar with Wilson's project. She didn't offer an opinion but noted there
is nothing illegal about making many types of guns at home. Exceptions would
be high-powered weapons like machine guns and those not detectable by
airport scanners.

3-D printing technology was developed for the automobile, aerospace and
other industries to create product prototypes from the same hard plastics
used in toys like Legos. Hobbyists mainly use the printers to design
Christmas ornaments, toys and gadget accessories.

Prices on the machines have fallen as the consumer market grows, leading to
a surge in interest from people in the so-called "maker" scene. Low-end 3-D
printers can now be purchased online from between $1,500 and $4,000. The
more high-end printers needed to make gun parts are still priced from
$10,000 and up.

Stratasys Ltd. of Minnesota makes 3-D printers. Shane Glenn, director of
investor relations, said gun-making was never something envisioned for the
machines.

"The gun issue is something that the 3-D printing industry will have to
address going forward," Glenn said.

Right now, most people interested in 3-D printing rent time on one. There
are a number of businesses and co-ops in major cities that allow access to
the machines for a nominal fee. At San Francisco's TechShop, which features
a 3-D printer for its members, "assembling firearms is strictly prohibited
and our staff is trained on that policy," company spokeswoman Carrie
Motamedi said.

Wilson acknowledged his idea has met resistance from those active in 3-D
printing.

"The early adopters of 3-D printing technology seem to be an educated, more
liberal group who were against firearms to begin with," he said. Wilson said
some are worried the gun project might spur regulations that will hurt or
curtail their projects.

Early schematics created by Wilson's group were posted on Thingiverse, a New
York-based website that serves as a hub for 3-D printing aficionados. After
the school shooting, Thingiverse took down Wilson's links.

The site's spokeswoman, Jenifer Howard, said its focus is "to empower the
creative process and make things for good." Howard said Thingiverse's terms
of service state that users cannot use the site to share content that
contributes to the creation of weapons.

Wilson said the group has already posted the links on its own website.

Paul Saffo, a Silicon Valley technology forecaster who teaches at Stanford
University's engineering school, said Defense Distributed's work carries on
a long tradition of tech geeks using innovation to make a political point,
in this case on gun control and constitutional freedoms.

"If you want to get people's attention in Washington, you say something. If
you want to do it in Silicon Valley, you make something," Saffo said.

He said the technology exists now for a highly motivated group to make a
plastic gun on a 3-D printer that could avoid airport scanners. But the
equipment is still too expensive for most people.

"Nobody right now needs to worry about the bright teenager making a gun on a
printer in their bedroom," he said.

http://defensedistributed.com/

When 3D printers are outlawed only outlaws will have 3D printers. LOL

TB

[bill horne]

JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
> Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns and NO
> "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?

Is there a credible source for this info?

> You know, those (incorrectly called)
> assault weapons that
> everyone is screaming about and passing laws about ?
> They weren't even involved in this terrible crime.
>


--

bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

[Vito]

"JerryD(upstateNY)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote

| Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns

| and NO "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ? ....

First news reports (CNN, Fox) said police found *two* semiautomatic
pistols near the shooter's body. Later they reported that a "long gun"
had been found outside, in the trunk of the shooter's car. Later still
the 'long gun" was IDd as either a shot gun or AR-15. The next day the
medical examiner said that the kids had been shot using a "long gun" and
soon "long gun" morphed into a Bushmaster brand AR-15.

Frankly, I'd like to hear from the LEOs on the scene - what did they find
and where?

[Vito]

"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote

| JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
| > Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns and NO
| > "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?
|
| Is there a credible source for this info?
|

Perhaps the same as the magic bullet from a Carcano that killed JFK?

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

bill horne" wrote in message

Is there a credible source for this info?

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495?fb_action_ids=2760413907019&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%222760413907019%22%3A393417180739317%7D&action_type_map=%7B%222760413907019%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

"Vito" wrote Frankly, I'd like to hear from the

LEOs on the scene - what did they find and where?

It was reported on NBC news that a rifle was found in the
trunk of the shooter's car, but he didn't bring it into the school.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

[Bruce S]

Normally I wouldn't consider MSNBC credible even if all they reported
was that the sun is hot, but in this case, since what they are reporting
contradicts their normal party line, (and because it had been reported
elsewhere a couple weeks ago) I'll grant them limited credibility.

--
Bruce

Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one
else can see. Arthur Schopenhauer

[Will Sill]

On 1/21/13 1:55 PM, bill horne wrote:
> JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>> Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns and NO
>> "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?

bh:

> Is there a credible source for this info?

Several credible reports mention video footage showing a rifle (IMO
there are fewer "assault rifles" than political moderates) being removed
from the car the shooter drove - but I wasn't there.

Regardless of the facts, gun-grabbers will continue to do and say
virtually anything to accomplish their objective of disarming everyone
but crooks.

Will

[Hank]

On Monday, January 21, 2013 3:29:58 PM UTC-5, bruce wrote:

> Normally I wouldn't consider MSNBC credible even if all they reported
>
> was that the sun is hot, but in this case, since what they are reporting
>
> contradicts their normal party line, (and because it had been reported
>
> elsewhere a couple weeks ago) I'll grant them limited credibility.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce

You have said before never to believe them. Now you change you "beliefs" because they told you what you want to hear.

You are a spewing hypocrite and obvious liar!

Hank

[Bob Hatch]

On 1/21/2013 11:55 AM, bill horne wrote:
> JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>> Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns and NO
>> "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?
>
> Is there a credible source for this info?

For that info, no.

>
>> You know, those (incorrectly called)
>> assault weapons that
>> everyone is screaming about and passing laws about ?
>> They weren't even involved in this terrible crime.
>>
>
>

For the correct info, yes:

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30
round clips

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun


--
I do not carry a gun hoping that
I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than
I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat
tire.
Me.

[dm_callier]

On Jan 21, 12:54 pm, Bob Hatch <bob.ha...@ymail.com> wrote:
<snip>

> #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30
> round clips
>
> #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
>
> #3. Sig-Sauer P226   9mm handgun
>

Pet Peeve: Use of "clip" rather than "magazine".

This link has a visual for the uninformed and a bit of explanation
about common usage.

http://everettpowers.blogspot.com/2012/10/magazine-or-clip.html

Of course nothing beats an opinion piece in our local rag that decried
"high capacity cartridges" and why "30 round cartridges" should be
banned. I think the author might have been a closet duck lover who
wanted shotgun shells banned...or just terminally stupid.

[Hank]

On Monday, January 21, 2013 3:54:08 PM UTC-5, Bob Hatch wrote:
> On 1/21/2013 11:55 AM, bill horne wrote:
>
> > JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>
> >> Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns and NO
>
> >> "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?
>
> >
>
> > Is there a credible source for this info?
>
>
>
> For that info, no.
>
> >
>
> >> You know, those (incorrectly called)
>
> >> assault weapons that
>
> >> everyone is screaming about and passing laws about ?
>
> >> They weren't even involved in this terrible crime.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> For the correct info, yes:
>
>
>
> http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
>
>
>
> Seized inside the school:
>
>
>
> #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30
>
> round clips
>
>
>
> #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
>
>
>
> #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
>

> Me.

Thanks for proving my point to Bruce. :-)

Hank

[bill horne]

Bruce S wrote:
> On 1/21/2013 11:49 AM, JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>> bill horne" wrote in message
>> Is there a credible source for this info?
>>
>> http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495?fb_action_ids=2760413907019&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%222760413907019%22%3A393417180739317%7D&action_type_map=%7B%222760413907019%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
>>
>
> Normally I wouldn't consider MSNBC credible even if all they reported
> was that the sun is hot, but in this case, since what they are
> reporting contradicts their normal party line, (and because it had
> been reported elsewhere a couple weeks ago) I'll grant them limited
> credibility.

Except that report is over a month old, and we were hearing various
stories back then. I think I'm gonna hold off using that in any
discussions I get into. For now, it's enough that the worst school
shooting in history was done with two everyday handguns - one of which
was a .22. No "assault weapons" - and as far as I know, no aftermarket
"extended" magazines.

[bill horne]

Well, Bad Hat provided us with a report from the CT State Police. Here
it is again:
http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

[Lone Haranguer]

Just don't ask a news person. They know less about firearms than
the average Chihuahua.
LZ

[MaxD]

On 1/21/2013 2:45 PM, dm_callier wrote:
> On Jan 21, 12:54 pm, Bob Hatch <bob.ha...@ymail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30
>> round clips
>>
>> #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
>>
>> #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
>>
>
> Pet Peeve: Use of "clip" rather than "magazine".
>
> This link has a visual for the uninformed and a bit of explanation
> about common usage.
>
> http://everettpowers.blogspot.com/2012/10/magazine-or-clip.html

I'm not going to tell you how many firearms I have but I have a lot of
magazines;
National Geographic, Fine Woodworking, Popular Mechanics,Forbes, Time,
Atlantic Monthly, New Mexico Magazine, Texas Monthly, Texas Highways,
Trailer Life, Motor Trend, Car & Driver, Truck Trend, Road & Track, Fire
Engineering. My wife has several others.

[dm_callier]

But are they high capacity magazines?

[bill horne]

He probably has extended subscriptions instead.

[MaxD]

Only if I clip them together.

[Its Constitutional]

"JerryD(upstateNY)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message

news:kdk658$e77$1...@jerryd.eternal-september.org...

If you morons would pay attention to what Pete Williams said in that clip,
"there a lot of contradictory information". Of course, you with a mission,
not so hidden, probably find that disturbing because it interferes with your
bizarre and psychotic agenda.

[Its Constitutional]

"Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:50fd972f$0$9497$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...

Vito, why don't you come to Connecticut and talk to some of the LEOs that
discovered the bodies and the ME who had to identify the bodies, okay?
People like you and "JerryD" are scum, and the blood of those poor children
are on the hands of those like you.

Some of the children had to be identified by their clothing and/or DNA since
they were so shredded by the assault weapon that shattered their heads. The
entire incident lasted less than 10 minutes, only about 5 minutes in that
classroom.

Come on, you and Jerry come to Newtown, we'll tell you what happened, you
useless pieces of shit!

[ozm...@gmail.com]

Now that you have illustrated that, in response to a reasonable question, you are required to go on an emotional rant having nothing to do the the question.........

Are you informed enough to answer it ?

If not, or you care not to.......I suggest you leave the discussion and retire to grieve in private.

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

"Its Constitutional" wrote Of course, you with a mission,

not so hidden, probably find that disturbing because it
interferes with your bizarre and psychotic agenda. <<<

And you are close enough to the tragedy that you can't think well.
The democrat are using this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda,
using the "assault weapon" as the focal point.
Anyone can see this.
We are trying to point out to everyone (you included)
that there were no "assault weapons" used.


--
JerryD(upstateNY)

[Will Sill]

On 1/21/13 5:35 PM, bill horne wrote:
> JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>> "Vito" wrote Frankly, I'd like to hear from the LEOs on the scene -
>> what did they find and where?
>>
>> It was reported on NBC news that a rifle was found in the trunk of the
>> shooter's car, but he didn't bring it into the school.

bh:

> Well, Bad Hat provided us with a report from the CT State Police. Here
> it is again:
> http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

Surprise, surprise. We've been misled again!

Will

[Owen McKenzie]

Just saw this this AM.

"I know school officials are on high alert to prevent any school
shootings, but maybe step one should be getting a grip on reality. Case
in point: In Mount Carmel, Pennsylvania, a girl was interrogated and
suspended from school for making a terroristic threat after she
allegedly threatened to shoot a classmate while waiting for a school
bus. The budding terrorist was a five-year-old kindergarten student, and
her “weapon” was a pink Hello Kitty soap bubble pistol. Her attorney
called the charge “laughable.” She said the child doesn’t know anything
about Newtown, or what a “terroristic threat” is, and in fact is “the
least terroristic person in Pennsylvania.” But just to be safe,
Pennsylvania needs to change its laws and force that evil munitions
maker, Hello Kitty, to limit its guns to no more than seven soap bubbles."
- Mike Huckabee

--

Owen McKenzie
Posting from Largo, FL

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying
to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly
succeed, and are right."
-- H. L. Mencken

[MaxD]

On 1/21/2013 10:19 PM, ozm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:53:03 PM UTC-6, Its Constitutional wrote:

>>The usual crap from a troll.

> Now that you have illustrated that, in response to a reasonable question, you are required to go on an emotional rant having nothing to do the the question.........
>
> Are you informed enough to answer it ?
>
> If not, or you care not to.......I suggest you leave the discussion and retire to grieve in private.
>

You have been warned to avoid responding to a troll.
Your probation is now underway.

[MaxD]

Prima Facie evidence of the death of common sense.

[bill horne]

When I was a kid, we sometimes took water guns to school. All were
semiautomatic and held more than 10 squirts, most were concealable,
and many were black. Shootouts usually occurred outside at recess, but
sometimes broke out in the classroom or the halls.

If the carnage got too great, the eduauthorities would confiscate the
guns - until the end of the day. Only the sneakiest and most mentally
deranged outlaws among us managed to reload before boarding the bus -
and for the whole trip home, only the bad guys had guns. For the
lawabiders among us, it was a terrifying trip.

My personal favorite school assault pistol looked like this one:
http://img0.etsystatic.com/005/0/5846651/il_fullxfull.386059276_n92i.jpg

It was a Wee Gee pistol, and was a masterpiece of design - small,
leakfree, reliable, and accurate. The grip angle - whether by design
or luck - was nearly perfect. It became a natural extension of the arm
and hand, and with only minimal practice would hit exactly where you
wanted it to hit - instinctively.

And the Wee Gee was ahead of its time - black ones were readily
available at nearly every dimestore, and only the sissies carried a
color other than black.

[nothermark]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:43:40 -0500, bill horne <red...@rye.net>
wrote:

bridge of the nose works every time. ;-)

[Its Constitutional]

"JerryD(upstateNY)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message

news:kdl9ef$bv6$1...@jerryd.eternal-september.org...

You put "assault weapon" in quotes, so I'm sure you're playing games with
the words.

As I said, the incident in that classroom lasted barely five minutes. 20
children and a teacher were killed in that time. The LEAST number of
bullets that struck any of them was 2, and at least one child was struck by
11 bullets.

Some of them were unidentifiable after it was all over.

How do you think that happened?

[nothermark]

Good targeting skills and no return fire. The key is no return fire.

[Frank Howell]

Hank wrote:

> On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:18:21 AM UTC-5, JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>> Did everyone see that the shooter at the school, had 4 handguns
>>
>> and NO "ASSAULT WEAPONS" in the school ?
>>

>> You know, those (incorrectly called) assault weapons that
>>
>> everyone is screaming about and passing laws about ?
>>
>> They weren't even involved in this terrible crime.
>>
>>
>>

>> --
>>
>> JerryD(upstateNY)
>
> So you want to ban only the weapons used in the school shootings and
> not assault Weapons? What's your point? :-)
>
> Hank <~~~~ Thinks Jerry D needs a writing class

What weapons can't be used as assault weapons?
What I'm getting at, wouldn't it be pointless to call them weapons if they
can't be used to assault someone?


--
Frank Howell

[MaxD]

All of my weapons are firearms. Except for a bayonet that came off a
German Mauser.

[Hank]

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:20:55 PM UTC-5, Frank Howell wrote:

>
> > So you want to ban only the weapons used in the school shootings and
>
> > not assault Weapons? What's your point? :-)
>
> >
>
> > Hank <~~~~ Thinks Jerry D needs a writing class
>
>
>
> What weapons can't be used as assault weapons?
>
> What I'm getting at, wouldn't it be pointless to call them weapons if they
>
> can't be used to assault someone?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Frank Howell

Good point!

Hank

[Frank Howell]

You set your arms on fire to assault someone? Man, are you Bad!

--
Frank Howell

[MaxD]

My arms aren't really on fire. It's just a magic trick I learned in
Liechtenstein.

[bill horne]

Or maybe it's arm shingles.

[MaxD]

The only shingles I have are on the roof.

[Its Constitutional]

"JerryD(upstateNY)" <jer...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message

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You may want to read this:

http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php#ixzz2IvrbOHhC

[Its Constitutional]

<ozm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Everyone but the radical gun fanatics know the answer to that idiotic
question. The children and school employees were shot with a bushmaster.
Everyone but the radical gun fanatics know that.

Check this report by the Connecticut State Police:

State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle

Lt. J. Paul Vance, the face of an ongoing Connecticut State Police
investigation into worst grade school shooting in U.S. history, on Thursday
debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza
killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that
is now the focus of a proposed federal assault weapons ban.

All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223 caliber semi-automatic
rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an
interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

"It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the
waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman.

Multiple Second Amendment and gun owner websites have attempted to cast
doubts on whether the Bushmaster XM-15, a type of AR-15 rifle that is
currently legal, was used in the Dec. 14 carnage by Lanza.

Some have cited a Dec. 15 "Today" show video clip from the day after the
shooting, in which NBC News Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams
said that four handguns were recovered inside Sandy Hook Elementary School
and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by
Lanza's slain mother, Nancy Lanza.

"There's no doubt that the rifle was used solely to kill 26 people in that
school," Vance said.

Twenty children ages 7 and under and six female educators were killed when
Lanza forced his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and sprayed the
building with bullets before turning a gun on himself.

Vance said he made it abundantly clear during his media briefings since the
tragedy that Lanza carried out the shooting with the Bushmaster rifle.

"I personally articulated that probably a dozen times in Newtown," Vance
said.

The only time Lanza used a handgun at the school was to commit suicide,
according to Vance.

The State Police went so far as a to issue a news release on Jan. 18 listing
the weapons recovered from inside the school, which included the Bushmaster,
a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9-mm handgun. An Izhmash Canta-12
12-gauge shotgun was seized from the trunk of the suspect's car.

Sales of AR-15 assault rifles would be banned under the Assault Weapons Ban
of 2013, which was introduced Thursday on Capitol Hill and is being
sponsored by Connecticut Sens. Richard Blumenthal and Christopher Murphy, as
well as Newtown's new Congresswoman Elizabeth Esty. Democratic Rep. Jim
Himes, whose district immediately borders Newtown, is also a co-sponsor.

"There's no question that the AR-15 was used, the Bushmaster shot those
children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre,"
Blumenthal told Hearst Thursday after a Capitol Hill news conference. "Those
children and educators might well be alive today if not for the assault
weapon and high-capacity magazines."

A message thread entitled "AR-15 was NOT used in Newtown CT Shooting!"
appeared Wednesday on the website AR15.com, which accused media outlets such
as CNN and host Piers Morgan of running with the story to promote its
liberal anti-gun agenda.

"I remember in the initial hours of this shooting, the police said they
found the rifle in the car," the anonymous poster wrote. "But the
administration-controlled (mainstream media) had a pre-planned attack
already waiting, to ban so-called assault weapons and jumped on that line of
reporting, knowing it was a lie, which included people like Piers Morgan who
said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as
if it were a machine gun."

Blumenthal had not heard of the chatter.

"The shotgun was in the trunk of the car," Blumenthal said. "The Bushmaster
and two pistols were brought into the schoolhouse."

In a statement, Himes questioned whether gun owners need the firepower of
weapons like the Bushmaster.

"It does not take a military-style gun to kill a deer, have fun at the
shooting range, or protect your family," Himes said. "This bill strikes an
ideal balance between keeping our communities safe and preserving the
freedoms of American gun owners. I look forward to working with my
colleagues to send this bill to the president's desk."

A message seeking comment from Bushmaster Firearms International was left
Thursday at its Madison, N.C., headquarters.

Read more:
http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php#ixzz2IwhLFLHF

[Vito]

"Its Constitutional" <An...@supernews.com> wrote

| You may want to read this:
|
|
http://www.greenwichtime.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php#ixzz2IvrbOHhC

By gawd, you're right. So was the Warren Commission about JFK being
killed by a bullet from a Carcano carbine fired from 100s of yards away
that passed thru Kennedy, the beak seat of a car, into the governors leg
and was found on his stretcher in near priestine condition. Gotta debunk
them conspiracy theorists. Next thing they'll claim that our beloved Atty.
General was behind "straw" sales to Mexican drug cartels. :-)

[Vito]

"Its Constitutional" <An...@supernews.com> wrote ....|

| "It does not take a military-style gun to kill a deer, have fun at the
| shooting range, or protect your family," Himes said. "This bill strikes
an
| ideal balance between keeping our communities safe and preserving the
| freedoms of American gun owners. I look forward to working with my
| colleagues to send this bill to the president's desk."

No it does not take a military-style gun to kill a deer, have fun at the
shooting range, or protect your family, but these guns have most of their
parts in common with their military brethern so they benefit from mass
production. That makes them about half the price of, say, a Weatherby of
equal accuracy and reliability - or did before the scare. Ditto their
ammo. check prices on surplus .223 vs civilian 30-30.

Now if Mr Himes could just explain how banning them will make our
communities safe when you are more likely to be hit by lightning than shot
with an AR-15.

[Bruce S]

On 1/25/2013 8:19 AM, Vito wrote:
> "Its Constitutional" <An...@supernews.com> wrote ....|
> | "It does not take a military-style gun to kill a deer, have fun at the
> | shooting range, or protect your family," Himes said. "This bill strikes
> an
> | ideal balance between keeping our communities safe and preserving the
> | freedoms of American gun owners. I look forward to working with my
> | colleagues to send this bill to the president's desk."
>
> No it does not take a military-style gun to kill a deer, have fun at the
> shooting range, or protect your family, but these guns have most of their
> parts in common with their military brethern so they benefit from mass
> production. That makes them about half the price of, say, a Weatherby of
> equal accuracy and reliability - or did before the scare. Ditto their
> ammo. check prices on surplus .223 vs civilian 30-30.

Far more importantly, the Second Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do
with hunting or having fun at the range - it is about defending
yourself, your family, your community or your country. In fact, it is
primarily about overthrowing a despotic government - and that means
having guns exactly equal to what the standing army has.

Even the 1939 Supreme Court case Miller vs The United States said that
the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was for "the preservation or efficiency
of a well regulated militia." Unfortunately because Miller died before
the case made it to the SCOTUS his case was not presented and the court
ruled that Miller had not presented evidence that short barreled
shotguns were appropriate for use in the military - thus ANY gun that is
found to be appropriate for the military is also appropriate for
possession and use by "The People."

--
Bruce

Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one
else can see. Arthur Schopenhauer