Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
of that is true.
9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
small business jobs.
7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
"death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
proposes a board to impose cost controls.
6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
stopping its nuclear program.
4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
building."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
remarks, stories and out and out lies.
I'm not sure who originally compiled this damning list of Joe's lies from the debate, but I'm VERY sure - just from the few moments I watched his performance - that this is a very incomplete list. Like 0 himself, Biden can hardly open his mouth without lying or at least distorting the facts.
> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
> 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
> of that is true.
> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
> small business jobs.
> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
> proposes a board to impose cost controls.
> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
> stopping its nuclear program.
> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
> 1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
> building."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
> remarks, stories and out and out lies.
On Oct 13, 5:31 am, Will Sill <w...@epix.net> wrote:
> On 10/13/12 12:54 AM, Jan Orme posted this item.
> I'm not sure who originally compiled this damning list of Joe's lies
> from the debate, but I'm VERY sure - just from the few moments I watched
> his performance - that this is a very incomplete list. Like 0 himself,
> Biden can hardly open his mouth without lying or at least distorting the
> facts.
> Will
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's from The Breitbart TV people, Will. And as it says, those are
just their top 11 Lies. Other folks have lists also that you can
Google.
We have grown so used to the lies from this Administration that it is
now hard to keep track of the long list. It's a wonder that Biden
didn't come out in a Clown Suit.
However, Funny Face Crud aside, this ain't funny anymore. This
Administration has LIED to us about the Safety Of Our Own State
Department people tahat are now DEAD! Murdered because of their RANK
actions in not providing them asked for Security.
This goes WAY beyond tyhis Election or anything else in my mind. They
put our people in Harms Way and then left them Hung Out To Dry and
Die!
Heads should roll. It's Hillary's State Department. She should be the
first one FIRED. Then all the way to the Top on November 6. PERIOD.
> On Oct 13, 5:31 am, Will Sill <w...@epix.net> wrote:> On 10/13/12 12:54 AM, Jan Orme posted this item.
> > I'm not sure who originally compiled this damning list of Joe's lies
> > from the debate, but I'm VERY sure - just from the few moments I watched
> > his performance - that this is a very incomplete list. Like 0 himself,
> > Biden can hardly open his mouth without lying or at least distorting the
> > facts.
> > Will
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It's from The Breitbart TV people, Will. And as it says, those are
> just their top 11 Lies. Other folks have lists also that you can
> Google.
> We have grown so used to the lies from this Administration that it is
> now hard to keep track of the long list. It's a wonder that Biden
> didn't come out in a Clown Suit.
> However, Funny Face Crud aside, this ain't funny anymore. This
> Administration has LIED to us about the Safety Of Our Own State
> Department people tahat are now DEAD! Murdered because of their RANK
> actions in not providing them asked for Security.
> This goes WAY beyond tyhis Election or anything else in my mind. They
> put our people in Harms Way and then left them Hung Out To Dry and
> Die!
> Heads should roll. It's Hillary's State Department. She should be the
> first one FIRED. Then all the way to the Top on November 6. PERIOD.
> On Oct 13, 5:31 am, Will Sill <w...@epix.net> wrote:> On 10/13/12 12:54 AM, Jan Orme posted this item.
> > I'm not sure who originally compiled this damning list of Joe's lies
> > from the debate, but I'm VERY sure - just from the few moments I watched
> > his performance - that this is a very incomplete list. Like 0 himself,
> > Biden can hardly open his mouth without lying or at least distorting the
> > facts.
> > Will
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It's from The Breitbart TV people, Will. And as it says, those are
> just their top 11 Lies. Other folks have lists also that you can
> Google.
> We have grown so used to the lies from this Administration that it is
> now hard to keep track of the long list. It's a wonder that Biden
> didn't come out in a Clown Suit.
> However, Funny Face Crud aside, this ain't funny anymore. This
> Administration has LIED to us about the Safety Of Our Own State
> Department people tahat are now DEAD! Murdered because of their RANK
> actions in not providing them asked for Security.
> This goes WAY beyond tyhis Election or anything else in my mind. They
> put our people in Harms Way and then left them Hung Out To Dry and
> Die!
> Heads should roll. It's Hillary's State Department. She should be the
> first one FIRED. Then all the way to the Top on November 6. PERIOD.
> Watch this VIDEO:
> Mother Of Slain State Dep't Official Is Tired Of Being Ignored By
> Obama Administrationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ldyGsZ1Io&feature=related > Jan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oops! Trouble in The West Wing! Looks like I may get part of my wish.
>Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
>just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
>media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
>opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
>Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
>Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
>Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
>interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
>Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
>Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
>that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
>which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
>endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
>10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
>thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
>to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
>had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
>Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
>up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
>called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
>administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
>of that is true.
>9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
>is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
>that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
>enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
>picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
>Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
>month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
>sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
>8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
>millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
>more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
>with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
>business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
>labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
>billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
>non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
>small business jobs.
>7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
>seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
>about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
>diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
>talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
>reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
>"death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
>proposes a board to impose cost controls.
>6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
>million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
>an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
>cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
>security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
>called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
>spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
>merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
>5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
>attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
>program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
>weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
>its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
>causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
>Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
>loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
>stopping its nuclear program.
>4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
>vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
>That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
>and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
>The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
>contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
>That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
>administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
>3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
>was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
>the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
>extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
>an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
>But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
>Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
>brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
>2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
>to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
>telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
>today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
>if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
>As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
>count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
>that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
>1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
>through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
>specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
>security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
>inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
>attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
>his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
>government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
>building."
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
>the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
>demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
>Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
>master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
>that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
>Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
>tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
>Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
>asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
>when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
>some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
>due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
>again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
>she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
>remarks, stories and out and out lies.
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Jan Orme <JanOrm...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>> The Top Ten Biden Whoppers
>> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
>> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
>> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
>> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
>> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
>> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
>> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
>> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
>> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
>> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
>> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
>> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
>> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
>> 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
>> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
>> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
>> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
>> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
>> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
>> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
>> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
>> of that is true.
>> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
>> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
>> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
>> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
>> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
>> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
>> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
>> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
>> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
>> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
>> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
>> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
>> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
>> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
>> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
>> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
>> small business jobs.
>> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
>> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
>> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
>> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
>> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
>> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
>> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
>> proposes a board to impose cost controls.
>> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
>> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
>> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
>> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
>> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
>> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
>> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
>> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
>> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
>> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
>> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
>> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
>> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
>> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
>> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
>> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
>> stopping its nuclear program.
>> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
>> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
>> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
>> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
>> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
>> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
>> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
>> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
>> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
>> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
>> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
>> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
>> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
>> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
>> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
>> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
>> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
>> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
>> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
>> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
>> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
>> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
>> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
>> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
>> 1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
>> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
>> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
>> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
>> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
>> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
>> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
>> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
>> building."
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
>> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
>> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
>> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
>> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
>> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
>> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
>> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
>> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
>> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
>> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
>> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
>> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
>> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
>> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
>> remarks, stories and out and out lies.
> How can one tell if a politician is lyining? Their lips are moving.
> ;-)
You still need to learn to read - that was a list made from the Republican convention, not the debate. And half of the listed complaints were, themselves, lies.
-- Bruce
"The truth is hate speech for those who hate truth."
>On 10/14/2012 8:31 AM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Jan Orme <JanOrm...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> The Top Ten Biden Whoppers
>>> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
>>> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
>>> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
>>> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
>>> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
>>> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
>>> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
>>> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
>>> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
>>> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
>>> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
>>> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
>>> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
>>> 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
>>> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
>>> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
>>> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
>>> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
>>> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
>>> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
>>> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
>>> of that is true.
>>> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
>>> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
>>> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
>>> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
>>> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
>>> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
>>> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
>>> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
>>> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
>>> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
>>> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
>>> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
>>> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
>>> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
>>> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
>>> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
>>> small business jobs.
>>> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
>>> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
>>> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
>>> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
>>> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
>>> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
>>> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
>>> proposes a board to impose cost controls.
>>> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
>>> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
>>> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
>>> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
>>> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
>>> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
>>> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
>>> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
>>> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
>>> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
>>> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
>>> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
>>> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
>>> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
>>> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
>>> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
>>> stopping its nuclear program.
>>> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
>>> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
>>> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
>>> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
>>> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
>>> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
>>> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
>>> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
>>> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
>>> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
>>> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
>>> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
>>> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
>>> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
>>> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
>>> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
>>> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
>>> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
>>> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
>>> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
>>> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
>>> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
>>> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
>>> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
>>> 1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
>>> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
>>> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
>>> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
>>> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
>>> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
>>> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
>>> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
>>> building."
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
>>> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
>>> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
>>> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
>>> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
>>> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
>>> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
>>> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
>>> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
>>> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
>>> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
>>> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
>>> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
>>> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
>>> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
>>> remarks, stories and out and out lies.
>> How can one tell if a politician is lyining? Their lips are moving.
>> ;-)
>You still need to learn to read - that was a list made from the >Republican convention, not the debate. And half of the listed >complaints were, themselves, lies.
You assume too much. All I was saying is all both sides do is lie.
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:41:16 -0700, Bruce S <bruce.sn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 10/14/2012 8:31 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Jan Orme <JanOrm...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The Top Ten Biden Whoppers
>>>> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
>>>> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
>>>> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
>>>> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
>>>> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
>>>> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
>>>> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
>>>> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
>>>> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
>>>> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
>>>> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
>>>> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
>>>> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
>>>> 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
>>>> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
>>>> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
>>>> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
>>>> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
>>>> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
>>>> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
>>>> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
>>>> of that is true.
>>>> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
>>>> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
>>>> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
>>>> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
>>>> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
>>>> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
>>>> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
>>>> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
>>>> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
>>>> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
>>>> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
>>>> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
>>>> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
>>>> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
>>>> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
>>>> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
>>>> small business jobs.
>>>> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
>>>> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
>>>> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
>>>> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
>>>> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
>>>> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
>>>> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
>>>> proposes a board to impose cost controls.
>>>> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
>>>> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
>>>> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
>>>> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
>>>> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
>>>> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
>>>> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
>>>> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
>>>> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
>>>> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
>>>> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
>>>> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
>>>> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
>>>> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
>>>> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
>>>> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
>>>> stopping its nuclear program.
>>>> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
>>>> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
>>>> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
>>>> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
>>>> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
>>>> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
>>>> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
>>>> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
>>>> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
>>>> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
>>>> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
>>>> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
>>>> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
>>>> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
>>>> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
>>>> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
>>>> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
>>>> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
>>>> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
>>>> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
>>>> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
>>>> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
>>>> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
>>>> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
>>>> 1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
>>>> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
>>>> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
>>>> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
>>>> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
>>>> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
>>>> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
>>>> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
>>>> building."
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
>>>> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
>>>> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
>>>> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
>>>> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
>>>> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
>>>> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
>>>> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
>>>> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
>>>> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
>>>> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
>>>> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
>>>> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
>>>> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
>>>> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
>>>> remarks, stories and out and out lies.
>>> How can one tell if a politician is lyining? Their lips are moving.
>>> ;-)
>> You still need to learn to read - that was a list made from the
>> Republican convention, not the debate. And half of the listed
>> complaints were, themselves, lies.
> You assume too much. All I was saying is all both sides do is lie.
No, you said, "Must be Ryan talked less:" The only conclusion that can be drawn from that statement is that you believed the link referred to the debate - either that, or you simply aren't smart enough to stick to the topic being discussed: debate lies.
What's the matter, couldn't you find a HuffPo link about Ryan's "lies"?
-- Bruce
"The truth is hate speech for those who hate truth."
>On 10/14/2012 10:26 AM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:41:16 -0700, Bruce S <bruce.sn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2012 8:31 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Jan Orme <JanOrm...@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The Top Ten Biden Whoppers
>>>>> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
>>>>> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
>>>>> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
>>>>> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
>>>>> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
>>>>> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
>>>>> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
>>>>> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
>>>>> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
>>>>> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
>>>>> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
>>>>> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
>>>>> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
>>>>> 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
>>>>> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
>>>>> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
>>>>> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
>>>>> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
>>>>> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
>>>>> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
>>>>> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
>>>>> of that is true.
>>>>> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
>>>>> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
>>>>> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
>>>>> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
>>>>> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
>>>>> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
>>>>> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
>>>>> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
>>>>> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those
>>>>> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
>>>>> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
>>>>> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
>>>>> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
>>>>> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
>>>>> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
>>>>> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
>>>>> small business jobs.
>>>>> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
>>>>> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
>>>>> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
>>>>> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
>>>>> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
>>>>> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
>>>>> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
>>>>> proposes a board to impose cost controls.
>>>>> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
>>>>> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
>>>>> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
>>>>> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
>>>>> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
>>>>> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
>>>>> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
>>>>> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
>>>>> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
>>>>> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
>>>>> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
>>>>> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
>>>>> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
>>>>> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
>>>>> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
>>>>> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
>>>>> stopping its nuclear program.
>>>>> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
>>>>> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
>>>>> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
>>>>> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
>>>>> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
>>>>> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
>>>>> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
>>>>> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
>>>>> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
>>>>> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
>>>>> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
>>>>> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
>>>>> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
>>>>> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
>>>>> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
>>>>> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
>>>>> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
>>>>> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
>>>>> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
>>>>> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
>>>>> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
>>>>> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
>>>>> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
>>>>> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
>>>>> 1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
>>>>> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
>>>>> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
>>>>> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
>>>>> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
>>>>> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
>>>>> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
>>>>> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
>>>>> building."
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
>>>>> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
>>>>> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
>>>>> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
>>>>> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
>>>>> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
>>>>> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
>>>>> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
>>>>> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
>>>>> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
>>>>> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
>>>>> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
>>>>> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
>>>>> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
>>>>> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
>>>>> remarks, stories and out and out lies.
>>>> How can one tell if a politician is lyining? Their lips are moving.
>>>> ;-)
>>> You still need to learn to read - that was a list made from the
>>> Republican convention, not the debate. And half of the listed
>>> complaints were, themselves, lies.
>> You assume too much. All I was saying is all both sides do is lie.
>No, you said, "Must be Ryan talked less:" The only conclusion that can >be drawn from that statement is that you believed the link referred to >the debate - either that, or you simply aren't smart enough to stick to >the topic being discussed: debate lies.
>What's the matter, couldn't you find a HuffPo link about Ryan's "lies"?
No, I just searched for "ryan lies" and did not read it. I already
have seen too much from him. Just for you I limited this one to "ryan
lies debate":
> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:41:16 -0700, Bruce S <bruce.sn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On 10/14/2012 8:31 AM, nothermark wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Jan Orme <JanOrm...@aol.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> The Top Ten Biden Whoppers
> >>>> Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--
> >>>> just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the
> >>>> media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his
> >>>> opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
> >>>> Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
> >>>> Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan."
> >>>> Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's
> >>>> interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both
> >>>> Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director
> >>>> Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true
> >>>> that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--
> >>>> which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were
> >>>> endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.
> >>>> 10. "With all due respect, that s a bunch of malarkey....not a single
> >>>> thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried
> >>>> to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan
> >>>> had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the
> >>>> Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak
> >>>> up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration
> >>>> called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama
> >>>> administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All
> >>>> of that is true.
> >>>> 9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This
> >>>> is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--
> >>>> that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister
> >>>> enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a
> >>>> picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically,
> >>>> Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last
> >>>> month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that
> >>>> sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
> >>>> 8. "Just let the taxes expire like they re supposed to on those
> >>>> millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning
> >>>> more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families
> >>>> with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report
> >>>> business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly
> >>>> labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and
> >>>> billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the
> >>>> non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of
> >>>> small business jobs.
> >>>> 7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It
> >>>> seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff
> >>>> about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to
> >>>> diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never
> >>>> talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple
> >>>> reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention
> >>>> "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare
> >>>> proposes a board to impose cost controls.
> >>>> 6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300
> >>>> million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was
> >>>> an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to
> >>>> cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy
> >>>> security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which
> >>>> called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary
> >>>> spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign
> >>>> merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
> >>>> 5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's
> >>>> attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear
> >>>> program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear
> >>>> weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than
> >>>> its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran,
> >>>> causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East.
> >>>> Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the
> >>>> loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not
> >>>> stopping its nuclear program.
> >>>> 4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a
> >>>> vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.
> >>>> That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact,
> >>>> and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie.
> >>>> The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide
> >>>> contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.
> >>>> That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the
> >>>> administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
> >>>> 3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I
> >>>> was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and
> >>>> the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to
> >>>> extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for
> >>>> an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts.
> >>>> But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill
> >>>> Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some
> >>>> brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
> >>>> 2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it
> >>>> to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been
> >>>> telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare
> >>>> today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--
> >>>> if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare.
> >>>> As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-
> >>>> count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly
> >>>> that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
> >>>> 1. "Well, we weren t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied
> >>>> through his teeth about the fact that the administration--
> >>>> specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that
> >>>> security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was
> >>>> inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya
> >>>> attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described
> >>>> his frustration with having those requests turned down by the
> >>>> government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the
> >>>> building."
> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>> When you have no ideas as this administration has shown, you rely upon
> >>>> the Alinsky tactic of lies about your position and your opponent,
> >>>> demonization of your opponent, make your opponent a laughing stock.
> >>>> Joe did all of that, probably under orders from David Axelrod, a
> >>>> master of Chicago Thug politics. Remember, they had started reporting
> >>>> that Obama's performance was flawed due to the unbelievable lies
> >>>> Romney was telling in the first debate. Once again, the Obama
> >>>> tradition of excuse making is always in high gear.
> >>>> Biden's lies were so glaring that any impartial moderator would have
> >>>> asked further questions about them. In fairness to Martha Raddatz,
> >>>> when she did question Biden, he turned hostile, red in the face. In
> >>>> some cases he hit the table. He was always pointing with his pen,which
> >>>> due to the natural of the split screen seemed to be stabbing Ryan
> >>>> again and again. She was more than likely intimidated by Biden, but
> >>>> she did not allow Ryan to complete his points or respond to Biden's
> >>>> remarks, stories and out and out lies.
> >>> How can one tell if a politician is lyining? Their lips are moving.
> >>> ;-)
> >> You still need to learn to read - that was a list made from the
> >> Republican convention, not the debate. And half of the listed
> >> complaints were, themselves, lies.
> > You assume too much. All I was saying is all both sides do is lie.
> No, you said, "Must be Ryan talked less:" The only conclusion that can
> be drawn from that statement is that you believed the link referred to
> the debate - either that, or you simply aren't smart enough to stick to
> the topic being discussed: debate lies.
> What's the matter, couldn't you find a HuffPo link about Ryan's "lies"?
> --
> Bruce
> "The truth is hate speech for those who hate truth."
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Good assessment, Bruce. Watching these clowns run our country and our
foreign policy is like watching nomark the Marxist Clown twist and
turn and like watching monkeys at the zoo practicing self abuse while
Rome Burns!! The D.C. Clowns have to be delt with. The nomark Clown is
just a waste
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