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nothermark

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May 20, 2013, 9:53:02 PM5/20/13
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We were discussing pressure cookers with folks who have lived around a
lot more places than we have and the comment was made that anywhere
over 5000 ft you need a pressure cooker. Given that Yellowstone lake
is at ~7700 ft do we need to plan on having cooking problems? Any
tips appreciated.

Bruce S

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May 20, 2013, 10:15:51 PM5/20/13
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I love my pressure cooker and use it all the time, but no one NEEDS a
pressure cooker. Just adjust cooking time for the altitude and you
should have no problems.

--
Bruce

"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can
win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can
profit."

jerryosage

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May 20, 2013, 10:34:13 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:53:02 -0400, nothermark <nothe...@not.here>
wrote:
At that elevation water will boil at about 198 F. Years ago when we
were still hiking and backpacking the only thing we noticed was that
it took a little longer to cook things in boiling water - oatmeal,
pasta, etc. Even later in various trailers and MHs we never carried a
PC. At Lake City Co. at 9600' where water boils at about 195 we had
no problems. Just cooked the cream of wheat and pasta a little
longer.

Best I could tell bacon cooks a little faster at high elevations
because it lost moisture faster. Grilling steaks always seemed to be
just the same. Baking - well usually packaged goods mentions
different bake times for high altitudes.

Take one along if you want, but unless you wanted to boil a tough
chicken or possum in a hurry I don't think you need one.

Jerry O.

Bob Hatch

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May 20, 2013, 10:55:43 PM5/20/13
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On 5/20/2013 6:53 PM, nothermark wrote:
> We were discussing pressure cookers with folks who have lived around a
> lot more places than we have and the comment was made that anywhere
> over 5000 ft you need a pressure cooker.

For what? Are you planning on canning stuff while you camp?

Given that Yellowstone lake
> is at ~7700 ft do we need to plan on having cooking problems?

Like what?

Any
> tips appreciated.
>

We've spent over 11 months in YNP, and never used or felt we needed a
pressure cooker. Also spent 2 months around Gunnison, Co. and additional
time at elevations from 5,000 up to over 8,000 and never had any
problems cooking anything.

You need to talk to people with more common sense and experience.

--
I do not carry a gun hoping that
I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than
I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat
tire.
Me.

richard

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May 21, 2013, 12:34:17 AM5/21/13
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Hell, I lived in Breckenridge Co for two winters.
Never owned a pressure cooker and Breck is at 9600 feet.
The trick is, turn your flame down and cook longer.

nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 7:21:36 AM5/21/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:55:43 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/20/2013 6:53 PM, nothermark wrote:
>> We were discussing pressure cookers with folks who have lived around a
>> lot more places than we have and the comment was made that anywhere
>> over 5000 ft you need a pressure cooker.
>
>For what? Are you planning on canning stuff while you camp?
>
> Given that Yellowstone lake
>> is at ~7700 ft do we need to plan on having cooking problems?
>
>Like what?
>
> Any
>> tips appreciated.
>>
>
>We've spent over 11 months in YNP, and never used or felt we needed a
>pressure cooker. Also spent 2 months around Gunnison, Co. and additional
>time at elevations from 5,000 up to over 8,000 and never had any
>problems cooking anything.
>
>You need to talk to people with more common sense and experience.

The person who mentioned it was a retired Army Apache pilot who
started in the Rangers then went back to school and went into flying.
Now he is retired and a ROTC instructor. He has been around enough
that he usually has a point.

I think Jerry hit what I was looking for instead of just complaining
about me asking.

nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 7:25:30 AM5/21/13
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Thanks. I knew about the baking issue as I read boxes. When I was in
Denver a few years ago I did not notice a problem but I was not
cooking anything fancy. I expect we will not bother but it's good to
know what to watch.

nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 7:26:36 AM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 00:34:17 -0400, richard <nor...@example.com>
wrote:
Thanks. I think we will try not to be that high a lot. ;-)

Bob Hatch

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May 21, 2013, 9:36:12 AM5/21/13
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All of that doesn't say much, except that you apparently didn't ask him
"why", and he doesn't really know much about cooking at 5,000 feet and
above, except for maybe in an Apache helicopter.
>
> I think Jerry hit what I was looking for instead of just complaining
> about me asking.
>

And this is one of your really big problems. Your reading ability and
comprehension sucks. At no point in my post to you did I complain about
you asking.

We did nothing special in our stays at high elevations except to follow
the instructions on cake mixes, if we ever made a cake.

nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 10:06:25 AM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 06:36:12 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
We both knew why. He has lived at high altitudes while I have only
visited for short times.




>>
>> I think Jerry hit what I was looking for instead of just complaining
>> about me asking.
>>
>
>And this is one of your really big problems. Your reading ability and
>comprehension sucks. At no point in my post to you did I complain about
>you asking.

"For what? Are you planning on canning stuff while you camp?" Did not
really set a friendly informative tone.



>
>We did nothing special in our stays at high elevations except to follow
>the instructions on cake mixes, if we ever made a cake.

Why not just say that in the first place?

dm_callier

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May 21, 2013, 10:26:09 AM5/21/13
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I've spent 80% of my life above 5000 feet and have never owned a
pressure cooker. The boiling point of liquids is lower, so adjust
recipes accordingly.

MaxD

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May 21, 2013, 10:39:40 AM5/21/13
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We have had pressure cookers for as long as we've been married.
Wouldn't be without one.
Our favorite since the kids left the coop is a 4 quart model; we have
two, one for the house and one in the trailer.
We don't cook much while traveling but the cooker is so much faster than
conventional that it's really worthwhile to have.
Along with the microwave we consider it indispensable.

Max, the indispensable cook

Janet Wilder

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May 21, 2013, 2:02:16 PM5/21/13
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I've been using them since I was 12 years old. Don't have one in the
RV, but have always had one in the house (and in the fivers when they
were "the house") Some things just come out better (and faster) in the
pressure cooker.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

MaxD

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May 21, 2013, 3:30:57 PM5/21/13
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Yep. Chicken is more moist and tender (especially for tacos, enchiladas,
flautas and/or tamales.
Beef and pork is more tender (for beef stew) or sweet & sour pork.
Carrots retain better flavor.
ditto potatoes.
Swiss steak
Pepper steak
etc.,etc. ;-)

K Miller

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May 21, 2013, 4:07:53 PM5/21/13
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Bob Hatch wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 4:21 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>
>> The person who mentioned it was a retired Army Apache pilot who
>> started in the Rangers then went back to school and went into flying.
>> Now he is retired and a ROTC instructor. He has been around enough
>> that he usually has a point.
>
> All of that doesn't say much, except that you apparently didn't ask
> him "why", and he doesn't really know much about cooking at 5,000
> feet and above, except for maybe in an Apache helicopter.

I guess the inability to cook at altitude explains why all the Denverites
are starving to death, huh?


MaxD

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May 21, 2013, 5:05:14 PM5/21/13
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Well, Dumbo, Even the Denverites don't all cook at altitude.
Most of them cook while they're at home. sheesh.


bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 5:17:48 PM5/21/13
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Denver is not at altitude - it may not even be halfway to altitude.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 5:20:41 PM5/21/13
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All of you who have used those two words will be getting a visit from
men in suits.

nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 5:21:13 PM5/21/13
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You may recall that I was in Denver for 3 weeks several years ago.
That is why I was surprised at the 5000 ft comment he made. I always
thought it was higher. I do know the 10,000 ft + climbers carry them
and they do not carry stuff they do not need.

bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 5:31:09 PM5/21/13
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I've flatspotted a number of times above 10,000 ft, and I didn't carry
one. And didn't need one. Anyone who thinks they do, should carry one.
And use it. What I really needed above 10K was an O2 bottle to keep
the damcampfire going.

MaxD

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May 21, 2013, 5:49:14 PM5/21/13
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I already have mine registered.
Several knives as well.

RonB

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May 21, 2013, 6:16:32 PM5/21/13
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We own two of them and consider them pretty important for garden canning - an older small one for small batches and a large one when we have a large amount of produce that needs to be canned. But that is all we need cookers for.

We have camped and cooked at 8,000 to 10,000 several times feet and agree that cooking is a little different but is more a matter of time than anything. You can cook most anything to exactly the same degree and flavor but it will take a little longer. You might have to get up a little earlier if you have you body calibrated for coffee at a specific time.

Now, exploding potato chip bags -- that's another matter.

RonB

K Miller

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May 21, 2013, 6:24:53 PM5/21/13
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This is what the reknowned nm posted:

">and the comment was made that anywhere
> over 5000 ft you need a pressure cooker."

Denver, being the "Mile High" city would be over 5,000 feet, would it not?
Therefore and henceforth, they may not cook their food without a pressure
cooker. Sheesh. Try to keep up.


K Miller

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May 21, 2013, 6:25:52 PM5/21/13
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You misspelled "knaves"...


nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 7:51:43 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:31:09 -0400, bill horne <red...@rye.net>
wrote:
Good to hear. I have not camped that high or even close to it.
Highest I have been so far was probably ~ 7400 ft at Buffalo Bill's
grave on Lookout Mountain. I could feel the altitude.

I think the climber deal is that as one goes higher the pressure
cooker slows down fuel consumption in a marginal situation. I saw
them at places that catered to folks doing Everest style climbing.
Nobody was passing out instruction books. ;-)

Frank Howell

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May 21, 2013, 8:08:10 PM5/21/13
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What the hell you doin' at 10K, Sherpa school?

--
Frank Howell


Bob Hatch

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May 21, 2013, 8:20:37 PM5/21/13
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Yes. Thin people all, or as mark would call them "folks". I think I'll
open up a pressure cooker store in Denver. :-)

Bob Hatch

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May 21, 2013, 8:22:49 PM5/21/13
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I do not have one of those any more. I sold it at a pressure cooker show
several years ago, and don't have the sales receipt anymore. It was lost
in a trash fire.

MaxD

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May 21, 2013, 8:39:16 PM5/21/13
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On 5/21/2013 4:24 PM, K Miller wrote:

> This is what the reknowned nm posted:
>
> ">and the comment was made that anywhere
>> over 5000 ft you need a pressure cooker."

NM has not established a reputation for being well versed in the English
language.

Had he said, "...and the comment was made that anywhere over 5000 ft you
need a pressure cooker. (still NM) Now I'm guessing that the
speaker/commenter meant that in a situation where you find it necessary
to boil or steam something and you're at an altitude that's over 5000
ft, a pressure cooker is highly advised. Have any of you veteran RV
travelers who had the occasion to cook, in this case meaning to boil or
steam something, at an altitude exceeding 5000 ft, found it necessary or
perhaps advisable to use a pressure cooker"?
(further MN)
"Since I may soon be traveling to altitudes that include locations above
5000 ft and I might find it necessary or advisable (or even merely
desirable) to boil or steam certain foods, I'm really interested in
learning if it might be necessary or advisable for me to purchase a
pressure cooker."

"Your advice in this matter will be deeply appreciated."

("Just don't get on my ass for asking a stupid question because there
aren't any stupid questions, only stupid answers)"

"Yours for many safe miles of travel,"

"Oh, please excuse the length of my query but I want to be sure that
those of you who need great detail in any question and are reluctant to
assume anything I thought I would provide as much information as possible."

"Yours for many miles of safe travel"

"(oh, I already said that didn't I)"


MaxD

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May 21, 2013, 8:43:47 PM5/21/13
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WOW!! 10,000 times feet. That's really getting up there.
I'm impressed. Did you go over any passes on the way? ;-)

Max, I think Mt Evans is the highest I've ever been in a vehicle
designed for ground travel.

Ron

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May 21, 2013, 9:00:51 PM5/21/13
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"RonB" wrote in message
news:abb22d56-0a43-4312...@googlegroups.com...
++++++
Especially the first time it happens to you. After that you know to expect
the new bag of chips to explode somewhere around 10,000 feet.
Ron
++++++

RonB


bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 9:03:10 PM5/21/13
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Just because you're not keeping up enough to know I'm keeping up
doesn't mean I'm not keeping up.

bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 9:10:33 PM5/21/13
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You can't go to school to become a Sherpa anymore than you can go to
school to become a redneck.

bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 9:19:24 PM5/21/13
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Since the Administration is leading the way and setting the example,
just tell them you don't know if you have one - or ever had one. If
they balk at that, accuse them of politicizing inappropriateness.

Bob Hatch

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May 21, 2013, 9:59:55 PM5/21/13
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One of what?

nothermark

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May 21, 2013, 10:17:38 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:20:37 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/21/2013 1:07 PM, K Miller wrote:
>> Bob Hatch wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2013 4:21 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The person who mentioned it was a retired Army Apache pilot who
>>>> started in the Rangers then went back to school and went into flying.
>>>> Now he is retired and a ROTC instructor. He has been around enough
>>>> that he usually has a point.
>>>
>>> All of that doesn't say much, except that you apparently didn't ask
>>> him "why", and he doesn't really know much about cooking at 5,000
>>> feet and above, except for maybe in an Apache helicopter.
>>
>> I guess the inability to cook at altitude explains why all the Denverites
>> are starving to death, huh?
>>
>>
>
>Yes. Thin people all, or as mark would call them "folks". I think I'll
>open up a pressure cooker store in Denver. :-)

"you people" has negative connotations. If you can think of a better
term than folks trot it out.

Tom J

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May 21, 2013, 10:44:13 PM5/21/13
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MaxD wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 4:24 PM, K Miller wrote:
>
>> This is what the reknowned nm posted:
>>
>> ">and the comment was made that anywhere
>>> over 5000 ft you need a pressure cooker."
>
> NM has not established a reputation for being well versed in the
> English language.
>
> Had he said, "...and the comment was made that anywhere over 5000 ft
> you need a pressure cooker. (still NM) Now I'm guessing that the
> speaker/commenter meant that in a situation where you find it
> necessary to boil or steam something and you're at an altitude that's over
> 5000
> ft, a pressure cooker is highly advised. Have any of you veteran RV
> travelers who had the occasion to cook, in this case meaning to boil
> or steam something, at an altitude exceeding 5000 ft, found it
> necessary or perhaps advisable to use a pressure cooker"?

We have a 14 quart pressure cooker (holds 13 1 quart jars at the time when
canning) and have never considered taking it with us when RVing. We have
camped in several places that were above 5000 ft and never had a problem
cooking. It just takes longer!!

Tom J


bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 10:52:54 PM5/21/13
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I don't know.

K Miller

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May 21, 2013, 10:58:41 PM5/21/13
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I've not only kept up but that blur you saw was me blowing by you like an
FTL bullet. I'm so far ahead of you I know what you posted yesterday.


bill horne

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May 21, 2013, 11:44:03 PM5/21/13
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That's not possible - I wear FTL shorts.

> I'm so far ahead of you I know what you posted yesterday.

That's just an opinion.

Bob Hatch

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May 21, 2013, 11:49:48 PM5/21/13
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It is not my job to improve our vocabulary.

nothermark

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May 22, 2013, 6:44:45 AM5/22/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:49:48 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/21/2013 7:17 PM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:20:37 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/21/2013 1:07 PM, K Miller wrote:
>>>> Bob Hatch wrote:
>>>>> On 5/21/2013 4:21 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The person who mentioned it was a retired Army Apache pilot who
>>>>>> started in the Rangers then went back to school and went into flying.
>>>>>> Now he is retired and a ROTC instructor. He has been around enough
>>>>>> that he usually has a point.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of that doesn't say much, except that you apparently didn't ask
>>>>> him "why", and he doesn't really know much about cooking at 5,000
>>>>> feet and above, except for maybe in an Apache helicopter.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the inability to cook at altitude explains why all the Denverites
>>>> are starving to death, huh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. Thin people all, or as mark would call them "folks". I think I'll
>>> open up a pressure cooker store in Denver. :-)
>>
>> "you people" has negative connotations. If you can think of a better
>> term than folks trot it out.
>>
>
>It is not my job to improve our vocabulary.

beats "morons".

nothermark

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May 22, 2013, 6:57:10 AM5/22/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:44:13 -0400, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
I remember those, Mom had one. I think it disappeared many years ago.
L's mother has one that is more like a regular cooking pot.

Will Sill

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May 22, 2013, 7:36:31 AM5/22/13
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bh:
>>>> All of you who have used those two words will be getting a visit from
>>>> men in suits.

BH:
>>> I do not have one of those any more. I sold it at a pressure cooker
>>> show several years ago, and don't have the sales receipt anymore. It
>>> was lost in a trash fire.

bh:
>> Since the Administration is leading the way and setting the example,
>> just tell them you don't know if you have one - or ever had one. If they
>> balk at that, accuse them of politicizing inappropriateness.

BH:
> One of what?
>

Thanx, guys, for some good laffs.

Will

K Miller

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May 22, 2013, 10:17:10 AM5/22/13
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Whew! At least you didn't refer to me as "that brown streak"...

>
>> I'm so far ahead of you I know what you posted yesterday.
>
> That's just an opinion.

You posted that yesterday.


bill horne

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May 22, 2013, 12:06:06 PM5/22/13
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I knew you were going to say that.

Hank

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May 22, 2013, 12:48:12 PM5/22/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:44:13 PM UTC-4, Tom J wrote:

>
> We have a 14 quart pressure cooker (holds 13 1 quart jars at the time when
>
> canning) and have never considered taking it with us when RVing. We have
>
> camped in several places that were above 5000 ft and never had a problem
>
> cooking. It just takes longer!!
>
>
>
> Tom J

You might want to check your math. Most 14 quart pressure cookers holds about 7-8 quart jars. Or, is yours special?

Hank

Tom J

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May 22, 2013, 3:43:50 PM5/22/13
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We have the evidence that we have a legitimate use for a pressure cooker in
our home. There are storage racks in our basement that has case after case
of canning jars full of caned fruit and vegetables that we grew on our
property!!

Canning information for those that don't have a clue:
http://missvickie.com/library/altitude.html

FACTS: You will notice that the boiling point of water changes shortly after
you leave sea level. Doraville, where we live is 1,070 feet above sea level
and straddles the Eastern continental divide which separates the water shed
between the Gulf & the Atlantic. Half of the city water runs into the Gulf
and 1/2 into the Atlantic. We are near the top of the ridge on the Gulf
side!!

Tom J


Bob Hatch

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May 22, 2013, 4:24:01 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 12:43 PM, Tom J wrote:
> Will Sill wrote:
>> bh:
>>>>>> All of you who have used those two words will be getting a visit
>>>>>> from men in suits.
>>
>> BH:
>>>>> I do not have one of those any more. I sold it at a pressure cooker
>>>>> show several years ago, and don't have the sales receipt anymore.
>>>>> It was lost in a trash fire.
>>
>> bh:
>>>> Since the Administration is leading the way and setting the example,
>>>> just tell them you don't know if you have one - or ever had one. If
>>>> they balk at that, accuse them of politicizing inappropriateness.
>>
>> BH:
>>> One of what?
>>>
>>
>> Thanx, guys, for some good laffs.
>>
>> Will
>
> We have the evidence that we have a legitimate use for a pressure cooker in
> our home. There are storage racks in our basement that has case after case
> of canning jars full of caned fruit and vegetables that we grew on our
> property!!

But, did you pass a background check? It sounds like yours is a high
capacity PC? Do you support banning all PC's over 3 quart? Do you
support universal background checks for buying or transferring a PC?

Well?

>
> Canning information for those that don't have a clue:
> http://missvickie.com/library/altitude.html
>
> FACTS: You will notice that the boiling point of water changes shortly after
> you leave sea level. Doraville, where we live is 1,070 feet above sea level
> and straddles the Eastern continental divide which separates the water shed
> between the Gulf & the Atlantic. Half of the city water runs into the Gulf
> and 1/2 into the Atlantic. We are near the top of the ridge on the Gulf
> side!!
>
> Tom J
>
>


Tom J

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May 22, 2013, 5:24:50 PM5/22/13
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I had just finished a tour of duty with the Air Force before we bought the
pressure cooker for canning farm raised fruits & vegetables, so NO I did not
take a background check since none was required no matter what I had been
doing at that time. We are talking about 60 years ago!! You should know
that almost all pressure cookers up to 24 quarts in the USA were bought and
are still owned by farmers!!

Tom J
Well? (whatever that means)

dm_callier

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May 22, 2013, 7:28:01 PM5/22/13
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You sure that's not a pressure canner? Does it have a gauge and a
relief valve?

MaxD

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May 22, 2013, 8:58:31 PM5/22/13
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We have one of those. I'd forgotten. When the next to youngest left the
nest we quit canning. The next to youngest is 49. :-(
And I wouldn't take that canner anywhere but from the attic to a yard
sale. ;-)

Lone Haranguer

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May 22, 2013, 9:02:25 PM5/22/13
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> Want a cheap pressure cooker? Put a rock on the lid of the
> kettle or pan you are using.

LZ

Tom J

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May 22, 2013, 9:25:48 PM5/22/13
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Those that were used as bombs were originally equipped with a gauge and
relief valve. They were removed because they wanted them to blow up!!

All vessels that cook under pressure have some kind of pressure relief to
prevent them from blowing up!! over the years we have also had some pressure
cooker pots that were 1 & 2 quart sizes. Those are long gone in yard sales.
We also went to the Farmer's Market and caned in their 100 quart steam fired
pressure cookers. BTW, I made a mistake in the original post. The one at
home holds 14 canning jars.

Tom J


Hank

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May 23, 2013, 5:58:54 AM5/23/13
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Have you checked what they are selling for? You might want to put that in you gun safe. :-)

Hank

Frank Howell

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May 23, 2013, 2:51:37 PM5/23/13
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Yah, but do you do background checks on pressure cooker buyers or do you
turn a blind eye? :-)

--
Frank Howell


MaxD

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