Full time campers in state parks
Tom J
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BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) - The recession is helping create a new
lifestyle in Alabama: Permanent camping.
Campgrounds across Alabama are filling with permanent residents
seeking less-stressful, less-expensive lifestyle. Campground operators
say it's an enticing option for both retired people and younger adults
who have fallen on hard times.
Alabama's state parks didn't allow full-time residents in its
campgrounds for decades. But it now allows full-time residents at Lake
Guntersville State Park and Wind Creek State Park near Alexander City.
State Parks Director Mark Easterwood said pressure from campers
created the change.
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Is the happening everywhere??
Tom J
Steve Wolf
mess!
Steve
www.wolfswords.com under the motorhome link
The Hamster
> Is the happening everywhere??
FWIW, in Ontario, Canada, we just rented a seasonal camping site at
Lyndhurst for our trailer... management announced recently they intend
to convert all existing seasonal sites to year-round fully serviced
sites within 10 years. No more seasonal camping. They already have
quite a few year-round residents... big house-type trailers with
insulated plumbing hook-ups and huge propane tanks.
We'll have to decide what to do if we're still there when the mandated
change occurs - either buy a house trailer and sell the Zeppelin... or
move.
David "The Hamster" Malone
nothermark
wrote:
>`
To some degree it has always been around. A lot of places make you
miove out after 14 days so there is a park rotation every two weeks or
the SO becomes the new site renter. I've seen it work both ways.
D. Arlington
"Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I hope not. Where are people who "camp" for the holidays and weekends
supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our senior "passport"
next week, we wont be using private CGs anymore - or will use them as little
as possible.
>
D. Arlington
"The Hamster" <mal...@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 3, 12:10 pm, "Tom J" <tomne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Is the happening everywhere??
FWIW, in Ontario, Canada, we just rented a seasonal camping site at
Lyndhurst for our trailer... management announced recently they intend
to convert all existing seasonal sites to year-round fully serviced
sites within 10 years. No more seasonal camping. They already have
quite a few year-round residents... big house-type trailers with
insulated plumbing hook-ups and huge propane tanks.
>>> It will then be a trailer park, not a campground.
The Hamster
> It will then be a trailer park, not a campground.
Does that mean we'll automatically become white trailer trash?
David "The horrified Hamster" Malone
Lone Haranguer
There have been families living in tents in parks and BLM lands along
the Colorado River for over 15 years that I'm aware of.
SSI recipients had a regular commune down at the Lake Corpus Christi KOA
for a few years until they got the boot. In those days the monthly
rent was only about $140. Pretty cheap living.
LZ
Lone Haranguer
LZ
Janet Wilder
>
> "The Hamster" <mal...@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:340dc2d3-5660-46cb...@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 3, 12:10 pm, "Tom J" <tomne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Is the happening everywhere??
>
> FWIW, in Ontario, Canada, we just rented a seasonal camping site at
> Lyndhurst for our trailer... management announced recently they intend
> to convert all existing seasonal sites to year-round fully serviced
> sites within 10 years. No more seasonal camping. They already have
> quite a few year-round residents... big house-type trailers with
> insulated plumbing hook-ups and huge propane tanks.
>
It will then be a trailer park, not a campground.
The term is "mobile home park" and there are some very lovely ones where
the residents take pride in their homes.
Also, here in the Lower Rio Grande Valley most of the RV parks have a
combination of mobile homes, park models and RVs.
I am constantly amazed by your limited knowledge.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
Frank Howell
I don't think it could happen in Calif. Probably 90% of the campgrounds are
without hookups. Also most of the campgrounds are $25 a day and those few
that have hookups are $39 a day.
--
Frank Howell
Chuck Norris
<inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>I hope not. Where are people who "camp" for the holidays and weekends
>supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our senior "passport"
>next week, we wont be using private CGs anymore - or will use them as little
>as possible.
>
Bwahaha.
- -
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson
Chuck Norris
Owen McKenzie
Become?
--
Owen McKenzie
Posting from Pigeon Forge, TN
2nd Chronicles 7:14
Ron Recer
"D. Arlington" <inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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cheaper by the month than many/most federal and state CG even with a senior
'passport! Of course those won't be at places like the Teton's,
Yellowstone, Grand Canyon etc.
Ron
Pegleg
> I don't think it could happen in Calif. Probably 90% of the campgrounds are
> without hookups. Also most of the campgrounds are $25 a day and those few
> that have hookups are $39 a day.
>
California is looking at selling some of its state
parks.
Brian
bobert
Pegleg <brian.peg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> California is looking at selling some of its state
> parks.
>
> Brian
Heard the other day the Feds want to take them over.
--
Hey! It compiles. Ship it.
Bobert
In Central California
D. Arlington
On Jul 3, 3:10 pm, "D. Arlington" <inva...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> It will then be a trailer park, not a campground.
Does that mean we'll automatically become white trailer trash?
>>> In some people's eyes... probably. ;-)
D. Arlington
"Janet Wilder" <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> D. Arlington wrote:
>>
>> "The Hamster" <mal...@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
>> news:340dc2d3-5660-46cb...@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 12:10 pm, "Tom J" <tomne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Is the happening everywhere??
>>
>> FWIW, in Ontario, Canada, we just rented a seasonal camping site at
>> Lyndhurst for our trailer... management announced recently they intend
>> to convert all existing seasonal sites to year-round fully serviced
>> sites within 10 years. No more seasonal camping. They already have
>> quite a few year-round residents... big house-type trailers with
>> insulated plumbing hook-ups and huge propane tanks.
>>
> It will then be a trailer park, not a campground.
>
>
> The term is "mobile home park" and there are some very lovely ones where
> the residents take pride in their homes.
*Here* we call them trailer parks or mobile home parks. Don't assume things
have the same names everywhere. They're "tags" here and "license plates" in
NY. There are other examples.
>
> Also, here in the Lower Rio Grande Valley most of the RV parks have a
> combination of mobile homes, park models and RVs.
I don't live in the lower Rio Grande Valley where most of the RV parks have
a
combination of mobile homes, park models and RVs. Here Trailer Parks are
primarily mobile homes.
> I am constantly amazed by your limited knowledge.
And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where you
do and things are the same everywhere.
Carl A. in FL
Stupid is as stupid does. Trash is as trash does.
--
Carl A. in FL
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
D. Arlington
"Lone Haranguer" <linu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> D. Arlington wrote:
>>
>> I hope not. Where are people who "camp" for the holidays and weekends
>> supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our senior "passport"
>> next week, we wont be using private CGs anymore - or will use them as
>> little as possible.
>>
> You're in for some major disappointments.
> LZ
Why? So far we've had much better experiences in State and COE CGs than
private CGs.
D. Arlington
"Ron Recer" <RonR...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "D. Arlington" <inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our senior "passport"
>> next week, we wont be using private CGs anymore - or will use them as
>> little as possible.
>>
> It would probably shock you to learn that some 'Expensive private CGs' are
> cheaper by the month than many/most federal and state CG even with a
> senior 'passport! Of course those won't be at places like the Teton's,
> Yellowstone, Grand Canyon etc.
>
> Ron
Not everyone camps by the month or camps at popular CGs in those places you
mention. If that were the case, we'd look for the best park with the best
prices for long term camping. Most of our camping will be in our own state
and for less than a week at a time. Our biggest gripe about private CGs
isn't the price per se, it's that lots are too small and too close together.
They're like trailer parking lots. Buttonwood in PA was like that as was
Fort Chizwell in VA. Good for overnight only or if you don't plan to hang
out "camping" there. Every COE we camped at had large shady lots with
privacy and enforced the quiet time rule. The private CGs did not.
D. Arlington
>
> There have been families living in tents in parks and BLM lands along the
> Colorado River for over 15 years that I'm aware of.
>
> SSI recipients had a regular commune down at the Lake Corpus Christi KOA
> for a few years until they got the boot. In those days the monthly
> rent was only about $140. Pretty cheap living.
> LZ
>
I'm curious. Why were they given the boot? It was a steady year round income
for the KOA park.
Lone Haranguer
The Senior Passport is not honored in most state parks and COE parks are
sparse in many states. I've traveled enough that I have my own list
of favored spots. I usually stay west of the big river though.
LZ
Lone Haranguer
The other customers didn't trust them and they got into a lot of
arguments about their lifestyle. They were drawing
SSI as "recovering alcoholics" and spent their days guzzling O'Douls.
LZ
Carl A. in FL
In addition, in those days KOAs typically charged $20 to $25/night
(including necessary extras).
$20 x 30 days = $600. Assume an occupancy rate of only 50% ... still a lot
more lucrative than renting by the month.
R.J.(Bob) Evans
<inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote about the "road princess":
>And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
>laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where you
>do and things are the same everywhere.
>
You may not have been around here for long but you've sure got Janet's
number.
--
R.J.(Bob) Evans
(return address needs alteration to work)
http://travellingwithgeorge.blogspot.com/
Pepperoni
> I'm curious. Why were they given the boot? It was a steady year round
> income for the KOA park.
>
>
In some states, once you occupy a rental for a length of time, you have
"tenants rights". It then takes court action to evict you after you fail
to pay rent. Easier to move them out after 89 days or 179 days, as the
case may be.
Laws vary and are tricky. Freeloaders know their rights and advocate
agencies. The owner could even be prevented from cutting electric and
water, for example.
Mike Hendrix
<inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>"Ron Recer" <RonR...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:0007de73$0$16760$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> "D. Arlington" <inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>> I hope not. Where are people who "camp" for the holidays and weekends
>>> supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our senior "passport"
>>> next week, we wont be using private CGs anymore - or will use them as
>>> little as possible.
>>>
>> It would probably shock you to learn that some 'Expensive private CGs' are
>> cheaper by the month than many/most federal and state CG even with a
>> senior 'passport! Of course those won't be at places like the Teton's,
>> Yellowstone, Grand Canyon etc.
>>
>> Ron
>
>Not everyone camps by the month or camps at popular CGs in those places you
>mention.
As you point out RV'ers are all different, very different. Some
"full-time" yet only experience a handful of parks/campgrounds each
year. You would think their 365 days per-year experience they would
be "knowledgable" but the fact of the matter is they only know about
those "handful" of campgrounds they stay in. Many weekend-warriors
have more experience than those "full-timers".
I would only expect a small percentage of RV'ers pay monthly rates.
Most, I would suspect, stay in any campground more than a few days to
a week at a time.
> Most of our camping will be in our own state
>and for less than a week at a time. Our biggest gripe about private CGs
>isn't the price per se, it's that lots are too small and too close together.
Price, is my gripe about private CG's. I do not use the amenities
they have to charge for and I do not want to pay for them. We do not
put out our awning and sit under the canopy drinking beer hoping
someone will walk by to talk to.
>. Every COE we camped at had large shady lots with
>privacy and enforced the quiet time rule.
Wow! Now that is different from what we have experienced. COE parks
have always been the worst when in comes to enforcing the rules. Some
COE parks are quiet during the week but even those become
"monkey-pins" on the weekend.
>The private CGs did not.
I have never experienced a private campground that didn't enforce
noise.
Like I said earlier we are all different and looking for different
things. Our commonality is our RV's and even those are different.
mike
--
Janet Wilder
>> I am constantly amazed by your limited knowledge.
>
> And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
> laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where
> you do and things are the same everywhere.
You are the one who has to brand everything according to your narrow
knowledge base.
I have RV'd in every state in the Union except Hawaii, every Canadian
province and the Yukon Territory. I'm a published author in RV and
travel publications, wrote a successful book about housekeeping in an RV
(proceeds of which went to charity) and was a frequently invited seminar
speaker at national RV Club rallies. What are your credentials?
I've crossed the US from coast to coast in an RV more times than you've
camped in a WalMart parking lot (and that's a considerable number since
you are too cheap to pay for a campground) I think that if you asked the
people who lived in what you are calling a "trailer park" where they
lived, they would call it a "mobile home park." Many people who live in
mobile home parks consider the term "trailer park" to be a pejorative.
(Look it up)
I have your number, sister, and I think others here do, too. You post a
question, we graciously provide you with answers and information then
you proceed to tell us why our information and answers are no good. If
anyone here is a troublemaker, it's not I.
Janet Wilder
Try staying at more than two campgrounds before you make a declaration
about all private campgrounds.
WE all know that you've only stayed in private campgrounds when there
was no parking lot you could freebee at.
Janet Wilder
> In some states, once you occupy a rental for a length of time, you have
> "tenants rights". It then takes court action to evict you after you fail
> to pay rent. Easier to move them out after 89 days or 179 days, as the
> case may be.
>
>
> Laws vary and are tricky. Freeloaders know their rights and advocate
> agencies. The owner could even be prevented from cutting electric and
> water, for example.
The management in the mobile home/RV park we used to stay at in Rio
Hondo are experiencing a similar problem. The people living in a mobile
home evacuated it and left no forwarding address. Back taxes to the city
are owed on it and the RV park wants to move it out, but they can't even
contract a mover without a title. The park owner has to go through
several legal processes to get the unit out of his park so he can rent
the space.
D. Arlington
"Carl A. in FL" <cha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And trash is found everywhere.
D. Arlington
"R.J.(Bob) Evans" <bob at rjevans dot org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:40:10 -0500 "D. Arlington"
> <inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote about the "road princess":
>
>>And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
>>laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where
>>you
>>do and things are the same everywhere.
>>
>
> You may not have been around here for long but you've sure got Janet's
> number.
It took about a week.........
D. Arlington
> D. Arlington wrote:
>>
>> "Lone Haranguer" <linu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7b783dF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> D. Arlington wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hope not. Where are people who "camp" for the holidays and weekends
>>>> supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our senior
>>>> "passport" next week, we wont be using private CGs anymore - or will
>>>> use them as little as possible.
>>>>
>>> You're in for some major disappointments.
>>> LZ
>>
>>
>> Why? So far we've had much better experiences in State and COE CGs than
>> private CGs.
>
> The Senior Passport is not honored in most state parks and COE parks are
> sparse in many states.
Here in TN there is no shortage and they all honor that passport. Our State
and COE parks can't be beat. Large wooded sites, privacy, quiet at night,
clean, wooded lakeside sites...... only thing missing is sewer hookups in
most, but we've learned to use a minimum of water when camping.
I've traveled enough that I have my own list
> of favored spots. I usually stay west of the big river though.
We'll be sticking mostly to the south and north east.
> LZ
Pegleg
> The management in the mobile home/RV park we used to stay at in Rio
> Hondo are experiencing a similar problem. The people living in a mobile
> home evacuated it and left no forwarding address. Back taxes to the city
> are owed on it and the RV park wants to move it out, but they can't even
> contract a mover without a title. The park owner has to go through
> several legal processes to get the unit out of his park so he can rent
> the space.
>
Same thing happened to a friend of ours here in
Washington. People bailed and the county won't
let her touch it. She finally had it moved to an
area on her property where it doesn't impact the
rest of the sites but she still can't do anything
with it and it has been 2 1/2 years.
Brian
D. Arlington
"Mike Hendrix" <mikeh...@isp.com> wrote in message
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>
> As you point out RV'ers are all different, very different. Some
> "full-time" yet only experience a handful of parks/campgrounds each
> year. You would think their 365 days per-year experience they would
> be "knowledgable" but the fact of the matter is they only know about
> those "handful" of campgrounds they stay in. Many weekend-warriors
> have more experience than those "full-timers".
At this point we want to try them all! :-) They're all new to us since we
only started camping last summer. I camped in the 70s, but that's another
story. We'll work our way farther and farther from home. We plan on one long
trip per year and the rest will be long weekends. We just got back from a
trip to PA and NY. A 2400 mi round trip. We only spent one night at a
Flying-J. We may hit Atlanta for a week this coming fall. I have to do
some Googling for State Parks around that city. I know what you're saying
about the full-timers. We've met a few on our travels these past two years.
>
> I would only expect a small percentage of RV'ers pay monthly rates.
> Most, I would suspect, stay in any campground more than a few days to
> a week at a time.
Most I've met so far mention they're staying "...for the week" or "...just
for the weekend."
>
>> Most of our camping will be in our own state
>>and for less than a week at a time. Our biggest gripe about private CGs
>>isn't the price per se, it's that lots are too small and too close
>>together.
>
> Price, is my gripe about private CG's. I do not use the amenities
> they have to charge for and I do not want to pay for them.
We feel the same way. I personally resent paying for pools and laundry rooms
and rec halls etc. myself. If we're not off somewhere, we're in the shade
sipping cold soda - just relaxing.
We do not
> put out our awning and sit under the canopy drinking beer hoping
> someone will walk by to talk to.
We don't mind people stopping to chat. Most have been very nice. But most
campers these days stay to themselves. Some don't even leave their rigs.
It's not like it was in the 1970s.
>
>>. Every COE we camped at had large shady lots with
>>privacy and enforced the quiet time rule.
> Wow! Now that is different from what we have experienced.
Tim's Ford, Cedars of Lebanon and Seven Points are the ones we've been to so
far here in TN. All had roomy shady sites. There were sunny sites if you
wanted them, but most were shady.
COE parks
> have always been the worst when in comes to enforcing the rules. Some
> COE parks are quiet during the week but even those become
> "monkey-pins" on the weekend.
All three of these parks were quiet. At Seven Points some nitwit came in,
set up a tent and turned on a boom box. In less than an hour the "parkie"
came and paid them a visit. They turned off the noise and were quiet the
rest of the weekend.
> I have never experienced a private campground that didn't enforce
> noise.
At Buttonwood the campers across from us turned on a ballgame after supper.
They screamed and screeched and yelled and the lady pounded on the table
every time something happened that excited her. I don't know if they were
drunk or not. The office was already closed so everyone had to endure the
hysterical screaming and pounding on that metal table until after 11 PM.
Never again. >:-( These are limited experiences to be sure but left a bed
impression about private CGs.
> Like I said earlier we are all different and looking for different
> things. Our commonality is our RV's and even those are different.
This is so true. We have 2 married daughters and a son. Two are into tent
camping and one has no interest in camping at all.
>
> mike
> --
>
>
D. Arlington
> D. Arlington wrote:
>> I'm curious. Why were they given the boot? It was a steady year round
>> income for the KOA park.
>
> The other customers didn't trust them and they got into a lot of arguments
> about their lifestyle. They were drawing
> SSI as "recovering alcoholics" and spent their days guzzling O'Douls.
> LZ
Oh! :-\
D. Arlington
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In that case.... if I were a CG owner I would do the same thing. I didn't
know that was going on.
Janet Wilder
Just another case of laws passed to supposedly protect someone that make
it impossible for the law-abiding, tax-paying people to get on with
making a living.
nothermark
And we all know you are living off the fat of the well screwed
taxpayers back home. I'd be a bit carefull when slinging insults as
the government is capable if converting pensions to SSI and has done
it in the past as a money saving move.
nothermark
Check out Massachusetts and Vermont - half the price of NY. Also
check passortamerica - good deals can be had.
NotMe
For the most part (in Texas and Louisiana, don't know about other states)
anything that carries a MV type title the matter can be resolved with a
public notice of abandoned property and a bit of paperwork. One of my
nephews ended up with two FEMA trailers (one deer camp and one fishing camp)
when FEMA parked them on his property and flat refused to move them after
proper notice.
Pegleg
> I see Bob is vying for Will's old job as the number one wanker chasing
> the women in the newsgroup around with his dick in his hand.
Dick in one hand and umbilical cord in the other
looking for a place to plug in!
Brian
Pegleg
> Just another case of laws passed to supposedly protect someone that make
> it impossible for the law-abiding, tax-paying people to get on with
> making a living.
Another ridiculous case here in WA...A WA
legislature wanted to move an older trailer onto a
piece of property but local laws prohibited
trailers over a certain age so hers didn't meet
the requirement. She had a law passed making that
prohibition illegal.
Brian
Mike Hendrix
<inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> The Senior Passport is not honored in most state parks and COE parks are
>> sparse in many states.
>
>Here in TN there is no shortage and they all honor that passport. Our State
>and COE parks can't be beat. Large wooded sites, privacy, quiet at night,
>clean, wooded lakeside sites...... only thing missing is sewer hookups in
>most, but we've learned to use a minimum of water when camping.
Are you saying that Tennessee State Parks offer 1/2 price camping for
folks with a "geezer-card" even folks from other states?
I know Louisiana does but was not aware of Tennessee doing the same
thing.
mike
--
Carl A. in FL
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> north where you came from.
Thank you for your intelligent contribution to the discussion,
You are, indeed, an invaluable RORT campfire participant.
Carl A. in FL
Bet you can't quote one, can you?
Would you mind also quoting a single RV-related post you've made?
Thank you and have a nice day.
Lone Haranguer
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:21:00 -0600, R.J.(Bob) Evans wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:40:10 -0500 "D. Arlington"
>> <inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote about the "road princess":
>>
>>> And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
>>> laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where
>>> you do and things are the same everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>> You may not have been around here for long but you've sure got Janet's
>> number.
>
> the women in the newsgroup around with his dick in his hand.
Is he chasing D. Arlington? Or just old bimbos?
LZ
Janet Wilder
> And we all know you are living off the fat of the well screwed
> taxpayers back home. I'd be a bit carefull when slinging insults as
> the government is capable if converting pensions to SSI and has done
> it in the past as a money saving move.
What are you talking about? Social security? Lots of people here are
getting social security. I paid into it and I'm collecting on my own,
not off my husband's account.
Back home? I live in Texas. Last time I heard it was still part of the USA.
My husband worked his butt off teaching retarded children in the New
York City school system for 32 years. He has a PhD and could have made a
whole lot more money in private industry, but he chose to do something
that most people wouldn't chose to do. He made a difference in a lot of
lives and he's damned proud of it. I'm proud of him, too.
He worked two jobs to put 6 kids through college because a teacher's
salary wasn't enough even when his spouse was working full-time. If he
is collecting a well-earned pension from the City of New York then he
deserves every penny of it. He paid into social security just like
everyone else. The government says you have to.
We saved our money in tax-deferred annuities and 401ks as well as in the
bank. When we RV'd we paid our own way though we used membership camping
(which we bought and paid for) to keep the cost down.
If you think that whiny woman who can finally go camping more often
because she gets some kind of price break via the government is better
than folks who worked hard and saved for their "golden years" then just
come out and say so.
Janet Wilder
home and doesn't have a MV title.
Lone Haranguer
LZ
Lone Haranguer
Barry may not be around long if his pension dries up....
LZ
Dfre...@abc.com
<kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>D. Arlington wrote:
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>>> I am constantly amazed by your limited knowledge.
>>
>> And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
>> laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where
>> you do and things are the same everywhere.
>
>You are the one who has to brand everything according to your narrow
>knowledge base.
>
>I have RV'd in every state in the Union except Hawaii, every Canadian
>province and the Yukon Territory. I'm a published author in RV and
>travel publications, wrote a successful book about housekeeping in an RV
>(proceeds of which went to charity) and was a frequently invited seminar
>speaker at national RV Club rallies. What are your credentials?
>
>I've crossed the US from coast to coast in an RV more times than you've
>camped in a WalMart parking lot (and that's a considerable number since
>you are too cheap to pay for a campground) I think that if you asked the
>people who lived in what you are calling a "trailer park" where they
>lived, they would call it a "mobile home park." Many people who live in
>mobile home parks consider the term "trailer park" to be a pejorative.
>(Look it up)
>
>I have your number, sister, and I think others here do, too. You post a
>question, we graciously provide you with answers and information then
>you proceed to tell us why our information and answers are no good. If
>anyone here is a troublemaker, it's not I.
You forgot to mention what a pain in the ass you are.
Chuck Norris
<inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>"R.J.(Bob) Evans" <bob at rjevans dot org> wrote in message
>news:00989d4e$0$29004$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:40:10 -0500 "D. Arlington"
>> <inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote about the "road princess":
>>
>>>And I am constantly amazed by your nasty small minded mean spiritedness,
>>>laughable haughtiness and ignorant assumptions that everyone lives where
>>>you
>>>do and things are the same everywhere.
>>>
>>
>> You may not have been around here for long but you've sure got Janet's
>> number.
>
>It took about a week.........
>
>
How about the other 'Twisted sister'?
--
Liberals. You can't talk to them and bullets are just so damned expensive!
Chuck Norris
Chuck Norris
>>
>> Bet you can't quote one, can you?
>>
>> Would you mind also quoting a single RV-related post you've made?
>>
>> Thank you and have a nice day.
>
>Fuck you and have an even nicer day, liver-can boy. Eat shit and die
>while you are at it. Are you the fucking net nanny this week. If so,
>fuck you again.
Nailed your snarky ass, huh.
Bwahahahahahahah.
Chuck
Chuck Norris
<kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Pepperoni wrote:
>
>> In some states, once you occupy a rental for a length of time, you have
>> "tenants rights". It then takes court action to evict you after you fail
>> to pay rent. Easier to move them out after 89 days or 179 days, as the
>> case may be.
>>
>>
>> Laws vary and are tricky. Freeloaders know their rights and advocate
>> agencies. The owner could even be prevented from cutting electric and
>> water, for example.
>
>The management in the mobile home/RV park we used to stay at in Rio
>Hondo are experiencing a similar problem. The people living in a mobile
>home evacuated it and left no forwarding address. Back taxes to the city
>are owed on it and the RV park wants to move it out, but they can't even
>contract a mover without a title. The park owner has to go through
>several legal processes to get the unit out of his park so he can rent
>the space.
Accidental fire time.
Carl A. in FL
>
> Fuck you and have an even nicer day, liver-can boy. Eat shit and die
> while you are at it. Are you the fucking net nanny this week. If so,
> fuck you again.
In view of your demonstrated verbal skills, I assume I can safely conclude
that you are a Liberal.
You ought to get together with Hunter, she loves to talk the way you do.
Bruce S
Last I knew, Nevada had about the most landlord friendly eviction laws in
the country. 15 days of non payment, and you are out - and the Marshall's
office will sent a deputy out to assist with the eviction.
Bruce
nothermark
<kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>nothermark wrote:
>
>> And we all know you are living off the fat of the well screwed
>> taxpayers back home. I'd be a bit carefull when slinging insults as
>> the government is capable if converting pensions to SSI and has done
>> it in the past as a money saving move.
>
>What are you talking about? Social security? Lots of people here are
>getting social security. I paid into it and I'm collecting on my own,
>not off my husband's account.
And you and your husband could end up on nothing but Social Security
just like DArlington if the state paying his pension collapses as it
could do.
>
>Back home? I live in Texas. Last time I heard it was still part of the USA.
>
>My husband worked his butt off teaching retarded children in the New
>York City school system for 32 years. He has a PhD and could have made a
>whole lot more money in private industry, but he chose to do something
>that most people wouldn't chose to do. He made a difference in a lot of
>lives and he's damned proud of it. I'm proud of him, too.
>
As somebody with a special ed teacher in the family and several more
teachers as friends and relatives I find that interesting. I have
meet very few teachers who could hold their own in an industrial job.
Most think they could but reality is most could not. If he did go
that route it seems he would just be hitting retirement assuming he
was not screwed over when his employer collapsed a few years ago.
>He worked two jobs to put 6 kids through college because a teacher's
>salary wasn't enough even when his spouse was working full-time. If he
>is collecting a well-earned pension from the City of New York then he
>deserves every penny of it. He paid into social security just like
>everyone else. The government says you have to.
I know - teaching is back loaded - the first few years they work the
hardest and are paid the least. After that they do quite well in NY.
You folks are in worse shape than I thought you were as I was not sure
if he was teaching in NY of NJ. CA is getting the headlines but NY is
right behind them with a state legislature that does not want to deal
with it. NYC has a time bomb in the police department that will drop
a huge financial burden on the Police department starting in a few
years.
>
>We saved our money in tax-deferred annuities and 401ks as well as in the
>bank. When we RV'd we paid our own way though we used membership camping
>(which we bought and paid for) to keep the cost down.
>
>If you think that whiny woman who can finally go camping more often
>because she gets some kind of price break via the government is better
>than folks who worked hard and saved for their "golden years" then just
>come out and say so.
I think you are entirely clueless about how most folks don't have the
easy ride you husband got as a teacher or the really nice pension and
benefits package. For starters assuming he was Tier I he probably
retired significantly earlier on a full pension so he had time to play
with another career while socking money way. Few folks made even
close to the money he did or have the pension he does let alone the
benefit package. I'm sure you cut corners - it's part of your
nature. OTOH you do it because you can as opposed to because you have
to. You have had a lot of rocks in your personal life but you also
have had a lot more rewards than the average person. Keep that in
mind and you won't keep coming of so arrogant.
nothermark
wrote:
>"Joe" <j...@astraweb.com> wrote in message
>news:000a37bc$0$2364$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> Fuck you and have an even nicer day, liver-can boy. Eat shit and die
>> while you are at it. Are you the fucking net nanny this week. If so,
>> fuck you again.
>
>
>In view of your demonstrated verbal skills, I assume I can safely conclude
>that you are a Liberal.
>
>You ought to get together with Hunter, she loves to talk the way you do.
You folks have a better eye than I do. JAWS or Landfill?
Hunter Hampton
>>In view of your demonstrated verbal skills, I assume I can safely conclude
>>that you are a Liberal.
>>
>>You ought to get together with Hunter, she loves to talk the way you do.
>
>You folks have a better eye than I do. JAWS or Landfill?
Carl? Just troll.
Hunter
nothermark
No, Joe
The Hamster
> Become?
Lol... good point, Owen...
David "The TT Hamster" Malone
Frank Howell
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:02:51 -0500, D. Arlington wrote:
>
>> "Lone Haranguer" <linu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7baidtF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> D. Arlington wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Lone Haranguer" <linu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7b783dF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> D. Arlington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> weekends supposed to go? Expensive private CGs? Once we get our
>>>>>> senior "passport" next week, we wont be using private CGs
>>>>>> anymore - or will use them as little as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why? So far we've had much better experiences in State and COE CGs
>>>> than private CGs.
>>>
>>> The Senior Passport is not honored in most state parks and COE parks
>>> are sparse in many states.
>>
>> Here in TN there is no shortage and they all honor that passport.
>> Our State and COE parks can't be beat. Large wooded sites, privacy,
>> quiet at night, clean, wooded lakeside sites...... only thing
>> missing is sewer hookups in most, but we've learned to use a minimum
>> of water when camping.
>>
>> I've traveled enough that I have my own list
>>> of favored spots. I usually stay west of the big river though.
>>
>> We'll be sticking mostly to the south and north east.
>>
>>> LZ
>
> Most of us here in the South would prefer you stayed the fuck in the
> north where you came from.
Go back to chasing cars.
--
Frank Howell
Frank Howell
> news:000a37bc$0$2364$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>> Fuck you and have an even nicer day, liver-can boy. Eat shit and die
>> while you are at it. Are you the fucking net nanny this week. If
>> so, fuck you again.
>
>
> In view of your demonstrated verbal skills, I assume I can safely
> conclude that you are a Liberal.
>
> You ought to get together with Hunter, she loves to talk the way you
> do.
Dang Carl, that person is just a troll, but somehow you had to bring Hunter
into the non-existent conversation. Naughty naughty.
--
Frank Howell
Pegleg
> Dang Carl, that person is just a troll, but somehow you had to bring Hunter
> into the non-existent conversation. Naughty naughty.
Carl has some serious problems!
Brian
Carl A. in FL
news:h2t5q7$k97$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Absolutely. When Hunter wrote me "Fuck You," my world came to an end, and
Joe's suggestion reopened the barely healed wounds that Hunter's suggestion
had cut.
You see, I live in a world where such language is generally attributed to
sluts, trash, and trolls - the type of people one really wouldn't want to
associate with.
Technobarbarian
"Carl A. in FL" <cha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:00003a37$0$7575$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Sooooo, of the 3, which one does that make you?
TB
Carl A. in FL
news:009ab01f$0$29000$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
I may answer your question in the spirit it was asked, provided that you
show by example how I routinely engage in the practice of using Joe's kind
of language.
And please, for once be intellectually honest and do not quote out of
context.
Thank you.
Owen McKenzie
> attributed to sluts, trash, and trolls - the type of people one
> really wouldn't want to associate with.
So do I, and I really hate it when about a 1/2 dozen people that I read
quote Joe, who I've plonked, spouting vulgarities.
--
Owen McKenzie
Posting from Pigeon Forge, TN
2nd Chronicles 7:14
Janet Wilder
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:31:05 -0500, Janet Wilder
> <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> nothermark wrote:
>>
>>> And we all know you are living off the fat of the well screwed
>>> taxpayers back home. I'd be a bit carefull when slinging insults as
>>> the government is capable if converting pensions to SSI and has done
>>> it in the past as a money saving move.
>> What are you talking about? Social security? Lots of people here are
>> getting social security. I paid into it and I'm collecting on my own,
>> not off my husband's account.
>
> And you and your husband could end up on nothing but Social Security
> just like DArlington if the state paying his pension collapses as it
> could do.
IIRC Darlington and her husband both worked in the health care industry.
I believe she once made the statement that they chose not to participate
in the company's retirement plan. If people choose to live for the
moment and not take the future into account, that is their business, but
they don't really have a right to whine about their meager retirement
income when they did have the opportunity to provide for themselves.
>> Back home? I live in Texas. Last time I heard it was still part of the USA.
>>
>> My husband worked his butt off teaching retarded children in the New
>> York City school system for 32 years. He has a PhD and could have made a
>> whole lot more money in private industry, but he chose to do something
>> that most people wouldn't chose to do. He made a difference in a lot of
>> lives and he's damned proud of it. I'm proud of him, too.
>>
>
> As somebody with a special ed teacher in the family and several more
> teachers as friends and relatives I find that interesting. I have
> meet very few teachers who could hold their own in an industrial job.
> Most think they could but reality is most could not.
...and these are the people who are educating our future generations.
You think this is a good thing?
>If he did go
> that route it seems he would just be hitting retirement assuming he
> was not screwed over when his employer collapsed a few years ago.
He's 68. He would have been lucky to have kept any benefits in today's
economy. Even back in 1995, I was "downsized" because I was pushing 50
and a "liability" because I was vested in the pension plan. As for
making it in the corporate world, he was going to college and studying
engineering when he worked in a summer program for retarded children. He
found it so rewarding that he gave up on a more lucrative future to do
something that I doubt anyone reading this would have chosen to do.
Instead of deprecating him, you should be applauding him.
>> He worked two jobs to put 6 kids through college because a teacher's
>> salary wasn't enough even when his spouse was working full-time. If he
>> is collecting a well-earned pension from the City of New York then he
>> deserves every penny of it. He paid into social security just like
>> everyone else. The government says you have to.
>
> I know - teaching is back loaded - the first few years they work the
> hardest and are paid the least. After that they do quite well in NY.
> You folks are in worse shape than I thought you were as I was not sure
> if he was teaching in NY of NJ. CA is getting the headlines but NY is
> right behind them with a state legislature that does not want to deal
> with it. NYC has a time bomb in the police department that will drop
> a huge financial burden on the Police department starting in a few
> years.
I don't know what you think NYC pays its teachers but when he retired in
1995 he had just hit the $60,000 mark. That's with extra money for his
two advanced degrees, a few dollars for his special education license
and 32 years on the job. You think that's good money?
The state has nothing to to with his pension. It's from The City. They
are separate funds and separately managed and administrated. It's secure
and even if it wasn't we prepared for our future by SAVING so we didn't
have to rely on pensions or social security if something happened.
>> We saved our money in tax-deferred annuities and 401ks as well as in the
>> bank. When we RV'd we paid our own way though we used membership camping
>> (which we bought and paid for) to keep the cost down.
>>
>> If you think that whiny woman who can finally go camping more often
>> because she gets some kind of price break via the government is better
>> than folks who worked hard and saved for their "golden years" then just
>> come out and say so.
>
> I think you are entirely clueless about how most folks don't have the
> easy ride you husband got as a teacher or the really nice pension and
> benefits package.
Easy ride! There was never a time in his working life that he didn't
have to work a second job to support his family. He was up at the crack
of dawn to deliver newspapers. The family helped on Sundays. When he
became too ill to do the paper routes, he drove airport limousines. If
he has a nice retirement plan, he earned every penny and every benefit.
As for the wonderful benefits package, it sure didn't keep me from
having to pay over $40,000 in cash from my own pocket for my cancer
treatment. You have some weird illusions.
The father of my children who also taught elementary school was never
home because he worked every night and on the weekends, too. My neighbor
worked in the Ford Motor plant. He was home with his kids every night
and all weekend long. He never finished high school.
For starters assuming he was Tier I he probably
> retired significantly earlier on a full pension so he had time to play
> with another career while socking money way.
He took a buy-out one year before his 55th birthday. It was either that
or go out on disability.
>Few folks made even
> close to the money he did or have the pension he does let alone the
> benefit package.
Most of the people we know who were not teachers made way more money.
The pension is a "thank you" for the sweat and the effort that went into
helping other people's children while not being able to spend enough
time with his own because he needed to make enough money to support
them. You have some strange ideas about teachers. He's not making
millions on his pension. It's probably less than a corporate pension for
a worker of the same amount of years.
>I'm sure you cut corners - it's part of your
> nature. OTOH you do it because you can as opposed to because you have
> to. You have had a lot of rocks in your personal life but you also
> have had a lot more rewards than the average person. Keep that in
> mind and you won't keep coming of so arrogant.
Barry's heart is functioning at 30%. He has advanced diabetes and a
degenerated herniated disc in his spine which can't be helped because of
his other conditions. I have half a tongue and will never recover from
the side effects of the radiation. I live with the knowledge that the
kind of cancer I had is more likely to return than to not come back.
Yesterday was the 13th anniversary of my daughter's death. Both of us
would give up those "rewards" to have her back and to have our health.
Tell me again how lucky we are. There are few who would trade places
with us.
I was a single mom for 5 years and I struggled to support my children
working full-time while going to college in the evening to get my BA so
that I could give them a better life. There were nights when I went to
bed hungry because there was only enough food for them and not for me.
I still contributed to my 401K because I did not want to be a burden on
anyone when I was too old to work. I'm sure you have had a much easier life.
No one died and left me or Barry any money. We did not win any
lotteries. Just where the heck do you think we got this "largess" you
seem to credit us with.
Sorry, nothermark, you are just way off base. We have both worked hard
all of our lives and we were careful with our money because we had to
be, not because it was a whim. We planned for our retirement and did
without a lot so that we could give our kids an education while we saved
for our future. Don't consider us lucky or undeserving of our
retirement. We labored for every penny just like a lot of other good folks.
You should be going after whiny Mrs. Darlington who did not put money
away for her retirement and is now expecting the government to take care
of her.
bill horne
> Carl A. in FL wrote:
>> You see, I live in a world where such language is generally
>> attributed to sluts, trash, and trolls - the type of people one
>> really wouldn't want to associate with.
>
> So do I, and I really hate it when about a 1/2 dozen people that I read
> quote Joe, who I've plonked, spouting vulgarities.
>
Well, it beats spouting vigilantes.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
Technobarbarian
Unfortunately Google's group search isn't working at the moment, but
here you go:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.outdoors.rv-travel/2008-08/msg04635.html
One of the fun things about stuff like that is that once you throw it
out there it's allllllllll over the place. Of course the liver can insult
that you've become known by is one of your own insults that backfired on
you. Just because you're generally slightly more creative in your insults
than a simple FU it doesn't elevate them or you any. So, again, which one of
the 3 are you?
TB
Max
"Carl A. in FL" wrote
> Absolutely. When Hunter wrote me "Fuck You," my world came to an end, and
> Joe's suggestion reopened the barely healed wounds that Hunter's
> suggestion
> had cut.
>
> You see, I live in a world where such language is generally attributed to
> sluts, trash, and trolls - the type of people one really wouldn't want to
> associate with.
> --
> Carl A. in FL
> http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
Aw, Carl. You left out most soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, policemen,
firemen, most politicians, factory workers,
lots of doctors, lawyers. The list is long.
Max
Max
"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote in message
news:00825dcc$0$14474$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Vigilantes have been known to use the term.
Max ( do vigilantes spout?)
Carl A. in FL
news:Kqs4m.10457$Dx2....@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
Mixed company? As a means of communicating?
It's OK with me that you defend Joe's sickening behavior, if you are
comfortable with that.
But I doubt you would correspond the way he does.
I've met your wife ... I think she would make you rinse out your mouth/wash
your hands if you wrote like Joe does. And you would say "yes ma'm" and
follow orders.
Carl A. in FL
Context. Sorry you can't grasp that. Go spank someone.
I don't think I'd want to share a campfire with you.
Technobarbarian
Oh, I understand completely. You're so disinhibited on usenet that
you'll post all sorts of filth that you would never say to someone's face
and so egotistical that you think you can throw mud far more vile than the
stuff you're complaining about without having any of it stick to you.
The context of the accusation you threw at Gar was that you
misunderstood what he said. Under what circumstances is it ok to accuse
someone of being a pedophile when you have no basis for the accusation? Is
it ok when that's the only way you can think of to escalate the insults? In
what context is the word "slut" ok here? I'd really like to know so we have
some rational basis to distinguish the "sluts, trash, and trolls" who use FU
and such from the nice people using those phrases.
>
> I don't think I'd want to share a campfire with you.
Yeah, I suspect you wouldn't. In the first place I'm so low that I
object to accusing some one of being a pedophile unless there's some
reasonable basis to think that they are in fact a pedophile. About the best
that can be said about it is that it trivializes a horrific accusation. In
the second place I'm so rough and tumble that I would talk about the filth
you post to your face around the campfire.
TB
Frank Howell
> Owen McKenzie wrote:
>> Carl A. in FL wrote:
>>> You see, I live in a world where such language is generally
>>> attributed to sluts, trash, and trolls - the type of people one
>>> really wouldn't want to associate with.
>>
>> So do I, and I really hate it when about a 1/2 dozen people that I
>> read quote Joe, who I've plonked, spouting vulgarities.
>>
>
> Well, it beats spouting vigilantes.
Not if they came from Moby Dick.
--
Frank Howell
nothermark
<kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am not doing either one. I am dealing in reality. I know quite a
few engineers who were dumped the same way you were back in the early
90's. His age would have made him a target then and he would not have
had the state pension plan he has now.
>
>>> He worked two jobs to put 6 kids through college because a teacher's
>>> salary wasn't enough even when his spouse was working full-time. If he
>>> is collecting a well-earned pension from the City of New York then he
>>> deserves every penny of it. He paid into social security just like
>>> everyone else. The government says you have to.
>>
>> I know - teaching is back loaded - the first few years they work the
>> hardest and are paid the least. After that they do quite well in NY.
>> You folks are in worse shape than I thought you were as I was not sure
>> if he was teaching in NY of NJ. CA is getting the headlines but NY is
>> right behind them with a state legislature that does not want to deal
>> with it. NYC has a time bomb in the police department that will drop
>> a huge financial burden on the Police department starting in a few
>> years.
>
>I don't know what you think NYC pays its teachers but when he retired in
>1995 he had just hit the $60,000 mark. That's with extra money for his
>two advanced degrees, a few dollars for his special education license
>and 32 years on the job. You think that's good money?
In 1995 it was, and it's not bad now. In 1995 it put him in the top
40% if not top 20% of incomes. I have not looked at the table lately.
>
>The state has nothing to to with his pension. It's from The City. They
>are separate funds and separately managed and administrated. It's secure
>and even if it wasn't we prepared for our future by SAVING so we didn't
>have to rely on pensions or social security if something happened.
The state and the city are tied very closely. If one goes down the
other goes with it.
You keep emphasizing savings but you neglect the basic fact that
somebody making $60,000 / yr and somebody making $20,000 / yr both
saving 10% are in very different retirement positions.
>
>>> We saved our money in tax-deferred annuities and 401ks as well as in the
>>> bank. When we RV'd we paid our own way though we used membership camping
>>> (which we bought and paid for) to keep the cost down.
>>>
>>> If you think that whiny woman who can finally go camping more often
>>> because she gets some kind of price break via the government is better
>>> than folks who worked hard and saved for their "golden years" then just
>>> come out and say so.
>>
>> I think you are entirely clueless about how most folks don't have the
>> easy ride you husband got as a teacher or the really nice pension and
>> benefits package.
>
>Easy ride! There was never a time in his working life that he didn't
>have to work a second job to support his family. He was up at the crack
>of dawn to deliver newspapers. The family helped on Sundays. When he
>became too ill to do the paper routes, he drove airport limousines. If
>he has a nice retirement plan, he earned every penny and every benefit.
>As for the wonderful benefits package, it sure didn't keep me from
>having to pay over $40,000 in cash from my own pocket for my cancer
>treatment. You have some weird illusions.
He chose to work that way the same way I choose to work 45 - 50 hrs /
wk.
At least you had the $40,000. Most of us don't.
>
>The father of my children who also taught elementary school was never
>home because he worked every night and on the weekends, too. My neighbor
>worked in the Ford Motor plant. He was home with his kids every night
>and all weekend long. He never finished high school.
It's all a matter of priorities. And iin yur case the very high cost
of living in the NYC area.
>
>For starters assuming he was Tier I he probably
>> retired significantly earlier on a full pension so he had time to play
>> with another career while socking money way.
>
>He took a buy-out one year before his 55th birthday. It was either that
>or go out on disability.
Very nice deal too.
>
>>Few folks made even
>> close to the money he did or have the pension he does let alone the
>> benefit package.
>
>Most of the people we know who were not teachers made way more money.
>The pension is a "thank you" for the sweat and the effort that went into
>helping other people's children while not being able to spend enough
>time with his own because he needed to make enough money to support
>them. You have some strange ideas about teachers. He's not making
>millions on his pension. It's probably less than a corporate pension for
>a worker of the same amount of years.
Glad you are hanging out with the "right" folks.
Don't bother with the teacher sob story, I have too many in the
family.
I never said he was making millions. I have said and will say that he
is probably up in the top half of the country in retirement income
with a very nice benefit package compared to most folks. It is also
probably quite a bit more than he would have from the corporate world
as they were cutting back and would not have given him a buyout. They
probably would have laid him off at 50 couple if he was having health
problems. The reason given would have been poor productivity and
excess personnel as things slowed down. Seen it more than once.
>
>>I'm sure you cut corners - it's part of your
>> nature. OTOH you do it because you can as opposed to because you have
>> to. You have had a lot of rocks in your personal life but you also
>> have had a lot more rewards than the average person. Keep that in
>> mind and you won't keep coming of so arrogant.
>
> Barry's heart is functioning at 30%. He has advanced diabetes and a
>degenerated herniated disc in his spine which can't be helped because of
>his other conditions. I have half a tongue and will never recover from
>the side effects of the radiation. I live with the knowledge that the
>kind of cancer I had is more likely to return than to not come back.
>Yesterday was the 13th anniversary of my daughter's death. Both of us
>would give up those "rewards" to have her back and to have our health.
>
>Tell me again how lucky we are. There are few who would trade places
>with us.
Probably mor ethan you think.
I was not aware of that much of what both your health issues were
other than the fact that you had issues. At least you are alive.
>
>I was a single mom for 5 years and I struggled to support my children
>working full-time while going to college in the evening to get my BA so
>that I could give them a better life. There were nights when I went to
>bed hungry because there was only enough food for them and not for me.
>I still contributed to my 401K because I did not want to be a burden on
>anyone when I was too old to work. I'm sure you have had a much easier life.
>
> No one died and left me or Barry any money. We did not win any
>lotteries. Just where the heck do you think we got this "largess" you
>seem to credit us with.
>
>Sorry, nothermark, you are just way off base. We have both worked hard
>all of our lives and we were careful with our money because we had to
>be, not because it was a whim. We planned for our retirement and did
>without a lot so that we could give our kids an education while we saved
>for our future. Don't consider us lucky or undeserving of our
>retirement. We labored for every penny just like a lot of other good folks.
>
>You should be going after whiny Mrs. Darlington who did not put money
>away for her retirement and is now expecting the government to take care
>of her.
You just cannot get past the fact that she probably never had it to
put away. You did.
Raymond J. Johnson Jr.
his campfire?
I'll bet he'd love to have bill horne, Juicy Brucie, LZ, BILL P.
"The Lawyer" <G> and Bob Hatch around HIS campfire?
They could all whine about how liberals lie, cheat, and get away
with things which conservatives would be crucified for! Ain't it
awful! HawHawHaw!
As the fire burned down, they could then whisper what they'd do to
liberals, if they met up with one of those - Liberals! They they
could growl at each other, to show how serious they are about hating
YKW!
Of course, who would want to hang out with "Liver Can" in person?
HawHawHaw!
Cheer up Carl! I'm sure BILL P., and Linus would love to hear
stories about you using your panzerfaust on GIs in WWII? HawHawHaw!
Raymond
Lone Haranguer
> Cheer up Carl! I'm sure BILL P., and Linus would love to hear
> stories about you using your panzerfaust on GIs in WWII? HawHawHaw!
>
Probably you would be under the bed wetting your pants and cutting your
underwear into surrender flags...
LZ
bill horne
Yellow and brown surrender flags?
Bruce S
Well, he did have to be drafted before he would go into the service in the
'60s. Cowardice appears to be obvious.
Bruce
Carl A. in FL
>
>
> Yeah, I suspect you wouldn't. In the first place I'm so low that I
> object to accusing some one of being a pedophile unless there's some
> reasonable basis to think that they are in fact a pedophile. About the
> best that can be said about it is that it trivializes a horrific
> accusation. In the second place I'm so rough and tumble that I would talk
> about the filth you post to your face around the campfire.
>
> TB
>
No, it's because you are so dishonest that you misinterpret context, and so
incredibly stupid that you don't comprehend a "reductio ad absurdum"
statement.
Gar's jumping into a discussion and supporting an unsupportable accusation
was at precisely the same level of inappropriateness as my absurd accusation
to him. I'm sure you understood that but in your usualy dishonest fashion
chose to misinterpret.
Now, go practice your perversions on someone sick enough to appreciate it..
Lone Haranguer
> Lone Haranguer wrote:
>> Prison screw Don Lampson wrote:
>>> Cheer up Carl! I'm sure BILL P., and Linus would love to hear
>>> stories about you using your panzerfaust on GIs in WWII? HawHawHaw!
>>>
>> Are you saying you wouldn't defend YOUR home from an attacking army?
>>
>> Probably you would be under the bed wetting your pants and cutting
>> your underwear into surrender flags...
>> LZ
>
> Yellow and brown surrender flags?
>
LZ
Technobarbarian
What a coincidence, you told Gar he had missed the point too. Here's the
whole sick thing so Carl can't say I took it out of context:
On Aug 27 2008, 7:35 am, "Carl A." <chai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Gar" <olg...@myrvspace.com> wrote in message
>
> news:48b5635b$0$9628$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
>
>
> >> I guess to people like you accusing others of sexual deviancy
> >> without an iota of proof is quite normal.
>
> > Uh... Carl... if taking a peek up a womans skirt while nibbling on
> > her ankles is 'sexual deviency' I am one guilty puppy... <BG>
>
> You seem to specialize in missing points.
>
> Accusing someone, without one iota of proof, of getting his rocks of
> by fantasizing about peeking up Hunter's skirt while nibbling on her
> ankles, is - IMO - rather sick behavior.
>
> Of course, someone who gets his rocks off fantasizing about having
> pre-teen boyssuckhim off, would hardly agree. Right? Or are
> animals your specialty?
> --
> Carl A. in FL
> "The first mainstream African American who is articulate
> and bright and clean and a nice looking guy."
> The senior senator from Delaware describing the junior
> senator from Illinois.
TB
D. Arlington
"Janet Wilder" <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:000b4fef$0$1258$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> nothermark wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:31:05 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> nothermark wrote:
>>>
>>>> And we all know you are living off the fat of the well screwed
>>>> taxpayers back home. I'd be a bit carefull when slinging insults as
>>>> the government is capable if converting pensions to SSI and has done
>>>> it in the past as a money saving move.
>>> What are you talking about? Social security? Lots of people here are
>>> getting social security. I paid into it and I'm collecting on my own,
>>> not off my husband's account.
>>
>> And you and your husband could end up on nothing but Social Security
>> just like DArlington if the state paying his pension collapses as it
>> could do.
>
>
> IIRC Darlington and her husband both worked in the health care industry.
Just for the record. No Janet. "I" worked in the health care industry. He
worked in telecommunications.
> I believe she once made the statement that they chose not to participate
> in the company's retirement plan.
I never made any such statement. Neither of us had the opportunity to
participate on any company's retirement plans.
Snip!
Hunter Hampton
<inv...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>Snip!
Snip?
Is "snip" the new plonk?
Hunter
Mark Jones
I haven't had the health to directly defend myself, but I
have always done what I can to help the military have the
tools they need to build their weapons.
It is interesting to talk the guys at Norfolk, or one of the other
Naval yards, through a measurement they are making. They can
now build the large ship modules and know in advance that these
large pieces will fit together easily at the proper temperature.
Carl A. in FL
Thank you for making my point.
--
Carl A. in FL