Re: OT: Intellectual Assistance Has Come To RORT!
Lone Haranguer
Wonder if the Educator has learned about the sex life of chickens yet?
LZ
The Erudite Educator wrote:
> Yes, it's true. With the arrival of the ERUDITE EDUCATOR the RORT
> veils of ignorance and illiteracy shall be lifted as the Erudite
> Educator provides the mental vehicle to transport many RORT
> unfortunates into the new joy of intellectual enlightenment.
>
> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>
> The initial offering from the Erudite Educator will be the in-depth
> clarification of an often misused and misunderstood reference found on
> many newsgroups --- troll.
>
> Here, for the first time in the annals of usenet, is the true and
> accurate definition of that term. Read and learn!
>
> +++THE TRUE DEFINITION OF A "TROLL"+++
>
> When a person on a newsgroup is incorrectly referred to as being a
> "troll," the uneducated morons who apply that term of course are not
> talking about the creatures in folklore who live under a bridge (does
> Gar come to mind?) but a person of an entirely different nature.
>
> In reality, the term "troll" is often used by some to describe a
> poster they don't agree with or don't seem to like, even thought they
> don't even know them (which has never been a requirement of the
> numerous classless and shallow individuals commonly found on RORT).
> Many times it is overused or misused to describe a person when the
> one applying the moniker has little clue to what it really means.
>
> Let's explore exactly what a "troll" really is.
>
> A "troll" is basically a person who comes to a group, writes a post of
> substance that is intelligently and logically presented and that deals
> with a subject that might require effort and thought in order to
> properly process.
>
> This immediately triggers a very nervous condition within the
> elementary minds of many of the group's regulars as their brains are
> asked to actually respond to logic for the first time in ages. There
> is a whirlwind of neural activity as synapses snap and pop from one
> side of their cranial area to the other.
>
> A tumultuous period of disorientation follows and dizzy spells of
> varying degree envelop the hapless creatures as they try to deal with
> something now foreign to their neanderthal psyches.
>
> Thoughts like "OMG, I have to think," "Isn't there a "campfire rule"
> that no one can post anything that requires the use of brain waves or
> personal effort?" "Why an I being asked to think?" "Do I have to
> arrive at a rational and intelligent decision on this idea?" race
> through their troubled and resource-limited minds.
>
> As this confusion reigns supreme and the unanswered questions heavily
> burden the simpleton minds of some of the old-timers in the group, the
> tortured creatures now band together, as their cave dwelling ancestors
> once did, and begin to utter the only words of response to these new
> ideas that they know.
>
> In true misguided behavioral fashion coupled with the fear of the
> unknown and their "deer in the headlights" mentality, they lift their
> gnarled fingers, point toward the post and, in a guttural, near-
> unintelligible and almost animalistic tone, scream "IT'S A TROLL!."
>
> Then, of course, comes the pea-brained chorus of, "killfile the
> troll!" After that comes the self-congratulatory back-patting for
> taking such an "original" course of action. Yes, sir, run back into
> the old cave and stick your head into the nearest small crack in the
> wall so you can remain blissfully deaf, dumb and blind. That's the way
> your inadequately developed brains like it best. No input. Nothing to
> process. Nothing to fear. No need ever to consider a new idea or point
> of view!
>
> This appears to be the only way their near-empty minds can process
> something so far above their intelligence and inbreeding since
> advanced problem-solving techniques using logic and intelligence have
> yet to be introduced into their primitive culture.
>
> Now that they feel they have responded to this new thought or idea in
> the only manner their cretin minds can muster, they gather around the
> ancient campfire, drooling and belching, rubbing their bright red
> baboon butts together and munching on blackened bananas before heading
> back to their cave, single file, their knuckles leaving small furrows
> in the soil as their arms scrape the ground.
>
> Once back in the womb-like sanctity of their primitive, waterless RV
> park, inside a huge cave in the side of a mountain, they lick the
> day's fleas off of one another while employing a rudimentary form of
> congratulatory behavior in having met and "dealt with" yet another
> "threat" to their retarded and backward society.
>
> It matters not that the intent of this new poster was never to incite,
> aggravate or disturb the "old-timers" and he or she did not do this.
> What disturbed and agitated them was not the message, which may have
> been perfectly logically, intelligently and usefully prersented, but
> the fact that the messenger was unknown and hadn't paid the "little
> boys clubhouse" dues and gone through the insipid and childish little
> "ceremony" to earn entrance to the "Our Gang" clubhouse mentality of
> the little boys masquerading as adult men who inhabit RORT.
>
> In other words, their insecurities and their lack of the ability to
> embrace new concepts and ideas and individuals with different thoughts
> that the monaural rut-like drivel they're used to reading from their
> "gang" members created some if not all of the turmoil they felt. Their
> unrest, therefore, was basically THEIR problem, not the alleged
> "troll's" problem.
>
> It proves the old maxim that NO ONE can MAKE US feel or do anything if
> we are truly proactive and have control of ourselves. To express a
> negative reaction (i.e. anger and denigration) to a new poster and
> call said new poster a "troll" simply shows a lack of self-control and
> self-guidance in the reader, NOT THE ALLEGED "TROLL." Simply putting
> blame where blame should lie and truly wondering when the little boy
> men-children in RORT who are old enough (60's and 70's) to know
> better, will actually start acting like they truly progressed past
> their 7th grader stage of mentality
>
> (Ooops, almost forgot. "Identifying" someone as a troll also earns
> the wannabe amateur bozo sleuths like unohoos their little plastic
> "detective" badges they can proudly display at the next campire/
> clubhouse meeting as their other dimwitted ass buddies oooh and aaah
> over their big "accomplishment." )
>
> --Brought To You By The ERUDITE EDUCATOR of Southern Utah
Technobarbarian
"The Erudite Educator" <erudite....@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1f81f488-f723-4973...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> Yes, it's true. With the arrival of the ERUDITE EDUCATOR the RORT
> veils of ignorance and illiteracy shall be lifted as the Erudite
> Educator provides the mental vehicle to transport many RORT
> unfortunates into the new joy of intellectual enlightenment.
>
miss some important ones, so I'm going to take the time to make a few
comments about what you have to say.
>
> In reality, the term "troll" is often used by some to describe a
> poster they don't agree with or don't seem to like, even thought they
> don't even know them (which has never been a requirement of the
> numerous classless and shallow individuals commonly found on RORT).
> Many times it is overused or misused to describe a person when the
> one applying the moniker has little clue to what it really means.
This is true, the term is often mis-used as a way to discredit someone
that one or more people disagree with. On this group many of the people
hollering "Troll" the loudest are themselves trolls.
>
> Let's explore exactly what a "troll" really is.
>
> A "troll" is basically a person who comes to a group, writes a post of
> substance that is intelligently and logically presented and that deals
> with a subject that might require effort and thought in order to
> properly process.
You only manage to do this in a small percentage of your posts. Many
of your posts are just a cut and paste of something that's little more than
propaganda for the Democrats. When you're in one of your less lucid phases a
lot of what you post is just childish gibberish.
>
> This immediately triggers a very nervous condition within the
> elementary minds of many of the group's regulars as their brains are
> asked to actually respond to logic for the first time in ages. There
> is a whirlwind of neural activity as synapses snap and pop from one
> side of their cranial area to the other.
lol, This is often the case, but the people here are a mixed bag. For
some folks, when you present something they strongly disagree with, *that*
is going to be their reaction and there's nothing anyone can say that will
change that.
>
> It proves the old maxim that NO ONE can MAKE US feel or do anything if
> we are truly proactive and have control of ourselves. To express a
> negative reaction (i.e. anger and denigration) to a new poster and
> call said new poster a "troll" simply shows a lack of self-control and
> self-guidance in the reader, NOT THE ALLEGED "TROLL." Simply putting
> blame where blame should lie and truly wondering when the little boy
> men-children in RORT who are old enough (60's and 70's) to know
> better, will actually start acting like they truly progressed past
> their 7th grader stage of mentality.
Some folks never progress past that point, and that's just the way it
is. Deal with it. Whining about it isn't going to help you a bit.
>
> (Ooops, almost forgot. "Identifying" someone as a troll also earns
> the wannabe amateur bozo sleuths like unohoos their little plastic
> "detective" badges they can proudly display at the next campire/
> clubhouse meeting as their other dimwitted ass buddies oooh and aaah
> over their big "accomplishment." )
To my way of looking at it trolls come in several varities. Some folks
are just out to create noise and they're just trolling for flames. They're a
classic and simple variety of troll. Another kind of troll is primarily
interested in promoting their cause. Serdar Argic is the classic example of
this sort of troll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic His cause was
the Armenian Genocide. His version of what happened was the one true version
and he wasn't interested in any facts or opinions that disagreed with him.
We have a number of trolls that more or less fit that mold, but their cause
is some version of American politics that they feel strongly about. Much of
the time you fit this mold too.
>
> --Brought To You By The ERUDITE EDUCATOR of Southern Utah
lol, You do seem to get around the West don't you.
Here's the thing: A lot of folks aren't here to be educated, or at
least not be educated about anything other than RVs and RVing. Some folks
are just here to be entertained. Some folks are primarily here to promote
their point of view. Some folks are mostly here to let off a little steam.
There are all sorts of reasons people read and post on newsgroups. If you're
just here to be an educator you're going to find that a lot of people aren't
interested and some folks, more or less automatically, aren't going to be
interested in your brand of education no matter what you're selling.
If being widely kill filed bothers you there's a simple solution. Be at
least mildly interesting consistently. You do this from time to time, but
not consistently. Much of what you post is extremely childish and worse
still--boring. At times you're not doing much other than cut and pastes of
material that wasn't particularly interesting to anyone but you to start
with. There are any number of trolls here, past and present, who manage to
have enough interaction here to satisfy them by meeting this simple and
actually rather low standard. Will Sill was the classic example of that. He
was mostly here to share his personal brand of unpleasantness, but it wasn't
until he became REALLY boring that a lot of people stopped reading and
responding to his posts.
I know you're going to reject what I have to say about this, and to my
way of looking at it *that* is what makes you a troll. You're just the same
as the people you object to. You aren't really interested in what they have
to say. You just want to educate them. They aren't interested in what you
have to say either. They just want to educate, someone--anyone. (And
participate in mutual reassurance.) It's easy for them to killfile you
because they know you aren't going to listen to them and there's no chance
they're going to educate you. You present rational arguements so seldom that
you're easy to ignore.
(I have no use for usenet Shrinks and I'm not going to try to be one,
but the way you swing back and forth I've started to wonder if maybe you're
bipolar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder I'm not saying this
as a way to dismiss you, but as a way to try to understand what's going on.
Spalding Gray had it bad and he was still an interesting person to read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding_Gray The thing that makes me wonder
about this is that you seem to start out new identities with more or less
good intentions and then, sooner or later, run off the rails again.) (I say
"more or less" good intentions because I thought the hippy chick in Eugene
identity, for example, was an identity that was intended to troll the
trolls. The "Erudite Educator" looks like another troll the trolls identity,
even if you are making a more or less rational arguement here. I mean,
seriously, even though there may be some need for it, how many people do you
think are really interested in "intellectual assistance? ;-) lol )
TB
Jerry Osage
<erudite....@yahoo.com> wrote:
>(Ooops, almost forgot. "Identifying" someone as a troll also earns
>the wannabe amateur bozo sleuths like unohoos their little plastic
>"detective" badges they can proudly display at the next campire/
>clubhouse meeting as their other dimwitted ass buddies oooh and aaah
>over their big "accomplishment." )
You fit my definition. Bye.
Technobarbarian
On Nov 23, 9:04 am, "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-
ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "The Erudite Educator" <erudite.educa...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1f81f488-f723-4973...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...>
> > veils of ignorance and illiteracy shall be lifted as the Erudite
> > Educator provides the mental vehicle to transport many RORT
> > unfortunates into the new joy of intellectual enlightenment.
>
> Hey Landfill, I think you make some valid points here, but you also
> miss some important ones, so I'm going to take the time to make a few
> comments about what you have to say.
Will there be a charge for this analysis or is the "charge" simply the
internal pleasure you derive from doing it?
Hey, if I could get paid that would be wonderful. Until then I guess
I'll just have to do it for "shits and giggles", as one of my former
girlfriends used to say.
> > In reality, the term "troll" is often used by some to describe a
> > poster they don't agree with or don't seem to like, even thought they
> > don't even know them (which has never been a requirement of the
> > numerous classless and shallow individuals commonly found on RORT).
> > Many times it is overused or misused to describe a person when the
> > one applying the moniker has little clue to what it really means.
> This is true, the term is often mis-used as a way to discredit someone
> that one or more people disagree with. On this group many of the people
> hollering "Troll" the loudest are themselves trolls.
Do ya mean that it's actually possible that Looney Tunes, Janice
Whoreme, Carla the Nazi Bitch and others of similar ilk could actually
be trolls in disguise?
LOL, disguise, what disguise? The difference between all of you and
Serdar Argic is just a matter of degree.
Do you think elctroshock therapy or (gasp) perhaps mass forced frontal
lobotomies might be the answer for the poor deranged souls?
Nah, make them read usenet. It's just as likely to produce a "cure".
> > It proves the old maxim that NO ONE can MAKE US feel or do anything if
> > we are truly proactive and have control of ourselves. To express a
> > negative reaction (i.e. anger and denigration) to a new poster and
> > call said new poster a "troll" simply shows a lack of self-control and
> > self-guidance in the reader, NOT THE ALLEGED "TROLL." Simply putting
> > blame where blame should lie and truly wondering when the little boy
> > men-children in RORT who are old enough (60's and 70's) to know
> > better, will actually start acting like they truly progressed past
> > their 7th grader stage of mentality.
> Some folks never progress past that point, and that's just the way it
> is. Deal with it. Whining about it isn't going to help you a bit.
"Whining" might perhaps be a word a tad too strong to describe my
concern. Yasee I FEEL for these poor lost souls and consider it my
Christian duty to help them see the light and lead them from the
darkness of their doom and despair.
lol, Saint Landfill--I love it. Now all you need is a miracle, like
getting one of your buddies to see the light. Haw Haw Hawwwwww
But don't you see your role as an "educator" of sorts. Aren't your
illuminating and pointedly-intellectual posts designed to improve (and
even cure) the mental morass of the RORT masses too?
LOL, that would be a futile task. I'm here for my own amazement and
amuzement. Anything else would just be an exercise in frustration. Poking
holes in bullshit is just another of my many guilty pleasures. I like RORT
because there's an endless supply here.
> If being widely kill filed bothers you there's a simple solution.
LOLOLOLOL HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW I look at being "killfiled" as sort of a
badge of honor and find it incredibly amusing since it validates my
opinion regarding the "head-in-the-sand" morons on RORT. Afraid to
face the reality of something and/or somone different, they crouch in
cowardly fear and hide behind their little filters. It's like a
little child telling his parents to "let me know when the scary part
is over" during a movie so "I can uncover my eyes and unplug my
ears." REAL men face differences head on; gutless chickenshits hide
behind a filter.
OTOH you also complain about the kneejerk reaction.
>I know you're going to reject what I have to say about this, and to my
> way of looking at it *that* is what makes you a troll.
I truly do not believe you are a medium and/or soothsayer and
therefore do not "know" whether or not I'm going to reject the
substance of your response so don't flatter yourself.
I'm not a medium, but we've been over this ground before.
>You're just the same as the people you object to.
Hardly, if we're measuring by IQ points, education, life experiences
and/or good looks.
Perhaps, but in the way you approach interactions here you're very
similar. It was like someone was saying about LZ being a reverse Black Hole.
A lot of stuff comes out, but nothing goes in.
>You aren't really interested in what they have to say.
Of course I'm not. Why would anyone be interested in listening to the
hackneyed babble of Carla, Looney Tunes, Whoreme or any other of those
Repuke halfwits?
You just want to educate them.
And they certainly NEED that!
(I have no use for usenet Shrinks and I'm not going to try to be one,
...and then he immediately violates the premise of his previous
statement and starts to play "shrink." HAWHAWHAWHAW
> but the way you swing back and forth I've started to wonder if maybe
> you're
> bipolar.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorderI'm not saying this
> as a way to dismiss you, but as a way to try to understand what's going
> on.
And the forked-tonguer who first states "I have no use for usenet
Shrinks and I'm not going to try to be one..." now proceeded to
"diagnose" a supposed condition without any credentials to do so,
without any license to do so and in violation of his own statement.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, forked tongue???
It's not even a working hypothesis. It's was just something that had
struck me and made me go, "hmmmmmmm..........?" It would explain why
sometimes you can be reasonably rational, by usenet standards, and at other
times just all caps and noise. There are numerous possible explanations that
are just as plausible.
TB
Larry
<erudite....@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Yes, it's true. With the arrival of the ERUDITE EDUCATOR the RORT
>veils of ignorance and illiteracy shall be lifted as the Erudite
>Educator provides the mental vehicle to transport many RORT
>unfortunates into the new joy of intellectual enlightenment.
>
>'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>
>The initial offering from the Erudite Educator will be the in-depth
>clarification of an often misused and misunderstood reference found on
>many newsgroups --- troll.
>
>Here, for the first time in the annals of usenet, is the true and
>accurate definition of that term. Read and learn!
>
>+++THE TRUE DEFINITION OF A "TROLL"+++
You need to do a bit more research.
The term started a LOT of years ago on a BBS system that was for
fishing related posts. When someone started posting BS just to spur
answers and get people posting. He was accused of trolling, as in
trying to catch something by putting your lure out there for them to
see and bite. What he was doing was building the readership of the
BBS. It has eventually morphed into what we see today.
--
Larry
Citrus Co. Fl.
richard
> On Nov 24, 8:20�am, Larry <Larry> wrote:
>
>> You need to do a bit more research. �
>
> Actually, more "research" is not needed in respect to my original post
> since there is nothing in my statement that attempts to offer
> information on the origination of the term "troll" as applied to
> newsgroups. I wrote "In reality, the term "troll" is often used by
> some to describe a poster they don't agree with or don't seem to like,
> even thought they don't even know them. Many times it is overused or
> misused to describe a person when the one applying the moniker has
> little clue to what it really means.
>
>> The term started a LOT of years ago on a BBS system that was for
>> fishing related posts. � When someone started posting BS (BS is YOUR opinion, not necessarily what the person posted, therefore the statement "when someone started posting BS" is without fact and/or proof.) A better description might be the one I offered..."the term "troll" is often used by some to describe a poster they don't agree with or don't seem to like." (One man's OPINION is another's BS). To label a post as BS�is strictly and wholly the fault and personal problem of the responder doing so, NOT the original poster to whom he/she is responding! �
>
>>He was accused of trolling, as in trying to catch something by putting your lure out there for them to see and bite. � What he was doing was building the readership of the BBS. � �
>
> So those who allegedly "troll" are performing a public service and
> building readership in RORT and should be applauded instead of
> maligned. I will therefore happily accept all accolades and even
> votes for enshrinement in the newsgroup hall of fame.
>
>> Larry, Citrus Co. Fl.
Exactly, if you don't HIS opinion or remarks, he's a troll.
Now if you really detest the poster, you call them a pedophile and keep
calling them that. Eventually everyone else picks up on it.
Tell a lie long enough, to enough people, it becomes a fact of truth.
\
40tude.net:
> Tell a lie long enough, to enough people, it becomes a fact of truth.
Exactly - just like claiming that the mulatto in the White House is a
"Native Born US Citizen" or that a Democrat has ever been caught telling
the truth about anything or (even worse) that Algore's "Global Warming" has
ever been anything than pure BS.
But, then, that's been the central point of your existance since you
learned to say "Daddy" for each of your two parents.
Hunter Hampton
>Exactly - just like claiming that the mulatto in the White House is a
>"Native Born US Citizen" or that a Democrat has ever been caught telling
>the truth about anything or (even worse) that Algore's "Global Warming" has
>ever been anything than pure BS.
>
>But, then, that's been the central point of your existance since you
>learned to say "Daddy" for each of your two parents.
This is the problem about talking politics in here.... it dredges up
the dregs of the internet.
Lone Haranguer
LZ