bizarre occurence
rw
second cast I hooked a fish, which immediately jumped and I saw it was a
typical 10" stocker (presumably) I'd expect to find in this spot. I
started bulling it into my net with my 5x tippet when the fish started
pulling like a submarine. It took line relentlessly and wouldn't show
itself on the surface. I must have fought it for 15 minutes before I
landed a large, fat Bull Trout -- I'd guess about 25 inches -- with my
#16 PT nymph in its jaw.
Peter Collin
a guy who had a cuttroat on fight it through the pool for a while to
stimulate any bull trout in there, then have another guy fire a streamer
in there. I wonder if the 10 inch stocker got swallowed?
Pete Collin
rw
>
> I wonder if the 10 inch stocker got swallowed?
I'll never know. I released the Bull Trout, as required by law. Kept six
stockers and three whitefish. I'm planning to take a load of smoked fish
to the Bighorn miniclave.
bouncer
When I read the story I was wondering the same thing as Peter.
If you saw the fish jump, I would bet you would have known it
was a 25" bull right away. Maybe that little stocker became a
nice free meal and you ended up with an incredible catch!
I had a bull trout chase a westslope cutt that I had hooked a
few years back and it was an incredible sight to watch. The
bull trout didn't get the cutt, but I wonder if your little
stocker wasn't so lucky!
Lennie Richardson
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> <way cool stuff snipped>
> I must have fought it for 15 minutes before I
> landed a large, fat Bull Trout -- I'd guess about 25 inches -- with my
> #16 PT nymph in its jaw.
>
I've had some huge bass in the 8-9 lb. range come and steal bluegills like
that. It's an awesome experience. I've never caught a bull trout, let alone
have one eat a stocker off my line. Excellent...
rw
One time, many years ago when I was about sixteen, I was fishing poppers
on a Maryland farm pound, catching many bluegills and the occasional
largemouth. The same thing happened to me, but it was more like a 3lb
bass, and the poor bluegill was stuck in the poor bass's gills.
I haven't done any warmwater flyfishing in too many years.
I really wonder whatever happened to that stocker. He may have got
away Scot free.
Scott Seidman
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My bet is rw time warped, and the fish just aged.
Scott
...let's do the time warp again...
Skwalla
I've never seen a fat bull trout... that girth must have been your
stocker...
rw
>
> I've never seen a fat bull trout... that girth must have been your
> stocker...
You have a point, Skwalla. Bull Trout tend to be long rather than fat --
lethal weapons. This one was particularly healthy looking, with colorful
spots. It fought like a demon. My not-so-unlikely guess is that, like
the otters and the ospreys, the Bull Trout are feasting on stockers.
I saw three adult otters playing the other day, in a good fishing hole.
Heard them first. They make a "tweeting" sound, like a person whistling.
It's pretty loud. I first thought they were birds, until I spotted them
about 50 feet away.
licker
the Gulf of Mexico and mainly saltwater fish. Never had a redfish caught on
a fly rod ever grow like that although they fight like hell when caught.
However I have been fishing both inshore brackish marsh and offshore with
regular tackle and have had several times caught a shark that had chased my
hooked fish. I also pulled up numerous fish offshore that were eaten in
half by a shark.
While fishing about a month ago, I cut the belly open of several specks
(speckle trout or spotted sea trout) to see what they are feeding on. In
the belly of one of the trout was a 12 inch speck and inside one of the
other specks was an 8 inch croaker.
Fishin Fool
rb608
> second cast I hooked a fish, which immediately jumped and I saw it was a
> typical 10" stocker (presumably) I'd expect to find in this spot.
My first thought was that despite appearances, you may not have actually
hooked the stocker. My guess was that you hooked the bull at the outset,
and that the huge bull's fast movement scared the stocker into a leap,
giving the appearance by coincidence that it was the stocker on the line.
OTOH, if you're absolutely certain you had the stocker, then never mind.
Joe F.
rakane at verizon dot net
This had happened too often, and light was failing. I only had a couple of
minutes to fish. I slapped the damn chub on the surface a couple times
trying to loose the chub to save time, but it was clear I would have to
strip it in and dislodge it. As I got it closer I lifted it off the water,
just in time to see a huge trout swirl below it. I'd been unintentionally
trolling with bait.
Just wondering if the same happened to you?
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Tim Lysyk
end up on the hook itself. When that happens, we call it fishing with a
cutthroat trude. There is a picture of a bull trout caught this way at the
bottom of this page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/elk.htm
By the way, I caught 4 bull trout this year while fishing for other species.
Three were on dry flies, and one was on a nymph. Nice to see them coming
back.
Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net
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JR
>
> I wonder if the 10 inch stocker got swallowed?
That would be my guess. There are sections of the Metolius in Oregon
where if you hook a small whitefish and don't land it quick, you'll be
bait fishin for bulls.
JR
rw
>
> My first thought was that despite appearances, you may not have actually
> hooked the stocker. My guess was that you hooked the bull at the outset,
> and that the huge bull's fast movement scared the stocker into a leap,
> giving the appearance by coincidence that it was the stocker on the line.
> OTOH, if you're absolutely certain you had the stocker, then never mind.
That's an interesting theory, Joe, but it doesn't hold up. Not only did
I see the little stocker jump, but I was stripping him into my net at
the expected rate. Plus, 25 inch Bull Trout aren't all that interested
in #16 nymphs. I've occasionally caught small ones on nymphs, and even
one on a dry fly (a Madam X), but never a large one on anything but a
good sized streamer (until now, assuming you don't count a 10 inch
stocker as a streamer).
jeffc
My guess is the bull went for the trout, but didn't actually swallow it. It
got hooked just in the chaos and the stocker escaped. But we'll never know.
Bruiser
That's a great story RW. I bet the Bull attacked the stocker and got hooked
in the mouth while the stocker got released.
Here's a critical question. Were you fishing with a barbless hook? It
seems more likely with a barbless hook, because it could easily dislodge
from the stocker and stick the Bull Trout. I bet you were meat fishing and
you had a barbless hook because that was what was in your fly box.
I caught a small Bull Trout way up Rock Creek one day. Very cool looking
fish.
bruce h
Conan the Librarian
> That's pretty cool! Last year in British Columbia, our guide would have
> a guy who had a cuttroat on fight it through the pool for a while to
> stimulate any bull trout in there, then have another guy fire a streamer
> in there.
That's a tactic used by some bass fishermen down here as well. The
fisherman who hooks the fish will just hold it in the area while
others take shots at any trailing fish.
I've had large fish follow smaller hooked bass or sunfish to the
shore many times. At one place I used to fish I had what looked like
decent-sized striped bass trailing them in. I never actually got the
fish to strike anything, but the commotion created by the hooked fish
definitely got their interest.
Chuck Vance
Jeff Taylor
Fishing the N.F. of the Clearwater a few years back I had a bull trout take
a 6 inch rainbow. I saw the rainbow take my fly on the surface and started
horsing it back. It shot down in front of the large rock I was standing on
and then took off like a bat out of hell. At first I had no idea what
happened, thinking there is no way that fish is now taking line and had me
into my backing.
After a decent fight, I finally got the fish back for a shot at netting it
and saw that it was a 25 - 27 inch bull trout, that had latched onto the
side of the Rainbow. I went down to net the two trout and the Bull trout let
go of the Rainbow, allowing the Rainbow to pop to the surface. The apparent
hungry Bull trout came back and latched on again. After a short run, I had
another chance at netting the two fish. Given the size of the Bull trout and
my net, I was having a hard time. Eventually the Bull trout let go again and
swam away. The rainbow what pretty well scratched up with teeth marks, but
swam away when I released it.
Jeff
rw
>
> Here's a critical question. Were you fishing with a barbless hook?
Barbed.
Clark Reid
really fathomed...
Fishing a dryfly and dropper rig on a North Island stream (New Zealand) a
large fish of around 8lbs (Rainbow) porpoised out of the water hitting the
dryfly on its way back into the water (I am told this is common for Brook
Trout, but I believe it's the first time I had seen a Rainbow do it,
especially a big fish).
The client set the hook with, what I thought, was good timing and it came up
solid... with a fish of around 3lbs on the dropper.... we were happy to hook
that, of course, but wondered what the hell happened to our big fish, my
guess is that somehow either the fish missed the dry or the strike went awry
and our small fish hit on a sort of "induced take" on the setting of the
hook... still makes me scratch my head a bit to this day though....
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier
Ken Fortenberry
> ...
> Fishing a dryfly and dropper rig ...
All sorts of bizarre things can happen when you fish like riffraff.
One thing I liked about the Village Idiot was that he had a proper
respect for the Rules of Fair Chase.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Clark Reid
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At least he didn't drink Budweiser...
Clark Reid
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote
> All sorts of bizarre things can happen when you fish like riffraff.
>
> One thing I liked about the Village Idiot was that he had a proper
> respect for the Rules of Fair Chase.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry
Nice to see you've elevated yourslef to being an authority on what is fair
and isn't on our NZ Streams.. you fish here a lot do you Ken?
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote
>>One thing I liked about the Village Idiot was that he had a proper
>>respect for the Rules of Fair Chase.
>
> Nice to see you've elevated yourslef to being an authority on what is fair
> and isn't on our NZ Streams.. you fish here a lot do you Ken?
Trout fishing is trout fishing. If you're fishing a dry with a dropper
you're either using the dry as a bobber or you're hedging your bet
because you don't have the confidence to fish fair.
Nothing wrong with that, of course, you're a guide and not to be
despised for trying to put clients onto fish any legal way that you
can.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Clark Reid
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote
> Trout fishing is trout fishing. If you're fishing a dry with a dropper
> you're either using the dry as a bobber or you're hedging your bet
> because you don't have the confidence to fish fair.
>
> Nothing wrong with that, of course, you're a guide and not to be
> despised for trying to put clients onto fish any legal way that you
> can.
>
Interesting, I'd like to explore this further... Let's see, we spot a trout,
we cast a dry fly to it, it refuses, we change to a nymph and hook it...
that's fair... alternatively we could just throw both together and see what
happens... you are forgetting, I guess, that most of our fishing is visual
and that the need for a bobber in most of those situations isn't required as
we actually see the fish take the fly... I have also seen many fish cast to
with a dryfly and not budge for it, we then add a dropper nymph and the fish
takes the dry... why? My theory is that the fish's instinct for energy
conservation (Extremely strong in big fish, especially Browns) makes it
decide, for want of a better term, that the energy expenditure to come to
the surface is not warranted. however, when the nymph is presented as well
it starts to rise up for the nymph. The trout is now closer to the surface
and the dryfly is deemed to be in range, it is not sufficiently
sophisticated a creature to work out it has already risen in the water
before deciding the dry is in range...
Just a theory mind you, the alternative is that the nymph somehow steadies
the drift of the dry making it more attractive, but I lean towards the
former...
Also, I agree, within the legal rules a sense of fair play is one's own. I
have many clients who only fish dry and that's what we do, as do I on most
occasions I fish.
daytripper
Oh well, another theory shot to hell ;-)
Honestly, unless one is clueless about line control, there's little chance of
a barbless or debarbed hook with a fair gape "jumping around"...
/daytripper
rw
>
> Just a theory mind you,
That's an interesting theory, Clark. I've never heard it before. It's
at least plausible.
I don't like to fish wet droppers from dries very much, although I'll do
it. It has nothing to do with "fair play." It's more frustration at not
being able to vary the depth of the dropper without rerigging. Once I
figure out what the fish are taking (assuming I get that far), I'll
switch to either the nymph or the dry exclusively. If nothing else, it
saves a lot of hassle when landing and releasing the fish.
I'm more inclined to fish two dries (one large and one small, like a
Stimulator and a Parachute Adams, for example). The large fly serves as
an "indicator" for the small fly that I usually have trouble seeing.
Ken Fortenberry
>
> ... I have also seen many fish cast to
> with a dryfly and not budge for it, we then add a dropper nymph and the fish
> takes the dry... why? My theory is that the fish's instinct for energy
> conservation (Extremely strong in big fish, especially Browns) makes it
> decide, for want of a better term, that the energy expenditure to come to
> the surface is not warranted. however, when the nymph is presented as well
> it starts to rise up for the nymph. The trout is now closer to the surface
> and the dryfly is deemed to be in range, it is not sufficiently
> sophisticated a creature to work out it has already risen in the water
> before deciding the dry is in range...
Chumming with a nymph, in other words.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Clark Reid
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry
>
It's hardly chumming when you are staring at a gin clear pool with one fish
in it and you have to nail the cast exactly right or bugger off and find
another one.... maybe 100 yards or 300 yards upstream.. I'd love to show
this place sometime, if you'd actually fished it, you'd have some idea of
the why's and wherefores...
Also, bear in mind that our highest density fisheries have a lower fish
population than your low density areas, so on the occasions we do blind fish
it makes perfect sense to cover as much of the water column as you can.
I reiterate.... I'd love to show the fishing here sometime, just to see how
"adaptable" you may become fast!
Clark Reid
know... food. Our trout are rarely selective, they don't get to feed on the
massive hatches such as you get there or even any major matches at all for
matter in many areas and grab anything which "acts like food"... it sounds
simple, but it isn't always as other things such as spookiness etc are
heightened. It's usually about good presentation. You're right, droppers are
a pain in the neck for all manner of reasons.... but at the right time and
the right place they are an effective and sporting technique.
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Ken Fortenberry
> ...
> I reiterate.... I'd love to show the fishing here sometime, just to see how
> "adaptable" you may become fast!
I'd love to fish New Zealand with you sometime, but I'm not adaptable.
I'm strictly a dry fly guy these days, even it means getting skunked.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Clark Reid
same... some stick to their guns and others find a deep feeding 8lb wild
brown just a little too hard to resist... I also fish predominantly dry, but
I can't say a steadfast in it...
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Umpqua Designer Flytier
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no
rw <royal...@earthlink.net> wrote:
How do you put two flies on one line? Also wouldnt it make it hard to
cast a dry fly if their is a second fly on it?
Scott Seidman
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>
> How do you put two flies on one line?
Many ways to tie on droppers. Often, I just cinch onto the hook bend.
That's not how I would tie a cast of wets (if I were to ever actually use a
cast of wets).
> Also wouldnt it make it hard to
> cast a dry fly if their is a second fly on it?
Yes, but some things get easier-- easier to hook your own finger while
landing a fish, easier to tangle up your leader, and easier to catch a
fish. Two nymphs can be deadly.
Tom Littleton
> If you're fishing a dry with a dropper
>you're either using the dry as a bobber or you're hedging your bet
>because you don't have the confidence to fish fair.
Wow!!!! Thank goodness, I have finally found out how to determine fair angling
practice! Just ask Ken, a regular Hoyle of angling fair play.
My first question: is fishing pairs or more wet flies on droppers fair?
My second is: How on earth do you find the gall to determine fair fishing?
Jeezus!!!
Tom
rw
>
> How do you put two flies on one line?
I tie a dry-fly dropper onto the hook bend. The important thing is to
use a lot of tippet for the dropper -- about three to four feet of limp
mono. That's essential in getting a good drift, even though the flies
very often drift close together.
In the wild-trout parts of my homewaters there's a regulation that
requires a "single barbless hook." Many people think that means you
can't fish droppers. It doesn't. If you read the regs (which are
Byzantine in complexity) carefully, they allow up to FIVE flies. I tried
five dry flies once, just for the heck of it. I don't recommend it. It
takes forever to rig, and when you catch your first fish you have a
godawful mess.
> Also wouldnt it make it hard to
> cast a dry fly if their is a second fly on it?
Yes, it is harder to cast a dropper rig and avoid tangles, especially in
the wind, but it's not impossible by any means. If it's real windy I'll
forego the dropper.
Two dries is pretty easy to manage in calm weather, but when I fish
weighted dropper rigs I forget about elegant casting. It's too easy to
get tangled. I'll typically load the cast by chucking the rig into the
current behind me, and then quarter upstream with a very open loop,
often with a tuck cast. The mending is the important part. I want the
rig to "turn over" with a dead drift right over the best lie, which will
typically be quartered (45 degrees) downstream from me. This usually
(but not always) requires an upstream mend, depending on which seam I'm
fishing.
Ken Fortenberry
>
> Wow!!!! Thank goodness, I have finally found out how to determine fair angling
Quite right, but keep the questions to a minimum, if you please, most
of this stuff you can figure out for yourself if you give it enough
thought. I mean, it's not rocket science.
Which reminds me of a funny T-shirt. I worked with a bunch of actual
rocket scientists and they had a great T-shirt for all their grad
students which read, "Rocket Science, it's not Brain Surgery".
--
Ken Fortenberry
Wayne Harrison
well, forty, i must agree with your position, expressed above. the best
example that comes to mind, for me, is our first trip up hazel creek
together. as i recall, we both began fishing with single dries only. you
caught a couple fish, i caught a couple fish. small fish. long time
between fish. i decided to tie on a prince dropper. you declined. i
caught over a dozen good fish from there on, all on the nymph. you caught,
in the meantime, a couple more small fish.
if it was a competition, which it wasn't, i won. if it was a matter of
a man doing what he wanted to do, the way he wanted to do it, you won.
and, walking back to the boat, laughing in the late afternoon in western
carolina, we were both winners.
yfitons
wayno
>
Stan Gula
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> if it was a competition, which it wasn't, i won.
OK
>if it was a matter of
> a man doing what he wanted to do, the way he wanted to do it, you won.
Now, I would call that a tie, but I know you don't tie.
rw
>
> if it was a competition, which it wasn't, i won. if it was a matter of
> a man doing what he wanted to do, the way he wanted to do it, you won.
When someone does what he wants to do, I have no problem with that. I
spend just about all of my time doing what I want to do. It's the secret
of life, especially in one's older years.
What sticks in my craw is when someone dictates that what HE wants to do
is the ONLY PROPER WAY to do things.
Frankly, I think Ken is confusing "effete" with "elite."
Graham Knight
rw wrote:
>
> What sticks in my craw is when someone dictates that what HE wants to do
> is the ONLY PROPER WAY to do things.
Amen brother.
Graham
--
And as an afterthought, this must too be told,
Some people are taking pure bullshit, and turning it into gold.
- Grandpa Green (Greendale, CA USA)
What's happening in Idledale? Not Much! http://www.idledale.com/
Tom Littleton
>Which reminds me of a funny T-shirt. I worked with a bunch of actual
>rocket scientists and they had a great T-shirt for all their grad
>students which read, "Rocket Science, it's not Brain Surgery".
>
>
always loved that one....the aerospace engineers had similar way back when I
was in school....
Tom
Ken Fortenberry
>
> What sticks in my craw is when someone dictates ...
I dictate nothing other than obeying fishing regulations.
> Frankly, I think Ken is confusing "effete" with "elite."
I don't doubt that for a minute, and frankly, that's the least
of your problems.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Tim J.
"Stan Gula" wrote...
> "Wayne Harrison" wrote...
> > if it was a competition, which it wasn't, i won.
>
> OK
>
> >if it was a matter of
> > a man doing what he wanted to do, the way he wanted to do it, you won.
>
> Now, I would call that a tie, but I know you don't tie.
I don't know about that - I was very impressed with wayno's Carolina Cricket.
:)
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj
Clark Reid
"no wrote
> How do you put two flies on one line? Also wouldnt it make it hard to
> cast a dry fly if their is a second fly on it?
You just tie a three foot or so dropper directly to the bend of the dry fly.
I use a clinch knot usually.
In some cases, such as heavy wind the nymph can be an aid in turning over
the leader having a slightly greater momentum than the dry...
It can take a bit of getting used to, so I try to keep the main leader
shortened to around 9- 10 ft with an angler not used to it and then add the
dropper to that.
DaveMohnsen
> It happened about 2 hours ago. I was nymphing right near town. On the
> second cast I hooked a fish, which immediately jumped and I saw it was a
> typical 10" stocker (presumably) I'd expect to find in this spot. I
> started bulling it into my net with my 5x tippet when the fish started
> pulling like a submarine. It took line relentlessly and wouldn't show
> itself on the surface. I must have fought it for 15 minutes before I
> landed a large, fat Bull Trout -- I'd guess about 25 inches -- with my
> #16 PT nymph in its jaw.
Neat.
It seems that 2-3 times a year in the Spring when I'm fishing for bluegills
I have a bass try to latch on to a bluegill as I'm bringing in the bluegill.
Never have caught any of the bass, though have had a tussle for a bit, with
some.
Those bluegills, when caught by me and a bass, seemed a bit frazzled over
the ordeal . . . but swam away . . .although I did think I could hear some
mumbling about a "bad day" or somethin' :)
DaveMohnsen
Denver
rw
> rw wrote:
>
>>
>> What sticks in my craw is when someone dictates ...
>
>
> I dictate nothing other than obeying fishing regulations.
That is total, arrogant, lying bullshit.
Wolfgang
> Wayne Harrison wrote:
> >
> > if it was a competition, which it wasn't, i won. if it was a matter
of
> > a man doing what he wanted to do, the way he wanted to do it, you won.
>
> When someone does what he wants to do, I have no problem with that. I
> spend just about all of my time doing what I want to do. It's the secret
> of life, especially in one's older years.
And think of it! A man your age STILL hasn't figured out that that's the
root of his problem.
> What sticks in my craw is when someone dictates that what HE wants to do
> is the ONLY PROPER WAY to do things.
>
> Frankly, I think Ken is confusing "effete" with "elite."
That's probably because you don't know what either of those words means.
Wolfgang
so, how's all the women under thirty doin' these days? :)
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>
>> I dictate nothing other than obeying fishing regulations.
>
> That is total, arrogant, lying bullshit.
Poor thing, you're all in a dither.
Calm down, put the back of your limp little wrist upon your
fevered brow and tell us, exactly, which of my dicta has
caused you to have such a case of the vapors.
--
Ken Fortenberry
rw
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>
>>
>
>
> That's probably because you don't know what either of those words means.
I am so happy to see you back, Wolfgang, with your inimitable
combination of obscurity, gratuitous personal insults, self importance,
and (in general) obnoxiousness. ROFF just hasn't been the same in your
absence. I'm sure Ken is happy too, because he hasn't had his dick
sucked on ROFF for quite some time.
> Wolfgang
> so, how's all the women under thirty doin' these days? :)
I took one to see Alison Kraus & Union Station in Sun Valley last night.
She's doing great! (Angie, I mean. Not Alison. Alison's doing great,
too. She sings like an angel.)
Wayne Harrison
"rw" <royal...@earthlink.net> wrote
. ROFF just hasn't been the same in your
> absence.
that is the god's truth.
I'm sure Ken is happy too, because he hasn't had his dick
> sucked on ROFF for quite some time.
my take on that is that kennet probably hasn't had it sucked in the
united states for quite some time. :) it's a difficult undertaking when
you look like an orange popsicle.
um, steven, if you think wolfgang or ken can't take what they give, you
have a fundamental misunderstanding of who they are as human beings.
watch 'is: fuck you, forty! fuck you, wolfgang!
see, it's been fifteen seconds since i wrote that, and i ain't dead yet!
> > Wolfgang
> > so, how's all the women under thirty doin' these days? :)
>
> I took one to see Alison Kraus & Union Station in Sun Valley last night.
> She's doing great! (Angie, I mean. Not Alison. Alison's doing great,
> too. She sings like an angel.)
you can bet your sweet ass on that; well, with regard to alison. i will
take your word for angie. and jerry can play the dobro damn near as good as
my uncle john used to do back in 1948, on the front porch in gold hill, nc.
maybe the world's best band, right now.
wayn
>
rw
>
> you can bet your sweet ass on that; well, with regard to alison. i will
> take your word for angie. and jerry can play the dobro damn near as good as
> my uncle john used to do back in 1948, on the front porch in gold hill, nc.
>
> maybe the world's best band, right now.
Let's give it up for Dan Tyminski, too -- the singing voice of George
Cloony. :-)
IMO, the best young male bluegrass voice on the planet at this moment.
Wolfgang
Hee hee hee.
Wolfgang
it's a lot like riding a bicycle really........well, if guarnari made
bicycles.
Wolfgang
Hee hee hee
Wolfgang
it's a lot like riding a bicycle, really.......well, if guarnari made
bicycles.
rw
>
> Hee hee hee.
>
> Wolfgang
> it's a lot like riding a bicycle really........well, if guarnari made
> bicycles.
Oh yeah?
rw
>
> Hee hee hee
>
> Wolfgang
> it's a lot like riding a bicycle, really.......well, if guarnari made
> bicycles.
Oh yeah?
Bruiser
>
I'd agree and toss in Del McCoury's and Rhonda Vincent's
bruce h
but really when you've got Jerry Douglas, a veritable one man band, up there
playing the most beautiful stuff you've ever heard...
Mu Young Lee
>
> Many ways to tie on droppers. Often, I just cinch onto the hook bend.
That's the way I have often done it but I seem to miss lots of strikes
that way.
Mu
Mu Young Lee
> it's a lot like riding a bicycle, really.......well, if guarnari made
> bicycles.
Wow, that guy went from second place in American Idol to making bicycles?
Mu
clueless as Alicia Silverstone
Bill Kiene
We have a home made video at the shop of a friend who is shad fishing. He
actually catches a shad on the video, but shorty after a big striper (we
think?) eats his shad and then takes all the line off his reel. You can
watch it some time you are around town.
--
Bill Kiene
Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com
"rw" <royal...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Scott Seidman
news:20030903191637...@mb-m15.aol.com:
Little advice. If, God forbid, anyone should actually ever need brain
surgery, go well out of your way to find one of the fairer sex. That's an
"old-boy" field, as strong as I've ever seen, and for a woman to make it
through all the active and passive aggression she will encounter during her
training, she's got to be reaal good.
Scott
slenon
> um, steven, if you think wolfgang or ken can't take what they give, you
>have a fundamental misunderstanding of who they are as human beings.
Thanks, Wayne. They're taking advantage of my courtesy. I don't care to
tell someone "fuck you" on line. I'd rather do it face-to-face so that we
can clink glasses afterward. Down the road, perhaps I'll have that moment.
----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar
Save a cow, eat a PETA member
sle...@tampabay.rr.com
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm
slenon
>but really when you've got Jerry Douglas, a veritable one man band, up
there
>playing the most beautiful stuff you've ever heard
Pair him up with Peter Rowan and I'll sit in all night.
rw
> Wayne:
>
>> um, steven, if you think wolfgang or ken can't take what they give, you
>>have a fundamental misunderstanding of who they are as human beings.
>
>
> Thanks, Wayne. They're taking advantage of my courtesy. I don't care to
> tell someone "fuck you" on line. I'd rather do it face-to-face so that we
> can clink glasses afterward. Down the road, perhaps I'll have that moment.
I'm think wayno was talking to me, Stev. (My first name is Stephen.) I
don't understand quite what he's getting at, though, because I've
watched the Ken & Wolfgang act for about as long as he has, and I've met
both of them face-to-face, so I think I have a pretty good understanding
slenon
>I'm think wayno was talking to me, Stev. (My first name is Stephen.) I
>don't understand quite what he's getting at, though, because I've
>watched the Ken & Wolfgang act for about as long as he has, and I've met
>both of them face-to-face, so I think I have a pretty good understanding
>of who they are as human beings.
OK, sorry to intrude if you were the target. And just to further complicate
and sweeten the material for Ken and Wolfgang, my first name is James. For
some unknown reason, my parents called both my brother and I by our middle
names. I've spent a lifetime answering questions about names.
Stan Gula
news:NsI5b.6174$Mb2.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> OK, sorry to intrude if you were the target. And just to further
complicate
> and sweeten the material for Ken and Wolfgang, my first name is James.
For
> some unknown reason, my parents called both my brother and I by our middle
> names. I've spent a lifetime answering questions about names.
At least you didn't change your name to 'goveg.com' - that would be truly
annoying.
slenon
I've been told that I can be sufficiently annoying without that name change,
so it was never necessary.
Willi
rw wrote:
> I saw three adult otters playing the other day, in a good fishing hole.
> Heard them first. They make a "tweeting" sound, like a person whistling.
> It's pretty loud. I first thought they were birds, until I spotted them
> about 50 feet away.
>
Otters are very cool animals. I have a vivid memory of that family of
otters we saw on our first trip to the HF Ranch that were playing and
eating the little trout in the pond. They're rare here in CO, but
populations are growing.
Willi
gol...@frii.com
Willi
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> Clark Reid wrote:
>
>> ... Fishing a dryfly and dropper rig ...
>
>
> All sorts of bizarre things can happen when you fish like riffraff.
>
> One thing I liked about the Village Idiot was that he had a proper
> respect for the Rules of Fair Chase.
Not that he wasn't open minded enough to change them late in life.
Willi
gol...@frii.com
Willi
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> Calm down, put the back of your limp little wrist upon your
> fevered brow and tell us, exactly, which of my dicta has
> caused you to have such a case of the vapors.
>
What's up with your all too common stereotypical, derogatory homosexual
allusions.
Willi
gol...@frii.com
Ken Fortenberry
What's up with you becoming my personal cyber stalker ?
It should be obvious to any serious student of human nature that
the Putz is a repressed homosexual in deep denial. I like twitting
him about it because it pisses him off.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Jeff Miller
rw wrote:
>
> I'm think wayno was talking to me, Stev. (My first name is Stephen.) I
> don't understand quite what he's getting at, though, because I've
> watched the Ken & Wolfgang act for about as long as he has, and I've met
> both of them face-to-face, so I think I have a pretty good understanding
> of who they are as human beings.
>
...funny stuff this... i think i've watched the show as long as
you...and probably spent more time in their actual presence...but, i'm
amazed at our different conclusions. likewise...i've differed with
others on their ethernet opinions of you... hell, i'm starting to think
i'm the soup sandwich in this here salon...uh, saloon.
jeff
rw
Let's just take one recent example of what kind of human being
Fortenberry is, Jeff. He's the kind of person who accuses me of being a
homosexual, in a admitted effort to make me angry. Furthermore, he does
it in a public forum (ROFF) in which there is no danger of confronting
me in person. This isn't an aberration, either. It's a consisent,
regular, predictable Fortenberry pattern.
Maybe you feel differently, Jeff, but that is not what I'd call the
behavior of an honorable human being.
Wolfgang
"Jeff Miller" <jl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:zNQ5b.116517$xf.96922@lakeread04...
Stop me if you've heard this one.
Back about 25 years ago, I knew a young couple who had moved to Kenosha from
somewhere up in the backwoods of northern WI. They
was.......um.......primeval, if you get my drift. Anyway, one day while
visiting at their house.....tossing the new bay in the air....you know, that
kind of thing....I had to make a pit stop. So, I goes into the bathroom and
somebody had not only left the seat down (inconsiderate bastards!) but even
the lid! And there, someone had decoupaged a lovely woodland scene,
surrounded by letters cut out of various magazine, and spelling out, "Beauty
is in the eye of the behinder". Har, har!
Wolfgang
Jeff Miller
another. most could give a rip. truth is, it's just easy and i'm too
lazy to scroll.
when warren and i were on our friday night bar visitation in
phillipsburg montana, some big guy at the bar made a shitty remark about
the simms hat i was wearing - the one i got in the roff raffle, donated
by chuck. he was a big guy, but i was invincibly drunk... so i told him
to go fuk himself several times. neither of us were serious, and i
doubt the exchange was either meaningful or a true measure of our
character. he woulda beat me to death if he took a mind to, but i
suspect he figured i woulda bit his ear and nose off if given the
opportunity. neither of us gave it any further effort, and it all passed
with him suggesting i have a good life and me agreeing with his
recommendation.
it took me a while, but i've decided not to calculate finally any
human's worth or character by the stuff in the words posted here,
whether at the top or bottom. grown-ups have more important things to
lock their souls onto, imo. i guess years of seeing folks at their
absolute worst has numbed me to the silly slanders occurring in this
theater. ...and btw, what the hell's wrong with being a homosexual? i
mean, everyone in the nc piedmont knows wayno's actually a flaming
artsy-fartsy fag....
jeff
Tim J.
"Jeff Miller" wrote...
> ...and btw, what the hell's wrong with being a homosexual? i
> mean, everyone in the nc piedmont knows wayno's actually a flaming
> artsy-fartsy fag....
I've heard this before, but now that it's in writing on the Internet (much like
Molly Ivins), I guess it must be true.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj
Ken Fortenberry
>
> Let's just take one recent example of what kind of human being
> Fortenberry is, Jeff. He's the kind of person who accuses me of being a
> homosexual, in a admitted effort to make me angry. Furthermore, he does
> it in a public forum (ROFF) in which there is no danger of confronting
> me in person. This isn't an aberration, either. It's a consisent,
> regular, predictable Fortenberry pattern.
Let's just take one recent example of a Putz post to this public forum,
and I quote:
============================================================================
I am so happy to see you back, Wolfgang, with your inimitable combination
of obscurity, gratuitous personal insults, self importance, and (in general)
obnoxiousness. ROFF just hasn't been the same in your absence. I'm sure
Ken is happy too, because he hasn't had his dick sucked on ROFF for quite
some time.
============================================================================
You're not fooling anyone, other than yourself, with your macho Idaho
flyfishing cowboy act. In fact, it's pathetic to the point of pitiful.
I feel sorry for you. Be true to yourself, Steven. You'll always be a
putz, but you can be a happier putz if you can grow to like yourself.
--
Ken Fortenberry
rw
>
> You're not fooling anyone, other than yourself, with your macho Idaho
> flyfishing cowboy act.
Now I get it! You're jealous, you little bitch!
Wayne Harrison
"Tim J." <NOkpos...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:dzS5b.269165$It4.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
may i have this dance, my darling?
yfitons
wayno
> http://css.sbcma.com/timj
>
>
rw
>
> Let's just take one recent example of a Putz post to this public forum,
> and I quote:
>
> ============================================================================
> I am so happy to see you back, Wolfgang, with your inimitable combination
> of obscurity, gratuitous personal insults, self importance, and (in general)
> obnoxiousness. ROFF just hasn't been the same in your absence. I'm sure
> Ken is happy too, because he hasn't had his dick sucked on ROFF for quite
> some time.
> ============================================================================
That's a metaphor, Ken. Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.
You and Wolfgang are the two worst Usenet dicksuckers I've ever seen.
It's really very funny.
Ken Fortenberry
> ...
> Ken is happy too, because he hasn't had his dick sucked on ROFF ...
>
> That's a metaphor, Ken. Look it up ...
Yeah, metaphor, right.
Good luck explaining "metaphor" to Willi the cyber stalker.
--
Ken Fortenberry
rw
>
> Good luck explaining "metaphor" to Willi the cyber stalker.
Is this what you call, like, whining?
Face it, Ken. Some people despise you, including me. Deal with it.
rw
>
> when warren and i were on our friday night bar visitation in
> phillipsburg montana, some big guy at the bar made a shitty remark about
> the simms hat i was wearing - the one i got in the roff raffle, donated
> by chuck.
You got drunk with Warren in a Phillipsburg bar wearing a Simms hat? You
have a lot of sand, Jeff. :-)
B J Conner
when they were "trash fish". There was no limit and you were encouraged not
to throw them back. They were all Dolly Vardens then, no one distinguished
between Bull Trout and Dolly Vardens.
"Tim Lysyk" <timlysyk@telus_NOSPAM_.net> wrote in message
news:Abe5b.64616$ho5.1...@news2.telusplanet.net...
. Nice to see them coming
> back.
>
> Tim Lysyk
> timlysyk at telus dot net
rw
> They should come back pretty strong. There pretty hardy fish. I remember
> when they were "trash fish". There was no limit and you were encouraged not
> to throw them back. They were all Dolly Vardens then, no one distinguished
> between Bull Trout and Dolly Vardens.
I've always liked the name "Dolly Varden," and that's what I used to
call them when I first started catching them here. This thread made be
curious about the name, so I Googled it.
From: http://www.island.net/~flyrod/fish.html
"Dolly Varden are a species of char, renowned for their voracious
feeding habits in the salmon streams of the Pacific Northwest, where
they routinely reach sizes in excess of 8 lbs. The origin of the name is
unclear, but is thought to be linked to the character of the same name
in Barnaby Rudge by Charles Dickens."
That's cool, but how did a fish get a name from a Charles Dickens novel?
There must be a story behind that.
Also:
"Identification: Grouped together due to similarities in habitat and
appearance, the Dolly Varden and the bull trout (which is also known as
the western brook trout) both have white leading edges to their lower
fins, and white/pink spots on the body. The two species are almost
indistinguishable; however, some specimens can be told apart by the size
of the head, which is considerably smaller with the Dolly Varden than it
is with the bull trout, and as a rule of thumb all specimens over 12 lbs
in size will be bull trout."
That 25 incher I caught while baitfishing :-) has a huge head.
Tim J.
"Wayne Harrison" wrote...
>
> "Tim J." wrote...
> >
> > "Jeff Miller" wrote...
> > > ...and btw, what the hell's wrong with being a homosexual? i
> > > mean, everyone in the nc piedmont knows wayno's actually a flaming
> > > artsy-fartsy fag....
> >
> > I've heard this before, but now that it's in writing on the Internet
> > (much like Molly Ivins), I guess it must be true.
> >
> > Not that there's anything wrong with that.
>
Super! Penns 2004? I just *love* it when my dance card fills early.
--
TL,
Tim
I'll bring the Weird Al Yankovic "Polka Party" CD.
------------------------
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Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>
>> Good luck explaining "metaphor" to Willi the cyber stalker.
>
> Is this what you call, like, whining?
No, that's all but coming right and saying that Willi is
somewhat dense.
> Face it, Ken. Some people despise you, including me. Deal with it.
You just don't get it, do you ? This is exactly what Wayno alluded
to in the post that confused you so. You see dearie, unlike me and
Wolfie, you can dish it out, but you can't take it. You are such an
arrogant, pompous ass that you are astounded to the point of outrage
when you receive a healthy dose of your own vitriol. You whine and
squeal and pout like a little pussy.
And I don't doubt some despise me, but there's only one putz I know
of who ever received a prank call from a 'Clave.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Tim J.
"rw" wrote...
> I don't understand quite what he's getting at, though, because I've
> watched the Ken & Wolfgang act for about as long as he has, . . .
They're still together? I heard they broke up the act in '56 and went their
separate ways - Ken to make many movies and capture the heart of France, and
Wolfgang to further his singing career and become a mainstay on the Las Vegas
strip. Except for their brief reappearance together on the Telethon in '76, they
worked individually until Wolfgang's untimely death in 1995 at age 78. . .
I could be mistaken.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
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rw
> rw wrote:
>
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Good luck explaining "metaphor" to Willi the cyber stalker.
>>
>>
>> Is this what you call, like, whining?
>
>
> No, that's all but coming right and saying that Willi is
> somewhat dense.
Nope, it's whining.
>> Face it, Ken. Some people despise you, including me. Deal with it.
>
>
> You just don't get it, do you ?
Yes, I get it that I've succeeded once again in getting you really,
really pissed off. It's amusing because you're so ineffectual when you
get mad on Usenet, and you're too much of a pussy to get mad in person.
rw
> "rw" wrote...
>
>
>>I don't understand quite what he's getting at, though, because I've
>>watched the Ken & Wolfgang act for about as long as he has, . . .
>
>
> They're still together? I heard they broke up the act in '56 and went their
> separate ways - Ken to make many movies and capture the heart of France, and
> Wolfgang to further his singing career and become a mainstay on the Las Vegas
> strip. Except for their brief reappearance together on the Telethon in '76, they
> worked individually until Wolfgang's untimely death in 1995 at age 78. . .
>
> I could be mistaken.
Wrong act, Tim. Ken and Wolfgang were forced to change their names and
move their act to the Internet after their long-time partner, Curly, was
hit by a bus.
Ken Fortenberry
> ...
I can't get pissed at you Steven, you're just too pitiful and
sad. You demand respect and desperately need to be liked, but
the pathetic truth is you can't even like or respect yourself.
Your arrogance is transparent.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Tim Lysyk
"rw" <royal...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3f582500$0$23220$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com...
> That's cool, but how did a fish get a name from a Charles Dickens novel?
> There must be a story behind that.
According to one of my references, Dolly Varden was a popular subject of
paintings. These paintings inspried the creation of Dolly Varden dresses,
which became quite popular. The name of the fish was used because of the
fishes resembelnce to the color pattren of one of the Dolly Varden dresses.
>
> "Identification: Grouped together due to similarities in habitat and
> appearance, the Dolly Varden and the bull trout (which is also known as
> the western brook trout) both have white leading edges to their lower
> fins, and white/pink spots on the body. The two species are almost
> indistinguishable; however, some specimens can be told apart by the size
> of the head, which is considerably smaller with the Dolly Varden than it
> is with the bull trout, and as a rule of thumb all specimens over 12 lbs
> in size will be bull trout."
>
> That 25 incher I caught while baitfishing :-) has a huge head.
There is a bit more to it than that. Dolly Varden's natural distribution is
more coastal, bull trout more interior. Also, there are a variety of
differences in head structure.
Tim Lysyk
Joe McIntosh
RW,tim,ken, and your group--how about putting a * beside the title of your
posts if they contain anything about fishing--then I might view them before
hitting delete.
Joe McIntosh
Tim J.
"Joe McIntosh" wrote...
>
> RW,tim,ken, and your group--how about putting a * beside the title of your
> posts if they contain anything about fishing--then I might view them before
> hitting delete.
I'll be damned. It's grown from a two person act to a full blown group.
I couldn't help noticing the omission of Wolfgang, wayno, jeff, et. al. I also
couldn't help noticing that I've written several posts and emails (all ON topic)
directed at you to which I received no response.
Why don't you just make up a list of who should be allowed to post on roff so I
can keep it as a guideline for the future. In the meantime, go back and check
your own posts of late and see if there just might be a few that are OT (as in
"political'). Looks like a case of the pot calling the kettle black to me. If my
mom hadn't taught me to respect my elders, I'd say BIOYA, but I won't.
--
Whatever,
Tim
------------------------
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Tim J.
"Tim J." wrote what he shouldn't have...
Joe, I hit the "send" button before the "DEL" key. Disregard previous
transmission and just pretend RWBNS.
rw
>
> I can't get pissed at you Steven, you're just too pitiful and
> sad.
Oh yeah, you aren't pissed at all. Right.
I feel like it's my duty to distract you from your favorite hobby, which
is jacking off in front of your monitor while insulting ROFF newbies
with your tough-guy Usenet persona.
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>
>> I can't get pissed at you Steven, you're just too pitiful and
>> sad.
>
> Oh yeah, you aren't pissed at all. Right.
There's that trademark arrogance again. I treat you with loathing
because you're a loathsome putz, but anger I reserve for important
things, and although this may come as a surprise to you, you're
not important.
--
Ken Fortenberry
rw
>
> I treat you with loathing
> because you're a loathsome putz,
... but you're not pissed.
C'mon, Ken. Don't hold back. Express your anger -- it's cleansing.
"Loathsome putz" is a pretty lame effort.