TR: Lessons learned in Montana
Conan the Librarian
nice cabin right on the Madison just upstream from the Raynold's Pass
bridge. Caught a few fish, but not on the Madison. Here's some of
what I learned on my trip:
Yellowstone Park is too big to cover in a week's time, especially
if you want to fish while sightseeing.
If you want to fish and SWMBO wants to take pictures, you can
co-exist on a trip like this, but don't expect to have a lot of luck
fishing.
Fishing "on-the clock" (i.e., for a couple of hours at a time
between sightseeing) is a lesson in frustration when you're on new
waters and you're also new to fishing for trout with flies.
Some brook trout are so eager to attempt to commit suicide that
they will attack anything that comes floating over them, no matter how
poorly tied or presented.
Indian Creek in the park has a large population of the
aforementioned brook trout.
The Gallatin near Taylor Creek is one of the most beautiful bodies
of water I have ever seen.
It is also tough to fish when the wind is blowing at 35-40 m.p.h.
The Firehole between Biscuit Basin and the Ojo Caliente Bend is
truly odd, and it is an almost mystical place to fish to rising fish
when a freak snowshower hits while the sun is shining.
The Gardner is an unassuming little river until the wind picks up
to 35-40 m.p.h.
The Madison near Raynold's Pass is tough for a novice who is faced
with a short amount of time and a fair number of rising fish on his
last night. (At least the wind wasn't blowing at 35-40 m.p.h.)
Sometimes nature will tell you what you can't distinguish
otherwise, by lodging a small baetis between the lens of your glasses
and clipons, while trying to figure out what fly to use for feeding
fish on your last night.
Tying on a similar-sized (#18) para BWO may actually get a few
splashy rises from fish.
Hooking those fish is easier said than done.
Missing rising fish on the Madison at 7:00 on a clear September
evening is more fun than probably 90% of the things I can think of to
do.
And finally, I plan to go back to Montana until I figure out how to
change "missing" to "hooking some".
Chuck Vance (oh yeah ... Moose Drool is a fine ale, Montana beef
is outstanding, the Happy Hour bar has a great ambience and good
burgers, and Montana is windier than any other place I've been in my
life with the exception of the Crowsnest Pass in Canada)
Tim J.
"Conan the Librarian" wrote...
<Snipped fine TR>
> Missing rising fish on the Madison at 7:00 on a clear September
> evening is more fun than probably 90% of the things I can think of to
> do.
I've never been to the Madison, but I think this is one of those "insert your
favorite river here" kinda statements.
Very nice.
--
TL,
Tim
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Larry Linthicum
"Conan the Librarian" <cv...@swt.edu> wrote
>
> It is also tough to fish when the wind is blowing at 35-40 m.p.h.
>
Welcome to Montanomyingaho
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
Ernie
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slenon
Bridger and others of renoun, your catch is cooked when you land it.
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Ken Fortenberry
> Next trip try the Lamar, NE corner of park.
This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Larry Linthicum
"Ken Fortenberry" <kenfortenberry@*remove*ameritech.net> wrote
>
> This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
>
LOL
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
I have caught trout within a rod's length of a "hot pool", and could have
swing it over and cooked it with no problem.
Ernie
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SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
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Right Ken :)
Ernie
slenon
>swing it over and cooked it with no problem.
>Ernie
Truly an amazing place, what ever reason takes one there.
I always wanted to fish Two-Ocean Creek, between Yellowstone and Grand
Teton, but never got to fish it.
Bridger got so much flak for telling tales of Yellowstone but he really
understated it.
Wayne Harrison
> >I have caught trout within a rod's length of a "hot pool", and could have
> >swing it over and cooked it with no problem.
> >Ernie
>
> Truly an amazing place, what ever reason takes one there.
>
> I always wanted to fish Two-Ocean Creek, between Yellowstone and Grand
> Teton, but never got to fish it.
>
> Bridger got so much flak for telling tales of Yellowstone but he really
> understated it.
yeah, those old guys of about the same age group have that cross to
bear. take the pirate, for instance: no one ever buys into his tales of
the rapid river until they go there.
yfitons
wayno (course, havin jo at the camp doesn't hurt the legends...)
Dave LaCourse
>yeah, those old guys of about the same age group have that cross to
>bear. take the pirate, for instance: no one ever buys into his tales of
>the rapid river until they go there.
Heading up there for a week this coming Sunday, with the lucky little woman,
and the happy puppy Henry. Hope it is cold. I don't mind rain (from the
hurricane), but I can do without the winds. Of course, I can't think of a
better place to sit out a little windstorm than in the lodge with a roaring
fire. a beautiful woman, and maybe a dram or two of Macallan 18 yo whisky.
Such is life........<sigh>
Dave
slenon
>bear. take the pirate, for instance: no one ever buys into his tales of
>the rapid river until they go there.
>yfitons
>wayno (course, havin jo at the camp doesn't hurt the legends...)
I'm going to have to find some way to schedule another trip north, or invite
a few reprobates down when the snow flies.
Dave LaCourse
>I'm going to have to find some way to schedule another trip north, or invite
>a few reprobates down when the snow flies.
You better hurry. Fishing seasons ends in Maine on the last day of September.
However, the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake, the start of the Kennebec River, is
open to fly fishing, c&r only, until the end of October. And it snows in
northern Maine in October.
Dave
slenon
September.
>However, the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake, the start of the Kennebec
River, is
>open to fly fishing, c&r only, until the end of October. And it snows in
>northern Maine in October.
>Dave
Can't do it this fall. Economics don't allow. But having seen Maine once,
I will be back somehow.
Got saltwater gear? I can fish the year round down here within 25 minutes
of the front door. It's not trout but it is fishing, there's no snow, and
the chow is up to submarine quality standards.
Dave LaCourse
>Got saltwater gear? I can fish the year round down here within 25 minutes
>of the front door. It's not trout but it is fishing, there's no snow, and
>the chow is up to submarine quality standards.
>
I don't do salt. Tried it a couple of times and didn't really like it. And,
yes, I caught fish.
Dave
Flyfish
news:20030915175104...@mb-m14.aol.com:
> You better hurry. Fishing seasons ends in Maine on the last day of
> September. However, the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake, the start of
> the Kennebec River, is open to fly fishing, c&r only, until the end of
> October. And it snows in northern Maine in October.
>
> Dave
>
The hardcore know that the Kennebec below Shawmut dam (to the sea), never
closes :-)
And it only snows in October sometimes, er yeah that's my story and I'm
sticking to it!
Flyfish
Allen Epps
<fly...@notachance.com> wrote:
Hell, It snowed in Sept in Rangely last time I was up there, then was
70 degrees and hour later!
Allen Epps
Catonsville, MD
Missile hazards identified and ready to be stowed, all hands brace for
shock!
Wolfgang
"Allen Epps" <gae...@deleteme.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Xns93F7C7CBE1D7...@24.48.107.54>, Flyfish
> Hell, It snowed in Sept in Rangely last time I was up there, then was
> 70 degrees and hour later!
Not the norm, but not unusual enough to excite much comment in extreme
northern Curdistan and Michigan's upper peninsula. In much of the UP, the
snow falls so early and so fast that by the time the really cold weather
hits, the ground is well enough insulated to result in a very shallow frost
line. Kenosha, WI, which sits just above the Illinois line and three
hundred or so miles to the south of Bruce Crossing, MI., has a much deeper
frost line. The BIG lake at work.
Wolfgang
hey jeffie, what the hell is the $0.49 for?........down payment on an olive
pasty?
Joel Axelrad
>
>This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
>
>--
>Ken Fortenberry
>
Sorry Ken, I strongly disagree with you. The best fishing (in the Park) any
time of the year is in the North-East corner. The Lamar, Soda Butte, upper
Slough, upper Cache, upper Pebble, Trout Lake and others can't be beat for
numbers of fish, size of fish, beauty of the place, it's usually less crowded
and the fish are easier to catch than over on the West Yellowstone side. Just
my 2¢ worth.
Joel Axelrad
**DFD**
Ken Fortenberry
>>Ken Fortenberry writes....
>
>>This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
>
Please tell me that your claim to have graduated from the University
of Illinois was a cruel hoax.
--
Ken Fortenberry
daytripper
Sorry Joe, but you just wiffed on a slow pitch...
/daytripper (think "motivation" ;-)
pw
>
>> Next trip try the Lamar, NE corner of park.
>
>This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
Yup - Ken's correct ;-)
-pw
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>>
>>This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
>>
>>--
>>Ken Fortenberry
>>
>
>Sorry Ken, I strongly disagree with you. The best fishing (in the Park) any
>time of the year is in the North-East corner. The Lamar, Soda Butte, upper
>Slough, upper Cache, upper Pebble, Trout Lake and others can't be beat for
>numbers of fish, size of fish, beauty of the place, it's usually less crowded
Wrong Joel (about the crowds). It's out of control. I am there about
3 days a week and there are fisherman every where. Some moron today
walked right in and started fishing about 15 feet away from one of my
guys. This was in a small-ish run. I've also had people move in on
me on Soda Butte, on the other bank, casting their flies along my
guests. And that part of Soda Butte was no more than 6 feet wide!
-pw
>and the fish are easier to catch than over on the West Yellowstone side. Just
>my 2¢ worth.
>
>Joel Axelrad
>**DFD**
JR
>
> Wrong Joel (about the crowds). It's out of control. I am there about
> 3 days a week and there are fisherman every where. Some moron today
> walked right in and started fishing about 15 feet away from one of my
> guys. This was in a small-ish run. I've also had people move in on
> me on Soda Butte, on the other bank, casting their flies along my
> guests. And that part of Soda Butte was no more than 6 feet wide!
How come you take your clients to such crowded places?
JR
Jeff Miller
jeff (who now has an entirely new epicacean nightmare to contend with)
Conan the Librarian
> This is bad advice. All the good fishing is near West Yellowstone.
Heh. Sure, Ken.
Don't worry, I'm well aware of the L*m*r, Sl**gh Cr**k, S*d* B*tt*,
P*bbl* Cr**k, etc.
And I promise I won't tell a soul.
Chuck Vance
Jeff Miller
Conan the Librarian wrote:
you and a million others... but not that many are willing to walk as
far as ken...
jeff
Conan the Librarian
> "Conan the Librarian" <cv...@swt.edu> wrote
>
> > It is also tough to fish when the wind is blowing at 35-40 m.p.h.
>
> Welcome to Montanomyingaho
Yeah, I wasn't surprised by it, just frustrated. Where we were
staying, we had the Continental divide/Idaho border to the south
(across the pass), the Madison valley towards Ennis to the west, and
the Slide Inn/Quake Lake to the east. It wasn't a question of *if* we
would have wind, just a question of which direction it would be from.
The only time during the trip where I had a wind that worked for me
was the last evening at the Madison. Everywhere else it seemed like
it was always blowing directly into my face.
So how do you deal with wind like that? I tried everything I know
(admittedly that's not much), yet I was having a helluva time.
Chuck Vance
slenon
And,
>yes, I caught fish.
>Dave
I would assume you were capable of catching fish in salt waters. The gear
is heavier and the techniques sure different from what I learned in
freshwater. But there are bass down here if you're so inclined. And there
is no snow. I got so damned tired of scraping ice off my windows to go in
on call during my last winters up north.
slenon
>70 degrees and hour later!
>Allen Epps
I've been snowed on in every month of the year above 10,000 feet. Latitude
has the same effect as altitude with regard to weather and climate. There
is a calculation comparing the two but I can't recall it today.
Dave LaCourse
>I would assume you were capable of catching fish in salt waters. The gear
>is heavier and the techniques sure different from what I learned in
>freshwater. But there are bass down here if you're so inclined. And there
>is no snow. I got so damned tired of scraping ice off my windows to go in
>on call during my last winters up north.
>
Yes, I have caught a few stripers. Used an 8 weight Orvis POS. Gear wasn't
the problem. The problem was it didn't seem like fly fishing. I know it is
popular and you catch lots of big fish, but it isn't for me. I've been out
about 5 times and I doubt I'll ever fish salt again.
No snow? Shit, that ain't normal! d;o) Being born and raised in New England,
and having been stationed here for seven years while in the Navy, and living
here since my retirement 27 years ago, snow just isn't a problem. You get the
right tires on the right car and you can go anywhere. Keep busy with winter
sports, including fishing, and it ain't too bad. Of course come about March
the fever gets pretty bad. You ever been on roff in March? d;o)
Dave
Tim J.
"Dave LaCourse" wrote...
I've been through March in roff, and it's a wonder April still comes. <shiver>
Thank goodness for FF shows, or we'd never make it to Spring.
--
TL,
Tim
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Ken Fortenberry
> ... You ever been on roff in March? d;o)
Ah hell, it ain't all that bad. I mean compared to the Spanish
Inquisition or castration with a dull, rusty razor, how bad can
a group wide case of the shack nasties really be ? ;-)
--
Ken Fortenberry
Larry Linthicum
"Conan the Librarian" <cv...@swt.edu> wrote
> So how do you deal with wind like that? I tried everything I know
> (admittedly that's not much), yet I was having a helluva time.
>
I'm not the one to seek advice from, as I don't fair well in the wind. I
often switch to shot and nymphs ... since the wind has all the fun gone from
casting, anyway ..... I use a home made leader that is mostly stiff butt,
very short tippet .... and I fish the heavy end of "trout rod" line
weights... 6 wt usually I'm looking for a better wind fighting rod before
I go back to that area, next year ... I fish with the wind, not "up stream"
even if that seems wrong, often picking only lies I can cast to rather than
where I might cast in different circumstances,. covering more water than I
normally would
I'm not a real fan of the Madison ( below Quake, I love it in the Park ) but
next time ..simply refuse to "see" anything but the 20 or 30 feet nearest
the shore ... do this and you'll suddenly find yourself fishing a small
freestone stream, and things start to make far more sense, even in the wind
Dave LaCourse
>Ah hell, it ain't all that bad. I mean compared to the Spanish
>Inquisition or castration with a dull, rusty razor, how bad can
>a group wide case of the shack nasties really be ? ;-)
Yeah, I guess I was exaggggerating again. But make sure you warm up the f, u,
b, r, w, c, and p keys. You'll need them. d;o)
Dave
slenon
seven years while in the Navy, and living
>here since my retirement 27 years ago, snow just isn't a problem. You get
the
>right tires on the right car and you can go anywhere. Keep busy with
winter
>sports, including fishing, and it ain't too bad. Of course come about
March
>the fever gets pretty bad. You ever been on roff in March? d;o)
>Dave
I grew up with snow, if not the quantities that you had. Learned to drive
on it in the Ozarks where ice lurked just as it does in the NE. When I
lived in CO, I learned to keep the necessary tools and survival gear in the
car at all times and to enjoy playing and camping in the snow. But along
about 1990, I began to lose my abililty to ignore cold temps as well as I
used to. Still bothers me that I can't. If I could afford a second home,
Maine would be one of the few places I would look.
March gets pretty bad in lots of wintery locations. Folks in CO got valley
fever and had to find ways to deal with it. This March will be my first
ROFF spring but other newsgroups can demonstrate much the same degree of
need for sunshine and activity.
Your Orvis experience, I take it, was not satisfactory. I'm using an 8 wt
Orvis 4 piece that beats what I've owned before. Not that I wouldn't be
interested in moving upward if someone handed me the winning ticket.
But salt water doesn't have the same feel as trout streams. I do understand
that. Even yesterday, when the poirpose swam right under my line, close
enough for me to feel the fluke wash, it still wasn't the Roaring Fork.
slenon
>Inquisition or castration with a dull, rusty razor, how bad can
>a group wide case of the shack nasties really be ? ;-)
After that little socio-legal event called divorce, most males would
probably never even turn a hair.
Dave LaCourse
>But salt water doesn't have the same feel as trout streams. I do understand
>that. Even yesterday, when the poirpose swam right under my line, close
>enough for me to feel the fluke wash, it still wasn't the Roaring Fork.
Exactly!
It was the smell of the woods, the sight and sound of the woods and stream that
brought me back to fly fishing after a 30+ year hiatus.
Danl
"slenon" <sle...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >Ah hell, it ain't all that bad. I mean compared to the Spanish
> >Inquisition or castration with a dull, rusty razor, how bad can
> >a group wide case of the shack nasties really be ? ;-)
> >Ken Fortenberry
>
> After that little socio-legal event called divorce, most males would
> probably never even turn a hair.
>
Boy, it's obvious that you haven't been through ROFF in March. Divorce?
Hell, lots of people recover from a divorce and go on to lead nearly normal
lives.
Danl
Willi
Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
> Yeah, I wasn't surprised by it, just frustrated. Where we were
> staying, we had the Continental divide/Idaho border to the south
> (across the pass), the Madison valley towards Ennis to the west, and
> the Slide Inn/Quake Lake to the east. It wasn't a question of *if* we
> would have wind, just a question of which direction it would be from.
>
> The only time during the trip where I had a wind that worked for me
> was the last evening at the Madison. Everywhere else it seemed like
> it was always blowing directly into my face.
>
> So how do you deal with wind like that? I tried everything I know
> (admittedly that's not much), yet I was having a helluva time.
We had spells of very strong wind at the Bighorn, but the bugs were so
heavy, that there were usually still some fish working the top. When it
was blowing downstream (which was most of the time), I cast down and
across to get the fly out. Since I'm lacking in casting skills and was
unable to judge where the fly would land, I would drag the fly into the
feeding lane and flick out and pay out enough slack so it would drift
over the fish that was downstream without drag. Worked fairly well.
I cast down and across and fished a dry with a dropper and fished the
flies so they would swing right in front of the feeding fish. Got more
strikes with this but also missed lots of hits.
Willi
gol...@frii.com
Willi
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>
>> Please tell me that your claim to have graduated from the University
>> of Illinois was a cruel hoax.
>
> Like U of I was a tough school?
That was good natured sarcasm aimed at Joel. But yeah, Joel graduated
from one of the finest, and toughest accounting programs in the world.
Look it up. UI is at the top of the heap in accounting and her grads
are in high demand.
Just because you skated through and failed to earn your finger painting
and kennel cleaning degree doesn't mean UI is a cake walk.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Joe McIntosh
"Danl" <dfinn@*removethis*tfb.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
>
>
> Boy, it's obvious that you haven't been through ROFF in March. Divorce?
> Hell, lots of people recover from a divorce and go on to lead nearly
normal
> lives.
>
> Danl
>
poorer{$} one
>
>
slenon
>Exactly! It was the smell of the woods, the sight and sound of the woods
and stream that
>brought me back to fly fishing after a 30+ year hiatus.
I quite understand and I wouldn't try to lure you from your favorite haunts.
I'll have to find a way to get up there and fish with you instead of luring
you down to the part of FL that's still managed to escape being eaten by the
rat.
slenon
>> Hell, lots of people recover from a divorce and go on to lead nearly
>>normal lives.
>> Danl
>Ij offers -albeit [cannot find word in dictionary] usually a much
poorer{$} one
Been there, done that, lost the t-shirt in the settlement.
Bob Patton
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northwest in two months. Fine folks up there, but they think it's just the
bees' knees to catch big fish in salt water. To me it seems like those are
mere athletic events. Not even close to the feeling you get from spending a
day in a little mountain stream looking for native brookies. A completely,
totally different experience.
I've been trying to figure out how to describe the difference and I'm not
there yet. Spending fifty thousand bucks on a boat to take you five miles
offshore so you can drag in halibut and ling cod and the occasional salmon
on heavy tackle just isn't quite the same as working the pools and riffles
up Hazel Creek. Or working the North Fork River in the Missouri Ozarks for
wild rainbow trout.
Bob
Wayne Harrison
> Joe:
> >> Hell, lots of people recover from a divorce and go on to lead nearly
> >>normal lives.
> >> Danl
>
> >Ij offers -albeit [cannot find word in dictionary] usually a much
> poorer{$} one
>
> Been there, done that, lost the t-shirt in the settlement.
if it's t-shirts you want, i got all you need. and some of them are
rare, collectibles...
and , only for you, only this week: ten bucks a shirt.
yfitons
wayno (always a sucker for a pretty face)
Joel Axelrad
>Please tell me that your claim to have graduated from the University
>of Illinois was a cruel hoax.
>
>--
>Ken Fortenberry
>
:-)
Up with Chief Illiniwick!
Joel Axelrad
**DFD**
daytripper
[snipped]
> So how do you deal with wind like that? I tried everything I know
>(admittedly that's not much), yet I was having a helluva time.
A seven weight and a handful of Vitamin I...
/daytripper (no charge ;-)
Hooked
they make it out to be?
I'd love to try that some day.
"Dave LaCourse" <dav...@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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>
> Yes, I have caught a few stripers. Used an 8 weight Orvis POS. Gear
wasn't
> the problem. The problem was it didn't seem like fly fishing. I know it
is
> popular and you catch lots of big fish, but it isn't for me. I've been
out
> about 5 times and I doubt I'll ever fish salt again.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Dave LaCourse
>So you don't think that stalking bonefish, permit, and tarpon is all that
>they make it out to be?
>
Didn't say that. I am sure it is great fun. So are rollercoasters,
skateboards, quilting, and stamp collecting. I said it's not for me. If I was
in the tropics, I would lay back, catch the sun, and drink exotic fruit
concoctions. Fishing would be the last thing I would think of doing.
Dave
Conan the Librarian
> I'm not the one to seek advice from, as I don't fair well in the wind. I
> often switch to shot and nymphs ... since the wind has all the fun gone from
> casting, anyway ..... I use a home made leader that is mostly stiff butt,
> very short tippet .... and I fish the heavy end of "trout rod" line
> weights... 6 wt usually I'm looking for a better wind fighting rod before
> I go back to that area, next year ... I fish with the wind, not "up stream"
> even if that seems wrong, often picking only lies I can cast to rather than
> where I might cast in different circumstances,. covering more water than I
> normally would
That's basically how I tried to approach it. I only had a 5 wt
with me, and I tried switching over to dredging, but didn't do worth a
damn. And frankly, I just don't like fishing that way. Not to get
into any religious arguments, but a big part of the fun of flyfishing
for me is having the activity happening on or near the surface. I
know that limits me, but I figure that I need to learn how to
effectively fish a single style at a time. Once I become proficient
at fishing dries, then I'll start working on my nymphing skills.
I tried changing position and fishing downstream when the wind was
blowing that way, and I switched over to swinging soft hackles for a
while with a bit better luck. But even then, it was tough to find
that "zone" where I was letting the fly work while keeping in contact
with it, but not having it get lifted off the water by the line being
picked up by wind gusts.
I guess I just need to keep practicing.
> I'm not a real fan of the Madison ( below Quake, I love it in the Park ) but
> next time ..simply refuse to "see" anything but the 20 or 30 feet nearest
> the shore ... do this and you'll suddenly find yourself fishing a small
> freestone stream, and things start to make far more sense, even in the wind
I had read that advice in Craig Mathews book, and that's how I
approached it. The wind wasn't such a problem when I was fishing that
stretch of the Madison, and I actually felt like I was getting the
hang of things. I started fishing by prospecting along a couple of
seams off the faster water, and around a couple of underwater rocks
fairly close to the bank next to deeper water. These were the same
spots where the fish started rising a bit later, so at least I was in
the neighborhood.
Now if I can just hook a couple. :-}
Chuck Vance
Charlie Choc
wrote:
> I said it's not for me. If I was
>in the tropics, I would lay back, catch the sun, and drink exotic fruit
>concoctions. Fishing would be the last thing I would think of doing.
If you go south, I'd suggest you take an 8wt along just in case you
get tired of the fruit drinks. <g> If you caught a bonefish my guess
is you would find it more fun than you imagine.
There are a lot of types of salt water fishing that don't appeal to
me, but I'd hate to have to choose between fishing for trout and
saltwater flats fishing.
--
Charlie...
Conan the Librarian
> We had spells of very strong wind at the Bighorn, but the bugs were so
> heavy, that there were usually still some fish working the top. When it
> was blowing downstream (which was most of the time), I cast down and
> across to get the fly out. Since I'm lacking in casting skills and was
> unable to judge where the fly would land, I would drag the fly into the
> feeding lane and flick out and pay out enough slack so it would drift
> over the fish that was downstream without drag. Worked fairly well.
I played around with that a bit, but maybe I didn't give it enough
of a chance to work for me. I've been indoctrinated by all my
readings so much that I kept trying to fish dries "traditionally".
And I expect by the time I was finished bungling a few casts, any
self-respecting fish in the area was laughing at me.
I assume it was OK to approach these fish from upstream with that
method, no? I kept trying to be cautious in my approach, but with a
gale-force wind, I don't know if it was critical, and my casts kept
blowing back in my face anyway, so I wasn't really fishing very far
upstream. :-}
> I cast down and across and fished a dry with a dropper and fished the
> flies so they would swing right in front of the feeding fish. Got more
> strikes with this but also missed lots of hits.
Just out of curiosity, what combination were you fishing? I was
told by one guy that hoppers were done with, while another guy told me
that they were still good (and I saw them by the Gallatin). I had
copper johns and lightning bugs recomended to me by one guy (who said
PT's and GRHE's wouldn't work too well), while another guy said Prince
nymphs would do the job. Etc., etc.
I wound up tying on a foam hopper roughly the size and color of the
naturals on the Gallatin, and fished a PT off the bend. Then I
switched to a softhackle (partridge and orange and then partridge and
yellow) off the bend. I didn't manage any luck with those
combinations, and got tired of "casting" the thing in the wind, so I
went back to attractor patterns (no rises) and got skunked in that
section of the river.
Chuck Vance
Dave LaCourse
>There are a lot of types of salt water fishing that don't appeal to
>me, but I'd hate to have to choose between fishing for trout and
>saltwater flats fishing.
To each his own, Charlie. I've been in the tropics - a year on Guam and four
years in Panama - and like I said, fishing was the last thing I'd do. Tarpon
fishing in Panama was a great pass-time for many, but I never pursued it.
Now, if you want to pick up the tab for me to go flats fishing, I might take
you up on it. But, I wouldn't pursue it on my own. d;o)
Dave
Conan the Librarian
Heh. I was almost wishing I had brought my bass rod (8 wt.) along
with me. :-}
In retrospect, there might have been some positives to the heavy
wind. At least the fish couldn't spot my clumsy antics on the stream
as easily.
And ironically, I had my best luck while a strong wind was blowing.
Chuck Vance (of course that could be because there was *always*
a strong wind blowing)
Conan the Librarian
> Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
> > Don't worry, I'm well aware of the L*m*r, Sl**gh Cr**k, S*d* B*tt*,
> > P*bbl* Cr**k, etc.
> >
> you and a million others...
Yeah, and that was basically my point. All anyone has to do is
spend a few minutes Googling ROFF or any Yellowstone flyfishing
sources to know that that corner of the park is outstanding.
> but not that many are willing to walk as
> far as ken...
More power to him.
Chuck Vance
riverman
"Dave LaCourse" <dav...@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
> Hooked writes:
>
> >So you don't think that stalking bonefish, permit, and tarpon is all that
> >they make it out to be?
> >
>
> Didn't say that. I am sure it is great fun. So are rollercoasters,
> skateboards, quilting, and stamp collecting. I said it's not for me. If
I was
> in the tropics, I would lay back, catch the sun, and drink exotic fruit
> concoctions. Fishing would be the last thing I would think of doing.
> Dave
Hmm, I admire your clarity of purpose. I'd be doing one and thinking of
doing the other. Either way.
--riverman
Willi
Conan the Librarian wrote:
> I wound up tying on a foam hopper roughly the size and color of the
> naturals on the Gallatin, and fished a PT off the bend. Then I
> switched to a softhackle (partridge and orange and then partridge and
> yellow) off the bend. I didn't manage any luck with those
> combinations, and got tired of "casting" the thing in the wind, so I
> went back to attractor patterns (no rises) and got skunked in that
> section of the river.
I'll dead drift soft hackles off a larger fly like a Stimulator of a
hopper. However, when I'm going to swing them I usually use a caddis
imitation. You can hop or bounce it along the surface like a natural
while anchored by the soft hackle or allow it to sink and swing both the
"dry" and the soft hackle. A larger fly dragging in the current puts off
fish, IMO, but a smaller can be made to "drag" in an enticing way.
Willi
gol...@frii.com
slenon
rare, collectibles...
> and , only for you, only this week: ten bucks a shirt.
>yfitons
I've got three dresser drawers full of Grateful Dead t-shirts, some rare and
collectible, if I can find someone who needs one badly enough. I need
another t-shirt like I need another piece of metal in my body. So.... send
me your list of t-shirts.
Kevin Vang
> Hooked writes:
>
>>So you don't think that stalking bonefish, permit, and tarpon is all that
>>they make it out to be?
>
> Didn't say that. I am sure it is great fun. So are rollercoasters,
> skateboards, quilting, and stamp collecting. I said it's not for me.
I believe it was Charles Ritz who said that saltwater flyfishing
was "for young people with strong stomachs, like having sex after
lunch."
Kevin
Wayne Harrison
slenon wrote in message ...
little inside joke, based on the fact that i have done all the t-shirts for
most of the eastern claves. none of them have sold out, of course, so i am
left with a large number of utterly indisposable shirts with various
formulations of r.o.f.f and associated printings.
but that's ok; on the day that we all become famous, an occasion that is
inevitable, i will have the market cornered on r.o.f.f memorabilia. vast
riches will flow into the coffers of little wayno's outfitters...
yfitons
for the firm
wayno (pass that pipe back this way, will ya, bro?)
>
Scott Seidman
news:Zc_9b.29739$kX.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
I've got a great Phil Brown shirt. At least I had one before my wife stole
it.
Scott
Ken Fortenberry
> Hooked writes:
>
>>So you don't think that stalking bonefish, permit, and tarpon is all that
>>they make it out to be?
>
> Didn't say that. I am sure it is great fun. So are rollercoasters,
> skateboards, quilting, and stamp collecting. I said it's not for me. If I was
> in the tropics, I would lay back, catch the sun, and drink exotic fruit
> concoctions. Fishing would be the last thing I would think of doing.
Yeah, what Louie said. I mean the bonefish thing is where you place little
crab imitations on the bottom, right ? Yuck. That ain't any kind of fly
fishing I'd ever be interested in again. I used to fish for smallmouth
with crawdad imitations right on the bottom but I won't ever do that again
either. If folks want to spend thousands of dollars to travel to some
exotic locale in the tropics, more power to them. That just means fewer
folks on the trout streams.
--
Ken Fortenberry
slenon
>So you don't think that stalking bonefish, permit, and tarpon is all that
they make it out to be?
>I'd love to try that some day.
It's expensive by the time you add up the trip costs, the guide costs, the
beer costs, and all the other incidentals. It isn't, in my opinion,
something that you can just pick up and go do on a day's whim.
I fish salt routinely, wading local flats. And I enjoy the trips out and
catching what I catch. But the trout streams are unique and I am aware of
the call to catch trout and salmon beyond any other fish.
Jeff Marso
>
> You all are describing it well. I just returned from my third trip to the
> northwest in two months. Fine folks up there, but they think it's just the
> bees' knees to catch big fish in salt water. To me it seems like those are
> mere athletic events. Not even close to the feeling you get from spending a
> day in a little mountain stream looking for native brookies. A completely,
> totally different experience.
>
>
<snip>
Bob,
Talk about painting with a broad brush! 3 trips to the Pac NW and you
know what everybody who is fishing there is fishing for and how? Wow,
must have been pretty amazing trips! There ARE a lot of people here who
fish the salt in the manner you describe. There are also a LOT of other
people quietly fishing in a manner you find better in places you'd like
better. Most of them (or if I may be so bold, us) keep quiet about it in
order to avoid having out-of-staters flock to our lovely little mountain
streams with lovely little native cutthroat.
slenon
>little inside joke, based on the fact that i have done all the t-shirts for
>most of the eastern claves. none of them have sold out, of course, so i am
>left with a large number of utterly indisposable shirts with various
>formulations of r.o.f.f and associated printings.
I sort of assumed there was a joke involved but the shirt I've seen looks
good. I almost asked about one before but like concert shirts I rarely wear
memorabilia for events I didn't attend. Still..... $10 is an awfully good
price for a shirt with a trout on th front.
> but that's ok; on the day that we all become famous, an occasion that is
inevitable, i will have the market cornered on r.o.f.f memorabilia. vast
>riches will flow into the coffers of little wayno's outfitters...
May that day come to you soon. And when I'm fortunate enough to fish at one
of the claves, I'll be sure to relieve you of some merchandise and leave the
necessary compensation.
riverman
"Dave LaCourse" <dav...@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
> Hooked writes:
>
> >So you don't think that stalking bonefish, permit, and tarpon is all that
> >they make it out to be?
> >
>
> Didn't say that. I am sure it is great fun. So are rollercoasters,
> skateboards, quilting, and stamp collecting. I said it's not for me. If
I was
> in the tropics, I would lay back, catch the sun, and drink exotic fruit
> concoctions. Fishing would be the last thing I would think of doing.
> Dave
Hmm, I admire your clarity of purpose. I'd be doing one and thinking of
Larry Linthicum
"Conan the Librarian" <cv...@swt.edu> wrote
>
> Now if I can just hook a couple. :-}
>
You will,
but,
more importantly it sounds like they hooked you.
That's the first step in a lifetime of adventures and misadventures trying
to catch silly trout, so you can put them back.
I wish I had the words to explain the power a fish's nose sticking through
the film and inhaling a tiny bug has over me. I don't, but, I'm thankful
be be subject to the power, thankful the power continues to increase.
It's an addiction and can, I guess, lead to ruined lives, in extreme cases.
But, don't worry, unlike most addictions, it nearly always leads to vastly
improved ones .....enjoy.
Hooked
day." I didn't say that I'd have to win the lottery first.
"slenon" <sle...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3h_9b.29740$kX.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
pw
>>
>> Wrong Joel (about the crowds). It's out of control. I am there about
>> 3 days a week and there are fisherman every where. Some moron today
>> walked right in and started fishing about 15 feet away from one of my
>> guys. This was in a small-ish run. I've also had people move in on
>> me on Soda Butte, on the other bank, casting their flies along my
>> guests. And that part of Soda Butte was no more than 6 feet wide!
>
>How come you take your clients to such crowded places?
>
>JR
I don't.
You must have been one of the people (or of the mentality) that moved
in on us after lunch also. First of all - we had the stretch all to
ourselves. Second, we hiked about a 1/2 mile into a section about 7
miles downstream and had two bozo's show up and proceed to cross the
river directly below us and then fish right up to us on the other
bank! These assh***s ended up fishing 5 feet away from us.
Are you the type of fishermen that asks "where should we fish? I
dunno, there are two other fisherman way across the other side of the
lake, let's fish there". If you see a couple of vehicles at a turn
off, what kind of mentality would decide to go fish there and walk in
on people? There are **800** miles of trout streams in YNP and these
ass***s decided to move in and fish 5-15 feet next to us?
I think your question should be addressed to these morons, not me!
-pw
-pw
livingston/emigrant,montana
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Wolfgang
"pw" <pw...@removeycsi.net> wrote in message
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Speaking only for myself mind you, I am certainly not the kind of
person you describe above. I would never walk up to within a stone's
throw of perfect strangers and begin fishing where they were.
However, based on your contributions above, I feel I am getting to
know you. I would still never horn in on your fishing spot, but I'm
beginning to think I'd walk a good few of those 800 miles to throw
stones into the stream where you were fishing. :)
Wolfgang
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
"Wolfgang" <wolf...@mcw.edu> wrote in message
news:bkacr4$randb$1...@ID-205717.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "pw" <pw...@removeycsi.net> wrote in message
> news:8g7hmvsl28o3b5d1v...@4ax.com...
> > >pw wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wrong Joel (about the crowds). It's out of control. I am there
> about
> > >> 3 days a week and there are fisherman every where. Some moron
> today
> > >> walked right in and started fishing about 15 feet away from one
> of my
> > >> guys.
>
> person you describe above. I would never walk up to within a stone's
> throw of perfect strangers and begin fishing where they were.
> However, based on your contributions above, I feel I am getting to
> know you. I would still never horn in on your fishing spot, but I'm
> beginning to think I'd walk a good few of those 800 miles to throw
> stones into the stream where you were fishing. :)
>
> Wolfgang
You got that right Wolfie. This guy sounds like a guide. I guess he
forgets about the drift boats that run right through where you are fishing
from the bank on the Madison. A pox on all guides. :)
Ernie
Ken Fortenberry
>
> You got that right Wolfie. This guy sounds like a guide. I guess he
> forgets about the drift boats that run right through where you are fishing
> from the bank on the Madison. A pox on all guides. :)
Most of the guides in that area, the northeast corner of the Park,
are nice enough guys. Well, Richard Parks is something of an unkempt,
obnoxious ass, but he's still a good enough guide. ;-) I don't know
this guy from Emigrant, never heard of him, but don't pox all the
guides just because of this one.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Wayne Harrison
"Greg Pavlov" <gpavlo...@fastmail.fm> wrote
> I tried to buy one from you but I never heard back,
> maybe becauseit was buried in a message in which
> I tried to take you up on your offer of advice for a new
> lens for my 35 mm SLR. Actually, I think that I sent
> more than one. Anywayyyy, if you have an XL or
> XXL around, I'd be happy to buy one.
apparently the usually crack staff at lwo let your missive slide
*through* the crack, this time. they will be severely chastised.
email me with an addy, and send me 12 bucks ($2 for ...handling
charges...). i assume you want the penn's 2003 model. for "back issues",
10 bucks apiece.
yfitons
wayno
>
>
Dave LaCourse
> i assume you want the penn's 2003 model. for "back issues",
>10 bucks apiece.
>
Go to:
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/waynostshirts.html
for a good look-see of lwo.
Buy two - one for the little lady to wear as a night shirt. Guaranteed
satisfaction!
Jeff Miller
Bob Patton wrote:
>...Spending fifty thousand bucks on a boat to take you five miles
> offshore so you can drag in halibut and ling cod and the occasional salmon
> on heavy tackle just isn't quite the same as working the pools and riffles
> up Hazel Creek. Or working the North Fork River in the Missouri Ozarks for
> wild rainbow trout.
those boys are pikers... most of the offshore rigs chartering out of the
outer banks are 500k to way over a million... course, i expect some may
depreciate a good bit in the next 48 hours.
every time i go to the gulf stream i appreciate the mountain streams
even more. btw, isn't it about time we started thinking of another
camporee on hazel or chambers or snowbird...
jeff
>
> Bob
>
>
Bob Patton
news:HLD79...@igsrsparc2.er.usgs.gov...
//snip//
> Talk about painting with a broad brush! 3 trips to the Pac NW and you
> know what everybody who is fishing there is fishing for and how? Wow,
> must have been pretty amazing trips! There ARE a lot of people here who
> fish the salt in the manner you describe. There are also a LOT of other
> people quietly fishing in a manner you find better in places you'd like
> better. Most of them (or if I may be so bold, us) keep quiet about it in
> order to avoid having out-of-staters flock to our lovely little mountain
> streams with lovely little native cutthroat.
oh, my! Sensitive, aren't we?!
Unless I accidentally included an anagram about the Deschutes, Umpqua,
Smith, or one of the other fine northwestern rivers, it should have been
pretty clear from the context of the thread that I was talking about
saltwater fishing . . . sheesh!
Bob
Please hand me back the brush when you're finished. :-)
Bob Patton
>
//snip//
> every time i go to the gulf stream i appreciate the mountain streams
> even more. btw, isn't it about time we started thinking of another
> camporee on hazel or chambers or snowbird...
>
> jeff
Absolutely! I'll be sure to bring plenty of powerbars and yellow water. :-)
There's still that spot on Hazel . . . One of these days!
And I'm sure there has a way from Snowbird to Tellico. I have to do that
before my faculties fail me any more than they already have.
Bob
daytripper
wrote:
>On 17 Sep 2003 12:10:47 GMT, dav...@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
>wrote:
>
>> I said it's not for me. If I was
>>in the tropics, I would lay back, catch the sun, and drink exotic fruit
>>concoctions. Fishing would be the last thing I would think of doing.
>
>If you go south, I'd suggest you take an 8wt along just in case you
>get tired of the fruit drinks. <g> If you caught a bonefish my guess
>is you would find it more fun than you imagine.
>
>There are a lot of types of salt water fishing that don't appeal to
>me, but I'd hate to have to choose between fishing for trout and
>saltwater flats fishing.
If Louie hooked his first bone it'd probably kill him daid...
/daytripper (we can't have that ;-)
daytripper
*Your* first bone would probably be life-changing.
I bet $10 you'd be Cook at a bonefishing camp in short order...
/daytripper ("short order"! LOL! I kill me ;-)
pw
>You got that right Wolfie. This guy sounds like a guide. I guess he
>forgets about the drift boats that run right through where you are fishing
>from the bank on the Madison. A pox on all guides. :)
>Ernie
>
I'd NEVER do that! You should take note of their outfitter number and
report them to the Montana Board of Outfitters (406-444-3738).
Outfitters and guides in Montana are required to display their
outfitter or guide number on their boat, and are also required to
yield to wading anglers if possible (i.e., row to the other bank). I
think they should also stop fishing when going by wading anglers or
other boats (which I instruct my folks to do).
If the run was so narrow that they can't avoid it, then that is
something I suppose can't be avoided (except, like I said, they
shouldn't be casting until they leave the area!).
pw
Sorry I was so rough Ken (to JR)!
I should have refrained. But all the etiquette articles that have
been published in the magazines seem to have fallen on some deaf ears
(and should haven't have to been explained in the first place either).
Besides, reading all the flame wars here might have egged me on a bit
- most here don't seem to be angels. Take this thread for instance!
:-)
I don't remember it being so bad in the "old" days (referring to this
newsgroup *and* fishing).
JR
>
> Sorry I was so rough Ken (to JR)!
Goodness. If you think *that* was rough, no wonder you're given to
hissy fits. <g>
In Oregon over the past 5-10 years or so, the sort of horning in you
describe in your earlier posts is something I've seen become
increasingly as much a practice of guides (who you'd expect would know
better) as of ordinary Joes (from whom it's wise not to expect much
anyway).
JR
Conan the Librarian
> "Conan the Librarian" <cv...@swt.edu> wrote
>
> > Now if I can just hook a couple. :-}
>
> You will,
> but,
> more importantly it sounds like they hooked you.
It's that obvious, eh? :-)
> That's the first step in a lifetime of adventures and misadventures trying
> to catch silly trout, so you can put them back.
When you put it that way, it *does* sound a bit odd. But no more
odd than folks who spend thousands of dollars on bassboats and such
and do the same thing. Or even those who spend all that cash and then
*keep* their fish. It's not like it's a good investment for fish on
the table. :-}
> I wish I had the words to explain the power a fish's nose sticking through
> the film and inhaling a tiny bug has over me. I don't, but, I'm thankful
> be be subject to the power, thankful the power continues to increase.
>
> It's an addiction and can, I guess, lead to ruined lives, in extreme cases.
> But, don't worry, unlike most addictions, it nearly always leads to vastly
> improved ones .....enjoy.
Nicely put. I've been there with my woodworking; I kept adding new
handtools, justifying their purchase by saying that they would help me
build nicer things for around the house and such. I finally just
acknowledged that I enjoy having nice tools around. Sometimes I like
to go out in my shop and clamp a nice piece of wood to my bench just
to make some plane shavings and see how the surface of the board
shines afterwards. It may not seem logical to someone who doesn't
"get it", but I derive a tremendous sense of satisfaction from it.
I seem to be heading in a similar direction with fly fishing. I
love tying flies, love the surroundings I'm in when I'm fishing, and
love it even more when I'm actually able to fool a fish with that blob
of feathers and fur that I attached to the hook.
Illogical? Maybe.
Addictive? Definitely.
Chuck Vance
Conan the Librarian
> I'll dead drift soft hackles off a larger fly like a Stimulator of a
> hopper. However, when I'm going to swing them I usually use a caddis
> imitation. You can hop or bounce it along the surface like a natural
> while anchored by the soft hackle or allow it to sink and swing both the
> "dry" and the soft hackle. A larger fly dragging in the current puts off
> fish, IMO, but a smaller can be made to "drag" in an enticing way.
Thanks for the tip. That's one thing I didn't try (caddis with
soft hackle). When I tied on a dropper, I usually was looking for a
floating fly that would serve as a good indicator, so I wound up using
foam hoppers or Stimulators. I never tried a caddis with a soft
hackle trailing.
Of course, I also never saw a caddis hatch while I was on the
water.
Chuck Vance
Dave LaCourse
>If Louie hooked his first bone it'd probably kill him daid...
>
>/daytripper (we can't have that ;-)
Daid? You've been talking to those NC boys again, aitcha? Bonefish... I don't
know about that. Perhaps I *would* find a new nirvana. However, I feel it is
all relative, i.e. you catch a big fighting fish on a big rod, or you catch a
smaller (but still big) fish on a small rod. Think I'll stick with the 6 - 9
pound brookies on a 4 wt, and the 22 - 25 inch rainbow on the same 4, all on
dry flies (there ya go, Forty).
The money I would spend on a bone trip would pay for another trip to Labrador
with a grandson. I think that would be more fun.
But, thanks for trying to spend my money for me. d;o)
Dave
pw
Wow! I guess we are still civilized in my area (but from what I
sometimes hear about the Big Horn, I guess all guides in my state
aren't gentleman).
Thanks JR
rw
>
> I mean the bonefish thing is where you place little
> crab imitations on the bottom, right ?
Usually shrimp imitations, actually.
It's very challenging fishing. Nothing at all like catching 6" brookies.
Willi
pw wrote:
>
>
>
> Wow! I guess we are still civilized in my area (but from what I
> sometimes hear about the Big Horn, I guess all guides in my state
> aren't gentleman).
>
> Thanks JR
>
> -pw
I had a "good" experience with a guide on the Bighorn. I hooked a nice
fish and a guide came over and helped net the fish. He commented on the
fish, then asked what I got it on. I told him a Hare's Ear soft hackle
but it turned out he didn't know what a soft hackle was.
Willi
gol...@frii.com
George Adams
>I had a "good" experience with a guide on the Bighorn. I hooked a nice
>fish and a guide came over and helped net the fish. He commented on the
>fish, then asked what I got it on. I told him a Hare's Ear soft hackle
>but it turned out he didn't know what a soft hackle was.
A few years back, I was fishing in Northern NH, across the stream from a guide
and an obviously inexperienced sport. He had her using the standard
nymph/indicator system, with little success. I noticed some light colored
mayflies staring to hatch, (turned out to be Sulphurs), and i tied on a #14
Usual, and began to hook one fish after another. The guide asked what I was
using, and he thought I was putting him on with my answer. I explained the
pattern, but I don't think he fully understood. Fish started rising steadily
upstream from his client, be he still had her lobbing the nymph.
George Adams
"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller
Clark Reid
> >I had a "good" experience with a guide on the Bighorn. I hooked a nice
> >fish and a guide came over and helped net the fish. He commented on the
> >fish, then asked what I got it on. I told him a Hare's Ear soft hackle
> >but it turned out he didn't know what a soft hackle was.
George Adams wrote:
> A few years back, I was fishing in Northern NH, across the stream from a
guide
> and an obviously inexperienced sport. He had her using the standard
> nymph/indicator system, with little success. I noticed some light colored
> mayflies staring to hatch, (turned out to be Sulphurs), and i tied on a
#14
> Usual, and began to hook one fish after another. The guide asked what I
was
> using, and he thought I was putting him on with my answer. I explained the
> pattern, but I don't think he fully understood. Fish started rising
steadily
> upstream from his client, be he still had her lobbing the nymph.
This is not an uncommon occurrence in NZ either, often you will meet guides
who don't seem to have a clue. It's one of the reasons many of us here are
pushing so hard for a guides license to be introduced... There has to be
some form of standard... In New Zealand, if you decide you are a guide, you
are one, no licensing, no requirement, just print a card and away you go...
It's why I sound so many warnings about hiring guides here.
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier
Willi
George Adams wrote:
>>From: Willi gol...@frii.com
>
>
>>I had a "good" experience with a guide on the Bighorn. I hooked a nice
>>fish and a guide came over and helped net the fish. He commented on the
>>fish, then asked what I got it on. I told him a Hare's Ear soft hackle
>>but it turned out he didn't know what a soft hackle was.
>
>
> A few years back, I was fishing in Northern NH, across the stream from a guide
> and an obviously inexperienced sport. He had her using the standard
> nymph/indicator system, with little success. I noticed some light colored
> mayflies staring to hatch, (turned out to be Sulphurs), and i tied on a #14
> Usual, and began to hook one fish after another. The guide asked what I was
> using, and he thought I was putting him on with my answer. I explained the
> pattern, but I don't think he fully understood. Fish started rising steadily
> upstream from his client, be he still had her lobbing the nymph.
The fishing at the Bighorn made Larry's point about indicator fishing.
There was a HUGE hatch of black caddis out (pictures will be coming - I
think). There were enough out that the big fish were aggressively coming
to the surface most of the day. We saw lots of people, most of them with
guides in drift boats, and saw only a couple fishing dries.
Willi
gol...@frii.com