dry fly and dropper question
no
line meets tapper leader (4.7 pounds), dry fly at end of tapper, 2 to 3
feet of 4 pound leader with a split shot or two in middle, and then a
nymph at the end. My question is my dry fly always disapears, do I have
to catch fish by setting the hook by site or can I just use the visual
from the indicator? All the fish I have caught are from the nymph.
Why is it called a "dropper"?
Also, how would I make my own tappered leader? I know at the end I
would use about 3 feet of 2 to 6 pound leader, could I then tie 6 feet
of 6 pound leader on? Or would I need a heavier leader? Do I need more
than 2 weights? How much is a fisherman's knot going to affect things?
Sandy
> So I use a indicator on my line (floating line of my fly reel) where
> the line meets tapper leader (4.7 pounds), dry fly at end of tapper,
> 2 to 3 feet of 4 pound leader with a split shot or two in middle, and
> then a nymph at the end. My question is my dry fly always disapears,
> do I have to catch fish by setting the hook by site or can I just use
> the visual from the indicator? All the fish I have caught are from
> the nymph.
>
If you are using a dry fly you don't need an indicator the dry fly acts as
one. Loose the split shot they are dragging the dry fly down, either that or
use a bigger/bushier dry fly. When setting the hook use both, the fish will
take the nymph without moving the indicator so if you see it take the nymph
set the hook. All your fish are on the nymph because the dry fly has sunk.
> Why is it called a "dropper"?
Becase it "drops off" the main leader.
>
> Also, how would I make my own tappered leader? I know at the end I
> would use about 3 feet of 2 to 6 pound leader, could I then tie 6 feet
> of 6 pound leader on? Or would I need a heavier leader? Do I need
> more than 2 weights? How much is a fisherman's knot going to affect
> things?
Do a search in Google groups, this has been covered a great deal in here
with a lot of good advice.
--
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Sandy
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Guyz-N-Flyz
"no" <n...@no.com> wrote in message
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Not to be rude or anything, but you really need to buy or borrow some
flyfishin' books and read a bit. You will find answers to many of your
questions in the printed medium.
Op
George Adams
Troll
George Adams
"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller
jeffc
> line meets tapper leader (4.7 pounds), dry fly at end of tapper, 2 to 3
> feet of 4 pound leader with a split shot or two in middle, and then a
Nyuk nyuk.
jeffc
"Sandy" <ne...@ftscotland.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > Why is it called a "dropper"?
>
> Becase it "drops off" the main leader.
Technically, the dry fly is the dropper, as it drops the nymph, which is the
dropee.
daytripper
I think you're correct that the dry fly is the dropper (and the nymph is the
point fly), but not for the reason you state - it's not extensible, so what
happens in a three fly rig?
In electronics, the difference between a "point to point" electrical
connection verses a "multi-drop" transmission line is the presence of
intermediate nodes. Those are the "drops".
I bet the fishing terminology is similar.
/daytripper (But I could be wrong. Maybe. ;-)
rw
>
> I think you're correct that the dry fly is the dropper (and the nymph is the
> point fly), but not for the reason you state - it's not extensible, so what
> happens in a three fly rig?
Out of curiousity I Googled the phrase "dropper fly" and read a number
of examples of how the term is used.
In every case, a fly tied onto tippet connected to the hook bend or
through the eye of another fly was called a "dropper." Flies tied onto
tippet connected above another fly (whether from "dropper loops" or from
long tag ends) were also called "droppers." Some UK sites referred to
the "point fly", which is the fly at the end of the leader, with
"droppers" extending from the leader above the point fly. In three-fly
rigs the first dropper (the one nearest the angler) was referred to as
the "bob fly."
While this usage might be illogical (from one point of view, at least),
it's close to universal, so we're stuck with it. Usage establishes
meaning. After all, we refer to people who break out of prison as
"escapees," no "escapers." :-)
Guyz-N-Flyz
"daytripper" <day_t...@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I think you're correct that the dry fly is the dropper (and the nymph is
the
> point fly), but not for the reason you state - it's not extensible, so
what
> happens in a three fly rig?
>
> In electronics, the difference between a "point to point" electrical
> connection verses a "multi-drop" transmission line is the presence of
> intermediate nodes. Those are the "drops".
>
> I bet the fishing terminology is similar.
>
> /daytripper (But I could be wrong. Maybe. ;-)
I THINK you're both WRONG! The nymph is the dropper, because it *drops*
below the dry fly. So There!
Op --and I don't give a damn what Lefty would say about it--
Guyz-N-Flyz
"rw" <royal...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> After all, we refer to people who break out of prison as
> "escapees," no "escapers." :-)
>
Wrong! The guy that plans the escape is the escaper, and all that follow
him are the escapees.
Op --committed to a lack of experience and common sense--
daytripper
So anything that is attached to a otherwise conventional rig via an auxiliary
line is a "dropper" and thus could appear at either "end" of a rig?
Yeah, that's fine with me. I can dig it...
/daytripper (pphhhhhht....phht.....phht..................<cough>..<cough> ;-)
no
georg...@aol.comnojunk (George Adams) wrote:
What in the article could possible make it a troll????!!?? OR ARE you
just a asshole?
Sandy
When I was talking about the dropper I meant the dry fly. On a three fly
cast you have a top dropper, a middle dropper and the tail fly. I have been
looking on the net for a picture and found this, it explains and shows you
how a three fly cast is constructed.
http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/ffedit0501.html
Guyz-N-Flyz
> What in the article could possible make it a troll????!!?? OR ARE you
> just a asshole?
He's referrin' to you, and "no" he ain't a asshole. It's just that you
posts sure seem suspiciously troll like, anonymous and all that ya know.
Op
rw
Isn't your real name Mark?
:-)
Guyz-N-Flyz
> Isn't your real name Mark?
>
> :-)
Dammit Stev(e), I was waitin' for him to come back on me for the anon.
thingy. Now you done gone and spoilt all the fun!
Mr. Opus McDopus to you bud
Guyz-N-Flyz
Hey fix your damn clock too!
Marcus Arelius Petunius the Kid
rw
> "rw" <royal...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3f5b971f$0$46545$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com...
>
>>Isn't your real name Mark?
>>
>>:-)
>
>
> Dammit Stev(e), I was waitin' for him to come back on me for the anon.
> thingy. Now you done gone and spoilt all the fun!
I liked your advice to Dr. No. Read some books, dude. ROFF is a great
place to ask questions and get advice, but you should make a reasonable
effort first.
BTW, I fixed my clock. :-)
Guyz-N-Flyz
> I liked your advice to Dr. No. Read some books, dude. ROFF is a great
> place to ask questions and get advice, but you should make a reasonable
> effort first.
>
> BTW, I fixed my clock. :-)
ROFF is a wonderful place, not only for flyfishin' advice, but for friends,
adversaries, humorists, trolls, politics, sewin', drinkin', etc., etc..,
etc.. However, ROFF can't compete with words on paper for easy access and
enjoyability.
I got a pocket watch that needs fixin'. Can I just e-mail it to ya?
Opie
George Adams
>What in the article could possible make it a troll????!!??
Well, let's see.....you attatch a sinker to your leader, and don't understand
why your dry fly doesn't float???? C'mon now.
>OR ARE you
>just a asshole?
Probably, but I only put weights on things I want to sink.
George Adams
"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller
cy...@tiny.net.invalid
wrote:
>>From: no n...@no.com
>
>Troll
>
No kidding. Wants to start to tie his own leaders and has little more
experience than I have? Nope. Trolling.
--
rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
the tippet. It is best to attach it at right angles to the leader. This is
accomplished by using a blood knot when you attach the tippet to the leader
and allowing the section of leader just above the tippet to protrude from
the side of the blood knot for a few inches. This reduces tangling. When
fishing two wet or dry flies attach the larger fly to the dropper. When
fishing a wet and a dry fly attach the wet fly to the dropper, but don't use
weight. It is called a dropper because it drops down from the regular
leader.
Ernie
"no" <n...@no.com> wrote in message
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Clark Reid
large fish. The tag end of a blood knot, regardless of if it is stronger
than the tippet, has no where near the holding strength of the blood knot
itself, the forces on it are not the same, and it really isn't a good knot
for tying droppers. Far better to simply clinch knot to the dryfly bend...
it is far stronger.
You can use a weighted fly if it is appropriate and doesn't offend your
sporting sensibilities. I regularly have situations where large terrestrials
are used as the dry and tungsten bead head Prince is suspended beneath.
There is nothing wrong with this technique, it may not be in line
traditional Scottish dropper rigs, but fly-fishing is a progressive sport
and tradition holds most anglers back. There is no technical reason not to
have a weighted fly in a dropper rig, other than tradition... being
adaptable, within regulation and your ethical code are all that is required,
other than that you should be free to experiment and utilize any methodology
that works for you...
I think that's the main key that separates the 10% who catch the 90%.
The main key to tangle free dry/dropper rigs is to slow your casting stroke
down a little, ensure the leader is extended fully on the backcast before
commencing the forward cast and using a more open loop than you would if
just fishing one fly, the same applies to a double nymph rig too...
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier
"Ernie" <NO_ SPAMernes...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Oldfrat
Does oatmeal really stick to your ribs?
"Clark Reid" <clar...@xtra.nospam.co.nz> wrote in message
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SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
Have you really thought about what you said? If a large fish should take
the dropper and the blood knot came untied you would still be connected to
the fish because the hook is tied to the section of leader above the tippet
section.
Ernie
"Clark Reid" <clar...@xtra.nospam.co.nz> wrote in message
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> I recommend against this technique if there is a possibility of hooking a
> large fish. The tag end of a blood knot, regardless of if it is stronger
> than the tippet, has no where near the holding strength of the blood knot
> itself, the forces on it are not the same, and it really isn't a good knot
> for tying droppers. Far better to simply clinch knot to the dryfly bend...
> it is far stronger.
<snip>
jeffc
"daytripper" <day_t...@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
the
> >dropee.
>
> I think you're correct that the dry fly is the dropper (and the nymph is
the
> point fly), but not for the reason you state - it's not extensible, so
what
> happens in a three fly rig?
2 droppers, 2 dropees, while 1 of them acts in both capacities?
Clark Reid
> Clark,
> Have you really thought about what you said? If a large fish should take
> the dropper and the blood knot came untied you would still be connected to
> the fish because the hook is tied to the section of leader above the
tippet
> section.
> Ernie
I said the knot would break, not come untied.... The tag end cannot
withstand the same forces that the other ends do...
Clark
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
Is this your opinion or have you tested it?
When I invented the Blood Knot Machine I did dozens of tests on leader
material and various knots. I never had any failure happen below the normal
breaking point of the dropper leader as you suggest would happen.
Ernie
"Clark Reid" <clar...@xtra.nospam.co.nz> wrote in message
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Warren
> Clark,
> Is this your opinion or have you tested it?
> When I invented the Blood Knot Machine I did dozens of tests on leader
> material and various knots. I never had any failure happen below the normal
> breaking point of the dropper leader as you suggest would happen.
Hey Ernie, you still making those things?
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
I still have a few left, but am running low.
Ernie
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Stephen Barnard
> Clark,
> Is this your opinion or have you tested it?
I think Ernie's got you on this one, Clark. You're going to have to
conduct a rigorous, documented, repeatable experiment to prove
otherwise. :-)
Warren
> I think Ernie's got you on this one, Clark. You're going to have to
> conduct a rigorous, documented, repeatable experiment to prove
> otherwise. :-)
You better watch out, it may improve his Kreh Number.
<g>
Clark Reid
"Ernie" wrote
> Clark,
> Is this your opinion or have you tested it?
> When I invented the Blood Knot Machine I did dozens of tests on leader
> material and various knots. I never had any failure happen below the
normal
> breaking point of the dropper leader as you suggest would happen.
> Ernie
Tested it, used it, broken by it, a simple "in the hand" test will show it
up quite obviously... in my experience..
How the hell could anyone have an "opinion" about that???
Quite simply, as tested on large trout, of all the techniques used to make
droppers, tying to the bend of the hook using a clinch (My favorite) or
improved clinch reigns supreme here for strength and ease of doing.
It is now the adopted standard here in NZ where knots are tested to the
limit so far as trout fihsing goes with droppers.. I guess steelhead or
saltwater fish would be an even better test, but I don't believe there is
much use for droppers in those styles, though I could well be wrong on that,
just guessing..
--
Clark Reid
"Stephen Barnard" wrote
> I think Ernie's got you on this one, Clark. You're going to have to
> conduct a rigorous, documented, repeatable experiment to prove
> otherwise. :-)
Nah, I've never been one to pay bugger all attention to bench tests anyway.
If six pounds of Rainbow going upstream through whitewater wont test
something, or if it gives a different result to a bench test.. well, which
one would you trust? :)
I go by what I have used on the river and use what I have found works and
discard what I have found doesn't, that's about as far as my "testing" of
anything fishing goes.
--
Clark Reid
My Kreh Number is screwed since Lefty left Sage <BEG>
--
JR
>
> "Stephen Barnard" wrote
> > You're going to have to
> > conduct a rigorous, documented, repeatable experiment to prove
> > otherwise. :-)
>
> Nah, I've never been one to pay bugger all attention to bench tests anyway.
> If six pounds of Rainbow going upstream through whitewater wont test
> something, or if it gives a different result to a bench test.. well, which
> one would you trust? :)
>
> I go by what I have used on the river and use what I have found works and
> discard what I have found doesn't, that's about as far as my "testing" of
> anything fishing goes.
One reason fishing gives rise to long-running argum... uh, debates, all
based on conflicting but very strongly held convictions. is that little
of any importance can be subjected to rigorous, documented, repeatable
experimentation. Everyone falls back on "evidence" from personal
experience, i.e., on purely anecdotal evidence. Scientific rigor would
induce rigor mortis in ROFF.
JR
Well, OK, the putz v. dipshit debate would probably survive
Warren
> Quite simply, as tested on large trout, of all the techniques used to make
> droppers, tying to the bend of the hook using a clinch (My favorite) or
> improved clinch reigns supreme here for strength and ease of doing.
> It is now the adopted standard here in NZ where knots are tested to the
> limit so far as trout fihsing goes with droppers..
Count Montana in on that one. It is bar far the most
widely used method and the best IME.
Jeff Miller
Warren wrote:
>
> ... Montana ... is bar far... the best IME.
hmm...and it is a far, far bar for some of us at that...
jeff
Warren
>
>
> Warren wrote:
>
>
> >
> > ... Montana ... is bar far... the best IME.
>
> hmm...and it is a far, far bar for some of us at that...
Nice editing, but many would agree. ;-)
Bob Weinberger
>I guess steelhead or
> saltwater fish would be an even better test, but I don't believe there is
> much use for droppers in those styles, though I could well be wrong on that,
> just guessing..
> --
> Clark Reid
> http://www.dryflynz.com
> Umpqua Designer Flytier
>
method that Ernie described. About 20% of my steelhesd take the dropper, and when I used the tie-
in-at-the-bend method, I noticed that my percentage of hook ups on the dropper went way down and I
seemed to have a higher percentage of missed takes.
Although I have had fish break the dropper at the knot, it was almost always attributable to my own
laziness - failure to re-tie after several fish and many hours of casting. After a while the dropper
tag will become significantly weaker at the point it exits the knot.
The biggest problem with the two fly set up re: breaking off is when the fly that is not in the fish
hangs a rock or log. If the point fly hangs up, the result is usually (though not always) just the
loss of the point fly and the tippet, while still having the fish. However if the dropper hangs up,
the fish and both flies are usually lost. For steelhead I'm using 8# Maxima tippet, attached to 10#
Maxima on fish that range from 4-20+ lbs. BTW, I found that using the tag off a double or triple
surgeons knot does not work at all well.
For a two nymph or dry fly w/ nymph dropper set up for trout I do use the tie-in-at-the-bend, or, if
the flies are big enough to take two leader strands through the eye, both flies tied in at the eye of
the upper fly as my standard set up. With the usual presentations for trout using this set up, I
don't seem to have any impact on the hook up percentages, and the rig is much easier to handle without
tangles.
--
Bob Weinberger - La Grande, OR
Remove "invalid" and place a dot between bobs and stuff to reply email
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
May I ask why you use the title "Umpqua Designer Flytier"? With a title
like that I would expect you to know all about Steelhead. because the Umpqua
River in Oregon is good steelhead river.
Ernie
daytripper
SPAMernes...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "Clark Reid" <clar...@xtra.nospam.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:ucA7b.143098$JA5.3...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>I guess steelhead or
>> saltwater fish would be an even better test, but I don't believe there is
>> much use for droppers in those styles, though I could well be wrong on
>that,
>> just guessing..
>> --
>> Clark Reid
>> http://www.dryflynz.com
>> Umpqua Designer Flytier
>
>
>Clark,
>May I ask why you use the title "Umpqua Designer Flytier"? With a title
>like that I would expect you to know all about Steelhead. because the Umpqua
>River in Oregon is good steelhead river.
>Ernie
He'd have to have wicked good eyesight to even *see* the Umpqua from where he
lives....
/daytripper (hint: click on his web url...)
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
"daytripper" <day_t...@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:49:36 GMT, "Ernie" <NO_
> /daytripper (hint: click on his web url...)
Hi daytripper,
For some strange reason my computer won't pick up on the URL's in the news
groups. Guess I am going to have to reload the Outlook Express program.
Ernie
Clark Reid
> Clark,
> May I ask why you use the title "Umpqua Designer Flytier"? With a title
> like that I would expect you to know all about Steelhead. because the
Umpqua
> River in Oregon is good steelhead river.
> Ernie
We could slide this thread into an immature discussion with questions like
the above, or I could retort with questions like...
With the knowledge you purport to have to have I would have thought you'd
have heard of Umpqua Feather Merchants?
Or, If you're an experienced angler why do you need a tool to tie blood
knots? or other such mindless crap....
but let's not... pardon the pun....
Clark Reid
"Bob Weinberger" wrote
I do use a double nymph rig (If you can call a bomb and egg fly a double
nymph rig... they do here... I usually don't...) here for what I call our
Landlocked steelhead, but my experience has been different. I find it
interesting and wonder if it isn't in the lighter sizes that this knot
doesn't stack up... I don't use maxima either, and certainly not as heavy as
you folks use, but then our fish are not the big Ocean going fish you
have... ours average about 5lb but can go up to over 10-12 lbs though those
fish are a rarity... I wonder if my experience is because I use 100%
fluoro-carbon....?
Interesting comment, thanks
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ernie" wrote:
>
>>Clark,
>>May I ask why you use the title "Umpqua Designer Flytier"? ...
>
> We could slide this thread into an immature discussion ...
Ernie's an OK guy and he didn't post a smartass query, he didn't
deserve a smartass response. You could have answered the friggin'
question without being such a smartass about it.
> With the knowledge you purport to have to have ...
>
>... pardon the pun....
Puns we sometimes pardon, stuttering on the other hand ... ;-)
--
Ken Fortenberry
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
Group message and searching for it with my Internet Explorer program. I
must say from looking at the Webb Site there must be no conceit in Clark's
family. :) I did find out he is the New Zealand rep for the Umpquah
feather merchants who are a pretty good bunch of guys.
Ernie
.
Clark Reid
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote
> Ernie's an OK guy and he didn't post a smartass query, he didn't
> deserve a smartass response. You could have answered the friggin'
> question without being such a smartass about it.
Don't be such a f*&^$%g hypocrite... go fishing for heaven's sake, you need
to gain some perspective...
And I doubt you have any sanction from anyone else here to be using the "we"
in your sentence and if you'd used "I" I would have responded with an
appropriate, "Like I give a shit"...
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier
Wondering if the "Liar" post of a couple of days ago could have been
anymore smartassed!
Clark Reid
"Ernie"
> Well I brought up Clark's Webb Site by copying the URL from the News
> Group message and searching for it with my Internet Explorer program. I
> must say from looking at the Webb Site there must be no conceit in Clark's
> family. :) I did find out he is the New Zealand rep for the Umpquah
> feather merchants who are a pretty good bunch of guys.
> Ernie
Stop being such a dipshit Ernie... and read a little slower. I am not a rep
for Umpqua Feather Merchants.
I would define conceit more as being trite and wanky about someone
disagreeing with you, but suit yourself. I would also advise you take your
shots at me, because taking a shot at my family will just make you an even
bigger asshole in more than my eyes.
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
I am sorry if I misrepresented your association with the Feather Merchants,
I would read your Webb site again if it weren't so much trouble for me to
access it. As for taking shots at your family let me assure you I would
never do that. Your Webb site is a bit pretentious and there is an old
saying "There must be no conceit in his family because he got it all. :) I
guess you are not old enough to know it.
Ernie
"Clark Reid" <clar...@xtra.nospam.co.nz> wrote in message
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Bob Weinberger
>
> I do use a double nymph rig (If you can call a bomb and egg fly a double
> nymph rig... they do here... I usually don't...) here for what I call our
> Landlocked steelhead, but my experience has been different. I find it
> interesting and wonder if it isn't in the lighter sizes that this knot
> doesn't stack up... I don't use maxima either, and certainly not as heavy as
> you folks use, but then our fish are not the big Ocean going fish you
> have... ours average about 5lb but can go up to over 10-12 lbs though those
> fish are a rarity... I wonder if my experience is because I use 100%
> fluoro-carbon....?
>
> Interesting comment, thanks
>
> --
> Clark Reid
> http://www.dryflynz.com
> Umpqua Designer Flytier
Clark,
The set up and methods you describe using for your lake run fish sound virtually identical to those we
often use for our winter run fish. I don't do much fishing anymore for our winter runs as I don't
enjoy them nearly as much as the summer runs. However, when I use two flies for the winter runs ( more
commonly fish for them with a single fly on a short leader with a sink tip) I rig as you described,
with the upper fly acting as a "tool" fly ( i.e. it is at least as important as a weight to get the
rig down as it is as a fish catcher). For that type of fishing I tie the tippet in at the bend and
use much lighter and more supple leaders in order to get a more natural drift. The takes with this
type of set up are usually fairly subtle, and virtually all risk of break off is during the course of
the fight.
We use fairly heavy, moderately stiff leader when swinging wets on or near the surface for summer runs
for several reasons:
1. These fish are not at all leader shy.
2. In most types of currents, a proper swing involves having the line virtually straight from the fly
to the reel ( tip pointed almost directly at the fly) with no slack.
3. The takes are very commonly highly explosive, and a very high proportion of the break-offs occur on
the take. Going lighter than 8# tippet for this type of fishing will practically guarantee a lot of
quick break-offs.
To cushion the strike, I try to keep a 10-12" loop of line in front of the reel held by my finger with
moderate pressure on the line against the cork handle. Sometimes even this isn't enough to prevent
sudden break-offs, and frankly sometimes when I see what looks like a high speed torpedo wake coming
at my fly from 10-15 feet away, no matter how many steelhead I've caught, I still don't always have
the will power to keep from over tightening my grip. Not that all , or even most, steelhead strikes
occur with you seeing the fish first that way, but it happens often enough to keep things really
exciting.
Clark Reid
do it enough to keep my knowledge up to date for the handful of trips I do
with clients every winter. My leisure time in the winter is primarily spent
following my two spaniels around after Pheasants. The Summer runs in our
rivers are not much to speak of, certainly not like you all get in the
pacific Norwest. I have a friend who has a cabin on the Deschutes and
another who has a house on the Umpqua and the summer run is something I have
an ambition to try at some stage... The techniques for summer run steelhead
are quite foreign to me, but I like the idea of nailing them buggers on a
dryfly or skater. Thanks for taking the time to explain them.
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier
"Bob Weinberger" <bobs...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Clark Reid
"Ernie" wrote
> Clark,
> I am sorry if I misrepresented your association with the Feather
Merchants,
> I would read your Webb site again if it weren't so much trouble for me to
> access it. As for taking shots at your family let me assure you I would
> never do that. Your Webb site is a bit pretentious and there is an old
> saying "There must be no conceit in his family because he got it all. :)
I
> guess you are not old enough to know it.
> Ernie
I accept your apology. I don't know why http://www.dryflynz.com is such a
problem. Just click on it... but you needn't bother, I doubt there is much
positive for you or I in your visiting it.
I am really quite intrigued by your thinking the site is pretentious... I
mean all it does is list my background in the fly-fishing field. It's all
fact, no bullshit, and quite frankly, bugger all embellishment. It is also a
commercial site, outlining my commercial activities.. would you think it
better if I were to make some statement like... "I'd love you to book a trip
through me and I'm an ok guide, I have lots of experience but I wont list it
because it might sound pretentious"?
I find pretentious to be more in line with someone making wild assumptions
about someone's standing in a fly-fishing community 8000 miles away of which
they know nothing about.
What is on the site?... that I have some high profile clients?... I do...
That I consult to Umpqua, Sage and Simms through their New Zealand
operation? I do... I don't think that's pretentious... It's just fact, no
more different than if someone listed their career achievements on a C.V. I
also don't mention much of that here much for two reasons, no one here
really gives a shit, and it isn't really applicable to my participating in
this newsgroup except that some have asked me to state it when I give an
opinion on tackle because I am associated with certain products, but for you
to visit the website and then come back here taking shots is just
ridiculous. If you look at the websites of high profile anglers in the US
you'll see more of the same... You see it as pretentious, I see it as being
proud of what i have achieved in this field and also as marketing. I guess
it's different if you're from somewhere that someone knows nothing about...
but ignorance has never made anybody correct!
I think the best solution to this Ernie is for you to refrain from posting
to me and I'll do you the same courtesy because frankly I can't really be
bothered with your BS right now.
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
> I think the best solution to this Ernie is for you to refrain from posting
> to me and I'll do you the same courtesy because frankly I can't really be
> bothered with your BS right now.
You got one thing right!.
It's a deal
Ernie
Jeff Miller
Clark Reid wrote:
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote
>
>>Ernie's an OK guy and he didn't post a smartass query, he didn't
>>deserve a smartass response. You could have answered the friggin'
>>question without being such a smartass about it.
>
>
> Don't be such a f*&^$%g hypocrite... go fishing for heaven's sake, you need
> to gain some perspective...
>
> And I doubt you have any sanction from anyone else here to be using the "we"
> in your sentence and if you'd used "I" I would have responded with an
> appropriate, "Like I give a shit"...
>
>
well...if the "we" requires at least two, consider me as an "anyone else
here", thus giving ken sanction to use the term. in this particular
instance, i agree with ken...and ernie. but, who gives a shit. btw,
johhny cash died early this morning.
jeff
Charlie Choc
wrote:
> btw,
>johhny cash died early this morning.
>
One of my favorites:
"I find it very, very easy to be true,
I find myself alone when each day is through,
Yes, I'll admit that I'm a fool for you,
Because you're mine, I walk the line."
--
Charlie...
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote
>
>>Ernie's an OK guy and he didn't post a smartass query, ...
>
> Don't be such a f*&^$%g hypocrite... go fishing for heaven's sake, you need
> to gain some perspective...
You want perspective ? Here's my perspective, it's one thing to twit
the clueless newbies and the usual dipshits but it's another to go
off all smartass on Ernie who merely asked a legit question.
> And I doubt you have any sanction from anyone else here to be using the "we"
> in your sentence ...
That's the royal "we", now kiss my royal arse.
--
Ken Fortenberry
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
"Charlie Choc" <hugh_ja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi Charlie and Jeff,
It is really sad to see the great one's go, I will miss him also.
Ernie
Clark Reid
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote > That's the royal "we", now kiss my royal arse.
FUF
Clark Reid
"Jeff Miller" wrote > well...if the "we" requires at least two, consider me
as an "anyone else
> here", thus giving ken sanction to use the term. in this particular
> instance, i agree with ken...and ernie. >
I don't give a shit!
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote > That's the royal "we", now kiss my royal arse.
>
>
> FUF
In your dreams, Kiwi boy.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Wolfgang
>
> "Jeff Miller" wrote > well...if the "we" requires at least two, consider
me
> as an "anyone else
> > here", thus giving ken sanction to use the term. in this particular
> > instance, i agree with ken...and ernie. >
>
> I don't give a shit!
Uh huh.
Wolfgang
wondering why it is that those whose self image is wholly dependent on the
perceptions of others must ALWAYS declare their contempt for those
perceptions. :)
W. D. Grey
<N...@SPAMernest.harrison.invalid> writes
>Hi Warren,
>I still have a few left, but am running low.
>Ernie
I'm so proud of mine I put it on display - I'm afraid to use it :-)
That's the knot tying machine I'm talking about !
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk
SPAMernest.harrison@sbcglobal.net Ernie
Ernie
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