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ooglyboogly

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:27:01 PM11/9/09
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I made a few posts about 15 years ago in this group, and am no longer
the hot-headed youngster I used to be. At that time, who knew that
Google would take over the world and learn everything knowable about
everyone?

How may I, or whom may I contact, to remove those posts?

Thank you!

Frank Reid © 2008

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:50:54 PM11/9/09
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Google bought the rights lock, stock and barrel. You're political
career is toast.
Frank Reid
(then again, so is my guiding career)

ooglyboogly

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:19:09 PM11/9/09
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Ug. No wonder folks can't get a job any more, with employers
searching the Internet.

I guess that means that all the future politicians will be only those
who don't know how to use the Internet. Wonderful!

Frank, thanks for your help.

Frank Reid © 2008

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Nov 9, 2009, 3:16:37 PM11/9/09
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Just don't tell them about the ooglyboogly stuff. And if they find
your stuff, tell them you thought fly fishing was a girly sport, you
go in for noodling sharks.
Frank Reid

DaveS

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Nov 9, 2009, 3:59:35 PM11/9/09
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I use Google groups, and I can remove my own original posts by
clicking "more options" in the upper right of the message you wish to
remove, and then clicking "remove" and confirming.

Dave

The Central Screwtinizer

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:48:52 PM11/9/09
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There was no Google Groups fifteen years ago, so ooglyboogly is SOL on
deleting those old posts via a simple browser page. At best, he would have to
find the message ids for every post he wants killed and send them to Google to
request their deletion.

But, if his posts were ever quoted by anybody, even if oogly could get his own
posts deleted, all of these quotes will always be out there, indexed by search
widgets, including the username. And hits on his quotes will be available for
perusal, forever.

rdean3...@bellsouth.net

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:16:45 PM11/9/09
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The Central Screwtinizer, huh? Is that anything like a, um, frank zapper?

Anyhoo, you're not understanding what (the other) Dave means by "Google groups"
- he translates it as "turnips"...in Armenian...and he knows what he is talking
about - he thinks he heard it on BBC America...or the Boston Herald...

HTH,
R

rdean3...@bellsouth.net

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Nov 9, 2009, 6:27:25 PM11/9/09
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You might can, but why bother? Are you sure you want to work for a company that
gets all worked up about what a potential employee posted to ROFF 15 years ago,
assuming you weren't advocating kiddie porn or something similar...in which
case, you deserve what you get (or don't, as the case may be). I mean, even
then, ROFF was, um, well, it's own kinda place, even as USENET generally went.
IAC, I looked at some of the readily-found of your posts back then, and a couple
of environmental teases to a troll don't seem like job-stoppers.

HTH,
R

Giles

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:00:03 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 12:27 pm, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Um.....you mean contact someone you can trust? Good luck with that.

> Thank you!

You're welcome.

Meanwhile, there are other options available to you:

1. You could grow up fifteen years ago. Not as easy as it sounds, I
suspect, but worth the trouble if the reports I've heard and read are
to be given any credence at all..

2. You could grow up now.....own your actions. Justify them or face
what you are. Doesn't sound all that pleasant, ainna?

3. You could kill all potential employers, spouses, life-mates,
friends, career politicians, law enforcement officials, journalists,
siblings and/or anyone else who could, should, might or has come into
contact with you and/or anyone or anything that might be interesting
or interested in your tendentious past.

4. You could stop sending up signal flares by continuing to post
damning drivel in Usenet groups.

There's more.

Would you like more?

g.

Giles

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:00:21 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 5:16 pm, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:48:52 -0500, The Central Screwtinizer
>
>
>
>
>
> <thecentralscrewtini...@control.gov> wrote:

Moron.

Giles

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:00:45 PM11/9/09
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Imbecile.

Cracker.

g.

ooglyboogly

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Nov 10, 2009, 12:40:11 PM11/10/09
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Well, with the exception of the childish comments of one person, thank
you all for you help.

The material I wrote had some political leanings to it, some of which
I no longer believe in anyway. That's all it was. While I know that
it's really not a big deal, it could make the difference when a PR
person, looking over hundreds of job applications in this poor
economy, happens to be a Republican or a Democrat.

Anyway, I think I have my answer. Be well.

DaveS

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Nov 10, 2009, 12:54:52 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 9, 3:27 pm, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:

What he said.
Dave

Giles

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:54:27 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 11:40 am, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, with the exception of the childish comments of one person, thank
> you all for you help.

Ah, the diminutive member ain't so much childish as a brain damaged
cracker. You get used to it after a while.

> The material I wrote had some political leanings to it, some of which
> I no longer believe in anyway.

There ain't nuthin' like a rock solid repertoir of core beliefs, huh?

> That's all it was.  While I know that
> it's really not a big deal, it could make the difference when a PR
> person, looking over hundreds of job applications in this poor
> economy, happens to be a Republican or a Democrat.

Yep, very wise these days to be a chameleon or an octopus.

> Anyway, I think I have my answer.

You do.....but you'll never recognize it. And if you did, you
wouldn't acknowledge it.

> Be well.

We'll try.

g.

Mark Bowen

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Nov 10, 2009, 8:07:40 PM11/10/09
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Sadly, it appears as though you have not grown/learned as much as you might
have imagined for yourself.

The comments, made by the individual you refer to as having made "childish"
comments, were actually food for thought for you, but you failed to arrive
on time for dinner.

Better that you simply ignore what you either didn't understand or chose not
to accept as reality.

Anyway, by the time you expire, you will wish to be able to take back many
more words than you have written thus far in your life--assuming you live a
long and fruitful life, that is.

2 cents and all that.

Op


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ooglyboogly

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Nov 10, 2009, 9:36:28 PM11/10/09
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Giles, your wit and honesty are a light shining in the darkness,
driving away the accursed shadows clouding the minds of troglodytes
such as me. Maybe some day, just maybe, your light will shine on me,
like the light of Jesus himself. Giving me a moralistic, pedantic,
sarcastic tirade, involving things like time travel and murder, was
exactly what I needed, rather than an answer to the simple question
you ignored. What insight! What brilliance! Thank you for going out
of your way to answer the question I REALLY wanted an answer to, and
not the one I asked. Most people wouldn't have taken the time to do
that. Some might call it stupid, but those folks, they just don't
understand.

And sitting at the right hand of Giles' throne, Mark, thank you for
showing me that what I really wanted wasn't just an answer to my
question, but a fiery sermon from on high, from Giles, THE Giles, so
that I may cure my wicked ways. If not for your 2 cents, again
unrelated to my original question, GIles' sage words may have fallen
on deaf ears. Now, I will take them to heart. Where is my time
machine? I know I put it somewhere...

Please prophets, keep speaking your wisdom! I will go unto the lands
to find others, that they may hear the word, the TRUE word! Maybe
they too can ask simple questions, and then they too can get berated
by the chosen ones on quasi-related topics, which will maybe bring
some of them back from the dark side.

Keep up the good work, gentlemen. Spread the good news. Your efforts
are making a difference in all our hearts and minds.

Giles

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Nov 10, 2009, 10:21:03 PM11/10/09
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Some day you're going to ask someone how to make those words
disappear.

Guess what's going to happen. :)

giles
stevie?......is that you?

Fred

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:17:48 AM11/11/09
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On 10-Nov-2009, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The material I wrote had some political leanings to it, some of which
> I no longer believe in anyway. That's all it was. While I know that
> it's really not a big deal, it could make the difference when a PR
> person, looking over hundreds of job applications in this poor
> economy, happens to be a Republican or a Democrat.
>
> Anyway, I think I have my answer. Be well.

I wouldn't vorte for this jerk anyway
I wish him little in his political or quasi political career? who cares?
He will probably live as a drone in a droll life and he will be deserving
of it

His job search ??? .I have 4 stalls that need to be mucked

Good riddance to a flamng guilty libber or some other asinine leaning
and yes

Obama has no power #1 and no clue of his powerlessness (and our own) He is
Just another suit
I will vote for my border collie again perhaops our poodle

ByE--- oogley never to see ya later

Jack Webb

Mark Bowen

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:13:16 AM11/11/09
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"ooglyboogly" <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wolfgang! I think Trog likes us! He really, likes us!

What a tribute this post is. I will print and frame it, promptly.

Awed.

Op


DaveS

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Nov 11, 2009, 12:14:29 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 10, 6:36 pm, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't let em get to you. It's probably just some end of season funk or
whatever. It was a valid question. Hope you can cut down on the stuff
you are worried about if for no other reason than to lessen the worry.

Dave

David LaCourse

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Nov 11, 2009, 12:34:34 PM11/11/09
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No, it is not end of season funk. It is a fact that Wolfgag and the
dimwit redneck are some of the most hateful folks I've ever had the
misfortune of meeting. One stinks and the other is a drunk. Nuff said.

Davey


Giles

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Nov 11, 2009, 9:47:05 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 11, 11:14 am, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 6:36 pm, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't let em get to you. It's probably just some end of season funk or
> whatever.

Yeah, probably.

> It was a valid question.

Actually, it was a stupid question, as was formerly and subsequently
demonstrated, from someone with an untreated impulse control
disorder. Trust me.....I see a lot of this.

> Hope you can cut down on the stuff
> you are worried about if for no other reason than to lessen the worry.

Well, if it could be taught to keep its fingers away from keyboards
and its head in a plastic bag........

> Dave

g.

Giles

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Nov 11, 2009, 9:48:46 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 11, 11:34 am, David LaCourse <dplacou...@aol.com> wrote:

Pig.

Idiot.

g.

Giles

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Nov 11, 2009, 9:56:40 PM11/11/09
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wow.

Just when you thought you'd never ever see it in ROFF, the voice of
reason, moderation, tolerance and exquisite diction makes itself heard
at last!

g.
whose turn is it to remind freddie that his continued existence ain't
exactly a blessing to the world......or to himself?

mr.rapidan

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Nov 11, 2009, 10:29:17 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 9, 1:27 pm, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How may I, or whom may I contact, to remove those posts?

Look, you've probably figured out by now that removing old posts isn't
the easiest thing in the world but, if you're determined, it can be
done.

Things You'll Need:

* Bricks
* Concrete Blocks
* Measuring Tapes
* Heavy Piece Of Lumber
* Ropes
* Common Nails
* Hammers
* Shovels

Step 1
Remove the dirt from around the post.

Step 2
Measure up about a foot from ground level and drive a nail
halfway into each face of the post.

Step 3
Put a stack of bricks or concrete blocks at the edge of the area
you dug out.

Step 4
Lay a heavy piece of lumber across the bricks - this will act as
a lever to pull the post up out of the ground.

Step 5
Wrap a strong rope around the post under the nails (the nails
will hold the rope in place).

Step 6
Tie the ends of the rope to the lever. Press down on the other
end of the lever. You, and maybe another person, might have to stand
on it.

Mark Bowen

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Nov 11, 2009, 10:45:50 PM11/11/09
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"mr.rapidan" <jmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Things You'll Need:

POTM!

Op


Mark Bowen

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Nov 12, 2009, 5:57:07 AM11/12/09
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Damn, I would have imagined that you were planning the funerals of your
great-great-grand children, who will likely die in some far off war, because
you told them it was their duty to die, in vain, for something that you so
vehemently celebrate.

Carry on your davidness, but do try remember, where this all began, this
time. I know that it is difficult for someone with barely a wit of formal
education--however, if you copy and paste this thread to a Word document and
then print that document out and tape it to your so-called trophy wife's
refrigerator, you might have a chance of remembering what an idiot you have
been for so many years.

Merely a suggestion, mind ya.

You could just go back to sucking the thumb you keep shoved up your ass.

Op


rdean3...@bellsouth.net

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Nov 12, 2009, 6:31:45 AM11/12/09
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Um...suppose the old posts are metal...?

Just askin',
R

David LaCourse

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Nov 12, 2009, 7:11:52 AM11/12/09
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On 2009-11-12 05:57:07 -0500, "Mark Bowen" <beau...@charter.net> said:

>
> On Nov 11, 11:34 am, David LaCourse <dplacou...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-11 12:14:29 -0500, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> said:
>>
>>> On Nov 10, 6:36 pm, ooglyboogly <jcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't let em get to you. It's probably just some end of season funk or
>>> whatever. It was a valid question. Hope you can cut down on the stuff
>>> you are worried about if for no other reason than to lessen the worry.
>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> No, it is not end of season funk. It is a fact that Wolfgag and the
>> dimwit redneck are some of the most hateful folks I've ever had the
>> misfortune of meeting. One stinks and the other is a drunk. Nuff said.
>>
>> Davey
>
> Damn, I would have imagined that you were planning the funerals of your
> great-great-grand children, who will likely die in some far off war, because
> you told them it was their duty to die, in vain, for something that you so
> vehemently celebrate.

See what I mean about hate? Bringing my off-spring into a petty
argument? Shame on you, Bowen. Shame on you.

I do not celebrate war. No one that has been in the military, whether
as a career or a two year shot, celebrates war. I say and know that
war is inevitable because of assholes like you. Not one day in my
life, not one day in 72 years, has there been peace on this earth. Man
is the only species, besides the ant, that wages war on its own
species. Think about that, Bowen. And give me a day, any day, where
you have not seen war, man killing man, in YOUR life time. Must be
different down there in the mountains with those Mouseketeers.

>
> Carry on your davidness, but do try remember, where this all began, this
> time. I know that it is difficult for someone with barely a wit of formal
> education--

Ah, THAT's what it's all about. Education. I'm 72, Bowen, with more
of an education than you. When you are 72, I doubt you will be as
successful as I have been, or as comfortable as I am now. Good luck on
being the most educated janitor in the Old North State. Youre what -
55ish? You should be approaching at least your first million. If you
aren't, then all that "formal edumacation" ain't doing you shit. You
do not need a college piece of paper to be successful, Bowen.

> however, if you copy and paste this thread to a Word document and
> then print that document out and tape it to your so-called trophy wife's
> refrigerator,

Edumacation AND my wife. LOL. You be a funny guy, Bowen. I just told
the ever lovely Jo that she's a "trophy wife". She doesn't agree with
you, but then again, who does?

> you might have a chance of remembering what an idiot you have
> been for so many years.
>
> Merely a suggestion, mind ya.
>
> You could just go back to sucking the thumb you keep shoved up your ass.

And you can continue to be Wolfgang's butt boy. Would ya hug him and
swap spit with him when next you meet.

Fool.

Davey
(Mark my word, Bowen: You have no off spring. No one to guide. No
one to love. No one to protect. No one to help. No one to seek help
from. No one to cry with. No one to laugh with. No one to celebrate
life with. No one to grieve when you die. And you will die, Bowen,
long after your mother does, and you will be alone. Sad, really.)

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 8:15:00 AM11/12/09
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Then we'll be utterly captivated (as always) by your offerings on Ms.
Pelosi's responsibility for the fact that the method didn't quite work
for you.

> Just askin',

And you got an answer. See how it works?

> R

Moron.

g.

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 8:29:34 AM11/12/09
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On Nov 12, 6:11 am, David LaCourse <dplacou...@aol.com> wrote:
> long after your mother does, and you will be alone.  Sad, really.)-

Same old mantra, same old body count.

Connection?........nah.

g.

rw

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Nov 12, 2009, 9:47:28 AM11/12/09
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It seems to me that a simple lever won't give much mechanical advantage.

I've used a jack to remove posts. A heavy duty jack works best, but in a
pinch any car jack should work.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rdean3...@bellsouth.net

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:04:50 AM11/12/09
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Maybe he could load up a fly rod....

Uh-oh,
R

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:42:28 AM11/12/09
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The mechanical advantage of a simple lever (a first class lever, based
on the description in this instance) is purely a function of the
relative lengths of the beam on either side of the fulcrum. Thus,
using a six foot bar with the fulcrum an inch from the post would
yield a mechanical advantage of 71:1. A downward force of 50 pounds
applied to the long end of the lever would translate to an upward
force of 3550 pounds of upward force at the short end. You should
have learned this in about the third grade. So, I guess it all
depends on what you call "much."

> I've used a jack to remove posts. A heavy duty jack works best, but in a
> pinch any car jack should work.

Mechanical jacks generally work on the principle of a simple lever.

g.

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:42:52 AM11/12/09
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On Nov 12, 9:04 am, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Moron.

g.

rw

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Nov 12, 2009, 12:29:46 PM11/12/09
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I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150. It's
163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.
You'd need a lever of about 13' to match it. Good luck finding one with
enough bending strength to handle a stubborn post.

>>I've used a jack to remove posts. A heavy duty jack works best, but in a
>>pinch any car jack should work.
>
>
> Mechanical jacks generally work on the principle of a simple lever.

Some do, but not screw jacks, such as the one from my F150. Like all
"screws," they operate on the principle of the inclined plane.

By the way, another very big advantage of a jack over a simple lever for
removing posts, and maybe even more important than mechanical advantage,
is holding power. Lever-type jacks will have ratchets. Screw jacks don't
need them.

Try removing a 6" diameter post buried 4' deep with a simple lever, and
then try it with a decent jack, and then get back to me.

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 2:09:01 PM11/12/09
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On Nov 12, 11:29 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Giles wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 8:47 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>It seems to me that a simple lever won't give much mechanical advantage.
>
> > The mechanical advantage of a simple lever (a first class lever, based
> > on the description in this instance) is purely a function of the
> > relative lengths of the beam on either side of the fulcrum.  Thus,
> > using a six foot bar with the fulcrum an inch from the post would
> > yield a mechanical advantage of 71:1.  A downward force of 50 pounds
> > applied to the long end of the lever would translate to an upward
> > force of 3550 pounds of upward force at the short end.  You should
> > have learned this in about the third grade.  So, I guess it all
> > depends on what you call "much."
>
> I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150. It's
> 163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.

Hm.....it might be interesting to see the math on that. And what is
the mechanical principle upon which that jack depends? Incidentally,
my lever isn't hypothetical. I have a six foot long steel bar that
has been put to use as a lever many times. I generally find something
or other in situ to use as a fulcrum.

> You'd need a lever of about 13' to match it.

I expressed an interest in finding something to match your
hypothetical jack and no one told me? tsk tsk.

> Good luck finding one with
> enough bending strength to handle a stubborn post.

Depends on the size and stubbornnes of the post. I've removed many
with significantly less than 13' levers.

> >>I've used a jack to remove posts. A heavy duty jack works best, but in a
> >>pinch any car jack should work.
>
> > Mechanical jacks generally work on the principle of a simple lever.
>
> Some do, but not screw jacks, such as the one from my F150. Like all
> "screws," they operate on the principle of the inclined plane.

And what propels the screw?

> By the way, another very big advantage of a jack over a simple lever for
> removing posts, and maybe even more important than mechanical advantage,
> is holding power.

No shit?

> Lever-type jacks will have ratchets.

Not all of them. Some are hydraulic. If we ever get through this
tedious lesson, leaving you with a rudimentary understanding of simple
levers, we may move on to that.

> Screw jacks don't need them.

No shit?

> Try removing a 6" diameter post buried 4' deep with a simple lever, and
> then try it with a decent jack, and then get back to me.

Done it both ways.....and other ways as well. My personal preference
is a nice hydraulic back hoe or something similar. Your going to have
a hard time making me believe you've ever done it by whatever
method.......a natural result of your obvious failure to understand
something as simple as a lever.......while describing its hypothetical
use.

g.

Frank Reid © 2008

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Nov 12, 2009, 2:34:19 PM11/12/09
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How 'bout financial advantage. If you loaned the makers of Paranormal
Activity 10,000 of the 15,000 required to make the movie, you could
hire 23 Cuban midgets to pick up your F150 then use it to pound the
post all the way into the ground.
Money spent on making movie = $15,000
Gross box office receipts = $97 million
Look on the face of the guy that turned your movie investment deal
down = Priceless

Frank Reid

rw

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Nov 12, 2009, 2:45:52 PM11/12/09
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Giles wrote:
> On Nov 12, 11:29 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150. It's
>>163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.
>
>
> Hm.....it might be interesting to see the math on that.

I'm glad you asked that question, because in answering it I realized
that my math was wrong. The mechanical advantage of my F150 screw jack
is actually twice what I calculated, or 326:1. (You'd need a lever 27'
feet long to match it.)

Determining the mechanical advantage of a screw jack depends on two
measurements: the pitch of the screw helix and the radius of the crank.

In this case:

pitch: P = 1 mm

crank radius: R = 26 mm

The circumference of the circle (of diameter D) subsumed by the crank is:

C = 2*pi*D = 2*pi*(2*R) = 326 mm

The mechanical advantage is:

A = C/P = 326

My careless mistake was using the radius for the diameter.

> I generally find something
> or other in situ to use as a fulcrum.

Something 27' long?

>
> Done it both ways.....and other ways as well. My personal preference
> is a nice hydraulic back hoe or something similar. Your going to have
> a hard time making me believe you've ever done it by whatever
> method.......a natural result of your obvious failure to understand
> something as simple as a lever.......while describing its hypothetical
> use.

Well, if you have a backhoe this whole discussion is irrelevant.

A hydraulic jack would be a good choice. I used them to raise my cabin
when I replaced the foundation two years ago. I could probably dig up
some photos.

David LaCourse

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Nov 12, 2009, 2:50:36 PM11/12/09
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On 2009-11-12 09:47:28 -0500, rw <rw56_to_...@earthlink.net> said:
>>
>
> It seems to me that a simple lever won't give much mechanical advantage.
>
> I've used a jack to remove posts. A heavy duty jack works best, but in
> a pinch any car jack should work.

Doctor, Doctor! We have a winner in the orchestra!

Anyone who can remember highschool physics would know that, Steve.
Long, long time ago, eh?

Joanne once moved a 400 pound rock about 45 feet in a very short time
using a 6 foot pry bar. She weighed about 120 lbs.

Dave


rw

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David LaCourse wrote:
>
> Joanne once moved a 400 pound rock about 45 feet in a very short time
> using a 6 foot pry bar. She weighed about 120 lbs.

Downhill? :-)

Wayne Harrison

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"David LaCourse" <dplac...@aol.com> wrote > Joanne once moved a 400 pound
rock about 45 feet in a very short time
> using a 6 foot pry bar. She weighed about 120 lbs.

well, she sure as hell has had plenty of practice with regard to that
sort of activity, having lived with you for a duration of years...

yfitons
wayno(the thought of *literally* kicking your ass is challenging, indeed...)


Giles

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On Nov 12, 1:45 pm, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Giles wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 11:29 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150. It's
> >>163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.
>
> > Hm.....it might be interesting to see the math on that.  
>
> I'm glad you asked that question,

That wasn't a question. It was a factual statement. The differences
are interesting, but that's yet another lesson for another
time......once we've completed the one in progress and the next one,
already promised. For now, suffice it to say that the fundamental
difference is most often easy to recognize in print by the presence of
a question mark "?" at the end of the former and lacking in the
latter.

> because in answering it I realized
> that my math was wrong.

You haven't answered anything yet.....but I'm willing to accept that
your math was wrong, given how this lesson has progressed thus far.

> The mechanical advantage of my F150 screw jack
> is actually twice what I calculated, or 326:1. (You'd need a lever 27'
> feet long to match it.)

well. gosh.

> Determining the mechanical advantage of a screw jack depends on two
> measurements: the pitch of the screw helix and the radius of the crank.

And the crank operates on what fundamental mechanical principle?

> In this case:
>
> pitch: P = 1 mm
>
> crank radius: R = 26 mm
>
> The circumference of the circle (of diameter D) subsumed by the crank is:
>
> C = 2*pi*D = 2*pi*(2*R) = 326 mm
>
> The mechanical advantage is:
>
> A = C/P = 326
>
> My careless mistake was using the radius for the diameter.

Your serious mistake was, and remains, something much more
fundamental.

>  > I generally find something
>
> > or other in situ to use as a fulcrum.
>
> Something 27' long?

I can't honestly say that I remember ever actually measuring the
length of a fulcrum I've used with a lever. It never seemed relevant
or necessary. That said, I'm quite certain that while working in the
woods I've used some that long and even much longer. Why does it
matter?

> > Done it both ways.....and other ways as well.  My personal preference
> > is a nice hydraulic back hoe or something similar.  Your going to have
> > a hard time making me believe you've ever done it by whatever
> > method.......a natural result of your obvious failure to understand
> > something as simple as a lever.......while describing its hypothetical
> > use.
>
> Well, if you have a backhoe this whole discussion is irrelevant.

With or without heavy equipment, one half of it is irrelevant. Has it
ever occurred to you to wonder why it is that everything you touch
turns to shit?

> A hydraulic jack would be a good choice. I used them to raise my cabin
> when I replaced the foundation two years ago.

And what fundamental mechanical devices does that jack depend on?

> I could probably dig up some photos.

And if you use a shovel to so, what fundamental mechanical device is
the shovel an excellent example of?

g.

Fred

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On 12-Nov-2009, "Wayne Harrison" <wa...@triad.rr.com> wrote:

> oanne once moved a 400 pound
> rock about 45 feet in a very short time
> > using a 6 foot pry bar. She weighed about 120 lbs.
>
> well, she sure as hell has had plenty of practice with regard to that
> sort of activity, having lived with you for a duration of years...

I did not post that
My thoughts wewre similar but remember I did not say it
I do not want to interfere in a flame war
so carry on please....

Fred

Fred

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 3:38:58 PM11/12/09
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On Nov 12, 1:50 pm, David LaCourse <dplacou...@aol.com> wrote:

Good god, you are an idiot.

g.
a 6 foot pry bar, huh? :)

Giles

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Nov 12, 2009, 3:40:37 PM11/12/09
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Imbecile.

> Fred

Moron.

g.

Wayne Harrison

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"Fred" <fle...@highaltitudes.net> wrote in message
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that old pirate would have thought i had died from cirrohsis (sp?) of the
liver if i missed a shot as easy as that one, fred.

wayno
>
> Fred


David LaCourse

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Nov 12, 2009, 3:44:09 PM11/12/09
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On 2009-11-12 14:56:48 -0500, rw <rw56_to_...@earthlink.net> said:

> David LaCourse wrote:
>>
>> Joanne once moved a 400 pound rock about 45 feet in a very short time
>> using a 6 foot pry bar. She weighed about 120 lbs.
>
> Downhill? :-)

d;o) No. Across the back yard. I had gone fishing and when I came
home there was a big hole and he rock was on the other side of the back
yard.


DaveS

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On Nov 12, 12:11 pm, Giles <g_goat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> And if you use a shovel to so, what fundamental mechanical device is
> the shovel an excellent example of?
>
> g.

A horse?

Dave

David LaCourse

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Nov 12, 2009, 3:50:18 PM11/12/09
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Oh, it has been kicked a number of times, counselor. But, no one on
roff is capable of it. d;o) Next time we meet I will show you the
scars. d;o)

Hey, you and your SO will have to visit us this winter in Georgia.
I've got some fishing spots lines up - mostly public waters, but one
private water that is supposed to be pretty nice. I always have lots
of the clear stuff.

Dave


Wayne Harrison

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"David LaCourse" <dplac...@aol.com> wrote in message
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i could dig it, louie. when do you expect to be in jawja?

yfitons
wayno
>
>
>
>


David LaCourse

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Nov 12, 2009, 5:20:19 PM11/12/09
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We close on Jan 11, and will move in on that date, I suspect. Looking
forward to it. Grandson #2 is going to live here -free except for
utilities. (He's already moved into the Peter Charles Suite.) We will
come back to Taxachusetts sometime in May, and return to Georgia in
September.

Dave


rw

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Nov 12, 2009, 6:59:31 PM11/12/09
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Giles wrote:
> On Nov 12, 1:45 pm, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Giles wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 12, 11:29 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150. It's
>>>>163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.
>>
>>>Hm.....it might be interesting to see the math on that.
>>
>>I'm glad you asked that question,
>
>
> That wasn't a question. It was a factual statement.

Apparently, in hindsight, you didn't REALLY want to see the math on that.

rw

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Nov 12, 2009, 7:10:35 PM11/12/09
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rw wrote:
> Giles wrote:
>
>> On Nov 12, 1:45 pm, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Giles wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 11:29 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> 163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hm.....it might be interesting to see the math on that.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm glad you asked that question,
>>
>>
>>
>> That wasn't a question. It was a factual statement.
>
>
> Apparently, in hindsight, you didn't REALLY want to see the math on that.
>

And BTW, your math on the hypothetical 6' lever with a fulcrum 1" from
the load was incorrect. The mechanical advantage is:

MA = length of effort arm � length of resistance arm

Length of effort arm = 72"-1" = 71"

Length of resistance arm = 1"

MA = 71:1, not 72:1 as you stated.

In the future, when removing old posts, you should use a 6'1" lever, or
much better, a jack, or even better, a backhoe.

Giles

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On Nov 12, 5:59 pm, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Giles wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 1:45 pm, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>Giles wrote:
>
> >>>On Nov 12, 11:29 am, rw <rw56_to_the_ch...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>I just calculated the mechanical advantage of the jack for my F150. It's
> >>>>163:1 +/- 10% -- more than twice as much as your hypothetical lever.
>
> >>>Hm.....it might be interesting to see the math on that.  
>
> >>I'm glad you asked that question,
>
> > That wasn't a question.  It was a factual statement.  
>
> Apparently, in hindsight, you didn't REALLY want to see the math on that.

If you look closely at the statement you quoted above (or even if you
don't, as is evidently the case), it says, "...it might be interesting
to see the math on that." It turns out that it wasn't. This came as
no surprise to me.....or to you. The simple truth is that you figured
out that you had stepped on your dick.....AGAIN!.....just as soon as I
pointed it out to you. You also realized that no amount of cavilling
bullshit was going to rectify the situation but,like so many others
here, you just couldn't give up without trying to cover your stupid
ass with a mess of even stupider shit in the hope that the usual cast
of cretins wouldn't be able to figure it out. And you were certainly
right about that. But that doesn't make you any less pathetic does
it?

g.

Giles

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Nov 13, 2009, 12:24:44 AM11/13/09
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No. A horse is not a simple mechanical device. It has four
legs.....and is not particularly concerned about its ancestry.

g.

DaveS

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Nov 13, 2009, 1:51:37 AM11/13/09
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So? Try riding a shovel. Not so easy is it?
Dave

rdean3...@bellsouth.net

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Nov 13, 2009, 7:14:01 AM11/13/09
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:01:25 -0500, "Wayne Harrison" <wa...@triad.rr.com> wrote:

>
>"David LaCourse" <dplac...@aol.com> wrote > Joanne once moved a 400 pound
>rock about 45 feet in a very short time
>> using a 6 foot pry bar. She weighed about 120 lbs.
>
> well, she sure as hell has had plenty of practice with regard to that
>sort of activity, having lived with you for a duration of years...

Um, are you suggesting Louie is the 400 pound rock or the 6 foot tool...? I
mean, if Joanne had moved 400 pounds of wet oatmeal in a rubber sack off the end
of a dock, your meaning would have been clear, but...


>
>yfitons
>wayno(the thought of *literally* kicking your ass is challenging, indeed...

Aw, now - there's just more of him to luv...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it probably doesn't help,
R
>

Wayne Harrison

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Nov 13, 2009, 10:48:43 AM11/13/09
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"
>> i could dig it, louie. when do you expect to be in jawja?
>>
>> yfitons
>> wayno
>
> We close on Jan 11, and will move in on that date, I suspect. Looking
> forward to it. Grandson #2 is going to live here -free except for
> utilities. (He's already moved into the Peter Charles Suite.) We will
> come back to Taxachusetts sometime in May, and return to Georgia in
> September.
>
> Dave
>
> hell, man, the georgia mtns in january will rival anything you would
> experience in massachussetts at the same time of the year. the creeks
> will be damn near frozen.
i might give you a holler in march or april.

yfitons
wayno
>
>


rw

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Nov 13, 2009, 1:00:21 PM11/13/09
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Just wondering: Do you see something wrong or fishy or plainly absurd in
my measurements or math?

This is a test, but I don't expect anything but a vitriolic spitball in
reply.

And BTW, why are you so interested in my dick?

David LaCourse

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Nov 13, 2009, 3:08:41 PM11/13/09
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March or April? You're a candy-ass, counselor. You could come down
just to eat, drink, and swap lies.

d;o)


Giles

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Nov 13, 2009, 3:42:29 PM11/13/09
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Done it. Many times.

> Not so easy is it?

Fresh, deep powder.....no, not so easy. Any other time.....piece of
cake.

g.

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