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Which hard lures should a beginner have in his box ?

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Tim

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Apr 9, 2001, 7:37:04 AM4/9/01
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Hi

I have posted a few times to ROFB and thoroughly enjoyed it - I hope you
guys dont mind another of these questions.

I would like to know your *personal* opinion on what 10 hard lures a
*beginner* should have in his tackle box.

I am a beginner and have the following :

Dying Flutter
Tiny Torpedo
Shad Rap
Fat Rap
Crazy Crawler
Rapala Minnow
Broken Back
Rebel Pop R (Small)
Hula Popper
Zara Puppy
Zara Spook


thanks
Tim
South Africa


Richard

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Apr 9, 2001, 8:12:58 AM4/9/01
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:37:04 +0200, "Tim" <na...@vodacom.co.za> wrote:

>I would like to know your *personal* opinion on what 10 hard lures a
>*beginner* should have in his tackle box.

It depends on what waters you fish, deep, shallow, rocky,weedy, all
the above....<grin>

I like having Rapala floaters to float and then jerk back to the boat.
The rainbow trout color has been working for me. I have a few Bagley
shallow runners (I fish shallow ponds in little Delaware) and a new
Storm Sub Wart. I also throw 5A and 6A Bombers. I like top waters:
Pop-r, Zara Spook, Spit'n Image, a double prop coach dog lure from
B.A.S.S. I have had success on. Rattle traps. I guess I don't have
10....

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Brendan

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Apr 9, 2001, 8:46:04 AM4/9/01
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Hey Tim, I'm curious, what rods and reals are you using?

As for your collection of hard baits I'd say the only thing you're missing
if you're a topwater fan is a jitterbug, otherwise that's really not a bad
collection to start out with.


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Russ

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:29:34 AM4/9/01
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Here in Florida, I think I've caught more fish on a Rattle Trap that all
other hard baits combined. Maybe it's because it's so easy to use ( throw
it out & crank it back, sometimes with short pauses) <grin>. Favorite top
water is Pop-R & Zara Spook. In heavy cover & pads I like the in-line buzz
baits (Unckle Bucks). Also use white/chartuse 3/8 oz spinnerbaits, 5A & 6A
Bombers (baby bass color this time of year). Shad Rap pretty good too. For
heavy grass, the old Johnson Silver Minnow with trailer still works pretty
good. Didn't make ten either :-)

Russ

Al Carl

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Apr 9, 2001, 11:04:09 AM4/9/01
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I would add a couple of suspenders like the suspending Rapalas. They can be
deadly.

Although I have quite a number of crankbaits, I catch most of my fish on
jigs and tubes.

Al

Jamie Jackson

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Apr 9, 2001, 11:18:17 AM4/9/01
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I'd throw a chartreuse and white spinnerbait in that list. They're
easy to cast and catch fish on, and are just about snag-proof. You
have a lot of treble hooks in your list, and I'll bet you're
protective of those lures (a little hesitant to throw them in the
grass, wood, etc.?). With a spinnerbait, you can throw it into the
mess where bass like to hang out, and pull it right through.

You might also consider one bag of 4-5" (fake plastic) worms, and a
bag of worm hooks (2/0 - 3/0), and some smallish bullet sinkers.
Notice I said ONE bag of worms (natural colors if the water's clear,
unnaturally bright colors (chartreuse, etc.) or dark (black) if the
water's stained). Learn how to rig them Texas style
(http://www.insideline.net/video/PegSinker.ram), and DON'T buy another
bag until you've used every last worm. Otherwise, you'll accumulate a
bucketfull of soft plastics in a few months. ;-)

Oops, I just saw that you were asking for hard lures... Oh well, the
spinnerbait fits that description.

Jamie

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Calif Bill

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Apr 9, 2001, 12:36:33 PM4/9/01
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On the Sacramento Delta, a red Speed Trap is the best hard lure.
http://www.luhr-jensen.com/spedtech.htm
Bill

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walter pitts

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Apr 9, 2001, 12:41:58 PM4/9/01
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<< I would like to know your *personal* opinion on what 10 hard lures a
*beginner* should have in his tackle box. >>


1. Pop-R type topwaters ( I like the Splash-it by Iovino)
2. Crystal Minnows by Yozuri -- floating
3. Suspending Rogue by Smithwick
4. A shallow running plug of some sort -- The Bagely is fine
5. some sort of lipless bait like a Rattle Trap in a chrome and blue
6. The Fat Free Shad( Excaliber in 2 sizes) The new clearer bodies are fun
7. Some sort of large crank bait that goes 20' or more deep -- I like the large
Frenzie bait in red.
8. The Castiac Shad baits are half hard half soft -- they are cool and look
great in the water -- get the two smaller sizes
9. The Hula Popper black/orange or chartreuse
10. The Jitterbug is a good bait with built in action.

change is the only constant

MMccoy01

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Apr 9, 2001, 1:04:17 PM4/9/01
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Chrome/blue Rattletrap

White, Chartreuse, and black/blue spinnerbaits

Bandit Crankbaits

Norman crankbaits ( they catch fish and are cheap. Beginners will loose a lot
of crankbaits if they fish them right)

Pop-R

Silver Buddy

Little George

Buzzbait


Mark McCoy
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Bumpus Mills, Tennessee

Bubba

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Apr 9, 2001, 6:34:42 PM4/9/01
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GL3 Loomis

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:19:13 PM4/9/01
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I will answer your question and avoid using brand names.

1. Deep Diver (in Shad or Chrome, Chartreuse, and Crawfish or Brown)
2. Flat Medium Diver (in the same colors) tight wiggle for cold fronts &
water
3. Round Medium Diver (in same colors) wide wobble for warm/hot water
4. Flat Shallow Diver (in same colors & same reasons)
5. Round Shallow Diver (in same colors & same reasons)
6. Floating Jerkbait (Minnow type lure - Chrome, Firetiger, and Baby Bass)
7a. Suspending Jerkbait
7b. Count Down Jerkbait or add lead tape to suspending so that it sinks.
8. Stickbait (Chrome, Firetiger or Chartreuse, White)
9. Popper or Chugger
10. Blade bait (like your torpedo)

There is a lot more that goes into lure selections and trust me I could
write a novel on this subject.

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Craig


Bob Rickard

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Apr 9, 2001, 11:10:49 PM4/9/01
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Hey Craig . . . why no brand names? There is nothing generic about hard bait
actions or fish catching abilities. Please spill it, brother angler.

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GL3 Loomis

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Apr 10, 2001, 12:07:03 AM4/10/01
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Ok Bob, just for you, but keep it under your hat!

1. Deep Diver - Strike King's Pro-Model 5 (10-12') & 6 (14-16') in Green
Back/Chartreuse Belly, Tennessee Shad, and Crawfish colors for use in
warm/hot water. Excalibur Fat Free Shad - Model 6 (10-14') & 7 (14-18') in
Golden Shad, Tennessee Shad, Crawly Bottom colors that I use after a cold
front or in cool water (42°-65°). The Strike King will produce a nice
wobble where the Excalibur Fat Free Shad produces a nice wiggle. There are
other brand names that will do the same thing. The fatter the body the more
the lure wants to wobble (rolling like wiggle), the thinner the body the
tighter the wiggle (side to side action). The closer the tie is to the body
the tighter the action, where the lower the tie is on the diving bill the
wider the action. So if you got a flat thin lure with the tie close to the
body it would have a real tight wiggle (excellent in cold or gin clear
water), where if you had a fat body lure with the tie close to the body it
would produce a tighter wobble. Thus if you had a flat body diver with the
tie mid-way down the diving bill it would produce a wider wiggle, and if you
had a fat body diver with the tie mid-way down the diving bill it would
produce a very wide rolling wobble.

Is that enough Bob, or do you want more?

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Roland Carter

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Apr 9, 2001, 5:57:24 PM4/9/01
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How big are the BASS in South Arfica?


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Brendan

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> How big are the BASS in South Arfica?

Here are the South African record fish, all weights are metric :

Largemouth Bass / Grootbek-baars - Micropterus Salmoides

Light

Senior - M.J.Livingstone 3.790 kg - 24 September 1989

Junior - C.M.Slade 2.495 kg - 30 September 1990 - Craigieburn

Medium

Senior - B.Schonfield 4.065 kg - 11 October 1986 - Clanwilliam Dam

Junior - G.Hewitt 4.270 kg - 15 September 1996 - Nagle Dam

Open

Senior - J.B.Steyler 6.045 - 23 September 1997 Witbank Dam

Junior - D.C.Harries 3.944 kg - 20 August 1990

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Smallmouth Bass / Kleinbek-baars - Micropterus Dolomieu

Light

Senior - R.H.Moore 2.660 kg - 1 May 1993 - Brandvlei Dam

Junior - D.Barber 1.480 kg - 14 September 1994 - Private dam, Constantia

Medium

Senior - S.P.Murphy 2.820 kg - 25 August 1996 - Clanwilliam Dam

Junior - S.Hawman 1.975 kg - 10 October 1986 - Clanwilliam Dam

Open

Senior - A.Phaal 3.230 kg - 18 September 1998 - Kwaggerskloof Dam

Junior - P.L.Goodman 2.242 kg - 15 April 1998 - Clanwilliam Dam

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Spotted Bass / Spikkel-baars - Micropterus Punctulatus

Light

Senior - L.Goodman 1.320 kg - 2 March 1997 Olifants River (West Pv)

Medium

Senior - J.C.Lotter 1.350 kg - 21 January 1990

Open

Senior - J.Bulpitt 1.660kg - 1 March 1992 - Misverstand Dam

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The worlds biggest 6 fish bag of over 50lb 6oz was taken in Albert Falls by
Cliffy Swift recently.

I'd say on average our fish are probably about 1/2lb - 1lb less than in
America. A large part of this is due to the fact that we don't have big fish
breeding programs since they are not indiginous and in the eastern Cape the
Nature conservation authorities have targetted smallmouth bass as "Public
Enemy" due to the fact that they tend to munch down on certain species
enemic to the region (Numerous yellowfish and barbs.)


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Tim

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Apr 10, 2001, 6:26:34 AM4/10/01
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Hi

I am new to Bassing so I am open to correction.
Where I live 1.5 kg and above is a nice bass and 2.5 kg + is very nice !

I have posted a pic of my girlfriend with a bass she caught recently to
alt.binaries.pictures.fishing . I named it SA Bass.
This is a nice bass for this dam (due to overstocking I think ) but is
well below average for the better dams in our area.

I have also posted a pic of one I caught at the same dam which is larger
than the previous bass but the picture doesn't do it justice. :) really
!!!
this pic is called SA Bass Tim

LM are most common here.

regards
Tim


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Tim

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Apr 10, 2001, 6:32:21 AM4/10/01
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Hi Brendon

My worm rod is a Shimano Catana 6,6' medium heavy with a
Daiwa Procaster z - 153iV baitcaster.

My second worm rod is a Shimano Crestfire 6,6' medium heavy with a
Shimano Chromica baitcaster.

This is if my girlfriend isn't using it !!!! She fishes with me and a while
ago she said that she wanted to try a baitcaster. I reluctantly let her
use it as I thought that my girl and a baitcaster were a recipe for
frustration and would ultimately lead to the demise of our fishing
partnership,
however she has adapted well to the baitcaster.

My finesse rod is a Jarvis Walker Vector composite 6' light action with a
Shimano
FX 2000 RA spinning reel.
This rod deserves a special mention as it cost about R60 !!! when I got it
(about R75 now)
and is a graphite composite which is both light and strong ( it has taken
much more punishment
than a much more expensive Shimano Bullwhip that I broke) I think that it is
a great light spinning rod for its price.

I have only been bassing for a few months now so these rods are actually my
spinning rods that I have pressed into
service. When I am more up to speed I will consider buying a dedicated bass
rod/rods but so far these have given me
great service.

regards
Tim


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Cole Myers

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>
> The worlds biggest 6 fish bag of over 50lb 6oz was taken in Albert Falls
by
> Cliffy Swift recently.
>
> I'd say on average our fish are probably about 1/2lb - 1lb less than in
> America. A large part of this is due to the fact that we don't have big
fish
> breeding programs since they are not indiginous and in the eastern Cape
the
> Nature conservation authorities have targetted smallmouth bass as "Public
> Enemy" due to the fact that they tend to munch down on certain species
> enemic to the region (Numerous yellowfish and barbs.)

The large mouth Bass in Southern Africa were originally all the equivalent
of the Northern American strain and typically did not grow much beyond 6lbs.
However the Florida strain of large mouth was introduced into Zimbabwe (next
door to South Africa) in 1981 and since then the sizes have escalated
rapidly. The current Zimbabwean record is 16.05lbs...

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Cole Myers
Zimbabwe


Brendan

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Apr 10, 2001, 7:02:00 AM4/10/01
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I had a look at some photos and the stats from the Zimbabwe/SA test fished a
few months back. There is absolutely no doubt that your waters are far
superior to ours.

Are there bass in Kariba Dam?


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Tim

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Apr 10, 2001, 8:29:20 AM4/10/01
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Hi

Could you explain why tight wiggle works for frontal fishing and wide wobble
for warm water.

Thanks
Tim

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Cole Myers

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Apr 10, 2001, 9:16:26 AM4/10/01
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Rumor has it that a number of people have released Bass into Kariba, and
certainly some must find there way there via the river system since most
highveld farmers stock Bass in their farm dams. However, they are certainly
not being caught yet, at least not that I am aware of, but surely that is
just a matter of time. Given the relatively high water temp in Kariba it
should be able to grow real monsters ;-)

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Cole Myers
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Bob Rickard

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Apr 10, 2001, 5:04:33 PM4/10/01
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Nero Wolf, my favorite detective, would say "Most satisfactory, and that
will do for now" ( I can't wait; he is coming on A&E starting the 22nd." Not
being as classy, and having far less self-control, I'll just say
"ggrreeeeaaaaaaatttttttttt! Now let's hear more."

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Apr 10, 2001, 6:45:52 PM4/10/01
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MORE!

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Missed-a-Bass

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Craig, could you repeat that please...I was on the phone when you were typing.

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Fish all Day, Make up Lies.

Shawn


GL3 Loomis

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Ok folks. . . I will continue on this subject tonight after I get home from
work.


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