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ku...@yang.earlham.edu
I got to see all the kings, save the west, at the Pennsic Grand Court and I am
curious as to what areas each one rules. The East won Pennsic, with the Mid
winning only the town aqnd bridge battles. Anyone know how much the Muscular
Dystrophy Association took in from the Auction? I participated and I'm curious.
Also I'm considering a Saxon persona, any reccomended books would be
appreciated, especially name books I can use to pass a name.
Thanks.
--
Kurt Grossman
Ku...@yang.earlham.edu
Follower of Saint MacGyver, Patron Saint of Lifesaving Plot Devices
(Thanks to someone in rec.arts.comics.misc)
"It's human nature to keep doing something as long as it's pleasurable and you
can succeed at it - which is why the world population continues to double every
40 years.
-Peter Lynch w/ John Rothchild, _Beating the Street_
Kathleen Gorman
>Could someone please tell me the mundane areas covered by each of the kingdoms.
>I got to see all the kings, save the west, at the Pennsic Grand Court and I am
>curious as to what areas each one rules.
Also, does anyone know of a MODERN map (you know, done to scale,
recognizable kind) that shows the Kingdom boundaries and mundane ones as
well. Just North America would be fine for me though the whole world
would be really nice. If you do know where or how I can get such a thing
please let me know.
Eyrny
PS, Hi Danulf, send me your email address would you? We'll take a picture
of that punch tester sometime soon but please remind me.
coz...@garnet.berkeley.edu
Kathleen Gorman <kgo...@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <1993Aug23.0...@yang.earlham.edu> ku...@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>Also, does anyone know of a MODERN map (you know, done to scale,
>recognizable kind) that shows the Kingdom boundaries and mundane ones as
>well.....
There's a map in the centerfold of "Forward Into the Past," available from
the Stock Clerk for some measly sum (a quarter? something like that).
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West UC Berkeley
Argent, a cross forme'e sable coz...@garnet.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer: UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
Arval d'Espas Nord
> Could someone please tell me the mundane areas covered by each of the
> kingdoms.
You can find this information in the file /pub/sca/findsca at the anonymous
ftp site bransle.ucs.mun.ca. (BTW, that file is out of date. Someone may
want to update the seneschals and add Drachenwald). In summary, with my
corrections:
ANSTEORRA (OK and TX (except El Paso))
AN TIR (OR, WA, Northern ID, BC, SK, and AB)
ATENVELDT (AZ, UT, MT, Western CO, Western WY, and Southern ID)
ATLANTIA (MD, DC, VA, NC, and SC)
CAID (Southern CA, HI, New Zealand, and Southern NV)
CALONTIR (KS, MO, IA, NB, and Northwest AR)
DRACHENWALD (Europe)
EAST (NY, NJ, PA, MA, CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, WV, NF, NS, NB, PQ)
MERIDIES (GA, LA, MS, TN, AL, Southern and Eastern AR, and FL Panhandle)
MIDDLE (IL, IN, KY, OH, MI, ONT, WI, MN, MAN, ND, and SD)
OUTLANDS (NM, El Paso TX, Eastern CO, and Eastern WY)
TRIMARIS (Penisular FL)
WEST (Nothern CA, Northern NV, AK, Australia, and Japan)
> Also I'm considering a Saxon persona, any reccomended books would be
> appreciated, especially name books I can use to pass a name.
You can find many good Anglo-Saxon names in E. G. Withycombe, "The Oxford
Dictionary of English Christian Names", but that will only give you names
which have survived in some form to modern times. Any history of
pre-Norman England will give you many more, and if you want something more
scholarly, let me know & I will recommend a few books.
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Arval d'Espas Nord mit...@watson.ibm.com
00dbro...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
writes:
>
> Also I'm considering a Saxon persona, any reccomended books would be
> appreciated, especially name books I can use to pass a name.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Kurt Grossman
> Ku...@yang.earlham.edu
>
Saxon names. A great primary source is the Domesday Book; one should
have no trouble with a name taken from there; in fact, with a little observation
of the names, one can easily begin to identify the seperate elements and, if one
wishes, rearrange them to suit (e.g., AElfstan and Raedwyn could be taken apart
and rearranged to come up with AElfwyn and Raedstan; we're basically just
shoving Old English nouns together here).
There is one drawback: it is easy to go crosseyed poring upon volume
after volume of the Domesday Book; thankfully, there exists an index of names
from the Domesday book, the title of which presently escapes me. I shall try
to get that title for you and post it soon. I would recommend this as the best
source for Saxon names. By the way, the search can be made more satisfying
and enjoyable through the use of an Old English lexicon of some sort, or the
use of a person who has some knowledge of the language; in this way, the
meanings of the names can be discovered (e.g., my own: AEthelwine uppon
Ealdwold; AEthel = noble, wyn (I took a liberty in spelling--a very likely
thing to have happened in period) = joy or friend, uppon = on/upon, eald = old,
wold = hill; kind of fun, eh?).
Sources for information on the Saxon period in general are also out
there. It can be very enjoyable to go to actual Old English literature (for
just about all of which "translations"--modernizations, really--can be found)
for information about the culture; one also picks up a sort of feel for the
culture this way.
There are also quite a few good secondary sources of information. One
I have heard of but not read is entitled _I_am_England_. I don't know the
author's name, but am told that it makes very pleasant reading as well as
providing information about everyday life. Speaking of everyday life, there
is a book entitled _Everyday_Life_in_Roman_and_Saxon_Times_, by Marjorie and
C.H.B. Quennell. I've never heard anything against it, and as far as I know
it is a good source of information. One more enjoyable book is called _1066:_
the_Year_of_the_Conquest_. It is set up in narrative style, and is quite
informative and enjoyable; as you can guess, it tells the story not only of the
Battle of Hastings, but of the entire year of 1066. The author is David
Howarth.
Books can also be found dealing with costume appropriate to this
culture and period; no titles come to mind at the moment, but you could
find some good ones easily enough in the library, under clothing and costume.
I shall try to find that Domesday name index title for you, and if
after reading this you yet have eyes in your head, you can expect its posting
ere long.
AEthelwine uppon Ealdwold
00dbro...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
any luck, it will be in your library:
Feilitzen, Olof von. _The_Pre-Conquest_Personal_Names_of_Domesday_Book_.
Uppsala, Almqvist & Wiksells boktryckeri-a.-b., 1937.
Happy Hunting!
AEthelwine
Frank Cecil Morgan
>Greetings from Arval! Kurt asked a grab bag of questions:
>
>> Could someone please tell me the mundane areas covered by each of the
>> kingdoms.
>AN TIR (OR, WA, Northern ID, BC, SK, and AB)
>ATENVELDT (AZ, UT, MT, Western CO, Western WY, and Southern ID)
>ATLANTIA (MD, DC, VA, NC, and SC)
>CAID (Southern CA, HI, New Zealand, and Southern NV)
>CALONTIR (KS, MO, IA, NB, and Northwest AR)
>DRACHENWALD (Europe)
>EAST (NY, NJ, PA, MA, CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, WV, NF, NS, NB, PQ)
>MERIDIES (GA, LA, MS, TN, AL, Southern and Eastern AR, and FL Panhandle)
>MIDDLE (IL, IN, KY, OH, MI, ONT, WI, MN, MAN, ND, and SD)
>OUTLANDS (NM, El Paso TX, Eastern CO, and Eastern WY)
>TRIMARIS (Penisular FL)
>WEST (Nothern CA, Northern NV, AK, Australia, and Japan)
>
Emyrs Thandros Morgan, Caer Adamant
.
fi...@delphi.dasd.honeywell.com
> Also, does anyone know of a MODERN map (you know, done to scale,
> recognizable kind) that shows the Kingdom boundaries and mundane ones as
> well. Just North America would be fine for me though the whole world
> would be really nice. If you do know where or how I can get such a thing
> please let me know.
I know of no map kept on record. Kingdoms are identified by ZIP and I think
that info is kept on file in Milpitas. I learned the divisions when I
was handling renewal and expiration notices. That was a few years ago
and the newer kingdoms I have learned only by observation. I would be
curious to see an updated ZIP list.
Gunwaldt
Robert Farrior
I may be incorrect on this, but I remember quite clearly seeing a map of
the known world showing both mundane and SCA titles for all of the lands.
It was in a soft bound book (which fell apart) that was published by or
for the SCA. It is in storage and I can't remember its name, but it was
a sort of "Everything you ever wanted to know about the SCA".
It had sections on the history of the SCA, making garb, weapons, and
recipes for food and even mead. The cover was yellow, I believe. Anyway,
the map was inside the cover.
formerly Robert of Elvegast
Barony of Windmaster's Hill
Kingdom of Atlantia
(now just Bob)
Chris Croughton
mit...@watson.ibm.com (Arval d'Espas Nord) writes:
>You can find this information in the file /pub/sca/findsca at the anonymous
>ftp site bransle.ucs.mun.ca. (BTW, that file is out of date. Someone may
>want to update the seneschals and add Drachenwald). In summary, with my
>corrections:
>
>DRACHENWALD (Europe)
What part of 'Europe'? For instance, does it include the (old) Iron
Curtain countries? Turkey? North Africa? If it doesn't, are these
other places claimed by any kingdoms?
Unfortunately, 'Europe' is now a rather undefined area - the European
Community excludes part of Nordmark (I believe that Denmark is the only
Scandinavian country in the EC at the moment), but will include Greece
and Turkey, whereas the geographical term includes part of Russia and
most (if not all) of the states currently in contention.
And, of course, to most British it is still usual to talk about going
"to Europe" for holidays <g>...
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known world in a soft-bound, yellow-covered, "Everything you ever wanted to
know about the SCA" book.
The book you mention is probably the (much maligned) Known World Handbook,
recently released in a third edition containing a series of maps showing the
growth of the known world from 1966 to 1992 C.E. However the maps give only
the society designations, and not the modern place naces: not surprising
considering that their early cartography is more an art then a science.
Pagan le Chaunster
Southron Gaard (note the spelling -- the mapmakers didn't), South Caid.
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Jennifer Geard blood...@sloth.equinox.gen.nz
Christchurch, New Zealand
The Merconomicon Adept
>In article <CC9zq...@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>,
> mit...@watson.ibm.com (Arval d'Espas Nord) writes:
>>You can find this information in the file /pub/sca/findsca at the anonymous
>>ftp site bransle.ucs.mun.ca. (BTW, that file is out of date. Someone may
>>want to update the seneschals and add Drachenwald). In summary, with my
>>corrections:
>>DRACHENWALD (Europe)
>What part of 'Europe'? For instance, does it include the (old) Iron
>Curtain countries? Turkey? North Africa? If it doesn't, are these
>other places claimed by any kingdoms?
Drachenwald includes everything East of the Sea. Except South Korea. That's
part of the West. For the time being. :-)
>Unfortunately, 'Europe' is now a rather undefined area - the European
>Community excludes part of Nordmark (I believe that Denmark is the only
>Scandinavian country in the EC at the moment), but will include Greece
>and Turkey, whereas the geographical term includes part of Russia and
>most (if not all) of the states currently in contention.
The European Community excludes all Nordmark (Sweden), Aarnimetsa (Finland),
Klakavirki (Iceland), as well as the bit with fjords (Norway). And not only
Greece, EC also includes Portugal, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy and
France, all sadly lacking in, uh, civilised settlements...
Having recently made a map of Drachenwald, I fancy myself quite the
geographer. (I did briefly consider marking France "The Taunted Forest".)
Juhana Maununpoika Kivisuo
Pursuivant at large, armed presumed langued
Aarnimetsa, Drachenwald
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Scott D Nolan
|> In article <746550...@keris.demon.co.uk>
|> ch...@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
|> >In article <CC9zq...@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>,
|> > mit...@watson.ibm.com (Arval d'Espas Nord) writes:
|>
|> >>You can find this information in the file /pub/sca/findsca at the anonymous
|> >>ftp site bransle.ucs.mun.ca. (BTW, that file is out of date. Someone may
|> >>want to update the seneschals and add Drachenwald). In summary, with my
|> >>corrections:
|>
|> >>DRACHENWALD (Europe)
|>
|> >What part of 'Europe'? For instance, does it include the (old) Iron
|> >Curtain countries? Turkey? North Africa? If it doesn't, are these
|> >other places claimed by any kingdoms?
|>
|> Drachenwald includes everything East of the Sea. Except South Korea. That's
|> part of the West. For the time being. :-)
Interesting, because the Palentine Barony of the Far West (at least when I was there)
counts everything "West of the Sea" as theirs....
Hmmm perhaps a silly and schtick filled war could be waged over who gets what?
I suspect that the boundaries would level off sensibly if the modern concepts
of force projection were used... Though Drachenwald has many times the number
of active fighters of the Far West, it may be hard for many Drachenwald fighters
to get to the Far West for the conflict. Ditto in reverse.
Perhaps this is a bit dated also, but at one time the Far West included the
Diego Garcia base in the Indian Ocean (geography check?). If so, that is quite
a bit "West" of Warrior's Gate (Korea).
|> >Unfortunately, 'Europe' is now a rather undefined area - the European
|> >Community excludes part of Nordmark (I believe that Denmark is the only
|> >Scandinavian country in the EC at the moment), but will include Greece
|> >and Turkey, whereas the geographical term includes part of Russia and
|> >most (if not all) of the states currently in contention.
|>
|> The European Community excludes all Nordmark (Sweden), Aarnimetsa (Finland),
|> Klakavirki (Iceland), as well as the bit with fjords (Norway). And not only
|> Greece, EC also includes Portugal, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy and
|> France, all sadly lacking in, uh, civilised settlements...
|>
|> Having recently made a map of Drachenwald, I fancy myself quite the
|> geographer. (I did briefly consider marking France "The Taunted Forest".)
Do you think you might do another map of Drachenwald for profit or SCA trade?
I would be very interested in a fanciful map of that region. I confess to
being a map nut, especially those with lots of artist interpretation.
|> Juhana Maununpoika Kivisuo
|> Pursuivant at large, armed presumed langued
|> Aarnimetsa, Drachenwald
|> --
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|> "Dammit Jim, I'm an accountant, not a doctor!"
Scott Nolan
sno...@marge.hq.af.mil
aka: Lord Duncan Tiercel MacLeod
Barony of Ponte Alto, Atlantia
==============================================================
We are lucky we don't have as much government as we pay for!
- will rodgers
The Merconomicon Adept
>In article <25tm5v$j...@nntp.hut.fi>,
I write:
>|> Drachenwald includes everything East of the Sea. Except South Korea. That's
>|> part of the West. For the time being. :-)
>Interesting, because the Palentine Barony of the Far West (at least when
I was there)
>counts everything "West of the Sea" as theirs....
East is East and West is West, and... uh... Anyway.
>Hmmm perhaps a silly and schtick filled war could be waged over who gets what?
Yes, that would be fun! Let's see, now: the loser gets Siberia? :-)
>|> Having recently made a map of Drachenwald, I fancy myself quite the
>|> geographer. (I did briefly consider marking France "The Taunted Forest".)
>Dou]Mo you think you might do another map of Drachenwald for profit or SCA trade?
>}eI would be very interested in a fanciful map of that region. I confess to
>being a map nut, especially those with lots of artist interpretation.
For $1 a copy, I'll send you as many as you want. (I'm trying to get rich
beyond the dreams of avarice.) My map is in A3 landscape format, with both
baronies marked by castles, and shires, cantons and pre-incipient groups (in
Sweden and Finland) by towers. There's no monsters, but it does have the arms
of TRM's and all local groups in the margins. The arms are finished in vivid
Petra Sancta (tm) "Better Than Colour" hatching.
>Scott Nolan
>sno...@marge.hq.af.mil
>aka: Lord Duncan Tiercel MacLeod
> Barony of Ponte Alto, Atlantia
Juhana Maununpoika Kivisuo
Chris Croughton
>I know of no map kept on record. Kingdoms are identified by ZIP and I think
>that info is kept on file in Milpitas. I learned the divisions when I
>was handling renewal and expiration notices. That was a few years ago
>and the newer kingdoms I have learned only by observation. I would be
>curious to see an updated ZIP list.
Do they still do them by (American) ZIP codes? If so, what ZIP codes
are allocated to Britain, Sweden, Germany, etc.? And do our Governments
know about them? The Post Office won't, but then they can't even find
my house on a main street with big numbers on the house...
I remember we did have some problems with this in Europe several years
ago, since the SCA (Milpitas) were only interested in US military bases,
not 'natives', but I believe this has been ironed out. I'd be
interested to know what they do (at corporate level) instead...
Chris Croughton
>The European Community excludes all Nordmark (Sweden), Aarnimetsa (Finland),
>Klakavirki (Iceland), as well as the bit with fjords (Norway). And not only
>Greece, EC also includes Portugal, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy and
>France, all sadly lacking in, uh, civilised settlements...
Oops! Last time I heard (quite a few years ago) Nordmark was claiming
all of Scandinavia; I hadn't realised they were separate groups now...
I gather that the settlement in the Netherlands is still thriving, from
your list...
>Having recently made a map of Drachenwald, I fancy myself quite the
>geographer. (I did briefly consider marking France "The Taunted Forest".)
Is this map generally available? I'd be interested in a copy...
Leif Euren
from herr Peder Klingrode.
In article <747249...@keris.demon.co.uk> ch...@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
> Last time I heard (quite a few years ago) Nordmark was claiming all
> of Scandinavia; I hadn't realised they were separate groups now...
Sigh. Here we go again. Nordmark have _never_ claimed anything more
than what's mundanely known as Sweden. There are, however, people
who'd like to see Nordmark include all the Nordic countries. But they
are few, and do not live in our barony.
And while I'm at it: The king of Sweden is *NOT* interested in the SCA.
In fact, I doubt he knows about us.
your humble servant
Peder Klingrode | Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden
Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald | le...@celsiustech.se