Paedophilia - what everyone (including nudists) ought to know about it
Neosapienis
This is a subject that often crops up where mainstream society's
objections to family nudism is concerned. Sadly, there have been
paedophiles involved in the nudist movement around the world, but
there is also a lot of myth and ignorance which surrounds this sad
sexual interest. Parents are naturally anxious to protect their
children from being molested, and warn them not to talk to strangers
or accept sweets from them. Here, for once and for all are the facts
about it.
"Q: What is paedophilia?
It is surprising to many people to learn that, strictly speaking, the
word 'paedophilia' does not mean 'sex with children' but 'love of
children', and research does seem to suggest that very few
paedophiles want actual intercourse with children.
Although there are cases of intercourse between an adult and child,
85 to 90% of all sexual experiences with adults take the form either
of exhibitionism, such as 'flashing', or of having their bodies
touched and that the percentages for boys are probably the same.
Other research has found that there are some paedophiles who have
never wished for direct sexual contact with children. Instead, they
are generally satisfied with affectionate cuddling.
Q: Who are paedophiles?
Much myth and confusion surrounds paedophiles themselves. Many
people think of them as 'dirty old men', and it is certainly true
that paedophilia, like other sexual deviations, attracts men frar
more than it does women. However, by no mens are paedophiles all
elderly. It seems that they can be divided into three age group:
adolescence, the middle to late thirties and old age - the last,
surprisingly enough, comprising the smallest category.
Whilst most paedophiles are men, there have been cases of women
seducing children, and some people have suggest that our social
customs may perhaps lead us to ignore paedophilic behaviour in women
and to accuse men wrongly. In our soicty, it is acceptable for a
woman to talk to, kiss, or cuddle other people's - sometimes
stranger's - children; if a man, who simply likes children, does this,
he risks being labelled paedophilic.
Most parents believe their children to be in the greatest danger from
strangers. However, research has shown that the majority of
paedophiles are known to the chld. A study of 79 cases found that
34% of adults involved were teachers or social workers, 30% were
religious figures such as clergymen, choirmasters or Sunday School
teachers, and another 20% were youth leaders or scout masters. Only
2% were strangers to the child - most of the remaining 14% were
either family friends or relatives known and trusted by the child.
Like other sexual deviants, paedophiles may not be exclusively
attached to their deviation. Some at least can, and do, maintain
relationships with adult partners, though their main sexual interests
will be directed towards children. (Although recent research
suggests that, in a few cases at least, it is possible to increase
the paedophile's interest in adult sexual partners).
Though some studies have found evidence of psychological disturbance,
there is little evidence to suggest that paedophiles are
psychologically different, except for their sexual likings, from the
rest of humanity. They seem to be generally physically healthy, and
most studies have found few signs of aggressive beahviour or severe
personality disorder.
Q: What are the causes of paedophilia?
Psychological abnormability does not seem to be the usual cause of
paedophilia, but some psychologists have suggested that paedophiles
may differ from other people in the way they regard the world of
adults and children. Paedophiles seem to see people chiefly in terms
of whether they are innocent or sophisticated, submissive or
dominant. To a paedophile, adult women seem especially dominating
and, to some extent, sophisticated and therefore frightening. In
contrast, he sees children as submissive and innocent.
There is no evidence that people are born with tendencies to
paedophilia. Studies of paedophiia and other sexual deviations
indicate that such attitudes are more likely to be caused by events
in childhood, which make paedophilic behaviour likely but do not
produce it unless a person's normal sexual development is blocked in
later life. For instance, the paedophile may lack the social skills
necessary to put him sufficiently at ease with adults to attract them
sexually. In support of this idea is the fact that the peak ages at
which paedophilic behaviour ocurs - adolescence, the approach of
middle age and old age - are those when normal sexual outlets are
likely to be blocked, though without the necssary childhood
experiences, it is unlikely that paedophilia will develop.
Q: Who are the victims?
A recent survey in Britain found that some people believe that
paedophiles can be sexually interested in children as young as two
years old. In fact, a paedophile is usually attracted by the pre-
pubertal child of between seven and 14 years. It seems that the pre-
pubertal appearance of the child is very important, and when a
paedophile can also sustain a sexual relationship with an adult, he
will most often choose a slightly-built person. In addition, there
is evidence that many paedophiles are very much turned *off* children
who are growing pubic hair and by boys whose voices are breaking.
So the man who is turned on by the schoolgirl image is NOT a
paedophile. He is more likely to be a fetishist who is mainly
interested in the traditional gym-slip uniform. In his fantasies the
girl will be between 16 and 18 years old and will always be wearing
school uniform - a fantasy girl without clothes will not attract him
half so much.
Both boys and girls can be victims of paedophilia, though some people
have suggested that a paedophile is more likely to be a homosexual.
However, homosexual paedophilia may seem more common because of the
number of offences committed by men who work with boys - scout
masters, schoolmasters, youth workers - who may have little chance to
meet young girls. Because these men hold positions of trust with
children, their crimes may appear more shocking and so may be more
highly publicized than similar crimes against girls. Other peple
have aruged that since we do no know how many paedophiles there are
in the population, heterosexual paedophiles might just as easily be in
the majority. We do not know.
When paedophilia takes place it is seldom simply a case or rape or
assault of a child by an adult which the child could have avoided.
This does happen of course, but one study has concluded that in most
reported cases of paedophilia, the children could have avoided that
experience.
This is not to say that children initiate or encourage sexual
involvement with adults - though there are almost certainly a very
few such sexually precocious children. Children may allow the
attentions of adults simply because they do not realise that what is
happening is wrong and that they should object. Most parents warn
their children not to talk to or accept car rides from strangers, but
rarely explain exactly why strangers are dangerous.
Children are capable of sexual feelings and they may not connect a
sexual experience with their parents' warning. The situation is
further confused because so few paedophilic assaults are in fact
committed by strangers. We tell our children to obey older people
because adults know best, so it is not really surprising if children
do not reject the sexual advances of, say, the local clergymen or
social worker, who is not only an adult but is also a trusted figure
in the community.
Q: What is the effect on the child?
Ideally, a sexual experience should take place between equals, and so
in cases of paedophilia - even when the child does not resist - there
is an imbalance which some people believe may well harm a child's
later sexual development.
Many psychologists today believe that such harm can be considerably
reduced if any investigation into an incident is carried out
unemotionally and calmly. It may be difficult for parents to
remember this when they discover their child has been sexually
molested, but it DOES seem to be true that when there is a dramatic
family scene, with mother crying and father threatening to kill the
man or woman involved, the effect on the child is likely to be more
disturbing than that of the sexual experience itself.
The research which has produced this evidence is very recent, and it
maybe that the effects of this kind of childhood experience may not
appear for many years. However, when children whose parents behaved
calmly are compared with children whose parents did not, it appears
that the advice to keep calm is extremely valid.
Q: How do we treat paedophilia?
Many of the techniques used to treat other sexual deviations have
been used successfully in cases of paedophilia. However, with
deviations such as fetishism and sado-masochism, the therapy is
designed not to remove the deviation entirely, but to give the man
alternative ways of obtaining sexual pleasure and the ability to come
to terms with his deviation. There can be no such compromise in
treating paedophilia, since it is a crime in many countries.
As a result, therapy must not only remove the paedophilic behaviour
but also replace it with allowed sexual activity. In some cases,
training in social skills has been given to help the paedophiles make
normal sexual approaches to adults. However, although success has
been reported with convicted offenders in prisn (where, perhaps, any
sympathetic treatment would be helpful), little is known about
whether any improvement is maintained in the outside world. In
short, although doctors and psychologists have had some success in
treating paedophilia, and research into the area is continuing, we
still ahve a very long way to go before it is possible to 'cure'
every case of paedophilia."
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Best wishes,
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Jenny6833A
wrote:
<snip>
The article seems a bit behind the current state of knowledge, but
it's not too bad\.
Thanks for posting it.
:-)
Jenny
Zee
so were you not interested in the nudist pedophile jenny....oh i see
you are not a nudist.....i think these rec nude cases of pedophilia
are pertaining to a naked child and a naked pedophile.....and these
pedos are not interested or turned on by clothed kids anywere any
time....jz
williamblake
Is there really any evidence that this is the case?
David Looser
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Evidence?, good heavens you don't expect Zee to have evidence do you?
Zee has often talked about "pedos (who) are not interested or turned on by
clothed kids anywere any time", but as far as I can see by that he means
himself, and only himself. He certainly has resisted all invitations to
offer any evidence that any others exist. He merely replies with his usual
abusive comments.
David.
Zee
wrote:
> "williamblake" <petergmac...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
David.....i bet you have wondered about those nudist camp child
molestors....did you ever know one of them.....and have you talked to
a few of them....or have you seen any of the girls that got molested
and noted their behavior at camp....oh i see you have noted these
things and why dont you tell rec nude folks how it is.....maybe i
missed something and of course you are the literary competent person
that is qualified to present it in a way that could be understood by
all....also tell us about the sexual performance of a child at
camp....how that happens and is that child sexual abuse or a case of
child molestation. if adults are watching it.....or can we agree that
this is simply child sex education ....and no harm has been
done....gee Dario wants some answers here......he is an upcoming
promoter of the nudist lifestyle and some one might ask him about
these things......i bet he jenny and you can tell us all about
it....like it is ol hat stuff.....so tell us about those naked kids
and naked pedos ...jz
petek...@googlemail.com
> "williamblake" <petergmac...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
So how does Zee explain all the disgraced Catholic priests and
teachers, and care home staff who've been caught out, or did they have
some connection with nudism too?
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
peteknig....i only have info about nudist cases of child
molestations....you might check with the catholics on their
problems....i would think they have no connection to social
nudism....but in rec nude i just thought everyone would be interested
in the nudist molestations since this is a nudist ng..and one just
happened in a nudist camp a day or so ago......Dario has info on a
pedo with a hard on and a little girl being interested in this pedo by
keeping company with him....Dario i am sure knows the guy and made an
attempt to meet him and know him as he was accepted at the nudist swim
as being harmless....Dario could enlighten you guys on that
situation.....it seems to me a naked guy with a hard on and naked
female being friendly to one another is a case where if she grabs hold
of his dick and does not let go real fast like ...this could be
undstood as being sex or am i just the 800 lb gorilla in the
room....what do i know......jz
stinso...@hotmail.com
<peterg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> so were you not interested in the nudist pedophile jenny....oh i see
>> you are not a nudist.....i think these rec nude cases of pedophilia
>> are pertaining to a naked child and a naked pedophile.....and these
>> pedos are not interested or turned on by clothed kids anywere any
>> time....jz
>
>Is there really any evidence that this is the case?
Nope. None.
-T.
David Looser
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> David.....i bet you have wondered about those nudist camp child
> molestors....did you ever know one of them.....and have you talked to
> a few of them....
<snip>
Sorry Zee, you are addressing that to the wrong person. I must have lead a
very sheltered life, because I've never knowingly met a child molester, or
an abused child. I've never seen a "sexual performance of a child" either.
All the naturist resorts I ever visited were attended by regular folk who
just did all the usual stuff that regular folk do on holiday; you know, eat,
drink, chat, sunbathe, swim, go boating, play boule etc. etc. And the
children were just doing the sort of thing that normal, happy children do on
holiday; run around, ride bikes, play in the water, use the swings and
slides etc. etc. nothing remotely sexual about any of. So to answer your
question, no, I never did wonder about "those nudist camp child molesters".
David.
Zee
wrote:
> "Zee" <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
well you could have blown me over ...with the speed you came crashing
in here this morning to tell someone about my nonsense of having no
evidence ....so just this morning you begin taking an interest in the
issue....it is a pressing issue and i think all nudist should be
interested as a camp here in the usa just had a guy arrested for a
camp molestation.....so if you dont have any knowledge and nothing to
contribute then enjoy the ride and let ol jonZeee sit in the engineers
seat with his hand on the throttle.....see there had never been any
studies of any kind in nudist camps by professional unbiased people
and those studies of clothed folks that this thread is about is all
over libraries and as jenny says this one is out of date....but has
little to do with naked little girls and naked pedos covorting....so
all the world has is guys like jonZeee that has been observing this
heneous situation for years and years....maybe it is like dealing with
a serial killer that only kills whores....the police are smart enough
to cling close to the whores and ignore the rest of society....smart
thinking....if molestations occur in nudist camps there aint no point
in connecting the clothed world as these pedos say they are only
interested in the naked kids only....so it would be smart to
concentrate all attention on the nudist and their behavior...i knew
you would agree.....jz
Marc
> "Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:037e61ea-0e09-41ef...@p42g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> David.....i bet you have wondered about those nudist camp child
>> molestors....did you ever know one of them.....and have you talked to
>> a few of them....
>
> <snip>
>
> Sorry Zee, you are addressing that to the wrong person.
How do you work out what the hell he is trying to say? I gave up after
the first two or three lines, I get the felling I wasn't missing much?
Neosapienis
"Dario has info on a pedo with a hard on and a little girl being interested
in this pedo by
keeping company with him....Dario i am sure knows the guy and made an
attempt to meet him and know him as he was accepted at the nudist swim
as being harmless....Dario could enlighten you guys on that
situation....."
I know the guy, and he is not a paedophile. It was his first time at a
nudist place and I don't think anybody told him how to behave when he got a
hard on. He also has Aspergers Syndrome, which is a very severe form of
autism, and as a result is not often aware of or considerate of the thoughts
and feelings of other people around him. Prior to meeting him at the swims,
he got booted from a couple of nudist groups for persistently asking the
female members if they were shaved, and if it is okay to stare at their
vaginas whilst they are lying down on the beach. Like, duh, of course it's
not!
Being the good Samaritan I went out of my way to meet this guy in person and
talk to him, and he is nothing in real life as to what he writes on the Net.
He's actually very shy to the point of being stand-offish and gets cross
when other people tell him to be more sociable.
"it seems to me a naked guy with a hard on and naked
female being friendly to one another is a case where if she grabs hold
of his dick and does not let go real fast like ...this could be
undstood as being sex or am i just the 800 lb gorilla in the
room....what do i know......jz"
The girl you are referring to was 10 years old at the time, and I have never
seen her misbehaving at any nudist places I've seen her at. She's now 16
and still a nudist.
With the exception of the guy who grabbed my balls a few years ago, I have
heard a couple of stories of kids who have grabbed adult men's dicks at
nudist places but they were only toddlers who don't know any better.
Terry J. Wood
@mid.individual.net:
> Evidence?, good heavens you don't expect Zee to have evidence do you?
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Zee
wrote:
well all i can say ...is if oreily reads this it could make you a
million aire....in other words just tell him what you have said above
and also tell about the boy that also was sick when jackin off and
lookin at the naked girls playin...try to think of the details of that
also as reported to you and this could revolutionize family nudism for
ever as most all parents would want to bring their kids to your club
including the baptist and the prime minister kids would be there for
sure and of course the nude beach protesters would all be
there....what a deal.....jz
Neosapienis
million dollar farm out in Caboolture. ;-)
--
Best wishes,
Dario Western
Home: (07) 3267-0099
Mobile: (0437) 428-859
Web Page: http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
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"Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Zee
wrote:
> Now THAT'S an idea, maybe I should it forward to him and retire to that nice
> million dollar farm out in Caboolture. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> well all i can say ...is if oreily reads this it could make you a
> million aire....in other words just tell him what you have said above
> and also tell about the boy that also was sick when jackin off and
> lookin at the naked girls playin...try to think of the details of that
> also as reported to you and this could revolutionize family nudism for
> ever as most all parents would want to bring their kids to your club
> including the baptist and the prime minister kids would be there for
> sure and of course the nude beach protesters would all be
>
> - Show quoted text -
....well now i know i have as well as you a medical disorder and all
those sexy little girls also .....with the disorder and at the same
time women all over the world are being treated for lack of interest
in sex....and maybe this disorder is found in the blood stream and it
could be injected to these poor females and maybe some of mine and
your blood could be injected in all these impotent males and and
and....or at least get viagra to pay us royalty to keep it off the
market......and and look at all the fun could be had at the nudist
camps and and and.....jz
williamblake
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is unlikely that Catholic priests would have any connection with
naturism as it is strictly against their religion.
Brian Telford
Says who?
Brian
petek...@googlemail.com
Not at all what I was suggesting, rather the Catholic priesthood is/
was a haven for child molesters, more so than naturism. Up until about
25 years ago any foul play was covered up to protect the church, and
to hell with the victim.
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
once leaving rec nude ....one would have a hard time convincing anyone
that the priesthood was more of a haven for molestations than nudist
camps....because because because ....nudist covered up more then than
they do today....most girls you find in nudism have been molested...i
am saying more than 1 out 2 have been ....jz
Richard C.
<....most girls you find in nudism have been molested...i
< am saying more than 1 out 2 have been ....jz
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and yet, not one iota of proof for such a stupid
statement......................
Richard C.
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But....his stories are not good...........
Zee
> "Zee" <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
and they put two fingers deep in their pussies to prove they aint
virgins sure proves it to me idiot.....no group or church or peer
could ever have as a high a rate of molestations as nudist...another
fact...i am dumbfounded as to how non nudist kids could be
molested.....i have heard they are awakened at night in their sleep
with their pajamas on...and pulled down.....how have you heard the
pedos do it......what a feat it must be when just getting the clothes
underwear off a textile kid would be great stuff as that is the hard
part...but nudist kids are already naked hot and dripping and looking
for dick....a simple minded idiot could figure out how to fuck em
girls......jz
Zee
> "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJW...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:Xns9BD9EAC9B5...@216.168.3.30...
>
> > "David Looser" <david.loo...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:72ug7mFs0i21U1
> > @mid.individual.net:
>
> >> Evidence?, good heavens you don't expect Zee to have evidence do you?
>
> > Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
>
> =======================
> But....his stories are not good...........
nudism is either lies or sad sordid non good stories....maybe we can
agree on that one....jz
Anna
wrote:
> Q: How do we treat paedophilia?
Shoot them in the head.
Lane
8af724...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
If we treat all people with mental illness that way, when do you propose to
report for your own treatment?
Lane
Neosapienis
There are some Catholic priests involved with naturism. The best known ones
were the late Rev. Jim Dodge, and Rev. William Peckenpaugh who is now doing
time in prison for sexually abusing a young Romanian boy whom he adopted
from a refuge to bring to America.
He used to post to rec.nude, and once advocated the murder of a poster
called Nicky Warren who was concerned about the safety of children in the
nudist movement. Very nasty piece of work, him.
--
Best wishes,
Dario Western
Home: (07) 3267-0099
Mobile: (0437) 428-859
Web Page: http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
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"Brian Telford" <br...@somewhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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FLTom
wrote:
...Aspergers Syndrome, which is a very severe form of
autism...
Aspergers is a form of autism which is high functioning, not severe.
There's some disagreement whether the condition properly should be
described as autistic at all, since many people with Aspergers lead
productive lives largely indistinguishable from an average or normal
life. Severe autism is a very tragic state. Individuals existing in
that state wouldn't be able to perform anywhere near the functions you
describe in your companion.
FLTom
wrote:
> Hi all,
Who produced this Q and A? On a hot topic like pedophilia, it's not
enough to just present data wrapped in authoritative language. You've
also got to show that the data comes from a credible source.
Neosapienis
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"FLTom" <beck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neosapienis
nudist places?
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Dario Western
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"Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Zee
wrote:
> Where can you provide the statistics that 1 in 2 girls have been molested at
> nudist places?
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dario....i know that is a hard hitting figure ....but family nudism is
sorta like a gang of terrorist that are located in the hills and so
far has not broken any laws to allow folks in to have a look
see......the behavior they demonstrate is not palatable to the 99
percent which keeps out most folks.....ie nakedness......and if a
person announced they were going to do a survey for journalism....then
they would not be welcome to do so....now just what i have said also
does not have proof and you know something.....i really dont care at
all because the folks that will buy what i offer understand exactly
what i have said here and certainly can make up their own
minds....Dario i luv you man and you ask that question and knew that
no one on planet earth had the videos to show a little girl in her
sexual state as who has videos of adults doing snuff movies....but you
want to cast doubt....fuck the truth....just exactly like i
stated....i knew all the girls that frequented many nudist camps for
many years and most all the pedos you will read about in nikki
craft...nudist hall of shame....so just accept it that way and if you
feel i missed the mark do indicate but anything you say is pure
speculation also....i have never been proved a liar so after ten years
that says something about my character.....sure more than 1 out of 2
is a hell of alot of girls being molested but you have to consider the
many that have been molested in family nudism that was not known by
folks other than the in crowd and management...and there may be some
in the incestuous family units that no one knows about...i tried to
infiltrate a nudist family situation in utah where the fundy mormans
are located but was unsuccessful....of course we can all figure that
they were molesting their children but there of course is no
documentation ...folks dont post for those type pictures......of
course the usa is a wild west chaotic drug drinking party when it
comes to nudity and sex ....to mild and calm at other times and
places......you cannot imagine what you would uncover if you were not
a promoter figure and really was interested in what you were
persuing......what else can i say......jz
Zee
> On Mar 27, 2:02 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Where can you provide the statistics that 1 in 2 girls have been molested at
> > nudist places?
>
> > --
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Dario Western
>
> > Home: (07) 3267-0099
> > Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> > Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
xyt...@googlemail.com
>
> Dario....i know that is a hard hitting figure ....but family nudism is
> sorta like a gang of terrorist that are located in the hills and so
> far has not broken any laws to allow folks in to have a look
> see......the behavior they demonstrate is not palatable to the 99
> percent which keeps out most folks.....ie nakedness......and if a
> person announced they were going to do a survey for journalism....then
> they would not be welcome to do so....now just what i have said also
> does not have proof and you know something.....i really dont care at
> all because the folks that will buy what i offer understand exactly
> what i have said here and certainly can make up their own
Surely the truth is, one in every 520 words of your posts are likely
to corrupt / deprave / bore someone rigid in consequence of which the
English language should be banned and all who use it be branded as
pervs.
Er, if it was the English language.
I can't believe you've devoted 10 years of your life to whatever-it-is-
you're-on-about yet with not even a rudimentary grasp of keyboard
skills to show for it.
Bit sad, really.
Zee
well my writing is designed to indicate who the dummies are....Sir
Riden Dario and Anna have no problem interpreting....could be my
writing will prove to the world that caps and punuation is a waste of
keys on keyboards....in the meantime it gives me valuable information
of who might be offended and they are blessed by not understanding
what i am saying.....so whatschabitchin about.....jz
FLTom
wrote:
> It's from the book Understanding Sex.
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> news:fa5f3089-3ab9-47f2...@w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 25, 12:13 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
>
> Who produced this Q and A? On a hot topic like pedophilia, it's not
> enough to just present data wrapped in authoritative language. You've
> also got to show that the data comes from a credible source.
A book with the title "Understanding Sex" does not appear on Amazon.
Please provide more information, e.g., author(s), publisher, date or
publication.
FLTom
Should be "date of publication"
stinso...@hotmail.com
<peterg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It is unlikely that Catholic priests would have any connection with
>naturism as it is strictly against their religion.
Horse shit.
-T.
stinso...@hotmail.com
wrote:
From the National Institute of Mental Health:
Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD), also known as Pervasive Developmental
Disorders (PDDs), cause severe and pervasive impairment in thinking,
feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. These
disorders are usually first diagnosed in early childhood and range
from a severe form, called autistic disorder, through pervasive
development disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS), to a much
milder form, Asperger syndrome.
-T.
stinso...@hotmail.com
<dariow...@nospambigpond.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>There are some Catholic priests involved with naturism. The best known ones
>were the late Rev. Jim Dodge, and Rev. William Peckenpaugh who is now doing
>time in prison for sexually abusing a young Romanian boy whom he adopted
>from a refuge to bring to America.
Bill was a member of the Old Catholic Church, a Christian denomination
that split from the Holy See in the 1870s, which is not part of the
Roman Catholic Church.
-T.
Lane
@e38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
Speaking of Zee...
> I can't believe you've devoted 10 years of your life to whatever-it-is-
> you're-on-about yet with not even a rudimentary grasp of keyboard
> skills to show for it.
>
> Bit sad, really.
>
Just a bit? I'm surprised the loony bin he's likely confined to even lets
him use a computer.
Lane
Lane
news:ctkqs45csjrprrgb1...@4ax.com:
So I trust your point was to confirm the poster to whom you replied,
since, um, that's what you did.
Lane (who wasn't paying enough attention to know who was on who's sides)
stinso...@hotmail.com
<absolu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So I trust your point was to confirm the poster to whom you replied,
Yes. I was also going to add that, in my experience, Asperger's exists
on a continuum, from highly functional to barely functional, but I
didn't get that far. The range of Spectrum Disorders, and what is or
should be included, has been under debate for years, with some
researchers suggesting that Attention Deficit/ Hyperactive Disorder
should be included as well.
-T.
Terry J. Wood
@newsfe11.ams2:
> <....most girls you find in nudism have been molested...i
> < am saying more than 1 out 2 have been ....jz
> and yet, not one iota of proof for such a stupid
> statement......................
Actually there's LOTS of "proof", if by proof you mean web pages that make
claims.
For example have a look at http://www.oneinfourusa.org/ where they will
claim that "One in four college women have survived rape or attempted
rape."
That's 25% of the female population.
The trick is in how you define "rape".
Ask Z how he defines "molested". Maybe just seeing a naked person counts
as "molestation".
Terry J. Wood
@newsfe11.ams2:
> But....his stories are not good...........
Be "he" works so hard on them.
stinso...@hotmail.com
<Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>For example have a look at http://www.oneinfourusa.org/ where they will
>claim that "One in four college women have survived rape or attempted
>rape."
>
>That's 25% of the female population.
If they include sexual molestation/assault, I'd guess their numbers
are fairly accurate, if not a tad low. That being said, no data has
ever shown the rate for nudist children to be as high, let alone
higher, than the national statistics.
-T.
Neosapienis
is available anymore.
--
Best wishes,
Dario Western
Home: (07) 3267-0099
Mobile: (0437) 428-859
Web Page: http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
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"FLTom" <beck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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David Looser
> Dario....i know that is a hard hitting figure ....but family nudism is
> sorta like a gang of terrorist that are located in the hills and so
> far has not broken any laws to allow folks in to have a look
Zee, in case you hadn't noticed, child molestation IS against the law, and
is regarded as a particularly serious offence. So it's make your mind up
time, are more than 50% of children molested, or have these "terrorists" not
broken any laws.
> ....now just what i have said also
> does not have proof and you know something.....i really dont care at
> all because the folks that will buy what i offer understand exactly
> what i have said here and certainly can make up their own
> minds....
So you just hope that if you throw enough mud some of it will stick. You are
probably right, there are a lot of ignorant people out there who know
nothing about nudism who may well buy into your lies. But of course they
don't read rec.nude. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
> ....i have never been proved a liar so after ten years
> that says something about my character.....
But then you've never been able to prove that anything your said is the
truth either. Proof is a tough matter, the only way to "prove" anything is
to have cast-iron evidence, and you are always vague with your claims, vague
enough to make it impossible to "prove" you wrong. Equally, though, vague
enough to make it impossible for you to prove them right. In the end it's
all a matter of personal credibility, and you have none.
David.
Zee
wrote:
> "Zee" <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
David...i dont believe in aliens from another planet and i do believe
that the alternating eliptacle pattern of the solar system determines
the ice age occurances and that mans activities have had little effect
on future or global warming.....and you can defend and fret and whine
all you want about nakedness of a child and a pedo not having anything
to do with the ultimate magnate that brings these sexual attractions
to come together and common sense in the end is all we have to form
conclusions that it is probably true that this stage of nakedness
having been set by perverts like you does cause the rate of child
adult sex to happen more frequently than anywhere else on the
planet....i know you do not want to think in these terms but this is
the way humans calculate the unknowns and then of course with actual
factual observations does allow for final conclusions.....maybe that
hymen that God instatlled on the female helps a little in forming this
conclusion but infiltrate the child naked world and their wanton
behavior and you might learn something....in the meantime finish your
nap....jz
FLTom
wrote:
> It was published in the UK in 1985 by Marshall Cavendish, and I don't think
> is available anymore.
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> news:abbf6121-fb01-4136...@h28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 27, 3:00 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's from the book Understanding Sex.
>
> > --
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Dario Western
>
> > Home: (07) 3267-0099
> > Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> > Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"FLTom"
> > <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:fa5f3089-3ab9-47f2...@w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 25, 12:13 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi all,
>
> > Who produced this Q and A? On a hot topic like pedophilia, it's not
> > enough to just present data wrapped in authoritative language. You've
> > also got to show that the data comes from a credible source.
>
> A book with the title "Understanding Sex" does not appear on Amazon.
> Please provide more information, e.g., author(s), publisher, date or
> publication.
The Marshall Cavendish website doesn't list the book. What is the ISBN
(the number inside the flap of the book)? I find it odd that you gave
me the publisher but not the author(s).
If you presume to post authoritative material, you've got to be
prepared to identify the source. It's not merely simple courtesy.
Acting cagey about a source is always a strong indicator that the
source lacks credibility. In many if not most cases it means some kind
of prior investigation into the source has revealed damaging
information that undermines the very authority the poster is trying to
assert.
David Looser
> If you presume to post authoritative material, you've got to be
> prepared to identify the source. It's not merely simple courtesy.
> Acting cagey about a source is always a strong indicator that the
> source lacks credibility. In many if not most cases it means some kind
> of prior investigation into the source has revealed damaging
> information that undermines the very authority the poster is trying to
> assert.
I am unclear as to your motive in trying to discredit the material that
Dario posted as it seems to me to be no more than received wisdom on the
subject. Do you disagree with it? If so what do you think are the real
facts?
David.
Dan Abel
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote:
I not only disagree with it, I find it very offensive. Do you have
children? Do you love children (that's what the word "paedophilia"
means, according to the post)? Are you "generally satisfied with
affectionate cuddling"? According to the first paragraph, "What is
paedophilia?", you fit the criteria for being a pedophile! Every normal
parent does.
The whole quote, IMNSHO, is an apology for pedophelia. How about "in
most reported cases of paedophilia, the children could have avoided that
experience"?
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Zee
> In article <73b967Ftvgk...@mid.individual.net>,
> "David Looser" <david.loo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > "FLTom" <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
ahhh come on all you perverts of the worst kind....cuddling a kid is
wholesome tender kind and necessary to normal development....but to
allow a naked child to be in the presense of other nude folks where
pedophilia is being manufactured to the nth degree is child abuse to
the nth degree.....this thread does not address what you folks are
really guilty of and all you pervs want to do is divert the dialogue
to something that is off topic for rec nude family nudism.....anyone
with an ounce of common sense knows that a child is a sexual being and
from 6 or 7 years of age to 10 or 11 ..the kid see adults acting in
sexual exhibitionism and this excalates into sexual turn on for the
child...and this age child reacts to their turn on and of course
adults turned on react ..and a sexual encounter is lookin for a place
to happen...as masturbation begins to happen..and coitus and oral sex
can result...this naked sexual behavior does not happen in the
textiles world..so..lets get to talkin about this fact of reality and
forget the textile world ...regards......jz
Trucker_18a
> objections to family nudism is concerned. Sadly, there have been
> paedophiles involved in the nudist movement around the world, but
> there is also a lot of myth and ignorance which surrounds this sad
> sexual interest. Parents are naturally anxious to protect their
> children from being molested, and warn them not to talk to strangers
> or accept sweets from them. Here, for once and for all are the facts
> about it.
>
> "Q: What is paedophilia?
>
> It is surprising to many people to learn that, strictly speaking, the
> word 'paedophilia' does not mean 'sex with children' but 'love of
> children', and research does seem to suggest that very few
> paedophiles want actual intercourse with children.
> Although there are cases of intercourse between an adult and child,
> 85 to 90% of all sexual experiences with adults take the form either
> of exhibitionism, such as 'flashing', or of having their bodies
> touched and that the percentages for boys are probably the same.
> Other research has found that there are some paedophiles who have
> never wished for direct sexual contact with children. Instead, they
> are generally satisfied with affectionate cuddling.
>
> Q: Who are paedophiles?
>
> Much myth and confusion surrounds paedophiles themselves. Many
> people think of them as 'dirty old men', and it is certainly true
> that paedophilia, like other sexual deviations, attracts men frar
> more than it does women. However, by no mens are paedophiles all
> elderly. It seems that they can be divided into three age group:
> adolescence, the middle to late thirties and old age - the last,
> surprisingly enough, comprising the smallest category.
>
> Whilst most paedophiles are men, there have been cases of women
> seducing children, and some people have suggest that our social
> customs may perhaps lead us to ignore paedophilic behaviour in women
> and to accuse men wrongly. In our soicty, it is acceptable for a
> woman to talk to, kiss, or cuddle other people's - sometimes
> stranger's - children; if a man, who simply likes children, does this,
> he risks being labelled paedophilic.
>
> Most parents believe their children to be in the greatest danger from
> strangers. However, research has shown that the majority of
> paedophiles are known to the chld. A study of 79 cases found that
> 34% of adults involved were teachers or social workers, 30% were
> religious figures such as clergymen, choirmasters or Sunday School
> teachers, and another 20% were youth leaders or scout masters. Only
> 2% were strangers to the child - most of the remaining 14% were
> either family friends or relatives known and trusted by the child.
>
> Like other sexual deviants, paedophiles may not be exclusively
> attached to their deviation. Some at least can, and do, maintain
> relationships with adult partners, though their main sexual interests
> will be directed towards children. (Although recent research
> suggests that, in a few cases at least, it is possible to increase
> the paedophile's interest in adult sexual partners).
>
> Though some studies have found evidence of psychological disturbance,
> there is little evidence to suggest that paedophiles are
> psychologically different, except for their sexual likings, from the
> rest of humanity. They seem to be generally physically healthy, and
> most studies have found few signs of aggressive beahviour or severe
> personality disorder.
>
> Q: What are the causes of paedophilia?
>
> Psychological abnormability does not seem to be the usual cause of
> paedophilia, but some psychologists have suggested that paedophiles
> may differ from other people in the way they regard the world of
> adults and children. Paedophiles seem to see people chiefly in terms
> of whether they are innocent or sophisticated, submissive or
> dominant. To a paedophile, adult women seem especially dominating
> and, to some extent, sophisticated and therefore frightening. In
> contrast, he sees children as submissive and innocent.
>
> There is no evidence that people are born with tendencies to
> paedophilia. Studies of paedophiia and other sexual deviations
> indicate that such attitudes are more likely to be caused by events
> in childhood, which make paedophilic behaviour likely but do not
> produce it unless a person's normal sexual development is blocked in
> later life. For instance, the paedophile may lack the social skills
> necessary to put him sufficiently at ease with adults to attract them
> sexually. In support of this idea is the fact that the peak ages at
> which paedophilic behaviour ocurs - adolescence, the approach of
> middle age and old age - are those when normal sexual outlets are
> likely to be blocked, though without the necssary childhood
> experiences, it is unlikely that paedophilia will develop.
>
> Q: Who are the victims?
>
> A recent survey in Britain found that some people believe that
> paedophiles can be sexually interested in children as young as two
> years old. In fact, a paedophile is usually attracted by the pre-
> pubertal child of between seven and 14 years. It seems that the pre-
> pubertal appearance of the child is very important, and when a
> paedophile can also sustain a sexual relationship with an adult, he
> will most often choose a slightly-built person. In addition, there
> is evidence that many paedophiles are very much turned *off* children
> who are growing pubic hair and by boys whose voices are breaking.
>
> So the man who is turned on by the schoolgirl image is NOT a
> paedophile. He is more likely to be a fetishist who is mainly
> interested in the traditional gym-slip uniform. In his fantasies the
> girl will be between 16 and 18 years old and will always be wearing
> school uniform - a fantasy girl without clothes will not attract him
> half so much.
>
> Both boys and girls can be victims of paedophilia, though some people
> have suggested that a paedophile is more likely to be a homosexual.
> However, homosexual paedophilia may seem more common because of the
> number of offences committed by men who work with boys - scout
> masters, schoolmasters, youth workers - who may have little chance to
> meet young girls. Because these men hold positions of trust with
> children, their crimes may appear more shocking and so may be more
> highly publicized than similar crimes against girls. Other peple
> have aruged that since we do no know how many paedophiles there are
> in the population, heterosexual paedophiles might just as easily be in
> the majority. We do not know.
>
> When paedophilia takes place it is seldom simply a case or rape or
> assault of a child by an adult which the child could have avoided.
> This does happen of course, but one study has concluded that in most
> reported cases of paedophilia, the children could have avoided that
>
> This is not to say that children initiate or encourage sexual
> involvement with adults - though there are almost certainly a very
> few such sexually precocious children. Children may allow the
> attentions of adults simply because they do not realise that what is
> happening is wrong and that they should object. Most parents warn
> their children not to talk to or accept car rides from strangers, but
> rarely explain exactly why strangers are dangerous.
>
> Children are capable of sexual feelings and they may not connect a
> sexual experience with their parents' warning. The situation is
> further confused because so few paedophilic assaults are in fact
> committed by strangers. We tell our children to obey older people
> because adults know best, so it is not really surprising if children
> do not reject the sexual advances of, say, the local clergymen or
> social worker, who is not only an adult but is also a trusted figure
> in the community.
>
> Q: What is the effect on the child?
>
> Ideally, a sexual experience should take place between equals, and so
> in cases of paedophilia - even when the child does not resist - there
> is an imbalance which some people believe may well harm a child's
> later sexual development.
>
> Many psychologists today believe that such harm can be considerably
> reduced if any investigation into an incident is carried out
> unemotionally and calmly. It may be difficult for parents to
> remember this when they discover their child has been sexually
> molested, but it DOES seem to be true that when there is a dramatic
> family scene, with mother crying and father threatening to kill the
> man or woman involved, the effect on the child is likely to be more
> disturbing than that of the sexual experience itself.
>
> The research which has produced this evidence is very recent, and it
> maybe that the effects of this kind of childhood experience may not
> appear for many years. However, when children whose parents behaved
> calmly are compared with children whose parents did not, it appears
> that the advice to keep calm is extremely valid.
>
> Q: How do we treat paedophilia?
>
> Many of the techniques used to treat other sexual deviations have
> been used successfully in cases of paedophilia. However, with
> deviations such as fetishism and sado-masochism, the therapy is
> designed not to remove the deviation entirely, but to give the man
> alternative ways of obtaining sexual pleasure and the ability to come
> to terms with his deviation. There can be no such compromise in
> treating paedophilia, since it is a crime in many countries.
>
> As a result, therapy must not only remove the paedophilic behaviour
> but also replace it with allowed sexual activity. In some cases,
> training in social skills has been given to help the paedophiles make
> normal sexual approaches to adults. However, although success has
> been reported with convicted offenders in prisn (where, perhaps, any
> sympathetic treatment would be helpful), little is known about
> whether any improvement is maintained in the outside world. In
> short, although doctors and psychologists have had some success in
> treating paedophilia, and research into the area is continuing, we
> still ahve a very long way to go before it is possible to 'cure' ...
>
> read more »
Really appreciate the researches.
Currently, on several sites that I am a Member of, Debates rage on,
over the situation of a Public Erection, and the question of whether a
male should excuse himself from the gathering until the event passes
on, cover his erected penis, or continue with his activities.
Posts vary the full spectrum of imaginations, from those by kids and
teens over text messages, to those by Senior Citizens, as I.
Yes, for any Man not to Appreciate Beauty, at any age: and, Erotic
Modelings (Defined) is Licensed in Nevada at 11 years old; there
should be an assessment of the motives, as is noted here.
Again, as a legal para-professional, I thank you for your
clarifications.
STANDARD FORM SEVEN
Terry J. Wood
> How about "in
> most reported cases of paedophilia, the children could have avoided that
> experience"?
They could have avoided the experience if the pervert was already in jail.
Terry J. Wood
71a056...@c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Currently, on several sites that I am a Member of, Debates rage on,
> over the situation of a Public Erection, and the question of whether a
> male should excuse himself from the gathering until the event passes
> on, cover his erected penis, or continue with his activities.
Perhaps he could continue if he was engaged in the olympics -- in the pole
vault.
FLTom
wrote:
> "FLTom" <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
The poster presented material as authoritative without providing a
source. That's a red flag right there. The source is the first matter
to take under consideration whenever evaluating any material for
quality and reliability.
The material itself raises red flags in some of the phrases selected,
and in the general tenor of the presentation. I have a sneaking
suspicion the authors have a history of research in the field that
tends to be warmly received in pedophile circles. I'd like to find out
who they are. That's my motive.
Lane
9e26eb...@d19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> The poster presented material as authoritative without providing a
> source. That's a red flag right there. The source is the first matter
> to take under consideration whenever evaluating any material for
> quality and reliability.
I didn't read the material in question, but I would clarify what you
have said here.
If you are talking about points of fact, then the authority and
credibility of the source matters.
If you are talking about an argument itself (where the facts are not in
dispute and we merely care about what one concludes from them) then I am
much more interested in the power of the argument than who is making it.
Lane (just saying)
FLTom
> FLTom <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:b5a7e19a-0e38-4c9f-bd37-
> 9e26ebc42...@d19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
The material in question is at the top of the thread.
To properly evaluate medical and psychological research data, a good
understanding of the credibility, authority and peer acknowledged
expertise of the source is essential.
The poster has dodged my requests to name the author(s) for several
days. Therefore it's impossible to know if they're legitimate
objective scientists or just hacks with an agenda and a facility for
wrapping that agenda in scientific sounding language, or (my guess)
some in-between hybrid.
Jenny6833A
> In article <73b967Ftvgk...@mid.individual.net>,
>
> > "FLTom" <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:65cf3300-961b-4001...@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > If you presume to post authoritative material, you've got to be
> > > prepared to identify the source. It's not merely simple courtesy.
> > > Acting cagey about a source is always a strong indicator that the
> > > source lacks credibility. In many if not most cases it means some kind
> > > of prior investigation into the source has revealed damaging
> > > information that undermines the very authority the poster is trying to
> > > assert.
>
> > I am unclear as to your motive in trying to discredit the material that
> > Dario posted as it seems to me to be no more than received wisdom on the
> > subject. Do you disagree with it? If so what do you think are the real
> > facts?
>
> I not only disagree with it, I find it very offensive. Do you have
> children? Do you love children (that's what the word "paedophilia"
> means, according to the post)? Are you "generally satisfied with
> affectionate cuddling"? According to the first paragraph, "What is
> paedophilia?", you fit the criteria for being a pedophile! Every normal
> parent does.
Dan, I think you're overlooking a few distinctions.
1) Most adults who love children are at least harmless to children
and are usually highly beneficial. Simply loving children is not a
crime, nor is it a crime to show affection in harmless ways.
Pedophile (original meaning, before obfuscation set in) is not a
pejorative word.
2) Most adult pedophiles do _not_ abuse children, sexually or
otherwise. Most adults who _do_ abuse children, sexually or
otherwise, are not pedophiles.
3) Parents who love their own children (not all parents do) do not
necessarily love all children or even most children. The words
"parent" and "pedophile" are not synonomous.
In short, pedophilia does not equate to child abuse, and child abuse
does not equate to pedophilia.
> The whole quote, IMNSHO, is an apology for pedophelia. How about "in
> most reported cases of paedophilia, the children could have avoided that
> experience"?
That quote doesn't make sense. It should read, "in most reported
cases of adult-child sexual contact, the child could have avoided the
experience."
If we changed "most" to "many" I'd regard the above statement as true
- assuming the parents had done as good a job of teaching about the
dangers of adults as they do about the dangers of automobiles.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
> da...@sonic.net
:-)
Jenny
David Looser
> The poster presented material as authoritative without providing a
> source. That's a red flag right there. The source is the first matter
> to take under consideration whenever evaluating any material for
> quality and reliability.
As a rule people only start quibbling about that sort of thing when they
disagree with some of the conclusions arrived at.
> The material itself raises red flags in some of the phrases selected,
> and in the general tenor of the presentation.
Care to enlighten us as to which phrases you had in mind, and how they raise
"red flags"?
> I have a sneaking
> suspicion the authors have a history of research in the field that
> tends to be warmly received in pedophile circles. I'd like to find out
> who they are. That's my motive.
You seem as keen to remain vague about your motive as Dario was about the
source. How about answering my question?
David.
David Looser
news:dabel-D23B82....@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>
> I not only disagree with it, I find it very offensive. Do you have
> children? Do you love children (that's what the word "paedophilia"
> means, according to the post)? Are you "generally satisfied with
> affectionate cuddling"? According to the first paragraph, "What is
> paedophilia?", you fit the criteria for being a pedophile! Every normal
> parent does.
I didn't realise that there was anyone these days who was unaware of the
literal meaning of "paedophilia". Be offended by it if you like, it doesn't
change the facts.
>
> The whole quote, IMNSHO, is an apology for pedophelia. How about "in
> most reported cases of paedophilia, the children could have avoided that
> experience"?
>
I didn't see that sentence. I'm not claiming to have read the original with
great care, so I could have missed it. But most of what I saw, for example
about most child abuse being carried out by people already known to the
child, often family members, simply re-stated what I have read so often
before.
David.
Zee
wrote:
> "FLTom" <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
David....you are trying to keep the train on the track.....thats
good.....however to accomplish that feat rec nude posters must realize
that the question that is pertinent to family nudism is....does a
naked child sometimes turn on a male and if that is true ...is he a
pedophile.....if a person does not turn on to the child sexually then
they are not considered to be a pedophile....and it could be true that
a child can turn on a pedophile that may not indicate this truth at
camp.....as a child masturbating at camp when lookin intensely at a
mans dick and the man gets an erection....is that not absolute proof
he is a pedophile....and is this not the proof needed to prove he is
a pedophile....of course a male could be a pedophile and not achieve
an erection unless he is masturbating or someone else is masturbating
him.....this goes along the lines of a true nudist ....one who only
gets an erection if masturbated....jz
Neosapienis
I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
"Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in Britain in
1985.
No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
I cannot access Amazon.com at the moment so I can't tell if the book is
still available, but you might be able to get it through ebay. It's still a
very good book which talks about every aspect of sex, including an article
on nudity in the first chapter when it comes with explaining sex to young
children.
--
Best wishes,
Dario Western
Home: (07) 3267-0099
Mobile: (0437) 428-859
Web Page: http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
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"FLTom" <beck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2360a8eb-0648-4a64...@q16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
FLTom
wrote:
> Hi Florida Tom,
>
> I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
> "Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in Britain in
> 1985.
>
> No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
>
> I cannot access Amazon.com at the moment so I can't tell if the book is
> still available, but you might be able to get it through ebay. It's still a
> very good book which talks about every aspect of sex, including an article
> on nudity in the first chapter when it comes with explaining sex to young
> children.
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
OK finally got a name. There's zero --- zip --- information on "Sandy
Carr" which would lead one to believe he or she is a bona fide expert
on pedophilia or the psychology of sex. The book itself is about 25
years old, and was published in the UK only. ISBN databases have no
record of the book, which means it's a very obscure publication.
Why anybody would go to all the trouble to post citations from that
book as if they were authoritative pronouncements on the pathology of
pedophilia is beyond me. "Sandy Carr" has no more credibility on the
subject of pedophilia than a 14 year old boy swapping stories with his
buddies in Junior High School.
The citations selected, as I said in an earlier post, are the kind
likely to be warmly received by pedophiles, because they tend to
downplay the crime of pedophilia and emphasize the psychological
dilemma of the offender, even to the extent of suggesting shared
responsibility for the crime between offender and victim. This kind of
stuff is music to the ears of pedophiles.
So let's review: 25 year old data; source totally unreliable;
pedophile-positive slant.
Sounds like the kind of post that could have come straight out of
NAMBLA.
Zee
> On Mar 31, 7:24 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Florida Tom,
>
> > I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
> > "Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in Britain in
> > 1985.
>
> > No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
>
> > I cannot access Amazon.com at the moment so I can't tell if the book is
> > still available, but you might be able to get it through ebay. It's still a
> > very good book which talks about every aspect of sex, including an article
> > on nudity in the first chapter when it comes with explaining sex to young
> > children.
>
> > --
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Dario Western
>
> > Home: (07) 3267-0099
> > Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> > Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> - Show quoted text -
eer ah rec nude tooooo...but while we are on the subject.....can we
consider things that are happening nowadays that just seem a little
tiny bit warped .....for instance....taxation on cigarettes which
amounts to taxation on the poor making less than 250.000....seems our
president forgot his pledge ....where is the outrage.....why not
alcoholic beverages....lives are destroyed by the
consumption....drunks hit buses with children in them and they all
die....families are destroyed by alcohol.....and on and on....the user
is prone to liver diseases and heart disease and on and on.....yet no
call for taxes ........hmmm.....so the country has a problem with tooo
much debt of some..including the govt and the us cannot compete on
products abroad...hmmmm....solution.....let all bankrupsies happen
naturally....and those companies can re emerge with no unions and all
those laid off folks by then will get sick and tired of food stamps
and will be willing to work in an ac plant for say 15 dollars an hour
with no other benefits and the auto could cost less than a foreign car
for americans to buy which would include removing the import taxes on
all good hitting our shores....let industry do it right this time...do
not even think of letting your business be union ized...what a great
time to accomplish this feat when sooo many folks are available to
choose from to work for you.....soooo these are some of the things
that might make a child think the world is well on the road to total
insanity....now florida tom could it be that the victim rights of
children is just a tiny bit off center when a person can be given a
life sentence for touching but not penetrating a childs crotch ..and
is denied the right to confront the accuser......just a little bit off
center... huh......jz
Jenny6833A
> On Mar 31, 7:24�am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Florida Tom,
>
> > I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
> > "Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in Britain in
> > 1985.
>
> > No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
>
> > I cannot access Amazon.com at the moment so I can't tell if the book is
> > still available, but you might be able to get it through ebay. �It's still a
> > very good book which talks about every aspect of sex, including an article
> > on nudity in the first chapter when it comes with explaining sex to young
> > children.
>
> > --
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Dario Western
>
> > Home: (07) 3267-0099
> > Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> > Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
It seems to be a 25 year old book. The information and views in 25-
year-old books may or may not be valid today.
> ... source totally unreliable ...
The source seems to be without easily verified credentials. We don't
know if the source is reliable until we compare the data and the
conclusions to those of neutral professionals today.
> ... pedophile-positive slant.
I see nothing wrong with putting a positive slant on people who break
no law. Moreover, I recall nothing in the article that could be
interpreted as positive towards those who do commit crimes.
If an article (on any topic) is accurate, the fact that the
information therein differs from the ignorant beliefs of the
hysterical masses doesn't justify labeling the article as having a
"slant."
As I expressed in a post several days ago, I personally don't think
the article Dario posted is all that well done or adequately up to
date. However, it comes a lot closer to the views of neutral
professionals in the field than what one reads in the popular press,
on the web, from the haters in our society, or from those among the
ignorant, hysterical masses who are aching to hunt witches.
:-)
Jenny
Dan Abel
<328e597b-19b7-4bc4...@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
FLTom <beck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 7:24 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Florida Tom,
> >
> > I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
> > "Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in Britain in
> > 1985.
> >
> > No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
> >
> > I cannot access Amazon.com at the moment so I can't tell if the book is
> > still available, but you might be able to get it through ebay. It's still
> > a
> > very good book which talks about every aspect of sex, including an article
> > on nudity in the first chapter when it comes with explaining sex to young
> > children.
Thanks for the information that you provided, Dario. Perhaps the other
information in the book is more to my liking, but I didn't much like the
information that you posted. There may be some bias on my end, as I
knew a four year old girl (I was her Sunday School teacher) who was
severely molested.
> OK finally got a name. There's zero --- zip --- information on "Sandy
> Carr" which would lead one to believe he or she is a bona fide expert
> on pedophilia or the psychology of sex. The book itself is about 25
> years old, and was published in the UK only. ISBN databases have no
> record of the book, which means it's a very obscure publication.
>
> Why anybody would go to all the trouble to post citations from that
> book as if they were authoritative pronouncements on the pathology of
> pedophilia is beyond me. "Sandy Carr" has no more credibility on the
> subject of pedophilia than a 14 year old boy swapping stories with his
> buddies in Junior High School.
Perhaps Dario will choose to respond to this, perhaps not. This seems
to be the kind of book that a kid will find on a family bookshelf. I
know that Dario is not originally from Australia, so perhaps this book
came with the family. I don't remember if his family came from the UK,
but I wouldn't be surprised.
> The citations selected, as I said in an earlier post, are the kind
> likely to be warmly received by pedophiles, because they tend to
> downplay the crime of pedophilia and emphasize the psychological
> dilemma of the offender, even to the extent of suggesting shared
> responsibility for the crime between offender and victim. This kind of
> stuff is music to the ears of pedophiles.
That's how it struck me, but evidently, not Dario and Jenny. I was
curious to see what Lane posted, but he started off with "I didn't read
the material in question". He then went on to make a couple of points,
neither of which I thought were very applicable to this particular
writing.
> So let's review: 25 year old data; source totally unreliable;
> pedophile-positive slant.
I'm just not seeing how this writing was useful to nudists, especially
parents and children.
> Sounds like the kind of post that could have come straight out of
> NAMBLA.
I'm not sure about that, but maybe so. I really would like to know what
the "slant" of this book is. Perhaps taken in context with the rest of
the book it is useful. Taken by itself, as I claimed before, it seems
like an apology for pedophilia.
Terry J. Wood
news:J3nAl.1773$Bm1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
> "Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in
> Britain in 1985.
> No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
Perhaps the book can be bought at this site:
http://www.biblioz.com/lp25764163424_0
It looks like the book sells for $46 Australian dollars ($31 US).
Terry J. Wood
88a9be...@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> OK finally got a name. There's zero --- zip --- information on "Sandy
> Carr" which would lead one to believe he or she is a bona fide expert
> on pedophilia or the psychology of sex.
Sandy Carr appears to be an editor of books ranging from books on knitting
to books on cheese to a book on sex:
Terry J. Wood
5fc4ea...@s22g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> or from those among the
> ignorant, hysterical masses who are aching to hunt witches.
You say this as if it was a bad thing.
Jenny6833A
<snip>
> > The citations selected, as I said in an earlier post, are the kind
> > likely to be warmly received by pedophiles, because they tend to
> > downplay the crime of pedophilia and emphasize the psychological
> > dilemma of the offender, even to the extent of suggesting shared
> > responsibility for the crime between offender and victim. This kind of
> > stuff is music to the ears of pedophiles.
>
> That's how it struck me, but evidently, not Dario and Jenny.
Dan, Dan, you're just not listening! Pedophilia is NOT a crime.
There is no law anywhere in the USA (or in any other civilized
country) criminalizing pedophilia. Use a dictionary, damn it.
A pedophile is one who loves children, just as an anglophile loves the
England and the English, and as a francophile loves France and the
French. Recently, quite recently, most dictionaries have given in to
public misuse of the the term and now define pedophile to mean
"sexually _attracted_ to children." See, for example, www.dictionary.com.
However, it is not against the law to be sexually attracted to
children as long as one doesn't rape or otherwise sexually molest
children. (Hey, I've got a confession to make. I'm sexually
attracted to adult men, which is also not against the law so long as I
don't rape any of them, which I haven't.) (Well, after an incident
last week, my husband might most happily disagree. <G>) The point
here, which both David and I are trying to make, is that pedophile
does NOT mean one who sexually abuses children. Moreover, most adults
who do abuse children, sexually or otherwise, are NOT pedophiles.
Please, please, save your anger for those who DO in fact sexually
abuse/molest/rape children and for those who beat them, starve them,
and so on.
Please, please take aim at the right targets!
:-)
Jenny
Dan Abel
<12d22698-21c8-4f8c...@j18g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Jenny6833A <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 2:34?pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > The citations selected, as I said in an earlier post, are the kind
> > > likely to be warmly received by pedophiles, because they tend to
> > > downplay the crime of pedophilia and emphasize the psychological
> > > dilemma of the offender, even to the extent of suggesting shared
> > > responsibility for the crime between offender and victim. This kind of
> > > stuff is music to the ears of pedophiles.
> >
> > That's how it struck me, but evidently, not Dario and Jenny.
>
> Dan, Dan, you're just not listening! Pedophilia is NOT a crime.
> There is no law anywhere in the USA (or in any other civilized
> country) criminalizing pedophilia. Use a dictionary, damn it.
Well, I did, although *after* I posted:
"a person who is sexually attracted to children"
> A pedophile is one who loves children, just as an anglophile loves the
> England and the English, and as a francophile loves France and the
> French. Recently, quite recently, most dictionaries have given in to
> public misuse of the the term and now define pedophile to mean
> "sexually _attracted_ to children." See, for example, www.dictionary.com.
>
> However, it is not against the law to be sexually attracted to
> children as long as one doesn't rape or otherwise sexually molest
> children. (Hey, I've got a confession to make. I'm sexually
> attracted to adult men, which is also not against the law so long as I
> don't rape any of them, which I haven't.) (Well, after an incident
> last week, my husband might most happily disagree. <G>) The point
> here, which both David and I are trying to make, is that pedophile
> does NOT mean one who sexually abuses children. Moreover, most adults
> who do abuse children, sexually or otherwise, are NOT pedophiles.
>
> Please, please, save your anger for those who DO in fact sexually
> abuse/molest/rape children and for those who beat them, starve them,
> and so on.
Thanks for the correction. You are perfectly correct.
But I'm still suspicious of them!
Jenny6833A
<snip>
Whew! My world is back in normal orbit again.
:-)
Jenny
Terry J. Wood
1dbf27...@r5g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> My world is back in normal orbit again.
Which one is that again?
FLTom
> FLTom <becke...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:328e597b-19b7-4bc4-9dc2-
> 88a9beb54...@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > OK finally got a name. There's zero --- zip --- information on "Sandy
> > Carr" which would lead one to believe he or she is a bona fide expert
> > on pedophilia or the psychology of sex.
>
> Sandy Carr appears to be an editor of books ranging from books on knitting
> to books on cheese to a book on sex:
>
> http://www.librarything.com/author/carrsandy
I saw the stuff about the knitting and cheese. The Sandy Carr who
authored the knitting books and the one who edited Understanding Sex
are probably two different people, neither of whom were well known
enough to have much information about them ever make it to the
internet. I can't say for sure, of course, without spending more time
on the question than it deserves, but that would be my guess. The
knitting and cheese stuff and the sex book are from roughly the same
time period, but the publishers are different.
In any case, even if the same person wrote or edited it all, none of
it credentials Carr as an expert on pedophilia.
Zee
tom....the objective of pedophilia is to get down where the rubber
meets the road....wow what in hell am i talkin about....a person
wanting to write a book about adult sex can go to a few swing parties
and i have been there and done that back in seventies in the hollywood
hills.....but where on planet earth...dont even think of mentioning
that indiana queer......where a child is raised to be rather free to
experiment with sex and be naked throughout the process.....ah now you
understand....if that process happened out in the open air and inside
and all around at the pace the child enjoys....now you figured it
out ...it would most likely be a nudist environment camp or
club.......a lab or structured tutored or otherwise process will gain
no intelligence on the natural behavior of the sexual child.....but of
course the nudist know this fact and know their environment is unique
and so all good nudist must censor any ol nudist that saw a lot of
this sexuality demonstrated....no that sandy was not a nudist at a
nudist environment....so her information has no value in the natural
world.....and also females that were sexually free and abused as
children tend to raise their child and grandchild to be free and if
rape occurs because things went wrong they will look for a man to be
the boyfriend of their child..and this woman may not have had whoredom
for gain in mind...but the whore that raises her daughter to be a
whore raises her daughter about the same...but there is a difference
as nymphomania can be a factor...on the non whore in some
cases...there must be a deep need for sexual attention that these
women long for..... these are subjects that should be explored
also....but remember family nudism offers all the answers and you must
know where the nudist are coming from....KEEP IT
CENSORED...regards....jz
Neosapienis
> Thanks for the information that you provided, Dario. Perhaps the other
> information in the book is more to my liking, but I didn't much like the
> information that you posted. There may be some bias on my end, as I
> knew a four year old girl (I was her Sunday School teacher) who was
> severely molested.
The article is not indicting every Sunday School teacher on the planet, but
sadly there have been accounts of some of them molesting children.
>> OK finally got a name. There's zero --- zip --- information on "Sandy
>> Carr" which would lead one to believe he or she is a bona fide expert
>> on pedophilia or the psychology of sex. The book itself is about 25
>> years old, and was published in the UK only. ISBN databases have no
>> record of the book, which means it's a very obscure publication.
>>
>> Why anybody would go to all the trouble to post citations from that
>> book as if they were authoritative pronouncements on the pathology of
>> pedophilia is beyond me. "Sandy Carr" has no more credibility on the
>> subject of pedophilia than a 14 year old boy swapping stories with his
>> buddies in Junior High School.
>
> Perhaps Dario will choose to respond to this, perhaps not. This seems
> to be the kind of book that a kid will find on a family bookshelf. I
> know that Dario is not originally from Australia, so perhaps this book
> came with the family. I don't remember if his family came from the UK,
> but I wouldn't be surprised.
I bought the book in 1987 at a second hand bookshop which no longer exists.
My family came out to Australia from the UK in 1982, but none of them have
read the book.
>> The citations selected, as I said in an earlier post, are the kind
>> likely to be warmly received by pedophiles, because they tend to
>> downplay the crime of pedophilia and emphasize the psychological
>> dilemma of the offender, even to the extent of suggesting shared
>> responsibility for the crime between offender and victim. This kind of
>> stuff is music to the ears of pedophiles.
>
> That's how it struck me, but evidently, not Dario and Jenny. I was
> curious to see what Lane posted, but he started off with "I didn't read
> the material in question". He then went on to make a couple of points,
> neither of which I thought were very applicable to this particular
> writing.
The article is not written by an apologist for paedophilia. If anything,
the reverse is true.
>> So let's review: 25 year old data; source totally unreliable;
>> pedophile-positive slant.
>
> I'm just not seeing how this writing was useful to nudists, especially
> parents and children.
Because sadly some paedophiles have been known to be attracted to family
nudist places, and we have unfortunately had a few of them on this NG before
who are thankfully long gone now. Family nudists cannot afford to be
complacent about it, because it can and does happen.
>> Sounds like the kind of post that could have come straight out of
>> NAMBLA.
>
> I'm not sure about that, but maybe so. I really would like to know what
> the "slant" of this book is. Perhaps taken in context with the rest of
> the book it is useful. Taken by itself, as I claimed before, it seems
> like an apology for pedophilia.
I definitely disagree with that. If you guys have issues with this article,
then I suggest you write to the people at Marshall Cavendish. I posted it
on here verbatim.
Trucker_18a
> "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com> wrote innews:J3nAl.1773$Bm1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
>
> > I mentioned a couple of days ago that the source was a book called
> > "Understanding Sex" which was published by Marshall Cavendish in
> > Britain in 1985.
> > No authors are credited for the book, but the editor is Sandy Carr.
>
> Perhaps the book can be bought at this site:
>
> http://www.biblioz.com/lp25764163424_0
>
> It looks like the book sells for $46 Australian dollars ($31 US).
I am following this with an acute interest. Not because one of the
Founders of the City of Miami was a Nudist, and I was an employee of
his, not because naked kids are brats without clothes, and at my age,
not because "George" still works, which he don't, but because of the
fact that nobody yet has brought up STDs, on this thread.
When we were kids, the grocery stores had a small pamphlet at the
check-outs, in full public view, with nudity on the front page, does
anybody here remember "Sexology"?
Well, my parents always bought the current one, and made sure we read
it.
There wasn't any shame in my childhood over being "naked".
I have a brother and sister, both younger.
The simple reality is this, 'it' is being discussed, for the good or
bad, and that's a good thing.
I don't care if anybody here calls me a lieing, back stabbing, double
dealing, porn freak, with a bent for being snobbish, just don't call
me ignorant. I joined the Group, knowing that their were individuals
who want to look at their world with Rose Colored Glasses they made
for themselves, and that's perfectly acceptable to me, matter of fact,
I'd like to borrow them.
Because I have had to clean public toilets, among other "Service" jobs
to put meat and bread on my table, gas in my tank, and I don't care if
it's a kids' crap, or they're folks, it still has to be cleaned up.
So, come down from that ivory tower, folks, I believe it was an act of
courage to put this negative a subject up for Public intercourse, and
I'll again say, thank you for the Researches, I have read passages
similiar in context to this linquistic structure, and my thirst for
the comprehensions of the Issue is not sated, when in fact, as a
Carnival Worker, I was very aware of the "Age of Consent", in various
States that had these laws, but I do hope that the reader understands,
that nearly all didn't, until the late 90's. The ones that did,
before these years, placed "Age of Consent" around 11 or 12 years of
age, male or female.
Today, such is considered Heresy of the highest order.
I'm still in disbelief over the public outcry over "Sexting".
The why is H.I.V.. It's on the verge of morphing into something as
common as a cold.
I like reading about a plague, I don't want to be involved with one.
Zee
if nobody committed sexual sins and bathed properly regularly.....
there would be no hiv or need for child sex education....jz
xyt...@googlemail.com
> David...i dont believe in aliens from another planet and i do believe
> that the alternating eliptacle pattern of the solar system etc ad nauseum
>
For someone who spends so much time here demanding that others face
the truth / the reality of whatever-the-hell-it-is you're banging on
about, why can't you be honest yourself??
The line "I don't believe in aliens from another planet" -- authored
as it so obviously is by someone from another planet -- doesn't fool
anybody.
Even when every elipticating alternate is taken into account.
Zee
nauseum...banging on....taken into account....what are you talkin
bout.....do you walk in your sleep....jz
Neosapienis
Seeing as you have claimed to be a Christian on a number of occasions on the
NGs, you will find that in the Bible there are some accounts of extra
terrestrial beings present on the Earth during the time of the OT.
Do some research on the Nephilim, as well as the origins of the talking
serpent. The prophet Ezekiel also talks about seeing a chariot with lights
in the sky one night - clearly a reference to UFOs.
Added to that, Jesus was half ET as well having been conceived by a human
mother and an ET father. If we are really the most intelligent and advanced
beings in the entire universe, then why can't we do the things that Jesus
did?
Man's activities have had some impact on climate change issues such as
cutting down rainforests which produce oxygen and sustain animal life,
burning fossil fuels, releasing CFCs into the atmosphere, dumping toxic
waste into our waterways, causing oil spills in the oceans, and mass
producing items that are not beneficial either to the environment or our
health.
In the Bible it states that "God will destroy those who destroy the Earth."
But it seems like mankind's selfish ambitions is saving God the trouble by
doing it on its own steam.
--
Best wishes,
Dario Western
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"Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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On Mar 29, 8:01 am, "David Looser" <david.loo...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "Zee" <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> > Dario....i know that is a hard hitting figure ....but family nudism is
> > sorta like a gang of terrorist that are located in the hills and so
> > far has not broken any laws to allow folks in to have a look
>
> Zee, in case you hadn't noticed, child molestation IS against the law, and
> is regarded as a particularly serious offence. So it's make your mind up
> time, are more than 50% of children molested, or have these "terrorists"
> not
> broken any laws.
>
> > ....now just what i have said also
> > does not have proof and you know something.....i really dont care at
> > all because the folks that will buy what i offer understand exactly
> > what i have said here and certainly can make up their own
> > minds....
>
> So you just hope that if you throw enough mud some of it will stick. You
> are
> probably right, there are a lot of ignorant people out there who know
> nothing about nudism who may well buy into your lies. But of course they
> don't read rec.nude. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
>
> > ....i have never been proved a liar so after ten years
> > that says something about my character.....
>
> But then you've never been able to prove that anything your said is the
> truth either. Proof is a tough matter, the only way to "prove" anything is
> to have cast-iron evidence, and you are always vague with your claims,
> vague
> enough to make it impossible to "prove" you wrong. Equally, though, vague
> enough to make it impossible for you to prove them right. In the end it's
> all a matter of personal credibility, and you have none.
>
> David.
David...i dont believe in aliens from another planet and i do believe
that the alternating eliptacle pattern of the solar system determines
the ice age occurances and that mans activities have had little effect
on future or global warming.....and you can defend and fret and whine
all you want about nakedness of a child and a pedo not having anything
to do with the ultimate magnate that brings these sexual attractions
to come together and common sense in the end is all we have to form
conclusions that it is probably true that this stage of nakedness
having been set by perverts like you does cause the rate of child
adult sex to happen more frequently than anywhere else on the
planet....i know you do not want to think in these terms but this is
the way humans calculate the unknowns and then of course with actual
factual observations does allow for final conclusions.....maybe that
hymen that God instatlled on the female helps a little in forming this
conclusion but infiltrate the child naked world and their wanton
behavior and you might learn something....in the meantime finish your
nap....jz
Zee
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>
> - Show quoted text -
the world is in a state of bankruptsy and overpopulation is the
culprit....so with no money and too many people that could have been
controlled and you think we all of a sudden have become wise enough to
save us...... running out of oxygen....naw naw....too late and oxygen
as well as plenty of salt water to make fresh water can all be taken
care of by machine technology....so God told us how to live and we
disobeyed so repent and accept the punishment.....jz
David Looser
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> Hey jonZeee,
>
> Seeing as you have claimed to be a Christian on a number of occasions on
> the NGs, you will find that in the Bible there are some accounts of extra
> terrestrial beings present on the Earth during the time of the OT.
>
we've got ufo-ologists, or whatever they're called.
> Do some research on the Nephilim, as well as the origins of the talking
> serpent. The prophet Ezekiel also talks about seeing a chariot with
> lights in the sky one night - clearly a reference to UFOs.
<sarcasm mode on>
Oh clearly!
<sarcasm mode off>
All that stuff could mean anything, or nothing, just like Nostradamus and
Revelation. There's no "clear" meaning at all.
David.
xyt...@googlemail.com
person happens to live -- or lived.
Mills & Boone "novels" of the 1950s are reputedly considerably
different to chick-lit of the 1990s (I guess the '50s version was more
literate.)
The social mores, prejudices and perceptions of the era (and, to large
extent, the location) in which various elements of The Bible were
written are far removed from today's world.
Thus the fairy stories of Adam and Eve and apples, and Virgin Births,
and seven day Creation, and other such stuff: fascinating as insights
into a far-distant past, but of no literal meaning at all.
One day Society might mature to the stage where it realises that
religion is neither the definer of nor the monopoly-holder on
"goodness", though by the looks of it, we're a long way off that
yet.
Lane
d5bbbb...@v19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> I believe it was an act of
> courage to put this negative a subject up for Public intercourse
Tee hee. He said "intercourse".
Lane (who suffers self-importance impatiently)
Terry J. Wood
news:Xns9BE2AF3F6A7Fab...@85.214.105.209:
> Tee hee. He said "intercourse".
Good one, Bevis!
stinso...@hotmail.com
<Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Lane <absolu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:Xns9BE2AF3F6A7Fab...@85.214.105.209:
>
>> Tee hee. He said "intercourse".
>
>Good one, Bevis!
Peter would approve.
-T.
Neosapienis
When I read a couple of books about his works in 1990, these were the things
they predicted would happen:
i) Bombing of New York (happened in 2001)
ii) War in the Balkans (happened during the 90's)
iii) Catholicism in decline (already happening)
iv) New York's water supply poisoned (not sure about this one yet)
v) War in the Middle East (the rise and fall of Saddam Hussein, as well as
attacks on Palestine)
vi) Germ warfare using bombs containing the anthrax virus (not sure when
this will happen)
So, I don't think *ALL* of Nostradamus' works can be discounted.
Revelations however was written at one particular time of human history and
many of the prophecies have already been fulfilled, though of course some
money hungry doomsday cult preachers love to quote it out of context to lure
the weak and vulnerable.
--
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"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Neosapienis
that have caused me to be sexually inactive.
It's just lack of money and being a bit overweight that is, plus the girls I
know are either already taken or I'm not interested in them in a sexual
sense.
--
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Dario Western
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"Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 12:28 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
wrote:
> Now THAT'S an idea, maybe I should it forward to him and retire to that
> nice
> million dollar farm out in Caboolture. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Zee"
> <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
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> On Mar 25, 10:02 pm, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > JonZeee,
>
> > "Dario has info on a pedo with a hard on and a little girl being
> > interested
> > in this pedo by
> > keeping company with him....Dario i am sure knows the guy and made an
> > attempt to meet him and know him as he was accepted at the nudist swim
> > as being harmless....Dario could enlighten you guys on that
> > situation....."
>
> > I know the guy, and he is not a paedophile. It was his first time at a
> > nudist place and I don't think anybody told him how to behave when he
> > got
> > a
> > hard on. He also has Aspergers Syndrome, which is a very severe form of
> > autism, and as a result is not often aware of or considerate of the
> > thoughts
> > and feelings of other people around him. Prior to meeting him at the
> > swims,
> > he got booted from a couple of nudist groups for persistently asking the
> > female members if they were shaved, and if it is okay to stare at their
> > vaginas whilst they are lying down on the beach. Like, duh, of course
> > it's
> > not!
>
> > Being the good Samaritan I went out of my way to meet this guy in person
> > and
> > talk to him, and he is nothing in real life as to what he writes on the
> > Net.
> > He's actually very shy to the point of being stand-offish and gets cross
> > when other people tell him to be more sociable.
>
> > "it seems to me a naked guy with a hard on and naked
> > female being friendly to one another is a case where if she grabs hold
> > of his dick and does not let go real fast like ...this could be
> > undstood as being sex or am i just the 800 lb gorilla in the
> > room....what do i know......jz"
>
> > The girl you are referring to was 10 years old at the time, and I have
> > never
> > seen her misbehaving at any nudist places I've seen her at. She's now 16
> > and still a nudist.
>
> > With the exception of the guy who grabbed my balls a few years ago, I
> > have
> > heard a couple of stories of kids who have grabbed adult men's dicks at
> > nudist places but they were only toddlers who don't know any better.
>
> > --
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Dario Western
>
> > Home: (07) 3267-0099
> > Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> > Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
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>
> well all i can say ...is if oreily reads this it could make you a
> million aire....in other words just tell him what you have said above
> and also tell about the boy that also was sick when jackin off and
> lookin at the naked girls playin...try to think of the details of that
> also as reported to you and this could revolutionize family nudism for
> ever as most all parents would want to bring their kids to your club
> including the baptist and the prime minister kids would be there for
> sure and of course the nude beach protesters would all be
> there....what a deal.....jz- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
....well now i know i have as well as you a medical disorder and all
those sexy little girls also .....with the disorder and at the same
time women all over the world are being treated for lack of interest
in sex....and maybe this disorder is found in the blood stream and it
could be injected to these poor females and maybe some of mine and
your blood could be injected in all these impotent males and and
and....or at least get viagra to pay us royalty to keep it off the
market......and and look at all the fun could be had at the nudist
camps and and and.....jz
Zee
wrote:
> I don't get what you are saying here. I don't have any medical disorders
> that have caused me to be sexually inactive.
>
> It's just lack of money and being a bit overweight that is, plus the girls I
> know are either already taken or I'm not interested in them in a sexual
> sense.
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> news:fdd30057-2a36-4757...@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 26, 12:28 am, "Neosapienis" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Now THAT'S an idea, maybe I should it forward to him and retire to that
> > nice
> > million dollar farm out in Caboolture. ;-)
>
> > --
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Dario Western
>
> > Home: (07) 3267-0099
> > Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> > Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
>
> > well all i can say ...is if oreily reads this it could make you a
> > million aire....in other words just tell him what you have said above
> > and also tell about the boy that also was sick when jackin off and
> > lookin at the naked girls playin...try to think of the details of that
> > also as reported to you and this could revolutionize family nudism for
> > ever as most all parents would want to bring their kids to your club
> > including the baptist and the prime minister kids would be there for
> > sure and of course the nude beach protesters would all be
> > there....what a deal.....jz- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ....well now i know i have as well as you a medical disorder and all
> those sexy little girls also .....with the disorder and at the same
> time women all over the world are being treated for lack of interest
> in sex....and maybe this disorder is found in the blood stream and it
> could be injected to these poor females and maybe some of mine and
> your blood could be injected in all these impotent males and and
> and....or at least get viagra to pay us royalty to keep it off the
> market......and and look at all the fun could be had at the nudist
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dario.....i was trying to go along with your way of thinking about the
disorder of guys with hard ons....you said the guy that came to the
swim and had the hard on with the 10 year ol girl had a
disorder....and i said he was a pedo...so i agreed with you and that
this disorder would be a God send for mankind...no need for
viagra....and you have had the erections as well as i....so which is
it a sexual attraction to naked females or a disorder....i admit i am
a pervert and luv em from 9 to 90....Dario have you ever seen those
two little magnate dogs that every 3 rd grader brings to school that
if you sit em on the table facing one another they crash into one
another....that is the like the sexual attraction between little girls
and men.....instead of being boy crazy ...nudism shows them the
advantage of being man crazy.....regards.....jz
Terry J. Wood
$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> So you think that Nostradamus' predictions are a load of hogwash?
I think they're bad poetry from a guy high on opiates who is staring
into a pale of water, late at night, and sees things in the water. Yes,
he used to go up into his "study", get high and hallucinate. Then he'd
write this bad poetry about what he saw.
(BTW, I think this is how Bernie Madoff made his "investments") :-)
Nostradamus' first few quatrains give you a clue to this:
"Sitting alone at night in secret study;
it is placed on the brass tripod.
A slight flame comes out of the emptiness and
makes successful that which should not be believed in vain."
"The wand in the hand is placed in the middle of
the tripod's legs.
With water he sprinkles both the hem of his garment
and his foot.
A voice, fear: he trembles in his robes.
Divine splendour; the god sits nearby."
Of course, if you REALLY want to understand Nostradamus, I suggest that
you take the original 17th century French quatrains and run it through
Yahoo's Babel Fish (formerly AltaVista’s Bable Fish)!
Then it makes MUCH more sense! :-)
Neosapienis
"i admit i am a pervert and luv em from 9 to 90....Dario have you ever seen
those
two little magnate dogs that every 3 rd grader brings to school that
if you sit em on the table facing one another they crash into one
another....that is the like the sexual attraction between little girls
and men.....instead of being boy crazy ...nudism shows them the
advantage of being man crazy.....regards.....jz"
So you get turned on by pre-pubescent girls and women who are way past their
prime? Ewwwwww!
And I don't know any pre-pubsecent nudist girls who are sexually attracted
to older men either. I've seen some engage in friendly conversation with
them, but that doesn't mean that they have any sexual interest in them. The
idea that they do exists only in your head, and nobody else's.
--
Best wishes,
Dario Western
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Zee
wrote:
> Hey everyone, listen to what he just said, in case you missed it:
>
> "i admit i am a pervert and luv em from 9 to 90....Dario have you ever seen
> those
> two little magnate dogs that every 3 rd grader brings to school that
> if you sit em on the table facing one another they crash into one
> another....that is the like the sexual attraction between little girls
> and men.....instead of being boy crazy ...nudism shows them the
> advantage of being man crazy.....regards.....jz"
>
> So you get turned on by pre-pubescent girls and women who are way past their
> prime? Ewwwwww!
>
> And I don't know any pre-pubsecent nudist girls who are sexually attracted
> to older men either. I've seen some engage in friendly conversation with
> them, but that doesn't mean that they have any sexual interest in them. The
> idea that they do exists only in your head, and nobody else's.
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dario Western
>
> Home: (07) 3267-0099
> Mobile: (0437) 428-859
>
> Web Page:http://www.myspace.com/fatpizzaman
Dario.....i will have to be coaxed rather stongly to keep from
agreeing with jenny on anything and now you tell us that you have
never seen a 9 or 10 year ol girl that acted in one way turned on by
an adult.......did you not see some of the pics in alt binaries
pictures nudism and it showed a close up of a girl or girls with a
hard clit.now they are gone but you saw them....oh ok go ahead and say
you never saw them...and i cant hardly wait but those pics were taken
by little kids.....now jenny is going to read this and this
strengthens her case of you being flaky.....and that little girl was
like reading a book and the guy with the hard on was reading one
too..and they occassionly looked each other in the eye ....and did you
know for sure that she did not have a hard clit.....well there you can
say that in case you cant think of how to respond to me......jz
Terry J. Wood
$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> So you get turned on by pre-pubescent girls
I have a hard time believing that Z exists. I suspect like division by
zero, he's pretty much undefined.
If he really existed, wouldn't he be in a hall o' shame somewhere?
Wouldn't he be the exception that would prove the rule? (Or be USED to
prove the rule?)
From what I've heard, curators of such halls are not interested in adding
him to their museums. I suspect even they don't believe he exists. Or
perhaps they KNOW it.
John Goodwillie
stinso...@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:47:21 GMT, "Neosapienis"
> <dariow...@nospambigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >There are some Catholic priests involved with naturism. The best known ones
> >were the late Rev. Jim Dodge, and Rev. William Peckenpaugh who is now doing
> >time in prison for sexually abusing a young Romanian boy whom he adopted
> >from a refuge to bring to America.
>
> Bill was a member of the Old Catholic Church, a Christian denomination
> that split from the Holy See in the 1870s, which is not part of the
> Roman Catholic Church.
>
> -T.
Strangely, although Bill Peckenpaugh described himself simply as an Old
Catholic bishop, and implied that he was a bishop of the fairly well
known Old Catholic Church that split from Rome in the 1870s (actually,
it had originated earlier but was greatly expanded in the 1870s) - e.g.
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2VDQIOXO5XN6V?ie=UTF8&display
=public&page=7
- his diocese, the Old Catholic Diocese of Oregon, was actually not part
of this Old Catholic church, but rather one of a number of small
offshoots of varying origins, see
http://www.kentaurus.com/domine/catholic.htm#asterisk
The main Old Catholic Church is identified on this as "Old Catholics
(International Old Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Union of
Utrecht)".
John
Richard C.
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> When we were kids, the grocery stores had a small pamphlet at the
> check-outs, in full public view, with nudity on the front page, does
> anybody here remember "Sexology"?
============================
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/magazine/?magname=Sexology
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/Sexology/1-1959/cover.jpg
I actually still have several of these.
R
Richard C.
> ....i admit i am
> a pervert and luv em from 9 to 90....Dario have you ever seen those
> ....that is the like the sexual attraction between little girls and men
====================
Kind of says it all about the sicko little man called jz!