Nudists rubbing genitals together at nudist events?
NudeAmerica
rubbing her crotch and chest against another nudist at a recent nudist
event in the Boston area:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/1077473.html?
"he had the great idea of doing "body transfer" painting where i
painted onto his chest then we rubbed against one another like in
lithography or silk screen/monotype where you roll ink with a round
thing...we rubbed in circular motions our bodies so we matched! the
funniest part was doing our croth area! we did t his in front of the
pool area with lots of people around laughing slong with us! so cool!"
Is this allowed at nudist events?
KingWilliam...@gmail.com
Dario Western
No, it's just some wild woman's imagination.
Dario Western
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Bill S
them. Why is it that we humans tend to believe a story if its more
outrageous than we could imagine? I believe what you read was just fantasy.
Bill S in AZ
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Clan_MacKay
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Richard C. wrote:
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> "Dario Western" <dario....@nospampowerup.com.au> wrote in message
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> > No, it's just some wild woman's imagination.
> >
> >
> > Dario Western
> =========================
> Not really.
>
> She is a performance artist and has recently become interested in nudism.
> http://www.shannonkringen.com
> ===========================
I read through her site and it seems that although she has recently
become interested in nudism and just recently has started to go to
nudist events, she has been been involved in nudity for quite a while
(I also did a Google search on her). It is like what has often been
discussed in here. The fact that you can be nude without being a
nudist. Nudism has a whole philosophy behind it. It is not merely the
act of being nude but the mindset you have while you are nude.
So, while it seems that she has only started being interested in nudism
a short time ago, she has been involved in being nude for quite a
while. She poses nude for art classes. She has a cable public
television show where she has frequently appeared nude. But again, her
nudist activity has only started recently.
The point is, that you could almost understand why she would do it
given that she might not still be fully aware of the whole mindset and
ettiquete behind nudism. But still, what about the person she did it
with? And also it seemed like it was done fully in public where a bunch
of other people were watching and cheering them on. Why didn't someone
from the group there gentle pull her aside and say "we don't do that
here. That isn't what we are about". Instead it sounds like the only
feedback they gave her was approval of her activity.
It is a sad state of affairs where someone could do something like this
at a nudist event full of nudists and the only response she gets is
encouragement for her actions.
Sad, sad, indeed.
By the way, here is where it happened at.
nw1...@yahoo.com
Richard C. wrote:
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> "NudeAmerica" <nudi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > And just because something seems outrageous doesn't mean it didn't
> > happen. People in the Pacific Northwest nudist groups will tell you
> > that this "performance artist" really does this stuff.
> >
> ==================================
> I am not sure that I approve of her activities in this case, but I have
> mixed feelings.
>
> hence:
> If the human body is wholesome. If nudism is innocent.
> If all parts of the human body are "ok".
> Then what is the actual problem with her "art"?
Some parts of the body have "functions". A Man and a Woman rubbing
genitals together have implications. It is certainly something children
(or really the rest of us) shouldn't expect to see at a Nudist event.
She should have been gently taken aside and had it explained to her
that "nudists don't do that type of stuff at our events". Instead she
was in a crowd full of nudists and the only feedback she got was
positive. Disturbing indeed.
I could see how she could have made such a "mistake" as although she
used to work at a strip joint in Seattle called "the Lusty Lady", often
is shown nude in her public access television show, and works as a nude
model for art classes, she has only recently got into "nudism". For as
we have discussed many times here, it takes more than appearing naked
around others to be a nudist. It takes a different mindset.
But to do this in front of a large gathering of nudists, and receive
approval for her actions, well, it is very concerning indeed. Is this
the direction of the modern nudist movement?
Floyd Baker
wrote:
>And just because something seems outrageous doesn't mean it didn't
>happen. People in the Pacific Northwest nudist groups will tell you
>that this "performance artist" really does this stuff.
It seems this was a 'performance' then...?
A parody? A show to entertain? Lots of them around you know..?
We're all adults... Even most kids are these days...
Floyd
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Jenny6833A
> Why is it that we humans tend to believe a story if its more
> outrageous than we could imagine?
I sure agree with that!
But I'm surprised Bill S wrote it.
Of course, I may have him confused with someone else.
:-)
Jenny
Jenny6833A
Depends on the spirit in which it's done, and on the results of the
doing.
Nudists do a lot of stuff that non-nudists (and the more stuffy of the
Christian Naturist types) automatically assume means something that
isn't intended and in fact isn't there.
If you're of the opinion that what's described just HAD to be sexual in
intent and just HAD to have a sexually stimulating result, I'd put you
among the stuffy ones.
Learn to distinguish form from substance. All is not what it seems,
and especially not always what it seems to you.
:-)
Jenny
Floyd Baker
wrote:
>Ok, so rubbing crotches at nudist events is okay if it's titled as
>performance art?
Well..., if everyone's laughing..., I guess it isn't really *sex*, eh?
Do people laugh when you're trying to have sex?
NudeAmerica
Karl Kleinpaste
> Well..., if everyone's laughing..., I guess it isn't really *sex*, eh?
<*blink*> Um, what?
Since when does sex not lead to happy emotional expressions?
> Do people laugh when you're trying to have sex?
As a matter of fact, yes.
If your sex life doesn't induce you to smile, giggle, laugh, and
otherwise express enjoyment of what you do, then I regret to suggest
that you have a drastically disappointing sex life. Laughter is in a
proper subset of the goings-on that (should) happen during good sex.
There is a great deal about sex that, though it makes for good
physical sensation and close emotional bonding, is still silly and
absurd and unexplainably peculiar. Laughter follows naturally.
With that said... On the one hand, I wouldn't much care for such
behavior at a specifically-nude venue; but on the other hand, I
wouldn't get very worked up about it.
E R
sexually aroused; maybe it was innocent between them that time however
unlikely that seems.
She does call herself goddess. Is that a rejection of all law which
presumes to bind her?
Apart from the thoughts of the performer, of the 0-year-old man who
either was sincere or came up with a dandy come-on, and of the audience,
there is the issue of the body. I think touching the genitals to each
other carries a risk of disease transmission which even wearing a condom
does not stop. So only a husband and wife should have such contact and
only with each other, childbirth excepted. Each of these two should
forfeit medical privacy to the other for a long enough period to know
whether there was any disease exposure. That should be standard
operating procedure throughout the U. S., in my opinion. And it should
chain. Anyone else she rubs against that way should forfeit medical
privacy not only to her but to all those with whom she has done that in
several years. I know. Ugh! But the body does outrank clothes, skins
(for you leather wearers), and privacy.
How innocent was the audience? Did they get turned on sexually? Did they
want to have sex with the performer?
All of us have the Old Adam. That makes such activity suspect.
Walther called dancing "belly-rubbing". What would he have called this?
Any help at all, Richard?
NICB
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Re: Nudists rubbing genitals together at nudist events?
Group: rec.nude Date: Fri, Jul 1, 2005, 5:53pm (CDT-2) From:
post...@spamcop.net (Richard C.)
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"NudeAmerica" <nudi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And just because something seems outrageous doesn't mean it didn't
happen. People in the Pacific Northwest nudist groups will tell you that
this "performance artist" really does this stuff.
nw1...@yahoo.com
E R wrote:
> Richard asked below what the problem was. Maybe neither of them got
> sexually aroused; maybe it was innocent between them that time however
> unlikely that seems.
>
> She does call herself goddess. Is that a rejection of all law which
> presumes to bind her?
No, that is just a way for her to be a little silly. In actuality she
suffers greatly from a low self esteem and she seems really self
absorbed.
> Apart from the thoughts of the performer, of the 0-year-old man who
> either was sincere or came up with a dandy come-on, and of the audience,
Shannon can be excused (somewhat) for her inexperience in the world of
nudism (as opposed to being nude in front of people which she has done
quite often for a long time in her life). I don't know about how long
the man had been around nudism, but it sure did seem like a come-one,
admittedly one that she was all too willing to accept.
But, the audience, I am sure that there must have been some long time
nudists in the mix there. And for not even one of them to gently take
Shannon aside and tell her that such stuff isn't appropriate at a
nudist venue, that is very bothersome indeed.
In fact, what makes this even worst it seemed like the crowd enjoyed
what Shannon was doing with the guy and gave her encouragement and
positive feedback. Exactly the opposite of what they should have done.
A crowd full of nudists, all approving of what was going on (or at
least most seeming to approve and none of them publicly (or even to
Shannon privately) raising any objections to it. I find that reflects
very negatively on the direction that the nudist movement is taking in
America.
> there is the issue of the body. I think touching the genitals to each
> other carries a risk of disease transmission which even wearing a condom
> does not stop.
That was certainly a big risk that Shannon was taking. I don't know if
she realized the dangerous health position she was placing herself in.
> So only a husband and wife should have such contact and
> only with each other, childbirth excepted. Each of these two should
> forfeit medical privacy to the other for a long enough period to know
> whether there was any disease exposure. That should be standard
> operating procedure throughout the U. S., in my opinion. And it should
> chain. Anyone else she rubs against that way should forfeit medical
> privacy not only to her but to all those with whom she has done that in
> several years. I know. Ugh! But the body does outrank clothes, skins
> (for you leather wearers), and privacy.
Well, I to some extent believe you get what you deserve. People should
of course be educated to the risks of certain behaviours (of course
most are now) but if they know the health risks and they do it anyway,
then they get what's coming to them.
> How innocent was the audience? Did they get turned on sexually? Did they
> want to have sex with the performer?
Of course you can be turned on sexually without actually wanting to
carry out a desire to have sex with the performer.
> All of us have the Old Adam. That makes such activity suspect.
Yes, and regardless of whether the audience was turned on sexually, it
was reasonable to expect that the behaviour would generate a sexual
response in those who watched it.
Also, if such behavior is tolerated, then more people would do it. The
question you need to ask is would you want your young child or teenaged
daughter to do this with some male? If Shannon can do it, then children
and teens might get the idea that this is an ok nudist activity and
start doing it as well.
D. Kirkpatrick
"Clan_MacKay" <ford7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> NudeAmerica wrote:
> > I came across the journal of this self-proclaimed nudist, who details
> > rubbing her crotch and chest against another nudist at a recent nudist
> > event in the Boston area:
> >
> > http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/1077473.html?
> >
> > "he had the great idea of doing "body transfer" painting where i
> > painted onto his chest then we rubbed against one another like in
> > lithography or silk screen/monotype where you roll ink with a round
> > thing...we rubbed in circular motions our bodies so we matched! the
> > funniest part was doing our croth area! we did t his in front of the
> > pool area with lots of people around laughing slong with us! so cool!"
> >
> > Is this allowed at nudist events?
There have been no events in the Boston area.
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D. Kirkpatrick
"Richard C." <post...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> She is a performance artist and has recently become interested in nudism.
> http://www.shannonkringen.com/
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Floyd Baker
You know..., I don't miss a lot., and I did consider that I laugh
sometimes too, immediately after ...
But weren't we talking about everyone *else* laughing while watching
this couple doing their 'transferring'? I think you might have
mis-understood the situation... The people setting and watching were
not having sex themselves.., as you're suggesting might justify the
laughter.. <g>
The question I put forth was not meant to imply 'satisfactory' sex
either, by any means... :-) I didn't say 'he' smiled and
giggled... I asked if 'other people' laughed... :-) He agrees
that everyone laughs..., more or less... ;->
Btw; aren't you the guy who goes to White Thorn Lodge and is nude most
of the time, but says he is not a nudist? Well, if you can handle
socially nudity, and go to nudist places... I hate to tell you, but
you just might be a nudist after all... I relate to that expression
about if it walks like one and looks like one..., you know? I'll be
at WTL for the VB super bowl... Look for me. I'm 6'5" and have white
hair and an allover... I'll see if I can recognize you too.. I'll
be looking for a duck, right? <g>
Cheers... :-)
Floyd
p.s. Seriously... If you go and if you see me, please say hello.
I'm friendly... :-)
Rev. JW
wrote:
> In article <1120263369.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "Clan_MacKay" <ford7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > I came across the journal of this self-proclaimed nudist, who details
>> > rubbing her crotch and chest against another nudist at a recent nudist
>> > event in the Boston area:
>> >
>> > http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/1077473.html?
>> >
>> > "he had the great idea of doing "body transfer" painting where i
>> > painted onto his chest then we rubbed against one another like in
>> > lithography or silk screen/monotype where you roll ink with a round
>> > thing...we rubbed in circular motions our bodies so we matched! the
>> > funniest part was doing our croth area! we did t his in front of the
>> > pool area with lots of people around laughing slong with us! so cool!"
>> >
>> > Is this allowed at nudist events?
>
> There have been no events in the Boston area.
This was done at a TNS Gathering, ( June 20-26,
2005 Eastern Naturist Gathering Eastover Resort - Lenox, MA
www.eastover.com) This question was also asked on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
but there has been no discussion so far. Also there and witnessed this
event was Mark Story, a frequent contributer of articles for N magazine.
Shannon Kringen does think of herself as a model of sorts and an artist.
She has a PBS show in Seattle which she at times does nude. The link you
have above is missing some of its information as it wraps in some of the
newsreaders. You may need to cut and paste it into your browser but no
matter how many lines this following URL has in your reader, put it back
into one line, no spaces.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/1077473.html?view=5228257#t5228257
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
nw1...@yahoo.com
Rev. JW wrote:
> Shannon Kringen does think of herself as a model of sorts and an artist.
> She has a PBS show in Seattle which she at times does nude.
Not a PBS show. A Cable Access show.
Floyd Baker
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>"NudeAmerica" <nudi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> And just because something seems outrageous doesn't mean it didn't
>> happen. People in the Pacific Northwest nudist groups will tell you
>> that this "performance artist" really does this stuff.
>>
>==================================
>I am not sure that I approve of her activities in this case, but I have
>mixed feelings.
>
>hence:
>If the human body is wholesome. If nudism is innocent.
>If all parts of the human body are "ok".
>Then what is the actual problem with her "art"?
Nothing at all...
As for 'mixed feelings' and 'approving'?
You shouldn't even be thinking of stuff like that...
There are those who apply those same things to you and you are
therefore no better than they when you do the same, eh?
We all have the rights, and our own reasons, for doing things that
harm no one. We need to allow them *all around*.
Floyd
Floyd Baker
>Richard asked below what the problem was. Maybe neither of them got
>sexually aroused; maybe it was innocent between them that time however
>unlikely that seems.
Why is it unlikely? She's supposed to be professional performer.
You think the topless dancers get as turned on as they try to appear?
Ha! They are nudists too, to some degree.., and I've done pretty
much the same thing.
While perhaps not so 'pointedly' as it was described, but it was in
the midst of a pudding toss. But it is still completely arrogant for
someone who wasn't there to say they think it was *highly unlikely*
that it was 'innocent'...
>She does call herself goddess. Is that a rejection of all law which
>presumes to bind her?
There are blond bombshells too... Common for crissake.. We haven't
had any women blow up have we?
>Apart from the thoughts of the performer, of the 0-year-old man who
>either was sincere or came up with a dandy come-on, and of the audience,
>there is the issue of the body. I think touching the genitals to each
>other carries a risk of disease transmission which even wearing a condom
>does not stop.
We are nudists... We are not swingers... The risks of being killed
on the road coming and going from the event must be a hundred times
greater and getting an std by 'rubbing'. Ha! What's next... Fearing
that pheromones carry aids?
>So only a husband and wife should have such contact and
>only with each other, childbirth excepted.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
Oh, excuse me... That wasn't polite, was it.
>Each of these two should forfeit medical privacy to the other for a
>long enough period to know whether there was any disease exposure.
>That should be standard operating procedure throughout the U. S.,
>in my opinion. And it should chain. Anyone else she rubs against that
>way should forfeit medical privacy not only to her but to all those with
>whom she has done that in several years. I know. Ugh! But the body
>does outrank clothes, skins (for you leather wearers), and privacy.
Yes... We should record everyone who screws, and everyone they
screw...
The mormons already have started doing like this..., only their
criteria is 'children produced'... All they have to do is change the
criteria to 'std's passed'... It's a little bigger project perhaps,
but it will also explain how some people have come to think like they
do...
Any syph in your family? <g>
>How innocent was the audience? Did they get turned on sexually? Did they
>want to have sex with the performer?
Of course they did.... Don't you want to have sex with couples too?
>All of us have the Old Adam. That makes such activity suspect.
>
>Walther called dancing "belly-rubbing". What would he have called this?
This post is hogwash?
>Any help at all, Richard?
>
>NICB
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>Re: Nudists rubbing genitals together at nudist events?
>
>Group: rec.nude Date: Fri, Jul 1, 2005, 5:53pm (CDT-2) From:
>post...@spamcop.net (Richard C.)
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>"NudeAmerica" <nudi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>And just because something seems outrageous doesn't mean it didn't
>happen. People in the Pacific Northwest nudist groups will tell you that
>this "performance artist" really does this stuff.
>==================================
>I am not sure that I approve of her activities in this case, but I have
>mixed feelings.
>hence:
>If the human body is wholesome. If nudism is innocent. If all parts of
>the human body are "ok". Then what is the actual problem with her "art"?
Floyd
nw1...@yahoo.com
Floyd Baker wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:51:26 -0500, nka...@webtv.net (E R) wrote:
>
> >Richard asked below what the problem was. Maybe neither of them got
> >sexually aroused; maybe it was innocent between them that time however
> >unlikely that seems.
>
> Why is it unlikely? She's supposed to be professional performer.
> You think the topless dancers get as turned on as they try to appear?
> Ha! They are nudists too, to some degree.., and I've done pretty
> much the same thing.
>
Topless dancers are NOT NUDISTS.
E R
"Depends on the spirit in which it's done, and on the results of the
doing."
========================
She has a point.
Let's be relieved that they did not couple.
E R
sun...@sunclad.com (D. Kirkpatrick)
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Reachable within the last few minutes.
Floyd Baker
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>>>>>>>
Things like this (not EXACTLY this thing) happen all the time at nudist
resorts. That is why they are no place for children.
Nudity is very sexy and people have a tendency to do sexy things when
nude--when clothed too.
But more so when nude.
And take a look at this woman's background--do a search on the net.
She's a long time exhibilitionist who has just infiltrated family
nudist areas and is making them sexier.
No place for children but fun for some adults.
nw1...@yahoo.com
Richard C. wrote:
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>
> <sarasm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1120427639.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Is this allowed at nudist events?
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> > Things like this (not EXACTLY this thing) happen all the time at nudist
> > resorts.
> =============================
> They do NOT happen all the time.
> I have never seen such things.
> I read about the event in question, but did not see it.
> I have never actually witnessed anything like it before.
> You take one small event and make it into something that "happens all the
> time".
> That is what a child would do.
> =============================
>
> > That is why they are no place for children.
> =============================
> Bullshit!
> =============================
>
> > Nudity is very sexy and people have a tendency to do sexy things when
> > nude
> =============================
> Nudity per-se is NOT sexy! Even courts have decided so.
> People at nudist parks do NOT usually do sexy things.
> =============================
>
> >--when clothed too.
> ==========================
> So, we should just keep children away from ALL people?
> ==========================
>
> > But more so when nude.
> ==========================
> Simply not true. Clothing is usually more sexy than nudity.
> ==========================
>
> > And take a look at this woman's background--do a search on the net.
> > She's a long time exhibilitionist who has just infiltrated family
> > nudist areas and is making them sexier.
> =============================
> Exhibitionist? Infiltrated?
> =============================
>
> > No place for children but fun for some adults.
> >
> ============================
> you are so very wrong......................
I am afraid that more and more things like this is happening as nudist
resorts are letting in groups into their clubs who are not exactly
nudists, and who in the name of "art" act in very un family friendly
ways. They are doing that to raise revenue.
Shame on Shannon for what she did. But I put most of the blame on the
people in the crowd not explaining to her that it wasn't appropriate.
After all, it wasn't her idea, it was the guy's and since she wasn't
getting any negative feedback, and since she is new to the nudist
scene, I can understand how she might have thought that "this is what
happens at a nudist resort".
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear NA,
"NudeAmerica" <nudi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I came across the journal of this self-proclaimed nudist, who details
> rubbing her crotch and chest against another nudist at a recent nudist
> event in the Boston area:
> Is this allowed at nudist events?
No, never. It appears to be the sexual fantasy of some non nudist.
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>
>
> I am afraid that more and more things like this is happening as nudist
> resorts are letting in groups into their clubs who are not exactly
> nudists, and who in the name of "art" act in very un family friendly
> ways. They are doing that to raise revenue.
>
> Shame on Shannon for what she did. But I put most of the blame on the
> people in the crowd not explaining to her that it wasn't appropriate.
> After all, it wasn't her idea, it was the guy's and since she wasn't
> getting any negative feedback, and since she is new to the nudist
> scene, I can understand how she might have thought that "this is what
> happens at a nudist resort".
>
Well nw12987, since your mission is done--you can't attend a nudist venue
without it being perfect for you, we bid you a fond farewell. Please don't
let the door hit you in the ass on the way
out...............................
Clan_MacKay
Actually they are no Place for Sarasmile.
"Life is Short, Play Naked!"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/SocialFamilyNudism
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Need-a-Friend-to-talk-to
NudeAmerica
Shannon blameless. From reading her journal, it appears she likes to
do this type of thing and then justify it as "art". There's an entry
in her journal from a prior trip to Amsterdam where she visits a sex
club and takes in some group sex for herself. She describes the raw
gang-bang in pseudo-artistic terms, e.g. "sharing spiritual energy".
At least at a sex club, unlike at a nudist event, one expects such
behavior.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/708628.html
Paul
The comments on Shannon Kringen's activities at the Eastern Naturist
Gathering are being made mostly by people who don't know her and
weren't there. One person took Shannon's account about bodypainting and
turned it into "crotch rubbing."
The painting she did of her and Evan was interesting and worthwhile,
and different from the usual. Yes, I was there. And my goodness, the
genital areas of both were painted! It would be odd if they weren't,
which would draw more attention to them than when they are.
They could be painted in several ways, but many assume it was a scandal
if some body part touched another. (If you think painting genital areas
is itself sexually provocative, then perhaps you've never seen or done
body painting.)
If painting is possible that way (perhaps instigated by Yves Klein in
the early 1960s), then all body parts should be available -- why not?
-- as long as things remain basically non-sexualized, which means with
no significantly *increased* sexual activity. What happened here was
probably no worse than putting on sunscreen.
Naturism is not non-sexual (careful use of words intended) any more
than clothed culture is. (Pardon my negatives.)
Naturists may be as narrow as any anti-nudists. Tut-tutting about an
event you were not present for and have too little information about is
hardly helpful.
Shannon Kringen is a performance artist. What kind, quality, etc. isn't
the point. (It might help to know something about that subject.)
Paul Rapoport
nw1...@yahoo.com
NudeAmerica wrote:
> If there is blame to be distributed in this event, I wouldn't hold
> Shannon blameless. From reading her journal, it appears she likes to
> do this type of thing and then justify it as "art". There's an entry
> in her journal from a prior trip to Amsterdam where she visits a sex
> club and takes in some group sex for herself. She describes the raw
> gang-bang in pseudo-artistic terms, e.g. "sharing spiritual energy".
> At least at a sex club, unlike at a nudist event, one expects such
> behavior.
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/708628.html
Agreed.
We can't hold Shannon blameless on all this.
This was classic Shannon.
All I was saying was that nudists always say that the moment something
like this happens, the nudists always put a stop to it. But that isn't
what happened here. Shannon was allowed to continue with her junk, and
was even cheered on.
Shannon is from the Seattle area. I wonder what the position of the
Seattle area nudist parks would be if she ever set foot there.
nw1...@yahoo.com
Paul wrote:
> Shannon Kringen is a performance artist. What kind, quality, etc. isn't
> the point. (It might help to know something about that subject.)
>
> Paul Rapoport
She is a woman who has a cable access show - that's all. I would hardly
give her the status of "performance artist" although she is a pretty
good photographer from what I can tell from the pictures she posted on
her web site.
She is also a self-absorbed, slightly disturbed, individual.
So, you were there!
Why didn't you explain to her that what she was doing wasn't
appropriate?
nw1...@yahoo.com
It seems like this was his idea.
nw1...@yahoo.com
Paul wrote:
> > Is this allowed at nudist events?
>
> The comments on Shannon Kringen's activities at the Eastern Naturist
> Gathering are being made mostly by people who don't know her and
> weren't there. One person took Shannon's account about bodypainting and
> turned it into "crotch rubbing."
Reading her blog gives one a pretty good idea of who she is. She was
the one who called it "crotch rubbing" and she liked it.
So why the hell didn't you stop her?
All this talk of perverted acts (when they 'rarely occur') being dealt
with harshly by the nudist park officials is just that. TALK!
Is this the direction of the nudist movement?
So long to "family friendly" nudism (if it ever did exist in the first
place).
Mark
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Does this mean you'll get the hell out of here now? So long.........
Clan_MacKay
If she behaves appropriately at the Park where is the Harm?
We know you won't be there.
Clan_MacKay
By whose "Definition", Yours?
we already know that your "Sense" of Right is Skewed.
NudeAmerica
because of the traffic from here. Here is the entry said:
"club paradise"
wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow
i just had the most unique experience of my life. we went to "club
paradise" http://www.club-paradise.nl in amsterdam. it's on
schaafstraat 26. at first i was weirded out. they have a bar with food
and drinks and mirrors all around with sexual films playing on big and
small screens. they have statues of buddha lit up with candles and
classical nudes pouring water in a loving way...there is dry and wet
sauna rooms, a jacuzzi, swimming pool and some private rooms where you
can go and explore in whatever erotic way you want with friends or
strangers. clothing is optional. they recommend dressing sexy or nude.
no drugs are allowed except alchohol. there is one room upstairs where
you can get fucked by strangers if you want. we went up to watch. i
know this sounds very weird- but it felt very natural and safe. no one
touches you unless you make a move. i felt safe with my 3 friends. (one
couple and the guy i am staying with here in holland.) they kept
checking in with me to make sure i was ok- they know how sensitive &
emotional i am. in the bar i suddenly got fed up with the pop music
playing i hated and i began to pound my chest like a gorilla and i
screamed twice...they asked me what was wrong. i blurted out i hate
this music and i don't like this kind of sex. it's shallow and
superficial and i miss having sex with my ex-boyfriend. -and deep down
i was thinking about my 1995 abortion and how part of me regrets that
choice... (the porn videos i was speaking of) watching people fuck does
turn me on in a primal way but not in my heart. they told me they
understood- so we went back into the two saunas- wet with eucalyptus
oil aroma therapy and dry with such intense heat. i sweat out many
toxins in my skin. i can feel it. we had a nice honest sexual chat with
a guy from turkey and a dutch couple...everyone is nude in the sauna.
some people are being sexual and some are just sitting quietly. it's
all very respectful and no one is pushed to do anything. it's all a
choice. i held back a lot- maninly i watched with fascination and waves
of judgement. sex for me is very personal- and serious/sacred...but
part me of sees the light joy it can be with someone you care about.
we swam in the pool when the saunas felt too hot. it was my first time
in a heated lit up pool fully naked. it felt soooooooooooooooooo
goooooooood to float free and swim naked with other people. our torsos
looked beautiful lit up in the turquoise water. i felt like i was in a
church of some kind-being cleansed and transformed. spiritually aware
and alive. in tune with energy beyond my body-yet still enjoying the
sensuality of being manifested as a human body. i love the weightless
feeling of being in water. my boobs all floating felt heavenly. my
whole body relaxed and open. i felt like a DOLPHIN or
mermaid...gracefully spinning/jumping dancing in the pool legs spread.
yum. the water feels great all over your body. flowing. nothing
restricting you. i love the way my hair brushes up against my arms as
it swims with me...and it looks pretty in the pool light...i got a
thrill from being watched from above- there is a balcony/stair case
above the pool- i wish i had my waterproof camera with me to snap pics
of myself nude underwater or with a lover! us both nude. beautiful.
(THEY DON'T ALLOW CAMS IN THERE THOUGH) it's a privacy thing. people
stood around gazing at us in the pool. at moments i felt like a piece
of meat on display and at other moments i felt happy and free and i
enjoyed being appreciated with eyes of strangers and eyes of my 3
friends with me.
we went into a private room- all four of us and locked our door for
privacy. two couples basically. we started with me in the center- they
caressed me all over and kissed me. i don't really wanna write it all
out- it's kinda scared and personal- but we all were making love- and i
held back a lot- in some ways- my natural rhythm seems to be one on one
sexual union with a man...this was different. we were sharing energies.
two males/two females- i listened to all the breathing and was more
aware of my own heart beat and breath. it was more tantra than "sex"
for the sake or orgasm- but witnessing each other come was very lovely.
being vulnerable and from the heart with others- feels very healing to
me. to build trust in human kind...it was very nurturing sexual
tough...what i call "whole grain" touch...
i am proud of myself for being brave enough to join them and open my
heart/mind/body to this experience. i see now how much i am hungry for
human touch and connection with spiritual people who are honest about
their sexuality. i still have a lot to learn about what i really want
verses "what i should want" deemed by our puritanical/sexually
repressed society. i know i would like a primary partner (male) in
life- and i know i need/want to share touch with more than one person.
not sure if it needs to be sexual- once i am in love i tend to only
want to be sexual with that one person...but sharing affection with
others i care about is always a desire of mine. for once i am not going
to try and solve the puzzle of what i want. i will simply keep flowing
with life and see what i learn as i go. i am open to love/beauty and
truth.
it is so refreshing to be in a culture where sexual freedom is normal
and no one has to sneak around. for instance=gay marriage is legal in
holland. it is anywhere else yet? i wish it was world wide. any two
people that wanna get married legally should be able to! i know when i
get back to seattle it will be a shock. i am just starting to get used
to the vibe of this place. i shared some very beautiful eye contact
with all three people i was with. one stranger at the end asked us if
we wanted to join him and his group- and it was very sincere and kind
and didn't seem "sleazy" at all...just open and honest. fascinating
experience...i am so grateful. i am learning a lot about myself...i
borrowed some orange suede platform boots from the lady we went to the
club with. her and i wear the same european size shoe= 41. i will have
to get me some boots like that! they feel good and look good on
me...boots suit me very well. i want some bright red ones!
when i return to seattle i wanna get involved with some tantra group
and also maybe the naturalists in town who swim nude 2gether. i am
finally figuring out what kind of people i wanna join with.
spiritual/healthmind/sensual/intelligent/open
hearted/compassionate/senstive/love filled humans.
Clan_MacKay
Please, Please, Please, Please, Please.....
nw1...@yahoo.com
Clan_MacKay wrote:
> nw1...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > NudeAmerica wrote:
> > > If there is blame to be distributed in this event, I wouldn't hold
> > > Shannon blameless. From reading her journal, it appears she likes to
> > > do this type of thing and then justify it as "art". There's an entry
> > > in her journal from a prior trip to Amsterdam where she visits a sex
> > > club and takes in some group sex for herself. She describes the raw
> > > gang-bang in pseudo-artistic terms, e.g. "sharing spiritual energy".
> > > At least at a sex club, unlike at a nudist event, one expects such
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/708628.html
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > We can't hold Shannon blameless on all this.
> >
> > This was classic Shannon.
> >
> > All I was saying was that nudists always say that the moment something
> > like this happens, the nudists always put a stop to it. But that isn't
> > what happened here. Shannon was allowed to continue with her junk, and
> > was even cheered on.
> >
> > Shannon is from the Seattle area. I wonder what the position of the
> > Seattle area nudist parks would be if she ever set foot there.
>
>
> If she behaves appropriately at the Park where is the Harm?
>
> We know you won't be there.
>
Luckily I won't be anywhere near Shannon. Perhaps it's the effect of
the Seattle rain upon her.
nw1...@yahoo.com
Clan_MacKay wrote:
> nw1...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > NudeAmerica wrote:
> > > If there is blame to be distributed in this event, I wouldn't hold
> > > Shannon blameless. From reading her journal, it appears she likes to
> > > do this type of thing and then justify it as "art". There's an entry
> > > in her journal from a prior trip to Amsterdam where she visits a sex
> > > club and takes in some group sex for herself. She describes the raw
> > > gang-bang in pseudo-artistic terms, e.g. "sharing spiritual energy".
> > > At least at a sex club, unlike at a nudist event, one expects such
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/shannonkringen/708628.html
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > We can't hold Shannon blameless on all this.
> >
> > This was classic Shannon.
> >
> > All I was saying was that nudists always say that the moment something
> > like this happens, the nudists always put a stop to it. But that isn't
> > what happened here. Shannon was allowed to continue with her junk, and
> > was even cheered on.
> >
> > Shannon is from the Seattle area. I wonder what the position of the
> > Seattle area nudist parks would be if she ever set foot there.
>
>
> If she behaves appropriately at the Park where is the Harm?
>
She has just proven that she will not behave appropriately.
And that nudists won't do anything when she does behave inappropriately.
sarasm...@hotmail.com
People at nudist parks do NOT usually do sexy things.
>>>>>>>
look in the mirror --there is nothing sexy about you
but most people who are younger and not all withered from alcoholism
like you
think of being nude as sexy
it's only natural
sarasm...@hotmail.com
nudist venue
without it being perfect for you, we bid you a fond farewell. Please
don't
let the door hit you in the ass on the way
out...........................>>>>>>>>
There you go, Mark
another post where you HAVE to say a swear word
AND bossing people around
like anyone is actually going to do what you say
LOLOLOLLLLLLLLL
sarasm...@hotmail.com
Does this mean you'll get the hell out of here now? So long.........
>>>>>>
and here is another post of Mark's today
swearing again
soap, where is the soap, this man needs to be cleansed
mark, do yourself a favor and clean your own nasty mouth out
Dario Western
After giving this topic some serious rethinking, I've begun to suspect that
some people are making mountains out of molehills.
When dancing nude with other people there could be times when genital
contact could happen, but very momentarily and nothing that should be of
major concern to others.
I checked out your website after seeing the link to it here, and think your
work is excellent!
I used to have a butoh dancer called Ralph Rosenfield on a nudist group I
managed some years back called NAVEL America. He was a lovely and
interesting individual.
By the way, I checked out the naturist "N" magazine link on your site and
couldn't get it to work. You might like to consider linking to just the TNS
alone. :-)
Keep up your fantastic work, stay kewl!
Dario Western
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> there were two people involved here not just me. evan was the man i
> did this painting with.
>
> if someone thought it was not ok for us to do this why didn't they tell
> us? that is not my fault.
>
> it's people who judge it that seem to have the real problem.
>
> i can separate sex from nudity. isn't that partly what naturism is
> about? being naked with others- eating, sleeping, swimming, playing
> volley ball, doing yoga and it not being about sex? why can't
> bodypainting be considered non sexual?
>
> also, i don't appreciate the comments about me not being a real
> performance artist. not true. i have put a lot of work into my tv
> show for 10 years on every week and been in plays and in summer
> solstice parades in seattle and worked really hard and take seriously
> what i do. i have a style that some people don 't like and i
> understand this. but to call me "not a real artist" is really
> disrespectful.
>
> i am sincere and work at what i do. i agree i am a good photographer
> and perhaps that is my strongest talent. but i still like doing multil
> media work.
>
> sincerely, shannon kringen
>
Mark
who makes off-the-wall comments and asks stupid questions--a truly ignorable
person....
sarasm...@hotmail.com
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Ignore anything said by nw12...@yahoo.com This person is nothing but a
troll
who makes off-the-wall comments and asks stupid questions--a truly
ignorable
person....
>>>>>>>>
pot kettle black
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Hi Shannon,
After giving this topic some serious rethinking, I've begun to suspect
that
some people are making mountains out of molehills.
When dancing nude with other people there could be times when genital
contact could happen, but very momentarily and nothing that should be
of
major concern to others.
>>>>>>
momentarily?
when slow dancing they are touched much more than mometarily
some nudist resorts do not allow nude dancing
people must wear crotch covering clothes of some sort
because dancing can be very sexy
NudeAmerica
natural human being."
Not that there's anything wrong with body painting, but celebrating the
NATURAL human body doesn't require paint. But, this isn't about the
paint at all, despite your red herring. Body painting can be done
without rubbing crotches with another person in front of an audience.
"it felt to me like a very positive experience. "
Of course it felt positive, because it's obvious from your journal that
you crave huge amounts of attention for doing rather mundane things.
Positive doesn't equal appropriate for a family nudist setting.
Rubbing crotches might have been more suitable for the gang-bang, I
mean "sharing spiritual energy" you had at the sex club in Amsterdam.
"i suggest you talk about
events that you were actually present at and not make assumptions about
things you don't know the truth about."
What a huge, huge cop-out. So, that means we can't have sympathy for
those who were killed in the London bombings yesterday, because we
weren't actually there? That we can't have an opinion on how our
Supreme Court voted on eminent domain recently, because we're not
actually there?
YOU were there, and this is what YOU had to say about it:
"he had the great idea of doing "body transfer" painting where i
painted onto his chest then we rubbed against one another like in
lithography or silk screen/monotype where you roll ink with a round
thing...we rubbed in circular motions our bodies so we matched! the
funniest part was doing our croth area! we did t his in front of the
pool area with lots of people around laughing slong with us! so cool!"
Your tortured "artist" (or "aRtist" as you pretentiously call it)
routine might work with your fans, but there are people on this
newsgroup with IQs in the double and even triple digits.
jon...@webtv.net
figure out which is the most holy and honest....the artist sez anything
they do is a work of art....and the nudist sez anything they do is body
acceptance.....well he he ha ha....after watching a euro vid of nude
dancing that is sold by an ex president of the aanr and seeing the
erections of male dancers when dancing with their eager female partners
and viewing the little girls that stand around gawking at those
erections makes one wonder where body acceptance ends and sexuality
begins...or does body acceptance ever end.......now i remember ...at
ponderosa....these same things happening and a few said.....well these
kids need to be in bed at nine oclock....and others said
...awh...shucks let em dance too....it won hurt nuthinl.......and then
ol hoss got busted for kiddie porn and molesting and the helicopters
were flying overhead...while the co .state and local police...and CPS
were searching and interviewing all the kids....he he.....and i bet em
police got a laugh out of how the kids explained those sat nite
dances.......i mean...hey ya just gotta luv em nudist.....they must be
sayin....we aint no cult like jim jones.....see we never give up and
admit the truth.........we will wait till the govt....unanamously closes
us down and then we can disappear into the sunset ...a bitchin and
whinin all the way......Sara if you and I had been given half the time
we have spent in rec nude with the jim jones followers ...we could have
saved all those lives.....a tragedy ..jonZeee
sarasm...@hotmail.com
>====================================
Richard>>>>Great words from sara, who posted this:
"That's the way you and your old fatso and alcoholic friends see it.
look in the mirror --there is nothing sexy about you
but most people who are younger and not all withered from alcoholism
like you
think of being nude as sexy
it's only natural"
>>>>>
See ! Thanks Richard
I am proof and Richard uses my words above to prove my point.
One can tell it like it is and even be insulting without using swear
words.
TerryJWoodN...@hotmail.com
shannonkringen <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>you don't understand what happened at all.
.
.
.
>you are totally misconstruing the truth of what occured.
Welcome to USENET, where truth never gets in the way of a good story! :-)
>sincerely, shannon kringen
>figure model, artist and naturist.
You can't call yourself a naturist unless you have a hall of shame named
after you.
Terry "The Hall of Shame Hall O' Shame" Wood
TerryJWoodN...@hotmail.com
shannonkringen <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>bodypainting to me is not sexual.
>nudity and sex and two different things.
Those are concepts lost on many of the textile trolls who inhabit this group.
Terry "Troll Busters" Wood
Mark
"Richard C." <post...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> X-No-archive: yes
>
> <sarasm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1120849160....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> See ! Thanks Richard
> I am proof and Richard uses my words above to prove my point.
> One can tell it like it is and even be insulting without using swear
> words.
> Mark is correct!
> You are 100% bitch!
>
I modified my statement Richard-----even bitches deserve better than being
classified with sara......
Choose Two
Her "work" seems just a sloppy shrine to her self-absorption:
http://www.shannonkringen.com/arizonapoolf.jpg
Is that a finger in front of the lens?
http://www.shannonkringen.com/shannon_kringen_photography2.htm
The primates are out of focus and not exposed properly, nor framed in
an interesting or artistic way.
These shots from the zoo aren't anything exciting. Anyone with a point
and shoot can do something like that.
http://www.shannonkringen.com/voogkring2.htm
Talking/thinking balloons over the subjects' heads. How 90's.
http://www.shannonkringen.com/printsforsale.htm
Snapshots, nothing exciting
http://www.shannonkringen.com/hotelshannon.htm
Self-absorbed self portraits in a mirror. Yawn.
Choose Two
>disrespectful.
Videotaping yourself for half an hour rolling around nude on the floor
to Tori Amos music and pulling a used, bloody tampon out of your vagina
doesn't take much talent, thought, or effort. However, I suppose that
one could argue that a performance "artist" doesn't necessarily need
talent, thought or effort.
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120799537.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> there were lots of children there. and nothing sexual was going on
> with me and evan and the body paint. in fact the kids came up to me
> and wanted to paint themselves as we were finishing up for the day.
>
> i respect boundaries and i do not do sexual things in inappropriate
> ways.
>
> bodypainting to me is not sexual.
>
> nudity and sex and two different things.
Then why did you post that the funniest part was rubbing your crotches
together. Such public behavior is disgraceful and completely out of place at
a Naturist Gathering. It's exactly the kind of thing that people who want to
outlaw naturism and nudism use against us. We hope you never do it again and
that you take your "report" down.
You owe us all an apology.
Shaking My Head,
Bill
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120799896....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> there were two people involved here not just me. evan was the man i
> did this painting with.
Did he tell the world about the crotch rubbing too?
> i can separate sex from nudity.
So can we, including slow dancing close together, but we don't talk about
rubbing crotches.
What on earth do you think the vast majority of people who are reading your
report will think. Ask 10 random people on the street and I'll be you $100
that the vast majority of them will say it was sex.
> isn't that partly what naturism is
> about? being naked with others- eating, sleeping, swimming, playing
> volley ball, doing yoga and it not being about sex?
Yes, but it's not about rubbing crotches in public and you should know that.
> why can't
> bodypainting be considered non sexual?
It is, but to most of the world crotch rubbing isn't.
In Hot Water,
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Springs, A Million Miles From Monday...
POB 10, Tonopah, Arizona 85354 623-386-5412
HotSp...@El-Dorado.com www.el-dorado.com
"S\He Who Knows That Enough Is Enough
Will Always Have Enough." Lao Tzu
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
Is this true? Did you make that video as described?
Bill Pennington
"Choose Two" <choo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Paul,
"Paul" <rapo...@shermans.net> wrote in message
news:1120663538.7...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The comments on Shannon Kringen's activities at the Eastern Naturist
> Gathering are being made mostly by people who don't know her and
> weren't there. One person took Shannon's account about bodypainting and
> turned it into "crotch rubbing."
Actually, that's the way she described it herself.
> The painting she did of her and Evan was interesting and worthwhile,
> and different from the usual. Yes, I was there. And my goodness, the
> genital areas of both were painted! It would be odd if they weren't,
> which would draw more attention to them than when they are.
True, but those who want to outlaw us won't see it that way.
> Naturists may be as narrow as any anti-nudists. Tut-tutting about an
> event you were not present for and have too little information about is
> hardly helpful.
>
> Shannon Kringen is a performance artist. What kind, quality, etc. isn't
> the point. (It might help to know something about that subject.)
What you say is true, but the what matters most here is that those trying to
outlaw us use this kind of stuff against us. No people should be rubbing
crotches together in public at a Naturist Gathering, period. It doesn't
matter if we were there or not -- Shannon is reporting what she did, so
unless she's making it up, we don't have to have been there.
She disgraced herself and all of us. Her own report clearly shows she's no
friend of family naturism. It's this kind of "Anything goes because we're
nude." attitude that brings trouble to us all.
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> you don't understand what happened at all.
>
> we did a BODY TRANSFER. we did not "rub our genitals" 2gether.
So you weren't telling the truth when you posted:
"we rubbed in circular motions our bodies so we matched! the
funniest part was doing our croth area! we did t his in front of the
pool area with lots of people around laughing slong with us! so cool!"
Or is it that you're not telling the truth now?
Or is it that one post is true some of the time and the other post is true
the rest of the time? Or?
> i would not do something like that in front of others. that would be a
> private thing between a lover and i. not at a naturist gathering.
But you did do it "in front of the pool area with lots of people around..."
or at least one of your posts says you did while the other one says you
didn't.
> you are totally misconstruing the truth of what occured.
OK then, tell us which post to believe and we'll be all set.
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Springs
Hi,
I can't open any of them; perhaps she's taken them down like her Amsterdam
report?
Bill
"Choose Two" <choo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> we are both figure models
> AND naturists.
So that gives you license to bring disgrace to all of us?
> there are many witnesses to what went on at eastover in lenox mass. at
> the eastern naturist gathering.
Obviously.
> naturism, to me, is about accepting your body as it is and not hiding
> any of it. painting the entire body is about celebrating being a
> natural human being.
Yes.
> i do not wish to argue with any of you. i suggest you talk about
> events that you were actually present at and not make assumptions about
> things you don't know the truth about.
> if you wanna know what really happened ask people who were there at the
> 2005 eastern naturist gathering and witnessed us bodypainting
> ourselves.
Well you were there and posted:
"we rubbed in circular motions our bodies so we matched! the
funniest part was doing our croth area! we did t his in front of the
pool area with lots of people around laughing slong with us! so cool!"
Later you posted that you didn't do it.
Again, please let us know which post to believe, the one above or the one
where you said you didn't do what you said above.
Bill
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
We notice you just posted:
"i am relieved to find out the rumors about my bodypainting at the naturist
gathering in lenox mass. being "sexually inappropriate" has been cleared up"
I'm glad you think that.
Bill Pennington
shannonkringen
you are not giving me anything useful here.
the only criticism useful to an aRtist is the constructive kind.
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
Thank you for not answering any of the polite questions I asked. It's no
surprise, BTW. Would you now please answer what I've asked? Thank you in
advance.
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> we painted our entire bodies. crotch and all. the emphasis is not on
> our gential area...i just mentioned it cuz it was funny and i turned
> red doing that.
Keep on talking; the more you do, the deeper you dig yourself in. You turned
red from the crotch painting (but not from any other body part painting) but
it wasn't sexual. OK, that's easy to believe, right?
> i don't get why you people are getting so freaked out by bodypainting
> at a naturist gathering.
No one is freaked by body painting. What seems to be troublesome is that you
posted that rubbing crotches with Evan with lots of people watching was the
funniest part, to use your own words.
In case you didn't know it, no responsible naturist or nudist rubs crotches
with another in public with or without body paint.
It's people like you that bring a firestorm of anti nudity laws upon we
responsible naturenudes. You have disgraced yourself and all of us by making
your public mutual crotch rubbings known to the world. You owe us all an
apology.
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear Shannon,
Remember that I said the more you talk, the deeper you'll dig yourself in?
"shannonkringen" <kringg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> this is one of the ACTUAL PHOTOS of us with my bodypaint on. we did
> the transfer of our whole bodies.
>
>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/shannonkringen/shannonkringenevanbody400.jpg
That photo wasn't taken poolside at Eastover; in fact, knowing the layout of
Eastover quite well, it appears it wasn't taken there. Will you please let
us all know where that photo was taken? If you say it was taken at Eastover,
please let us all know the exact location. Thanks.
Bill
MaxHeadroom
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>> Hi Shannon,
>>
>>
>> After giving this topic some serious rethinking, I've begun to suspect
>> that
>> some people are making mountains out of molehills.
>>
>>
>> When dancing nude with other people there could be times when genital
>> contact could happen, but very momentarily and nothing that should be
>> of
>> major concern to others.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>> momentarily?
>> when slow dancing they are touched much more than mometarily
>> some nudist resorts do not allow nude dancing
>> people must wear crotch covering clothes of some sort
>> because dancing can be very sexy
>>
> =========================
> that is pathetic.
> Nudity is either OK or it is NOT!
> It is not circumstantial.
> It is hypocritical to say it is OK to be nude....EXCEPT when (whatever).
> But, then, you are always saying pathetic things.
You are right, nudity is not circumstantial; it is situational!
It is right or wrong, ok or not ok, dependent on the situation.