Nudists are back in Brattleboro
Ronald Emerson
everyone is happy. Read the story at this link.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/ODD_NAKED_TOWN?SITE=FLDAY&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Ronald Emerson
-T.
You could always drop the good Reverend a line. Mine appears below.
Bethel Chapel Assembly of God
28 Birge Street, Brattleboro, VT 05301-6459
Dear Reverend Horion,
>How do you want to be viewed as Brattleboro?" asked the Rev. Kevin Horion.
One would assume you want to be viewed as a loving, caring, faith
community; that how you are viewed by man is not nearly as important
as how you are viewed by God.
>"We want to welcome families with small children." Nudists could pop up anywhere, he said.
>"I am concerned we don't know where they are going to strike."
Are you under the impression that little children are unaware of their
own "parts", or the fact that others have "parts'? I'm aware that many
political movements are initiated to "save the children", but what,
exactly, are you saving them from?
One assumes that as followers of Christ, you folks have your hands
full feeding the poor, caring for the sick, ministering to prisoners
and sheltering the homeless. Once you get that all taken care of, no
one, anywhere in the world, will pay the least bit of attention to
your naked brethren, they will focus instead on you manifistation of
the kingdom of God, here on earth.
Yours in Christ,
Thomas
-T.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
That guy is no nudist. He's an exhibitionist. No sensible nudist would nude
any downtown area.
If he and others continue to offend clothes minded people in downtown
Brattleboro, the select board will pass an anti nudity law and we'll all
lose out.
Sigh.
In Hot Weather,
Bill Pennington
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Jenny6833A
How else do you propose to ... uh ... integrate ... the downtown
area? Would you recommend it be done by a 20-something female?
:-)
Jenny
D. Kirkpatrick
nort...@webtv.net (Ronald Emerson) wrote:
> Nudists are back in Brattleboro VT now that Spring is here. However not
> everyone is happy. Read the story at this link.
I believe the sighting is questionmale despite the willingness of the
press to print.
BBp
I am a nearby resident of Brattleboro and can tell you first hand that
you are just getting a small part of the stories, only the parts that
help sell papers. The incidents that you are reading about are not by
local nudists of which and we do have a large following in the areas
in S. VT, NW MA.
Those you read about are just a few exhibitionists, and their actions
will only bring about an ordinance outlawing nudity in any public area
of the town so as to allow the police to warrent an arrest, much like
what happened in Rutland County.
This started last year when a group of young people in a public
parking lot who were very organized. This make us think it was a
planned attack by anti nudists groups to get an anti nudist ordnance
passed in the town.
It certainly got the town fathers attention. This did go to a town
vote and action was voted down as VT'ers don't like a lot of useless
rules.
At this time the selectpersons of that town are looking at various
solutions, including another ordnance vote to stop the exhibitionists
from making Brat a public spectacle.
It would do little to write the Rev Horion, he is and always has been
against the nudism and nudists. He was one of the people that came to
Wilmington Vt to speak out against the nudists at the public hearings
on the banning of skinny dipping at the Ledges. According to the Rev
Horion good lords take on nudity is that it is a mortal sin. Between
Horion and Mrs. Frost they dammed near closed the Ledges permanently.
It would do more to write the selectpersons but keep in mind that
Vermonters don't appreciate outside interference into their personal
situations and issues. This same attitude worked inn out favor in the
Ledges battle as speakers and exhibitionists were coming in from all
over with their two cents worth and their show and really ticking off
the townspeople.
Finally at the hearing the moderator allowed only voters to speak
along with a few other invited guests of the voters and town fathers.
BBp
-T.
>It would do little to write the Rev Horion, he is and always has been
>against the nudism and nudists.
A day late and 41 cents short I'm afraid. We'll see if the good
Reverend has anything to say for himself :-)
-T.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear Jenny,
I would recommend that it be done by no person, because if people continue
to nude any downtown, anywhere, an anti nudity law, possibly a very overly
broad one which would affect skinnydipping spots on the outskirts of town,
will surely follow.
Your suggestion that a downtown area could be "intergrate"ed with clothes
free and clothes minded people does not match the reality of any downtown
area I know of, except possibly Cap D'Agde.
Former Vermont Resident,
Bill
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Jenny6833A
<CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Dear Jenny,
>
> I would recommend that it be done by no person, because if people continue
> to nude any downtown, anywhere, an anti nudity law, possibly a very overly
> broad one which would affect skinnydipping spots on the outskirts of town,
> will surely follow.
And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
yourself.
Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
TERA, for example, and the four gals who did as the law permits in
some dinky town in in New York.
Even when the law permits a show of skin, you're against it because a
backlash might impact your pecious bottom line.
Sheeeeeeeeeesh!
:-)
Jenny
BBp
We have a skinny dipping paradise in a much of VT, and we wish to
continue to keep it that way. We don't need the outside "help" of
those who like to take advantage of Vermont and it's willingness to
allow for lax nudity laws so long as it does not offend the local
residences.
Some of this state has already been lost to skinny dippers and nudist
alike as in Rutland County. In the same manner Windham County in which
Brattleboro lies could be lost as well if the exhibitionists continue
their silly sit-ins and walks down the populated streets of the city.
Those doing the nude walking and nude parking lot sit-ins are
exhibitionists, there are not nudists and they are mostly from other
places. Their actions will only destroy skinny dipping and nudist
activities for all.
BBp
Jenny6833A
> We have a skinny dipping paradise in a much of VT, and we wish to
> continue to keep it that way. We don't need the outside "help" of
> those who like to take advantage of Vermont and it's willingness to
> allow for lax nudity laws so long as it does not offend the local
> residences.
Houses and apartement buildings are not offended by nudity.
Even assuming that you meant to say "residents," nothing in Vermont
law contains your phrase " ... so long as it does not offend the local
residents."
You and others are either missing the point or refusing to deal with
it. The people who are nude are not breaking any law. As such, they
are entitled to do as they are doing. You and others are having a
hissy fit about people who are acting 100% legally.
ALL legal actions run the risk of pissing off enough enough people
that the legal actions are made illegal. Hey, speaking freely within
the current law of the land could result in revocation of the First
Amendment. That's not a reason to stop speaking freely.
In exactly the same sense, the undeniable fact that being nude in
Vermont within the current law might cause the law to change is no
reason to stop acting within that law.
You and others are also missing another simple fact. There's no point
in having good laws if no one takes advantages of the freedoms they
provide.
You argue that nudity within the law might cause the law to change.
You refuse to deal with the opposite argument: If no one is ever nude
within the law, legislators might conclude that no one would be
inconvenienced by changing the law to restrict nudity.
> Some of this state has already been lost to skinny dippers and nudist
> alike as in Rutland County. In the same manner Windham County in which
> Brattleboro lies could be lost as well if the exhibitionists continue
> their silly sit-ins and walks down the populated streets of the city.
You have presented no evidence of exhibitionism, whatever that may
mean. You don't and can't know the motives of those who act
absolutely totallly within the law.
> Those doing the nude walking and nude parking lot sit-ins are
> exhibitionists ...
So you say, but without a whit of justification.
> ... there are not nudists ...
Oh? According to whose definition?
And what difference would it make if they are or aren't? Vermont law
says nothing about "nudists" or "nudism."
> ... and they are mostly from other places.
So? Vermont law applies to everyone (from anywhere) who is in
Vermont.
> Their actions will only destroy skinny dipping and nudist activities for all.
What are you doing (besides ranting) to ensure that doesn't happen?
Are you encouraging the prudes of Brattleboro to respect the rights of
others under the law? Are you preaching tolerance of legal
activities? Are you pointing out that no one is harmed by mere
nudity? Are you urging calm?
If you are not, why aren't you?
:-)
Jenny
Richard C.
R
http://www.post-age-collectibles.com/nudism/lombard.jpg
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Why should it matter WHO they are?
As long as the nudity is non-sexual, where is the harm?
Keep 'em on the back of the bus, eh?
Stuffed Tiger
<post...@spamcop.net> wrote:
...
>Why should it matter WHO they are?
>As long as the nudity is non-sexual, where is the harm?
>
>Keep 'em on the back of the bus, eh?
I would be ecstatic if we were given the back of the bus :-), but
let's not compare nudist problems and goals to racism. We nudists can
just put on clothes anytime we want. We have never suffered anything
like the kinds of horrors that racism has visited on people
everywhere. I'd like to keep it that way.
cyndiann
From what I understand the nudity was of a sexual nature.
cyndiann
http://www.mynudelife.com
Terry J. Wood
news:4981-46...@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net:
Speaking of this, I should mention that the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette had not
only the story about Brattleboro, VT, but 5 other positive stories about
naturism in the paper the other day. For example, they mentioned that the
average age of naturists today is 55 ("Even older than the average age of
the residents of Allegheny County!").
It was interesting to see a positive plug for naturism in the Pittsburgh's
major newspaper.
Terry "Mild Mannered Reader of a Great Metropolitan News Paper" Wood
Terry J. Wood
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> From what I understand the nudity was of a sexual nature.
They should prosecute the lewd behavior, not the nudity. It doesn't matter
how much or how little clothing was on (or off) at the time. The crime is
the lewd behavior.
Zee
> northt...@webtv.net (Ronald Emerson) wrote innews:4981-46...@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net:
where is pittsburg...is that a coal mine..jz
Richard C.
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Agree 100%!
That is the attitude that Seattle seems to be taking.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear Jenny,
"Jenny6833A" <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On May 20, 4:30?am, "Casa Blanca Hot Spring"
> <CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Dear Jenny,
>>
>> I would recommend that it be done by no person, because if people
>> continue
>> to nude any downtown, anywhere, an anti nudity law, possibly a very
>> overly
>> broad one which would affect skinnydipping spots on the outskirts of
>> town,
>> will surely follow.
>
> And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
> yourself.
??? I do not now, nor have I ever owned a nudist club. Further, I'm
clearly advocating in favor of the free nude spots in and near Brattleboro,
many of which I've written up for various publications over the years,
including "Vermont Unveiled" which I received special credit for. Take a
look at that fine publication if you'd care to find out for yourself what
the truth is; your statements here are sorely lacking in credibility.
> Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
> TERA, for example, and the four gals who did as the law permits
???? Is that why I donated $50 to the defense of Claudia Kellerich, Barb
Crumb, her partner, and another woman after they were wrongfully arrested in
Moravia, NY during the Northeast Naturist Festival? If you'd care to check
with either Claudia or Barb, feel free to do so.
If you think I'm against TERA, best you check with founder and head person
Paul Rapoport about how much I've supported and contributed to TERA before
making such an unfounded statement.
> in
> some dinky town in in New York.
Please let us know where "in in New York" is. Thanks.
> Even when the law permits a show of skin, you're against it
Not. I'm highly in favor of it in all appropriate places and have advocated
it in many media for more than two decades.
> because a
> backlash might impact your pecious bottom line.
What is a pecious bottom line, Jenny? I never owned a club and I don't own a
Naturenude business. Where have you been, anyway?
Jenny, I'm sorry you know so little about what's really going on, but if you
need help in finding out the facts, try reading NUDE & NATURAL, for
instance, where in the last half a dozen issues or so my photoreports about
a couple of dozen established nude places and, perhaps, only one place of
business. More are coming out in the next issue. I suggest you attempt to
bring yourself up to date.
You really need to have your facts straight before posting, Jenny. You're on
a roll and the direction of it is clear.
Take Care,
Bill Pennington
cyndiann
>>And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
>>yourself.
>
>
> ??? I do not now, nor have I ever owned a nudist club.
You did own a "for profit" hot springs business. You are splitting hairs
here.
Further, I'm
> clearly advocating in favor of the free nude spots in and near Brattleboro,
> many of which I've written up for various publications over the years,
> including "Vermont Unveiled" which I received special credit for. Take a
> look at that fine publication if you'd care to find out for yourself what
> the truth is; your statements here are sorely lacking in credibility.
ROFLOL! You, writing about credibility? After what you wrote to the
manager at Lake Como you have zero credibility.
I know for a fact that many of those publications accept articles from
pervs because they surely took yours.
>
>
> If you think I'm against TERA, best you check with founder and head person
> Paul Rapoport about how much I've supported and contributed to TERA before
> making such an unfounded statement.
Sending money to causes doesn't get you out of the perv category either.
>
> Not. I'm highly in favor of it in all appropriate places and have advocated
> it in many media for more than two decades.
>
>
>>because a
>>backlash might impact your pecious bottom line.
>
>
> What is a pecious bottom line, Jenny? I never owned a club and I don't own a
> Naturenude business. Where have you been, anyway?
So, you sold it. Why split hairs just to argue?
>
> Jenny, I'm sorry you know so little about what's really going on, but if you
> need help in finding out the facts, try reading NUDE & NATURAL, for
> instance, where in the last half a dozen issues or so my photoreports about
> a couple of dozen established nude places and, perhaps, only one place of
> business. More are coming out in the next issue. I suggest you attempt to
> bring yourself up to date.
So you know how to use a camera and how to send the pic in. Anyone can
do that, it's not something special. Believe me, if they take them from
people like you they will take them from anyone.
>
> You really need to have your facts straight before posting, Jenny. You're on
> a roll and the direction of it is clear.
>
Yeah Jenny, the facts are, if Bill doesn't like you he will do whatever
he feels he can get away with to cause you harm. I know!
cyndiann
http://www.mynudelife.com
Cultkiller
> Dear Jenny,
>
> > And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
> > yourself.
>
Bill, didn't you at one time have a hot spring and charged for its
use ??
>
> > Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
>
Yes, and the uncalled for letter that Bill sent to Lake Como about
cyndiann just adds support that statement.
>
> Not. I'm highly in favor of it [nudity] in all appropriate places and have advocated
> it in many media for more than two decades.
And who designates the appropriate places .. you ??
>
> What is a pecious bottom line, Jenny? I never owned a club and I don't own a
> Naturenude business. Where have you been, anyway?
What is a pecious Bill ??. I think Jenny has "been" remembering your
pay for use hot springs.
>
> You really need to have your facts straight before posting, Jenny. You're on
> a roll and the direction of it is clear.
>
Bill ... were your "facts" straight when posting to Lake Como about
cyndiann ??
Yes, Jennys' direction IS clear ... Jenny is clearly going in the
direction of truth, fair comment and naturism suppport. That IS what
you were implying about Jenny ... isn't it Bill ??
swim_n...@yahoo.com
spring, not a club, and they sold it over a year ago. Anyone who calls
Bill a "club owner" isn't being too careful about getting facts
right.
Nudity in blatantly public places is a dangerous game. We all remember
Andrew Martinez and his single-handed success in making Berkeley CA
pass an anti-nudity law. When there's nudity "on Main Street at noon"
it upsets the local people and they start looking for ways to make it
illegal. Even in Vermont, it could happen.
If it's an annual stunt where everyone knows what they're going to
see, and when and where they can go to see it (or what to stay away
from) then it may be OK. As with the World Naked Bike Ride, or the
Bare to Breakers group in San Francisco, or the Fremont Art Parade in
the Northwest, or the Gay Pride parade in Toronto. But it's a question
of knowing the location and the local outlook.
I thought the Rutland VT nudity ban was a result of former nude
locales becoming hangouts for sex--which is another way we get laws
against nudity passed, as almost happened a while ago just a few miles
from Brattleboro, at the Ledges. Was it more of a public exposure
thing in Rutland? Well, it can happen either way.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear Jenny,
"Jenny6833A" <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1179810833....@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 20, 4:30?am, "Casa Blanca Hot Spring"
> <CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Dear Jenny,
>>
>> I would recommend that it be done by no person, because if people
>> continue
>> to nude any downtown, anywhere, an anti nudity law, possibly a very
>> overly
>> broad one which would affect skinnydipping spots on the outskirts of
>> town,
>> will surely follow.
>
> And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
> yourself.
??? I do not now, nor have I ever owned a nudist club. Further, I'm
clearly advocating in favor of the free nude spots in and near Brattleboro,
many of which I've written up for various publications over the years,
including "Vermont Unveiled" which I received special credit for. Take a
look at that fine publication if you'd care to find out for yourself what
the truth is; your statements here are sorely lacking in credibility.
> Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
> TERA, for example, and the four gals who did as the law permits
???? Is that why I donated $50 to the defense of Claudia Kellerich, Barb
Crumb, her partner, and another woman after they were wrongfully arrested in
Moravia, NY during the Northeast Naturist Festival? If you'd care to check
with either Claudia or Barb, feel free to do so.
If you think I'm against TERA, best you check with founder and head person
Paul Rapoport about how much I've supported and contributed to TERA before
making such an unfounded statement.
> in
> some dinky town in in New York.
Please let us know where "in in New York" is. Thanks.
> Even when the law permits a show of skin, you're against it
Not. I'm highly in favor of it in all appropriate places and have advocated
it in many media for more than two decades.
> because a
> backlash might impact your pecious bottom line.
What is a pecious bottom line, Jenny? I never owned a club and I don't own a
Naturenude business. Where have you been, anyway?
Jenny, I'm sorry you know so little about what's really going on, but if you
need help in finding out the facts, try reading NUDE & NATURAL, for
instance, where in the last half a dozen issues or so my photoreports about
a couple of dozen established nude places and, perhaps, only one place of
business. More are coming out in the next issue. I suggest you attempt to
bring yourself up to date.
You really need to have your facts straight before posting, Jenny. You're on
a roll and the direction of it is clear.
Take Care,
Bill Pennington
BBp
There is no reason to "integrate" the downtown area at all as the
downtown area is NOT a nudist resort, nor is it the proper place for
nudity, it matters little if the party is a 20 year old female or a 20
year old male to satisfy your needs. It is a well established business
area, with many churches, schools and other community services and
functions incorporated into the area.
As nudists we must respect the rights of others to be respected
ourselves. The vast majority of those living in Brattleboro do not
want nudity on their downtown streets, nor will they accept this
nudity in their city streets.
As nudist we should adhere to their wishes as they are the resident
owners and taxpayers of the area, they have graciously allowed for
nudity, skinny dipping, sunbathing in a few areas on the outskirts of
their town. They even voted down an anti nudity ordance last year. To
protect this privilege, its not a right, we need to allow them their
rights as well to protect their children as they deem fit.
Yes I know what you going to say, but in many of the minds of the
residents nudity is obscene, and it is their ball so to speak, if we
screw up or allow other outsiders to intrude and do as they please
with in the in your face nudity at in all places and times, then they
will take that ball away, "permanently!
Keep in mind that some of the more religious factors such as the Rev
Horion would love to get a Rutland type ordnance passed whereas it
would totally outlaw public nudity anywhere in the county, thereby
losing the entire area to real nudist usage. He is against the skinny
dipping taken place on the outskirts and in other nearby towns.
There are those that are working feverously to do just that and have
ever gone so far as to hire people to go nude so as to get the
attention of the voters and get them to override last years vote.
I's done now
BBp
BBp
> On 19 May 2007 10:14:51 -0700, BBp <loom...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >It would do little to write the Rev Horion, he is and always has been
> >against the nudism and nudists.
>
> A day late and 41 cents short I'm afraid. We'll see if the good
> Reverend has anything to say for himself :-)
>
> -T.
Oh well, maybe you can convince him otherwise, it certainly cant hurt
as he is diehard anti nudist and maybe if you've had any luck walking
on water he may actually listen to the written words.
BBp
Richard C.
There is nothing wrong with the naked human body.
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Jenny6833A
> On May 17, 11:37 am, Jenny6833A <Jenny68...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 16, 11:27?pm, "Casa Blanca Hot Spring"
> > <CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > That guy is no nudist. He's an exhibitionist. No sensible nudist would nude
> > > any downtown area.
> > > If he and others continue to offend clothes minded people in downtown
> > > Brattleboro, the select board will pass an anti nudity law and we'll all
> > > lose out.
> > > Sigh.
> > > In Hot Weather,
> > > Bill Pennington
> > > Casa Blanca Hot Spring
> > How else do you propose to ... uh ... integrate ... the downtown
> > area? Would you recommend it be done by a 20-something female?
>
> > :-)
>
> > Jenny
>
> There is no reason to "integrate" the downtown area at all as the
> downtown area is NOT a nudist resort, nor is it the proper place for
It's a proper place for anything not prohibited by law. That's how
laws work.
> It is a well established business
> area, with many churches, schools and other community services and
> functions incorporated into the area.
I'm sure those facilities are of interest to nude people as well as to
clothed people.
> As nudists we must respect the rights of others to be respected ourselves.
You sound like an Uncle Tom. Next you'll be telling us that blacks,
gays, democrats, environmentalists, and people with green hair are not
really citizens with full rights of access, but instead must stay out
of places where YOU say they're not wanted.
> The vast majority of those living in Brattleboro do not
> want nudity on their downtown streets, nor will they accept this
> nudity in their city streets.
Under current law, they have no choice.
> As nudist we should adhere to their wishes as they are the resident
> owners and taxpayers of the area, they have graciously allowed for
> nudity, skinny dipping, sunbathing in a few areas on the outskirts of
> their town. They even voted down an anti nudity ordance last year.
They voted down an anti-nudity ordinance, and now you're saying they
didn't understand the implications of their decision. Is that it?
> To
> protect this privilege, its not a right, we need to allow them their
> rights as well to protect their children as they deem fit.
Are you saying that nudity is not a right, but clothedness is a
right? If so, you're going around in circles.
Or maybe you're saying they have the right to protect their children
in _any_ way they see fit. If so, do they also have the right to
protect their children by outlawing blacks, gays, democrats,
environmentalists, and people with green hair?
> Yes I know what you going to say, but in many of the minds of the
> residents nudity is obscene ...
I doubt that. But I'll admit that some people don't want to see
blacks, gays, democrats, nudes, environmentalists, and people with
green hair. I suspect, however, that the locals are more dedicated to
freedom than you think they are. I'll bet they won't outlaw people
they just prefer not to see.
> ... and it is their ball so to speak, if we
> screw up or allow other outsiders to intrude ...
Intrude? You think people who don't live there aren't supposed to be
there? Do you think tourists and other visitors don't have the same
rights as residents?
> ... and do as they please
> with in the in your face nudity at in all places and times, then they
> will take that ball away, "permanently!
Walking around nude, while minding one's own business, is hardly "in
your face nudity."
> Keep in mind that some of the more religious factors such as the Rev
> Horion would love to get a Rutland type ordnance passed whereas it
> would totally outlaw public nudity anywhere in the county, thereby
> losing the entire area to real nudist usage.
Are you really saying that "real" nudists must stay out of sight of
"real citizens" -- that nude people aren't "real citizens" too? If
so, you sound just like those blacks of the Sixties who said, "We must
stay out of the downtown areas and out of the lunch counters because
the 'real' Americans don't want us there and, if we go, they'll sic
dogs on us."
> He is against the skinny
> dipping taken place on the outskirts and in other nearby towns.
> There are those that are working feverously to do just that and have
> ever gone so far as to hire people to go nude so as to get the
> attention of the voters and get them to override last years vote.
So get out there and campaign for the tolerance of which that area is
so rightfully proud.
:-)
Jenny
Richard C.
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-T.
> if you've had any luck walking
>on water
Skating on thin ice mostly, but it'll have to do.
-T.
Stuffed Tiger
ROTFLMNAO, Best of Luck
Jenny6833A
>
> ROTFLMNAO, Best of Luck
People keep stealing my best lines. Ah, well, I suppose it's a
compliment, albeit an unintended one.
:-)
Jenny
-T.
I am wounded. Why would it be unintended?
-T.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear John,
Thanks for the truthful and sensible post.
In Cooler Weather At 7.600 Feet Elevation,
Bill
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Dear BBp,
Thanks for such a good post. It shows how self defeating and counter
productive some people can be, wanting to be nude where it will surely lead
to an anti nudity law. Some people just don't get it.
Bill
"BBp" <loo...@msn.com> wrote in message
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I wonder if this is a permanent condition for s/he/it?
"Jenny6833A" <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dear CK,
Normally, you make sensible posts, but yours on this topic comes across as
being, shall we say, on the fringe. But still, since most of your posts are
sincere, well informed, and on topic, this response will assume that.
"Cultkiller" <mthom...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> <CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Dear Jenny,
>>
>> > And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
>> > yourself.
>>
>
> Bill, didn't you at one time have a hot spring and charged for its
> use ??
Yes, for 9 years, but what does that have to do with the topic of club
owners? CK, you're attempting to mix apples and oranges. Try to talk about
what's being talked about, then you'll cause less confusion.
>> > Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
>>
>
> Yes, and the uncalled for letter that Bill sent to Lake Como about
> cyndiann just adds support that statement.
CK, as I said, usually your posts are well informed, but your lines above
are not in tune with the facts.
>> Not. I'm highly in favor of it [nudity] in all appropriate places and
>> have advocated
>> it in many media for more than two decades.
>
> And who designates the appropriate places .. you ??
No.
>> What is a pecious bottom line, Jenny? I never owned a club and I don't
>> own a
>> Naturenude business. Where have you been, anyway?
>
> What is a pecious Bill ??.
Your question isn't related to the topic here.
I think Jenny has "been" remembering your
> pay for use hot springs.
Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
>> You really need to have your facts straight before posting, Jenny. You're
>> on
>> a roll and the direction of it is clear.
>>
>
> Bill ... were your "facts" straight when posting to Lake Como about
> cyndiann ??
Please let us all know what you mean by that. Thanks.
> Yes, Jennys' direction IS clear ... Jenny is clearly going in the
> direction of truth, fair comment and naturism suppport. That IS what
> you were implying about Jenny ... isn't it Bill ??
It's nice to hear you think that, CK. It's clear you'll be known by the
company you keep.
Take Care, CK.
Loving To Be Nude,
Bill Pennington
cyndiann
>
> Normally, you make sensible posts, but yours on this topic comes across as
> being, shall we say, on the fringe. But still, since most of your posts are
> sincere, well informed, and on topic, this response will assume that.
>
> "Cultkiller" <mthom...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1180372394.9...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
>><CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Jenny,
>>>
>>>
>>>>And that would be bad for the bottom line of club owners. Like
>>>>yourself.
>>>
>>Bill, didn't you at one time have a hot spring and charged for its
>>use ??
>
>
> Yes, for 9 years, but what does that have to do with the topic of club
> owners? CK, you're attempting to mix apples and oranges. Try to talk about
> what's being talked about, then you'll cause less confusion.
>
>
>>>>Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
>>>
>>Yes, and the uncalled for letter that Bill sent to Lake Como about
>>cyndiann just adds support that statement.
>
>
> CK, as I said, usually your posts are well informed, but your lines above
> are not in tune with the facts.
The facts speak for themselves. The manager at Como showed me your email
on his computer. There is no room for you to squirm out of this.
>
>
>>>Not. I'm highly in favor of it [nudity] in all appropriate places and
>>>have advocated
>>>it in many media for more than two decades.
>>
>>And who designates the appropriate places .. you ??
>
>
> No.
>
>
>>>What is a pecious bottom line, Jenny? I never owned a club and I don't
>>>own a
>>>Naturenude business. Where have you been, anyway?
>>
>>What is a pecious Bill ??.
>
>
> Your question isn't related to the topic here.
>
> I think Jenny has "been" remembering your
>
>>pay for use hot springs.
>
>
> Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
>
>
>>>You really need to have your facts straight before posting, Jenny. You're
>>>on
>>>a roll and the direction of it is clear.
>>>
>>
>>Bill ... were your "facts" straight when posting to Lake Como about
>>cyndiann ??
>
>
> Please let us all know what you mean by that. Thanks.
I guess it was one of your drunk nights huh Bill? Can't remember what
you did? Don't worry. I won't let you forget.
cyndiann
Cultkiller
>
> Bill, you are against a whole lot of people who most nudists support.
>
> ""Yes, and the uncalled for letter that Bill sent to Lake Como about
> cyndiann just adds support [to] that statement. ""
>
> CK, as I said, usually your posts are well informed, but your lines above
> are not in tune with the facts.
I believe that my facts are finely tuned. Cyndiann may not be the only
one who saw, or continues to see, your letter. Perhaps you would be
so kind as to post the complained about letter here and let the
readers make up their own minds. Those "facts" would produce the
perfect tune ... wouldn't you agree ??
Naturists' can and should disagree with one another. If not taken
personally it can be great interplay. But, intentionally going out of
ones way to hurt another nudist as a form of ligitimate social
interplay is not expected from anyone, at any time, under any
circumstances.
Do you find there is a lack of oxygen living up there at 7600' ??
BBp
> On May 29, 8:26?am, BBp <loom...@msn.com> wrote:
It is prohibited by VT law. When a LOCAL citizen objects to a person
or persons being nude or committing a sexual act in public, and if
that objector files a complaint with police it then becomes an illegal
act.
VT has been easy going about this and in the past have politely asked
offenders to cover, if they refuse they either receive a ticket or go
to jail, depending as to orders from the station, that's the law in
all of VT. The police do not have to ask them to cover, they can just
arrest if they so desire but seldom do. Go read the law for yourself,
go to the Brattleboros town library and you will find a book on VT law
sitting at the reception desk, seems its been asked for many times
over the past year adn half, best to call first in case its out on
loan.
BBp
> It's a proper place for anything not prohibited by law. That's how
> laws work.
> Walking around nude, while minding one's own business, is hardly "in
> your face nudity."
>
>
> So get out there and campaign for the tolerance of which that area is
> so rightfully proud.
Only if you want laws similar to Rutland County which will ruin it for
all those that use our skinny dipping areas. I believe your one of
those outsiders that likes to destroy what others have in already in
place. I further think you're a textile fighting to turn nudism around
in VT. You should take you crusade to the Florida medium to help stamp
out nudism there as it's much larger than VT's and that what your
remarks are really about.
> Jenny- Hide quoted text -
>
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Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear CK,
"Cultkiller" <mthom...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Naturists' can and should disagree with one another. If not taken
> personally it can be great interplay.
We're in agreement. It leads to healthy diversity. One of the expressions I
offered to TNS as a slogan was, "Let Naturism Progress In Diverse
Togetherness."
> Do you find there is a lack of oxygen living up there at 7600' ??
No, but there's a really nice lack of clothing most of the time for all the
people here. We fired up the solar and wood fired soaking tank yesterday and
oh, was it ever heavenly to soak in that velvet mineral water.
On Solar Power,
Bill Pennington