What should we think about this guy?
Anna
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-12-06/news/feature.html
"Cordelle wouldn't call himself a nudist, but as someone who has spent
the last twenty-some years focusing on naked girls and women through
his camera viewfinder"
-T.
>Pedophile comes to mind.
And idiot comes to mind when I read your tripe. What in the name of
all that is holy led you to the word pedophile?
-T.
When the man said alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, I just naturally assumed he was making a delivery.
Richard C.
news:1165446204.1...@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Pedophile comes to mind.
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Only to your mind and to jz's "mind".
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The book is EXCELLENT!
I have seen many photos that are in it and my copy should be here
within the week.
Obviously you have not seen it and have no clue about it.
It is going to be a wonderful addition to my library.
Putz!
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Anna
-T. wrote:
> On 6 Dec 2006 15:03:24 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >Pedophile comes to mind.
>
>
> And idiot comes to mind when I read your tripe. What in the name of
> all that is holy led you to the word pedophile?
The focus of his life is taking pictures of naked girls. What would you
call that?
Anna
-T. wrote:
> On 6 Dec 2006 15:03:24 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >Pedophile comes to mind.
>
>
> And idiot comes to mind when I read your tripe. What in the name of
> all that is holy led you to the word pedophile?
Isn't there a difference between a guy who likes to go around naked
because he likes the feel of being naked and all of that and a guy who
likes to see nude girls?
Thought nudism wasn't about seeing other people nude but instead was
about being nude yourself.
-T.
Could you please, just this once, do your own g#damned research?
PLEASE? You are making a bigger ass of yourself than usual and I'm too
damn tired to educate you tonight.
-T.
(why is your email invalid?)
Anna
-T. wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2006 15:41:43 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >-T. wrote:
> >> On 6 Dec 2006 15:03:24 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Pedophile comes to mind.
> >>
> >>
> >> And idiot comes to mind when I read your tripe. What in the name of
> >> all that is holy led you to the word pedophile?
> >
> >The focus of his life is taking pictures of naked girls. What would you
> >call that?
>
> Could you please, just this once, do your own g#damned research?
> PLEASE? You are making a bigger ass of yourself than usual and I'm too
> damn tired to educate you tonight.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-12-06/news/feature.html
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See, his own words condemn him. He is a self-admitted pedophile.
-T.
>"Cordelle wouldn't call himself a nudist, but as someone who has spent
>the last twenty-some years focusing on naked girls and women through
>his camera viewfinder"
>
>-----
>
>See, his own words condemn him. He is a self-admitted pedophile.
You have taken one statement and used it to sum up the whole.
Meanwhile, those of us who have taken the time to famialiarize
ourselves with the man's work, have a clae. Perhaps, you should dial
one as well. And, BTFW IF you were a woman, you'd likely have a clue
already.
-T.
David Looser
<quote>
Cordelle wouldn't call himself a nudist
<unquote>
As for him being a pedophile that would depend on what he meant by "girls",
the term is widely applied to young women.
David.
BBp
Then you try to pass yourself off as a nudists?
You are an idiot..
BBp
Richard C.
FANTASTIC book!
Highly recommended for ALL people.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0973027037/sr=1-1/qid=1165682664/postagecollectib
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"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
"jan dijkman"
following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering this
gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our Marbles!"
The focus of his life is to take nude pictures of women ranging in age
from 0 to 100. It takes a particularly warped mind to see a pedophile in
that...and no nudist would ever make the crucial step in that roller
coaster mind warp: to equate nude photography with pornography.
Be honest, admit you aren't a nudist. You'll feel better. Trust me.
Kind regards,
Jan Dijkman
Zee
has a warped mind......and then you determine that the poster would
feel better if they admitted they were not a nudist....i might not have
responded to your post if you had given your definition of a nudist as
some folks that expose their crotches to the opposite sex believe they
are nudist....so there is a wide range of definitions and all are
surely to be accepted.....i believe that any male that takes naked
picture of under age children are pedophiles....because there is no
eartly reason to do so that overrides the reason to not do so.....that
being in a world of pedophiles that are hungry for naked kid pictures
leaves the picture taker seen as social misfit ....that bears watching
...and added to the sexual predator identity list....kind
regards....jonZeee
Anna
Why only naked women?
Why not naked men as well?
I can understand a woman doing this to promote womanhood, and stuff
like that.
http://www.compulsiveeating.com/PR_Naked_Truths.htm
http://altpick.com/spot/koster/index.php
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/132940_vmcgrady30.html
http://www.bodybodyproject.com/press.html
But for a man to be so interested in taking naked pictures of women
including girls it isn't for the sake of art that he is doing it.
I may have a nudist mindset but I also must live in the real world.
Anna
BBp wrote:
> You have a problem with nudity?
> Then you try to pass yourself off as a nudists?
> You are an idiot..
I have no problem with nudity.
I do have a problem with guys who like to take pictures of naked
underaged girls.
Anna
-T. wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2006 18:28:49 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
> >"Cordelle wouldn't call himself a nudist, but as someone who has spent
> >the last twenty-some years focusing on naked girls and women through
> >his camera viewfinder"
> >
> >-----
> >
> >See, his own words condemn him. He is a self-admitted pedophile.
>
> You have taken one statement and used it to sum up the whole.
> Meanwhile, those of us who have taken the time to famialiarize
> ourselves with the man's work, have a clae. Perhaps, you should dial
> one as well. And, BTFW IF you were a woman, you'd likely have a clue
> already.
>
> -T.
I am a woman, and yeah I have a clue why a guy would like to take naked
pictures of naked girls.
If this was a woman (non homosexual) artist I could see her doing it
for other than sexual reasons.
But for a man to do it?
It if wasn't sexual for him he would have had mixed sex photos.
Anna
And I am sure that the next book this guy does will be of naked guys,
right?
There was obviously a sexual motivation for his work.
The book itself might be fine I guess (though I worry about the
jailbait years photos as well as of course the almost not quite years)
but his motives are in doubt.
Mr. "T"
the matter is, just try to keep your idea of what an "Underaged" girl
is to yourself. In the USA it is 12-18 years old, depending on the
state she is in. There is no "Underage" limits in most EU countries.
Here in the Caribbean, age isn't a problem. Subject matter isn't an
issue. Just don't be touching the subjects. Go back to your therapist
and tell her that you have been confronted by a person living in the
real world and you feel totally threatened. Work out your problems
then come back with a clear mind. Till then, hating men is OK. Just
keep a good supply of "C" cell batteries on hand.
Anna
Mr. "T" wrote:
> You sound like some lowlife lesbian fool and a man-hater. The fact of
> the matter is, just try to keep your idea of what an "Underaged" girl
> is to yourself. In the USA it is 12-18 years old, depending on the
> state she is in. There is no "Underage" limits in most EU countries.
> Here in the Caribbean, age isn't a problem.
I am sure that age is a problem in the Caribbean. Of course what you
mean is that it isn't a Legal problem. Which is sad as I am sure lots
of males go over there to exploit young girls.
18 years old makes the most sense from a legal standpoint although I
wouldn't be opposed to making it 21. But in either case I also believe
in the 2 year rule. That is if the man is 18 but the woman is 16 (or
the other way around) then it is ok. But the line needs to be drawn
somewhere.
Anna
Mr. "T" wrote:
> Subject matter isn't an
> issue. Just don't be touching the subjects.
I think it goes beyond not touching the subjects.
Naked pictures of girls just appeals to too many people out there for
sexual reasons. It may not effect nudists that way, but unless you
really want to live in a nudist colony (a community that is set aside
and for the most part isolated from the rest of society) then you have
live in the real world.
It is tough for colonies to exist in modern society. The real world
tends to intrude itself. The Amish unfortunately found that out this
year.
But nudists don't live in nudist "colonies". In fact I know of no such
"colony" of nudists out there. They interact with the rest of the
society all the time and as such they have to at least have an
appreciation of how some out in there in the general society might use
naked pictures of girls.
Mr. "T"
your hands to yourself. Touch one of our children and you will be in
serious trouble. It will be the parents that determine your fate. Most
of the time it isn't pretty. It's a good thing you weren't alive
during the times of GREAT artists. Your drawing of lines could have
ended the ability of artists to display their talent. "Censorship in
any form, is a dagger in the heart of free people everywhere". "Nuff
said.
Anna
Mr. "T" wrote:
> Can you not read? I said "DON'T TOUCH THE SUBJECT". That means keep
> your hands to yourself. Touch one of our children and you will be in
> serious trouble. It will be the parents that determine your fate. Most
> of the time it isn't pretty. It's a good thing you weren't alive
> during the times of GREAT artists. Your drawing of lines could have
> ended the ability of artists to display their talent.
Just because they were great artists, it doesn't mean that some of them
weren't perverts as well. Paul Gauguin for example.
And by the way I do think "Parental Justice" is cool and I am glad that
is allowed where you are from. But what if the girl is an orphan or the
guy abusing her is too powerful for the parent to kill? I am sure the
lawless nature of the place you live more often helps the abuser
instead of the one seeking vengeance.
Anna
While people grow and develop at different rates society needs lines
that protect most of the people most of the time. And we in society
need to not be selfish and respect these lines for the sake of society.
It would be impossible for any society to take each person on a case
by case basis and judge wherever in that case the relationship was ok
because that person is mature for his/her age or whatever. Society
has to say that yesterday it was illegal and today it isn't because its
your birthday. Sure it is kind of arbitrary but lines have to be drawn.
David Looser
news:gieon29lfi8lmqaqs...@4ax.com...
There is no "Underage" limits in most EU countries.
Eh?? EVERY EU country has an underage limit!
David.
Anna
Mr. "T" wrote:
> You sound like some lowlife lesbian fool and a man-hater.
I don't believe that all sex is rape if that is what you mean.
But some, and I say some, men are rapists.
And, depending on which society you are talking about in certain times
in certain places the abuse of women has often been part of the
culture.
We tend to think that there is a right and a wrong that is just part of
being human. But as you might know, morality isn't something we are
born with but something we need to be trained for. If that is not the
case why are there so many males in South Africa that rape little kids
(as a way to avoid getting AIDS). Sure you might expect that behavior
from some but if morality is something we are born with then most men
wouldn't do such stuff.
I don't hate men, but sex does put men into the more dominant role and
women into the submissive role. It is practically genetic. Of course
with people you can never say 100 percent but it is just how men and
women usually are. Men are dominant but that doesn't necessarily mean
they need to be abusive.
Anna
I frankly am more concerned about what is right than what the EU does.
In a half a century the EU will be the new Third Reich. Headed by a
charismatic industrialist who used his money to solve significant world
problems. He will be considered a great humanitarian, but the power
will go to his head and he will be wanting to be worshiped like a God
like Caesar was.
So frankly what the EU does doesn't necessary reflect what good and
right and decent.
Dan Abel
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
> I am a woman
Of course you are, Max. And I'm a horse. And tomorrow I'll be a bird.
Nobody knows you're a dog on the internet.
> It if wasn't sexual for him he would have had mixed sex photos.
Did you look at the pictures? I didn't think so.
:-(
Dan Abel
"Mr. \"T\"" <timba...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> You sound like some lowlife lesbian fool and a man-hater. The fact of
> the matter is, just try to keep your idea of what an "Underaged" girl
> is to yourself.
One of his models was 94. Do you think that is under age?
Besides, Max is probably a man. He therefore can't be a lesbian.
Dan Abel
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
> I may have a nudist mindset
No. You aren't a nudist, never have been and never will be.
Bernie
William
around.
The guy gets paid to take pictures of naked ladies.
Bert Clanton
Anna:
As difficult as it may be for you to conceive, a considerable majority
of nudist males no longer automatically attach erotic significance to
female nudity. This is not at all to say that those males have become
psychological eunuchs: we are just as much attracted to the sexual
beauty of some women's bodies as a "textile" male would be, but for us
this is pretty much independent of whether the woman is clothed or nude.
Whether you like it or not, and obviously you don't, men simply *are*
going to be sexually attracted to women, and simply *are* going to like
looking at women, nude or clothed. For a "textile" male, female nudity
*will* be erotically significant: that's the way he has been
socialized, and he hasn't learned any better. But it really is often
the case that for a nudist male in a nudist setting, *his attention
simply is not on the fact that a woman is nude*.
It seems to me that the important question is not whether we males like
looking at women, whether they're clothed or nude: we just *do*. The
important question is whether we males *behave* politely and
considerately toward women, nude or clothed. A majority of us are
gentlemen, and we *do* act like gentlemen, at nudist venues and
elsewhere.
Although I behave always in a gentlemanly fashion, I like looking at
pictures of attractive women, nude or clothed. If a woman, nude or
clothed, enjoys being looked at, and consents to having her picture
taken and published, I say more power to her.
Best wishes,
Bert
Santa Rosa, CA
Anna
William wrote:
> Hell, I would say the Man is Blessed with the greatest friggn' job
> around.
> The guy gets paid to take pictures of naked ladies.
And why is that such a great job?
Of course I know the answer but I want you to state it.
Anna
Dan Abel wrote:
> In article <gieon29lfi8lmqaqs...@4ax.com>,
> "Mr. \"T\"" <timba...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You sound like some lowlife lesbian fool and a man-hater. The fact of
> > the matter is, just try to keep your idea of what an "Underaged" girl
> > is to yourself.
>
> One of his models was 94. Do you think that is under age?
Yeah, but some of his models were teenagers and younger.
-T.
>And I am sure that the next book this guy does will be of naked guys,
>right?
Sure. I mean if someone does a book on landscapes, the next one would
have to be on still lifes, right? And men, traditionally have such
huge self esteem issues surrounding their bodies....
>
>There was obviously a sexual motivation for his work.
No. There is no such obvious motivation. If you had taken the time to
view and read his work, you wouldn't be working so hard at making a
huge ass out of yourself.
>The book itself might be fine I guess (though I worry about the
>jailbait years photos as well as of course the almost not quite years)
>but his motives are in doubt.
Only by you, 'cause your whole life is about sex. You see it
everywhere, suspect it everyone. Perhaps you should deal with your own
sexuality
-T..
When the man said alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, I just naturally assumed he was making a delivery.
David Looser
>
> In a half a century the US will be the new Third Reich. Headed by a
> charismatic industrialist who used his money to solve significant world
> problems. He will be considered a great humanitarian, but the power
> will go to his head and he will be wanting to be worshiped like a God
> like Caesar was.
>
> right and decent.
>
David.
Dan Abel
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
Yeah, one of the pictures on the site you quoted was of a baby 9 months
old. Is that underage?
Neosapienis
I wholeheartedly agree. Frank Cordelle is an immensely gifted photographer
who's subjects speak volumes about themselves through posing nude for him.
Not sure if it is going to be available in Australia, but if it is I'll
definitely get myself a copy. :-)
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> I received the Century Project yseterday.
>
> FANTASTIC book!
>
> Highly recommended for ALL people.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0973027037/sr=1-1/qid=1165682664/postagecollectib
>
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> "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:1165624800....@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > -T. wrote:
> >> On 6 Dec 2006 15:03:24 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Pedophile comes to mind.
> >>
> >>
> >> And idiot comes to mind when I read your tripe. What in the name of
> >> all that is holy led you to the word pedophile?
> >
> > Isn't there a difference between a guy who likes to go around naked
> > because he likes the feel of being naked and all of that and a guy who
> > likes to see nude girls?
> >
> > Thought nudism wasn't about seeing other people nude but instead was
> > about being nude yourself.
> >
>
Neosapienis
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"William" <1Idw...@rock.com> wrote in message
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Neosapienis
> In a half a century the US will be the new Third Reich. Headed by a
> charismatic industrialist who used his money to solve significant world
> problems. He will be considered a great humanitarian, but the power
> will go to his head and he will be wanting to be worshiped like a God
> like Caesar was.
If you are trying to tell us that the future false Messiah as prophecised in
the Book of Revelations is going to come from America, you are wrong.
He is going to come from Russia (the land of Gog and Magog). I don't think
the U.S. will ever get to be like Nazi Germany.
Dan Abel
<457c9d58$0$2699$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Neosapienis" <dario....@NOSPAMpowerup.com.auNOSPAM> wrote:
> He is going to come from Russia (the land of Gog and Magog). I don't think
> the U.S. will ever get to be like Nazi Germany.
Homeland Security? That's right from Hitler. Taking away everybody's
rights in the name of "security"? That's right from Hitler.
We're going down the path.
-T.
Certainly, the technology is available. The only thing that is lacking
is the motivation. Right now there is a backlash against some of the
homaland security measures. Another attack on the homeland, similar to
the 911 tragedy, would still all opposition. We sell our freedom too
cheaply.
-T.
David Looser
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> Hi Anna,
>
>> In a half a century the US will be the new Third Reich. Headed by a
>> charismatic industrialist who used his money to solve significant world
>> problems. He will be considered a great humanitarian, but the power
>> will go to his head and he will be wanting to be worshiped like a God
>> like Caesar was.
>
> If you are trying to tell us that the future false Messiah as prophecised
> in
> the Book of Revelations is going to come from America, you are wrong.
>
is for anyone to write crap about other nations and continents based purely
on their own ignorance and bigotry.
> He is going to come from Russia (the land of Gog and Magog). I don't
> think
> the U.S. will ever get to be like Nazi Germany.
>
Have you been on the same hallucinogenic drugs as sportbug?, are you now in
the prophecy business too? Who 50 years ago foresaw the world that we are
in now? and no-one now can possibly foresee the world in 50 years time, not
you, not Anna, not anybody. Nor are you going to learn anything about it
from The Book of Revelation.
David.
David Looser
> Hi Richard C,
>
> I wholeheartedly agree. Frank Cordelle is an immensely gifted
> photographer
> who's subjects speak volumes about themselves through posing nude for him.
>
> Not sure if it is going to be available in Australia, but if it is I'll
> definitely get myself a copy. :-)
>
>
David.
Zee
because it is done by male pedos...i agree....but you forgot to
mention that the LIVE presentation of naked children is even worse
because of the direct contact between the pedo and the child.....if a
child is photographed from a parked RV and the child is not aware of it
and the photo is used for pedo delights then this is the least harmful
but of course if the photo is later used againt the child when it
becomes an adult that is bad.....so the nudist camp itself is bad for
two reasons....photography does occur of children and there is the LIVE
factor plus blooming inspiration can occur with the LIVE to awaken the
pedo libido in males who MIGHT BECOME ACTIVE PEDOS......so rather than
to appear you have a double standard...it would be best to assail the
live nudist camp with naked children also which is likely to be one of
the root causes of kiddie naked pictures and of course this does not
remove all responsibility from the parents to not allow such
photography....jonZeee
Anna wrote
>
> Naked pictures of girls just appeals to too many people out there for
> sexual reasons. It may not effect nudists that way, but unless you
> really want to live in a nudist colony (a community that is set aside
-T.
>the LIVE presentation of naked children is even worse
>because of the direct contact between the pedo and the child....
So, you shouldn't be around children, got it.
>child is photographed from a parked RV and the child is not aware of it
>and the photo is used for pedo delights
But, of course, it doesn't have to be a picture of a naked child. The
same motorhome could be parked outside the local swimming pool or
playground.
>there is the LIVE
>factor plus blooming inspiration can occur with the LIVE to awaken the
>pedo libido in males who MIGHT BECOME ACTIVE PEDOS......
If only ir were that easy. Pedophilia is a function of the pedophile,
not his/her surroundings.
>so rather than
>to appear you have a double standard..
You mean like being a pedo and then posting warnings on a newsgroup?
>it would be best to assail the
>live nudist camp
What other kind are there, eh?
>with naked children also which is likely to be one of
>the root causes of kiddie naked pictures
Likely? I thought you were an expert. Surely you have some verifiable
data regarding this problem?
Zee
on the planet earth regarding pictures that might appear in the
newspaper or tv or on a telephone post of children fully clothed on a
school ground.....in fact i would encourage this type of photography to
appear everywhere to allow everyone to see normal children in a
wholesome environment playing as they should.....of course pedos are
not interested in this type photography.....my cell phone will take
those videos as i drive down the street....but in this sordid depraved
world no one is interested in those photos....as all the pedo are
interested in the naked photos.....i know T ...you had a bad week last
week...and here it is monday and you still are making an ass of
yourself.......and yes i would encourage all folks to listen to what a
pedo has to say because he relates how a pedo thinks.....as water leaks
should be brought to the attention of a a plumber who can fix it....he
he ha ha....may be you just do not know how to win...huh.....jonZeee
-T. wrote
Anna
-T. wrote:
> On 10 Dec 2006 08:43:55 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
> >And I am sure that the next book this guy does will be of naked guys,
> >right?
>
> Sure. I mean if someone does a book on landscapes, the next one would
> have to be on still lifes, right?
The point is that he doesn't do photos of nude men because he isn't
homosexual so he doesn't get any sexual charge out of seeing nude males
as he does nude females.
> And men, traditionally have such
> huge self esteem issues surrounding their bodies....
Well at least one part of their body.
Anna
David Looser wrote:
> <quote>
>
> Cordelle wouldn't call himself a nudist
>
> <unquote>
Meaning he doesn't practice non-sexualized nudity.
> As for him being a pedophile that would depend on what he meant by "girls",
> the term is widely applied to young women.
He has photographs of Females 1-100 so take your pick on what you want
to define as a "girl".
Anna
Bert Clanton wrote:
> As difficult as it may be for you to conceive, a considerable majority
> of nudist males no longer automatically attach erotic significance to
> female nudity.
A majority isn't all males. Majority means that there is a minority of
nudist males who do automatically attach erotic significance to female
nudity
This is not at all to say that those males have become
> psychological eunuchs: we are just as much attracted to the sexual
> beauty of some women's bodies as a "textile" male would be, but for us
> this is pretty much independent of whether the woman is clothed or nude.
Then why is this guy taking pictures of nude females. I thought the
point of nudism was to be nude yourself not to see other people nude.
> Whether you like it or not, and obviously you don't, men simply *are*
> going to be sexually attracted to women, and simply *are* going to like
> looking at women, nude or clothed.
That is why perhaps it is appropriate for males and females not to be
nude in front of each other for they will be sexually attracted to
each other.
> For a "textile" male, female nudity
> *will* be erotically significant: that's the way he has been
> socialized, and he hasn't learned any better.
Nudists need to understand that and not produce things like videos of
naked women like the Holy Nature people do (although they know what
they are doing).
>But it really is often
> the case that for a nudist male in a nudist setting, *his attention
> simply is not on the fact that a woman is nude*.
Ok, but how about the textile who sees these nude photographs or
videos?
> It seems to me that the important question is not whether we males like
> looking at women, whether they're clothed or nude: we just *do*. The
> important question is whether we males *behave* politely and
> considerately toward women, nude or clothed.
Agreed. But a males attitude is very important. Sure we aren't mind
readers and fortunately our thoughts are our own, but still a male who
is thinking about it gives off subtle signs through body language, eyes
and stuff that people can pick up if only on a subconscious level
ruining the vibe, ruining the atmosphere of the club.
> A majority of us are
> gentlemen, and we *do* act like gentlemen, at nudist venues and
> elsewhere.
Good
> Although I behave always in a gentlemanly fashion, I like looking at
> pictures of attractive women, nude or clothed.
Again, perhaps that is why nudism can't work. Once males and females
get to an age where they are attracted to each other perhaps they
shouldn't be nude around each other anymore. Perhaps it is naive for
nudists to think they can retain the state they were in as children.
>If a woman, nude or
> clothed, enjoys being looked at, and consents to having her picture
> taken and published, I say more power to her.
That's not nudism. Tha'ts exhibitionism.
Richard C.
>
> -T. wrote:
>> On 10 Dec 2006 08:43:55 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >And I am sure that the next book this guy does will be of naked guys,
>> >right?
>>
>> Sure. I mean if someone does a book on landscapes, the next one would
>> have to be on still lifes, right?
>
> The point is that he doesn't do photos of nude men because he isn't
> homosexual so he doesn't get any sexual charge out of seeing nude males
> as he does nude females.
>
The point is that you are an ASS!
You do not even have a clue about the book.
You make a bigger fool of yourself each time you post.
=================================
>
>> And men, traditionally have such
>> huge self esteem issues surrounding their bodies....
>
> Well at least one part of their body.
>
bull.............
Richard C.
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How about these: (all from the book)
http://www.thecenturyproject.com/images/11jody33.jpg
http://www.thecenturyproject.com/images/12lind33.jpg
http://www.thecenturyproject.com/images/15jacq38.jpg
http://www.thecenturyproject.com/images/mary_94.jpg
Guess it must be porn if YOU say it is.............
You are a fool!
====================
Richard C.
>
> Then why is this guy taking pictures of nude females. I thought the
> point of nudism was to be nude yourself not to see other people nude.
>
Stop being ignorant!
Find out for yourself:
http://www.thecenturyproject.com/project.htm
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>
> Ok, but how about the textile who sees these nude photographs or
> videos?
>
Maybe they will find out that the human body is just a natural thing!?!
=============================
>
>>If a woman, nude or
>> clothed, enjoys being looked at, and consents to having her picture
>> taken and published, I say more power to her.
>
> That's not nudism. Tha'ts exhibitionism.
>
Bullshit!
Football is more exhibitionist (players and fans alike).
You just have a mind that cannot free itself from sexual thoughts.
Anna
How about the 8, 9, 10, 11,12,13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old photos?
I don't think they are porn but I think people could use it as porn.
Richard C.
How about them?
Beautiful, aren't they.
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>
> I don't think they are porn but I think people could use it as porn.
>
=======================
Which means you DO think they are porn.
David Looser
>
> Bert Clanton wrote:
>
>> Whether you like it or not, and obviously you don't, men simply *are*
>> going to be sexually attracted to women, and simply *are* going to like
>> looking at women, nude or clothed.
>
> That is why perhaps it is appropriate for males and females not to be
> nude in front of each other for they will be sexually attracted to
> each other.
>
clothed or otherwise. And of course this is also true the other way round.
If you want to avoid this then you have to keep the sexes strictly
segregated, "covering the crotch" (to quote someone) makes very little
difference. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you ought to go and
live in a strict Islamic state, like Saudi Arabia, they think just the way
you do.
David.
Anna
David Looser wrote:
> "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:1165857361.5...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> clothed or otherwise.
My name is Anna, and if that is true and they adopt a nonsexual mindset
for at least during the time they are at the club then perhaps nudity
in mixed gender (I looked it up in the dictionary I am using the word
right) isn't appropriate for that reason.
> If you want to avoid this then you have to keep the sexes strictly
> segregated, "covering the crotch" (to quote someone) makes very little
> difference.
You get to see the sex organs and adults know what those sex organs are
for (that is why little kids can go around nude without it being
sexual).
>I've said it before and I'll say it again, you ought to go and
> live in a strict Islamic state, like Saudi Arabia, they think just the way
> you do.
No, they take it to an extreme.
Bert Clanton
>
> Bert Clanton wrote:
>
>> As difficult as it may be for you to conceive, a considerable majority
>> of nudist males no longer automatically attach erotic significance to
>> female nudity.
>
> A majority isn't all males. Majority means that there is a minority of
> nudist males who do automatically attach erotic significance to female
> nudity
Which would be bad if there were something wrong with erotic
significance, independent of how such males *behave* toward women to
whom they are attracted. I've got news for you. There are doubtless
many men who *do* get turned on by female nudity, but who are *still*
polite and considerate toward nude women. All us men are *not* beasts,
even the "textiles" among us.
>
> This is not at all to say that those males have become
>> psychological eunuchs: we are just as much attracted to the sexual
>> beauty of some women's bodies as a "textile" male would be, but for us
>> this is pretty much independent of whether the woman is clothed or nude.
>
> Then why is this guy taking pictures of nude females. I thought the
> point of nudism was to be nude yourself not to see other people nude.
For me, the point of nudism is simply to be free of the mistaken belief
that there's something wrong with nude bodies. Also for me personally,
as an intelligent person rather than a nudist, the point of my own
belief system is simply to be free of the mistaken belief that there's
something wrong with being sexually attracted to other people even if
you treat them with respect.
>
>> Whether you like it or not, and obviously you don't, men simply *are*
>> going to be sexually attracted to women, and simply *are* going to like
>> looking at women, nude or clothed.
>
> That is why perhaps it is appropriate for males and females not to be
> nude in front of each other for they will be sexually attracted to
> each other.
...and I personally regard such attraction as one of the most enjoyable
aspects of being a human being, not as some kind of disaster...
>
>> For a "textile" male, female nudity
>> *will* be erotically significant: that's the way he has been
>> socialized, and he hasn't learned any better.
>
> Nudists need to understand that and not produce things like videos of
> naked women like the Holy Nature people do (although they know what
> they are doing).
I'd agree that it's sad if a guy has to get his sexual excitement from
looking at nude women. But as long as the women being looked at are not
being exploited or offended, I don't think that the poor guy is harming
anyone.
>
>> But it really is often
>> the case that for a nudist male in a nudist setting, *his attention
>> simply is not on the fact that a woman is nude*.
>
> Ok, but how about the textile who sees these nude photographs or
> videos?
How about him indeed? Even if he gets aroused, whom is he harming?
>
>> It seems to me that the important question is not whether we males like
>> looking at women, whether they're clothed or nude: we just *do*. The
>> important question is whether we males *behave* politely and
>> considerately toward women, nude or clothed.
>
> Agreed. But a males attitude is very important. Sure we aren't mind
> readers and fortunately our thoughts are our own, but still a male who
> is thinking about it gives off subtle signs through body language, eyes
> and stuff that people can pick up if only on a subconscious level
> ruining the vibe, ruining the atmosphere of the club.
I think it would be way cool if women who feel as you do would take a
more realistic and accepting view of how the male brain works, so long
as the males in question *behave* politely and considerately.
>
>> A majority of us are
>> gentlemen, and we *do* act like gentlemen, at nudist venues and
>> elsewhere.
>
> Good
>
>> Although I behave always in a gentlemanly fashion, I like looking at
>> pictures of attractive women, nude or clothed.
>
> Again, perhaps that is why nudism can't work.
But in fact nudism *does* work, as most nudists, both male and female,
will tell you! You're putting your unsupported speculations up against
the actual experience of the great majority of people who are actually
practicing nudists.
> Once males and females
> get to an age where they are attracted to each other perhaps they
> shouldn't be nude around each other anymore. Perhaps it is naive for
> nudists to think they can retain the state they were in as children.
Perhaps it's even more naive to think that they *should* retain that state!
>
>> If a woman, nude or
>> clothed, enjoys being looked at, and consents to having her picture
>> taken and published, I say more power to her.
>
> That's not nudism. Tha'ts exhibitionism.
Whatever. I like looking at pretty women. I see no reason to apologize
for that fact.
Best wishes,
Bert
Dan Abel
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
> My name is Anna
Or Max. Or nw. Or Jeff. I think there have some other names, but I
can't be bothered to remember.
Zee
those ol tracks are wavy...they get to jumping around and if one jumps
the track and going too fast it can be disaster....you got a little too
fast on the.................that is why little kids can go around nude
without it being sexual.......yeah right....this could be true as
everybody in town could take off their clothes and go to walmart and
not one sexual thing would happn but hey that is not worth mentioning
as there is great chance it wont happen thay way......in this day and
age little girls see all the whores on tv and wonder what it is like to
being the bitch in the barn and they are already jack in off and then
they are taken to the nudist camp and they have hard clits from
checking out the guys dicks and all the other kids are seeing this and
some more join in.....and what you said is probably not going to be
true.....careful on those curves....jonZeee.
-T.
>
>-T. wrote:
>> On 10 Dec 2006 08:43:55 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >And I am sure that the next book this guy does will be of naked guys,
>> >right?
>>
>> Sure. I mean if someone does a book on landscapes, the next one would
>> have to be on still lifes, right?
>
>The point is that he doesn't do photos of nude men because he isn't
>homosexual so he doesn't get any sexual charge out of seeing nude males
>as he does nude females.
That is your take on it. One based on absolutrly no evidence.
>
>
>> And men, traditionally have such
>> huge self esteem issues surrounding their bodies....
>
>Well at least one part of their body.
Nope, again. You're not very good at this are you?
-T.
(why is your email invalid?)
-T.
>How about the 8, 9, 10, 11,12,13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old photos?
If you are doing a "Century Project" you kinda want those in there,
don't you think?
>I don't think they are porn but I think people could use it as porn.
That is the responsibility of the user. They are not porn. They are
not marketed as porn. Art cannot be based on what someone "might" us
it for.
-T.
-T.
>My name is Anna,
Then you shouldn't have posted as Jeff. And answered posts to Jeff
while posting as Anna.
-T.
pedophile, misogynist, racist, and Anna's best bud wrote:
>......in this day and
>age little girls see all the whores on tv and wonder what it is like to
>being the bitch in the barn and they are already jack in off and then
>they are taken to the nudist camp and they have hard clits from
>checking out the guys dicks and all the other kids are seeing this and
>some more join in.....
Anna's ally. Bet she's proud.
-T.
pedophile, misogynist, racist, and proven liar, crawled over to the
keyboard just long enough to drool:
>man O man what a catch....GOTCHA...i have not ever heard of a complaint
>on the planet earth regarding pictures that might appear in the
>newspaper or tv or on a telephone post of children fully clothed on a
>school ground....
Howitt, D. Pornography and the paedophile: Is it criminogenic? British
Journal of Medical Psychology, 1995 68:15-27.
Abstract: Presents case studies of 11 fixated adult male pedophiles
interviewed in a private clinic for sex offenders about topics
including their offending, their psychosexual histories, pornography,
fantasy, and sexual abuse in childhood. Commercial pornography was
rarely a significant aspect of their use of erotica although some
experience of such materials was typical. Most common was "soft-core"
heterosexually oriented pornography. Explicit child pornography was
uncommon. However, Subjects also generated their own erotic materials
from relatively innocuous sources such as television advertisements,
clothing catalogs featuring children modeling underwear, and similar
sources. In no case did exposure to pornography precede
offending-related behavior in childhood.
I could find more if you wish.
>....of course pedos are
>not interested in this type photography.....
Demonstrably false. See above.
>my cell phone will take
>those videos as i drive down the street....but in this sordid depraved
>world no one is interested in those photos....
Demonstrably false.
>as all the pedo are
>interested in the naked photos....
Demonstrably false.
>.i know T ...you had a bad week last
>week...
I had a great week. Always a pleasure doing business with you Jon.
>.....and yes i would encourage all folks to listen to what a
>pedo has to say because he relates how a pedo thinks.....
Well, since YOU are our RESIDENT PEDO....I imagine that you would
enjoy the attention.
David Looser
>
> David Looser wrote:
>
>>I've said it before and I'll say it again, you ought to go and
>> live in a strict Islamic state, like Saudi Arabia, they think just the
>> way
>> you do.
>
> No, they take it to an extreme.
>
Exactly, which is why it would suit you so well.
David.
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"-T." <stinson...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Anna
-T. wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2006 15:49:19 -0800, "Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> admitted
> pedophile, misogynist, racist, and Anna's best bud wrote:
>
> >......in this day and
> >age little girls see all the whores on tv and wonder what it is like to
> >being the bitch in the barn and they are already jack in off and then
> >they are taken to the nudist camp and they have hard clits from
> >checking out the guys dicks and all the other kids are seeing this and
> >some more join in.....
>
> Anna's ally. Bet she's proud.
>
> -T.
I don't agree with much of what jonzee has to say, but sometimes he has
a valid point.
I don't think he is correct about how most nudist children respond. My
main concern about nudist children is that lacking nudity to go to when
they want to experiment with something a little racy (which nudism
isn't that is why it is a safe form of that kind of exploration) they
might go in for the real sex stuff. They get no charge of seeing the
other sex nude so they must up the anty a bit and get into stuff that
is actually harmful instead of safe like nudity is..
-T.
>I don't think he is correct about how most nudist children respond. My
>main concern about nudist children is that lacking nudity to go to when
>they want to experiment with something a little racy (which nudism
>isn't that is why it is a safe form of that kind of exploration) they
>might go in for the real sex stuff. They get no charge of seeing the
>other sex nude so they must up the anty a bit and get into stuff that
>is actually harmful instead of safe like nudity is..
And do you think that was your buddy's point?
Zee
mature adults ...even some nudist would be alarmed....and of course all
the textiles except the swinging kind.....ref...most, racy,isnt,,, this
does not fit your usual post of mentioning ...bdsm,as not being a part,
of non sexual nudism,,where you ALWAYS SAY....that a perfect nudism
probably cannot happen because of the sexual content...even going so
far as to say....sexual thoughts should not be a part of social
nudism.....yet you mention the word RACY....i see that as being
thoughts and behavior leaning toward sexual......and then within a few
words you mention social nudism is not sexual...and you have told us
soooo many times that your experience is limited......it does appear
you are confused...saying if a child wants to experiment with something
a little RACY...nudism is better than going to the real stuff....how
can you say social nudism is not sexual when you have posted sexual
content from official news here in rec nude......can you read this and
understand how i am confused and a few others about what you really
believe and it leans toward multible standards......your standard of
condoning racy for children is very troubling as children is never
legally allowed to participate in anything racy......can you explain
....if you are confused just go back to square one and slowly come
forward on this thread and you will see what i mean.....jonZeee
David Looser
news:1166031158.0...@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
....how
> can you say social nudism is not sexual when you have posted sexual
> content from official news here in rec nude
Rather like saying "How can you say that flying is not dangerous when you
have posted official accounts of air accidents?"
David.
Zee
..but they can ride in them if adults are flying them....if if if there
is not racy stuff going on....and thats the reason for the no titty
sucking by kids or adults...jonZeee
Anna
Zee wrote:
> Anna......there are words below that you used that are troubling for
> mature adults ...even some nudist would be alarmed....and of course all
> the textiles except the swinging kind.....ref...most, racy,isnt,,, this
> does not fit your usual post of mentioning ...bdsm,as not being a part,
> of non sexual nudism,,where you ALWAYS SAY....that a perfect nudism
> probably cannot happen because of the sexual content...even going so
> far as to say....sexual thoughts should not be a part of social
> nudism.....yet you mention the word RACY....i see that as being
> thoughts and behavior leaning toward sexual......and then within a few
> words you mention social nudism is not sexual...and you have told us
> soooo many times that your experience is limited......it does appear
> you are confused...saying if a child wants to experiment with something
> a little RACY...nudism is better than going to the real stuff....how
> can you say social nudism is not sexual when you have posted sexual
> content from official news here in rec nude......can you read this and
> understand how i am confused and a few others about what you really
> believe and it leans toward multible standards......your standard of
> condoning racy for children is very troubling as children is never
> legally allowed to participate in anything racy......can you explain
> ....if you are confused just go back to square one and slowly come
> forward on this thread and you will see what i mean.....jonZeee
What I am saying is that when textile teens want to say experiment a
bit with their burgeoning sexuality they might sneak a look at Dad's
magazines under his bed, go skinny-dipping with a mixed sex group of
friends, or something like that, and seeing nude people would statisfy
them.
But for nudist teens, seeing nude people is no big deal, so they might
have go for something like practicing petting with their girl/boy
friend or something like that. They don't have the safe line of nudism
to cross over to so they cross over to something dangerous.
I hoped I explained that well enough. And everyone has the desire to
cross over once in a while.
David Looser
> EXACTLY.....so thats the reason little kids are not to fly airplanes
> ..but they can ride in them if adults are flying them....if if if there
> is not racy stuff going on....and thats the reason for the no titty
> sucking by kids or adults...jonZeee
Ah!, so children are protected from dying in plane crashes if they are
travelling with an adult. I'm glad you explained that to us jonZee. It takes
a man of your amazing intelligence to see these things.
David.
David Looser
>
> What I am saying is that when textile teens want to say experiment a
> bit with their burgeoning sexuality they might sneak a look at Dad's
> magazines under his bed, go skinny-dipping with a mixed sex group of
> friends, or something like that, and seeing nude people would statisfy
> them.
>
> But for nudist teens, seeing nude people is no big deal, so they might
> have go for something like practicing petting with their girl/boy
> friend or something like that. They don't have the safe line of nudism
> to cross over to so they cross over to something dangerous.
>
> I hoped I explained that well enough. And everyone has the desire to
> cross over once in a while.
>
the children grow up well aware of what naked adults look like are LESS
likely to experiment with sex at an early age and LESS likely to get
pregnant as teenagers.
Go figure.
David.
Zee
mom is a single mom and is working long hours ...possibly at
night...and is limited with funds to properly have the child cared for
and is pleading with the CPS to not take the kid from her and is saying
at least some of the LUSTFUL yearnings of a TEENAGER IS BEING
SATISFIED....neither grandma or the CPS is going to be impressed with
this resume of child care as there is other solutions to satisfying the
lustful desires of teenagers and of course you failed to mention the
preteen impressionable age children......so what shall we do about the
cyndianns and jenns and all the pedos and perverts that inhabit the
grounds of nudist camps that are naked and wanting to exploit the
child.....how can you justify this environment as being wholesome and
child friendly....when there are two parent families that have children
and means to offer their children ....church...friendship etc...with a
more watchful eye on their children absent of dirty magazines under the
bed......this same mom you speak of apparently married a guy that has
dirty magazines under the bed and this is absolutely a non child
friendly home....and a lustful naked camp is certainly not the best
alternative to the solution .....and not in the best interest of the
child...why do you choose to disagree with the child protective
services....never in the history of the CPS have they ever ever ever
agreed with the parent of a child to allow them to take them to nudist
camps as an alternative to other forms of relaxation...friendship and
pastime....a child can find decent friendship in school that have
parents that will help a single mom with their children but to plunge a
kid into a nudist crotch exposing environment where said child may lose
contact and friendship with their textiles friends is a court of last
resort that is not good and sounds like a cop out.....jonZeee
Anna wrote
Zee
have a tendency to go off the deep in as a way to cling on...but hey
taking a kid to a crotch exposing event is an elected activity purely
by choice and not necessary....rather taking a flight as a means of
transportation rather than vehicle is a necessity ....same as a school
bus that is dangerous.....to be perfectly safe ...if all males were
sterolized and no children could be born that would be a cure to child
safety...dont you think....sheesh.....jonZeee
Jan Dijkman
following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering this
gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our Marbles!"
>
> Jan Dijkman wrote:
>> On 8 December 12006, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> scrawled:
>> > -T. wrote:
>> >> On 6 Dec 2006 15:03:24 -0800, "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Pedophile comes to mind.
>> >> And idiot comes to mind when I read your tripe. What in the name of
>> >> all that is holy led you to the word pedophile?
>>
>> > The focus of his life is taking pictures of naked girls. What would you
>> > call that?
>>
>> The focus of his life is to take nude pictures of women ranging in age
>> from 0 to 100. It takes a particularly warped mind to see a pedophile in
>> that...and no nudist would ever make the crucial step in that roller
>> coaster mind warp: to equate nude photography with pornography.
>> Be honest, admit you aren't a nudist. You'll feel better. Trust me.
> Why only naked women? Why not naked men as well?
Maybe he thinks men don't need liberation? Maybe he doesn't feel
comfortable with naked men? What's it matter anyway? I'd've thought you
as a woman would be overjoyed with anyone who strives to show women as
they really are...but that's presuming you are a woman.
I do agree that a similar project with naked men would be good too, and
i'd join one, if i knew of one in my area. Oh, and i wouldn't care about
the gender of the photographer.
> I can understand a woman doing this to promote womanhood, and stuff
> like that.
Oh don't be sexist. Why couldn't a man want to do this? Don't you
realise there are many men who are as fed up with the popular image of
the sexes as most women are? And with the way women are treated in
general?
> http://www.compulsiveeating.com/PR_Naked_Truths.htm
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/132940_vmcgrady30.html
Commendable projects, too.
> But for a man to be so interested in taking naked pictures of women
> including girls it isn't for the sake of art that he is doing it.
Don't be sexist. Surprisingly (for you) few men have sex on the mind
24/7. Besides, you could argue the same for women, since surprisingly
many do think of sex at least part of the day.
> I may have a nudist mindset but I also must live in the real world.
No, you don't have a nudist mindset. You'dn't think in these ludicrous
paradigms if you did. Come on, admit you're not a nudist. You'll feel
better, i promise.
Jan Dijkman
Jan Dijkman
following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering this
gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our Marbles!"
<snippers>
> The point is that he doesn't do photos of nude men because he isn't
> homosexual so he doesn't get any sexual charge out of seeing nude males
> as he does nude females.
Maybe he /is/ homosexual, and doesn't feel comfortable with naked men?
Jan Dijkman
David Looser
> looser ....i realize that when you are interacting with me that you
> have a tendency to go off the deep
That was sarcasm jonZee (look it up in a dictionary jonZee - if you know
how to use one). But what did you expect?, you responded to my post with
"EXACTLY",and then followed that up with words which didn't even begin to
address my point, or even suggest that you had understood it. Your words
also, amazingly, implied that, to your mind, breast-feeding is "racy". You
have obviously never witnessed a woman breast-feeding jonZee, if you had you
would know that it's about as "racy" as watching her darn a pair of socks.
Now you are claiming that taking a flight is "a necessity", really?, since
when?
...if all males were
> sterolized and no children could be born that would be a cure to child
> safety...dont you think....
Well if your father had been sterilised before you were conceived that would
have contributed greatly to child safety and, judging by some of the other
crap that you have posted here, world peace.
You are a really strange man jonZee, if there's any truth in anything you
have ever said you are elderly, yet you still have the kind of prurient
attitude to sex and sexuality of the pubescent boy (such as your giggling
embarrasment at the mere idea of breast-feeding). Don't you think it about
time you grew up?
> sheesh.....
Precisely!
David.
Zee
havent....life is an attitude.....and you are serious about your lust
and depravity and it consumes you....you are typical british and have
no sense of humor...and your kind says if you will always be
politically correct you will feel better.....hell i always figured
things for myself and that is all garbage portrayed by a bunch of
depressed folks....i have only stated what the CFR might have in
mind....concerning world peace.....to do nothing...in essence....and
let the winner rise to the forefront where you can tell where the enemy
is positioned ...and conquer...but the depressed says i have suffered
long and want instant gratification....yep that fits you and your kind
perfectly....well with a sense of humor which is good for self
preservation....causes one to enjoy life enough to not want instant
gratification as gratification may be down the road months or years per
patience and treachery.....clinical diagnosis could be beneficial to
your well being if you will follow the prescription......now about the
kiddies....in years to come when the dust settles it may be decided
that man is so consumed with immediate reactions to child abuse and
molestation that he will finally acknowlege .....rational thinking
comes into play......that children are being molested and abused by
criminal minded folks that are hell bent on exacting pain on the
innocent as they are cowards and do not dare do these deeds to the
adults...and OTOH man may discover that pedophiles are not molesters
but have a true and genuine love for kids and the best interest of the
children would be to take them from their dysfunctional and hate filled
criminal minded parents and let all child care institutions be manned
by pedophiles....the present mentality is that pedophiles are sexually
turned on by youth period...... meaning children....well men are turned
on to their wives and vice versa but they do not molest or abuse them
generally speaking.....and the reason is the sincere love and caring
they have for their mates....and this could be said for the pedophile
also.....jonZeee
Zee
those contemptuous words of ignorance... as you are one of the problems
with the child molestations in the usa...photographers,,and staff and
parents that molest children in the usa are not true pedophiles
....rather brutal child abusers and rapist...and you are the nudist
type that agravates this nuisance by promoting naked child photography
and hiring staff of this criminal mentality and allowing them to mengle
with the nudist children until they rape and assault a child.....you
are so ignorant about criminal intent and provide a safe haven for
these folks to operate......while tens and thousands of pedophiles come
and go through the gates of the nudist world and have never and will
never assault a child....but if one of these guys shows signs of turn
on.....you assail him ...and protect the parents and photographers and
staff....that is looking for a time and place to assault a child and
then scream to the media....we are soooo shocked...he did not seem to
be turned on to the children.....hell no he is not a true
pedophile....if you had looked closer instead of watching the wrong guy
you would have detected his criminal intent.....the pedo with the hard
on does not rape or molest the children...the ones that hang around the
children without the hard on are the ones you better watch...such as
the guy that seems to always take the kids on trips and gives them the
party on sat nite with winnie roast etc.....and is wanting to take
pictures of them....true pedophiles do not take pictures of naked
people or kids.......jonZeee
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes> news:1166188416.4...@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> > and OTOH man may discover that pedophiles are not molesters
> > but have a true and genuine love for kids and the best interest of the
> > children would be to take them from their dysfunctional and hate filled
> > criminal minded parents and let all child care institutions be manned
> > by pedophiles....
> <<>>
> > they have for their mates....and this could be said for the pedophile
> > also.....jonZeee
> >
> I guess that says all we need to know about you.
Zee
to so ho from the scotish highlands and spend a week at Christmas time
with uncle charlie....and this poor kid has been walking around with
wet panties ever since......don tell me its not a
necessity....sheesh..jonZeee
David Looser wrote
-T.
...well men are turned
>on to their wives and vice versa but they do not molest or abuse them
>generally speaking.....and the reason is the sincere love and caring
>they have for their mates....
AND (this is important) their spouses are capable of mutual consenting
relationships.
>and this could be said for the pedophile
No, it most certainly could NOT.
-T.
>richard i knew it would take about ten minutes for you to respond with
>those contemptuous words of ignorance... as you are one of the problems
>with the child molestations in the usa...
The only people RESPONSIBLE for child molestation, are the molestors.
Nobody else. Period. You can blame the whole world for your
perversion, but you own it. It doesn't belong to the world.
>...and you are the nudist
>type that agravates this nuisance by promoting naked child photography
>and hiring staff of this criminal mentality and allowing them to mengle
>with the nudist children
Excuse me? If the is as endemic as you suggest, why isn't law
enforcement involved???? Cause you're blowing smoke out of your ass,
as usual.
>.....you
>are so ignorant about criminal intent and provide a safe haven for
>these folks to operate......
C'mon Nikki, er, Jon! Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
>while tens and thousands of pedophiles come
>and go through the gates of the nudist world and have never and will
>never assault a child....
Tens of thousands???????????? Oh, that's right! The weekend is coming
up. Time for another one of your fantasies.
>but if one of these guys shows signs of turn
>on.....you assail him ..
Cause he's RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS DISEASE! That's how the world works,
bub.
>and protect the parents and photographers and
>staff....
Because they're not the ones with the disease.
>....true pedophiles do not take pictures of naked
>people or kids.......
Time for your thorazine. Go along quietly.
Zee
disease....how about sexual orientation.....or or or or a disease
brought on by dysfunctional parents that threw their kid naked out
with the bathwater to see if anybody could catch their crotch exposing
disease.....or change someones sexual orientation.....shame on you
T...jonZeee
Zee
target of law enforcement for many years with the aid of Child
Protective Services....and actually addressing the issue of child
molestations being embedded in the management of nudist camps and
dallas police child exploitation division has said that parents are
irresponsible to take their children where these child rapist are
present.....and as Dennis reports in ohio....the penaties for crotch
exposing are being made more severe.......what the hell more can law
enforcement do....T you are really in a trap with no where to
go.....the good pedophiles that see their orientation to ward the young
lies at the doorstep of child nakedness plus the additon of child porn
that is so rampant ....per you parents that throw your kids naked into
public for society to feed on.....at hippie hollow law enforcement is
now doing what the parents should have been doing all along.....deny
the children to participate in crotch exposing.....run along and take
your medicine...sickly one.....jonZeee
-T.
>he he.....oh i get it....now you have escalated pedophilia into a
>disease...
Not me. The American Psychiatric Association:
"Most adults who sexually molest children are considered to have
pedophilia, a mental disorder described in the American Psychiatric
Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
Fourth Edition (DSM-IV). An adult who engages in sexual activity with
a child is performing a criminal and immoral act that never can be
considered normal or socially acceptable behavior.
Pedophilia is categorized in the DSM-IV as one of several paraphiliac
mental disorders. The essential features of a paraphilia (sexual
deviation) are recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual
urges or behaviors that generally involve nonhuman subjects, the
suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner, or children or
other nonconsenting persons."
Yer a sick puppy, bub.
-T.
-T.
>......the original cancer of crotch exposing is and has been the
>target of law enforcement for many years with the aid of Child
>Protective Services....
With very, very little in the way of arrests or convictions. Certainly
at no higher rate than clothed society and likely, not as much.
>dallas police child exploitation division has said that parents are
>irresponsible to take their children where these child rapist are
>present....
Where, exactly, do child rapists exist, law enforcement is aware of
it, and is doing nothing? Me thinks yer making it up again. Feel free
to post the quote and show everyone how wrong I am.
>.....the good pedophiles that see their orientation to ward the young
>lies at the doorstep of child nakedness plus the additon of child porn
>that is so rampant ...
You know. Nothing in the literature support anything you say about
pedophiles. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
>.....run along and take
>your medicine...sickly one....
Nice try, Jon, but YOU are the one with the disease.
-T.
Zee
social workers and all the other phony shrinks that get their info from
jail house inmates....yeah those nudist camp photographers and managers
and staff are of the same type.....but the nudist camp pedo that has a
hard on around children and have never molested a child or will never
molest a child because of high moral standards is not addressed
here......HOW COME IT ONLY MENTION'S THE PEDOPHILES THAT MOLEST ....it
is becasue they are idiots and dont know that those pedos can be found
in abundance at nudist camps......AND WHAT DO WE CALL THEM.....foley
did cross the line...he teased the boys for attention but did not
receive it back...that is a no no...but even though a couple of boys
have said that he molested them from florida...nothing has come of that
as i know....but i do know that the government is still using him in
relation to child and sexual abuse and feel he is an asset....now the
nudist camp pedo became a victim of this orientation when they first
saw naked kids in those ol nudist magazines of sixties and
seventies...and said hey i think i will become a nudist and check these
kids out...and lo and behold...they were kids of incestuous families
and famililes that allow their kids to run naked and be free to
experiment with sex.....YEAH RIGHT...the perfect laboratory to study
the behavior of sexually liberated naked kids and textile adults coming
to check it out.....so this is the real truth and forget the criminal
types...criminal types will always be around ...and you mention the
dallas police dept must investigate lots more molestation cases than at
nudist camps.....hey idiot...did you fail math in school....with a hand
full of nudist kids in and around large cities....vs millions of
textiles kids...that is a stupid statement on your part...if one nudist
kid is sexually abused in ten years...then the ratio goes through the
roof for an outrageous amount of nudist molestations compared to
textile and police are not that equipped to police the behavior of
pedophiles and nudist kids at nudist camps.....but they are aware that
ignorant parents are there and exploiting their children....but they
figure they are white trash kids and therefore would turn out to be
whores and whatever type losers and this is certainly true in some
cases that i am aware of.....and you T are in that group and you know
it....jonZeee
Richard C.
> he he.....oh i get it....now you have escalated pedophilia into a
> disease....how about sexual orientation.....or or or or a disease
> brought on by dysfunctional parents that threw their kid naked out
> with the bathwater to see if anybody could catch their crotch exposing
> disease.....or change someones sexual orientation.....shame on you
> T...jonZeee
===========================
One thing we all know is that YOU are diseased and a danger to children.
============================
Richard C.
news:0i88o2l5ht4h3afo6...@4ax.com...
>
> The essential features of a paraphilia (sexual
> deviation) are recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual
> urges or behaviors that generally involve nonhuman subjects, the
> suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner, or children or
> other nonconsenting persons."
>
Sounds like a perfect description of jz (as well as anna).
Richard C.
Get help, John Z. Simmons!
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"Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1166290686.5...@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
cyndiann
wrote:
> Your posts only substantiate your sickness further.
>
> Get help, John Z. Simmons!
>
You mean you actually read them?
-T.
>well so much for the dept of human services store front ex drug addict
>social workers and all the other phony shrinks that get their info from
>jail house inmates...
The American Psychiatric Association hardly fits that bill. You're not
going to weasel out of this that easily.
>yeah those nudist camp photographers and managers
>and staff are of the same type....
Based on what evidence? The world of one of the "good" pedophiles?
Good luck with that.
>but the nudist camp pedo that has a
>hard on around children and have never molested a child or will never
>molest a child because of high moral standards is not addressed
>here......
Actually it was addessed in the definition that I supplied. You
obviously missed it.
> ....it
>is becasue they are idiots and dont know that those pedos can be found
>in abundance at nudist camps......
Based on what evidence???? You have NOTHING! You have always had
NOTHING! And please spare us the dinosaur tales from Nikki. SHE
doesn't even bother to update her tripe.
>AND WHAT DO WE CALL THEM.....
Perverts. Deviants. Diseased. Get over it.
>foley did cross the line...he teased the boys for attention but did not
>receive it back...that is a no no...but even though a couple of boys
>have said that he molested them from florida...nothing has come of that
>as i know....but i do know that the government is still using him in
>relation to child and sexual abuse and feel he is an asset....
Where is HE in Nikki's Hall o' Sham? What? No government Hall o'
Sham???? Why not?
>the nudist camp pedo became a victim of this orientation when they first
>saw naked kids in those ol nudist magazines of sixties and
>seventies...
The disease is not the result of things on the outside of the pedo,
but on the inside. Blaming it on magazines of any kind is a cop out.
>...and lo and behold...they were kids of incestuous families
>and famililes that allow their kids to run naked and be free to
>experiment with sex...
That's YOUR story. Do you use it to justify your diseased attraction
for children? It's not YOUR fault, they WANT the attention. Is that
it?
>...and you mention the
>dallas police dept must investigate lots more molestation cases than at
>nudist camps.....hey idiot...did you fail math in school....with a hand
>full of nudist kids in and around large cities....vs millions of
>textiles kids...that is a stupid statement on your part...if one nudist
>kid is sexually abused in ten years...then the ratio goes through the
>roof for an outrageous amount of nudist molestations compared to
>textile and police are not that equipped to police the behavior of
>pedophiles and nudist kids at nudist camps.....
Hey, Jon? I teach math, among other things. All that I ask is that you
substantiate your claims with some hard data. You either can't or
won't do that. My money is on "can't". And usually, when you can't do
something, you resort to name calling.
>but they are aware that
>ignorant parents are there and exploiting their children....but they
>figure they are white trash kids and therefore would turn out to be
>whores and whatever type losers and this is certainly true in some
>cases that i am aware of...
No, what you said is that they had made some comments in this area.
All I asked for was a quote, and you couldn't even do that. You are a
one legged "person" in an ass kicking contest. Pathetic.
-T.
Terry J. Wood
80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:
> How about the 8, 9, 10, 11,12,13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old photos?
>
>
> I don't think they are porn but I think people could use it as porn.
There goes the "Sears Catalogue"
BTW: What nudist camps have you attended?
Terry J. Wood
>> call that?
> The focus of his life is to take nude pictures of women ranging in age
> from 0 to 100. It takes a particularly warped mind to see a pedophile in
> that...and no nudist would ever make the crucial step in that roller
> coaster mind warp: to equate nude photography with pornography.
> Be honest, admit you aren't a nudist. You'll feel better. Trust me.
Do we know someone who's obsessed with catching pedophiles, thinks that
naturism is overrun with pedophiles, and once called herself a nudist?
Gee, I wish I could remember her name...
Terry J. Wood
@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> I may have a nudist mindset
What nudist camps or events have you attended?
Terry J. Wood
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
> I am a woman,
Are you a feminist?