Zee is a lying, sick pedophile!
septithol
'interested in sex' with adults to the wrong person, asshole.
I had a really late puberty, Zee. I didn't reach puberty until a month
before my 18th birthday. A lot later than most people. We age slow, in
my family.
Unlike most people, I can still remember what it felt like, to some
degree, to be a child.
And it did not include ANY interest in sex. Children are not interested
in sex, in the normal sense of the word, prior to puberty. The
strongest feeling they have in respect to the subject is extremely
abstract curiousity. The crap you wrote is little more than a sick
fantasy.
Nudist children are not interested in sex. Textile children are not
interested in sex. NO children are interested in sex. The whole
category, as far as children below the age of puberty is concerned,
falls under the file marking of 'does not apply'.
You are so full of shit that it must be leaking out of your ears every
time you turn a corner.
Zee
septithol.....you really missed out....girl children as young as one
year old have been known to masturbate....and how about girls that have
pubic hair and start developing at eight....and fully developed at 10
...jonZeee
sportbug
children are preyed upon by adults, like yourself, perhaps?
septithol
AND armed. The mother and father are wearing holsters with 9mm
semi-automatic guns (and very little else)
Do you still act upon your 'honest' belief that the 9 year old girl in
the family 'wants' to have sex with you, while the WELL ARMED parents
are watching?
Well?
Hmm... I didn't think so.
I suggest you bear that in mind, over 50% of all Americans own a
firearm of some sort, pervert, they simply might not have it on their
person at any given moment. And you have no idea of whom they are. Even
those who don't own a gun personally can often obtain one very quickly.
Just a little something for Zee, the current lying pervert and future
morgue statistic to bear in mind.
Oh, and Zee? I note you still haven't learned to use the English
language. I told you specifically that I didn't reach puberty until a
month before I turned 18, so it's a bit irrelevent to bring into the
argument people who reach puberty at half that age. Furthermore, having
reached puberty that young, I suspect most of them really don't
remember what their thoughts and feeling BEFORE puberty were like. I
do. So anything you say about the subject is simply more of your
irrational, perverted Zee crap.
As for being 'inhuman' Zee, you fail the definition of humanity
yourself, on several counts, being unable to properly use language,
unable to control your perverted sexual urges, and unable to
distinguish between reality, and your sick, pedophile fantasies. I
suppose you should count yourself lucky that you live in the
mollycoddled 21st century, and not such a world as, say Frank Herbert's
Dune, where the Bene Gesserit would make short work of you with the Gom
Jabbar.
Zee
predators ...too many people would be acting like animals..jz
Zee
Zee
your 18 th birthday.....that was the day you tried to commit suicide
because your parents had molested you since you were a small
child...and you wanted to end it all but the police found you and you
were placed in a foster home....and you are now searching the internet
for predators and you feel all pedos ACT upon what they determine is a
willing and anxious victim.....sad....millions of men and women are
pedos like millions of folks might be homosexual but never act upon
their desires ...sex is complex.....do consult with your doctors as
they can change your behavior with medication to save yourself...jonZeee
septithol
Evasion noted.
Zee
to a person that is attracted sexually to persons of the opposite sex
under the age of 18..DEFINED AS A PEDOPHILE...makes no sense ...in a NG
about NUDE RECREATION...and especially when you state that you are not
a nudist or have interest in NUDE....and then you ramble and rave about
me being a fraud....and a liar.....this is absolute lunacy.....are you
recovering from being molested or know someone that was molested ...but
what does that have to do with me and my sexual attraction....i am not
a child molester and apparently you have it in your feeble mind that
sexually active children are constantly raped as they enjoy
masturbating and having sex with who ever...another child or
adult.....where nudism is a favorite place to see this kind of
activity.....where are you coming from and why are you here...and if
you have a problem mentally or otherwise....how can we help you
.....jonZeee
septithol wrote:
> (Zee crap snipped)
>
> Evasion noted.
Richard C.
news:1165182363.5...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
jonzee sees dripping sex in young girls wherever he looks.
his fantazees have overtaken his reality.
Richard C.
news:1165190917.5...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
A little insight into the real jonzee?
David Looser
> and then you ramble and rave about
> me being a fraud....and a liar.....this is absolute lunacy....
jonZee, you are a liar and a fraud in the same way that the Pope is a
Catholic. Nothing that you post carries any credibility whatsoever.
David.
Zee
people will get tired of doing it and when you lie about it.... you say
that they will get tired of doing that also...huh....so live your life
completely evil in order to get people tired of evil and then the world
becomes perfect......in a NG of nudist decent folks have no credibility
and that is soooo good.....jonZeee
David Looser
> they say the nudist fucks their kids
Is that really the best you can manage jon? - you *are* losing your touch.
"They" don't say anything of the kind, *you* do. And since it is total
bollocks (as you very well know) it just *proves* that you are a liar. (In
addition, of course, to being a pathetic coward who doesn't even have the
courage to put his name to his bullshit). Add that your racist and sexist
comments and what do we have, a racist, sexist, lying, bigoted, pathetic
coward. Not much to be proud of is it? No wonder you couldn't ever get a
woman to look at you.
David.
Zee
me....the textiles say we fuck our kids.....so apparently he had
experience with the textiles and that is something you do not
have......what a loser...and if you dig around in natura...there is
where i read the mindset of nudist about doing all the evil things and
after a hundred or so years ...then evil will burn out and good will
take over.....yeah you nudist actually think you can sell that evil to
the world....jon'Zeee
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David Looser
> as a matter of fact looser.....a nudist family man first said to
> me....the textiles say we fuck our kids....
Why should I believe that? Apart from the fact that textiles *don't* say
that I have only your word that anyone said that to you, and your word
counts for nothing.
>.so apparently he had
> experience with the textiles and that is something you do not
> have......
What an idiotic thing to say!. We all have "experience with the textiles".
We live with them, we work with them. They are our friends, our neighbours,
our colleages and our families. How could we NOT know what they think about
nudism, and it is nothing like what you say it is. Which is how I know you
to be a liar and a fraud.
...and if you dig around in natura...there is
> where i read the mindset of nudist about doing all the evil things and
> after a hundred or so years ...
What the ***** does natura have to do with it? Bill Martin is almost as much
of a kook as you are.
then evil will burn out and good will
> take over.....
The evil is in your mind jonZee - deal with it!.
David.
-T.
>septithol.....your continued rambling about naked parents carrying guns
>to a person that is attracted sexually to persons of the opposite sex
>under the age of 18..DEFINED AS A PEDOPHILE...makes no sense ...
You come sniffing around my grandchildren, and it'll make a lot of
sense, briefly.
>and especially when you state that you are not
>a nudist or have interest in NUDE....
Well, Jon, YOU aren't a nudist. And this sure as hell isn't
rec.pedo.misogyny.racist. Are you lost?
>and then you ramble and rave about
>me being a fraud....and a liar....
Cause you are.
>...i am not
>a child molester
But you'd like to be.
> and apparently you have it in your feeble mind that
>sexually active children are constantly raped as they enjoy
>masturbating and having sex with who ever...an
>adult.....
A view shared by the vast majority.
>where nudism is a favorite place to see this kind of
>activity.....
Except for most of us on this group. One wonders at that. Why don't we
see it, Jon? We're active and none of us are stupid, so why don't we
see what you see???? Could it be because it doesn't exist????
>....how can we help you
Go away. Far, far, away.
-T.
When the man said alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, I just naturally assumed he was making a delivery.
-T.
>they say the nudist fucks their kids
NO, you say that. There is no they, only your incoherent, demented
ramblings.
-T.
(and you are a liar after all)
-T.
>.....yeah you nudist actually think you can sell that evil to
>the world...
said the man who only sees women and female children as sex objects.
-T.
(what a maroon)
Zee
nudist have to go to the UK to find a defunct media to do a story on
usa nudism......the usa media has has the sex question sooo many times
and did not get straight answers and these rec nude liars and low lifes
are just about the last of idiots that are holding out to continue the
ol lies that have been told sooo many times.....the media is like all
other textiles....and they are intelligent.....when they say to the
nudist....now you nudist are exposing your crotches to become
nudist....and any one can see that sex seekers are the prime candidates
for the sex game of exposing crotches.....do not even think of denying
this fact.....and who are the sex seekers that are the most
depraved.....number 1 ...incestuous families that fuck their kids and
seek other kids to fuck....there was a family that advertized in
...bare n mind a few years ago from utah....family seeks other families
for friendship in the nude....we all sleep in the same large
room......he he how plain can you get with your intentions.......of
course when children are involved at exposing their crotches then all
the predators and pedos show up and the families prostitute their kids
to the pedos in some cases for food and money because they are low
lifes on the bottom of the pecking order.....so you lying bastards keep
it up.....we might take common phrases and make a hit song and have it
recorded by the naked kid jack offers.....jonZeee
septithol
-T. wrote:
> You come sniffing around my grandchildren, and it'll make a lot of
> sense, briefly.
Bwah ha ha! LMAO!!
> Go away. Far, far, away.
T, you are funny as hell! You should read the story I'm writing, I
think you might like it. Email me at sept...@yahoo.com and I'll send
you some links to what I have done.
- Ann
septithol
Zee wrote:
> prostitute their kids to the pedos in some cases for food and money because they are low
> lifes on the bottom of the pecking order.
That's interesting, Zee. There are actually people who do this. One of
them came to my mother once, asking her advice on whether or not she
should do this. She was a textile. As are most of the citizens of
countries such as Thailand, where parents often sell their unwanted
girl children to brothels.
So, is that what your family did to you, Zee, and now you are
projecting it on to everyone else?
Which is more likely? That nudist facilities are a front for child
prostitution, and that NO-ONE out of thousands and thousands of
nudists, including former child victims of this supposed practice has
EVER blown the whistle on it, and they are in addition so diabolically
clever that they have the FBI completely fooled, despite your posting
all the details about this supposed practice right on the internet? Or
is it more likely that none of this crap you write about exists, save
only in your own demented imagination, and that is the reason why it
has not been heard about from any reliable, verifiable source?
Time to go back into your corner and take your prozac like a good
little Zee. I think I hear Nurse Ratchett calling you....
David Looser
news:1165304715.1...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Which is more likely? That nudist facilities are a front for child
> prostitution, and that NO-ONE out of thousands and thousands of
> nudists, including former child victims of this supposed practice has
> EVER blown the whistle on it, and they are in addition so diabolically
> clever that they have the FBI completely fooled, despite your posting
> all the details about this supposed practice right on the internet? Or
> is it more likely that none of this crap you write about exists, save
> only in your own demented imagination, and that is the reason why it
> has not been heard about from any reliable, verifiable source?
>
remarkable in the extreme if there had never been a case of child sex abuse
by someone connected with nudism in some way. And of course there have been
such cases, cases which jZ will use to "prove" his claim. When it is pointed
out that cases of child sex abuse occur in all areas of society and are
committed by "upright citizens" of all types including priests and teachers
and that there is no evidence at all that sexual abuse cases with a
connection to nudism are out-of-line with the proportion of the population
represented by nudists he starts on his "crotch exposers" crap, as though
"exposing one's crotch" was some sort of sexual act. Having conveniently
ignored that the very core argument of nudism is that "exposing the crotch"
is *not* sexual.
Then we get those claims of his that "nudist parents" are incestuous, that
the sexual favours of children are sold to paedophiles by nudist club
owners, and that children (well girls anyway, he never mentions boys) are
turned-on by seeing adult men naked and willingly engage in group sex with
them. No-one else in the history of organised nudism has ever made those
claims and he cannot offer one shred of evidence to support any of them. But
just see the righteous indignation when anyone accuses him of being less
than scrupulously honest! I still can't quite make up my mind whether he's
simply an unusually persistent troll, or actually believes the bullshit he
posts. If the later then he needs help, and fast.
David.
Zee
admitted that there have been cases of sexual abuse by nudist...it is
like you are saying....hey world...hey media....hey jonZeee...hey other
nudist....Nikki Craft....jonZeee...and the media and the world.....is
disturbed by our family nudism past......thanks David as this is the
threshold to human communication and understanding as if you guys
cannot admit just what you have admitted then there can be no future
but rather the continued demise of family nudist.....and i can overlook
the grudging and immature way that you defend the abuse by stating
erroneous fact that .....IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE AND IT IS NOT MORE
PRONOUNCED IN CROTCH EXPOSING BEHAVIOR THAN OTHER HUMAN
BEHAVIORS.....so this is the last hurdle of the nudist immature and
erroneous belief system that is remaining to overcome.....i will give
the nudist the benefit of the doubt on whether it is a belief system or
immature erroneous bullshit......because because because.......most all
you nudist realize that most all textiles view social nudism as simply
exposing your crotch in a social situation to the opposite sex.....and
most of you nudist have admitted that the nude body is a turn on to
most of these textiles....and that there is no alien planet where you
recruit new nudist so the ranks of recruits come from that textile
supply.......therefore a large portion of nudist are ex textile folks
that are turned on by the live nude human body and that in reality they
view the social nudism as being nothing more then exposing the crotch
.......soooo now you have grudging followed me to this point and will
reluctantly agree but why is it you guys do not want to talk abou
it....as this is nudisms problem with the peoples of the world and the
reason in 75 years it has not progressed in acceptance in the
usa.....its like you guys have dumped a mountain of rocks onto the
roadway of communications....and will not admit what i have just
said.....now you say you believe that...... well the abuse does occur
but so does it happen in the textile society......but in the textile
society there are laws to prevent exposure of the crotch which servers
as a deterrant to this child abuse problem and we have been through
this one sooo many times.....maybe its like the british saying ....gun
owership is not an absolute deterrant to murder but to allow everyone
to own one means there will be murders by hand guns....right...i agree
on that one....but why can you not agree that to allow folks to expose
their crotch socially means there will be more cases of child abuse due
to the sexual temptation of the crotch exposing behavior.......and
therefore it is common sense and good reasoning for textiles to ban
children from this behavior because of the risk involved......if nudist
can finally admit that there is a risk involved that does not exist in
the textile world because of the crotch being exposed and being a turn
on then this is a milestone in having good relations with the media and
textiles...jonZeee
-T.
>
>erroneous fact that .....IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE AND IT IS NOT MORE
>PRONOUNCED IN CROTCH EXPOSING BEHAVIOR THAN OTHER HUMAN
>BEHAVIORS....
If it's erroneous, present your data. Put up or shut up. It's as easy
as that.
>most of you nudist have admitted that the nude body is a turn on to
>most of these textiles....
Um, nope. Nudists as a group have admitted no such thing and, in fact,
neither have the textiles. Again, if you have the data, produce it.
-T.
Stuffed Tiger
<david....@btinternet.com> wrote:
...
>The sexual abuse of children is sadly not that uncommon and it would be
>remarkable in the extreme if there had never been a case of child sex abuse
>by someone connected with nudism in some way.
Indeed. What is remarkable is that nudist parents began prosecuting
those who went after their children over 40 years ago, and have been
the only group AFAIK to steadfastly do so. All the other groups hid
the problem, allowing offenders to repeat their crimes over and over,
and we are hearing of new cases every day that happened year after
year in these groups, hundreds of cases, but not so with nudists.
Zee
molestations was the result of police coming to the camp as a resutl of
child porn or connections to outside sourses....stop the damned
lying..nudist at camps did not call the police rather tried to cover up
....jonZeee
Zee
guys with hard ons....are you goofy enough to think those hard ons are
from looking at vollyball courts ...hot tubs...swimming pools and deny
it is the naked bodies that gives these guys hard ons....you are
becoming a real bore with your stupidity.....and when these guys get
hard ons looking at naked bodies it is not the elbows ..ears...knees or
feet but is the crotch that gives them the hard ons....that is why all
cities have strip joints these guys want to see the naked crotch...and
these guys become nudist....i had gobs of nudist men and women that
frequented my strip clubs.....so you cover the crotch of the kiddies
and deny them to participate in nudism and the result is they will not
be molested because they turned on some pedo that otherwise would not
have been turned on....pedos do not molest unless they are turned
on.....and when the crotch is covered most pedos are not turned
on...and molestations in the textile world do happen because the pedo
gets the kid to play nudist and they take their clothes off....jonZeee
-T.
>..all the arrest that have occured in nudist camp child
>molestations was the result of police coming to the camp as a resutl of
>child porn or connections to outside sourses....
You, of course, can document ALL of the arrests?
-T.
>T....why does aanr and years of nudist web sites address the issue of
>guys with hard ons....
Mostly, from what I've seen, they address people's concerns over what
MIGHT happen which, as it turns out, doesn't happen all that often.
Given that men have spontaneous erections while fully clothed, sans
any visual stimulation, you cannot make the argument that an
occasional erection in a nudist venue is the result of arousal.
>...you are
>becoming a real bore with your stupidity.....
Hey Jonboy, you could always take your bored ass down the road. Don't
respond. I'll shred your stupid arguments anyway.
>and when these guys get
>hard ons looking at naked bodies it is not the elbows ..ears...knees or
>feet but is the crotch that gives them the hard ons....
You are projecting YOUR feelings on others again.
>deny them to participate in nudism and the result is they will not
>be molested because they turned on some pedo that otherwise would not
>have been turned on....
Produce any data that substantiates your claim that children are
molested more often in nudist venuses than clothed ones.
>pedos do not molest unless they are turned
>on.....
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! It's the victims fault, right. The poor
misunderstood peod couldn't help himself. Is that how you get to sleep
at night, blaming the world for your pathological response to
children?
>...and molestations in the textile world do happen because the pedo
>gets the kid to play nudist and they take their clothes off...
Pedos get the kid naked because they want to molest them.
septithol
Zee wrote:
>i had gobs of nudist men and women that frequented my strip clubs
Apparently he owns not just one, but an entire CHAIN of strip clubs.
Which I guess explains why he is anti-nudism, if people actually had a
healthy and mature attitude about sexuality and the human body, he
would go out of business.
Zee
to be correct.....jz
Zee
was a favorite spot for fondling and when intstances happened they
would tell the guy to leave or after sooo many had happened they would
limit the pool to adults or children only and then change the rules
after a while but never were the police called....and sooo you say the
guy might have an erection because of different reasons to
arousal....well i am sure dario that stated in natura forum that the
guy had an erection all evening with the nine year ol girl was not
having a piss hardl....get real....T you are a clown ...you can
actually state that a guy fucking a kid was having a piss hard and this
was a means of relieving himself from the piss hard.....great stuff but
not convincing...jz
Zee
dressing..bdsm....pain..scat..and pedophilia in conjunction with sex as
long as they coo and coddle the marriage bed as being the protected and
sacred of all sex....IOW the marriage bed is square one and what
happens from that mindset is incidental....and considered normal.....so
the strip clubs are a result of trashing the marriage bed in favor of
divorce on demand and deregulating sex between consenting
adults.....about fifty years ago hotel and motel vice detectives
checked for marriage licenses and it was against the law to have sex if
not married......so the more the marriage bed is trashed ... more
perverted ideas about sex behavior will evolve.....religion is at the
root of a proper sex behavior...man left to his own devices will surely
destroy himself...ref aids and promoscuity world wide....so what you
say is abnormal is probably normal considering the human
condition....jonZeee
septithol
sexual behavior, which generally has to do with what their unproven
diety of choice supposedly has to say on the matter. And what is
'normal' has varied drastically throughout human history.
I do care if the sexual behavior involved is *hurting* people, which
would include rape and pedophilia.
Violating the Zero Aggression Principle, or the initiation of force or
fraud against others is the only 'golden standard' of morality. Not
what the most popular unproven diety of the moment supposedly tells the
televangelists.
> septic.....the world can glorify homo,...cross
> dressing..bdsm....pain..scat..and pedophilia in conjunction with sex as
> long as they coo and coddle the marriage bed as being the protected and sacred of all sex
I don't care about other people's supposed hypocricy, either.
>....IOW the marriage bed is square one
Nope. Square one when it comes to sex involves bacteria, which don't
even have any gender, exchanging part of their genetic material. In the
hundreds of millions of years since THAT behavior first evolved, there
have been countless other forms of sex, among countless species, until
getting to your much vaunted 'marriage bed' of H. Sapiens. Which would
make it somewhere after square 100.
> about fifty years ago hotel and motel vice detectives
> checked for marriage licenses and it was against the law to have sex if
> not married
Which is a violation of several clauses of the constitution. If you
want to live in a theocracy, move to Afghanistan. Otherwise, grow up
and shut up.
>......so the more the marriage bed is trashed
Seems to me that a couple must have a pretty weak marriage in the first
place, if it is 'trashed' by things that other people do amongst
themselves.
> religion is at the root of a proper sex behavior
Organized religion is a con game devised to enrich the few, and the
source of almost all ABNORMAL sexual behavior that exists. If you think
that God cares what people do with their genitals with other consenting
people, you must think of God as a rather petty and psychotic entity.
Frankly, if I were God, I would not be pleased at the poor opinion you
have of him.
>...man left to his own devices will surely destroy himself
It's strange that most people manage to do quite well for themselves,
until interfered with by your precious church and state.
>...ref aids and promoscuity world wide
You better wake up and smell the coffee, asshole. We have your precious
anti-sex religions to thank for the fact that AIDS has become an
epidemic, because they have opposed, on 'moral grounds', EVERY real
measure shown to prevent it's spread, including sex education in
schools, the widespread distribution of condoms, anonymous testing, and
the legalization of prostitution, accompanied by health regulations and
inspections for those in that line of work. These are things that have
been PROVEN to slow or stop the spread of AIDS. The alternative
suggested by the church 'monogamy or abstinence' has not worked, it
does not work, because it cannot work, because it is contrary to human
nature.
Frankly, I don't give a crap about your whining that 'immoral' behavior
threatens your pet religion of choice or your 'marriage bed' or
whatever other fantasy you want to whine about. I do care that your
unprovable religious fantasies, and those of others, are being used to
justify obstructing necessary means to fight a fatal disease in the
real world. The religious stance is that people 'deserve' to get AIDS'
because they are gay, or adulterous, or whatever other private behavior
your religion wants to spread hatred about, because they find that
selling hatred and fear to gullible people is easier than ever actually
trying to come up with a meaningful insight about what God actually
might be like. Oh, I do hate to tell you this, sweetcheeks, but AIDS
does not work the way your pet anti-sex religion claims it works. A
virus doesn't give a crap about WHOM it infects. Those with AIDS
include those who got it from blood transfusions, bites, from their
dentists, and the completely faithful spouses of those who might have
been unfaithful. And unless the minister of your pet religion has a
degree in biology, he is in no way qualified to talk about AIDS in the
first place, making the words that come out of his mouth regarding it
about as meaningful as those that would come out of the mouth of a
trained parrot. Quite honestly, I think every minister who has EVER
given lip service to the idea of a virus as 'vengeance from our lord'
ought to be dragged up in front of a courtroom and sued for multiple
counts of wrongful death. The first amendment does not protect
FRAUDULENT speech, in particular, FRAUDULENT speech that creates a
hazard, which would include screaming 'FIRE' in a theater, when there
is no fire, or making false claims about an unprovable diety that
hinder efforts to deal with a public health hazard such as AIDS.
>....so what you say is abnormal is probably normal considering the human condition.
The only thing that is 'abnormal' is someone thinking that their
assorted fantasies (of whatever sort) gives them the right to control
other people's lives.
-T.
>yeah T....you might try reading the newpaper or rec nude and find this
>to be correct.....jz
Your inability to document the arrests duly noted.
-T.
>T...i can remember in the seventies when the indoor pool at glen eden
Arrests, Jon. Tell us about all the arrests that you were claiming.
And how about something from this century, dinosaur boy?
> ...you can
>actually state that a guy fucking a kid was having a piss hard
Actually, I stated no such thing. You simply constructed an argument
and then argued with it. In short, you are talking to yourself, again.
Not very compelling at any rate.
-T.
>
>Zee wrote:
>
>>i had gobs of nudist men and women that frequented my strip clubs
>
>Apparently he owns not just one, but an entire CHAIN of strip clubs.
Owned. Maybe. One suspects he is also the Emporer of Europe. The fact
is, no one can vouch for Jon or his history.
Richard C.
> hey idiot...all the arrest that have occured in nudist camp child
> molestations was the result of police coming to the camp as a resutl of
> child porn or connections to outside sourses....
========================
Care to provide some real examples?
Richard C.
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> On 5 Dec 2006 20:16:24 -0800, "Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>..all the arrest that have occured in nudist camp child
>>molestations was the result of police coming to the camp as a resutl of
>>child porn or connections to outside sourses....
>
> You, of course, can document ALL of the arrests?
>
Of course not!
There are virtually none...............
Zee
problem and you think that square one is not a behavior but
bacteria....i have news for you ...bacteria is not a behavior but the
result of a behavior that you are promoting......try alt dick suck.butt
fuck...jonZeee
Zee
NUDISMS HALL OF SHAME by Nikki Craft .....jz
septithol
Zee wrote:
> you think that square one is not a behavior but
> bacteria....i have news for you ...bacteria is not a behavior but the
> result of a behavior that you are promoting
I have a degree in biology, Zee. What are your qualifications for
discussing bacteria?
Richard C.
maybe it is that he is one?
mthom...@tampabay.rr.com
Zee wrote:
>
> ....and read NUDISMS HALL OF SHAME by Nikki Craft ..
>
Promoting yourself again are you Zee
Michael T.
mthom...@tampabay.rr.com
>
> > Zee wrote:
>
> .... bacteria is not a behavior but the result of a behavior that you are promoting
>
I cannot see that Septithol has promoted any behavior that would have
resulted you Zee.
Michael T,
Richard C.
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>
> Zee wrote:
>>
>> ....and read NUDISMS HALL OF SHAME by Nikki Craft ..
>>
>
> Promoting yourself again are you Zee
>
> Michael T.
>
Besides, that website is very stale...............
nothing to report here....................
Neosapienis
> Then we get those claims of his that "nudist parents" are incestuous, that
> the sexual favours of children are sold to paedophiles by nudist club
> owners,
Sadly, there are some nudist parents who are incestuous. I came across
a whole bunch of them on Yahoo! about a year and a half ago. They
listed interests such as "Kinki Kids", "Cherry Poppin' Daddies", and
"The Young Ones" on their profiles. The first two interests listed are
co-incidentally the names of underground music groups whose genres are
poles apart from each other. I think there was a whole police
investigation done on this, because when I checked again a few months
later the populace of these categories had dropped dramatically.
JonZeee is of the mentality "it takes one bad apple to ruin it for the
rest". Therefore, because a minority of nudist parents are incestuous
it must mean the rest of them are as well. This is absolute bullshit.
> and that children (well girls anyway, he never mentions boys) are
> turned-on by seeing adult men naked and willingly engage in group sex with
> them. No-one else in the history of organised nudism has ever made those
> claims and he cannot offer one shred of evidence to support any of them.
That's just a sick fantasy of his. I've *never* witnessed anything
like this at any of the nudist clubs or beaches that I've attended. If
it happened, the perpetrator would have the police on his back in no
time at all!
> But
> just see the righteous indignation when anyone accuses him of being less
> than scrupulously honest! I still can't quite make up my mind whether he's
> simply an unusually persistent troll, or actually believes the bullshit he
> posts. If the later then he needs help, and fast.
I would say 'yes' to both, David. JonZeee has been on this group
longer than I have (I joined it in early 2001), and he still has not
changed or matured beyond when I first knew about him. And it is
doubtful that he will.
He really is a sad, deranged character. But like all mentally ill
people, he thinks that everyone has problems except for him.
Dario Western
David Looser
news:1165439410.0...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> Hi David,
>
> Sadly, there are some nudist parents who are incestuous. I came across
> a whole bunch of them on Yahoo! about a year and a half ago. They
> listed interests such as "Kinki Kids", "Cherry Poppin' Daddies", and
> "The Young Ones" on their profiles.
Since parent-child incest is not merely illegal in just about every
jurisdiction on the face of the planet, but is also guaranteed to get the
child protection people involved in double-quick time it seems highly
unlikely to me that anyone would boast about that sort of thing on the
internet. So I'm inclined to the view that these people were, like jonZee,
simply unable to distinguish their fantasies from reality. And what makes
you think they were nudists?
David.
Zee
everyone on the planet except when it applies to nudist......incestuous
families are either a fantasy or reality in nudism to someone else
besides jonZeee as reported by dario.....incestuous families come in
all sizes and shapes.....most are just plain looking for others to have
open sex which includes the kids not being excluded....hell its a
hastle to get rid of the kids just to have sex....so where in hell do
we go where everyone is exposing their crotches and exhibitionism is
like a heavy fungus...man it is everywhere and everybody is into
it.....why hell man there is a nudist farm right outside town lets get
our asses out there right now...IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PLACE WAS MADE JUST
FOR US....and yet nudist are lying pieces of shit that tell the media
aint nothing like that going on around here.....why not say....yeah
everything you might figure is going on is true but we try to keep it
from being toooo outfront .....and i think we do as good a job as
possible considering everyone is exposing their crotches to one
another.....and it is the only place where kids are naked and they are
natural naked turn ons cause we have to keep em slowed down a bit cause
that is naturally a problem....so just tell all the people that it is
sodam and gomoreh tamed for todays bunch of folks that want a little
something extra but not too much.....now see you perverted liars ...is
that not better..... then you would not have jonZeee around to make
these truths bite you in the ass.....jonZeee
Neosapienis
They had listed 'Naturists And Nudists' in their profile, and some of these
types wanted to gain entry into the groups that I moderate. I told them in
a no-holds-barred fashion where to go.
--
Regards,
Dario Western
http://www.icq.com/38318214
http://www.myspace.com/25155501
http://theglamgod.spaces.msn.com
http://360.yahoo.com/larrikin70
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"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Richard C.
> ..... then you would not have jonZeee around to make
> these truths bite you in the ass.....jonZeee
>
==========================
Nothing that spews forth from you is "truth"!
Stuffed Tiger
>
>Zee wrote:
>>
>> ....and read NUDISMS HALL OF SHAME by Nikki Craft ..
(1) That fact that Nikki had documented not only every crime but also
every suspicion of a crime, every possibility of a crime and every
guilt by association she could dream up - over 40 years - and still
has only a small number of issues (only a handful of which are crimes)
that fit all on one page (including out-takes), demonstrates that:
Nudists have been dealing with the problem over 40 years,
unlike other groups who have been in denial; Nikki's cases
and recollections seem extensive, but they cover a lot of
years and a lot of territory, the entire USA and Canada;
The proportion of incidents among nudists is way less than
among the general population of the USA as a whole; again,
few cases in a long span of time and in many, many places;
but a lot of scary writing full of conspiratorial associations;
Nudists have dealt effectively with lesser incidents, such
as unwanted photography (e.g. cell phones), while the
population as a whole ignores much greater issues.
(Just turn to "escort services" in most Yellow Pages);
Nudists have espoused a higher standard of protection
and safety for the women and children, and have kept
raising the bar; Nikki prefers to focus on the exceptions,
however few, where the standards have not been met;
and twist that to make people think that is the general
case, a lie that she knows full well is a lie;
There are real nudists who are criminals and deserve
to be punished for their crimes and treated accordingly;
Nudists must continue to remain vigilant in the face of
a society that might not provide police protection for nude
citizens in the same way it used to say a women in pants
were "asking for it".
(2) In the incidents that Nikki documents, there are many examples of
nudists, including Nikki herself, exposing a situation to public
scrutiny and of individuals being censured for infractions that no
prosecutor would touch without a lot more criminal intent and proof.
Nikki's grousing aside, no other organization was doing so much at
those times.
(3) In a number of the cases Nikki documents, she skips over any and
all positive contributions from the nudist community to the successful
outcomes of these cases, except for her own contributions, which she
certainly toots on about. I have followed up, and in case after case,
when you get down to it, it was the nudists themselves that brought in
the police (rather than taking the law into their own hands).
(4) Unlike Nikki, most nudists have not acted as police. Nudists
exercised appropriate care, understanding that people's reputations
and positive contributions were also at stake. Just because an
accusation is leveled does not mean a wrong has been done. Too many
women have been burned at the stake as witches on those grounds. In
Salem, it was children, five girls, who sent so many to their death.
A few months ago, a school principal near me, who was well-liked, and
had turned around a failing inner-city high school, was accused of
molestation, had his career ruined, and had to leave, even though
there was no evidence or corroboration. Only too late, after vitriolic
outbursts from the media, the righteous administrators above him,
frightened parents and anyone he moved aside, did the girl confess on
her own to having made it up. When people dug deeper, her story just
did not add up, but the damage done to his work relations and could
not be repaired, you see. These kinds of thing make people take sides
in a rush to judgment. This community lost an important leader who was
successful in an area where others were failing the children.
In situations like this, Nudists have been one of the few groups that
have kept their heads and have kept their standards and engaged in
appropriate action befitting the situation and their status as
citizens, alerting the police rather than acting as judge and jury.
Zee
belong to .....pertaining to a pedophile member and being in the local
newspaper and then you lying about it....makes one wonder why you
would ever mention the credibility of someone else....you have
consistently lied about that sno qualmie nudist camp in wa....and i
have not lied about anything......i have even given police departments
to check record to back up what i say....and there is no better proof
than court records....try shutting your mouth and stop the
lying....jonZeee
Zee
am a pathological liar.....in this thread ....to give you the benefit
of the doubt regarding your honesty......but why do you question the
credibility of others that state they are nudist ....and i will agree i
cannot understand why anyone on the planet would commit a crime in this
day and age ....ref cameras everywhere and certainly everyone is in a
throw em in jail and throw a way the key mentaility.......but yet even
though you think i am a liar ... why do you think these incestuous
families are lying about being nudist when you already admitted that
nudism does attract incestuous families....it seems you are arguing
about this matter to yourself.....i do not know why people are busted
on the internet continuously for child porn but they do....you would
think they would not think it was worth it....but apparently the lust
they have for the naked children over rides their common sense to not
commit the crime......so now since you have thought about it ...you now
think it is quite possible they were not lying to Dario....jonZeee
Zee
Richard C.
> you know richard....with all that controversy surrounding that camp you
> belong to
MANUFACTURED controversy!
==============================
> .....pertaining to a pedophile member and being in the local
> newspaper and then you lying about it
================================
The articles in the local papers are all favorable.
Our club is a member of the Issaquah Chamber of Commerce.
We have been a Washington State Corporation since 1937.
There has NEVER been any real problem at our club.
================================
>....makes one wonder why you
> would ever mention the credibility of someone else....you have
> consistently lied about that sno qualmie nudist camp in wa....and i
> have not lied about anything......i have even given police departments
> to check record to back up what i say....and there is no better proof
> than court records....try shutting your mouth and stop the
> lying....jonZeee
==================================
Actual facts?
Guess not.........................
Richard C.
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>
> (1) That fact that Nikki had documented not only every crime but also
> every suspicion of a crime, every possibility of a crime and every
> guilt by association she could dream up - over 40 years - and still
> has only a small number of issues (only a handful of which are crimes)
> that fit all on one page (including out-takes), demonstrates that:
>
Not to mention that in one of the "incidents" involving our club,
(in which nothing actually involved our club), she prints all kinds
of "stuff" that means nothing and then states that more will be updated
soon.
The "soon" has been more than two years and nothing has been added
nor removed. She has many just plain names listed without ANY comment.
She is a bitter, angry woman who has no real basis for what she does.
============================
Zee
fire....Nikki as well as Anna uses newpaper articles for their
info...why is it you guys do not raise hell with the newspapers....they
are the original publishers of these nudist camp nasties....jonZeee
Richard C.
Still waiting for some real examples.
Dan Abel
"Neosapienis" <wester...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> > Then we get those claims of his that "nudist parents" are incestuous, that
> > the sexual favours of children are sold to paedophiles by nudist club
> > owners,
>
> Sadly, there are some nudist parents who are incestuous.
Believe it or not, there are some nudists who are Republicans!
--
Dan Abel
da...@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA
Terry J. Wood
news:dabel-AFF1A1....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net:
> Believe it or not, there are some nudists who are Republicans!
I'm one.
Terry "Goldwater Republican" Wood
Dan Abel
"Terry J. Wood" <Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:dabel-AFF1A1....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net:
>
> > Believe it or not, there are some nudists who are Republicans!
>
> I'm one.
Yeah, I was aiming that at you.
:-)
The point is (and I know that you know this already), that nudists and
non-nudists are exactly the same, except that nudists sometimes don't
wear clothes socially and non-nudists are compulsive about wearing
clothes. Any other generalization about nudists is probably not totally
valid.
I'm not a Democrat.
Stuffed Tiger
wrote:
You did an extensive thread on this awhile back IIRC. She had no
explanation for her libelous statements.
-T.
>...i will take a hit here and allow everyone to totally assume i
>am a pathological liar....
We're WAY ahead of you!
>......but why do you question the
>credibility of others that state they are nudist ....
Why not?
>...ref cameras everywhere and certainly everyone is in a
>throw em in jail and throw a way the key mentaility......
So it's not about doing the right thing, it's about getting
caught?????
> ... why do you think these incestuous
>families are lying about being nudist
Conflicting values???
-T.
When the man said alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, I just naturally assumed he was making a delivery.
-T.
>yeah yeah yeah....richard...where there is smoke there is or was
>fire....
Your inability to substantiate your claims duly noted.
-T.
<Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm one.
>
I'm two.
-T.
(but considering registering independent)
-T.
<No...@NotAnAddress.com> wrote:
>(1) That fact that Nikki had documented not only every crime but also
>every suspicion of a crime,
<rest of excellent post snipped>
Nikki has apparently authored an entry about <what else> Nikki Craft
in Wikkipedia. She seems to have a need to validate herself on a grand
scale. I suspect she and Jon Zee are related on some level. I can't
prove it. Yet.
-T.
Terry J. Wood
virt.nntp.sonic.net:
> Any other generalization about nudists is probably not totally
> valid.
For some reason I seemed to be compelled to make some comment about
organizing nudists is like herding cats. But I have no idea why I must say
this.
-T.
Alien mind probe. No doubt about it. And, no, the tinfoil hat ain't
gonna fix it.
-T.
hope this helps ;-)
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
Dear David,
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> you are a liar and a fraud in the same way that the Pope is a Catholic.
> Nothing that you post carries any credibility whatsoever.
You are exactly correct.
Bill Pennington
Richard C.
news:ccphn2h3s35p31vmt...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:07:47 -0000, "Terry J. Wood"
> <Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I'm one.
>>
>
> I'm two.
>
I'm Three
Terry J. Wood
news:j0rhn2t3oe9psdqvp...@4ax.com:
>>For some reason I seemed to be compelled to make some comment about
>>organizing nudists is like herding cats. But I have no idea why I
>>must say this.
> Alien mind probe. No doubt about it. And, no, the tinfoil hat ain't
> gonna fix it.
D*mn! That just leaves the tin foil underwear!
Terry J. Wood
news:diphn2plgppdj30ud...@4ax.com:
> Nikki has apparently authored an entry about <what else> Nikki Craft
> in Wikkipedia. She seems to have a need to validate herself on a grand
> scale. I suspect she and Jon Zee are related on some level. I can't
> prove it. Yet.
Well, she's SURE he doesn't belong in her Hall O' Shame, even though she's
SURE what he says is true, even though she's SURE they've never met, even
though she's SURE she interviewed him. Anything about that to make you
suspect something? Seems perfectly crafty to me!
But then again, YOU are a suspicious person. You probably have suspicions
about a mild mannered reporter of a great metropolitan newspaper and a
certain red caped superhero being one and the same. You and Lois Lane.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.
-T.
<Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You and Lois Lane.
>Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.
HEY!!!! I was out of town that weekend. I don't care what Lois says.
We weren't even formerly introduced.
Zee
child sex abuse connected with nudism.....and it was assumed that you
agreed with Dario and i that incestuous families are also associated
with nudism per Dario s testimony of incest families trying to enter
his discussion group......are you saying..... THERE IS NO WAY THEY
WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH FAMILY NUDISM.....if you are explain why
not....and if you cannot.... allow me to enjoy my weekend laugh of the
month.....bawahaha hehe he he ha ha ...you are the supreme fucked up
nude dude of the year....so dan rather that had the lady on sixty
minutes... and was discussed here in rec nude ....she testified that
her family were nudist and her husband had sex with their kids....hell
that was a world wide presentation and you forgot about it
....bawahahahehe.....i want to leave rec nude sometimes but hell where
else can i get laughs of this magnitude....jonZeee
David Looser wrote:
> The sexual abuse of children is sadly not that uncommon and it would be
> remarkable in the extreme if there had never been a case of child sex abuse
> by someone connected with nudism in some way. And of course there have been
> such cases, cases which jZ will use to "prove" his claim.
David Looser
<typical rambling incoherent Zee post sniped)
You couldn't make a reasoned rational argument if your life depended on it.
It's been interesting seeing septithol making mincemeat of your half-baked
arguments - and you are too thick even to notice, as you just repost the
same tired old discredited BS time and time again. I could waste my time
pointing out all the fallacies and logical inconsistencies in your post, but
it'd be about as pointless as explaining it to my cat, anyway life is too
short.
David.