Why I’m Not a Nudist
Anna
here. Obviously I don't exactly agree with her.
http://meirabaterachaim.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-im-not-nudist.html
Why I’m Not a Nudist
I like to be naked. I always sleep naked. I go to nude beaches and I’d
rather swim naked. I’m generally comfortable being naked. But I’m not
a nudist.
The problem I have with the nudist community is mostly the militant
attitude. Swimming naked should be natural, not a lifestyle. Being
naked should be a choice, not a requirement. Most of the nudists I’ve
met would get upset that I’m using the word naked instead of nude.
Some are quick to correct you. They’re not nudists, they’re naturists.
I’ve been to some nudist colonies. First thing you should know,
they’re not colonies. “Ants live in colonies. This is a resort.” I
think if you have to take off all your clothes as soon as you step
foot on the property and everybody who lives there has to be naked as
much as possible it’s a colony. Or maybe a cult. I used to think the
whole nudity thing was about freedom but it’s only freedom to be
naked.
So why go there if I don’t like the rules? They have so few places for
them to run around naked, why complain? Fair point. And it’s not like
I go to these places often. I’d much rather go to a beach or lake
where I can do whatever I want. But if you exclude the resorts there
aren’t many places I can go. Usually the options are keep your clothes
on or else, or take your clothes off or else. I want to enjoy nature
with the option of being naked or wearing clothes. Don’t tell any
nudists I said this but sometimes I like to wear clothes. I like the
way silk feels against my skin, or soft combed cotton. I love to walk
outside or just around my apartment barefoot but I also like to wear
shoes. I love shoes. Not in a Sex and the City way, but a comfortable
pair of shoes can really make a difference.
If you go to a nude beach you’ll be stared at by fat bald men. Yes.
And if you go to a nudist colony you’ll be stared at by fat bald naked
men. If you don’t want anybody to see you don’t go outdoors. It’d be
great if only people who want to enjoy nude beaches went to them. If
you’re just there to stare at people you shouldn’t go. But there’ll
always be people who are only there to watch. Being in a nudist colony
doesn’t change that.
I went to a nudist colony in California that had a beauty pageant. I
always thought nudists believed everybody was beautiful. We’re all
equal but we’ll give a sash to the first among equals. I was hoping
they’d give it to some train wreck but the winner was the predictable
choice. That wasn’t the worst part. After the adults it was the
children. They paraded adolescent girls out for their own pageant. It
was pretty disturbing. The last thing I expected to see at a nudist
colony was a group of teen and pre-teen girls on a stage being ogled
by a bunch of fat bald naked men. Maybe I missed the point. I hope I
did. But I left just the same.
The only thing worse than the militant nudists are the militant anti-
nudists. When I was young we lived close to a nude beach. I went there
because it was a beach. I didn’t care about the rest. Taking my
clothes off at the beach seemed completely natural. My mother has a
framed photograph of me and 2 friends at that beach naked as the day
we were born. It’s a cute picture of 3 happy girls. In some countries
she’d get arrested for possessing child pornography. If I posted the
picture here this page would be offline quickly and permanently. Too
many people have too many serious problems. Nudity can’t be the worst
thing that can happen.
So I can understand why the militant nudists are that way. Their
lifestyle runs counter to societies that see naked as sexual and
sexual as sinful. If I were a nudist I’d probably point out that
nudity and sexuality are completely different animals. I’d probably
get so tired of the ignorance and hatred of the clothes-obsessed that
I’d turn to more militant attitudes. I’d say I’m nude not naked. I’d
tell people that ants live in colonies.
But I’m not a nudist. I just want to get naked.
newsgroups
are seriously conflicted because we believe in ideals that we can't tolerate
when put into practice especially when it concerns naked bodies. We
Americans are conditioned to compete and we judge everyone and everything,
and we're opinionated about things. We'll watch a Football quarterback blow
a play and say he sucks when we couldn't stay off the couch for 10 minutes
to chuck a football to our kids in the back yard. We'll let ourselves get
40 pounds overweight and criticize our Hollywood stars or Oprah for putting
on a few extra pounds. Because we compete, we compare and the thought of
going naked means someone is going to look at our tits, ass, and dick and
judge it/them, and what they think means way too much to us, so we better
just stay covered. And we hate those that can get past our own
insecurities. How dare you walk naked on the beach when I ain't got the
courage or self-confidence to do that (even though I wish I did)? That's
being American. When we have our resorts, we almost always demand nudity
because we can't enjoy the same places the clothing people can while using
our option to go naked. Bring your optional clothing to my naked place when
I can bring my naked option to your clothing place. That's American.
Bill S in AZ
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:2a52af23-78ab-4752...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
From an Israeli Blogger. You can comment there directly as well as
here. Obviously I don't exactly agree with her.
http://meirabaterachaim.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-im-not-nudist.html
Why I�m Not a Nudist
I like to be naked. I always sleep naked. I go to nude beaches and I�d
rather swim naked. I�m generally comfortable being naked. But I�m not
a nudist.
The problem I have with the nudist community is mostly the militant
attitude. Swimming naked should be natural, not a lifestyle. Being
naked should be a choice, not a requirement. Most of the nudists I�ve
met would get upset that I�m using the word naked instead of nude.
Some are quick to correct you. They�re not nudists, they�re naturists.
I�ve been to some nudist colonies. First thing you should know,
they�re not colonies. �Ants live in colonies. This is a resort.� I
think if you have to take off all your clothes as soon as you step
foot on the property and everybody who lives there has to be naked as
much as possible it�s a colony. Or maybe a cult. I used to think the
whole nudity thing was about freedom but it�s only freedom to be
naked.
So why go there if I don�t like the rules? They have so few places for
them to run around naked, why complain? Fair point. And it�s not like
I go to these places often. I�d much rather go to a beach or lake
where I can do whatever I want. But if you exclude the resorts there
aren�t many places I can go. Usually the options are keep your clothes
on or else, or take your clothes off or else. I want to enjoy nature
with the option of being naked or wearing clothes. Don�t tell any
nudists I said this but sometimes I like to wear clothes. I like the
way silk feels against my skin, or soft combed cotton. I love to walk
outside or just around my apartment barefoot but I also like to wear
shoes. I love shoes. Not in a Sex and the City way, but a comfortable
pair of shoes can really make a difference.
If you go to a nude beach you�ll be stared at by fat bald men. Yes.
And if you go to a nudist colony you�ll be stared at by fat bald naked
men. If you don�t want anybody to see you don�t go outdoors. It�d be
great if only people who want to enjoy nude beaches went to them. If
you�re just there to stare at people you shouldn�t go. But there�ll
always be people who are only there to watch. Being in a nudist colony
doesn�t change that.
I went to a nudist colony in California that had a beauty pageant. I
always thought nudists believed everybody was beautiful. We�re all
equal but we�ll give a sash to the first among equals. I was hoping
they�d give it to some train wreck but the winner was the predictable
choice. That wasn�t the worst part. After the adults it was the
children. They paraded adolescent girls out for their own pageant. It
was pretty disturbing. The last thing I expected to see at a nudist
colony was a group of teen and pre-teen girls on a stage being ogled
by a bunch of fat bald naked men. Maybe I missed the point. I hope I
did. But I left just the same.
The only thing worse than the militant nudists are the militant anti-
nudists. When I was young we lived close to a nude beach. I went there
because it was a beach. I didn�t care about the rest. Taking my
clothes off at the beach seemed completely natural. My mother has a
framed photograph of me and 2 friends at that beach naked as the day
we were born. It�s a cute picture of 3 happy girls. In some countries
she�d get arrested for possessing child pornography. If I posted the
picture here this page would be offline quickly and permanently. Too
many people have too many serious problems. Nudity can�t be the worst
thing that can happen.
So I can understand why the militant nudists are that way. Their
lifestyle runs counter to societies that see naked as sexual and
sexual as sinful. If I were a nudist I�d probably point out that
nudity and sexuality are completely different animals. I�d probably
get so tired of the ignorance and hatred of the clothes-obsessed that
I�d turn to more militant attitudes. I�d say I�m nude not naked. I�d
tell people that ants live in colonies.
But I�m not a nudist. I just want to get naked.
veritas
>
> But I�m not a nudist. I just want to get naked.
>
I like getting naked at every reasonable opportunity. That makes me a
nudist - anything else is simply symantics.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
This drivel is at least two decades out of date.
Sorry, wrong number.
> http://meirabaterachaim.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-im-not-nudist.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y8rl9wg
>
> Why I�m Not a Nudist
>
> I like to be naked. I always sleep naked. I go to nude beaches and I�d
> rather swim naked. I�m generally comfortable being naked. But I�m not
> a nudist.
>
> The problem I have with the nudist community is mostly the militant
> attitude. Swimming naked should be natural, not a lifestyle. Being
> naked should be a choice, not a requirement. Most of the nudists I�ve
> met would get upset that I�m using the word naked instead of nude.
> Some are quick to correct you. They�re not nudists, they�re naturists.
>
> I�ve been to some nudist colonies. First thing you should know,
> they�re not colonies. �Ants live in colonies. This is a resort.� I
> think if you have to take off all your clothes as soon as you step
> foot on the property and everybody who lives there has to be naked as
> much as possible it�s a colony. Or maybe a cult. I used to think the
> whole nudity thing was about freedom but it�s only freedom to be
> naked.
>
> So why go there if I don�t like the rules? They have so few places for
> them to run around naked, why complain? Fair point. And it�s not like
> I go to these places often. I�d much rather go to a beach or lake
> where I can do whatever I want. But if you exclude the resorts there
> aren�t many places I can go. Usually the options are keep your clothes
> on or else, or take your clothes off or else. I want to enjoy nature
> with the option of being naked or wearing clothes. Don�t tell any
> nudists I said this but sometimes I like to wear clothes. I like the
> way silk feels against my skin, or soft combed cotton. I love to walk
> outside or just around my apartment barefoot but I also like to wear
> shoes. I love shoes. Not in a Sex and the City way, but a comfortable
> pair of shoes can really make a difference.
>
> If you go to a nude beach you�ll be stared at by fat bald men. Yes.
> And if you go to a nudist colony you�ll be stared at by fat bald naked
> men. If you don�t want anybody to see you don�t go outdoors. It�d be
> great if only people who want to enjoy nude beaches went to them. If
> you�re just there to stare at people you shouldn�t go. But there�ll
> always be people who are only there to watch. Being in a nudist colony
> doesn�t change that.
>
> I went to a nudist colony in California that had a beauty pageant. I
> always thought nudists believed everybody was beautiful. We�re all
> equal but we�ll give a sash to the first among equals. I was hoping
> they�d give it to some train wreck but the winner was the predictable
> choice. That wasn�t the worst part. After the adults it was the
> children. They paraded adolescent girls out for their own pageant. It
> was pretty disturbing. The last thing I expected to see at a nudist
> colony was a group of teen and pre-teen girls on a stage being ogled
> by a bunch of fat bald naked men. Maybe I missed the point. I hope I
> did. But I left just the same.
>
> The only thing worse than the militant nudists are the militant anti-
> nudists. When I was young we lived close to a nude beach. I went there
> because it was a beach. I didn�t care about the rest. Taking my
> clothes off at the beach seemed completely natural. My mother has a
> framed photograph of me and 2 friends at that beach naked as the day
> we were born. It�s a cute picture of 3 happy girls. In some countries
> she�d get arrested for possessing child pornography. If I posted the
> picture here this page would be offline quickly and permanently. Too
> many people have too many serious problems. Nudity can�t be the worst
> thing that can happen.
>
> So I can understand why the militant nudists are that way. Their
> lifestyle runs counter to societies that see naked as sexual and
> sexual as sinful. If I were a nudist I�d probably point out that
> nudity and sexuality are completely different animals. I�d probably
> get so tired of the ignorance and hatred of the clothes-obsessed that
> I�d turn to more militant attitudes. I�d say I�m nude not naked. I�d
> tell people that ants live in colonies.
>
> But I�m not a nudist. I just want to get naked.
>
Terry J. Wood
news:e96dnaftvI4XE6zW...@earthlink.com:
> This drivel is at least two decades out of date.
Don't we know some former nudist who is about 2 decades out of date? Oh,
what was her name? I forget!
Jenny6833A
<CasaBlancaHotSpr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> This drivel is at least two decades out of date.
Twenty or thirty years ago, most of it was true of most nudists and
most nudist places. Now, only some of it is true of some nudists and
some nudist places -- which means there's still lots of truth to it.
:-)
Jenny
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
S/He/It was never a nudist, at least not that I ever saw. In the late 80's, a running joke
was, "How can one tell who is N C at the nudist gathering?" "S/he's the one with clothes
on."
"Terry J. Wood" <Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CEAD0A...@216.168.3.30...
Terry J. Wood
> "How can one tell who is N C at the nudist gathering?" "S/he's the one
> with clothes on."
Why would a textile go to a nudist gathering? Wasn't she the one in charge
of signing the photographer permits too? This sheds new light to those old
postings of the 1990s. I had no idea that she wasn't really a nudist.
Casa Blanca Hot Spring
> "Casa Blanca Hot Spring" <CasaBlanc...@mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:IJGdneBw4L7Vaa_W...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "How can one tell who is N C at the nudist gathering?" "S/he's the one
>> with clothes on."
>
> Why would a textile go to a nudist gathering? Wasn't she the one in charge
> of signing the photographer permits too?
Yes, including the one for Wilcox.
> This sheds new light to those old
> postings of the 1990s. I had no idea that she wasn't really a nudist.
I don't know if s/he was or not, but it spent a lot of time with clothes on. A very angry
person.
Stuffed Tiger
wrote:
...
>I like to be naked. I always sleep naked. I go to nude beaches and I�d
>rather swim naked. I�m generally comfortable being naked. But I�m not
>a nudist.
You are a nudist ... and also not very good at definitions.
Dan Abel
Stuffed Tiger <No...@Nobody.com.ignore> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:32:26 -0800 (PST), Anna <annal...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
[deleted misleading material]
> You are a nudist ... and also not very good at definitions.
I don't understand what you are doing. The original post was pretty
clear that it was another cut and paste job. Anna found something on
the internet and posted it for some reason. The words I deleted were
not Anna's words, and I think he attributed them correctly.
Also, the person who did post those words (and to their blog, not to
this group), used a fairly common literary technique, of denying
something about themselves which is obviously true, to make a point.
You may not like the technique, but taking it out of context doesn't
seem fair to them, especially since you were not replying to them.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Terry J. Wood
> I don't know if s/he was or not, but it spent a lot of time with clothes
> on. A very angry person.
It must have been the clothes. Clothing will do that to people. :-)
Anna
> In article <peejj5hkg6gd1q94qbrunpi2mejc93e...@4ax.com>,
> Stuffed Tiger <No...@Nobody.com.ignore> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:32:26 -0800 (PST), Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
>
> [deleted misleading material]
>
> > You are a nudist ... and also not very good at definitions.
>
> I don't understand what you are doing. The original post was pretty
> clear that it was another cut and paste job. Anna found something on
> the internet and posted it for some reason. The words I deleted were
> not Anna's words, and I think he attributed them correctly.
>
> Also, the person who did post those words (and to their blog, not to
> this group), used a fairly common literary technique, of denying
> something about themselves which is obviously true, to make a point.
> You may not like the technique, but taking it out of context doesn't
> seem fair to them, especially since you were not replying to them.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
> da...@sonic.net
Whenever I post a link I do so in hope that the people would go to the
link but it should at least indicate to people that I am posting from
another source.
What I found interesting about this blog post is that it does have a
picture of the blogger nude and she seems pretty young. She is an
Israeli but I guess she also spends a lot of time in California. But
where did she experience nudism? Her stories of "nude beauty
pageants" does seem twenty years or so out of date but like I said
from the picture she seems young and therefore shouldn't have
experienced any of that.
I disagree that she "used a fairly common literary technique, of
denying something about themselves which is obviously true, to make a
point." She obviously DOES have a problem with ORGANIZED Nudism
despite the fact she likes to get naked at every possible
opportunity. But again I would really be interested to know where
this stems from. Perhaps she is a "body elitist" who while likes to be
nude herself don't want to be around a bunch of naked old and fat
people.
All and all I did find the post strange in that it mentioned the "nude
beauty pageants". I don't know about Israel but in America it seems
like for the most part "nude beauty pageants" are a part of nudism's
ugly past. So, I for one would be interested in knowing when and
where she experienced them.
Anna
Reading the post again she does say this was in California where the
nude beauty pageant occurred. And like I said she is pretty young so I
would be interested how long ago did this actually occur and where did
it occur (what venue).
It shows how important it is to ensure that such events don't occur at
nudist venues.
Too many nudist venues are having "TOGA" parties. Besides the fact
that wearing a toga isn't being nude one has to wonder the effect this
has on people who go to a nudist venue for a nonsexualized nude
experience only to find such a sexualized activity taking place.
James Dale Guckert
> Reading the post again she does say this was in California where the
> nude beauty pageant occurred. And like I said she is pretty young so I
> would be interested how long ago did this actually occur and where did
> it occur (what venue).
Only you would care.
> It shows how important it is to ensure that such events don't occur at
> nudist venues.
Personally I would like them eradicated entirely, so I sort of
(shudder) agree with you. Beauty contests are a sham if they pretend
to be anything other than country-fair livestock contests substituting
humans in the place of cattle.
JDG
Jenny6833A
> Beauty contests are a sham if they pretend
> to be anything other than country-fair livestock contests substituting
> humans in the place of cattle.
I'm not fond of them, but I think you're overstating. We have
athletic contests (eg, basketball) and aptitude contests (eg, SAT), so
why not beauty contests?
Hey, why not something for everyone? We can't all be athletic or
smart.
:-)
Jenny
Dan Abel
<b32b6e18-7e31-41fd...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
The best way to get rid of these, IMNSHO, is for people to lose interest
in them. They won't put them on if nobody wants to participate or watch.
On the other hand, if somebody tries to tell people that they shouldn't
want to participate in or watch these, because Anna, James Dale Guckert
or God doesn't want them to, I don't like that.
James Dale Guckert
> James Dale Guckert <Dipt...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 11:58 am, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > Reading the post again she does say this was in California where the
> > > nude beauty pageant occurred. And like I said she is pretty young so I
> > > would be interested how long ago did this actually occur and where did
> > > it occur (what venue).
>
> > Only you would care.
>
> > > It shows how important it is to ensure that such events don't occur at
> > > nudist venues.
>
> > Personally I would like them eradicated entirely, so I sort of
> > (shudder) agree with you. Beauty contests are a sham if they pretend
> > to be anything other than country-fair livestock contests substituting
> > humans in the place of cattle.
>
> The best way to get rid of these, IMNSHO, is for people to lose interest
> in them. They won't put them on if nobody wants to participate or watch.
Of course.
> On the other hand, if somebody tries to tell people that they shouldn't
> want to participate in or watch these, because Anna, James Dale Guckert
> or God doesn't want them to, I don't like that.
I'd never argue for an executive or legislative decree against the
activities that I don't approve of, including beauty pageants,
especially when all participants are consenting adults. I'm concerned,
however, that those kiddie pageants are tantamount to child abuse and
should be examined very closely.
JDG
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
the Child protective services has spoken to the issue of parents
allowing children to appear nude in front of mixed gender strangers by
rewarding the non nudist parent to have custody.....and child naked
beauty contest are a thing of the past in the usa anyhow so what
cretins are still arguing over that issue....get a life you
idiots....jz
Anna
Didn't Deer Park get in trouble for child porn?
http://www.dpnr.com/History.html
I mean back when it was called "Treehouse Fun Ranch".
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
the kids up there at treehouse fun ranch were featured in muppets mag
and the media paid a lot of attention to them because of just
that.....i befriended the parents of two girls and the father had
spent time in correctional calif for child porn... so on and on we
go.....jz