Why Pictures of Nude Children in Nudist Magazines?
k2...@lycos.com
Since you know that there are a lot of sickos who will misuse those
magazines by showing them to their victims, why do you have them in
there?
Would it be just as effective if you mentioned them in articles but
don't show them.
I thought nudism was only about the experience of being naked? I didn't
think it was about looking at naked people or being looked at while
naked.
So why do you need to show nude children?
k2...@lycos.com
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Mark
waste your time and ours?
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cyndiann
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> Not one of you have answered that question?
>
> Since you know that there are a lot of sickos who will misuse those
> magazines by showing them to their victims, why do you have them in
> there?
Why do they have kids in underwear in department store catalogs and sales
ads? They are just as likely to be misused by "sickos". You can't aim for
the lowest denominator here. We tell people we are family oriented so we
should be showing them families, including the kids. They represent us.
And if those sickos are looking at our kids, they must be at our beaches
too, so let's stop bringing children to beaches, clothing optional or not.
The "sickos" will be watching them dressed or naked.
And they must be at our playgrounds too so let's stop having playgrounds and
keep our kids home secretly in the back yard.
Clothes or not, if someone wants to watch or touch a child they will find a
way to do that and a few pictures in a magazine aren't going to change a
thing.
You tell me why we should show photos that don't represent us.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
jon...@webtv.net
nudism has been the queston about SEX and is the child exposed to
SEX....exhibionism is the nucleus of family nudism....which results in
sensuality/sexuality.... i have asked the question.... if it isnt about
SEX.......WHY the camera.....why have pictures of the naked human
body......WHY is there no rule forbidding erections......WHY are
children not told to act with dignity and NON sexual..no touching of
their genitals and no touching of others genitals......and adult nudist
should all have the right to speak to children that violate these
rules.......and of course the adult is subject to the same rules as
children......BUT never never never has these questions been answered
and the media has no interest in the nudist anymore because of their
inability to answer these questions.......so i hope you have better luck
than me because i have been asking these questions for forty
years......why is there body painting......massage in the open
areas....this ALLOWS TOUCHING which can be sensual ..and
sexual......WHY is it that the application to enter a facility .... are
adults and children not warned of the no erection rules and asked to
sign an agreement that they will abide.....REASON BEING...an erection is
an indication of sensual and sexual.....AND LASTLY.....why not wear
loose fitting shorts rather than exposing the crotch.....the same health
benefits can be achieved if this is not exhibitionism.......so nudist
deserve the textile description of them....creeps....nuts
...crazy....liars ...sneaks.......sorry.....low life....white
trash.....child molesters....anti social
misfits......social.anarchist.....stupid....ignorant......immoral....sinful...undignified.....unholy......not
worthy of respect..unfit parents as the CPS never lets the nudist parent
have custody of the children.....in cases of divorce......jonZeee
http://www.nostatusquo.com/aclu/NudistHallofShame/oriorden.html
Stuffed Tiger
>Not one of you have answered that question?
>
I answered you question in the earlier thread. I am reposting it here.
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There should _not_ be pictures of naked children. There should _be_
pictures of nudists of all ages doing fun things, including children
where they naturally are and would naturally be because of the
activity. Family nudism _cannot_ be shown without showing children.
I feel N and the Bulletin are examples of how to show family nudism.
The question remains, why show pictures at all.
When the blacks started to deal with their image problem, one of the
key issues they needed to address was not only the lack of public
images of blacks in important, high-esteem, even ordinary roles, but
the drumbeat of images of blacks in low esteem roles. Family photos do
not impact public image. Blacks are still fighting this fight.
Pictures of nude people in important, high-esteem, even ordinary roles
are entirely missing from the public eye. This gives nudists a public
image problem. Rather, a drumbeat of images of low esteem nude people,
who yield control of their bodies for easy sex, is pushed by the sex
trade. Worse, a landslide of images of mindless, low esteem beautiful
people, clothed just enough to get by, graces commercial work. This
also gives nudists a public image problem.
Nudism needs more not less high esteem images, nude people doing
important things such as sailing, biking, swimming, hiking, fishing,
boating, volleyball, tennis, basketball, petanque, relaxing, soaking,
sunning, sauna, hot tubbing, skinny dipping, cooking, decorating,
cleaning, playing with dogs and cats. Ordinary things, but intelligent
that say these people care about their world and their lives. We
should juxtapose images of police in uniform with the same person
involved in nudist activities. Same with the military, business
executives, PTA leaders, moms, kids in scouts, soccer, and so on.
It is not enough to talk about it. People need to see it to believe
it. You can show a strong, confident, smiling leader and talk about
what an evil, miserable, awful person he is but 80% of the people will
believe the image not what you say or write.
Images rule. Images have power. That is why strong nudist images are
important. Cyndiann has a great image she uses as an avatar for
example.
It is just as important to excise any image that shows nude people in
low self esteem roles. This usually means attractive, intelligent
women posed to indicate mindless sexual desire so as to decorate a
product. It could also mean a child posing nude as a mindless object.
Let's not do that. If we see it, we should expose it.
For nudist children, I would also suggest only activity shots be nude
and all portraits clothed to insure there is no real cross over trade.
In conclusion, ...
Magazines like People sell well because of the images of life they
present. Those are very poor lifestyles compared to nudism, yet they
are popular because the images of the life they portray looks good.
Nudists have the better, less material, more spiritual, more family
oriented, more human oriented lifestyle than People. We need to learn
how to help other understand. To walk away from the opportunity to
promote nudism with tasteful, intelligent images would be a tragedy
for future generations IMHO.
Let's not do that either.
Stuffed Tiger
k2...@lycos.com
Something seems to be wrong with Google Groups tonight.
k2...@lycos.com
Still I wonder if it is all worth it when weighted against pedos using
these photos as part of the rituals they go through when they are
preying on children.
Pedos often show these pictures to their victims. "See they didn't have
any problem having naked pictures of themselves, why don't you let me
take naked pictures of you."
I think that outweighs any positive "self esteem" problems nudist kids
might have. I still thing the important thing about nudism is (or at
least supposed to be) the experience of being nude, not having pictures
taken of you nude.
By the way, I have heard many people say that nudism is a Sensual
experience for them. What is the difference between sensuality and
sexuality?
k2...@lycos.com
pictures of your children.
What kinds of thoughts people have when they look at them. How they use
them to "get off"?
That would creep me out.
k2...@lycos.com
wearing children, that guy would have to get a new camera.
AND A NEW NOSE!
I just don't understand why all these nudists are so enthalled with
having people take nude photos of their children?
I understand perhaps why they would themselves take pictures like all
families do at outings, but of course those photos wouldn't be seen by
anyone but family. And if they took those pictures at a nudist camp
that would be a problem as nudists who might not want their pictures
taken might be caught in the snapshot.
jon...@webtv.net
find a way to do that and a few pictures in a magazine aren't going to
change a thing.
You tell me why we should show photos that don't represent us.
cyndiann
yourself......you have never considered fellow nudist and their opinions
as being valid.......here we see nudist asking questions that the media
or textiles have asked and still with no intelligent answer....you lie
like a damned dog when you say that a pedo will touch a child if they
are clothed or unclothed......you are full of crap..nudist pedos only go
after naked children......how many people on a clothed beach do you see
naked and jack in off......how many naked women and young girls do you
see on a clothed beach with their legs spread showing their
crotch.....the nudist spent the fifties challenging the govt over nudist
magazines being mailed by the postal service......and they have spent
the last forty years in conflict about shameful naked kid magazines
taken at royality contest and other events.....naked of course......and
produced owners...photographers and staff and an occasional drive in
single or married guy that molested the children because they were
naked.......oh well what could we expect from a female that has been
raped three times and failed to call the police when she was sexually
assaulted at como nudist camp.....yet would tell the world ....oh our
children are safe....a pedo touches a child and we always call the
police...in all my days on the mean streets i have never seen a guy grab
a females crotch unless he was invited to do so.....so your naked camps
produce sexual activities because of the nakedness.....most all nudist
camp molestations came to light when the police came and investigated
because of a complaint they had received or investigated......but NEVER
BECAUSE..of the the nudist calling the police.......jonZeee
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/oriorden.html
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear K2,
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It's not a "need". People of all ages are part of the scenery; we don't cut
pine trees or rocks of the scene, why pick a certain age group? It would be
historically inaccurate to exclude children.
Why not publish no photos of animals either; there are sickos who abuse
them?
As Naturist Photojournalists, we know this is a tough question. More than a
decade ago, we completely stopped photographing anyone under the age of 21.
It's scary that society is so sick that the human body, god's most wonderful
creation (and he was pleased by what he saw), has become an object of crime
for merely depicting what god made, for what's been there for many millions
of years.
Bill
cyndiann
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cyndiann
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I'd rather someone "get off" on a picture than harm a child.
cyndiann
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Cindiann - If I saw some guy taking pictures of my swimming suit
> wearing children, that guy would have to get a new camera.
>
> AND A NEW NOSE!
And you'd be arrested for assault. He's not doing anything illegal.
>
>
> I just don't understand why all these nudists are so enthalled with
> having people take nude photos of their children?
All these nudists? Whom are you referring to? Enthralled? I think you are
exaggerating the situation a bit here. There are indeed many nudists that
don't want their children photographed nude, and for many reasons.
>
> I understand perhaps why they would themselves take pictures like all
> families do at outings, but of course those photos wouldn't be seen by
> anyone but family. And if they took those pictures at a nudist camp
> that would be a problem as nudists who might not want their pictures
> taken might be caught in the snapshot.
>
Which is why most limit or forbid picture taking by anyone not authorized by
that club. If we are posting articles in our magazines about family outings
we need to show the families. If someone else has a problem with that or
uses them in ways we didn't intend then why are you getting so upset? Let
them have the problem.
cyndiann
nikki
> Why do they have kids in underwear in department store catalogs and
sales
> ads?
They are using the children to sell merchandise. There is plenty of
room to criticize the whole advertising industry for exploitation even
when the models are paid well. In nudism and naturism, the emphasis is
on photography so much because the publishers and photographers wield a
disproportionate amount of political power and financial motivation to
take and publish all these millions of photographs predominately of
nude children and women to sell magazines and promote 'wholesome body
acceptance'(tm).
>They are just as likely to be misused by "sickos". You can't aim for
> the lowest denominator here. We tell people we are family oriented so
we
> should be showing them families, including the kids. They represent
us.
Yes they do represent you and it wouldn't make it more right, or change
things one iota, but they don't even get paid for it. It's not a
surprise to discover that the subscribers to naturist and nudist
magazines are not primarily women naturists. The publishers stick
children out in front, exploit their innocence to gain acceptability
for a movement where some of us have found a pretty slimy
underbelly--and also to sell their magazines to men who want coffee
table porn--and who will be lured (by those same photos) to the
gatherings, clubs, camps and beaches where many will stalk, photography
and post to the internet, and harass; and some will harm children. To
some this seems to be a very unfair and inequitable set up. We don't
like it. Nikki Craft
Nudist/Naturist Hall of Shame
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/
nikki
cyndiann wrote:
> Why do they have kids in underwear in department store catalogs and
sales
> ads?
They are using the children to sell merchandise. There is plenty of
room to criticize the whole advertising industry for exploitation even
when the models are paid well. In nudism and naturism, the emphasis is
on photography so much because the publishers and photographers wield a
disproportionate amount of political power and financial motivation to
take and publish all these millions of photographs predominately of
nude children and women to sell magazines and promote 'wholesome body
acceptance'(tm).
>They are just as likely to be misused by "sickos". You can't aim for
> the lowest denominator here. We tell people we are family oriented so
we
> should be showing them families, including the kids. They represent
us.
Yes they do represent you and it wouldn't make it more right, or change
Mark
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> I think that outweighs any positive "self esteem" problems nudist kids
> might have. I still thing the important thing about nudism is (or at
> least supposed to be) the experience of being nude, not having pictures
> taken of you nude.
Max--you are paranoid......pure and simple--get help.
>
> By the way, I have heard many people say that nudism is a Sensual
> experience for them. What is the difference between sensuality and
> sexuality?
Got a dictionary? Look it up. And when you don't understand the difference
(which you won't), then come back and ask johnz (he doesn't know either).
And PLEASE leave at least the email header of the person you're replying to
when you reply so we know WHO you are replying to.
k2...@lycos.com
supposed to be) the experience of being nude, not having pictures taken
So why are there web sites (and I specifically talking about the
International Naturist Association website) where you can see 7,900
pictures of nudists (for a price)?
Mark wrote:
>
> >
> > By the way, I have heard many people say that nudism is a Sensual
> > experience for them. What is the difference between sensuality and
> > sexuality?
>
> Got a dictionary? Look it up. And when you don't understand the
difference
> (which you won't), then come back and ask johnz (he doesn't know
either).
>
I am asking the people here as dictionary definitions rarely get the
conotations of words correctly. I really would be appreciative if you
could explain to me the difference between sensuality and sexuality.
k2...@lycos.com
excite the sickos desires.
Molly Wilson
three fifty .....with the four speed transmission......sensualiy is gear
number one and as the tachometer pushes eight thousand ....you leave
sensuality and approach hard core sexuality and by the time you hit that
last gear....man you are out of sight then.....see gear number one just
lets you know something is a fixin to happen.....and when you hit that
next gear.....you know its happening...jonZeee
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear K2,
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> I thought that the important thing about nudism is (or at least
> supposed to be) the experience of being nude, not having pictures taken
> of you nude. Or seeing people nude
Since nudism is like any other recreational choice, photos are taken of
nudist activities, the same as they are taken of golfing, camping, or white
water rafting.
> So why are there web sites (and I specifically talking about the
> International Naturist Association website) where you can see 7,900
> pictures of nudists (for a price)?
Ask the INA.
Bill
Mark
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You are more shallow than Max......
Mark
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>I thought that the important thing about nudism is (or at least
> supposed to be) the experience of being nude, not having pictures taken
> of you nude. Or seeing people nude
Well Max,
Welcome to the world of reality. People of like interests tend to congregate
together socially. Like people who go to country clubs or churches--nudists
gravitate to nudist resorts. Social events often include photographs of
their activities and experiences--nudists are no different. Seeing people
nude in a nudist environment is a byproduct of that social activity. It
isn't unlike country clubs where golf tournaments or dances are photographed
and people with like interests gather. It isn't unlike church socials where
the picnics and games are photographed and the people with like interests
are seen together enjoying their pursuits.
Maybe if you were to actually GO to a nudist resort you'd learn that there
is little difference between the nude world and the textile world. You'd
rather allow your paranoia to enable you to shoot from the hip without
understanding the phenomenon. We are social animals. We congregate
accordingly based on our interests. Those who think like you don't bother to
experience life--that is your loss. You cannot understand what you are
unwilling to experience. Thus you are essentially a hermit with predjudices
and will never be a part of ANY society activity because of your unfounded
fears and attitudes.
>
> So why are there web sites (and I specifically talking about the
> International Naturist Association website) where you can see 7,900
> pictures of nudists (for a price)?
So did you subscribe????--or did you just look at the free samples? (Frankly
I think you protest FAR too much and am beginning to wonder what your
motives are--------or WHAT interests you are trying to DENY by posting your
poison here.)
Why are there websites where you can see thousands of photos from
professional photographers (available for a price)? Why are there websites
where you can purchase photos, literature or products unique to your
personal interests, tastes or beliefs?
You appear to be a very shallow, not-so-well-rounded, paranoid individual.
You don't likely function well outside your home. Maybe you should consider
that before wasting your time and efforts here, criticizing what you are
unwilling to understand.
Learn what it is you are protesting about--before you protest to the point
that you become suspect of being what you SAY you fear.
Have a nice day now, ya heah?
Bert Clanton
k2...@lycos.com wrote:
Is there any actual research that supports the belief that pedophiles
seeing pictures of naked children actually increases the likelihood of
their *molesting* children? Some people, including me, doubt that it
does.
Best wishes,
Bert
cyndiann
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>
>
> cyndiann wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >
> > I'd rather someone "get off" on a picture than harm a child.
> > cyndiann
>
> Cyndiann it only starts with the pictures. The pictures add fuel to
> excite the sickos desires.
You don't know that. There is a theory that some can control themselves and
not actually hurt a child by keeping a supply of pictures to look at. I'd
like to see some factual evidence that looking at pictures will make someone
sexually abuse a child since you seem to know so much.
Obviously you don't know much about pedophiles. Have you ever really
researched this or are you just spouting hearsay? Ever stop to think that
perhaps *not* having a release might cause them to offend? Do you understand
their illness at all?
cyndiann
cyndiann
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> I thought that the important thing about nudism is (or at least
> supposed to be) the experience of being nude, not having pictures taken
> of you nude. Or seeing people nude
You've been listening to those "politically correct" nudist sites too long.
Pictures serve many purposes and just as there are people outside of nudism
that like to have their pictures taken and like to be seen so are there
nudists who like to have their pictures taken and like to be seen. There are
a lot of nudists and non-nudists who just don't care if pictures are taken.
I don't see a problem with taking pictures of what we do inside our resorts,
there are a lot of people that wonder what goes on behind our fences and
this gives them some insight.
Personally I love looking a nude people, for a lot of reasons, some very
sensual and sexual and some not.
>
> So why are there web sites (and I specifically talking about the
> International Naturist Association website) where you can see 7,900
> pictures of nudists (for a price)?
>
>
Have you asked them? They make money from doing that. As far as I know INA
isn't a non-profit and their goal is to make money. I don't really think
they care if it's nudists that look at those pictures or not as long as they
pay the fee. Matter of fact, when it comes to INA I think their motive is
much more a financial one than one of doing service for nudism. Their lack
of concern that the religious right posts hate on their messageboards seems
to show that.
Should their only goal be service to nudism? Some sites think so but I don't
think they handle it as they should. They seem more interested in being
politically correct than accurate.
>
> Mark wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > By the way, I have heard many people say that nudism is a Sensual
> > > experience for them. What is the difference between sensuality and
> > > sexuality?
> >
> > Got a dictionary? Look it up. And when you don't understand the
> difference
> > (which you won't), then come back and ask johnz (he doesn't know
> either).
> >
> I am asking the people here as dictionary definitions rarely get the
> conotations of words correctly. I really would be appreciative if you
> could explain to me the difference between sensuality and sexuality.
>
Hard to explain, and the definition will change from one person to the next.
Does it really matter?
Sensual has to do with the senses and isn't always sexual but can be.
Sexuality has to do with sex period. Something that is only sensual to one
person will be perceived to be sexual by another, like certain massage
techniques for instance.
Although many nudist websites want to deny sexuality within nudism, people
are sexual beings and those feelings don't stop at the nudist resort gate.
I've met many people I've dated at nudist resorts.
Knowing when and where to be openly sexual is another matter. Nudists tend
to forget that even swingers have common sense and know not to fuck right
next to the club pool on a Saturday afternoon. Common sense is the key. Too
bad a few don't have any eh? Grabbing someone's butt while in the nudist
resort nightclub isn't out of line. It's all a matter of knowing what to do
where is all.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
which ISN"T politically correct
Bill S
pictures of kids that record kids doing what kids do. With that said, let's
set some parameters. "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see
it". Like 5 to 7 year old girls dressed up with adult makeup and entered
into a beauty/talent contest. ANY picture where a child is nude and posed
to expose the crotch or butt and set in an environment customarily used by
adults for sexual activity. I don't have a problem with a picture of a kid
on the beach playing in the sand digging a hole with his or her rear end up
higher than the shoulders or head, so long as the lens isn't creating photos
more suited for pediatrics. "Here's a picture of Dick, Jane, and Sally when
they dug that huge hole in the beach during our visit to Le cap D'Adge".
What's the problem? The problem is that some pervert out there is going to
masturbate to that picture, right? But that same perv will abuse himself to
pictures of cherubs found in classic artwork hanging in world renown
museums. Do we not publish our pictures because of the pervert pedophile
and while we're at it remove all nude children art work? I hope not. So
instead of advocating for the barring of pictures of naked kids in nudist
magazines, why not create an environment where those who find themselves
uncomfortable with their attraction to the pictures, can openly talk about
it and find the source of their personal demon? Then those of us that can
look at a picture of naked kids doing kid type things without getting
aroused can continue to enjoy our media and our lifestyle?
Bill S in AZ
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Molly Wilson
the fifties....no one had ever seen little naked girls.....and i didnt
even know what molestation was.....never heard of such a thing where i
was raised....but the jenny is out of the evil bottle now..thanks to the
nudist......if all naked pictures were erased so would provocation and
titilation .....probably there would be no interest in those silly
little kids.....thats my opinion....regards jonZeee.
k2...@lycos.com
Why did you put molesting in quotes?
k2...@lycos.com
the web site isn't sensual but it could be? What?
As for the second one, yeah, I certainly know what sexual means.
But what I am trying to understand is what does sensual mean and how
does it differ from sexual. It doesn't help me to see a non sensual
site.
Richard C. wrote:
> ========================
> The difference is clear once you read the dictionaries and view some
web
> sites.
> THIS is a nudist site:
> http://www.fraternitysnoqualmie.com/images/bbfr2004/lawn1-m.jpg
>
> This is NOT a nudist site:
> http://www.sweetkrissy.com/promo/002/index.php?ccbill=828375
>
> Can you see the difference?
>
> The first one is not even close to "sensual", but it could be.
> The second one is ALL about sexuality.
> ================================
k2...@lycos.com
cyndiann wrote:
>
> Personally I love looking a nude people, for a lot of reasons, some
very
> sensual and sexual and some not.
Again when you use the word "sensual" what do you mean by that word?
k2...@lycos.com
Thank you for providing your definition.
But it does really matter.
If a club allows people who view nudism as sensual in (and as you say
everyone has their own definition of sensual) how can it really be safe
for children.
Seems to me that sensual is just an euphemism for sexual. And when some
nudist say that nudism is sensual to them they really do mean that
nudism is all about sex.
And why do so many nudist clubs offer massages? It seems like perhaps
on a Subliminal level or even on a concience level, that nudism does
try to fulfill a sexual need for them.
To which I respond, either have sex or don't get nude. Nudism is a
poor subsitute for fulifulling what you really need. Where the craving
to get nude really comes from.
I am beginning to believe that nudism is about sex. Perhaps it is a way
of acting it out at it's most innocuous level, but still it is about
sex and therefore children shouldn't be around it.
cyndiann wrote:
> <k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
k2...@lycos.com
nudists (for whom nudity and naked people aren't big things) But
instead are catering to pedos and other sickos?
cyndiann wrote:
> <k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
k2...@lycos.com
At least in nudist speak.
Richard C. wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> <k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > By the way, I have heard many people say that nudism is a Sensual
> > experience for them. What is the difference between sensuality and
> > sexuality?
> >
> =====================
> Are you serious?
> You don't actually know?
k2...@lycos.com
They show them to their victims in order to encourage them to take off
their clothes for them to take pictures.
k2...@lycos.com
Floyd Baker wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2004 19:46:19 -0800, k2...@lycos.com wrote:
>
> >Not one of you have answered that question?
>
>
> You know I've told you that we have the right... So why not is the
> better question.
And I have answered that question.
Because it gives pedos a great source of supply of pictures of naked
children to fuel on all their sick desires.
Dan Abel
k2...@lycos.com wrote:
> I thought nudism was only about the experience of being naked? I didn't
> think it was about looking at naked people or being looked at while
> naked.
>
> So why do you need to show nude children?
Does somebody have to show need in order to do something? This reminds me
of the attitude of many responsible women. It isn't safe for them to be
out at night, so they don't go out at night because they don't *need* to,
they can just do the things they want to do during the day. Other women
have adopted the slogan, "Take back the night". They don't see why their
activities need to be restricted because lowlifes are out there.
There are many good reasons why parents don't want nude pictures of their
children published. On the other hand, even if no nudists allowed
pictures of their nude children to be published, do you honestly think
that lowlifes could never get pictures of nude children? Not likely. All
that would happen is that the nude pictures would get driven underground,
and the scum of the earth would be supplying them. The more pictures of
nudist children appear, the less scummy these pictures will be, and the
more it will seem normal and unperverted to see nude pictures of children.
--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS
da...@sonic.net
k2...@lycos.com
of sexuality. Therefore since nudism is a sensual experience, it does
k2...@lycos.com
Therefore since nudism is a sensual experience it does mean that nudism
is really all about sex. Perhaps nudists know that and are just lying
to others, or perhaps they are lying to themselves by not wanting to
see that on a subliminal that is what is driving their nudism.
Mark
messages that state the same thing. Go to church or something and pray for
enlightenment.....because your bulb is dimming rapidly.
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Mark
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, should have read on before posting.
>
> Thank you for providing your definition.
>
> But it does really matter.
>
> If a club allows people who view nudism as sensual in (and as you say
> everyone has their own definition of sensual) how can it really be safe
> for children.
>
> Seems to me that sensual is just an euphemism for sexual. And when some
> nudist say that nudism is sensual to them they really do mean that
> nudism is all about sex.
What a crock of crap! You are not only paranoid but ridiculously stupid to
boot. You wouldn't know sex if it hit you in the penis, and wouldn't
understand sensual of Goed explained it to you. You simply make a bigger
fool of yourself every time you post.
>
> And why do so many nudist clubs offer massages? It seems like perhaps
> on a Subliminal level or even on a concience level, that nudism does
> try to fulfill a sexual need for them.
GO TO A CLUB AND GET A CLUE. You have no basis for such a statement, just
uneducated supposition.
>
> To which I respond, either have sex or don't get nude. Nudism is a
> poor subsitute for fulifulling what you really need. Where the craving
> to get nude really comes from.
Fine----we know where you stand and need no further predjudiced input from
you. Now go back and tell Jerry falwell you've accomplished what you set out
to do---make a fool of yourself and fundamental christianity.....
>
> I am beginning to believe that nudism is about sex. Perhaps it is a way
> of acting it out at it's most innocuous level, but still it is about
> sex and therefore children shouldn't be around it.
>
BEGINNING to believe?????? There was never a doubt where you were coming
from Max. Like I said, you've fulfilled your obligation to the RRR, now go
attack someone else.
Molly Wilson
used and my conclusion is the same....however i can not conceive of
anyone going from textile to naked and not view it from our perspective
even though the person is a non emotional....non sexual type as most
nudist act sensual....so maybe sensuality activates the gene of
lying...but you and i do not possess that gene......jonZeee
Kathleen
>Date: 12/8/2004 1:21 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <41b751f4$0$1690$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>
>
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>
>"Mark" <ma...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:4aGtd.11042$714....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Molly Wilson" <mollye...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:24614-41...@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net...
>>> K2....that ol fifty seven chevy out in the barn with that strong blown
>>> three fifty .....with the four speed transmission......sensualiy is gear
>>> number one and as the tachometer pushes eight thousand ....you leave
>>> sensuality and approach hard core sexuality and by the time you hit that
>>> last gear....man you are out of sight then.....see gear number one just
>>> lets you know something is a fixin to happen.....and when you hit that
>>> next gear.....you know its happening...jonZeee
>>
>>
>> You are more shallow than Max......
>>
>==========================
richard>Only jonzee could get sexual about a car.
>He clearly has not a clue.
>
>
>
What happened to your not reposting Johnz's posts? you and mark both did it
today.....
you just aren't capable of not responding and you can't keep from reposting
what he says also.
He's more interesting then you and mark will admit. You all have proved that.
Kathleen
Kathleen
>boot. You wouldn't know sex if it hit you in the penis, and wouldn't
>understand sensual of Goed explained it to you. You simply make a bigger
>fool of yourself every time you post.
wow mark, you are so articulate and quite the debater! NOT
Kathleen
Kathleen
>Date: 12/8/2004 4:38 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <6oLtd.9180$Va5....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
>
>How many times are you going to repeat your stupidity??? This makes 4 or 5
>messages that state the same thing. Go to church or something and pray for
>enlightenment.....because your bulb is dimming rapidly.
>
>
posts to share--trip reports etc.
I have not seen one thing that you have shared that is positive. Surely you
have been on a trip or have something fun to say about where you live? no?
Kathleen
jon...@webtv.net
to you. You simply make a bigger fool of yourself every time you
K2.....goofus corrects everyone on their spelling and grammar......and
he has got penis on the brain.....this nudism cult can plunge a person
into complete insanity......he is in the latter stages.....of coherence
and ability to communicate.....note the seemingly immaturity he
demonstrates......jonZeee
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/Oriorden.html
Mark
"Kathleen" <okeef...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20041208180818...@mb-m19.aol.com...
Look......90% of your posts contain one word...."exactly".
Take a look at yourself Kathleen.....you add little other than to attack
Bill P. I give him credit for not publicly retaliating because his
'experience' regarding you differs greatly from your public statements about
him......
Dan Abel
k2...@lycos.com wrote:
> If a club allows people who view nudism as sensual in (and as you say
> everyone has their own definition of sensual) how can it really be safe
> for children.
>
> Seems to me that sensual is just an euphemism for sexual. And when some
> nudist say that nudism is sensual to them they really do mean that
> nudism is all about sex.
This tells us a lot about you. It tells us that you have sex on the
brain, that you are unable to think about anything pleasurable without
thinking that it is about sex. Furthermore, although I don't know where
you are actually coming from, I generally find that people who can think
of nothing but sex, aren't actually having any sex, that's why they think
about it constantly.
There are a whole lot of sensual pleasures in life that have nothing to do
with sex. Children can experience sensual things also, and it still isn't
about sex.
k2...@lycos.com
But those who say nudism is a sensual experience are.
You don't even try to explain what "sensual" in a nudist context means.
Is does seem like it is just an euphemism, or better stated the first
rung in the sexual ladder.
Ok, Dan, what does sensuality mean to you?
k2...@lycos.com
adult) and about other forms of BSDM. That it is a sensual experience,
not necessarily a sexual one.
But most people don't.
They know that saying something like that is so lame that no one would
believe it.
Nudists though they are fooling themselves. I don't think it is them
trying to lie to others(well at least most of them) but it is really
about them not wanting to admit the truth to themselves although deep
down they know it.
cyndiann
>
> Thank you for providing your definition.
>
> But it does really matter.
>
> If a club allows people who view nudism as sensual in (and as you say
> everyone has their own definition of sensual) how can it really be safe
> for children.
Clarification please.... how can that be unsafe?
>
> Seems to me that sensual is just an euphemism for sexual. And when some
> nudist say that nudism is sensual to them they really do mean that
> nudism is all about sex.
You are looking at it in a black and white way. For instance, I might see
someone that I'm attracted to sexually at a nudist resort and might even end
up with a date but I'm not having sex, and even if I did that does not mean
"nudism is all about sex". Nudism is never all about sex. I'm being a human
person the same time I'm a nudist. There isn't just one factor at play at
any one time. I can be a nudist and can also be single and looking, and can
also be a golfer and a diabetic and a truckdriver. Does that mean nudism is
all about driving trucks or golfing?
>
> And why do so many nudist clubs offer massages? It seems like perhaps
> on a Subliminal level or even on a concience level, that nudism does
> try to fulfill a sexual need for them.
Most resorts of any kind offer massages, clothed or not. They are going to
offer any service they think they can make money from and they feel a
customer would want. You area again missing the point. You must not have
ever gotten a massage. Most are relaxing but not sexual. Again you are
mixing nudism with totally unrelated things like massage. They can go
together or not, nudism doesn't change how someone feels about massage.
>
> To which I respond, either have sex or don't get nude. Nudism is a
> poor subsitute for fulifulling what you really need. Where the craving
> to get nude really comes from.
Being a sexual being doesn't mean you want sex right this minute. Having a
massage doesn't mean you want sex. Being nude doesn't mean you want sex.
>
> I am beginning to believe that nudism is about sex. Perhaps it is a way
> of acting it out at it's most innocuous level, but still it is about
> sex and therefore children shouldn't be around it.
Beliefs and perhaps doesn't qualify like plain old fashioned experience.
Those fortunate enough to live in some parts of Europe know that nudity has
many meanings and levels, some sexual and some not. It's the ones in the US
that don't get that. Why do you feel children should not be around sex? How
do you feel it will hurt them?
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear K2,
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to get at here. You say
> the web site isn't sensual but it could be? What?
The same as beauty and obscenity, that's in the eyes of the beholder.
> But what I am trying to understand is what does sensual mean and how
> does it differ from sexual. It doesn't help me to see a non sensual
> site.
It's possible to have a very exhilarating sensual experience without sex,
such as seeing the Red Sox completely humiliate the Yankees, then to win
four more straight; Bill, who doesn't even ordinarily watch baseball, was
screaming like a kid! Ditto the Patriots winning the Super Bowl.
C&B
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1102550671.8...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> I don't think about sex all the time.
>
> But those who say nudism is a sensual experience are.
Nope. Please post your evidence that they think about sex all the time or
shut up about it.
cyndiann
jon...@webtv.net
TOPIC....it is concluded that 99 percent of nudist say it is
sensual...and kids too if they know what it means ....churches and
actions and reactions apart from nudism is OFF TOPIC.....if you are into
sensuous nudism...then speak for yourself but most all the nudist....
see nudism as sensuous and sexual.......and behave accordingly....surely
there is no one in the twenty first century that thinks nudism is not
all about exhibitionism....that is the nucleus...jonZeee
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/Oriorden.html
El Dorado Hot Springs
Dear K2,
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1102543802.3...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry, should have read on before posting.
>
> Thank you for providing your definition.
>
> But it does really matter.
>
> If a club allows people who view nudism as sensual in (and as you say
> everyone has their own definition of sensual) how can it really be safe
> for children.
Since when is thought (IF it occurs) unsafe for children?
> Seems to me that sensual is just an euphemism for sexual. And when some
> nudist say that nudism is sensual to them they really do mean that
> nudism is all about sex.
No. See our previous message.
> And why do so many nudist clubs offer massages? It seems like perhaps
> on a Subliminal level or even on a concience level, that nudism does
> try to fulfill a sexual need for them.
And just WTF does a masage have to do with sex? Where is you mind, anyway?
> I am beginning to believe that nudism is about sex. Perhaps it is a way
> of acting it out at it's most innocuous level, but still it is about
> sex and therefore children shouldn't be around it.
You have a lot to learn. Have you ever been to a nudist park?
C&B
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> I have heard people say the same thing about spanking (adult spanking
> adult) and about other forms of BSDM. That it is a sensual experience,
> not necessarily a sexual one.
>
> But most people don't.
>
> They know that saying something like that is so lame that no one would
> believe it.
>
> Nudists though they are fooling themselves. I don't think it is them
> trying to lie to others(well at least most of them) but it is really
> about them not wanting to admit the truth to themselves although deep
> down they know it.
>
truth why should I bother posting at all? You are just trolling now.
As for spanking, that is definitely sexual. No doubt!
cyndiann
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> So it doesn't matter to you that they are basically not catering to
> nudists (for whom nudity and naked people aren't big things) But
> instead are catering to pedos and other sickos?
I have no idea how the statement above is linked to what I posted. What the
hell is "other sickos"?
And did I say I agreed with what INA does? Nope.....
But evidently not for the same reasons you disagree with it.
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1102544110.8...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I am beginning to think that sensual is just an euphemism for sexual.
> At least in nudist speak.
>
guess. Your problem, not mine.
And what the fuck is wrong with being sexual anyway?
cyndiann
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> They also use the photos when they are preying upon the children.
>
> They show them to their victims in order to encourage them to take off
> their clothes for them to take pictures.
>
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> I should say that nudism is the first rung on the sexual ladder.
They aren't even on the same ladder! Get it yet?
> Therefore since nudism is a sensual experience it does mean that nudism
> is really all about sex.
Because?
> Perhaps nudists know that and are just lying
> to others, or perhaps they are lying to themselves by not wanting to
> see that on a subliminal that is what is driving their nudism.
>
So you are just arguing to argue because you really don't have the
experience to say huh?
El Dorado Hot Springs
Wrong again. You're wasting time dragging this on and on, saying pretty much
the same things over and over. Your mind is filled with sex and you don't
belong here.
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
El Dorado Hot Springs
Wrong again.
One can have an extremely sensual, over the top experience that has nothing
to do with sex. Actually, people with feelings can have many of them, such a
cresting a mountain, seeing a great sunset, seeing steam rise from the hot
springs in the moonlight -- they're all around us, that is people who aren't
obsessed with sex as you obviously are.
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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El Dorado Hot Springs
Oh, god, you're starting to sound like a broken record. Wrong again.
If you keep this up, very soon you'll be blocked.
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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El Dorado Hot Springs
Personally, Mark, we're beginning to think he's seen the light -- too many
times.
"Mark" <ma...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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El Dorado Hot Springs
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> You don't even try to explain what "sensual" in a nudist context means.
It's the wind and sun and water on ones's body, unencumbered by clothing.
It's not about sex.
Please stop posting the same things over and over.
You are making no sense.
You don't know what you're talking about, making it impossible for you to
understand what we're talking about.
Please say goodbye.
k2...@lycos.com
> > > Have you asked them? They make money from doing that. As far as I
> > know INA
> > > isn't a non-profit and their goal is to make money. I don't
really
> > think
> > > they care if it's nudists that look at those pictures or not as
long
> > as they
> > > pay the fee.
> And did I say I agreed with what INA does? Nope.....
Ok, then you are against what they do. Good
Amd who do I mean by other sickos. Well besides pedos there are men who
just like to look at naked women for lude reasons.
cyndiann wrote:
> <k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:1102543942....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
k2...@lycos.com
But of course even if they don't have sex their desire comes from sex.
I am just asking if the same thing is true about nudism?
k2...@lycos.com
Wow, you want children to be around sex cyndiann?
Mark
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> But of course even if they don't have sex their desire comes from sex.
Actually I think you'll find that sex comes FROM desire.....but then again
you have the rrr background to keep YOU warm.....
> I am just asking if the same thing is true about nudism?
You'll need to restate your question based on your false assumption of
desire coming from sex.
Mark
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
> Amd who do I mean by other sickos. Well besides pedos there are men who
> just like to look at naked women for lude reasons.
>
Max, how old are you REALLY???? You sound more and more like a child with
each post.
El Dorado Hot Springs
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
> Wow, you want children to be around sex cyndiann?
That's not what she asked you, fool. Please respond to what she asked of you
instead of jumping to another false conclusion.
Bill
cyndiann
> > Why do you feel children should not be around sex? How
> > do you feel it will hurt them?
> >
> Wow, you want children to be around sex cyndiann?
>
questions and stop playing games.
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Yep, but some would say that it isn't sexual if they don't have sex.
So?
>
> But of course even if they don't have sex their desire comes from sex.
>
> I am just asking if the same thing is true about nudism?
If you haven't gotten what I've said by now I'm just wasting my time.
See ya!
cyndiann
anny...@nospam.com
k2...@lycos.com wrote:
>
> It doesn't bother you what some people are probably doing to the
> pictures of your children.
>
> What kinds of thoughts people have when they look at them. How they use
> them to "get off"?
>
> That would creep me out.
Isn't it better for someone to do something to a picture than to a real person?
Do you agree or disagree?
cyndiann
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > > > Have you asked them? They make money from doing that. As far as I
> > > know INA
> > > > isn't a non-profit and their goal is to make money. I don't
> really
> > > think
> > > > they care if it's nudists that look at those pictures or not as
> long
> > > as they
> > > > pay the fee.
>
> > And did I say I agreed with what INA does? Nope.....
> Ok, then you are against what they do. Good
I didn't say that either. I didn't give an opinion. You are trolling.
>
>
> Amd who do I mean by other sickos. Well besides pedos there are men who
> just like to look at naked women for lude reasons.
>
That's a sicko to you? ROFLOL!
cyndiann
k2...@lycos.com
The way you wrote it made it sound like you believed that there was
nothing wrong with children being around sex.
Didn't mean to troll you.
k2...@lycos.com
El Dorado Hot Springs wrote:
> Dear K2,
>
> And just WTF does a masage have to do with sex? Where is you mind,
anyway?
>
BillT...@watchbillrun.com
wrote:
>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:55:09 -0800, Bert Clanton
><eubi...@starstream.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <1102519013....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> k2...@lycos.com wrote:
>>
>>> Cyndiann it only starts with the pictures. The pictures add fuel to
>>> excite the sickos desires.
>>>
>>>
>>> cyndiann wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> > I'd rather someone "get off" on a picture than harm a child.
>>> > cyndiann
>>>
>>
>>Is there any actual research that supports the belief that pedophiles
>>seeing pictures of naked children actually increases the likelihood of
>>their *molesting* children? Some people, including me, doubt that it
>>does.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>Bert
>
>Pornography has been shown to *reduce* sexual crime. They legalized
>pornography in the Netherlands and crimes went down. It's a proven
>fact.
>
>These people who rail against porn are simply ignorant. They
>completely dismiss reality as it doesn't fit into *their* world...
>They have only their ideas.., based on their perverted upbringing..,
>that leads them to feel as they do. They totally ignore the facts.
>
>Floyd
So, it appears that Floyd is back on the Nudist families have a social
responsiblity to have their kids nude pictures in public so as to sate
the appetite of pedophiles, and thus, according to floyd, and other
rec.nude regulars in this thread, keep them from physically acting out
their fantasies.
BillT...@watchbillrun.com
>Bert,
>
>Why did you put molesting in quotes?
>
>
>Bert Clanton wrote:
>>
>> Is there any actual research that supports the belief that pedophiles
>
>> seeing pictures of naked children actually increases the likelihood
>of
>> their *molesting* children? Some people, including me, doubt that it
>> does.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Bert
Because Bert doesn't see pedophiles having relations with kids as
being molesting. He believes that having sex with kids is good for the
kids emotional and physical well-being.
k2...@lycos.com
subconcious way?
It seems like most of you don't want to admit it to yourself, but
perhaps when you talk about sensuality, you don't want to believe that
you are on the first rung of sexuality.
Just leave the kids out of this.
Richard C. wrote:
.
>
> =============================
> Think what you like. It is not about sex.
> =============================
>
> > Perhaps it is a way
> > of acting it out at it's most innocuous level, but still it is
about
> > sex and therefore children shouldn't be around it.
> >
>
k2...@lycos.com
And stop lying to the rest of us about Nudism not being about sex.
Go to your fuck farms and have sex in the woods to your heart's
content.
cyndiann wrote:
> <k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:1102544110.8...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> And what the fuck is wrong with being sexual anyway?
>
> cyndiann
El Dorado Hot Springs
Bye bye.
You are gone.
<k2...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Stuffed Tiger
>Thanks for the clear answer and you have made some very good points.
>
>Still I wonder if it is all worth it when weighted against pedos using
>these photos as part of the rituals they go through when they are
>preying on children.
>
>Pedos often show these pictures to their victims. "See they didn't have
>any problem having naked pictures of themselves, why don't you let me
>take naked pictures of you."
>
... snip ...
Photos of family nudism would not be useful to them for that purpose.
In fact, it would have the opposite effect. The pictures they show are
private portraits not family nudist photos because that's what they
want to convince the child is OK. Pictures of nude children with their
parents and other children (in an activity) would show the child, in a
way any child can understand, that the criminal's attempt to isolate
them for private activities is the real issue, and that is the truth.
That's why I suggest for publication that portraits be clothed and
group activity photos be nude, and that is generally what I see in "N"
and "The Bulletin" anyway. Unfortunately, so many portraits of nude
children have been public for so long that I cannot see how any effort
nudists make will get this material out of the criminal's hands.
What nudists can do is show people what wholesome nudity really is all
about. That would help parents and children both to deal with the
criminal. That would also help society see the positive social
contribution a healthy view of the body can make that nudism offers.
Even textile parents could use these kinds of nudist materials to
show their children examples of wholesome nudity, depending on the age
level, the way we use simple pictures to explain sexual physiology to
children of different ages. A picture is worth a thousand words.
This works also with adults, where because of their occupation, being
nude would be being out of uniform. We don't want to let that stop us
from showing portrait images of nudists doing valuable, high esteem
work such as police and fire.
Without examples of wholesome nudity, our children are left with sex
and beauty magazines to form their mental images of normal people.
Young males in particular will get their hands on this material. This
impacts our entire society's treatment of women (and thus children)
and our heavily covetous notion of the good life among both sexes.
For example, clothing adds about 1/8" to 1/4" or more over the body.
That is twenty or thirty pounds. That is why models weigh twenty or
thirty pounds less than they should; so they look normal with clothes
on. The problem is that every normal person looks twenty to thirty
pounds heavier in clothes. It is a subliminal effect that most people
are not even aware of. It aggravates self-esteem and image problems.
A thousand fantasy images, though, can be dispelled by just one image
of the truth. Family nudists have the truth in this area. What works
is showing people the truth. Then people can be cajoled into keeping
their fantasies where they belong rather than hurting people.
Now that I think of it, perhaps these kinds of standards might help a
Barnes & Noble to classify Nudist publications differently than
men's/adult magazines or magazines potentially used by criminals.
Stuffed Tiger
Dario Western
It doesn't matter whether it's a real child, a picture of a real child or a
digitalised picture of a child: such an individual is one sick puppy who
should get professional help.
It's the same thing as rationalising the legalisation of heroin
when there are junkies sitting in jail or roaming the streets at night.
Dario Western
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