Is Nudiarist a true nudist?
Anna
attractive people at his blog.
Check out his photos at the blog below.
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com/
And then tell me if this is really a guy with a nudist mindset or just
some guy who likes looking at "nakie photos".
Nudiarist
First of all, "Anna" is not a nudist and is reportedly actually a male
who trolls this group.
I really don't understand the criticism of these kitschy old nudist
photos. I find them humorous and charming.
I have no control over the subject matter of these vintage photos. I'm
not going to be apologetic for the choices of photographers and
editors working for magazines 50 or 60 years ago.
Yes, many of these vintage nudist magazines were geared towards a male
audience, that's part of nudist history whether you like it or not.
Get over it.
Most if not all of the vintage photos I've posted are preserved as
part of nudist heritage by the The American Nudist Research Library
here - http://anrl.org/html/collection.html#Magazines
AANR and the NEF also have their own libraries of nudist books and
magazines.
ALL of the major nudist organizations make extensive use of
photographs in their publications - AANR, TNS, FCN, British Naturism
and others. Everyone uses visuals. To suggest that the use of nude
photographs is against the nudist mindset is to discredit the entire
movement from the earliest days of FKK through today.
I'm also sick and tired of this "true nudist mindset" bull, especially
from someone who has never once stepped into a nude social event.
So why not send me your nude photo for posting on my blog, Anna? I
won't be holding my breath.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Zee
Anna...i do not know nudarist but it appears he is may be one teir
above stuffed tiger on the intelligence scale....those photos could be
the sum total of a good guy that has now got himself a printer and
wanted to share them for what they are worth.....they were for the
pervert and pedo in those days and they may be geared a little more
for couples or whoever these days....but nothing is suggested by his
post that he is one way or the other....nudarist denys there is any
sexual mindset from all the nudist material that was ever
published.....so another bullshitter posting in rec nude...jz
stinso...@hotmail.com
<nudi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 8, 3:20�pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> He seems to have an obsession of posting nude photos of young
>> attractive people at his blog.
>>
>> Check out his photos at the blog below.
>>
>> http://nudiarist.blogspot.com/
>>
>> And then tell me if this is really a guy with a nudist mindset or just
>> some guy who likes looking at "nakie photos".
>
>First of all, "Anna" is not a nudist and is reportedly actually a male
>who trolls this group.
>
>I really don't understand the criticism of these kitschy old nudist
>photos. I find them humorous and charming.
You don't owe anyone an explanation. You might owe it to yourself to
use a kill file, or if your newsreader doesn't have a kill file, maybe
buy a newsreader that does. I stopped reading Anna forever ago. He
rarely adds anything of value to the discussion. You might consider
doeing the same.
-T.
Zee
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remember you are not dealing with jenny stuffed tiger here....so
nudarist has enough knowledge to figure everything out and form his
opinions of Anna....without reaching to get the bottle of cool aid to
put in your pocket ref.jim jones....... by exposing rifles if
something aint done about the truthful opinions of folks like
Anna...by doing the cowardly thing of killfile....he know all about
that without your input.....jz
Nudiarist
No, I said clearly many of those old nudist mags were geared towards a
male audience. Boys kept them in the same pile with Playboys. Many
nudist groups were not happy with these publications, but they are a
part of nudist history nonetheless. By today's standards, these old
nudist photos lack any titillation except for the grossly immature.
They are kitschy, nostalgic and fun, and it doesn't take rocket
science intelligence to figure that out.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Zee
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yep....i agree that a chimp could figure out what you said.....but
what seems to be confounding to the average nudist and they cannot
figure it out is.....a peer group that goes public and touts the non
sexual content and exhibitionism abounds....per their displays of
naked men women and children for many years in dirty book stores......
leaves the general population feeling that these nuts are not even
worth listening to....who are they trying to kid....but i think you
realize this is utter stupidity and can see where the general
population is right....and that aint good....now we got it straight
but these nudist will never figure it out.....they even go so far as
to say it is the safest place on the planet for children...and the
owners say you are responsible for your kids....do not let them out of
your sight...hey like dont come back like idiot nudist and say ...but
you gotta watch em everywhere.....no there is churches shopping
malls ...festivals in the cities ...neighborhood parties...friends
kinfolks and all other such gatherings where they are safer without
being titilated sexually......but you know that but jenny and stuffed
tiger do not know it....and Anna is a general pop person and she feels
it may be correct.....i would say that family nudism is the worlds
greatest place for children to be titilated sexually...they even made
laws with nudist in mind.....when those kids are seen jackin off at
camp and they do.....there is a law against permitting the sexual
performance of a child......so see the nudist have their very own laws
that regulate their behavior.....jz
Anna
> On Dec 8, 3:20 pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > He seems to have an obsession of posting nude photos of young
> > attractive people at his blog.
>
> > Check out his photos at the blog below.
>
> >http://nudiarist.blogspot.com/
>
> I really don't understand the criticism of these kitschy old nudist
> photos. I find them humorous and charming.
I find them exploitative.
I could understand you posting some of them once saying "this is the
bad olde days of nudism" but you post them practically every day.
Like you have some fetish about old nakie photos.
Anna
> No, I said clearly many of those old nudist mags were geared towards a
> male audience. Boys kept them in the same pile with Playboys.
Exactly.
But back then as it is now nudists were going on and on about how
nudism isn't about sex.
They lied to us back then. Why should we trust them now.
Zee
very good Anna....they are their own worst enemy.....jz
Nudiarist
Nonsense. The people in the photos are all smiling and having a
wonderful time. You really should try it sometime.
Yes, posting photos every day is precisely the idea behind the "photo
of the day" concept. It's not difficult to grasp.
No, I am not sexually aroused by vintage nudist photos, just like I am
not aroused by all the nude art in our public museums. Throwing around
words like "fetish" and "exploitative" says a lot more about your own
hangups than mine.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Nudiarist
It isn't about sex. Take the word of people who actually practice
social nudism, not some man posing as "Anna" who is obsessed with
"true nudism" but is too sexually frustrated and hung up to actually
try it.
Boys will learn to masturbate to virtually any visual stimulus, even
Sears catalog underwear ads. That does not mean that Sears is about
sex.
The vintage nudist magazines are relics of the past. Again, one does
not have to possess superior intellect to be able to see these
nostalgic images as anything more than innocent and fun. Filth is in
the eye of the beholder.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Zee
so the cps catch a young boy jackin off to a nudist magazine and you
say but they jackoff to anything.....and they say yeah and that proves
there is sexual content to the nudist magazines....and of course if
the county court found them to be child porn.....you would respect
that decision...right....or would you suggest the issue be appealed to
the ussc......by the way you dont show any kids in your site....are
you just into adult nudism....jz
Anna
> Yes, posting photos every day is precisely the idea behind the "photo
> of the day" concept. It's not difficult to grasp.
And that is what makes it an obsession with you instead of you just
showing through a couple of posts the dark days of nudism.
Anna
> It isn't about sex. Take the word of people who actually practice
> social nudism
The same types of people who lied about it in the 1970s?
Nudiarist
Obsession? You mean like a man posing as a woman called "Anna"
trolling newsgroups with well over 12,000 (yes, that's twelve
thousand) posts in 186 groups? That's obsession! Dedicated,
passionate, involved - those are far more appropriate adjectives to
describe my interest in nudism.
What you refer to as "dark days" were actually the "golden days" when
most nudists active today got involved in the lifestyle in the 60s and
70s. The Woodstock generation, if you will. Calling this era "dark"
only shows your own ignorance and bias on the subject.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
> What you refer to as "dark days" were actually the "golden days" when
> most nudists active today got involved in the lifestyle in the 60s and
> 70s. The Woodstock generation, if you will. Calling this era "dark"
> only shows your own ignorance and bias on the subject.
>
> nudiaristhttp://nudiarist.blogspot.com
There may have been more people participating in nudism back then but
there were more people back then perverting nudism. That is DARK, not
"golden".
Nudiarist
There are liars, charlatans and poseurs for every aspect of life in
every era of human existence. "Anna", for example.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Nudiarist
Show me hard statistics to back up this claim that you just pulled out
of your butt.
nudiarist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
You backup the claim all the time with your postings of these photos.
They are indeed the stuff that teenage boys hid under their beds like
playboy.
Nudiarist
Your ignorance is astounding. Teenage boys kept the Sears catalog
under their beds, too, for the lingerie ads. A 15 year-old will
masturbate to anything. I guarantee you that the Sports Illustrated
swimsuit issue ends up under an awful lot of beds.
You are also insinuating that masturbation is somehow a bad thing,
when it is actually a normal, healthy sexual release for humans.
These vintage nudist photos bear little resemblance to Playboy
centerfolds, and you know it. Yes, many of these old magazines focused
heavily on the female figure, and it's still true today that
photographers generally use women as subject matter. Of course it
would not occur to you that perhaps civilization has simply preferred
the female figure over the male in terms of aesthetics. The nude is a
proud tradition in all aspects of art.
Your point-of-view which sees these vintage images as sexual and dirty
speaks volumes about your own frustrations and hang-ups. All one can
do at this point is pity you.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
> On Dec 10, 12:34 pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 9:16 am, Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 10, 12:11 pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 10, 9:07 am, Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > What you refer to as "dark days" were actually the "golden days" when
> > > > > most nudists active today got involved in the lifestyle in the 60s and
> > > > > 70s. The Woodstock generation, if you will. Calling this era "dark"
> > > > > only shows your own ignorance and bias on the subject.
>
> > > > > nudiaristhttp://nudiarist.blogspot.com
>
> > > > There may have been more people participating in nudism back then but
> > > > there were more people back then perverting nudism. That is DARK, not
> > > > "golden".
>
> > > Show me hard statistics to back up this claim that you just pulled out
> > > of your butt.
>
> > > nudiaristhttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com
>
> > You backup the claim all the time with your postings of these photos.
> > They are indeed the stuff that teenage boys hid under their beds like
> > playboy.
>
> Your ignorance is astounding. Teenage boys kept the Sears catalog
> under their beds, too, for the lingerie ads. A 15 year-old will
> masturbate to anything. I guarantee you that the Sports Illustrated
> swimsuit issue ends up under an awful lot of beds.
I don't know about the Sears catalog but indeed the Sports Illustrated
Swimsuit issue is quite sexy indeed. They probably shouldn't have
that issue in the libraries.
Nudiarist
Be afraid, be very afraid, of anyone who advocates censorship of
perfectly legal materials.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
> These vintage nudist photos bear little resemblance to Playboy
> centerfolds, and you know it.
They were as much as they could get away with at the time and did open
the way for the Playboys and such later on.
One thing I do find that is quite interesting is back then it was all
about showing pubic hair. That is one of the main things that pervs
looked for back then.
Now it is all about being a "smoothy".
I don't know what that says about nudist culture or probably more
about our culture in general. Unfortunately we do seem to want to for
the lack of a better word become 'infantile" and part of this could be
the smoothy movement and also how we seem to try to sexualize children
at younger and younger ages.
I could see how the pedophile might think that everyone thinks like he
does but he is just honest enough to put his thoughts into action.
What he does is still wrong and he should be executed for it and he is
wrong about all males or even most males being attracted to little
boys and girls, but there sure must be a lot of pedos in the
advertising industry as they sure try to sexualize children at earlier
ages. And then you have all those girl beauty pageants where they
dress little girls like that Ramsey girl up like adults. Sick, Sick,
Sick.
Nudiarist
Incredible ignorance.
Most of the early nudist magazines airbrushed genitals and public
hair. It wasn't until 1958, a half-decade after Playboy began
publishing, that nudist magazines were permitted to be sent through
the mail. If anything, Playboy paved the way for nudist magazines.
Do some research, will ya?
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to sell that issue. I just
said it needs to be taken from the libraries. All the other issues are
about sports and aren't erotic as that issue is.
Nudiarist
Banning something from the library is censorship. You can't spin this
one.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
Well some things should be banned from the public library. Playboy
for example.
Zee
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look nudarist...in case you being new around here....you are coming on
now as a lying piece of shit.....you damned ignorant punk.....i have
lived this public nudity issue since the forties....and there was
never never never never you lying bastard....a nude pic of anyone in
magazines other than life and national geographic that could be found
none none none...and yet you damned bastard says playboy was
nude....no no no. playboy and penthouse showed nude after nudist
magazines which could be found even in the forties but the mailing
legalazation opened the door for playboy penthouse and hustler to have
their total nudity also....so you see Anna this is just another punk
assed child trying to talk in a adults only ng......it it totally true
that family nudism magazines are the folks that opened the door for
nudity and pornography and child pornography in the usa......so now we
got that issue straight and nudidodo....you better think before you
speak and know what you are talkin about as i can get a little more
little more if that is what you like...i think you may be a stuffed
tiger sock puppet and i have no patience....jz
Lane
a8929c...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Of course it
> would not occur to you that perhaps civilization has simply preferred
> the female figure over the male in terms of aesthetics.
Or, it may just be that ones who define the aesthetics for our civilization
are straight males, just like they get to define all of the other dominant
power structures?
--
Lane (not intending to derail your, ahem, entertaining banter with Anna)
Lane
news:2e267204-eeb5-424c...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:
Um, speak for yourself!
--
Lane (imagining some of those rugby actions shots!)
Nudiarist
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> look nudarist...in case you being new around here....you are coming on
> now as a lying piece of shit.....you damned ignorant punk.....i have
> lived this public nudity issue since the forties....and there was
> never never never never you lying bastard....a nude pic of anyone in
> magazines other than life and national geographic that could be found
> none none none...and yet you damned bastard says playboy was
> nude....no no no. playboy and penthouse showed nude after nudist
> magazines which could be found even in the forties but the mailing
> legalazation opened the door for playboy penthouse and hustler to have
> their total nudity also....so you see Anna this is just another punk
> assed child trying to talk in a adults only ng......it it totally true
> that family nudism magazines are the folks that opened the door for
> nudity and pornography and child pornography in the usa......so now we
> got that issue straight and nudidodo....you better think before you
> speak and know what you are talkin about as i can get a little more
> little more if that is what you like...i think you may be a stuffed
> tiger sock puppet and i have no patience....jz
I have no idea why I'm replying to this doofus, but here goes.
Nudist magazines were considered pornography until 1958 when it was
determined in court that they were of a NON-SEXUAL nature. It has
never been argued that Playboy is non-sexual. In fact, Playboy did not
show full frontal nudity until playmate Marilyn Cole bared all in
1972, although they did show slight glimpses of pubic hair as early as
1956.Penthouse is considered the first mainstream magazine to really
show pubic hair in 1969
Nudist publications are not mainstream (widely circulated), and never
have been. They are generally distributed through mail subscription in
small numbers, which made the 1958 court decision so important to
nudism. We're talking about The United States here - Europe has not
had the same hang-ups with depictions of the human body.
Nudist magazines did not open the door to mainstream nudity - that
came from cultural changes, mostly through the sexual revolution of
the Sixties and Seventies. Nudist mags were not, and are still not,
influential because most of the population has never even seen one.
And it's not as if nudity was something that nudist magazines
introduced to the public. The earliest cave drawings depict nude
people, as do the earliest sculptures. The Greek Olympic games were
played in the nude. In Rome, erotic art was part of everyday life.
Christianity suppressed such depictions through the Dark Ages, but
nudity in art returned in the Renaissance with Michelangelo and his
peers. And don't forget other cultures, such as India and Japan, which
have a rich tradition of nudes and erotic art. Since the end of
Victorian times, the nude has graced paintings, sculpture, magazines,
posters, books, calendars, post cards, and virtually any printed
media.
The history of nude photography can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_erotic_photography
The history of pornographic magazines can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_magazine
Playboy is the first MAINSTREAM magazine to feature glamorous nudes,
but it is hardly the first magazine or printed publication to depict
nudity.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Nudiarist
> Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d85b018c-c5ba-4517-8aac-
> a8929caa6...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Of course it
> > would not occur to you that perhaps civilization has simply preferred
> > the female figure over the male in terms of aesthetics.
>
> Or, it may just be that ones who define the aesthetics for our civilization
> are straight males, just like they get to define all of the other dominant
> power structures?
>
> --
> Lane (not intending to derail your, ahem, entertaining banter with Anna)
Well sure, that's part of it also.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Anna
You know I would question why nudists would have themselves
photographed naked any way.
I mean I understand how great it is to FEEL naked. But when one is
photographed naked obviously that person realizes that they will be
seen naked, and that's exhibitionism.
Sure they are seen naked at the nudist venue but the reason they are
there is to feel being naked. Photography doesn't accomplish that.
All it accomplishes is a permanent way that people can see you naked.
And who knows where such photos will end up and what people would do
with them.
Anna
Yeah, Rugby is kind of a gay sport isn't it. Perhaps not in places
where it's much, much more popular, but I mean in the United States.
Nudiarist
One fact of social nudism that is impossible to escape is that you are
going to be seen by others. Nudists take photos or each other just
like everyone else does. It's no big deal, but you wouldn't know
because you've never been to a nudist event or venue.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Lane
news:1376389e-e773-4e15...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 10, 2:01�pm, Lane <absolutel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote
>> innews:2e267204-eeb5-424c-bb84-ad24702
> f3...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Dec 10, 10:05 am, Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Dec 10, 12:57 pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> >> > I don't know about the Sears catalog but indeed the Sports
>> >> > Illustrated Swimsuit issue is quite sexy indeed. They probably
>> >> > shouldn't have that issue in the libraries.
>>
>> >> Be afraid, be very afraid, of anyone who advocates censorship of
>> >> perfectly legal materials.
>>
>> >> nudiaristhttp://nudiarist.blogspot.com
>>
>> > I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to �sell that issue. I just
>> > said it needs to be taken from the libraries. All the other issues
>> > are about sports and aren't erotic as that issue is.
>>
>> Um, speak for yourself!
>>
>> --
>> Lane (imagining some of those rugby actions shots!)
>
> Yeah, Rugby is kind of a gay sport isn't it. Perhaps not in places
> where it's much, much more popular, but I mean in the United States.
Yeah, hard-hitting, bone crushing football with no pads or helmets.
Pretty darned gay.
--
Lane
Zee
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so now you wanna talk huh....well i wish i had a couple of troll
students...here i could demonstrate the exposure of a low level goof
that they could plainly see how to expose.....you are totally
wrong...ie.. if you were around in the forties and was walking around
the big city downtown areas...ref..la nyc..dallas atlanta .....you
would have learned what was happening...you might go to the public
library and then note the strip tease places where they stripped to a
bikini....and some of the movie house strip shows would take it all
off for a second or two...ref....sally rand and her state fair tent
production and kids filled the place....and she had shaved
pubes.....so you could have went to the downtown news stands as there
were no adult book stores then...and in the back part was a display
not visible from the front door of esquire and a few cutie type girl
mags showing catching their skirt on the bob wire fence...and up in
the corner too high for a kid to reach would be sunshine and
health....all us kids would get the tallest boy to go in and buy a
copy for us.....playboy first issue was 1956 so it was a long time
that nudist magazines were being sold in the late forties.in the
newstands.....until that 1956 date when they could go with the naked
pictures and of course the nudist mags were still around which started
it all to total nudity....see you said they were subscription
only....i suppose they could have been ordered by mail ....but a kid
cannot have those things sent to his house nor could any adult mail if
he was married or living with parents....so all the newstands had them
for sale.....now you are reading alot but you were not down on the
pavement for the real truth.....so you need to back off with your
erroneous bullshit and how is it that you dont show kids in your
nudism pictures ...there is plenty around....or did you lie about all
the nudist kid mags being legal....yep...you sure did...i will make
you a wager....try placing a nudist camp moppets mag at the grocery
store check out counter and see what happens....in some areas that is
child pornography according to community standards...there is no
standard for child porn....it is how the local folks see it....and you
are wrong on that issue also....so you need to go back to school or
give it up.....jz
Anna
I mean most of the guys who play the sport (in the United States) are
homosexuals.
Anna
> One fact of social nudism that is impossible to escape is that you are
> going to be seen by others.
Yeah, but that's not PURPOSE for going nude. It is just an obvious
condition.
The purpose of going nude is because how it makes YOU feel.
>. Nudists take photos or each other just
> like everyone else does. It's no big deal.
Perhaps no big deal to the nudist but if the picture is for a magazine
who knows where it goes out to.
This isn't like personal photographs for ones own viewing and that of
nudist friends and family (even there I wonder).
This is going out to the big wide world and especially these days with
the Internet, it seems like an exercise in exhibitionism.
didgerman
So are the women that watch it.
Anna
> One fact of social nudism that is impossible to escape is that you are
> going to be seen by others.
Yeah and they are going to see you nude when you are there and perhaps
if they close their eyes afterward they might have a mental picture of
you nude (though I doubt it).
But it doesn't have the permanence a photograph does. And like I said
when we are talking about being photographed nude for a magazine like
a nudist magazine who knows where it will end up especially now with
the Internet.
Nudism is about the feel of being naked. This sounds more like
exhibitionism where one WANTS others to be seen in the nude (as
opposed to one not minding being seen by others in the nude while at
the club). That's exhibitionism.
Zee
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and to add to your new book you should be writing....nudarist nudist
hall of shame......when the seventies came along there opened up a lot
of nude sex businesses...and so did it and i had a dancer
busted....and i told my attorney to go into courst and tell the judge
that is nudist can be naked kids and adults then certainly a nude
dancer could be naked even with a customer who was also nude.....and
the JUDGE AGREED..and he dismissed the charges......so put that down
in your book....ok.....family nudism is the grandfather of nude sex
businesses.....jz
Anna
Again I am talking about the United States where rarely if ever do
they have Rugby on television.
In America it's not a sport you take up for the money. It would make
more sense in the United States to take up football where if you are
very good you can make millions. In American Rugby sometimes you have
to even pay money in order to help with the expenses.
And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
homosexuals. That is likely not the case in places where rugby is
much more popular and is one of the leading sports in the country.
Anna
I meant one WANTS others to see them nude (as opposed to not minding
being seen by others in the nude while at the club).
Of course wanting to see other naked people is called voyeurism and
fortunately that is cut down in the clubs because one has to get nude
to be there and most if not all voyeurs don't want to get nude
themselves.
But at the clothing optional beaches this is a big problem especially
with pervs with their high power telescopic lenses.
Lane
e80ad9...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
> And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
> homosexuals. That is likely not the case in places where rugby is
> much more popular and is one of the leading sports in the country.
>
Not that this comes as a surprise, but you don't have any idea what
you're talking about. The *only* rugby players I have known have been
straight. I am sure there are some gay ones, but it's ludicrous to say
that there is something about rugby that attracts gay players.
I will admit that the teams draw a gay audience (as well as a straight
one).
--
Lane
Nudiarist
> businesses.....jz
OK, my bad thinking that I could actually have a rational discussion
with this person.
nudiarist
http://nudiarist.blogspot.com
Zee
so lying idiots....and folks that dont know what they are talking
about only have rational discussions with persons that are stupid
enough to believe them....he he.....yeah buddy.....see Anna you gotta
think rational.....jz
stinso...@hotmail.com
<nudi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>.family nudism is the grandfather of nude sex
>> businesses.....jz
>
>OK, my bad thinking that I could actually have a rational discussion
>with this person.
Yeppers. Belongs in a kill file with the Anna entity. Indeed, they are
likely related.
-T.
Terry J. Wood
16d770...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>> I don't know about the Sears catalog but indeed the Sports Illustrated
>> Swimsuit issue is quite sexy indeed. ?They probably shouldn't have
>> that issue in the libraries.
> Be afraid, be very afraid, of anyone who advocates censorship of
> perfectly legal materials.
If you don't defend your constitutional rights then you will lose them.
Be very afraid indeed!
Terry J. Wood
9743dc...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> Banning something from the library is censorship. You can't spin this
> one.
Librarians often have to defend the public's right to see legal material.
I know of people who would like you to only be able to read things that
children are allowed to read. They do this in the name of protecting the
little children from harm. For instance, they'd like to see the internet in
the library filtered, not just for children, but for everyone.
The public have a right to know. You can protect children without censoring
adults.
A free society cannot tolerate censorship.
Terry J. Wood
0d1fcb...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
> I have no idea why I'm replying to this doofus...
People asked themselves this same question about the Reverend Fred Phelps.
The general consensus is that censorship is wrong -- even when censoring the
Reverend Fred Phelps.
So the only other solution is to post and speak out. That is if you
encounter "bad speech" be sure to post your own "good speech".
It's never appropriate to censor free speech.
That's probably why you are replying.
Terry J. Wood
38aed0...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
> It's no big deal, but you wouldn't know
> because you've never been to a nudist event or venue.
What's wrong with taking photos of nudes? I've photographed a number of my
friends in the nude. They're beautiful photos and my friends loved them.
Look at the nude in the Renaissance:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/numr/hd_numr.htm
Art classes all over the world rely on the nude to train artists. You can't
call yourself an artist if you can't draw a simple nude!
Zee
> Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:7d56924b-b759-433d-a8f3-
> 38aed04eb...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > It's no big deal, but you wouldn't know
> > because you've never been to a nudist event or venue.
>
> What's wrong with taking photos of nudes? I've photographed a number of my
> friends in the nude. They're beautiful photos and my friends loved them.
>
> Look at the nude in the Renaissance:
>
> http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/numr/hd_numr.htm
>
> Art classes all over the world rely on the nude to train artists. You can't
> call yourself an artist if you can't draw a simple nude!
thats it idiot....if you gonna change the subject to whats wrong with
nudity and drop the naked kid....then lets talk about nude kid models
in your beloved art class....why are your artist censoring nude kid
models...uh huh......jz
Lane
news:Xns9CDDE8D...@216.168.3.30:
I love your defense in general, Terry. I am just not sure that Zee is
credible enough to warrant the trouble. When you can see the drool
coming out of his mouth even in his text? Just not sure it needs a
response.
--
Lane
timbochov
Anna,
You are about as ignorant as George Bush.
mungbean
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:743d36f7-64b2-4391...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 10, 2:46 pm, Lane <absolutel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote
> innews:1376389e-e773-4e15...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>I mean most of the guys who play the sport (in the United States) are
>homosexuals.
Thank you Anna, you just made my day with your above statement, i needed a
good laugh.
2 Questions
1. I would love to know what facts you use to base your opinion on, I take
it that this is your opinion or are you quoting some verse from some
standard American book on life in the US?
2. Where in the States are you?
didgerman
Oh dear, let's begin....
>
> Again I am talking about the United States where rarely if ever do
> they have Rugby on television.
Okaayyy, so you don't go to rugby matches, and rarely, if ever, watch it
on TV. But from that you can deduce that all the players are gay?
>
> In America it's not a sport you take up for the money.
In the whole entire world {yes, that thing they tried to teach you about
at school}, rugby is not a game you take up for the money. Not unless
you're one of the 0.000001% of players that get paid.
It would make
> more sense in the United States to take up football where if you are
> very good you can make millions.
Sense? How many people take up 'football', how many make millions?
In American Rugby sometimes you have
> to even pay money in order to help with the expenses.
Imagine that, actually having to pay for the pleasure.
>
> And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
> homosexuals.
Or possibly that within the rugby community, being gay isn't a big
secret. There's probably 100's of gay footballers that are just too
scared to say so.
That is likely not the case in places where rugby is
> much more popular and is one of the leading sports in the country.
Hmmm, well, granted the jury is out on that one.
Mike
Most rugby players are not professional and at the lower levels players
also play to pay. Doesn't make them gay, some people play sport for
enjoyment.
Are you saying all sportsmen/women in the US are professional or
aspiring to be so? That's sad.
> And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
> homosexuals. That is likely not the case in places where rugby is
> much more popular and is one of the leading sports in the country.
Maybe they are just making a darn good excuse not to shag you. Never
played the gay card myself but a friend of mine has played it and says
it's a sure fire way to get rid of the fuglys without bad feeling.
Mike
Uncle Dave
<snip that shite>
>
> And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
> homosexuals.
Ordinarily, I'd say you are very silly because somebody's sexual
orientation really doesn't matter when it comes to sports. As you're
obvioously some kind of homophobic troll, in your case I'll make an
exception and do you a favour and tell you that you're a fucking
idiot. Now go away and annoy someone else.
UD
Uncle Dave
I'm gay and so is my wife [glances over shoulder to make sure she's
not around]. Mike, this is a yank. Nobody in American does sport
unless it's for money. Nobody. For them, walking for a few yards
without the aid of an oxygen tank probably merits inclusion in the
Olympic trials.
Honestly though this sort of thing riles me. I suppose some might
find it troubling having some poof's head jammed up their jacksie, but
I rather think it makes no real difference. So long as you don't
suddenly feel a tongue probing around your nether regions ;-))
UD
Uncle Dave
> "Anna" <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote in message
Hopefully on the West Coast and without the urge to buy a plane ticket
to Europe any time soon.
UD
Klitty
Someones sexuality has every thing to do with certain sports.
I for one would not want to wrestle, for example, with some one who
takes pleasure having their nostrils flaring by my copious nut sack. In
oil or mud or nothing! Ditto I doubt very many front row forwards would
like having Daffyd sticking his pudgy little face up against their
backsides.
Uncle Dave
The thing is you'd never know. If somebody was so inclined, they're
hardly going to start making moaning noises in the middle of a scrum
are they? Mind you, if they were a bit slow breaking away and a had a
tent sticking out of their trousers that might be a bit of a
giveaway.
UD
Two Dogs
Good on ya Dave, attack the girl for being stupid enough to label an
entire group of people gay by being stupid enough to label an entire
group of people lazy and avaricious.
Two Dogs
Lane
news:hfu05m$9od$1...@klitty.eternal-september.org:
> Someones sexuality has every thing to do with certain sports.
>
> I for one would not want to wrestle, for example, with some one who
> takes pleasure having their nostrils flaring by my copious nut sack.
> In oil or mud or nothing! Ditto I doubt very many front row forwards
> would like having Daffyd sticking his pudgy little face up against
> their backsides.
>
Blech. And here I thought the only misinformed homophobic troglodytes
were here the states. Sigh.
--
Lane
James Dale Guckert
> On Dec 10, 2:24 pm, Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 4:58 pm, Lane <absolutel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Nudiarist <nudiar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d85b018c-c5ba-4517-8aac-
> > > a8929caa6...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > Of course it
> > > > would not occur to you that perhaps civilization has simply preferred
> > > > the female figure over the male in terms of aesthetics.
>
> > > Or, it may just be that ones who define the aesthetics for our civilization
> > > are straight males, just like they get to define all of the other dominant
> > > power structures?
>
> > > --
> > > Lane (not intending to derail your, ahem, entertaining banter with Anna)
>
> > Well sure, that's part of it also.
>
> > nudiaristhttp://nudiarist.blogspot.com
>
> You know I would question why nudists would have themselves
> photographed naked any way.
To memorialize an event, perhaps?
> I mean I understand how great it is to FEEL naked. But when one is
> photographed naked obviously that person realizes that they will be
> seen naked, and that's exhibitionism.
Right. Because up to that moment, they have no idea that people are
looking at them.
Clever logic, that.
But what else can one expect from a fraud?
> Sure they are seen naked at the nudist venue but the reason they are
> there is to feel being naked. Photography doesn't accomplish that.
Photography records an event. Why wouldn't someone want to do that?
> All it accomplishes is a permanent way that people can see you naked.
It also records an event that people might want to remember.
> And who knows where such photos will end up and what people would do
> with them.
Well, that's up to the photographer.
The clearest proof that you are a fake nudist is your abject fear of
nude people, something you demonstrate with each post. Maybe you have
a fetish for the concept of nudity, but nude people -- with those
naughty bits and virtues and vices -- make you queasy with terror.
Which makes you much more amusing than zee, who's just an incoherent,
gassy slobber-machine.
JDG
James Dale Guckert
> I mean most of the guys who play the sport (in the United States) are
> homosexuals.
You're making that up, aren't you?
James Dale Guckert
How many people do you think actually get paid even a small amount to
play American football?
Okay, now divide that by the number of American football-players as a
whole.
What fraction do you get?
Are the rest of the players gay?
> And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
> homosexuals. That is likely not the case in places where rugby is
> much more popular and is one of the leading sports in the country.
So, "Anna's" Rule on Sport and Homosexuality goes something like: A
player of a sport that is not extremely popular in the nation whence
said player comes is likely gay.
Nice.
JDG
James Dale Guckert
More so. "W" managed to become a cheerleader even though he was
(apparently) a hetero.
JDG
Anna
> > I mean I understand how great it is to FEEL naked. But when one is
> > photographed naked obviously that person realizes that they will be
> > seen naked, and that's exhibitionism.
>
> Right. Because up to that moment, they have no idea that people are
> looking at them.
>
> Clever logic, that.
Sorry, I didn't finish that statement did I. The ONLY purpose of a
photograph is to be seen naked instead of being seen naked (by other
nudists) being incidential to participating in nude recreation. Sure
they know they will be seen nude while participating in nude
recreation but their PURPOSE isn't to be seen nude (although of course
they realize that will happen and they are fine with that) but instead
it is to enjoy being nude.
And like I said, the photo is a PERMANENT image of them nude, and they
have no control who is going to see it. Textiles and maybe even those
textiles with a prurient interest in seeing nude images.
Uncle Dave
<sniperooni>
>
> > I'm gay and so is my wife [glances over shoulder to make sure she's
> > not around]. Mike, this is a yank. Nobody in American does sport
> > unless it's for money. Nobody. For them, walking for a few yards
> > without the aid of an oxygen tank probably merits inclusion in the
> > Olympic trials.
>
> Good on ya Dave, attack the girl for being stupid enough to label an
> entire group of people gay by being stupid enough to label an entire
> group of people lazy and avaricious.
I knew you'd turned native. I bet you think the past tense of "dive"
is "dove" doncha? Jeez, I bet you even believed ole Sadaam had them
nasty ole weapons of mass destruction trained on your banjo dincha?
Dincha? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha mine eyes
have seen the glory ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha look away
look away ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha jeez, good Spanish
brandy is *goooooodd*.
UD
James Dale Guckert
> On Dec 11, 10:58 am, James Dale Guckert <Dipt...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I mean I understand how great it is to FEEL naked. But when one is
> > > photographed naked obviously that person realizes that they will be
> > > seen naked, and that's exhibitionism.
>
> > Right. Because up to that moment, they have no idea that people are
> > looking at them.
>
> > Clever logic, that.
>
> Sorry, I didn't finish that statement did I. The ONLY purpose of a
> photograph is to be seen naked instead of being seen naked (by other
> nudists) being incidential to participating in nude recreation. Sure
You are in prime loon mode today.
I have photos from a trip I took to Hippie Hollow years ago, taken
with my camera by a couple I met there. I have some photos of them as
well. What I recall was the good time I had relaxing on the shore with
some nice folks. Good thing you weren't around to ruin everything with
your phony-baloney moral outrage.
> they know they will be seen nude while participating in nude
> recreation but their PURPOSE isn't to be seen nude (although of course
> they realize that will happen and they are fine with that) but instead
> it is to enjoy being nude.
IN A SOCIAL SETTING doing something they like to do, something they
might like to re-live through photos.
> And like I said, the photo is a PERMANENT image of them nude, and they
It's as permanent as the people who have the record want it to be.
> have no control who is going to see it. Textiles and maybe even those
> textiles with a prurient interest in seeing nude images.
Nude people can have prurient interests as well.
But that scaaaaares you, doesn't it you fraud?
Uncle Dave
> Klitty <mitti...@gmail.com> wrote innews:hfu05m$9od$1...@klitty.eternal-september.org:
Point of order. The use of the term "misinformed" in relation to the
term "homophobic" implies that homphobics can in some way be
"informed". Are you a surveyor? Why the troglodytes?
UD
Anna
> Well, that's up to the photographer.
I am primarily talking about nudists who are photographed for
magazines, especially back when you could find nudist magazines in
adult book stores (like in the 1970s and 1960s),
They know that their photo is going out to a wide audience which no
doubt include some people who have a prurient interest when looking at
their nude pictures.
Like I said they have little control over who sees these photos
especially now days with the internet.
Seems like they are being exhibitionists.
Anna
> On Dec 11, 12:11 pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:58 am, James Dale Guckert <Dipt...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I mean I understand how great it is to FEEL naked. But when one is
> > > > photographed naked obviously that person realizes that they will be
> > > > seen naked, and that's exhibitionism.
>
> > > Right. Because up to that moment, they have no idea that people are
> > > looking at them.
>
> > > Clever logic, that.
>
> > Sorry, I didn't finish that statement did I. The ONLY purpose of a
> > photograph is to be seen naked instead of being seen naked (by other
> > nudists) being incidential to participating in nude recreation. Sure
>
> You are in prime loon mode today.
>
> I have photos from a trip I took to Hippie Hollow years ago, taken
> with my camera by a couple I met there. I have some photos of them as
> well. What I recall was the good time I had relaxing on the shore with
> some nice folks. Good thing you weren't around to ruin everything with
> your phony-baloney moral outrage.
Who have you shown those photos to? Are they up on the Internet? Even
if they are up on the Internet do you have the type of body and are
you of the age that prurient interests would like to see it?
> > they know they will be seen nude while participating in nude
> > recreation but their PURPOSE isn't to be seen nude (although of course
> > they realize that will happen and they are fine with that) but instead
> > it is to enjoy being nude.
>
> IN A SOCIAL SETTING doing something they like to do, something they
> might like to re-live through photos.
> > And like I said, the photo is a PERMANENT image of them nude, and they
>
> It's as permanent as the people who have the record want it to be.
Not if it goes out over the Internet or is in a magazine. Those images
are out there forever.
> > have no control who is going to see it. Textiles and maybe even those
> > textiles with a prurient interest in seeing nude images.
>
> Nude people can have prurient interests as well.
Nude people or nudists/naturist (while all nudists/naturists are nude
people not all nude people are nudists/naturists)?
> But that scaaaaares you
It does concern me if they attend nudist venues. Like I said nudism
sounds Idyllic - perhaps too idyllic for the real world.
Anna
> I have photos from a trip I took to Hippie Hollow years ago, taken
> with my camera by a couple I met there. I have some photos of them as
> well. What I recall was the good time I had relaxing on the shore with
> some nice folks. Good thing you weren't around to ruin everything with
> your phony-baloney moral outrage.
The only thing I would be concerned about is where the camera might be
pointed at next. Other than that I wouldn't have a problem.
But if you put it on the Internet for all the world to see, yeah I
would question your intentions.
Two Dogs
Y'know, of course, that as part of helping Obammy get elected last
year I was promised 24hrs with a loaded Predator drone whenever I
needed it.
Where'd I put the Whitehouse number then....
Two Dogs
didgerman
> On Dec 11, 6:12 pm, Two Dogs <nzre...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> <sniperooni>
>>> I'm gay and so is my wife [glances over shoulder to make sure she's
>>> not around]. Mike, this is a yank. Nobody in American does sport
>>> unless it's for money. Nobody. For them, walking for a few yards
>>> without the aid of an oxygen tank probably merits inclusion in the
>>> Olympic trials.
>> Good on ya Dave, attack the girl for being stupid enough to label an
>> entire group of people gay by being stupid enough to label an entire
>> group of people lazy and avaricious.
>
> I knew you'd turned native.
Ooooh, bit rich coming from someone who joined an oompah band. And don't
say you haven't because I know you have, probably.....
I bet you think the past tense of "dive"
> is "dove" doncha? Jeez, I bet you even believed ole Sadaam had them
> nasty ole weapons of mass destruction trained on your banjo dincha?
> Dincha? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha mine eyes
> have seen the glory ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha look away
> look away ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha jeez, good Spanish
> brandy is *goooooodd*.
Too good for you by the looks of it.
>
> UD
>
>
didgerman
Oh shit, watch out Alaska.....
>
> Two Dogs
didgerman
Hoho, the old, always said in an overly deep voice 'men don't like
taking showers with men who like taking showers with men'. The battle
cry of latent homosexuals everywhere.
didgerman
No James, it's the guys who are making it up, any excuse to escape her
clutches.....
James Dale Guckert
Or they are being normal attention-hogs. People love to think that
what they are doing is worthy of other peoples' attention.
Or they are crusaders trying to normalize nudity, showing how people
can do everyday recreational things with other people with no clothes
on.
There are numerous possibilities.
You are the one who chooses to scandalize those who don't run
screaming from a camera, because you are the one with the bleak view
of humanity.
Why else pretend to be a nudist and try to teach nudists how to be?
Don't you hear the laughter from the gallery?
JDG
Anna
> On Dec 11, 2:04 pm, Anna <annalidd...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:58 am, James Dale Guckert <Dipt...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well, that's up to the photographer.
>
> > I am primarily talking about nudists who are photographed for
> > magazines, especially back when you could find nudist magazines in
> > adult book stores (like in the 1970s and 1960s),
>
> > They know that their photo is going out to a wide audience which no
> > doubt include some people who have a prurient interest when looking at
> > their nude pictures.
>
> > Like I said they have little control over who sees these photos
> > especially now days with the internet.
>
> > Seems like they are being exhibitionists.
>
> Or they are being normal attention-hogs. People love to think that
> what they are doing is worthy of other peoples' attention.
When you want to draw other people's attention to your nudity that's
exhibitionism!
Anna
Rugby is something that even nudists wouldn't want to try to do in the
nude.
For that matter neither is American Football.
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
oh well ...let the sport fit the agenda.....the only time the foot is
used in usa...is when they kick it maybe ten times a game ...yet
soccer is a foot ball game and its called soccer......the usa is a
lesson in violence .....why not...jz
timbochov
I think you are confusing rugby with beach volleyball.
Nice troll by the way A+
didgerman
Anna, are you really a bloke?
Charles
wrote:
>On Dec 10, 3:04�pm, didgerman <didger...@rfu.com> wrote:
>> > I mean most of the guys who play the sport (in the United States) are
>> > homosexuals.
>>
>> So are the women that watch it.
>
>Again I am talking about the United States where rarely if ever do
>they have Rugby on television.
>
>In America it's not a sport you take up for the money. It would make
>more sense in the United States to take up football where if you are
>very good you can make millions. In American Rugby sometimes you have
>to even pay money in order to help with the expenses.
>
>And yea, in America it does seem that most of the players are
>homosexuals. That is likely not the case in places where rugby is
>much more popular and is one of the leading sports in the country.
An object lesson on how the feminist PC liberal left-wing continue to
undermine the alpha male.
Borrowing heavily from Schopenhauer, they generate a malicious rumour
until it becomes generally adopted; keep regurgitating it until others
begin to accept it or question its veracity, then use the old "there's
no smoke without fire" theory, until it becomes 'received wisdom' and
therefore hey presto! - it must be true.
However, it's not a bad troll and it will always elicit a response.
Have a great weekend lads, and Anna (whoever he is) - you know I
intend to!! ;o)
Charles
wrote:
Hoho, the usual riposte of those that take it up the arse: "All men
that don't approve of 'brown hatterism' are latent homosexuals!"
Have a great weekend Didge - you know I intend to!! ;o)
viper
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:743d36f7-64b2-4391...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
WTF Anna, you think we're all super fucking straight elite athletes here
in Australia ? Never heard of MG and Matty ? Those two could show
you cunts a thing or two about pillow biting.
Fuckin' 'merkins, want the glory for everything.........
Viper
viper
"didgerman" <didg...@rfu.com> wrote in message
news:hfvfjt$jj9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Just leave it Didge, let em think their poofters are better than our
poofters. Get a Sydney Mardi Gras DVD Anna, we do it better
than you amateurs
Viper
didgerman
Geez mate, I'm getting wood.....
Klitty
Klitty
And the usual complete misrepresentation of views too :-; Nowhere did I
mention any "non approval of brown hatterism" - just that in the real
world certain same sex sports would not be practical if one was of a
re-tuned sexuality ...
didgerman
Yeah, it's just that you can't name one.....
Klitty
Lane
news:hg0f1l$vmg$1...@klitty.eternal-september.org:
You want to play it with straight folk?
--
Lane
didgerman
It's a toss up.
>
> Weirdo ...
Weirdest.
>