What is it with Nudists and Toga Parties?
Anna
Mar 20 Toga Party
These are sexualized events even in "clothed" environments. Imaging
what kind of event it can be in an half naked environment. And nudists
have always said that those who are 'revealing dressed" are sexual
whereas full nudity isn't because the "revealing dressed" dress in a
way to emphasize certain parts of the body and also when you are nude
there's no mystery. When you are nude the "tease effect" is absent.
At least that has been the nudist line.
Toga, Toga, Toga, from ancient Rome to college fraternities, they have
always been sexually charged.
Anna
It is the absence of the "tease effect" that makes it sexualized when
people are half naked even if they have seen the people fully naked
during the day. And those togas can hide a lot of "activity" that
full nudity can't.
It has always been the nudist line that that clothes that people wear
at textile beach (revealing swim suits etc) can make that environment
sexualized where in a totally nude environment the mystery is gone and
therefore it's not sexualized.
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that you see some amount of hypocrisy when a nudist place holds a toga
party, because you see a toga party as designed to give the participants a
reason to find themselves sexy. I have to pose the question, what exactly
is wrong with nudists who maintain a wholesome family, minimally sexual
atmosphere during the day, promoting a slightly risqu� entertainment event
after the kiddies are put to bed? Don't clothing compulsive people hire
babysitters so they can go to an R-rated movie or to a comedy club with
foul-mouth and vulgar comedians for a change? Don't adults get tired of
having to watch the Disney Channel every night with the kids? Sure they do.
No nudist resort needs to act as if the naked people were manufactured by
Mattel Toys; they need to recognize human behavior includes people wanting
adults night out, adult activity. What we do expect are parameters or rules
of engagement that need to be enforced. If we aging nudists want to see the
lifestyle continue, we have to attract younger generations, and young people
are horny people too. All they need to understand is the rules, and a
universal one has been to act as if your mother is watching you when out and
about, but when you get behind closed doors or tent flaps, enjoy yourselves
as you wish, but keep the noise down. You shouldn't be crying foul here.
Realistically, the majority of Toga party goers are not strangers but
regulars at all social events, who don't need a togas or other costumes
night to entice each other. Next you'll be complaining about nudist
Christians sponsoring a Halloween party.
Bill S in AZ
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> > Unfortunately here is another club hosting one.
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> >http://www.willamettans.com
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> > Mar 20 Toga Party
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> > These are sexualized events even in "clothed" environments. Imaging
> > what kind of event it can be in an half naked environment. And nudists
> > have always said that those who are 'revealing dressed" are sexual
> > whereas full nudity isn't because the "revealing dressed" dress in a
> > way to emphasize certain parts of the body and also when you are nude
> > there's no mystery. When you are nude the "tease effect" is absent.
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> > At least that has been the nudist line.
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> > Toga, Toga, Toga, from ancient Rome to college fraternities, they have
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but Bill....Christians who always wear clothes complain about
halloween that is ongoing...and so is any hint of sexual ongoing in
the nudist world....that is what Anna does she keeps reminding
everyone of complaints that some nudist have....that is what rec nude
does that no other ng even attempts....i mean we nudist can not live
by netnude only ...sure i would like to go to one of those glen eden
little girl nudist contest today and maybe a toga party with some good
wine but that is not reality in todays climate......regards....jz
Anna
> I think the basis for your concern really isn't the Toga Party, its more
> that you see some amount of hypocrisy when a nudist place holds a toga
> party, because you see a toga party as designed to give the participants a
> reason to find themselves sexy.
Well yeah, I am against any event at a nudist venue designed to give
the participants a recent to find themselves sexy. If they want to do
that they should find a non-nudist venue. And Toga parties even done
in textile situations are always sexy. That's its main appeal.
>I have to pose the question, what exactly
> is wrong with nudists who maintain a wholesome family, minimally sexual
> atmosphere during the day,
Minimally Sexual?
It needs to not be minimally sexual but non-sexual.
Are you implying here that during the day there is a minimally sexual
atmosphere at nudist venues. That goes against the nudist line.
> promoting a slightly risque entertainment event
> after the kiddies are put to bed?
It effects the mindset of the people there and it does attract the
wrong type of people.
>Don't clothing compulsive people hire
> babysitters so they can go to an R-rated movie or to a comedy club with
> foul-mouth and vulgar comedians for a change?
Nudists have to be BETTER than textiles for nudism to work.
> Don't adults get tired of
> having to watch the Disney Channel every night with the kids? Sure they do.
Then they should go somewhere else when they feel that way.
> No nudist resort needs to act as if the naked people were manufactured by
> Mattel Toys; they need to recognize human behavior includes people wanting
> adults night out, adult activity.
People wanting that should find different venues.
> What we do expect are parameters or rules
> of engagement that need to be enforced. If we aging nudists want to see the
> lifestyle continue, we have to attract younger generations, and young people
> are horny people too.
I disagree with that. If aging nudists want to see the lifestyle
continue then they need to attract their own generation. Okay perhaps
not exactly their own generation. Perhaps a generation below that
(which yeah technically would be a Younger generation) which will not
be the young generation.
I am not saying the young generation should be barred from attending a
nudist venue but nudist venues will always attract from older
generations and nudism will continue when generations get older and
then start participating. I read a TIME article from 1970 once and
one of the concerns they had back then was attracting a young
generation. But see, nudism has survived 40 years after that. So stop
worrying about the "young generation" and understand it will be the
older generation (each generation as they become older) that will make
the the nudist lifestyle continue.
>All they need to understand is the rules, and a
> universal one has been to act as if your mother is watching you when out and
> about,
I guess that depends on the morality of your mother but in the sense I
think you mean it I agree.
> but when you get behind closed doors or tent flaps, enjoy yourselves
> as you wish, but keep the noise down
Attracts the wrong crowd and the wrong mindset of the people at the
nudist venue.
> You shouldn't be crying foul here.
> Realistically, the majority of Toga party goers are not strangers but
> regulars at all social events
So what you are saying is sexing up the regulars is a good thing?
These are the people who attend the venue the most!
> who don't need a togas or other costumes
> night to entice each other. Next you'll be complaining about nudist
> Christians sponsoring a Halloween party.
> Bill S in AZ
Well I don't know about Nudist Christians but I do wonder about nudist
Halloween parties because obviously there they will be half dressed or
covered with body paint. I guess it all depends on how the costume is
designed but adornments do tend to sexify the body, So I would fear
that such an event with "loose/revealing" clothing would become
sexualized.
Anna
> On Jan 4, 10:54 am, "newsgroups" <123...@spam.net> wrote:
>
> > I think the basis for your concern really isn't the Toga Party, its more
> > that you see some amount of hypocrisy when a nudist place holds a toga
> > party, because you see a toga party as designed to give the participants a
> > reason to find themselves sexy.
>
> Well yeah, I am against any event at a nudist venue designed to give
> the participants a recent to find themselves sexy. If they want to do
> that they should find a non-nudist venue. And Toga parties even done
> in textile situations are always sexy. That's its main appeal.
Sorry for the typo. I meant to type:
I am against any event at a nudist venue designed to give the
participants a reason to find themselves sexy.
And Toga parties are famous exactly because they are sexualized
atmospheres where people wear minimal clothing.
And nudists have always said that minimal clothing are sexualized
whereas total nudity isn't.
Nudist venues need to remain nonsexualized at all times.
If one wants a sexualized experience there are plenty of other venues
to go to.
Anna
> Don't clothing compulsive people hire
> babysitters so they can go to an R-rated movie or to a comedy club with
> foul-mouth and vulgar comedians for a change?
Here is a better comparison. Do people do that with their church
prayer group?
Unless one belongs to a "sex positive" pagan church the answer is no.
Anna
Glen Eden is also having a TOGA PARTY.
http://www.gleneden.com/calendar.html
Saturday June 5th, 2010.
Actually that whole weekend they are calling a "Roman Holiday".
Why would textiles not think that nudism is sexualized when nudist
venues can't even make that separation?
Anna
Cheri Alexander
Travelites' toga party is not about scantilly clad people wearing
togas. It's a chance for those with reluctant partners to wear a full
covering. I have a length of cloth wrapped around me that is far from
sexy.
Cheri
www.travelites.info
Jeff Bloss
It can't be long before someone mentions latex! Mmmm.
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Anna
I typed that wrong. It is the presence of the "tease effect" that
Anna
I have heard of "leather and lace" parties at nudist venues.
Anna
http://www.nudist-resorts.org/talk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=147&whichpage=3
quote:Originally posted by Cinderela
USVERA have you tried the liquid latex yet? what's it like? I'd
really like to try that and make myself some comfortable clothes for
once. :)
*chuckle*
No Cinderela...
I have not tried it yet... but I really do hope to very soon as one of
our members found a place we can get it right here locally..! I will
let you know when I do and perhaps post a picture if you like..?
Bare Hugz... Vera, the Sun Devil
The Diablo Sun Devils... a nudist club primarily for the benefit of
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Dan Abel
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:20:37 GMT, Anna wrote:
> >> promoting a slightly risque entertainment event after the kiddies
> >> are put to bed?
> >
> > It effects the mindset of the people there and it does attract the
> > wrong type of people.
As long as it doesn't attract you, I'm happy.
> > Nudists have to be BETTER than textiles for nudism to work.
As I've been saying on here about you for several years, you are just
setting nudism up for failure. Nudists are just regular people who
enjoy social nudity. They are not, on average, any better or worse than
non-nudists. Once you try setting nudists up to be perfect, then their
blemishes will be obvious.
> > So what you are saying is sexing up
My problem with you is that you see sex in everything. Most people
aren't so obsessed with sex.
> > to sexify
More evidence of your obsession with sex. My dictionary has a *lot* of
words in it. That isn't one of them.
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Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Anna
>
> > > Nudists have to be BETTER than textiles for nudism to work.
>
> As I've been saying on here about you for several years, you are just
> setting nudism up for failure. Nudists are just regular people who
> enjoy social nudity. They are not, on average, any better or worse than
> non-nudists. Once you try setting nudists up to be perfect, then their
> blemishes will be obvious.
Then perhaps nudism doesn't work. Sure it seems so easy on paper. Just
take off your clothes and have a good time. We have all heard of
stories of simple skinny dipping that kids used to do and most of us
think yeah, it doesn't have to be sexual. People can be nude together
and accept the imperfect body. People can put sex aside for a little
while at least.
But can we? Sure I believe most of us can most of the time. Others
can all the time (like me). But few can't or won't most of the time.
To be a nudist you have to have the mindset of a child for the time
you are there oblivious to the sexual implications of nudity (or at
least pretend to be). You have to be nonjudgmental of others body
imperfections and see beyond the body to the people within. So in that
sense at least during the time you are there you need to be an angel
or everything just falls apart and becomes uncomfortable or even worst
lewd.
Look at all the clubs I have just listed that are on the path of
lewdness. If social nudity doesn't at least attract lewdness (which
can be resisted if people so desire) why all this lewdness from these
clubs? Now mind you I do believe that most nudists are just in nudism
for nonsexual reasons but the few who aren't sure ruin it. And in the
clubs I just mentioned these few seem to have hold of the event
planning and I guess the rest don't want to create controversy by
confronting them on what they are doing. Or perhaps the few have
driven the rest away and now are the majority. I don't know. It does
seem that evil is sure effective in infiltrating and subverting a
group. I have seen this not only with nudism but in the church and in
the Republican party as well. I have spend much time wondering why
this is so and I have a few ideas why this is the case.
Perhaps it is a case where the human element ruins something that
otherwise should be so simple. And perhaps nudity while in itself
isn't lewd attracts to it lewdness that one would have to fight very
hard to resist. In that case perhaps social nudity can only be
experienced in special circumstances by a small group of trusted
friends without ultimately becoming tarnished by lewdness.
Anna
> > > Nudists have to be BETTER than textiles for nudism to work.
>
> As I've been saying on here about you for several years, you are just
> setting nudism up for failure. Nudists are just regular people who
> enjoy social nudity. They are not, on average, any better or worse than
> non-nudists. Once you try setting nudists up to be perfect, then their
> blemishes will be obvious.
Perhaps HUMAN NATURE sets nudism up for failure.
Anna
Have you seen some of the costumes some parents dress their little
girls up in? And I mean little girls 7, 8 or even younger in their
cheerleader or Vampire costumes.
Some parents are just sickos.
James Dale Guckert
And thus doth He Who Calleth Himself "Anna" reveal His Truest of
Hearts, the full Extent to which He hateth Humanity!
JDG
Terry J. Wood
>> > enjoy social nudity. They are not, on average, any better or worse than
>> > non-nudists.
That's true. Nudist are just people. But they're people who aren't textile
addicted.
David Looser
>
> Toga, Toga, Toga, from ancient Rome to college fraternities, they have
> always been sexually charged.
In ancient Rome the toga was standard formal wear for the upper classes. It
was about as sexually charged as a suit and tie is today.
David.
Anna
ROME ITSELF was much more sexually charged than it even is today.
Orgies were common and the best orgies were put on by the upper
classes (because they have the most resources).
The "Roman Spirit" was preserved by the college fraternities. They
might not exactly have been orgies but the idea of wearing just a bed
sheet added to the already sexually charged atmosphere there.
So, the concept of the "Toga Party" has always had a sexuality charged
vibe to them. That is true in textile situations and I am sure that is
true in half naked situations as well.
Toga, Toga, Toga! A call to the WILD!
Anna
By the way I find it interesting that you have yet to respond to my
post regarding sexual classes at Sunsport Gardens and Lingerie shows
at Lupin Lodge.
Just stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening, huh?
Anna
They need to be better than the average textile in how they treat
other people.
Anna
classes (because they had the most resource).
At least that is the common perception of Romans today. When they
were not feeding people to the lions they were eating grapes,
drinking, and fooling around.
Check out this video
Anna
Check out this video.
http://www.tu.tv/videos/history-channel-the-history-of-sex-a_1
Anna
Sorry that link doesn't seem to be working but here are some others
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5096181182806787870#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2458522029318930763#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWaCx2H6hZg
The Ancient Romans were a bunch of perverts!
Zee
Anna
Festival called "Ancient Roman Sex".
Romans are remembered for sexual things but certainly Wild Sex is one
of the things Romans are remembered for.
And that carries on to the Toga Parties as any College Student can
tell you. They are very sexualized affairs that further sexualizes an
already sexual environment.
http://www.sunsportgardens.com/festivals/index.html
Friday, February 12, 9 AM Ancient Roman Sex & Fun - Kira Fleishman
Unbelievably weird, wacky and true things lovers do for courting,
romance and marriage that you can do too.
Neosapienis
I've just got back from ConFest 2009/10, so I thought that I'd have my
say on this matter. Whilst ConFest is not billed as a nudist or
naturist event as such, it attracts a helluva lot more people to it
than traditional nudist cubs and resorts do.
This is because they have a 'live and let live' approach to nudity,
and as long as nobody is getting hurt or sexually abused they allow
it. Even the organisers themselves are often nude when checking the
tickets out at the front gate.
At Confest they've had Tantra meditation workshops, Polyamory
discussion groups, some punters dancing around in lingerie and a few
wearing fetish clothing, as well as sensual massage workshops.
Yet there are rarely to never any instances whereby punters have had
to get chucked out over disorderly conduct. Usually one word of
warning at the "information tent" returns any misbehaving types to
order.
It seems to me that the likes of the Confest folk and even Peter Riden
understand the 'freedom' aspect of naturism more than the folks who
run traditional nudist camps and tearing their hair out as to how they
can attract more people, especially the younger crowd that they keep
hankering after.
Kids are also welcome at Confest, and they have a special space of
their own where they are kept entertained with their own games, and
entertainment like magic shows, fire juggling, card games etc. Even
though the atmosphere of Confest is eccentric in itself, I have never
seen any unsavory behaviour going on between the adults and the kids.
The likes of Sunsport Gardens, Caliente, The Grand Barn, and Down to
Earth Society (the organisation that puts on ConFest) are all
businesses like any other business. One of the major rules of
business is that you've got to be flexible and learn to change with
the times. You can't run it the same way you did back in the 1950's -
the social, cultural and economic climate is different now.
I think one of the reasons why many people don't find traditional
nudism appealing is because it is fixated solely on the 'hey I'm
naked, why aren't you?' aspect and ignores the bigger picture that
goes with social nudity. People in our textile cultures like to go
naked as a means of having fun and socialising with others. Lazing
about doing nothing is not fun or enriching for most people,
especially young people.
So if a nudist place wants to spread its wings and try some new things
like having toga parties and generate more income to attract more
patrons, then that is its business.
Anna
> Hi,
>
> I've just got back from ConFest 2009/10, so I thought that I'd have my
> say on this matter. Whilst ConFest is not billed as a nudist or
> naturist event as such, it attracts a helluva lot more people to it
> than traditional nudist cubs and resorts do.
But as you say, ConFest just like Burning Man ARE NOT nudist/naturist
events.
> This is because they have a 'live and let live' approach to nudity,
> and as long as nobody is getting hurt or sexually abused they allow
> it. Even the organisers themselves are often nude when checking the
> tickets out at the front gate.
But wouldn't this whole "live and let live' approach (not to nudity
but everything) lend itself to people taking advantage of it to
sexually abuse?
> At Confest they've had Tantra meditation workshops, Polyamory
> discussion groups, some punters dancing around in lingerie and a few
> wearing fetish clothing, as well as sensual massage workshops.
So, again, it's not a nudist/naturist event and therefore it is good
that it doesn't bill itself as such.
> Yet there are rarely to never any instances whereby punters have had
> to get chucked out over disorderly conduct. Usually one word of
> warning at the "information tent" returns any misbehaving types to
> order.
But by that statement you admit that there are "misbehaving types" who
misbehave at this event.
> It seems to me that the likes of the Confest folk and even Peter Riden
> understand the 'freedom' aspect of naturism more than the folks who...
But again, you have stated and Confest makes it clear that IT'S NOT A
NATURIST EVENT.
> run traditional nudist camps and tearing their hair out as to how they
> can attract more people, especially the younger crowd that they keep
> hankering after.
I wish they would stop worrying about "the younger crowd". The same
concern was expressed in the 1970s in a TIME article yet nudism is
still here today. People will get involved with nudism, but for most
it will be something they do at a later point in their lives. For
various reasons.
> Kids are also welcome at Confest, and they have a special space of
> their own where they are kept entertained with their own games, and
> entertainment like magic shows, fire juggling, card games etc. Even
Well I believe it is wrong both for Confest as well as Burning Man to
allow children. Although they have special space you can't totally
separate them from the over all adult atmosphere of the event.
> though the atmosphere of Confest is eccentric in itself, I have never
> seen any unsavory behaviour going on between the adults and the kids.
Just because you haven't seen it that doesn't mean it doesn't go on.
> The likes of Sunsport Gardens, Caliente, The Grand Barn, and Down to
> Earth Society (the organisation that puts on ConFest) are all
> businesses like any other business. One of the major rules of
> business is that you've got to be flexible and learn to change with
> the times.
Nudism/Naturism should be more that "just a business". Look if
Sunsport Gardens want to have such events then fine just don't call
the event a "naturist festival" and don't associate itself with nudist/
naturist organizations.
> You can't run it the same way you did back in the 1950's -
> the social, cultural and economic climate is different now.
Well then perhaps we should declare an end to "family friendly" nudism
(if that ever did indeed exist) and not allow the under 18 crowd into
nudist/naturist venues.
> I think one of the reasons why many people don't find traditional
> nudism appealing is because it is fixated solely on the 'hey I'm
> naked, why aren't you?' aspect ..
If these people don't find nudism appealing then they shouldn't be
nudists. They can go elsewhere for their sexualized social nudity
experience. But they shouldn't ruin it for those who DO enjoy nudism/
naturism.
>and ignores the bigger picture that
> goes with social nudity.
They don't ignore it. They overcome it.
> People in our textile cultures like to go
> naked as a means of having fun and socialising with others.
You can have fun socializing with others in a nonsexualized atmosphere
(well maybe YOU can't).
> Lazing
> about doing nothing is not fun or enriching for most people,
> especially young people.
Well then those young people can get involved with nudism/naturism
later in life (if they want to at all). And no one has ever said that
there shouldn't be activities and events at nudist venues. They just
need to be nonsexualized activities and events.
> So if a nudist place wants to spread its wings and try some new things
> like having toga parties and generate more income to attract more
> patrons, then that is its business.
As long as that place doesn't call itself nudist or naturist or nudist
then it can have any sexualized event between consenting adults or for
that matter animals that they want. But no kids on the property place.
Obviously you aren't a nudist or naturist. That's fine. If sexualized
social nudity appeals to you go to venues that cater to that. Just
don't ruin it for those who want a nonsexualized social nudity
experience.
Terry J. Wood
news:7qh5oh...@mid.individual.net:
> In ancient Rome the toga was standard formal wear for the upper classes.
> It was about as sexually charged as a suit and tie is today.
Togas were only sexy when John Belushi wore them.