Obama ends American Nudism
Bill S
nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle? Unless you
live in a nudist community, you have membership and you visit your favorite
naked place as much as you can. You have expenses related to your nudist
activity that come from your discretionary funds, the money Obama will look
to remove from your wallet to put in someone else's wallet, though higher
taxes. His concept is something like, "how can you have two homes when the
family under the bridge doesn't have one at all?" How can you have a large
RV when there are homeless? How can you spend the weekend at your nudist
condo or time share when others don't have a place to live? Obama will tax
your excess and spread the wealth around. Your days of floating the weekend
away in the naked pool might be over because under Obama's plan you won't
have the money for such a lavish indulgence anymore.
Then what becomes of our favorite naked places? Sun Swallows in El CaJon,
CA decided to sell the place to non-nudists who were looking to convert the
place to a mobile home park. They got an offer they couldn't refuse?
People there were furious and got a lawyer. Sun Swallows installed and sold
numerours Park model homes with attached decks and hot tubs just a year
before selling the entire place. Apparently, economics and their finiancial
future weighed in more than their nudist beliefs. What if this situation
comes up at your favorite naked place because under Obama, nudists can no
longer afford to visit their club and the club owners sell to non-nudists?
Places like Cypress Cove no longer nude? Is that possible? I'm no lawyer
and I don't know the first thing about property deeds, but I believe the
deed has to denote the nudists use to protect owners against a sell out.
Most places might let you rent the space and build upon it like they do at
DeAnza Springs Resort in California, but if Dave and Helen decided to sell
the resort and move to Mira Vista in Tucson, AZ there would be no legal
fight to remain a nudist resort unless the new owners kept it that way.
Obama's economic plan and his ideas of socialism could be the end of
American nudism simply because the clubs and resorts could not stay afloat
with decreasing memberships and higher taxes.
Nudists need to think long and hard about backing this guy. Unlike Europe,
we don't have alternative places like lakes and beaches, or neighborhood FKK
swimming pools, or even the option to go nude at home in our own yards. The
free enterprise capitalist system we've enjoyed has given us the wealth to
spend to support our clubs and our lifestyle. Obama will put and end to
this, for along time. We're not Europe, we don't need their socialism, if
works for them because they've cultivated it through generations of struggle
but America can't embrace it as if its a new fad or style.
Vote for John McCain. Go back to work and make profits. Spend money at
naked places so they can make profits too, and grow the businesses we depend
on.
Bill S in AZ
Zee
Bill...surely the majority agrees with you on this.....it is plain to
see that a free market economy does tend to accomodate workers rather
than loafers and misfits....can american cities look like paris
france....where downtown is for the elite and well heeled and the
suburbs are trashed and the poor live there....that is his
dream.....that way no one has to move.....jz
cyndiann
> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how
> many nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
> Unless you live in a nudist community, you have membership and you visit
> your favorite naked place as much as you can. You have expenses related
> to your nudist activity that come from your discretionary funds, the
> money Obama will look to remove from your wallet to put in someone
> else's wallet, though higher taxes.
I don't make more than $250,000 a year so I'm not gonna be taxed more.
There really aren't many nudists who do make that much, not that I know of.
> Obama's economic plan and his ideas of socialism could be the end of
> American nudism simply because the clubs and resorts could not stay
> afloat with decreasing memberships and higher taxes.
I hate to give you a reality check but the clubs are already in trouble
with the economy trashed so badly by our present president. The clubs
here in Land O Lakes are fighting over members as it is. Since McSame
voted 90% of the time with Bush I don't see how sticking with what isn't
working will help.
I guess if you actually knew what Obama's plan really is you'd never
have posted something so silly.
cyndiann
http://www.mynudelife.com
sportbug
Obama, especially with his raising taxes could very well bankrupt all
nudist resorts....groannnnn
Zee
bahwahaha......hey Bill ...we got a bite and she nibbled real
good....so now we can tell it like it is and cyndiann can be reeled in
real nice and slowly to demonstrate the typical uninformed democrat
voter....they live in a small world where some of them live a
survival existence....trailer house ...payments....pay it off.....ss
check....older car and are in the 24 percent that are said to not have
any payments other than utilities...some have an atm card and a lot
them have had a visa or mc but maxed it out over the years ...lost it
and said to hell with it.....there is varying degrees of these non
debt folks but most do not understand the world of finance and
financial regulation.....cyndiann once thought paradise lakes and
other clubs to be a bunch of million aires but in reality they were
slick con artist that was taking advantage of the easy credit ....that
florida is so famous for.....and so it is like truckers that have a
couple of thousand dollars left after a divorce...and they pay down on
a new truck that cost over a hundred thousand dollars and hit the
road...if they can keep it moving with a decent lease and start at 40
years of age.....they can make about 500 dollar paycheck each week
after all the expenses....according to how many whore and beers they
consumed and pot they smoked....by 65 their weight has increased and
broken down their health and they have nothing but an old worn out
truck left and not even enough to do anything but buy an old trailer
house and live like a hermit and soon they die....the name of this
capitalistic game has been to keep the slave working until 65 and
hopefully his health will guarantee that he will not collect many SS
check.....so with moderate attendance at these nudist camps and after
the sales has been complete of their development and then they have
pissed off those profits....and a downturn happens like this one and
clientele dont have the money.....their cash is depleted and no credit
is available and like its all over.....and they need react fast to
keep from losing their asses and all their fixtures....foreclosure is
a no no....hopefully they can sell to a textile that can manage an
elite upscale private village but .....shucks they look around and
those things are at every one mile intersection....and those guys have
done the same thing and they are wondering if can sell to a
nudist....he he.......a vicuous circle has been completed....and of
course it is not politcally or financially practical to mention these
wild assed fools as they are the ones that watch commercials on
tv....and they are the voters for politicians....the only ones that
can talk about their stupid behavior are guys like you and i on the
internet....we are not running for nothing and dont own a tv
station....and cyndiann blames it all on g Bush because obama said it
was his fault.. .....no president in our past has ever been
responsible for bad things as jimmy carter and his high interest rates
but ,my ,mom did well with investment money in those years and she was
considered poor....congress is the ones that handle the money ....all
the president can do is veto or sign...to veto is to not spend the
money and to sign is to spend the congressional expenditures....but
cyndiann has not learned all that yet and neither has the rest of the
democrat voters learned it....hillary or obama or willy told them that
it was g bushes fault or jessie jackson and they took it like red meat
and ran with it.....so you and i can observe this strange idiot human
behavior...until later.i think a lot of the wealth we have heard of
over the years has just been on paper....of course i still think bill
gates is no phony....but buffet i am not sure yet....so if this is
true then it wont take long for the usa to go from riches to
rags....if we are to rebuild downtown america east of the mississippi
and then bail out ca tx fla and almost all the states and now the
public school system cant gas up the school buses and they are scared
to ask the homeowners for more money....and the construction sites
along the freeways have parked equipment and no one around....because
they have no money to pay the workers.....so as you can see the end
will come fast...if obama is elected.......regards....jz
Stuffed Tiger
>... You have expenses related to your nudist
>activity that come from your discretionary funds,
Higher interest payments on Bush-McSame's humongous national debt, the
enormous amount of funds diverted to destruction in Iraq; policies
that reward businesses for pushing valued American jobs overseas;
complete inattention to infrastructure, preparedness and management as
seen in failures from 9/11 to Katrina to wild fluctuations in fuel
prices to bridges caving in to the re-polluting of our environment;
total abdication of leadership in managing the financial markets,
mortgage markets and derivatives markets; fewer jobs; people tossed
out of their homes; the loss of a third of personal wealth; failure to
lead as America and the World slide into recession; disconnection as
millions of lost jobs seriously impact the consumer market; all this
and more have buried American consumer confidence.
Discretionary funds? Have you gone insane? Where do you live?
Americans have seen their portfolios vanish, funds that they need for
college, retirement, and maintenance. Even money market funds have
broken the buck. Property values have dropped like stones from a
bridge into water and will not soon surface. How can you borrow
against such property? A third of our wealth has simply vanished.
The travel industry has been hit and hit hard. The only reason
traditional nudist venues have survived is because they are a low cost
option. Nevertheless, things like fuel costs have driven prices
higher, and because nudist venues are fewer, they are further to drive
to and more sensitive to fuel prices.
Sixty percent of US oil is now imported. Failure to conserve has led
to the USA being reduced to 2% of the remaining World's oil reserves,
counting ALL the known and projected reserves in the US. The USA uses
25% of the oil pumped each year. Sure, we need to keep drilling, but
there is no point in drilling faster. We cannot drill ourselves out of
this mess, and the whole World knows it. They know we cannot continue
on the Bush-McSame path and survive. They are backing away.
I don't know if Obama can restore confidence. What I do know is that
too many people around entire World see the failed policies of
Bush-McSame as a disaster going forward. It is not Obama but rather
individual Americans who can change this. All Obama can do is not be
Bush. If Americans decide to create these new directions, we will get
plenty of help from the rest of the World, and we will succeed. Obama
can take the credit. I don't care.
Zee
got another one on your line Bill....he says falling home prices and
now you cant borrow any money on them.....see he does not understand
that the average joe sixpac should have his credit suspended for the
rest of his life..and that these guys are reponsible for this
downturn..and he has been told by obama that we can not drill our way
to energy dependence....what a crock....they say the montana reserve
has enough coal shell oil to make us self sufficent....and of course
the east and west coast would make us self suffient...and of course
there is more in alaska...does democrats ever ask why....no they do
not want to know the truth.....and it could happen within five years
if we started today......and so they say Bush spent it on the
war.....would any president not spent the same amount on the
war....old willy spent the same amount...and the next one will spend
even more and nothing will change there...mr mcain saved the american
taxpayer 8 billion on a boeing overcharge and fraud....how many did
the other 99 senators save and 433 congressman and 100 thousand
journalist that talk bad about mccain save us......see they are
ignorant lying idiots repeating the hate speech directed at bush and
mccain......regards....jz
Neosapienis
It's time to get away from greed and capitalism and put the needs of the
people before profiteering.
"Bill S" <whs...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Zee
wrote:
> I think what America needs is a nudist socialist government.
>
> It's time to get away from greed and capitalism and put the needs of the
> people before profiteering.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
hi Dario.....well socialism requires a lot of money in the
begining...it has really put a strain on canada and the uk.with
socialist health care...and as john mccain has discovered 8 billion of
fraud in one defense contractor...look what could have been saved if
all of the congressmen had went to all the defense contractors and
found all the overcharges and fraud.....maybe totalling 4 or 500
billion then we would have had that money in the bank to pay for this
new surge that is needed in the monetary system.......and so about the
last thing you can do when joe sixpac has caused the country to
bankrupt and and wars have to be paid for...it comes time that a bunch
of folks are going to have to go under the bridge and there will have
to be some pain....cuba and n korea is starving and s korea now will
help feed those starving n koreans as they are about 2 to 3 inches
shorter and malnurished.....so capitalism got us in to this mess and
capitalism will have to get us out of it and there will be pain and
alot of folks will have to become more disciplined when they go to
walmart also....and starvation in a lot of these amercan families will
translate into a good diet system to improve health making that less
of a burden on the government....and so containing the terrorist war
and with a lot of patriotic citizens which will help..then when we all
become disciplined to a freugal lifestyle with a bunch of money in the
bank and no debts then we can talk about socialism.......regards....jz.
Ck
wrote:
>
> It's time to get away from greed and capitalism and put the needs of the
> people before profiteering.
>
Dario, I think your notion apply's to all governments in all places
and has for all of time. Show everyone how your notion is put into
practice by starting with your own Government. If you are going to
talk the talk you are also going to have to walk the walk. Let us know
how it goes.
Bill S. ... there are Republicans, Democrats, Independants, Socialists
and Athiests alike in naturism here in the good ole' U.S. already ...
but, the U.S. economy has tanked under just one of them, the
Republicans. That's the party you are soapboxing for here ...
right??
But for the resorts, and the neighborhood YOU choose to reside in,
naturism is primarily free. [no pun intended].
As for the rest of this thread [so far] ... if someone really wants
to participate in naturism they can and easily will find a way at a
level of cost that they can afford.
cyndiann's post above makes complete sense.
I further doubt that rec.nude will in anyway satisfactorily answer the
debate respecting Religion and Politics as it may somehow relate to
naturism. McSame and/or Obama bashing here is patently moronic. Vote
for who you want ... then go home and enjoy naturism which will not be
affected one way or the other.
Naturism is anything BUT dead or dying. A new President will not
likely change that.
Michael T.
www.Fairwindlakes.com
James Dale Guckert
"Bill S" <whs...@cox.net> wrote:
> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how many
> nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
Wacky, wacky, wacky.
How many banks do I own now?
--
James Guckert / Jeff Gannon / Whore for Bush
Terry J. Wood
> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how
> many nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
Since I don't make more than $250,000 per year, I can't say. But I know
this: if we allow the current adminstration to continue their "Tax THE
MIDDLE CLASS and Spend" ways, soon all textiles will be wearing this to
football games:
http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/0905barrel.jpg
Perhaps those middle class textiles will decide it's just not worth is and
start going nude.
If that were to happen then nudists would be in the majority and soon we'd
see the emergence of a new nudesgroup: rec.textiles, where people would
discuss the best places to go swimming in suits (without getting arrested).
Terry J. Wood
news:k6OdnSPsCse7DmfV...@earthlink.com:
> Since McSame
> voted 90% of the time with Bush I don't see how sticking with what isn't
> working will help.
Did you know that his name ISN'T really McSame? Yeah, it's true! It's
something altogether different. This video explains how he got that
nickname:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN10_6pyshQ
BTW, I found this video for people who don't vote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3_w9bJb1-E
It's a good one!
Terry J. Wood
This link was e-mailed to me. It said it addressed to judgement and
character in one of our Presidential candidates:
http://www.jonesreport.com/article/10_08/10mccain_eugenicist.html
Jenny6833A
> There really aren't many nudists who do make that much, not that I know of.
You ought to get out more.
:-)
Jenny
Jenny6833A
> ... the loss of a third of personal wealth
Two-thirds of which was phony.
> Americans have seen their portfolios vanish, funds that they need for
> college, retirement, and maintenance.
Portfolios that weren't really as valuable as the statements
indicated.
> Even money market funds have broken the buck.
Just one that I know of.
> Property values have dropped like stones from a
> bridge into water and will not soon surface.
Phony property values.
> A third of our wealth has simply vanished.
A third of our phony paper wealth.
> The travel industry has been hit and hit hard.
That will force AANR bankrupt. All they do is peddle expensive
travel.
> The only reason
> traditional nudist venues have survived is because they are a low cost
> option.
There aren't many 'traditional' nudist places now.
> Nevertheless, things like fuel costs have driven prices
> higher, and because nudist venues are fewer, they are further to drive
> to and more sensitive to fuel prices.
Fuel prices are, and have been, going down.
> Sixty percent of US oil is now imported. Failure to conserve has led
> to the USA being reduced to 2% of the remaining World's oil reserves,
> counting ALL the known and projected reserves in the US. The USA uses
> 25% of the oil pumped each year. Sure, we need to keep drilling, but
> there is no point in drilling faster. We cannot drill ourselves out of
> this mess, and the whole World knows it. They know we cannot continue
> on the Bush-McSame path and survive. They are backing away.
We could copy France!
> It is not Obama but rather individual Americans who can change this.
Yeah, but will they?
:-)
Jenny
Jenny6833A
wrote:
> I think what America needs is a nudist socialist government.
Nudist would be fine. Socialist would be a disaster. Socialism
doesn't work.
> It's time to get away from greed and capitalism ...
Capitalism doesn't work either.
> ... and put the needs of the people before profiteering.
Where does the money come from?
:-)
Jenny
Jenny6833A
> Bill S. ... there are Republicans, Democrats, Independants, Socialists
> and Athiests alike in naturism here in the good ole' U.S. already ...
What does #5 have to do with the first four?
> But for the resorts, and the neighborhood YOU choose to reside in,
> naturism is primarily free. [no pun intended].
>
> As for the rest of this thread [so far] ... �if someone really wants
> to participate in naturism they can and easily will find a way at a
> level of cost that they can afford.
You just redeemed yourself.
> cyndiann's post above makes complete sense.
They usually do.
> Naturism is anything BUT dead or dying. A new President will not
> likely change that.
Perhaps, but one of the choices is far more likely to so so than the
other.
:-)
Jenny
Jenny6833A
> Since I don't make more than $250,000 per year ...
Poor you!
> If that were to happen then nudists would be in the majority and soon we'd
> see the emergence of a new nudesgroup: rec.textiles, where people would
> discuss the best places to go swimming in suits (without getting arrested).
Do you really think a nudist majority would be as rotten as the
textile majority has been? Do you really think a nudist majority
would outlaw clothes>
In North America?
:-)
Jenny
Terry J. Wood
news:7685daa9-e0da-44a3...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>> There really aren't many nudists who do make that much, not that I
>> know of.
> You ought to get out more.
Where do the $RICH$ nudists hang out?
Terry J. Wood
cfb8b0...@17g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
>> I think what America needs is a nudist socialist government.
>
> Nudist would be fine. Socialist would be a disaster. Socialism
> doesn't work.
It seems to work for the rich. They're getting a bail out.
Terry J. Wood
b7350b...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> Do you really think a nudist majority would be as rotten as the
> textile majority has been? Do you really think a nudist majority
> would outlaw clothes
Of course we would. We'd make them illegal and anyone caught wearing
clothes would be labeled a sex offender.
Oh sure, they could wear clothes in the privacy of their own home. Maybe.
If we happened to see them wearing a suit in their outdoor hot tub, we
probably would call the police and complain that we're offended.
They could start special "colonies" where the perverts could wear clothes
in public. We'd fly over in planes and take pictures of them and then call
the police to say we were offended. They'd say it wasn't sexual, be we all
KNOW what really goes on there.
We could find a guy to post as "Dana" about them on USENET. Someone named
"Ricky Taft" could start a web page.
Dan Abel
Just look for the expensive clothing?
:-)
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
cyndiann
> On Oct 19, 7:27�am, Ck <mthompso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> cyndiann's post above makes complete sense.
>
> They usually do.
Thanks!
cyndiann
Terry J. Wood
68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:
>> Where do the $RICH$ nudists hang out?
> Just look for the expensive clothing?
Maybe the expensive tattoos? Implants?
Bill S
there, I saw all too well how socialism, the kind Obama wants for the USA
leads to elitism at every level.
As you note, European-style socialism sets class envy everywhere, but casual
observers think their system is great because they hear about TV ads that
have exposed female breasts in them, and that France and Spain have nude
beaches.
People need to get smart and stop embarrassing themselves with the "under
George Bush" default complaint. Congress controls the flow of tax money,
not the president. The president can veto a spending bill but congress can
over-ride a veto, so many times a bad bill is just signed because part of it
is necessary. If the president is at fault, its because We the People
refuse to give the president LINE ITEM VETO power!
Have a great week!
Bill S in AZ
"Zee" <jon...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Anna
I am no fan of McCain but Obama practically believes in infanticide.
It is too bad that Palin isn't at the top of the ticket instead of the
bottom.
Anna
> cyndiann <cyndi...@nospamearthlink.net> wrote innews:k6OdnSPsCse7DmfV...@earthlink.com:
>
> > Since McSame
> > voted 90% of the time with Bush I don't see how sticking with what isn't
> > working will help.
>
> Did you know that his name ISN'T really McSame? Yeah, it's true! It's
> something altogether different.
I call him Juan McCain for his sponsoring of the shamisty bill.
Anna
>
> I don't make more than $250,000 a year so I'm not gonna be taxed more.
So I guess it is a myth that nudists come from all areas of American
life.
Anna
> voted 90% of the time with Bush I don't see how sticking with what isn't
> working will help.
Bush doesn't vote.
Now I guess you mean the bills that Bush signs into law but the truth
is that despite the rhetoric most bills are of a nature that they have
bipartisan support (they are of a non-controversial nature), and if
you look at most Democratic legislators you would be surprised at the
percentage of time even they "voted with Bush".
That isn't to defend Juan McCain. I am voting Third Party this year.
I actually think that Obama would be best for America because sooner
or later the way things are going we are going to have a lefty like
him in office anyway so the sooner the better and I am hoping that a
backlash against him will get a good president elected next time
around.
Zee
not so Cheri always says there are many doctors and lawyers and
judges and politicians that are exposing their crotches to
kids ....richard is really just a no body.....jz
Bill S
will stick to what he does say after he swears in with his hand on the
Koran.
Yes, the clubs are facing financial difficulty, and the managers are
loosening up membership standards. Proof here is what happened at Caliente
Resort. My affiliated club DeAnza Springs has had a remarkable increase in
the number of RVs and Park models up for sale this past year. Long-time
permanent residents are bailing out, so it is a sizeable concern. No club
will survive with higher taxes, and that is what historically we can expect
from a liberal government run by Obama.
McCain never voted with Bush, because Bush never voted with McCain. I'll
split that hair every time. Let's be honest here, Bush signed any bill into
law when his party told him to. Who in the Senate and House of
Representatives voting for the bill is far more significant, so tell me
where McCain voted yes along with a list of all the democrats who voted yes,
too. For the last two years, the Senate and the House have been controlled
by democrats. How many times has Bush vetoed a bill and how many times did
the democratic congress override his veto? Your statistic means nothing,
but remember Obama voted "present" over 130 times while in the Illinois
government. Apparently, he could not stand on either side of an issue. He
can't do that as a president when an executive decision has to be made. He
can't do like Bill Clinton did, wait for the pollsters to report what the
people think or what Europe's leaders think, or what the United Nations
think before making a decision.
I'll be the first to say Bush made some bad judgment calls. The one I
dislike the most is the creation of Homeland Security and the TSA Nazis at
every airport, and the harassing border stops along our southern
interstates. He should have canned Rumsfeld long before he did, and his
nomination of Harriet Meyers to the US Supreme court still has me shaking my
head saying WTF? John McCain's reputation and substantial achievement
independent of Bush and other administrations, give him the right to be
delinked to George Bush. Why is it we're supposed to delink Obama from all
his questionable associations with people like Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Tony
Rezko, Saul Alinsky, David Axlerod, and Ralia Odinga but we're supposed to
see Bush and McCain as conjoined at the hip? If John McCain is supposed to
be just four more years of Bush, can't we logically assume Barak Hussein
Obama will be for years of the influence these mentioned characters from his
past gave him?
Bill S in AZ
"cyndiann" <cynd...@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Bill S wrote:
>> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how
>> many nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
>> Unless you live in a nudist community, you have membership and you visit
>> your favorite naked place as much as you can. You have expenses related
>> to your nudist activity that come from your discretionary funds, the
>> money Obama will look to remove from your wallet to put in someone else's
>> wallet, though higher taxes.
>
> I don't make more than $250,000 a year so I'm not gonna be taxed more.
> There really aren't many nudists who do make that much, not that I know
> of.
>
>
>> Obama's economic plan and his ideas of socialism could be the end of
>> American nudism simply because the clubs and resorts could not stay
>> afloat with decreasing memberships and higher taxes.
>
> I hate to give you a reality check but the clubs are already in trouble
> with the economy trashed so badly by our present president. The clubs here
> in Land O Lakes are fighting over members as it is. Since McSame voted 90%
> of the time with Bush I don't see how sticking with what isn't working
> will help.
>
> I guess if you actually knew what Obama's plan really is you'd never have
> posted something so silly.
>
> cyndiann
> http://www.mynudelife.com
Anna
> total abdication of leadership in managing the financial markets,
> mortgage markets and derivatives markets;
I hate Bush and Juan McCain more than you can imagine but this is
mostly the fault of the Democrats.
The whole thing started under Carter and Clinton made the problem even
worse.
Juan McCain, to his credit tried to propose legislation in 2006
because he was concerned that what happened with the sub-prime loans
would happen. He warned of such a possibility. But the Democrats
countered with calling any legislation to fix the problems with sub-
prime loans as racist and as hurting minorities who would be unable to
receive such loans.
Bush has been responsible for lots of bad stuff but the sub-prime mess
is mostly because of the Democrats.
Anna
> too many people around entire World see the failed policies of
> Bush as a disaster going forward.
Well surely Americans don't care about what foreigners think. They
hardly have the best interests of America in mind. You wouldn't expect
them to.
And to say that Juan McCain is just like Bush, well if that is true
than Obamasame is just like Bush too as he also voted for the bailout.
Obama was against the war but Juan McCain has also in the past
criticized aspects of how the war was being fought.
Oh well, Obama will win, America will suffer greatly, but hopefully
out of this America will arise like the Phoenix and Liberalism/
Socialism will be so tarnished for the next 30 years or more and
America will turn back to the right direction and will fight the evils
of the Left. It happened with Carter.
And saying McCain is just like Bush isn't totally wrong but it is
wrong in the sense that most of the people who say it means. Both Bush
and McCain (as well as Clinton before them) are leading us down to
path to socialism. With Bush and McCain it isn't as noticeable as
with say a Clinton or an Obama (although that bailout was pretty
noticeable) but that is what makes them all the more dangerous.
Anna
> Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote innews:dabel-153FE9.20174919102008@c-61-
> 68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:
>
> >> Where do the $RICH$ nudists hang out?
> > Just look for the expensive clothing?
>
> Maybe the expensive tattoos? Implants?
I would think the cars they drive would be the best indication.
Anna
>
> people before profiteering.
Socialism is evil. It saps the human spirit turning people into
nothing more than slaves for the State.
"The American people will never knowingly
adopt Socialism. But under the name of
'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of
the Socialist program, until one day
America will be a Socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened."
----Norman Thomas - Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in every
election from 1928 to 1948.
Zee
i bet you are a high roller when gambling.....well we can always know
that if obama causes the country to be destroyed by socialism and
terrorism.....then we can expect you to say i bet the farm and voted
for a third party and took the chance that it would not happen.....i
sense a great personal unexplained reason for your hatred of bush and
mccain...and i recognize cyndiann is not up to sufficient
understanding of the system to even have the right to vote....but in
your case it has to be personal.....jz
Anna
>Obama ends American Nudism -- Bush PROMOTES nudism in America?????"
Don't Judge Conservatism or Capitalism for that matter by George Bush.
Capitalism PROMOTES nudism because it allows for private property
where people can do whatever they want (within reason of course such
as you can't kill people on your property or make illegal drugs,etc).
With Socialism nudism is at the whim of the masses. Great if you live
in a society where nudity is tolerated (like somewhat but not to the
extent we Americans think it is in Europe). But in a society like
America not great as the masses would not want to provide nude
opportunities. They can even use the excuse that since the property is
common and most people aren't nudist then common practices should be
the only ones allowed.
Anna
Say Juan McCain gets elected. It isn't going to happen but just for a
moment say it did.
Well there is another election in Four Years. There's another election
in 2012.
Now like I said those who say that Juan McCain is just like Bush is
correct but not in the sense they mean. They might as well say that
Juan McCain is the same as Clinton.
Juan McCain will enact socialist policies. Maybe not to the extent
that Obama will but all the same as was shown with Bush and the
Bailout it isn't only Democrats who enact socialist policies. These
liberal socialist policies will fail and who will be blamed? Well the
Republicans and ironically and with the uninformed it will work,
conservatism (even though in reality the policies will be liberal you
know how the press spins things). Juan McCain will lose in 2012 and
when he does someone as extreme as Obama or even more so or perhaps
Obama will run again, that person will be elected.
So we are only putting things off four years.
And during that four years Juan McCain will totally ruin the
Republican party even worse than Bush already has. And I really don't
believe time is on our side. So if it is going to happen anyway I
rather it happens sooner where we are in a stronger position to fight
it.
Anna
I don't think a third party will win but perhaps it will send a
message and regardless I can't bring myself to vote for either Obama
or McCain. And it really doesn't matter since in Oregon Obama is
surely going to win. It isn't one of those "battleground states".
Bill S
Under Obama's socialism, you and I have "discretionary funds" and other
assets we don't need. Here's an real life illustration from where I live;
A few years ago, our county supervisor supported a property tax increase to
support a burn center at the county hospital. She said the average
homeowner of a $150,000.00 property would pay an extra $30 per year to cover
the costs. She went on to say, that was the equivalent of going to a AZ
Diamondbacks baseball game, so why not give up one game to support this burn
center? These politicians need our money for their projects, they see where
we don't need our money then work to take it away from us. That's why we're
taxed, but then have to fill out all these forms to explain why we're
entitled to deductions. We have to explain to the government why we should
be allowed to keep our own money, and if we lie, we go to jail!
Congress generates spending bills, not the president so congress is
responsible for the national debt. If the president vetoes a spending bill,
Like Bush just did, congress can over ride it, if they want to. The
president signs bills he agrees with or can live with, but congress decided
what was in the spending bill.
The national debt is bullshit, everyone knows it. Any segment of economic
history shows increases and decreases in the national debt. Should any
president deny exceeding the budget when a disaster hits? When George Bush
and Company gave out FEMA bucks, $2000.00 per Katrina victim and ran up the
national debt, was that a bad thing? Not many would fault him for sending
Billions to rebuild New Orleans and other areas. The bond system pays for
this debt, and bond holders buy them for their potential profit. That part
of the economy would correct itself if the politicians stayed out of it.
New Orleans' mayor Ray Naggin screwed New Orleans, not George Bush. He
diverted federal funds sent to shore up the levees into his pet projects.
Federal dollars flow to local politicians that decide if the city needs a
new park or pay to repair a bridge, not the federal government, not the
president.
Our system works well when we do not have a central authority in control. No
central authority from Cuba to the former Soviet Union succeeds in meeting
everyone's needs. Free enterprise, capitalism, free markets, unfettered
supply and demand economics, ensures we're as close as possible to the right
quantity at the right price for everything, including gasoline and heating
oil. Government only needs to watch dog the high rollers who work to
imbalance these markets, not try to control every transaction.
The old adage, never keep all your eggs in one basket needs to be reminded
all the time. People portfolios are weaker but they still own the assets
which will eventually return to their values. The market loses but never
stays down. Yeah, timing sucks for some but no one ever guaranteed a return
on investment in the market, and the government has no business bailing out
anyone. The anticipation of government action is what's keeping the credit
market from recovery right now.
A third of wealth has vanished? Who's lost their mind here? What wealth?
A figure on a piece of paper? Just because an appraisal says my house is
worth $500K, doesn't make it so, the market sets that value,and if I can
only sell it for $250K, that's all its worth. A nations' wealth comes from
more than an assessment of portfolios and house values.
America has lost its labor jobs other than construction and if we need to
lay blame here, put it where it belongs not on the business owned but on the
government regulations. We can't have our cake and eat it too. The ecology
push in the 1970s led to the enactment by democrats of laws under the
Environmental Protection Act. The EPA has single-handedly killed the
American factory with impossible and unnecessary pollution regulations.
Business struggled, we had the Big 3 auto makers giving us 1975 cars with
EPA required catalytic converters that got 12MPG, that put them behind in
technology so Honda and Datsun, and Toyota could come here and take over.
Then the democrats waved the imaginary poverty line at us, and raised the
minimum wage., and forced businesses to do other benefits. Business finally
said enough of this, and moved manufacturing and assembly to Mexico and
other places. They had to make these moves to retain profits, the profits
that go into those portfolios, those retirement stocks, 401K plans, etc.
Lay blame on the democrats more interested in global warming than jobs for
Americans, not George Bush. The problem started many years before, and
we're stuck with the EPA. If you need something chromed, it will be done in
China or Taiwan, not here. I'm not talking about bumpers, I'm referring to
surgical equipment, ball bearings, etc. But at least the grass is green and
the frogs are jumping with two hind legs.
People travel, but the dollar to Euro conversion rate is terrible, why is
that? Foreign investors are not interested in the US dollar because they
are not interested in US businesses because our products are not interesting
them when they can get it better elsewhere. With a weak dollar, you would
think more tourists would becoming here, and they are but since that's a
good economic thing, the media doesn't mention it. Tourism to the USA, just
go by the Grand Canyon or Las Vegas and listen for all the foreign
languages.
The heaviest foreign interest in Obama's campaign lies in the world view of
Americans as a nation. We preach equality, set high standards for human
rights, abhor racial violence, religious violence, and condemn other nations
for their inability to be as good as we say they should be. Now, its our
turn to vote for a black man versus a white man. If Obama loses, some will
say it was because whites are hypocrites and all the liberal bleeding hearts
out there still voted along color. The pundits will extrapolate polling
results county by county across America. If the 60/40 white/black ratio
somewhere looks like the 60/40 McCain/Obama voting, they will have all the
proof they need to show prejudice is alive and well. False logic at its
best, and the ignorant with nothing to lose, will set his town and city on
fire. The world is watching. But don't vote for Obama because its their
turn, because it will be an excuse to say no more affirmative action. Our
political leadership should not be a social experiment of the first degree,
yet those who want this will come up with every reason to allow it. On the
other hand, some white people who sincerely like Obama's message can't get
past his skin color, and they wait for one legitimate excuse to say, now I
don't have to vote for him and I have my reason.
Speaking of skin color, Obama's main flaw is in his denial of his own mixed
race heritage. He had a golden opportunity to unite people from black and
white cultures and he failed to do so. Half black, half white but he chose
to identify with one side and he learned to be angry and repulsed by his
white side, a side that did him no harm, a side that financially enabled him
to become educated. If his white grandparents had dis-owned their daughter
for marriage to a negro in the early 1960's, where would Obama be today?
Who knows? All I do know is he miss this opportunity to truly unite and it
speaks volumes as to his true character and racial prejudice, as does his
affiliations. He's not truthful. Louis Farrakhan is truthful. Malcolm-X
was truthful. Martin Luther King was truthful. Rev Jesse Jackson is
truthful when convenient, Rev Al Sharpton is a piece of work. Congressmen
Conyers, a lunatic racist. Maxine Watters, another racist nutcase. We know
all about them but what do we know about Obama, other than he used to do
cocaine to fit in. Sign of a weak mind.
Bill S in AZ
"Stuffed Tiger" <No...@NotAnAddress.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:43:51 -0700, "Bill S" <whs...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>... You have expenses related to your nudist
>>activity that come from your discretionary funds,
>
> Higher interest payments on Bush-McSame's humongous national debt, the
> enormous amount of funds diverted to destruction in Iraq; policies
> that reward businesses for pushing valued American jobs overseas;
> complete inattention to infrastructure, preparedness and management as
> seen in failures from 9/11 to Katrina to wild fluctuations in fuel
> prices to bridges caving in to the re-polluting of our environment;
> total abdication of leadership in managing the financial markets,
> mortgage markets and derivatives markets; fewer jobs; people tossed
> out of their homes; the loss of a third of personal wealth; failure to
> lead as America and the World slide into recession; disconnection as
> millions of lost jobs seriously impact the consumer market; all this
> and more have buried American consumer confidence.
>
> Discretionary funds? Have you gone insane? Where do you live?
>
> Americans have seen their portfolios vanish, funds that they need for
> college, retirement, and maintenance. Even money market funds have
> broken the buck. Property values have dropped like stones from a
> bridge into water and will not soon surface. How can you borrow
> against such property? A third of our wealth has simply vanished.
>
> The travel industry has been hit and hit hard. The only reason
> traditional nudist venues have survived is because they are a low cost
> option. Nevertheless, things like fuel costs have driven prices
> higher, and because nudist venues are fewer, they are further to drive
> to and more sensitive to fuel prices.
>
> Sixty percent of US oil is now imported. Failure to conserve has led
> to the USA being reduced to 2% of the remaining World's oil reserves,
> counting ALL the known and projected reserves in the US. The USA uses
> 25% of the oil pumped each year. Sure, we need to keep drilling, but
> there is no point in drilling faster. We cannot drill ourselves out of
> this mess, and the whole World knows it. They know we cannot continue
> on the Bush-McSame path and survive. They are backing away.
>
> I don't know if Obama can restore confidence. What I do know is that
> too many people around entire World see the failed policies of
> Bush-McSame as a disaster going forward. It is not Obama but rather
> individual Americans who can change this. All Obama can do is not be
> Bush. If Americans decide to create these new directions, we will get
> plenty of help from the rest of the World, and we will succeed. Obama
> can take the credit. I don't care.
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
yes i can understand your plight of contempt as i also do not agree
with all things bush or mcain does......but the economy if left alone
and let the folks that made bad choices in seeking credit for
outrageous priced homes take the hit would be the correct
solution....but of course as you can see that does not win votes for
any candidate.....and of course we saw how price support did not work
for nixon....all this is called tampering with the capitalistic
system....even regulation of any kind can be included.....but ....look
at it this way....mccain knows like you and i that it would be
wonderful if the media was not involved so much and have the americans
in captivity regarding news....like so you folks want third party
huh.....naw naw....we can control two parties....so two parties it
will be....did you not learn that in 2000.....and so if i was in
mccain shoes and seriously was running for president and knew that it
takes many votes to get elected and the masses are those folks out
there that fill the walmart stores and are depressed more and more by
the hour in america for the last forty years....and depression has no
better antidote than drugs or eating or spending money.....so knowing
that these folks are the masses and i cannot piss em off so...i will
say hey guys...i dont want your houses to wind up worthless say a 3 br
with a concrete foundation is not worth more than 20.000 like they
were in the fifties.....so i am offering a nixon floor....and he hates
it like i do.....but if he does not say that....these depressed
monkeys will hang em high....and donald crump can get more votes than
that...and he is a low life.....see Anna put yourself in the shoes of
a guy running and allow him to lie enough to get elected with pissing
off the least amount of voters.....voters are fickle and ignorant of
the system like cyndiann and of course we have absolute lunitics like
wood that lives in spock land......so think it over and i bet you see
it differently when walking in a candidates shoes that is trying to
win the election.....and that is the name of the game...it is a damned
shame that obama is approaching a billion dollar expenditure to win
and he is worried about feeding the hungary folks in the ghetto that
sell drugs and kill ol people in stores and hate all white
folks.....at all cost we all have to do the cheer leader rah rah rah
even here in rec nude and keep this thug from chicago from
winning....do your part.....jz
Bill S
game? The promoters will have to lure people to the stadiums by increasing
the number of half-naked cheerleaders on the field. (Not a true negative).
Professional players will demand increased salaries to off set their "I make
more than $250K" tax increase. All those cost increases and additional
taxes on the filthy rich team owners will be passed on to ticket prices, but
no one will be able to afford the tickets.
Without ticket sales, the NFL (football in the USA) will block local
broadcasts, to try to force people to the stadiums, and just like baseball
and ice hockey, the NFL will become no better than European American style
football. No socialist country will support the economy of high dollar
professional sports. Europe loves soccer but that game doesn't stop every
play for two minutes of commercials.
Life under Obama is definitely going to change. "Be careful what you ask
for, you just might get it"
Bill S in AZ
"Terry J. Wood" <Terry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B3CA711BA3...@216.168.3.30...
> "Bill S" <whs...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:fxuKk.11332$Ai5....@newsfe13.iad:
>
>> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how
>> many nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
>
> Since I don't make more than $250,000 per year, I can't say. But I know
> this: if we allow the current adminstration to continue their "Tax THE
> MIDDLE CLASS and Spend" ways, soon all textiles will be wearing this to
> football games:
>
> http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/0905barrel.jpg
>
> Perhaps those middle class textiles will decide it's just not worth is and
> start going nude.
Anna
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Obama is a good man. In fact I
believe he is Evil.
Hyperbole?
Well what else would you call a guy who is indirectly responsible for
the deaths of over 1,000 through his support of Raila Odinga?
Sure an US President is often called upon to commit "necessary evil"
for the sake of the nation (think of Abraham Lincoln) but this wasn't
one of those cases.
This was just a case of Obama being evil for his own sake.
Zee
> Under Obama's government who will be able to afford to go to a football
> game? The promoters will have to lure people to the stadiums by increasing
> the number of half-naked cheerleaders on the field. (Not a true negative).
>
> Professional players will demand increased salaries to off set their "I make
> more than $250K" tax increase. All those cost increases and additional
> taxes on the filthy rich team owners will be passed on to ticket prices, but
> no one will be able to afford the tickets.
>
> Without ticket sales, the NFL (football in the USA) will block local
> broadcasts, to try to force people to the stadiums, and just like baseball
> and ice hockey, the NFL will become no better than European American style
> football. No socialist country will support the economy of high dollar
> professional sports. Europe loves soccer but that game doesn't stop every
> play for two minutes of commercials.
>
> Life under Obama is definitely going to change. "Be careful what you ask
> for, you just might get it"
> Bill S in AZ
>
>
>
>
> > "Bill S" <whst...@cox.net> wrote in
> >news:fxuKk.11332$Ai5....@newsfe13.iad:
>
> >> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how
> >> many nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
>
> > Since I don't make more than $250,000 per year, I can't say. But I know
> > this: if we allow the current adminstration to continue their "Tax THE
> > MIDDLE CLASS and Spend" ways, soon all textiles will be wearing this to
> > football games:
>
> > http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/0905barrel.jpg
>
> > Perhaps those middle class textiles will decide it's just not worth is and
> > start going nude.
>
> > If that were to happen then nudists would be in the majority and soon we'd
> > see the emergence of a new nudesgroup: rec.textiles, where people would
> > discuss the best places to go swimming in suits (without getting
>
> - Show quoted text -
he he....i am trying to see the bright side Bill.....so have you
noticed how fast the euros are rallying behind the usa....yeah right
lets have a meeting i am pledging xxxxxxxbillions for my country on
this bailout thing.....see if the us is going down we can follow them
because it is too big a gamble to be seen as idiots in case the usa is
right and we lose.....he he ha ha.....rats and mice are scrambling
everywhere to do the.....THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS.....bit....they
dont dare argue with our ideas of survival in this money game......of
course if we are wrong...wow....only australia will be our ally....and
so there you have it....we have to work three shifts at all defence
plants in order to maintain the worlds mitiest military....the arabs
are bad but having to fight the rest of the world also is
terrible.....jz
Anna
The thug from Chicago will win. If not now than in 2012. If not him
someone just as bad or even worse. McCain won’t change the direction
things are going. He won’t change things for the better. In that
sense he is McSame. But not only the same as Bush but the same as the
direction we have been going for more than a generation.
And I am glad you mentioned Nixon. He did more to harm the Republican
party than any Democrat could dream of doing. Though I do believe that
Bush has even done more harm to the Republican party than Bush has.
Without an effective CONSERVATIVE Republican party, our country is
doomed, Obama or no Obama. McCain will turn the Republican Party
totally socialist. With Obama we have a chance of reversing the damage
Bush has done and turn the party back towards the spirit of Reagan.
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
roll up another one ..i will be right over.....jz
Terry J. Wood
> Professional players will demand increased salaries to off set their
> "I make more than $250K" tax increase. All those cost increases and
> additional taxes on the filthy rich team owners will be passed on to
> ticket prices, but no one will be able to afford the tickets.
>
Yeah! Until Bushy gave the $RICH$ all those tax breaks, America was going
down the dumper under Clinton! True, we were paying off the national debt
and the economy was booming, but the $RICH4 needed those tax breaks so they
could all trickle down on us!
http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/trickle-down.jpg
BBp
> If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how many
> live in a nudist community, you have membership and you visit your favorite
> activity that come from your discretionary funds, the money Obama will look
> to remove from your wallet to put in someone else's wallet, though higher
> family under the bridge doesn't have one at all?" How can you have a large
> RV when there are homeless? How can you spend the weekend at your nudist
> condo or time share when others don't have a place to live? Obama will tax
> your excess and spread the wealth around. Your days of floating the weekend
> away in the naked pool might be over because under Obama's plan you won't
> have the money for such a lavish indulgence anymore.
>
> Then what becomes of our favorite naked places? Sun Swallows in El CaJon,
> CA decided to sell the place to non-nudists who were looking to convert the
> place to a mobile home park. They got an offer they couldn't refuse?
> People there were furious and got a lawyer. Sun Swallows installed and sold
> numerours Park model homes with attached decks and hot tubs just a year
> before selling the entire place. Apparently, economics and their finiancial
> future weighed in more than their nudist beliefs. What if this situation
> comes up at your favorite naked place because under Obama, nudists can no
> longer afford to visit their club and the club owners sell to non-nudists?
> Places like Cypress Cove no longer nude? Is that possible? I'm no lawyer
> and I don't know the first thing about property deeds, but I believe the
> deed has to denote the nudists use to protect owners against a sell out.
> Most places might let you rent the space and build upon it like they do at
> DeAnza Springs Resort in California, but if Dave and Helen decided to sell
> the resort and move to Mira Vista in Tucson, AZ there would be no legal
> fight to remain a nudist resort unless the new owners kept it that way.
>
> American nudism simply because the clubs and resorts could not stay afloat
> with decreasing memberships and higher taxes.
>
> we don't have alternative places like lakes and beaches, or neighborhood FKK
> swimming pools, or even the option to go nude at home in our own yards. The
> free enterprise capitalist system we've enjoyed has given us the wealth to
> spend to support our clubs and our lifestyle. Obama will put and end to
> this, for along time. We're not Europe, we don't need their socialism, if
> works for them because they've cultivated it through generations of struggle
> but America can't embrace it as if its a new fad or style.
> Vote for John McCain. Go back to work and make profits. Spend money at
> naked places so they can make profits too, and grow the businesses we depend
> on.
> Bill S in AZ
Just one purpose is the basis of your voting for or against someone?
That’s a pretty poor justification for voting. If your only purpose in
life is to sit at a resort nude all the time then you have a problem
and are in desperate need of help.
Many companies are in trouble, including nudist resorts. They over
spent and now they can’t make the payments it simple math, or in this
case they followed the fuzzy math of Bush and will continue to do so
if McFool is elected.
Anyone making fewer than 240K a year would be a fool to vote for
McCane as he is a follower of the failed Bush presidency that led us
into a depression.
Do yourself a favor and get on the band wagon to elect somebody that
might bring about change.
BBp
Zee
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bill S....so you sure must be using good bait to catch all these
goofies on your line.....who said it was the failed bush
policies.....or is the problem the failed democrats policy that oil
exploration has not been approved for self reliance on energy or or or
or the president not having the line item veto or or or i read in
history that every president running is running on c h a n g e....oh
my gawd how boring that has become ....it never happens.....just the
same ol same ol just different personalites.....but this black
personality sure attracts the criminal types that i am worried about
and also the terrorist and arabs love him ....so you figure....jz
David Looser
> .....but this black
> personality sure attracts the criminal types that i am worried about
> and also the terrorist and arabs love him ....so you figure
IF the "terrorist and arabs love him" (which I SERIOUSLY doubt) then that
could only be a good thing surely?, or do you think it better that your
enemies hate and despise you than respect you?
David.
Anna
wrote:
> "Zee" <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
They see him as a pushover. Or even worse they see him as a person
with the same goals and objectives that they have.
Zee
exactly...jz
stinso...@hotmail.com
>If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how many
>nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
Congratulations! Not only have you surpassed Jon Zee for sheer
ridiculousness, but you have completely misrepresented Obama's tax
proposal as well.
-T.
stinso...@hotmail.com
<No...@NotAnAddress.com> wrote:
>Discretionary funds? Have you gone insane? Where do you live?
With Cleopatra, in De Nial.
-T.
(I sense a mispelling here)
stinso...@hotmail.com
>Under Obama's socialism,
The Republicans just engineered the largest socialist restructuring of
our country's financial sector since the republic was founded. Not the
liberal Democrats. The 'conservatives'.
-T.
stinso...@hotmail.com
>Under Obama's socialism,
I further note, that with all of your blather, you cited zilch having
to do with Obama's tax plan. Nothing. Nada. Why is that?
-T.
James Dale Guckert
<5f5cbd10-29a8-4a90...@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Anna <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
> They see him as a pushover. Or even worse they see him as a person
> with the same goals and objectives that they have.
Then they are as blind as you are.
--
James Guckert / Jeff Gannon / Whore for Bush
Richard C.
news:k8ssf4tsrk44t49jd...@4ax.com...
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The sharing the wealth was from Obama's own words.
stinso...@hotmail.com
Would you like to expand on his PLAN?
-T.
Terry J. Wood
news:k8ssf4tsrk44t49jd...@4ax.com:
>>If Obama gets in office and starts "spreading the wealth around" how
>>many nudists here in America will be able to afford the lifestyle?
>
> Congratulations! Not only have you surpassed Jon Zee for sheer
> ridiculousness, but you have completely misrepresented Obama's tax
> proposal as well.
>
And all in ONE post. He could give Anonymous a lesson.
Terry J. Wood
@newsfe08.iad:
> The sharing the wealth was from Obama's own words.
Oh you are sharing your wealth with corporations which pay no tax and
aren't even incorporated in America. They're "offshore" in Bermuda using a
P.O. box as their offical corporate office. They pay no tax and we all pay
more taxes because of it.
Put "offshore corporations" into Google and see what you find!
http://tinyurl.com/offshore-corps
And if they don't do that, they "move" to states where they can pay less
(or no) state tax.
http://www.actwv.org/press/Firms_Avoid_Tax.mx
Oh, we're sharing the wealth -- our wealth -- with those who used to carry
the tax burden. Now it's squarely on the middle class.
Terry J. Wood
74A876.181...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com:
> Then they are as blind as you are.
I thought "she" was deaf.
Terry J. Wood
4ax.com:
> Not the
> liberal Democrats. The 'conservatives'.
>
Yeah, the Democrats "Tax and Spend". The Republicans just "Spend".
David Looser
news:5f5cbd10-29a8-4a90...@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
And those are?
David.
Stuffed Tiger
:-)))))
Anna
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:41:14 -0700, "Bill S" <whst...@cox.net> wrote:
> >Under Obama's socialism,
>
> The Republicans just engineered the largest socialist restructuring of
> our country's financial sector since the republic was founded. Not the
> liberal Democrats. The 'conservatives'.
>
> -T.
Something I learned very quickly when I got involved with the
Republican party was that Republican doesn't necessarily mean
conservative.
And yeah, I am going to not vote for McCain because indeed he, as was
Bush before him is a liberal.
I believe that I have already told you what we in the grassroots call
such people. Republican in Name Only or RINO for short.