Nudist beach trip with aide wrecks EU chief's job hopes
Anna
Photographs of the most senior German in the European Commission
sunbathing naked with a senior female aide have dashed his hopes of
becoming the EU's foreign policy chief.
Anna
Here is another article about the same topic.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2496216,00.html
Richard C.
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It is only because of narrow minded perverts like you................
Richard C.
It sounds like cheating on his wife was more of an issue than the nudity.
Anna
I thought Europe was more free and easy about the issue of nudity than
we here in America.
Anna
You are probably right. He should have just said he was in a polygamous
relatonship and the Europeans would have been fine about that.
D. Kirkpatrick
"Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote:
Where are you getting your news from?
That story has to be at least a week to 10 days old, and delayed by at
least 2 more between Europe and the US.
-----
Why are you compelled to rummage the internet day and night seeking
anything and everything that may be remotely negative about naturism,
or worse, every small bit that talks about nudity and try to draw a
correlation to naturism/nudism?
You have apparently been hurt in the past and are now acting out your
feelings on this captive audience.
That's passive-aggressive behavior.
I strongly urge you to seek assistance from the medical community in
dealing with these emotions and the need to remain anonymous and hide
behind a false identity.
This need to manufacture a "hero" persona behind a virtual super suit
and mask is a "Jesus complex" - you appear to believe that you are
here to save the world from itself.
Please seek the help you need. Please try to recognize the need.
Your need to feed on negative attention is remniscent of a few other
critics that have visited here in the past. Thankfully, they
eventually recognized their problem and got help.
You must have had a very lonely life till this point and cannot
interact with others in a viable relationship. In the end you come
here to poke and prod to get people angry at you for the only form of
attention that you can muster, which in turn validates your self worth.
Please get help. Many of us see this. You need to recognize it.
Richard C.
news:sunclad-1B5AE1...@news.verizon.net...
> Why are you compelled to rummage the internet day and night seeking
> anything and everything that may be remotely negative about naturism,
> or worse, every small bit that talks about nudity and try to draw a
> correlation to naturism/nudism?
===============================
That is the real question!
I think the answer is that "anna" is obsessed with nudism and addicted to
porn.
Help is required to overcome such things.
===============================
David Looser
>
>
> You are probably right. He should have just said he was in a polygamous
> relatonship and the Europeans would have been fine about that.
>
Like everything else you say about Europe and Europeans all it does is
demonstrate just how profound your ignorance is. And how you are prepared
(indeed keen) you are to rubbish anything you do not understand whilst at
the same time stigmatizing informed, constructive, criticism of US foreign
policy as "hating America"..
Let's get this clear. The scandal was because of his infidelity, not because
he was on a nudist beach. Had those pictures been of him and his wife they
would have created nothing but a few smiles.
David.
Anna
David Looser wrote:
> Let's get this clear. The scandal was because of his infidelity, not because
> he was on a nudist beach. Had those pictures been of him and his wife they
> would have created nothing but a few smiles.
>
> David.
I have to say that this article did surprise me. I thought that it was
typical for an European male to have both a wife and a mistress. In
fact, I thought that they looked down on those who didn't have both as
men unworthy of power.
There must be something else in play here.
David Looser
>
> David Looser wrote:
>
>
>> Let's get this clear. The scandal was because of his infidelity, not
>> because
>> he was on a nudist beach. Had those pictures been of him and his wife
>> they
>> would have created nothing but a few smiles.
>>
>> David.
>
> I have to say that this article did surprise me. I thought that it was
> typical for an European male to have both a wife and a mistress.
Did you now? Based on what exactly?, the voices in your head?
david.
Richard C.
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And all "swiss" [that way we don't offend nobody *] "got riddim"!
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* Stan Freeberg
"jan dijkman"
following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering this
gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our Marbles!"
> David Looser wrote:
>> Let's get this clear. The scandal was because of his infidelity, not because
>> he was on a nudist beach. Had those pictures been of him and his wife they
>> would have created nothing but a few smiles.
> I have to say that this article did surprise me. I thought that it was
> typical for an European male to have both a wife and a mistress. In
> fact, I thought that they looked down on those who didn't have both as
> men unworthy of power.
Maybe in Italy, but hardly elsewhere. Certainly not here in the
Northwest.
> There must be something else in play here.
Like the fact he abused his position to give his ladyfriend a promotion?
Jan Dijkman
David Looser
> Maybe in Italy, but hardly elsewhere. Certainly not here in the
> Northwest.
>
Iceland?
David.
Anna
Well isn't it the whole Madonna/whore thing that you see with Tony
Soprano and in other mob shows. The man feels he needs a woman to do
all the sex stuff he would never think of doing with the mother of his
children.
Or is that only Italians and not all Europeans?
"jan dijkman"
scrawled the following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering
this gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our
Marbles!"
> <Jan Dijkman> wrote [...] :
>> Maybe in Italy, but hardly elsewhere. Certainly not here in the
>> Northwest.
> Iceland?
Please, i'm not an extremist...
Jan Dijkman
David Looser
>
>
> Well isn't it the whole Madonna/whore thing that you see with Tony
> Soprano and in other mob shows. The man feels he needs a woman to do
> all the sex stuff he would never think of doing with the mother of his
> children.
>
> Or is that only Italians and not all Europeans?
Not even all Italians, just a sub-culture within Italian society.
I said before that you are utterly ignorant about Europe, and this proves
it. Rather like assuming that you know all about American society from
watching Miami Vice.
David.
>
David Looser
Shetland Islands then?
Dan Abel
"David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote:
Or that he knows about nudism without being a nudist.
Jan Dijkman
scrawled the following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering
this gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our
Marbles!"
> <Jan Dijkman> wrote in message news:45802f8d...@news.wanadoo.nl...
>> "David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> scrawled [...]:
>>> <Jan Dijkman> wrote [...] :
>>
>>>> Maybe in Italy, but hardly elsewhere. Certainly not here in the
>>>> Northwest.
>>> Iceland?
>> Please, i'm not an extremist...
> Shetland Islands then?
What is it with you and cold, wind-swept islands? What are you going to
suggest next, Svalbard? Is Holland not northwesternly enough for you?
Jan Dijkman
David Looser
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I was somewhat mystified about where you came from when you talked about
living in the northwest, since northwest Europe is mostly sea. I live well
to the west of you and on a similar latitude and I've never regarded myself
as living in the northwest. I did think perhaps you meant Norway (which is
good and north, if not all that west). But Holland?, checking it on a map I
see that Holland is roughly 52degrees north, so if Europe extends from about
35 degrees (Crete) to about 70 degrees (Norway) north, so you are more or
less in the middle in terms of latitude. And Holland is roughly 5 degrees
east so if Europe (excluding Iceland) runs from about 15 degrees west
(Ireland) to about 60 degrees east (The Urals) you are about two-thirds of
the way across in terms of longitude. Personally I'd call that west-central,
certainly not northwest.
With apologies for my off-topic pedantry.
David.
David.
Jan Dijkman
scrawled the following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering
this gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our
Marbles!"
> "Jan Dijkman" <some...@somewhere.nl> wrote [...]
<snippers>
>> What is it with you and cold, wind-swept islands? What are you going to
>> suggest next, Svalbard? Is Holland not northwesternly enough for you?
> I was somewhat mystified about where you came from when you talked about
> living in the northwest, since northwest Europe is mostly sea. I live well
> to the west of you and on a similar latitude and I've never regarded myself
> as living in the northwest. I did think perhaps you meant Norway (which is
> good and north, if not all that west). But Holland?, checking it on a map I
> see that Holland is roughly 52degrees north, so if Europe extends from about
> 35 degrees (Crete) to about 70 degrees (Norway) north, so you are more or
> less in the middle in terms of latitude. And Holland is roughly 5 degrees
> east so if Europe (excluding Iceland) runs from about 15 degrees west
> (Ireland) to about 60 degrees east (The Urals) you are about two-thirds of
> the way across in terms of longitude. Personally I'd call that west-central,
> certainly not northwest.
Well, i decided to do some research. It turns out Europe stretches a bit
further North and East than even you thought. not 70°N & 60°E, but 80°N
& 70°E, so the Center of Europe lies on the island of Saaremaa in
Estonia, at 58°18'13"N, 22°16'44"E. Discounting the European islands,
(And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?) the
center of the mainland lies between Minsk & Babruysk in Belorussia, at
53°34'02"N, 29°16'24"E. Finally, Ireland doesn't stretch quite as far
West as you think...only about 10.5°W. Therefore, geographically, you're
correct; Holland is Central-West. However, i was thinking in terms of
population, and then the centre would be somewhere between Munich,
Vienna & Prague...which also appears to be the centre of Central-Europe.
> With apologies for my off-topic pedantry.
Do not apologize for pedantry, on topic or off!
Jan Dijkman
Anna
Jan Dijkman wrote:
> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?) the
They don't think so. And it is something they are very proud of.
Of course joining the EU takes away their sovereignty on this matter.
David Looser
>
> Jan Dijkman wrote:
>> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?) the
>
> They don't think so. And it is something they are very proud of.
>
David.
Aldernat
Hmm.
The only generalisation that is true is the one that states all
generalisations are false.
--
Aldernat
David Looser
> Well, i decided to do some research. It turns out Europe stretches a bit
> further North and East than even you thought. not 70°N & 60°E, but 80°N
> & 70°E, so the Center of Europe lies on the island of Saaremaa in
> Estonia, at 58°18'13"N, 22°16'44"E.
Such precision!, did you work that out yourself? And have you noticed that
puts you in *southern* Europe?
Discounting the European islands,
> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?)
Is Russia?
> the
> center of the mainland lies between Minsk & Babruysk in Belorussia, at
> 53°34'02"N, 29°16'24"E. Finally, Ireland doesn't stretch quite as far
> West as you think...only about 10.5°W. Therefore, geographically, you're
> correct; Holland is Central-West. However, i was thinking in terms of
> population, and then the centre would be somewhere between Munich,
> Vienna & Prague...which also appears to be the centre of Central-Europe.
>
How did you work out the population centre?
> Do not apologize for pedantry, on topic or off!
David.
lurkio
>>>> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?)
Ofcourse we are part of europe in the same way as anglesey is part of wales
and the Island in the Thames is part of england
Jan Dijkman
scrawled the following message across the Holy Marbles. Upon discovering
this gruesome sacrilege, the priests screeched, "We have lost our
Marbles!"
> "Jan Dijkman" <some...@somewhere.nl> wrote [...]
>> Well, i decided to do some research. It turns out Europe stretches a bit
>> further North and East than even you thought. not 70°N & 60°E, but 80°N
>> & 70°E, so the Center of Europe lies on the island of Saaremaa in
>> Estonia, at 58°18'13"N, 22°16'44"E.
> Such precision!, did you work that out yourself?
Aye, with a little help from wikipedia.org and maps.google.
> And have you noticed that puts you in *southern* Europe?
It puts me in the Southern half, aye, but i wouldn't call it Southern
Europe.
>> Discounting the European islands,
>> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?)
> Is Russia?
True. But that would make Berlin the centre of Europe...
>> the
>> center of the mainland lies between Minsk & Babruysk in Belorussia, at
>> 53°34'02"N, 29°16'24"E. Finally, Ireland doesn't stretch quite as far
>> West as you think...only about 10.5°W. Therefore, geographically, you're
>> correct; Holland is Central-West. However, i was thinking in terms of
>> population, and then the centre would be somewhere between Munich,
>> Vienna & Prague...which also appears to be the centre of Central-Europe.
> How did you work out the population centre?
Mostly from a map showing population density for most of Europe.
Admittedly, the eastern extreme of Europe isn't on that map, hence the
less than pinpoint accuracy of my estimate.
On a side note: Last night, i watched a show on places that claim to be
the centre of Europe. They range from Germany to Austria, Slovakia,
Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine...i guess it all depends on your
definition of both centre & Europe.
Jan Dijkman
Jerry
"lurkio" <lur...@priavy.com> wrote in message
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More to the point, if the UK is not part of Europe it would mean that
Hawaii is defiantly not part of the USA!.... :~)
David Looser
>
> It puts me in the Southern half, aye, but i wouldn't call it Southern
> Europe.
>
Europe and also be "north-west" Europe at the same time!
>>> Discounting the European islands,
>>> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?)
>
>> Is Russia?
>
> True. But that would make Berlin the centre of Europe...
>
And the problem with that is? If you'd asked me before we started this
correspondence where the centre of Europe was I'd probably have guessed
somewhere around Berlin.
>
> On a side note: Last night, i watched a show on places that claim to be
> the centre of Europe. They range from Germany to Austria, Slovakia,
> Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine...i guess it all depends on your
> definition of both centre & Europe.
>
It certainly depends on where you live :-)
David.
Jan Dijkman
wrote:
> "Jan Dijkman" <some...@somewhere.nl> wrote [...]
>> On 21 December 12006, "David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com>
>>> And have you noticed that puts you in *southern* Europe?
>> It puts me in the Southern half, aye, but i wouldn't call it Southern
>> Europe.
> Well OK, but you must admit that you cannot be in both the southern half of
> Europe and also be "north-west" Europe at the same time!
I guess you missed my earlier statement: "[G]eographically, you're
correct; Holland is Central-West."
>>>> Discounting the European islands,
>>>> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?)
>>> Is Russia?
>> True. But that would make Berlin the centre of Europe...
> And the problem with that is? If you'd asked me before we started this
> correspondence where the centre of Europe was I'd probably have guessed
> somewhere around Berlin.
No problem on my part.
BBp
truths..
BTW what nudists resorts, nude beaches, nude organizations do your
attend or belong to..
BBp
Anna wrote:
> Richard C. wrote:
> > "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165858853.3...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > > http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2062495.ece
> > >
> > > Photographs of the most senior German in the European Commission
> > > sunbathing naked with a senior female aide have dashed his hopes of
> > > becoming the EU's foreign policy chief.
> > >
> > ================================
> > It is only because of narrow minded perverts like you................
>
> I thought Europe was more free and easy about the issue of nudity than
> we here in America.
Freddy Fox
I don't!
freddy
>
> David.
>
>
David Looser
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David.
Jerry
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>
So you don't live in the UK then?
Freddy Fox
I live in England!
>
> David.
>
>
Jerry
Which is part of Europe, so you are part of Europe, just as someone
who lives in the USA is an American - unless they live in Hawaii...!
Duncan Heenan
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nationality. It does not. For example Mohammed El Fayed has lived in the UK
for many years , but remains an Egyptian citizen (despite his many attempts
at gaining British nationality!).
If your assumption were true asylum and immigration claims would be
unnecessary, as all people would have to do would be to reach the UK and
start to reside here, and then they would become British. It takes a lot
more than that, however, as The Law stands currently.
Craig M
> Your statement assumes that the place of resident determines one's
> nationality. It does not. For example Mohammed El Fayed has lived in the UK
> for many years , but remains an Egyptian citizen (despite his many attempts
> at gaining British nationality!).
Actually, he left the UK in 2003 after a dispute with the Inland
Revenue (something about him being required to pay UK income tax) and
decamped to Switzerland.
David Looser
>>
David.
>>
>>
>
>
David Looser
message news:4594cb61$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Your statement assumes that the place of resident determines one's
> nationality.
Who mentioned nationality? The question was about where one lived, not what
one's nationality was.
Do try to keep up Duncan.
David.
Duncan Heenan
It had been claimed that living in England makes one English - a statement
of nationality following residence. Go back in the thread and you will see
that what one 'is' was at question to start with (e.g. English v European).
Where one lives relates only to one's location, not one's nationality,
allegiance, ethnic group or inside leg measurement.
Anna
No, actually we were talking about self-identification. Does the person
see British society as similiar enough to the rest of Europe for that
person to identify him or herself with European society or does that
person see distinct differences between the culture of Great Britian
and the culture of European society to make that that person to want
assert a different identity than that of European - that being an
English citizen.
This has nothing to do with geography. And it really doesn't even have
to do with citizenship. It has to do with whether an English citizen
likes to be lumped in with the rest of Europe or likes to fight for and
assert a distinct identity from them. Does that person take pride in
saying, I am not an European I am an Englishman/woman?
David Looser
>
>
> No, actually we were talking about self-identification.
No, actually Jeff, we weren't. Read the ***** thread.
David.
David Looser
>>
>>
>> No, actually we were talking about self-identification.
>
>
whatsoever of debating British attitudes to the EU in a forum where a
"know-it-all" American such as yourself, who knows nothing about anything
outside of the USA (and, as far as I can tell, very little about anything
inside it) can try to dominate it with his half-baked, ill-informed
opinions.
David.
Anna
You were talking about geography when you were talking about where the
center of Europe was but regarding the general comment that Jan made
(And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?) she
was making a cultural/self indentification comment instead of a
geographical one.
Geographically England is on an island and therefore technically not
part of the European continent. Perhaps if you look at tectonic plates
it can be considered part of European but I am not sure even then. And
of course there is always the question of when does an Island get so
big that it should be considered too big for being an island but
instead something else ( Madagascar for example Island or
mini-continent).
But again, I don't think Jan was making a comment on whether England
should be considered part of Europe because of the whole island thing.
It was more a cultural comment. Perhaps I misinterpreted her comment. I
guess only Jan knows for sure what she meant when she made that comment.
Pete Knight
Anna wrote:
You're rather confusing matters with references to England and in the
next sentence its Great Britain, which is it, the country as a whole or
a constituent part, and there is no such thing as an English citizen, I
know of no one that has an English passport. I think you'll find that
citizens of this collection of islands are citizens of the "United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" a member state of the
"European Union" which sooner or later will become a federal state,
long after I'm dead hopefully.
Pete Knight
Jerry
"Pete Knight" <pet...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
<snip>
I think you'll find that
> citizens of this collection of islands are citizens of the "United
> Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" a member state of
the
> "European Union" which sooner or later will become a federal state,
> long after I'm dead hopefully.
>
Are you planning to die soon then?...
Anna
It is all very scary isn't it.
We see the New World Order slowly emerging to crush the human spirit.
Freddy Fox
The way things are going in this country makes me glad I'm coming to the end
of my life, I feel very sorry for all those who will be left.
>
adrian_...@yahoo.com
Anna wrote:
>
> You were talking about geography when you were talking about where the
> center of Europe was but regarding the general comment that Jan made
> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?) she
> was making a cultural/self indentification comment instead of a
> geographical one.
>
> Geographically England is on an island and therefore technically not
> part of the European continent. Perhaps if you look at tectonic plates
> it can be considered part of European but I am not sure even then. And
> of course there is always the question of when does an Island get so
> big that it should be considered too big for being an island but
> instead something else ( Madagascar for example Island or
> mini-continent).
>
> But again, I don't think Jan was making a comment on whether England
> should be considered part of Europe because of the whole island thing.
> It was more a cultural comment. Perhaps I misinterpreted her comment. I
> guess only Jan knows for sure what she meant when she made that comment.
England is emphatically not an Island. England has land borders with
Scotland and Wales. Great Britain IS an Island.
Adrian
Jan Dijkman
<snippers>
> You were talking about geography when you were talking about where the
> center of Europe was but regarding the general comment that Jan made
> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe, anyway?) she
> was making a cultural/self indentification comment instead of a
> geographical one.
Correct, except my dangly bits tell me i'm a he...then again, you might
differ. (Jan is the Dutch equivalent of John.)
> Geographically England is on an island and therefore technically not
> part of the European continent.
That is currently correct, but it wasn't always so.
> Perhaps if you look at tectonic plates
> it can be considered part of European but I am not sure even then.
By tectonic plates, parts of Italy & the former Yugoslavia aren't
European, and i'm not sure of Spain & Portugal...
Personally, i go by continental shelf, which would exclude only Iceland
from Europe.
<snippers>
Duncan Heenan
You'd feel worse if you, lived in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or .....Iran!
Duncan Heenan
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> from Europe.
>
Continental Shelf?
Duncan Heenan
news:1167417503.6...@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>snip <
>> But again, I don't think Jan was making a comment on whether England
>> should be considered part of Europe because of the whole island thing.
>> It was more a cultural comment. Perhaps I misinterpreted her comment. I
>> guess only Jan knows for sure what she meant when she made that comment.
>
> You're rather confusing matters with references to England and in the
> next sentence its Great Britain, which is it, the country as a whole or
> a constituent part, and there is no such thing as an English citizen, I
> know of no one that has an English passport. I think you'll find that
> citizens of this collection of islands are citizens of the "United
> Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" a member state of the
> "European Union" which sooner or later will become a federal state,
> long after I'm dead hopefully.
>
> Pete Knight
I think you'll find that legally we Brits., are all 'Subjects' (of Her
Majesty the Queen) , not 'citizens' (of anything) - unless the revolution
happened while I was asleep. I am not a monarchist myself, but I believe I
do live in a Monarchy of sorts. [ I shouldn't have said that though should
I? , or George W Bush might invade us to impose democracy on us, as he has
done in Saudi Arabia... ooops sorry I meant er..... oh I wish I hadn't
started all this now]
David Looser
> European, and i'm not sure of Spain & Portugal...
>
the Pyrenees. Most of Britain on the other hand is part of the same plate as
continental Europe though Northern Scotland isn't (the join runs though Loch
Ness). And a mere 5000 years ago much of the North Sea was dry land, the
first human inhabitants of Britain walked here and indeed lived in the area
now under the sea
> Personally, i go by continental shelf, which would exclude only Iceland
> from Europe.
>
Indeed.
David.
Freddy Fox
Oh, I don't know, I might have a chance to shoot bloody Bliar!
>
>
Duncan Heenan
>snip <
>>> The way things are going in this country makes me glad I'm coming to the
>>> end of my life, I feel very sorry for all those who will be left.
>>
>> You'd feel worse if you, lived in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or .....Iran!
>
> Oh, I don't know, I might have a chance to shoot bloody Bliar!
>
Steve Doerr
> I think you'll find that legally we Brits., are all 'Subjects' (of Her
> Majesty the Queen) , not 'citizens' (of anything) - unless the revolution
> happened while I was asleep.
It must have done - look at your passport.
--
Steve
Pete Knight
Steve Doerr wrote:
Oh my god, the peasants are revolting ! ! ! !
Richard C.
Yes...yes, they certainly are!
Duncan Heenan
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It opens with: " her Britannic Majesty' Secretary of State requests and
requires in the Name of Her Majesty to all those whom it may concern to
allow the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary."
Clearly a statement that The Queen is calling the shots.
However, the notes refer throughout to 'British Nationals', except Note 2
which reads:
" Citizenship and National Status. British citizens have the right of abode
in the United Kingdom. No right of abode in the United Kingdom derives from
the status, as British nationals, of British Dependent Territories citizens,
British Nationals (Overseas), British Overseas citizens British protected
persons and British subjects."
At the back, under nationality, I am classed as a BRITISH CITIZEN. [Their
capitals].
So perhaps you are right. Or not, depending how you read it.
Of course the British constitution is famously unwritten and ambiguous,
which means it can change and evolve whenever politicians want it to. I am
comforted that I have a right of abode, but disturbed that mere subjects
apparently don't. I wish it said what the difference is. I shall definitely
mention it to Her Majesty next time she calls round, as I think it a bit of
a snub after all my years of reluctant loyalty to her.
However, though I am a republican by persuasion, I would rather be ruled by
The Queen than reigned over by Blair. That's not saying much though, as I'd
rather be ruled by a lamp post than Blair.
Pete Knight
Duncan Heenan wrote:
My old dad always said that the folk in his home town would vote for a
lamp post if it stood as Labour candidate, rather than vote with any
other party, personally I think the lamp post would have made fewer
mistakes!!!!
Pete Knight
Aldernat
"Pete Knight" <pet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
,snip>
> My old dad always said that the folk in his home town would vote for a
> lamp post if it stood as Labour candidate, rather than vote with any
> other party, personally I think the lamp post would have made fewer
> mistakes!!!!
>
> Pete Knight
You know where you are with a lamp post. It doesn't change into a
bollard just to gain popularity.
--
Aldernat
Duncan Booth
> "Steve Doerr" <REVERSEdo...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:zVvlh.23041$k74....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>
>>> I think you'll find that legally we Brits., are all 'Subjects' (of
>>> Her Majesty the Queen) , not 'citizens' (of anything) - unless the
>>> revolution happened while I was asleep.
>>
>> It must have done - look at your passport.
>>
>> --
>> Steve
> The passport is somewhat ambiguous;
Ok, so look at the 1981 British Nationality Act (summary from wikipedia, so
believe it or not as you please):
> Although there have been several amendments to the 1981 Act in the
> intervening years, the principal British nationality law today is the
> British Nationality Act 1981, which established the current system of
> multiple categories of British nationality, viz. British citizens,
> British Overseas Territories citizens, British Overseas citizens,
> British Nationals (Overseas), British subjects and British protected
> persons. Only British citizenship includes the automatic right of
> abode in the United Kingdom.
> The 1981 Act also ceased to recognise Commonwealth citizens as British
> subjects. There remain only two categories of people who are still
> British subjects: some people (formerly known as British subjects
> without citizenship) who originally acquired British nationality
> through a connection with former British India, and also a number of
> people connected with the Republic of Ireland before 1949 who have
> made a declaration to retain British nationality. Those British
> subjects connected with former British India lose British nationality
> if they acquire any other.
Simon Allen
>>The passport is somewhat ambiguous;
various letters. I did have them pointed out to me but forget now. It is
the way in which the Immigration Officer knows your origins in the
UK/Commonwealth/elsewhere and what you are entitled to.
Simon.
Rich
wrote:
>Which is part of Europe, so you are part of Europe, just as someone
>who lives in the USA is an American - unless they live in Hawaii...!
When did we throw the "Aloha State" out of the Union? Hawaii became
the 50th state on August 21,1959.
Rich
Jerry
"Rich" <western...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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When did Hawaii move it's position on the map, the last time I
looked it was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean - not 20 mile off
shore from LA! This thread is about continents (land masses), not the
Political status of a country.
David Looser
news:4596ec75$0$97240$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
Hawaii aren't Americans!
David.
Paul Ciszek
In article <20061230205352.183f5bf2@general>,
These bollards are quite changable, and the film has become popular on
this side of the atlantic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEbmJi3ROKk
Note that the first driver knew exactly what the score was, having
first encountered the bollards in the "up" position.
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Duncan Heenan
"Jerry" <INV...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
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>
people feel they 'belong' to a particular nation.
David Looser
(a particularly irritatingly ignorant American) tried to de-rail it to a
discussion of whether the British regard themselves as Europeans, which I
resisted. Then you somehow or other picked up on this idea and also tried to
re-direct the thread into that direction. IMO rec.nude is a singularly
innapropriate place for a discussion on British attitudes to the EU because
it inevitably attract the unwelcome attention of American Europhobes like
"Anna". If you want to talk about that start a new thread in urn *only*
But as far as I am concerned this thread is, and always was, about
geography.
David.
Duncan Booth
For goodness sake, please try to get your quoting correct.
No, I did not write that: Duncan Heenan wrote that he though the passport
is somewhat ambiguous.
Duncan Heenan
"Duncan Booth" <duncan...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns98AA628071...@127.0.0.1...
passport, but the above is not what I quoted or wrote, so someone somewhere
is getting confused.
Duncan Heenan
Aldernat
I'm always confused. It is my natural state, so this gives me a warm
glow of 'belonging' :)
--
Aldernat
Jerry
Unless we have two people called 'Duncan Heenan' posting to the
group, both posting through Tiscali accounts, it's you who is getting
confused! See;
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Newsgroups: rec.nude,uk.rec.naturist
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"Steve Doerr" <REVERSEdo...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zVvlh.23041$k74....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>
>> I think you'll find that legally we Brits., are all 'Subjects' (of
Her
>> Majesty the Queen) , not 'citizens' (of anything) - unless the
revolution
>> happened while I was asleep.
>
> It must have done - look at your passport.
>
> --
> Steve
The passport is somewhat ambiguous;
It opens with: " her Britannic Majesty' Secretary of State requests
and
requires in the Name of Her Majesty .../cont/...
</quote>
Duncan Heenan
"Jerry" <INV...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> snip <
> Unless we have two people called 'Duncan Heenan' posting to the
> group, both posting through Tiscali accounts, it's you who is getting
> confused! See;
>
> news:4596b...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com
>
> <quote headers>
Sorry old chap it seems to be you who is confused this time. Your reference
above is indeed me, but what was being referred to in that post was (which
is not posted by me , but someone ascribed to me) is:
"Duncan Booth wrote:
>>The passport is somewhat ambiguous;
As I recall there are now some ten categories of passport, defined by
various letters. I did have them pointed out to me but forget now. It
is
the way in which the Immigration Officer knows your origins in the
UK/Commonwealth/elsewhere and what you are entitled to.
Simon. "
Jerry
>
> "Jerry" <INV...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:4597c4e6$1$97250$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> > snip <
> > Unless we have two people called 'Duncan Heenan' posting to the
> > group, both posting through Tiscali accounts, it's you who is
getting
> > confused! See;
> >
> > news:4596b...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com
> >
>
> Sorry old chap it seems to be you who is confused this time. Your
reference
> above is indeed me, but what was being referred to in that post was
(which
> is not posted by me , but someone ascribed to me) is:
FFS, Duncan, learn to read attributions!
Mr Booth is complaining that the attribution ">> The passport is
somewhat ambiguous;" was attributed to him when in fact a certain Mr
Heenan who actually wrote the comment.
Are you saying that your didn't write the message cited above?
Freddy Fox
"Aldernat" <alde...@ukfsn.org> wrote in message
news:20061231131335.27f98b4a@general...
Oh I am glad, I always thought I was on my own with getting confused!(:-)
freddy
>
> --
> Aldernat
Duncan Booth
> Mr Booth is complaining that the attribution ">> The passport is
> somewhat ambiguous;" was attributed to him when in fact a certain Mr
> Heenan who actually wrote the comment.
It's alright Jerry, no need to be formal, you can call me Duncan (assuming
you don't mind possibly introducing some confusion into the thread). :)
Duncan Heenan
"Jerry" <INV...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
I used the words " The passport is somewhat ambiguous", but not the text
which followed that, and it is that which I referred to.
But have it your own way, Jerry. Have the last word. It seems to be all
you're interested in.
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Jerry
Please learn to read headers and attributions Duncan - then you wound
keep making an utter fool of yourself!
It is quite clear who is saying what, that the comments prefixed by
the single 'greater than' (>) sign were from the other person quoted,
the problem was solely with the comments prefixed with the double
'greater than' (>>) sign and it was quite clear as to what Mr Booth
was complain about.
Alex Heney
<pleasenospamme...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>"Jerry" <INV...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
>news:459471b6$0$97267$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> "Freddy Fox" <fredd...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:HTXkh.17068$v4.1...@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4vinnmF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> > "Freddy Fox" <fredd...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:WpTkh.29594$KT2....@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> >>
>>> >> "David Looser" <david....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:4v0a5vF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> >>> "Anna" <annal...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:1166732974....@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jan Dijkman wrote:
>>> >>>>> (And let's be honest, is Britian really part of a Europe,
>> anyway?) the
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> They don't think so. And it is something they are very proud
>> of.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> Speaking as one of "they" I consider myself very much part of
>> Europe.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't!
>>> >>
>>> > So which continent do you live in then?
>>>
>>> I live in England!
>>>
>>
>> Which is part of Europe, so you are part of Europe, just as someone
>> who lives in the USA is an American - unless they live in Hawaii...!
>>
>Your statement assumes that the place of resident determines one's
>nationality.
There is nothing whatsoever about nationality in the above statements.
--
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Duncan Heenan
news:muagp2dgg9b8hguau...@4ax.com...
"an American" is a generally accepted shorthand term for a Citizen of the
United States of America (as used by their President). Is that not therefore
a term implying Nationality? See also Jerry's post admitting that he had
used that term above in that way.
Duncan Heenan
"Jerry" <INV...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
just leave it alone and stop digging.
It doesn't matter.
Jerry
So why is it that it's only you Duncan who seems to have
miss-understood what originally I said and what I meant? Although the
wording was poor it was not incorrect.
Jerry
>
<snip>
> >
> I've already said you can have the last word, even though it's
wrong, so
> just leave it alone and stop digging.
Duncan doing the "I'm a w*nker impression!