Music does transcend humans!!
Jon Slaughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7IZmRnAo6s
Hans Aberg
> Proof that the overtone series is real!!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7IZmRnAo6s
That is more about rhythm. How about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTlaz4vUfTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0zgQAp7EYw
Hans
Vilen
> Proof that the overtone series is real!!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7IZmRnAo6s
Indeed, it is very interesting. As I understood from searching the web
the bird ( Snowball) made sensation between scholars. They supposed
before that only man possesses the ability of beat induction because
of according experiments even apes don’t. Experiments provoked by
Snowball showed that between birds only few ones do. It indicates that
this ability is provided by some relative simple addition in the brain
structure which happened on last stages of evolution and was not able
to spread on many species. So Dr.Patel(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/
index.php?title=Aniruddh_D._Patel&action=edit&redlink=1) has suggested
that “the capability of both humans and cockatoos to move
synchronously to a rhythmic beat may be a byproduct of a link between
the auditory and motor parts of the brain".
I like to think that case of Snowball doesn’t prove the role of
overtone series in music perception. On the contrary it confirms role
of beat which is derived from sound loudness, hence it connected with
functions of surviving (defense, assault and flight) and apparently
must have great emotional effect on all people. The modern mass music
culture is a proof. Besides the ability of beat indication exist by
species which is able to mimic human speech which sounds determined by
presence of spectral components in definite spectral diapasons. Thus
frequency ratios of these components are not essential and necessary
components are formed from any suitable high overtones by means of
resonances and not from first overtones as for harmony.
Best Regards
Yuri Vilenkin
Jack Campin - bogus address
> overtone series in music perception.
True.
> On the contrary it confirms role of beat which is derived from sound
> loudness, hence it connected with functions of surviving (defense,
> assault and flight) and apparently must have great emotional effect
> on all people.
But not on all organisms - synchronizing with a beat is a very rare
in the animal kingdom. One of the few other examples doesn't
involve sound at all: there's a species of South-East Asian firefly
where the males gather in huge clusters in a tree and all flash their
glowing arses in sync to attract females to it from miles around.
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LJS
All true, but you might want to look at the short study I made and the
discussion leading up to it abouit the relationship of the OTS and
Rhythm. The results of my discussion supports the OTS through the
early centuries of the Western music culture. I am not saying that
Snowball's performance has any direct relationship to this but only
that rhythm and the OTS may not be as unrelated as you seem to think.
Personally, I think that Snowball could be responding only to the
strong beats in the same manner as she (?) might respond to a rhythmic
physical touch stimulus. Her dancing may not have anything to do with
rhythnm at all. Now if I see another bird pecking rhythmically on a
drum and a group of birds dancint to that rhythm, THEN I would be
impressed!
LJS
Danny Schorr
>On the contrary it confirms role
>of beat which is derived from sound loudness, hence it connected with
>functions of surviving (defense, assault and flight) and apparently
>must have great emotional effect on all people.
Come to think of it - why exactly does (did) the Army go to such great
lengths to provide drummers and buglers (sometimes) to accompany soldiers
into battle. I mean, with everything else that needed to be attended to,
there must be *some* advantage to the forces to having musical support.
Maybe just to keep the troops energized?
I haven't ever thought about it before - hence, I never investigated it.
Guess it's off to the google and Wiki to start to see exactly what that's
all about.
Danny
Danny Schorr
Hans Aberg
>> Come to think of it - why exactly does (did) the Army go to such great
>> lengths to provide drummers and buglers (sometimes) to accompany soldiers
>> into battle. I mean, with everything else that needed to be attended to,
>> there must be *some* advantage to the forces to having musical support.
>>
>> Maybe just to keep the troops energized?
I think it was used for military signals in battle, too. Like, if the
general would want a specific group moving here or there, they could be
signaled.
Hans
Danny Schorr
wrote:
i think so, also. The wiki article mentioned that bugles and clarions were
better equipped for that though, since the sound could be heard clearly
over long distances. Probably also a greater variety of 'tunes' for
signalling.
Suddenly I'm in the mood to watch Apocalypse Now again.
Bugle calls and WAGNER TOO!!!
Danny
Hans Aberg
>>>> Come to think of it - why exactly does (did) the Army go to such great
>>>> lengths to provide drummers and buglers (sometimes) to accompany soldiers
>>>> into battle. I mean, with everything else that needed to be attended to,
>>>> there must be *some* advantage to the forces to having musical support.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe just to keep the troops energized?
...
>> general would want a specific group moving here or there, they could be
>> signaled.
> i think so, also. The wiki article mentioned that bugles and clarions were
> better equipped for that though, since the sound could be heard clearly
> over long distances. Probably also a greater variety of 'tunes' for
> signalling.
One of the loudest instruments I have heard is the Zurna, though I do
not know about its military use. But this article says it was used by
the Turkish Ottoman military
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zurna
> Suddenly I'm in the mood to watch Apocalypse Now again.
>
> Bugle calls and WAGNER TOO!!!
I just found <http://xbmc.org/>, another multimedia player (the core is
from MPlayer, but the interface is more TV like).
Hans
LJS
The cadence for marching moved the troops along quicker. Remember the
Phonecian ships with the oars on the side? well they always used a
drummer as well!
LJS
Danny Schorr
>The cadence for marching moved the troops along quicker. Remember the
>Phonecian ships with the oars on the side?
Uhhhh -not particularly ;-)
>
>well they always used a
>drummer as well!
The Google says you are right!
Found some interesting links -
Thanks.
Danny
neo geo
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apparently department stores use music psychologically as well to
stimulate sales. slower songs first, gradually speeding up tempo,
they believe "rev" an individual's desire... also, it is sometimes
used in the workplace for better job performance: concentration,
focus, speed, etc...
now, to figure out what is the advantage of using it when the
corporation keeps you holding on the phone line?
LJS
Maybe you should ask Steve L about that. If I remember correctly (it
has been a long time) that he flat out denied any use of music for
psychological advantage or control. Maybe Steve can set the record
straight if my memory is in err.
LJS
Bohgosity BumaskiL
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(...)
now, to figure out what is the advantage of using it when the
corporation keeps you holding on the phone line?
If you are paying or potentially paying and listening, then entertainment,
even if it does not meet your taste, will make you perceive less time
passing than has actually passed. It is in the vein of "Time Flies when
you're having fun". If you stay on the line, then the business has better
odds of either retaining your custom or getting it. It does not work all
that well if you are already listening to a radio or a recording. It can
work double if one ear is listening to speech.