eighth note with eighth note triplet
Tim923
eighth note triplets in the bass. If it were quarter notes in the treble
I'd be all set. I just couldn't get the feel for it.
Does someone have an example of this? Maybe someone could make a MIDI file.
I no longer have MusicTime and Rhapsody MIDI programs. Tim
tom_k
"Tim923" <tws...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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To accurately perform 3 8ths against 2 8ths, you need to subdivide. That
is, divide each of the regular 8th notes into 3 equal parts (triplet 16ths),
and each of the triplet 8th notes into 2 equal parts ((again, triplet
16ths). It might be represented something like this:
Quarter notes: X X X X
Regular 8ths: |--|--|--|--|--|--|--|--
Triplet 8ths: |-|-|-|-|-|- |-|-|- |-|-|-
(Sorry, but the triplet 8ths are somewhat off - a monospaced font would show
it accurately.)
At any rate, count the subdivisions (triplet 16ths). So the treble part
would be counted 1 and - a, 2 and - a, 3 and - a, etc. with the numbers
representing each 8th, the "and" being the 2nd subdivisions and the "a"
being the 3rd.
The left hand would be counted 1 and, 2 and, 3 and, etc. , again, the
numbers being the triplet 8ths and the "ands" being the subdivisions. Since
all the subdivisions are the same length, each 8th will have a duration of 3
subdivision and each triplet 8th will be 2 subdivisions long.
Once you internalize this, just put them together.
Tom
Joey Goldstein
Was it a jazz piece with a swing rhythm?
If so then it might that the treble clef 1/8s are intended to be played
as swing 1/8s which amount to being the same as 2 tied 1/8 triplets
followed by the 3rd triplet.
1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a | becomes
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & |
[Must be viewed with a fixed space font.]
If it's not a swing 1/8s feel then you might find it helpful to imagine
that the music is in 3/8 with the bass clef triplet part defining the
main pulse. The duration of the treble clef 1/8 notes can then be seen
to be like a series of dotted 1/8s.
1 2 3 4 |1
x x x x x x x x
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & |
Or try to imagine that it's in 3/4 with each of the 1/8 triplets really
being a 1/4 note.
The treble clef rhythm then can then be seen as a string of dotted 1/4
notes.
Hope that's not too confusing.
Try to remember that the treble clef upbeat 1/8s occur right after the
2nd triplet and just before the 3 triplet. That might help too.
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Joey Goldstein
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Jon Slaughter
Play each hand separately until you get it completely in your subconscious.
In fact, mainly work on the triplets as the duplets should come naturally.
You have to get your mind to work separatly and not as one. Once you get the
feel for it then it should come easily. Try playing to a metronome set for
the triplets and then for the duplets. The idea is to get one hand using
"muscle" memory and the other having your mental focus. If you try to focus
doing both at the same time then it's not going to work
Tim923
like. It's a very small file. Get it here:
http://timschmits.freei.me/triplet.mid
If the file doesn't load up, try again later. Sometimes that happens with
this host. Tim
J R Laredo
A rough feel for this rhythm is, in a fast 3/4, quarter-2 eighths-quarter,
ala "Carol of the Bells." Using both hands, tap against a surface like so:
boths hands on the first quarter, left hand first eighth, right hand second
eighth, left hand second quarter. I can't do it but it might help you get
the feel.
LJS
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> "Tim923" <tws0...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
One can also think of West Side Story and the song America. The 6/8
time signature is divided into 3 in one measure and 2 in the next. Put
them together, counting quarter notes on one hand and dotted 8th
notes on the other. With the background of 8th notes. you will have
one hand playing 3 beats and the other playing 3. The only time you
will be playing the hands together is on the 1st beat of the measure..
The resultant rhythm is 2 against 3 and should take only a few moments
to get the feel and then you should have it for life. Be sure to
reverse the hands so that you can do it both ways.
LJS
tom_k
alternating:
Quarter - eighth followed by Eighth - quarter.
No 2 against 3 in this example - just long-short, short-long.
Tom
LJS
> "Tim923" <tws0...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I can't get the file, but your description (4th 8th8th 4th) sounds
like my example but played with the same sounds on both parts. One
part should be 1 2 3 and the other should be 1 (2)+ . (with the (2)
not only being a place holder to show which "and" is being considered.
Orangeboxman
the middle 8th note of the triples in half.
You're playing 2 16th note triplets in the middle, really, but one is
in the other voice. The rest is details.
Bruce Wheeler
If you count the rhythm you just described, it should actually be
quite easy.
1 2 and 3 1 2 and 3 1 etc
It may help to count ('1 2 and 3') and bang the composite rhythm on a
table with just one hand for a while, then the with other hand for a
while (until the composite rhythm has been somewhat internalized).
Then
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 etc
1 and 1 and 1
or in words,
both right right both right right both etc
left both left both
(counting '1 2 and 3' the whole time, or chanting 'both right left
right', until the rhythm is thoroughly internalized). Then speed it up
as appropriate.
It's also good to practice 'both left right left'. That is, triplets
in the left hand and duplets in the right hand.
Regards,
Bruce Wheeler
Tim923
Tim923
each measure in 2/4 time). Email me if you want it: tws...@hotmail.com
Tim
J R Laredo
"LJS" <ljsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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For me it is 3 in right hand and 2 in left, only. No reversing. I am
amazingly uncoordinated.
LJS
LJS
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> "LJS" <ljsche...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Its the same thing when you write out the composite. I know that you
can now do it, so the point is mute for us, but if it is still a
problem for anyone I will point out that as someone said, the 1 2+3
rhythm is a simple way of saying it. In performance, as you count the
syllabels 1 2+3 you play the numbers with one hand and you play the 1
and the + (and) with the other. The result will be precise and easy.
If the student starts slow and continues to repeat this as a very slow
accellerando, they will usually get it in the first session. Then
once they hear and understand it, they will be able to learn to do it
in any musical context.
LJS
Orangeboxman
I gave the answer.
Jon Slaughter
> All please stop making this complicated.
>
> I gave the answer.
'...And god haveth spoken'
Jon Slaughter
Exactly:
x-----------------------| 4th
x-----------x-----------| 8ths
x-----x-----x-----x-----| 16ths
x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--| 32nds
x-------x-------x-------| Triplets
x---x---x---x---x---x---| 2x Triplets (16th triplets)
x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-| 4x Triplets (32th triplets)
So if you try to play 6 notes per beat then the 8ths will line up. Then you
just have to leave certain notes out.
Orangeboxman
Can we just leave 'God' out of this until what I suggest has been
tried?
It IS the simplest suggestion.