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Apr 18, 2012, 4:26:04 PM4/18/12
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Dick Clark, a television host and entrepreneur who sold rock-and-roll
to Middle America on the dance show “American Bandstand” and counted
down the new year with millions of TV viewers as emcee of an annual
celebration in New York's Times Square, died April 18 at a hospital in
Santa Monica, Calif., after a heart attack. He was 82. The death was
confirmed by his publicist, Paul Shefrin.
The seemingly ageless Mr. Clark, with his wholesome appearance and
ever-present grin, was promoted as “America's oldest teenager” and was
among the most powerful arbiters of pop-music taste for 35 years.
He was regarded as a man with an unerring sense of what Americans
wanted to hear and see, and he achieved his greatest renown for an
ability to connect with the tastes of the post-World War II baby boom.
From 1952 to 1987, Mr. Clark hosted various incarnations of “American
Bandstand,” first over the radio in Philadelphia and later on national
television. The program was a sensation because of the prominent role
it gave teenagers — who were always shown clean-cut in jackets, ties
and sweaters — to vote on their favorite song.
Record industry executives paid attention to the young tastemakers,
who were not always perfect in their judgment. The teens in 1963 had
given the Beatles a thumbs down for “She Loves You” and their mop-top
hairdos.
By the show’s 30th anniversary, almost 600,000 teenagers and 10,000
performers had appeared on the program. Among those to make early
national appearances on the show included Buddy Holly, James Brown,
Ike and Tina Turner, and Simon and Garfunkel. Dance crazes such as the
Twist and the Watusi could be traced to the “Bandstand” studio.
“Dick Clark was significant in transforming the record business into
an international industry,” read the citation in 1993 when he was
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The citation went on to
say that “his weekly televised record hops — which predated MTV by 25
years — played an integral role in establishing rock and roll, keeping
it alive and shaping its future.”
Although the citation called him affable and magnetic, critics were
less kind. Washington Post television writer Lawrence Laurent called
him a bland mediocrity, adding Mr. Clark “was final proof that one
need not be handicapped by performing talent to succeed in
television.”
After “American Bandstand” ended its run on ABC in 1987, Mr. Clark
took it into syndication for two years and then handed it over to a
new host, David Hirsch. It went off the air shortly thereafter.
Despite his prominence on-camera, Mr. Clark said the vast majority of
his work was done behind the scenes as a producer.
His self-titled production company was a force behind a slew of made-
for-TV movies, beauty pageants, game shows and awards shows, including
the American Music Awards and the Daytime Emmy and Golden Globe awards
ceremonies. The private equity fund of Washington Redskins owner
Daniel M. Snyder acquired Dick Clark Productions in 2007 for $175
million.
Dick Clark Productions provided ABC with the “New Year's Rockin' Eve”
television spectacular every year since 1972. Mr. Clark had initially
pitched the show as a hipper alternative to the longstanding broadcast
tradition of airing Guy Lombardo's big band playing “Auld Lang Syne”
from New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Mr. Clark drew in audiences
that inaugural year with performances by Three Dog Night, Helen Reddy,
Al Green, and Blood, Sweat and Tears.
Ray Arthur
Dick Clark, a television host and entrepreneur who sold rock-and-roll
to Middle America on the dance show “American Bandstand” and counted
down the new year with millions of TV viewers as emcee of an annual
celebration in New York's Times Square, died April 18 at a hospital in
Santa Monica, Calif., after a heart attack. He was 82. The death was
confirmed by his publicist, Paul Shefrin.
The seemingly ageless Mr. Clark, with his wholesome appearance and
ever-present grin, was promoted as “America's oldest teenager” and was
among the most powerful arbiters of pop-music taste for 35 years.
He was regarded as a man with an unerring sense of what Americans
wanted to hear and see, and he achieved his greatest renown for an
ability to connect with the tastes of the post-World War II baby boom.
From 1952 to 1987, Mr. Clark hosted various incarnations of “American
Bandstand,” first over the radio in Philadelphia and later on national
television. The program was a sensation because of the prominent role
it gave teenagers — who were always shown clean-cut in jackets, ties
and sweaters — to vote on their favorite song.
Record industry executives paid attention to the young tastemakers,
who were not always perfect in their judgment. The teens in 1963 had
given the Beatles a thumbs down for “She Loves You” and their mop-top
hairdos.
By the show’s 30th anniversary, almost 600,000 teenagers and 10,000
performers had appeared on the program. Among those to make early
national appearances on the show included Buddy Holly, James Brown,
Ike and Tina Turner, and Simon and Garfunkel. Dance crazes such as the
Twist and the Watusi could be traced to the “Bandstand” studio.
“Dick Clark was significant in transforming the record business into
an international industry,” read the citation in 1993 when he was
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The citation went on to
say that “his weekly televised record hops — which predated MTV by 25
years — played an integral role in establishing rock and roll, keeping
it alive and shaping its future.”
Although the citation called him affable and magnetic, critics were
less kind. Washington Post television writer Lawrence Laurent called
him a bland mediocrity, adding Mr. Clark “was final proof that one
need not be handicapped by performing talent to succeed in
television.”
After “American Bandstand” ended its run on ABC in 1987, Mr. Clark
took it into syndication for two years and then handed it over to a
new host, David Hirsch. It went off the air shortly thereafter.
Despite his prominence on-camera, Mr. Clark said the vast majority of
his work was done behind the scenes as a producer.
His self-titled production company was a force behind a slew of made-
for-TV movies, beauty pageants, game shows and awards shows, including
the American Music Awards and the Daytime Emmy and Golden Globe awards
ceremonies. The private equity fund of Washington Redskins owner
Daniel M. Snyder acquired Dick Clark Productions in 2007 for $175
million.
Dick Clark Productions provided ABC with the “New Year's Rockin' Eve”
television spectacular every year since 1972. Mr. Clark had initially
pitched the show as a hipper alternative to the longstanding broadcast
tradition of airing Guy Lombardo's big band playing “Auld Lang Syne”
from New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Mr. Clark drew in audiences
that inaugural year with performances by Three Dog Night, Helen Reddy,
Al Green, and Blood, Sweat and Tears.
Ray Arthur
InTheNeighborhood
Apr 18, 2012, 4:41:29 PM4/18/12
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except the latter died before their time. Thanks for the news...
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Apr 19, 2012, 3:03:22 AM4/19/12
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Sonic
Apr 19, 2012, 8:21:10 AM4/19/12
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Clark's biggest contribution to rock n roll was to castrate it by
taking the black and hillbilly right out of it....manipulative, but
masterful business man, by all means.....champion of a bland, wimpy,
whitewashed sub-genre of rock n roll - certainly - guy who went home
at night and threw on some Bo Diddley to relax after a long day of
payola....doubtful.....
taking the black and hillbilly right out of it....manipulative, but
masterful business man, by all means.....champion of a bland, wimpy,
whitewashed sub-genre of rock n roll - certainly - guy who went home
at night and threw on some Bo Diddley to relax after a long day of
payola....doubtful.....
Mark Dintenfass
Apr 19, 2012, 8:38:49 AM4/19/12
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In article
<bb765890-84c0-43b7...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, The
Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
death.
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Roger Ford
Apr 19, 2012, 8:58:13 AM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:38:49 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
<mdint...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>In article
><bb765890-84c0-43b7...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, The
>Bloomfield Bloviator <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The REAL Dick Clark:
>>
>>
>> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862fd9f6e265
>> b563f9eea4b305758
>
>Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
>death.
>
You need to move here.
<mdint...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>In article
><bb765890-84c0-43b7...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, The
>Bloomfield Bloviator <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The REAL Dick Clark:
>>
>>
>> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862fd9f6e265
>> b563f9eea4b305758
>
>Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
>death.
>
Nary a single mention of his death in any of the media here.,not
really suprising since he was always in that band of US personalities
that,like Johnny Carson for example were huge celebrities and very
famous on that side of the pond but were very,very much "Dick who?"
and "Johnny who?" with the guy in the street over here
ROGER FORD
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 19, 2012, 9:03:21 AM4/19/12
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*creation* of rock 'n' roll, by taking all the black and hillbilly
crap out of it.
tr...@iwvisp.com
Apr 19, 2012, 2:39:59 PM4/19/12
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On Apr 19, 5:58 am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:38:49 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
>
> <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:38:49 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
>
> >In article
> ><bb765890-84c0-43b7-9e83-6f0ec76bd...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, The
> >>http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862...
> >> b563f9eea4b305758
>
> >Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
> >death.
>
> You need to move here.
>
> Nary a single mention of his death in any of the media here.,not
> really suprising since he was always in that band of US personalities
> that,like Johnny Carson for example were huge celebrities and very
> famous on that side of the pond but were very,very much "Dick who?"
> and "Johnny who?" with the guy in the street over here
>
> ROGER FORD
BTW, you'll let us know when Johnny Hallyday and Cliff Richard pass,
>
> >Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
> >death.
>
> You need to move here.
>
> Nary a single mention of his death in any of the media here.,not
> really suprising since he was always in that band of US personalities
> that,like Johnny Carson for example were huge celebrities and very
> famous on that side of the pond but were very,very much "Dick who?"
> and "Johnny who?" with the guy in the street over here
>
> ROGER FORD
right :)
Ray Arthur
InTheNeighborhood
Apr 19, 2012, 4:13:07 PM4/19/12
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Well, Mr. Ford...I guess they would know a "household name" of anyone
on British TV who had hosted a show for 25 or 30 years with no
problem, right; and/or had a very deep and abiding cultural impact of
long time that way, eh?
on British TV who had hosted a show for 25 or 30 years with no
problem, right; and/or had a very deep and abiding cultural impact of
long time that way, eh?
Dean F.
Apr 19, 2012, 5:55:58 PM4/19/12
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and didn't "have the most finely-tuned ears for rock 'n' roll."
Mark Dintenfass
Apr 19, 2012, 6:10:52 PM4/19/12
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In article
<fa7b04f5-5864-408d...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
I remember him back in '58 doing a hard sell for "Chanson d'Amour" by
Art and Dottie Todd, calling it "real music that I really like." I
think for once he meant it, as opposed to his doing hard sells for the
likes of Fabian and Frankie Avalon because of his financial interests.
That's basically what he was, a salesman, and he was happy to sell
snake oil along with Chuck Berry as long as both were profitable.
Luckily for his reputation he managed to hang on into the mid-60s when,
for a while, the good stuff was often more profitable than the snake
oil.
<fa7b04f5-5864-408d...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Art and Dottie Todd, calling it "real music that I really like." I
think for once he meant it, as opposed to his doing hard sells for the
likes of Fabian and Frankie Avalon because of his financial interests.
That's basically what he was, a salesman, and he was happy to sell
snake oil along with Chuck Berry as long as both were profitable.
Luckily for his reputation he managed to hang on into the mid-60s when,
for a while, the good stuff was often more profitable than the snake
oil.
Jan Dean
Apr 19, 2012, 9:07:32 PM4/19/12
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The Bloomfield Bloviator wrote:
> The REAL Dick Clark:
>
> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862fd9f6e265b563f9eea4b305758
Is it true that Alan Freed died penniless?
> The REAL Dick Clark:
>
> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862fd9f6e265b563f9eea4b305758
DianeE
Apr 19, 2012, 10:27:45 PM4/19/12
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"The Bloomfield Bloviator" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:bb765890-84c0-43b7...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> The REAL Dick Clark:
>
> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862fd9f6e265b563f9eea4b305758
You don't actually have to *read* this snarky old piece to figure out what
>
> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862fd9f6e265b563f9eea4b305758
it says. He didn't actually like rock & roll but he knew how to make money
out of it. And he cursed when he was off-camera. Shock, horror, fainting.
DianeE
Dean F.
Apr 19, 2012, 11:42:53 PM4/19/12
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On Apr 19, 9:27 pm, "DianeE" <TiredOfS...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:
> You don't actually have to *read* this snarky old piece to figure out what
> it says. He didn't actually like rock & roll but he knew how to make money
> out of it. And he cursed when he was off-camera. Shock, horror, fainting.
I only read the first few paragraphs of that piece. The author came
> You don't actually have to *read* this snarky old piece to figure out what
> it says. He didn't actually like rock & roll but he knew how to make money
> out of it. And he cursed when he was off-camera. Shock, horror, fainting.
across as a petulant, callow fuckwad.
Dean F.
Apr 19, 2012, 10:45:23 PM4/19/12
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On Apr 19, 9:27 pm, "DianeE" <TiredOfS...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:
> You don't actually have to *read* this snarky old piece to figure out what
> it says. He didn't actually like rock & roll but he knew how to make money
> out of it. And he cursed when he was off-camera. Shock, horror, fainting.
I only read the first few paragraphs as I thought the writer came
> it says. He didn't actually like rock & roll but he knew how to make money
> out of it. And he cursed when he was off-camera. Shock, horror, fainting.
across as a callow, petulant douche bag.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 20, 2012, 12:26:12 AM4/20/12
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Roger Ford
Apr 20, 2012, 7:02:08 AM4/20/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:39:59 -0700 (PDT), "tr...@iwvisp.com"
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>On Apr 19, 5:58=A0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:38:49 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
>>
>> <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>> >In article
>> ><bb765890-84c0-43b7-9e83-6f0ec76bd...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, The
>> >Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The REAL Dick Clark:
>>
>> >>http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=3D0f3862=
except to say that he almost certainly rates a zero in the collective
British memory too. And I'm sure his passing will get the same kind
of coverage in the US media as it will here
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>On Apr 19, 5:58=A0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:38:49 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
>>
>> <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>> >In article
>> ><bb765890-84c0-43b7-9e83-6f0ec76bd...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, The
>> >Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The REAL Dick Clark:
>>
>...
>> >> b563f9eea4b305758
>>
>> >Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
>> >death.
>>
>> You need to move here.
>>
>> Nary a single mention of his death in any of the media here.,not
>> really suprising since he was always in that band of US personalities
>> that,like Johnny Carson for example were huge celebrities and very
>> famous on that side of the pond but were very,very much "Dick who?"
>> and "Johnny who?" with the guy in the street over here
>>
>> ROGER FORD
>
>BTW, you'll let us know when Johnny Hallyday and Cliff Richard pass,
>right :)
>
Not quite sure why le francais Johnny Hallyday has cropped up here
>> >> b563f9eea4b305758
>>
>> >Good corrective to the over-the-top tributes in the coverage since his
>> >death.
>>
>> You need to move here.
>>
>> Nary a single mention of his death in any of the media here.,not
>> really suprising since he was always in that band of US personalities
>> that,like Johnny Carson for example were huge celebrities and very
>> famous on that side of the pond but were very,very much "Dick who?"
>> and "Johnny who?" with the guy in the street over here
>>
>> ROGER FORD
>
>BTW, you'll let us know when Johnny Hallyday and Cliff Richard pass,
>right :)
>
except to say that he almost certainly rates a zero in the collective
British memory too. And I'm sure his passing will get the same kind
of coverage in the US media as it will here
Roger Ford
Apr 20, 2012, 7:14:50 AM4/20/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:13:07 -0700 (PDT), InTheNeighborhood
<Phill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Well, Mr. Ford...I guess they would know a "household name" of anyone
>on British TV who had hosted a show for 25 or 30 years with no
>problem, right; and/or had a very deep and abiding cultural impact of
>long time that way, eh?
>
Huh? I'm not sure what your point is here.
<Phill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Well, Mr. Ford...I guess they would know a "household name" of anyone
>on British TV who had hosted a show for 25 or 30 years with no
>problem, right; and/or had a very deep and abiding cultural impact of
>long time that way, eh?
>
Of course the UK public would know a household name from TV here and
the media here would mourn his passing but both the American Dick
Clark and the equally American Johnny Carson had little in the way of
recognition value in this country tho I see there are some local media
reports on Clark's demise today
>On Apr 19, 8:58=A0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>
>>
>> You need to move here.
>>
>> Nary a single mention of his death in any of the media here.,not
>> really suprising since he was always in that band of US personalities
>> that,like Johnny Carson for example were huge celebrities and very
>> famous on that side of the pond but were very,very much "Dick who?"
>> and "Johnny who?" with the guy in the street over here
>>
>> ROGER FORD
>
>
Michael Pendragon
Apr 20, 2012, 9:09:56 AM4/20/12
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> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862...
Let's see ...
Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
Alan Freed played r&b.
Dick Clark made millions.
Alan Freed died penniless.
Go figure.
Let's see ...
Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
Alan Freed played r&b.
Dick Clark made millions.
Alan Freed died penniless.
Go figure.
xpen...@gmail.com
Apr 20, 2012, 12:08:54 PM4/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 19, 3:03 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> The REAL Dick Clark:
>>
>> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862...
>
>Let's see ...
>
>Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
>Alan Freed played r&b.
>
>Dick Clark made millions.
Clark was able to "make millions" only because the US Senate
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 19, 3:03 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> The REAL Dick Clark:
>>
>> http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862...
>
>Let's see ...
>
>Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
>Alan Freed played r&b.
>
>Dick Clark made millions.
subcommittee that was investigating payola bought his bullshit.
Sonic
Apr 20, 2012, 1:23:37 PM4/20/12
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> >Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> >Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> >Dick Clark made millions.
business man than the notorious Morris Levy. In the end, it was a
changing of the guard - the old school mafioso approach to the music
biz versus a much greater business oriented, sophisticated and complex
approach. Dick Clark draws my ire because he did zip for the music he
spun - and admittedly didn't care for, short of lining his pockets for
the sake of doing business. He was receiving payola - but in his mind
it was a more 'proper' business-like way, as opposed to cash here and
there like Free got - and Dick just wouldn't admit he got payola. And
in all these media tributes and farewell articles he's hailed as some
sort of force in the creation and perpetuation of rock n roll - which
is silly.. Let's do the timeline....By 1960 - Chuck goes to prison,
Little quits, Cochran, Valens, Willis, Belvin, Holly and so on - all
dead, Jerry Lee shunned, Elvis in the Army & Hollywood - the Dick
rises (yes, pun intended), Beatles hit America in 1964 - Dick goes
limp again...,there you go....
Michael Pendragon
Apr 20, 2012, 1:19:40 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 12:08 pm, xpene...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 19, 3:03 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> The REAL Dick Clark:
>
> >>http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862...
>
> >Let's see ...
>
> >Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> >Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> >Dick Clark made millions.
>
> Clark was able to "make millions" only because the US Senate
> subcommittee that was investigating payola bought his bullshit.
WRONG!
> >On Apr 19, 3:03 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> The REAL Dick Clark:
>
> >>http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/25168/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=0f3862...
>
> >Let's see ...
>
> >Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> >Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> >Dick Clark made millions.
>
> Clark was able to "make millions" only because the US Senate
> subcommittee that was investigating payola bought his bullshit.
He made millions because he gave the people what they wanted: Frankie
Avalon, Fabian, Bobby Rydell, Connie Francis, Bobby Vee, Paul Anka,
Bobby Darin, Neil Sedaka, Georgia Gibbs, The Diamonds, Joni James, The
Chordettes, The Fontanes, Jerry Vale, Andy Williams, Johnny Mathis,
Cathy Carr, The Poni-Tails, The Crew-Cuts ...
You know, the REAL stuff, baby!
xpen...@gmail.com
Apr 20, 2012, 6:04:14 PM4/20/12
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xpen...@gmail.com
Apr 20, 2012, 6:27:40 PM4/20/12
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have been over. Knowing it Clark quickly divested himself of all his
music related companies. It is well known that cheat artist that
appeared on AB by not paying them appearance fees. What goes around
comes around with him having a stroke at a rather young age.
Dean F.
Apr 20, 2012, 7:58:22 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 8:09 am, Michael Pendragon
Dick Clark played watered-down crap.
Alan Freed was crucified by the government for what was then the
perfectly legal practice of accepting money from the record companies
for playing their product on the air.
Dick Clark did the same thing but was given a pass.
Go figure, indeed.
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> Dick Clark made millions.
> Alan Freed died penniless.
>
> Go figure.
Alan Freed played R&B.
> Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> Dick Clark made millions.
> Alan Freed died penniless.
>
> Go figure.
Dick Clark played watered-down crap.
Alan Freed was crucified by the government for what was then the
perfectly legal practice of accepting money from the record companies
for playing their product on the air.
Dick Clark did the same thing but was given a pass.
Go figure, indeed.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 20, 2012, 11:24:25 PM4/20/12
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gold records in exchange for a 3 minute performance is a good trade.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 20, 2012, 11:35:39 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 7:58 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 8:09 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> > Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> > Dick Clark made millions.
> > Alan Freed died penniless.
>
> > Go figure.
>
> Alan Freed played R&B.
Ghetto dreck.
> On Apr 20, 8:09 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
> > Alan Freed played r&b.
>
> > Dick Clark made millions.
> > Alan Freed died penniless.
>
> > Go figure.
>
> Alan Freed played R&B.
> Dick Clark played watered-down crap.
> Alan Freed was crucified by the government for what was then the
> perfectly legal practice of accepting money from the record companies
> for playing their product on the air.
was obviously slanted. Short of obtaining transcripts of both
hearings, we are in no position to comment.
Personally, I don't care about payola. Perhaps many Americans of 1962
shared my lack of concern. IMO, if Freed were playing music I liked,
I'd listen to him regardless.
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.
Dean F.
Apr 20, 2012, 11:33:12 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 20, 5:27 pm, xpene...@gmail.com wrote:
> If the Committee had treated Clark as they had Freed his career would
> have been over. Knowing it Clark quickly divested himself of all his
> music related companies. It is well known that cheat artist that
> appeared on AB by not paying them appearance fees. What goes around
> comes around with him having a stroke at a rather young age.
Alan Freed was a broadcasting pioneer and a true lover of the music he
> If the Committee had treated Clark as they had Freed his career would
> have been over. Knowing it Clark quickly divested himself of all his
> music related companies. It is well known that cheat artist that
> appeared on AB by not paying them appearance fees. What goes around
> comes around with him having a stroke at a rather young age.
championed.
Dick Clark was a shrewd, manipulative businessman.
It's obvious who was destined to make millions and who would die
penniless.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Apr 21, 2012, 12:13:25 AM4/21/12
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On Apr 20, 11:33 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alan Freed was a broadcasting pioneer and a true lover of the music he
> championed.
>
> Dick Clark was a shrewd, manipulative businessman.
Hold on, Dean,
>
> Alan Freed was a broadcasting pioneer and a true lover of the music he
> championed.
>
> Dick Clark was a shrewd, manipulative businessman.
Freed was just as much of a prick as Clark, he just wasn't as smart of
a businessman, and he was a drunk.
Freed was no true lover of anything but money. If you paid him, he
played covers and other dogshit too. He insaisted on half of the
writer's credit in order to push "Maybellene." He also wanted part of
the publishing in order to promote other things. He was not in the
business because of the music.
Dean F.
Apr 21, 2012, 12:23:23 AM4/21/12
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On Apr 20, 11:13 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hold on, Dean,
>
> Freed was just as much of a prick as Clark, he just wasn't as smart of
> a businessman, and he was a drunk.
I'm aware of that.
> Hold on, Dean,
>
> Freed was just as much of a prick as Clark, he just wasn't as smart of
> a businessman, and he was a drunk.
> Freed was no true lover of anything but money. If you paid him, he
> played covers and other dogshit too. He insaisted on half of the
> writer's credit in order to push "Maybellene." He also wanted part of
> the publishing in order to promote other things. He was not in the
> business because of the music.
grew to appreciate the music that was making him so much money. Was
that not the case?
Michael Pendragon
Apr 21, 2012, 12:25:11 AM4/21/12
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Apr 21, 2012, 12:26:06 AM4/21/12
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On Apr 21, 12:23 am, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
music he championed."
Dean F.
Apr 21, 2012, 1:10:53 AM4/21/12
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On Apr 20, 11:26 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Grew to appreciate" is a lot different from "A true lover of the
> music he championed."
Admittedly, I am given to hyperbole on occasion.
> "Grew to appreciate" is a lot different from "A true lover of the
> music he championed."
Michael Pendragon
Apr 21, 2012, 12:24:26 AM4/21/12
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penniless because of his undying love for the music he championed,
Dean won't let it worry him too much.
xpen...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2012, 5:05:50 PM4/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 20, 7:58 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 8:09 am, Michael Pendragon
>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
>> > Alan Freed played r&b.
>>
>> > Dick Clark made millions.
>> > Alan Freed died penniless.
>>
>> > Go figure.
>>
>> Alan Freed played R&B.
>
>Ghetto dreck.
>
>> Dick Clark played watered-down crap.
>
>Dick Clark played rock 'n' roll.
>
>> Alan Freed was crucified by the government for what was then the
>> perfectly legal practice of accepting money from the record companies
>> for playing their product on the air.
>
>Neither of us were there. The Dick Clark article that Bruce posted
>was obviously slanted. Short of obtaining transcripts of both
>hearings, we are in no position to comment.
Well I was as were several others here were too.
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 20, 7:58 pm, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 8:09 am, Michael Pendragon
>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dick Clark played mainstream rock 'n' roll.
>> > Alan Freed played r&b.
>>
>> > Dick Clark made millions.
>> > Alan Freed died penniless.
>>
>> > Go figure.
>>
>> Alan Freed played R&B.
>
>Ghetto dreck.
>
>> Dick Clark played watered-down crap.
>
>Dick Clark played rock 'n' roll.
>
>> Alan Freed was crucified by the government for what was then the
>> perfectly legal practice of accepting money from the record companies
>> for playing their product on the air.
>
>Neither of us were there. The Dick Clark article that Bruce posted
>was obviously slanted. Short of obtaining transcripts of both
>hearings, we are in no position to comment.
>
>Personally, I don't care about payola. Perhaps many Americans of 1962
>shared my lack of concern. IMO, if Freed were playing music I liked,
>I'd listen to him regardless.
The hearings were held in 1960.
>Personally, I don't care about payola. Perhaps many Americans of 1962
>shared my lack of concern. IMO, if Freed were playing music I liked,
>I'd listen to him regardless.
Alan Freed, a disc jockey and early supporter of rock and roll (and
also widely credited for actually coining the term), had his career
and reputation greatly harmed by a payola scandal. Dick Clark's early
career was nearly derailed by a payola scandal, but he avoided trouble
by selling his stake in a record company and cooperating with
authorities.
tr...@iwvisp.com
Apr 21, 2012, 6:36:35 PM4/21/12
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Ray Arthur
Tim
Apr 21, 2012, 9:58:23 PM4/21/12
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> <fa7b04f5-5864-408d-af68-8a8c2b0bd...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Dean F. <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 7:21 am, Sonic <mattmast...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Clark's biggest contribution to rock n roll was to castrate it by
> > > taking the black and hillbilly right out of it....manipulative, but
> > > masterful business man, by all means.....champion of a bland, wimpy,
> > > whitewashed sub-genre of rock n roll - certainly - guy who went home
> > > at night and threw on some Bo Diddley to relax after a long day of
> > > payola....doubtful.....
>
> > Actually, by his own admission, Clark preferred Easy Listening music
> > and didn't "have the most finely-tuned ears for rock 'n' roll."
>
> I remember him back in '58 doing a hard sell for "Chanson d'Amour" by
> Art and Dottie Todd, calling it "real music that I really like." I
> think for once he meant it, as opposed to his doing hard sells for the
> likes of Fabian and Frankie Avalon because of his financial interests.
> That's basically what he was, a salesman, and he was happy to sell
> snake oil along with Chuck Berry as long as both were profitable.
> Luckily for his reputation he managed to hang on into the mid-60s when,
> for a while, the good stuff was often more profitable than the snake
> oil.
>
> --
> --md
> _________
> Remove xx's from address to reply
Snake oil maybe, Beatles oil, no way!!
>
> Dean F. <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 7:21 am, Sonic <mattmast...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Clark's biggest contribution to rock n roll was to castrate it by
> > > taking the black and hillbilly right out of it....manipulative, but
> > > masterful business man, by all means.....champion of a bland, wimpy,
> > > whitewashed sub-genre of rock n roll - certainly - guy who went home
> > > at night and threw on some Bo Diddley to relax after a long day of
> > > payola....doubtful.....
>
> > Actually, by his own admission, Clark preferred Easy Listening music
> > and didn't "have the most finely-tuned ears for rock 'n' roll."
>
> I remember him back in '58 doing a hard sell for "Chanson d'Amour" by
> Art and Dottie Todd, calling it "real music that I really like." I
> think for once he meant it, as opposed to his doing hard sells for the
> likes of Fabian and Frankie Avalon because of his financial interests.
> That's basically what he was, a salesman, and he was happy to sell
> snake oil along with Chuck Berry as long as both were profitable.
> Luckily for his reputation he managed to hang on into the mid-60s when,
> for a while, the good stuff was often more profitable than the snake
> oil.
>
> --
> --md
> _________
> Remove xx's from address to reply
Snake oil maybe, Beatles oil, no way!!
Michael Pendragon
Apr 21, 2012, 11:10:39 PM4/21/12
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Ken Whiton
Apr 22, 2012, 4:51:16 AM4/22/12
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*-* On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, at 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT),
*-* In Article
<95a6e4a1-6271-4ed8...@z3g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
*-* Michael Pendragon wrote
*-* About Re: Dick Clark, Dead at 82
> On Apr 20, 12:08 pm, xpene...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>> Dick Clark made millions.
>> Clark was able to "make millions" only because the US Senate
>> subcommittee that was investigating payola bought his bullshit.
> WRONG!
> He made millions because he gave the people what they wanted:
> Frankie Avalon, Fabian, Bobby Rydell, Connie Francis, Bobby Vee,
> Paul Anka, Bobby Darin, Neil Sedaka, Georgia Gibbs,
You're getting a little carried away there, Mike. Georgia Gibbs
had 30 records appear on the Billboard pop chart. Only one of those
occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the national scene when ABC
picked up American Bandstand for national distribution. That hardly
qualifies as giving "the people what they wanted".
> The Diamonds,
> Joni James,
Joni James had 31 records appear on the Billboard pop chart.
Only seven of those occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the national
scene. That's a little better than Georgia Gibbs, but it still hardly
qualifies as giving "the people what they wanted".
> The Chordettes, The Fontanes,
The Fontane Sisters had 49 records appear on the Billboard pop
chart. Only two of those occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the
national scene. Again, that hardly qualifies as giving "the people
what they wanted".
> Jerry Vale, Andy Williams,
> Johnny Mathis, Cathy Carr,
Cathy Carr had only 4 records appear on the Billboard pop chart.
That hardly qualifies as "what [the people] wanted", IMO.
> The Poni-Tails,
The Poni-Tails had only 3 records appear on the Billboard pop
chart. Again, that hardly qualifies as "what [the people] wanted",
IMO.
> The Crew-Cuts ...
The Crew-Cuts had 11 records appear on the Billboard pop chart,
none of which occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the national
scene. Again, that hardly qualifies as giving "the people what they
wanted".
> You know, the REAL stuff, baby!
That's your distorted opinion, not fact.
Ken Whiton
--
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InterNet: kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)
*-* In Article
<95a6e4a1-6271-4ed8...@z3g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
*-* Michael Pendragon wrote
*-* About Re: Dick Clark, Dead at 82
> On Apr 20, 12:08 pm, xpene...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dick Clark made millions.
>> Clark was able to "make millions" only because the US Senate
>> subcommittee that was investigating payola bought his bullshit.
> WRONG!
> He made millions because he gave the people what they wanted:
> Frankie Avalon, Fabian, Bobby Rydell, Connie Francis, Bobby Vee,
> Paul Anka, Bobby Darin, Neil Sedaka, Georgia Gibbs,
had 30 records appear on the Billboard pop chart. Only one of those
occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the national scene when ABC
picked up American Bandstand for national distribution. That hardly
qualifies as giving "the people what they wanted".
> The Diamonds,
> Joni James,
Joni James had 31 records appear on the Billboard pop chart.
Only seven of those occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the national
scene. That's a little better than Georgia Gibbs, but it still hardly
qualifies as giving "the people what they wanted".
> The Chordettes, The Fontanes,
The Fontane Sisters had 49 records appear on the Billboard pop
chart. Only two of those occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the
national scene. Again, that hardly qualifies as giving "the people
what they wanted".
> Jerry Vale, Andy Williams,
> Johnny Mathis, Cathy Carr,
That hardly qualifies as "what [the people] wanted", IMO.
> The Poni-Tails,
The Poni-Tails had only 3 records appear on the Billboard pop
chart. Again, that hardly qualifies as "what [the people] wanted",
IMO.
> The Crew-Cuts ...
The Crew-Cuts had 11 records appear on the Billboard pop chart,
none of which occurred after Dick Clark appeared on the national
scene. Again, that hardly qualifies as giving "the people what they
wanted".
> You know, the REAL stuff, baby!
Ken Whiton
--
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InterNet: kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)
Ken Whiton
Apr 22, 2012, 4:55:58 AM4/22/12
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*-* On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, at 20:35:39 -0700 (PDT),
*-* In Article
<000afba4-fbef-43d9...@er9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.
I never thought I'd see the day when you agreed with Bruce on
anything. :-D
*-* In Article
<000afba4-fbef-43d9...@er9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
*-* Michael Pendragon wrote
*-* About Re: Dick Clark, Dead at 82
[ ... ]
*-* About Re: Dick Clark, Dead at 82
> THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.
anything. :-D
xpen...@gmail.com
Apr 22, 2012, 10:10:12 AM4/22/12
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>
>Ray Arthur
Michael Pendragon
Apr 23, 2012, 9:28:23 AM4/23/12
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On Apr 22, 4:51 am, Ken Whiton <kenwhi...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote:
> *-* On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, at 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT),
> *-* In Article
> <95a6e4a1-6271-4ed8-95ca-d46999643...@z3g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> *-* On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, at 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT),
> *-* In Article
appeared on American Bandstand during Dick Clark's first two years
there.
Since you admit that most had at least 1 record on the charts after
DC's ascension to AB, we can assume that this record was probably
featured. That alone would signify that he was giving the people what
they wanted.
However, a more accurate gauge would be AB's ratings. The immense
popularity of the show would have to be based, to a large extent, upon
the popularity of the artists that it featured.
> > You know, the REAL stuff, baby!
>
> That's your distorted opinion, not fact.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 23, 2012, 9:29:50 AM4/23/12
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On Apr 22, 4:55 am, Ken Whiton <kenwhi...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote:
> *-* On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, at 20:35:39 -0700 (PDT),
> *-* In Article
> <000afba4-fbef-43d9-a836-c9c71a189...@er9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> *-* On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, at 20:35:39 -0700 (PDT),
> *-* In Article
> *-* Michael Pendragon wrote
> *-* About Re: Dick Clark, Dead at 82
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.
>
> I never thought I'd see the day when you agreed with Bruce on
> anything. :-D
Bruce and I have agreed on many occasions. We even share an
> *-* About Re: Dick Clark, Dead at 82
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.
>
> I never thought I'd see the day when you agreed with Bruce on
> anything. :-D
appreciation for some of the same records -- like Neil Diamond's
"Solitary Man."
xpen...@gmail.com
Apr 30, 2012, 5:31:12 PM4/30/12
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:26:04 -0700 (PDT), "tr...@iwvisp.com"
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>Dick Clark Productions provided ABC with the “New Year's Rockin' Eve”
>television spectacular every year since 1972. Mr. Clark had initially
>pitched the show as a hipper alternative to the longstanding broadcast
>tradition of airing Guy Lombardo's big band playing “Auld Lang Syne”
>from New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Mr. Clark drew in audiences
>that inaugural year with performances by Three Dog Night, Helen Reddy,
>Al Green, and Blood, Sweat and Tears.
^^^^^^^^^
<tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>Dick Clark Productions provided ABC with the “New Year's Rockin' Eve”
>television spectacular every year since 1972. Mr. Clark had initially
>pitched the show as a hipper alternative to the longstanding broadcast
>tradition of airing Guy Lombardo's big band playing “Auld Lang Syne”
>from New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Mr. Clark drew in audiences
>that inaugural year with performances by Three Dog Night, Helen Reddy,
>Al Green, and Blood, Sweat and Tears.
^^^^^^^^^
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