1970's - My Top 100 (with comments)
SavoyBG
Christmas" by Kenny Williams (1973) goes into the list at # 82, with everything
after that dropping one slot.
I'm gonna re-post the list, with comments this time.
101 ¦ Video Killed The Radio Star ¦ Buggles
Had to drop it out of the top 100, but it's still a great bridge from the 70's
into the 80's.
100 ¦ London Calling ¦ Clash
"Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust."
99 ¦ Dirty Water ¦ Inmates
"London, you're my home." Standells version was # 28 on my 1966 list.
98 ¦ Let's Stay Together ¦ Al Green
Green is overrated a bit in my book. Every one of his hits sounds the same. I'm
a huge R & B fan, but more in the 50's and 60's than in the 70's or 80's.
97 ¦ Born To Be Alive ¦ Patrick Hernandez
The only disco record on the list. I hated disco in the early days ('74 to '76)
and didn't like it much after that, but this grew on me in my DJing days in the
80's.
96 ¦ Clean Up Woman ¦ Betty Wright
Love her attitude AND her accent.
95 ¦ Black Dog ¦ Led Zeppelin
This group was bigger than God with the kids I went to high school with.
94 ¦ Have You Ever Seen The Rain ¦ CCR
If you could count Fogerty solo, CCR, and the Blue Ridge Rangers all as one
artist, it would definitely be my top artist of the deacde.
93 ¦ The Fire Down Below ¦ Bob Seger
A couple of his other records are very good, but this is the one that I like
best.
92 ¦ Midnight Train To Georgia ¦ Gladys Knight & Pips
Who did the original again? Think it was a white guy, and the train was
heading somewhere else besides Georgia.
91 ¦ Black Betty ¦ Ram Jam
Leadbelly turned into a rock classic.
90 ¦ Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep ¦ Mac & Katie Kissoon
Not my usual taste, but I always loved this for some reason.
89 ¦ Mercy Mercy Me ¦ Marvin Gaye
Puts me back in 1971.
88 ¦ A Horse With No Name ¦ America
Good line from Dean....."Name the fucking horse!!!"
87 ¦ Heart Of Gold ¦ Neil Young
Simple, but infectious.
86 ¦ Straight Lines ¦ New Musik
Forerunner of the big synth pop records of the early 80's.
85 ¦ The Wall ¦ John Fogerty
Very weak for my favorite song of the year, but 1975 was an exceedingly weak
year.
84 ¦ Train In Vain ¦ Clash
What's the title all about?
83 ¦ Rock Billy Boogie ¦ Robert Gordon
Good remake of the Johnny Burnette Trio classic that was # 51 on my 1957 list.
82 ¦ Old Fashioned Christmas ¦ Kenny Williams
This was the house Christmas song for all the years that I worked at Relic
Records in Hackensack, NJ. Great vocal group in the background featuring J.R.
Bailey.
81 ¦ That Same Thing ¦ George Thorogood
Good reading on the Muddy Waters clasic that was # 4 on my 1964 list, and # 19
on my top 100 of the 1960's.
80 ¦ One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer ¦ George Thorogood
It's actually a medley of two John Lee Hooker songs, "House Rent Boogie" is the
first hal of the record, followed by "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer."
79 ¦ Think (About It) ¦ Lyn Collins
Funk classic, also big in the discos.
78 ¦ Right Place, Wrong Time ¦ Dr. John
Didn't like this that much when it came out, but it's gotten better over the
years.
77 ¦ Blue Turk ¦ Alice Cooper
Maybe I should reconsider on this being here, given that Todd T. Clark loves it
:-)..........SHIT!!!! I forgot all the Sun Ra records.
76 ¦ Rapper's Delight ¦ Sugarhill Gang
First big rap record, recorded in Englewood, NJ, they had a big fire in the
building there about 6 months ago.
75 ¦ Your Precious Love ¦ Linda Jones
She actually was remaking the Oscar Toney Jr. version from 1967. If you want to
hear an emotion packed delivery, look for this.
74 ¦ Have You Seen Her ¦ Chi-Lites
"Sweet music on the radio."
73 ¦ Son Of My Father ¦ Giorgio
Again, not typical of the stuff that I usually like, but somehow this one hit
me.
72 ¦ Everybody Knows About My Good Thing ¦ Little Johnny Taylor
The whole town knows that his wife is screwing every guy who comes around.
71 ¦ Cocaine ¦ Eric Clapton
Never was interested in lyrics. If I was I wouldn't like this.
70 ¦ Back Of My Hand ¦ Jags
Huge new wave dance record in the early 1980's.
69 ¦ Cool For Cats ¦ Squeeze
Like that cockney accent.
68 ¦ Rebel Rebel (LP Version) ¦ David Bowie
As some of you may know, the 45 version of this was totally different than the
album version. It was about a minute shorter, and had all sorts of extra stuff
going on the background that was not on the album version. I went back and
forth on it for a while, but I settles on the longer, more straight forward,
album version as the better version.
67 ¦ Carry On ¦ CSNY
One of the first albums that I ever owned, and I loved this.
66 ¦ Turn Back The Hands Of Time ¦ Tyrone Davis
Wish I could sometimes.
65 ¦ Natural High ¦ Bloodstone
Soul classic.
64 ¦ Do Ya ¦ ELO
Like this better tha the Move version which was # 50 on my 1972 list.
63 ¦ Come And Get Your Love ¦ Redbone
Tood T. Clark's favorite native American rock group (I think).
62 ¦ Baby Hold On ¦ Grass Roots
Group was big favorite of mine from 1967 through 1970.
61 ¦ What I Like About You ¦ Romantics
This was THE biggest dance rock record during my DJ days (1979 through 1996).
60 ¦ Sheena Is A Punk Rocker ¦ Ramones
At least Joey was handsome :-)
59 ¦ Madness ¦ Madness
Even bought the album this was on.
58 ¦ Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee ¦ Jerry Lee Lewis
Good remake of the 1949 Sticks McGhee classic that's in my top ten for the
1940's. The Johnny Burnette Trio version is # 98 on my all time top 100 list.
57 ¦ Long Train Running ¦ Doobie Brothers
Their best BY FAR!!!!
56 ¦ Love Train ¦ O'Jays
Glad these guys finally had some big time success starting in 1972.
55 ¦ Do You Know What I Mean ¦ Lee Michaels
Lotta albums, only this one good record.
54 ¦ Domino ¦ Van Morrison
"Just wanna hear some...rhythm and blues music...on the radio."
53 ¦ Truckin' ¦ Grateful Dead
I was not all that interested in the Dead, but this was an anthem.
52 ¦ Don't Let The Green Grass Fool You ¦ Wilson Pickett
The Spinners jazzed up version is good too.
51 ¦ I Don't Wanna Be Right ¦ Luther Ingram
Better known as "If Lovin' You Is Wrong," this is the epitome of a great
lowdown southern soul ballad from this era.
50 ¦ Whatcha See Is Whatcha Get ¦ Dramatics
Great stereo mix on this.
49 ¦ Mr. Big Stuff ¦ Jean Knight
Killer soul classic, one of the best "woman telling the man off" records of all
time.
48 ¦ Tell Me Something Good ¦ Rufus
The two best things that Stevie Wonder ever wrote are both on this list, and
both are not done by Stevie himself.
47 ¦ Lonely Days ¦ Bee Gees
Unique record, not usually what I would like, but it sounds great to me still.
46 ¦ Love Grows ¦ Edison Lighthouse
Again, not my usual tastes.
45 ¦ Woodstock ¦ CSNY
One of the anthems of the day.
44 ¦ All Right Now ¦ Free
Amazing how many of these rock records from the early 70's are now being used
in TV commercials. I like the 45 version much better than the album version.
It's not just an edit either, it's a totally different take.
43 ¦ Money ¦ Pink Floyd
Always reminded me of "Green Onions," which was # 2 for me in 1962.
42 ¦ Heart Of Glass ¦ Blondie
Another one not typical of my taste. Debbie Harry used to do my mother's nails
at a beauty parlor she worked at in New Jersey in the early 70's.
41 ¦ Keeper Of The Castle ¦ Four Tops
Probably my favorite by them, either this or "I'll Turn To Stone."
40 ¦ The Jean Genie ¦ David Bowie
Definitely my favorite by him.
39 ¦ Blitzkreig Bop ¦ Ramones
Another one that's in a commercial right now.
38 ¦ Just My Imagination ¦ Temptations
This was humungous immediately when it came out in January 1971.
37 ¦ 5-10-15-20 (25-30 Years Of Love) ¦ Presidents
Winter of 70-71, great.
36 ¦ Get Up....Sex Machine ¦ James Brown
Believe it or not, I never heard this in 1970, or if I did I changed the
station to somewhere else. This was not my sound back then. Funk clasic that
was one of the biggest records in the early days of disco.
35 ¦ I'll Take You There ¦ Staple Singers
Still packs the dance floor with a Black crowd.
34 ¦ I Hear You Knocking ¦ Dave Edmunds
At this time (late 1970, early 1971) I had no idea who these people were that
he mentions on the record (Fats Domino, Huey Smith, Smiley Lewis), but they
eventually becamse some of my all time favorite artists. The original Smiley
Lewis version was # 45 on my 1955 list, and the Fats Domino version was # 94 on
my top 100 of the 1960's. The other kids didn't understand why I liked this so
much.
33 ¦ Flying Saucer Rock And Roll ¦ Robert Gordon
Excellent remake of the Billy Riley Sun clasic which was # 22 on my 1957 list.
Saw him a few times, he was with Link Wray at this time. Saw him once at a
small show at NYU where Springsteen joined him on stage. Prof. Longhair was the
opening act.
32 ¦ Family Affair ¦ Sly & The Family Stone
This has steadily grown on me over the years. Thought it was okay backk then,
but now it's a lot better than that.
31 ¦ Locomotive Breath ¦ Jethro Tull
Was not even aware of this record until it was released on a single in like
1976.
30 ¦ You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet ¦ Bachman Turner Overdrive
Always thought this was great, although "Takin' Care Of Business" was the
bigger record with the AOR crowd.
29 ¦ Rocky Mountain High ¦ John Denver
Again, not my usual type of record. I hated some of his other hits.
28 ¦ She's Not Just Another Woman ¦ Eighth Day
Supposedly it's the same group members as 100 Proof Aged In Soul.
27 ¦ Madison Blues ¦ George Thorogood
Great remake of an Elmore James cut from 1960 that didn't get released until
many years later. The EJ version was # 30 on my top 100 of the 1960's.
26 ¦ You Make Me Real ¦ Doors
This was the side in 1970, it got up to # 18 on WABC in New York. I never heard
the flip (Roadhouse Blues) until a few years later.
25 ¦ It's A Shame ¦ Spinners
Here's the other great Stevie Wonder song.
24 ¦ Give It To Me ¦ J. Geils Band
Went crazy over this at the time. Don't like the LP version at all, you gotta
have the 45 on this.
23 ¦ Pump It Up ¦ Elvis Costello
The critics loved this guy back then, I just loved this one gtreat slice of
energy.
22 ¦ What's Going On ¦ Marvin Gaye
His best record.
21 ¦ Brown Sugar ¦ Rolling Stones
Took this for granted back then, but it's steadily grown bigger with me over
the years. When I was DJing I would sometimes speed it up a bit to make it more
danceable.
20 ¦ Ooby Dooby ¦ CCR
First of four consecutibe great remakes on the list. The Roy Orbison Sun
version was # 41 on my 1956 list.
19 ¦ Jambalaya ¦ Blue Ridge Rangers
Loved this then and still do. The original Hank Williams version was # 14 on my
1952 list.
18 ¦ Get Ready ¦ Rare Earth
This is definitely the best version. The Temps version was # 89 on my 1966
list.
17 ¦ Red Hot ¦ Robert Gordon
This one is very close with the Billy Riley Sun versin that was # 24 on my 1957
list. The original was by Billy Emerson.
16 ¦ Draggin' The Line ¦ Tommy James
Tommy did several records that were favorites of mine.
15 ¦ The South's Gonna Do It ¦ Charlie Daniels Band
Hated "Uneasy Rider" and "The Devil Went Down To Georgia," but loved this
motherfucker.
14 ¦ Move It On Over ¦ George Thorogood
Another great remake, it was # 1 on my 1947 list by Hank Williams.
13 ¦ The Walk ¦ Inmates
I like this better than the Jimmy McCracklin original, which was # 63 on my
1958 list.
12 ¦ Westbound # 9 ¦ Flaming Ember
The best blue eyed soul record ever IMO. They look like a bunch of hippies on
the album cover.
11 ¦ Before You Accuse Me ¦ CCR
Great remake of one of my all time favorite records by Bo Diddley, it was # 4
for me on my 1957 list.
10 ¦ Who Do You Love ¦ George Thorogood
Another great remake of a Bo Diddley classic, it was # 82 on my 1956 list.
9 ¦ Can't Get Enough ¦ Bad Company
I know people considered them metal back then, and if they are, it's my
favorite metal record.
8 ¦ Travelin' Band ¦ CCR
Did a bee line for the record store when I heard this. Bought it with the
picture sleeve at Alexanders.
7 ¦ Boppin' The Blues ¦ Carl Perkins & NRBQ
I actually like this better than Carl's own Sun version which was # 34 on my
1956 list.
6 ¦ Roadhouse Blues ¦ Doors
Killer party record late at night during my DJ career.
5 ¦ Love Her Madly ¦ Doors
My favorite by them.
4 ¦ Let's Work Together ¦ Canned Heat
Cover version of the Wilbert Harrison record from a few months earlier (late
1969), this was my favorite record in 1970 at the time, and it still is.
3 ¦ Ride On Josephine ¦ George Thorogood
THis is the third Bo Diddley remake in the top eleven, but this one is
definitely better than the original version IMO.
2 ¦ We Were Both Wrong ¦ Dave Edmunds
Edmunds trying to sound like Elvis on Sun.
1 ¦ Doing It To Death ¦ Fred Wesley & J.B.'s
Barely knew this in the 70's, but now it's easily my favorite record of the
decade. James Brown with an all time screamer. One of the greatest party
records of all time with the right shaded crowd :-)
Bruce Grossberg
Sharktfy
"SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030113141816...@mb-mk.aol.com...
Great record.
>
> 95 ¦ Black Dog ¦ Led Zeppelin
>
> This group was bigger than God with the kids I went to high school
with.
>
> 94 ¦ Have You Ever Seen The Rain ¦ CCR
>
> If you could count Fogerty solo, CCR, and the Blue Ridge Rangers all
as one
> artist, it would definitely be my top artist of the deacde.
>
> 93 ¦ The Fire Down Below ¦ Bob Seger
>
> A couple of his other records are very good, but this is the one that
I like
> best.
Bit of Trivia: One of the tracks on this album, Night Moves, was such a
direct lift of a Frankie Miller song that I assume it was a settlement
that he recorded the 'original' on his next album. The song was, I
think, The Fire Down Below. The Frankie Miller song was Ain't Got No
Money.
>
> 92 ¦ Midnight Train To Georgia ¦ Gladys Knight & Pips
>
> Who did the original again? Think it was a white guy, and the train
was
> heading somewhere else besides Georgia.
Jim Weatherly - Midnight Train To Houston. Cissy Houston also recorded
it.
Yep.
>
> 73 ¦ Son Of My Father ¦ Giorgio
>
> Again, not typical of the stuff that I usually like, but somehow this
one hit
> me.
>
> 72 ¦ Everybody Knows About My Good Thing ¦ Little Johnny Taylor
>
> The whole town knows that his wife is screwing every guy who comes
around.
Outstanding artist.
Great record.
>
> 62 ¦ Baby Hold On ¦ Grass Roots
>
> Group was big favorite of mine from 1967 through 1970.
>
> 61 ¦ What I Like About You ¦ Romantics
>
> This was THE biggest dance rock record during my DJ days (1979 through
1996).
>
> 60 ¦ Sheena Is A Punk Rocker ¦ Ramones
>
> At least Joey was handsome :-)
Their best.
Featuring Chaka Khan.
Amazing group. I've got an MP3 of Mavis & BeBe Winans doing Oh Happy
Day.
>
> 34 ¦ I Hear You Knocking ¦ Dave Edmunds
>
> At this time (late 1970, early 1971) I had no idea who these people
were that
> he mentions on the record (Fats Domino, Huey Smith, Smiley Lewis), but
they
> eventually becamse some of my all time favorite artists. The original
Smiley
> Lewis version was # 45 on my 1955 list, and the Fats Domino version
was # 94 on
> my top 100 of the 1960's. The other kids didn't understand why I liked
this so
> much.
Always liked this.
>
> 33 ¦ Flying Saucer Rock And Roll ¦ Robert Gordon
>
> Excellent remake of the Billy Riley Sun clasic which was # 22 on my
1957 list.
> Saw him a few times, he was with Link Wray at this time. Saw him once
at a
> small show at NYU where Springsteen joined him on stage. Prof.
Longhair was the
> opening act.
>
> 32 ¦ Family Affair ¦ Sly & The Family Stone
>
> This has steadily grown on me over the years. Thought it was okay
backk then,
> but now it's a lot better than that.
Always preferred Stay.
Good list mate.
--
Sharktfy
Listening to: Frankie Miller - Ain't Got No Money(of course!)
Brett A. Pasternack
> 97 ¦ Born To Be Alive ¦ Patrick Hernandez
>
> The only disco record on the list. I hated disco in the early days ('74 to '76)
> and didn't like it much after that, but this grew on me in my DJing days in the
> 80's.
I agree completely...one of my favorite disco records, and it might well
be the only on my own top 100 if I ever get around to doing one. Some
modern rock band should remake this.
> 90 ¦ Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep ¦ Mac & Katie Kissoon
>
> Not my usual taste, but I always loved this for some reason.
I think I've mentioned here in the past how much I like this one.
> 88 ¦ A Horse With No Name ¦ America
>
> Good line from Dean....."Name the fucking horse!!!"
That whole bit Dean posted was an old Sam Kinison routine.
> 84 ¦ Train In Vain ¦ Clash
>
> What's the title all about?
Other than showing respect to a classic single by not calling it "Stand
By Me", I have no idea. Funnily enough, I like this song better than the
Ben E. King record in question.
> 76 ¦ Rapper's Delight ¦ Sugarhill Gang
>
> First big rap record, recorded in Englewood, NJ, they had a big fire in the
> building there about 6 months ago.
"We don't mean to brag, we don't mean to boast, but we like hot butter
on our breakfast toast."
> 70 ¦ Back Of My Hand ¦ Jags
>
> Huge new wave dance record in the early 1980's.
Very good choice. An overlooked gem.
> 61 ¦ What I Like About You ¦ Romantics
>
> This was THE biggest dance rock record during my DJ days (1979 through 1996).
The number of times I needed to hear this song ran out sometime around
1985.
> 53 ¦ Truckin' ¦ Grateful Dead
>
> I was not all that interested in the Dead, but this was an anthem.
I have never had much use for the Dead's endless jamming, but they do
have some fine singles.
> 47 ¦ Lonely Days ¦ Bee Gees
>
> Unique record, not usually what I would like, but it sounds great to me still.
Great record. I love the early Bee Gees stuff.
> 46 ¦ Love Grows ¦ Edison Lighthouse
>
> Again, not my usual tastes.
I love this to death.
> 44 ¦ All Right Now ¦ Free
>
> Amazing how many of these rock records from the early 70's are now being used
> in TV commercials. I like the 45 version much better than the album version.
> It's not just an edit either, it's a totally different take.
Yuck. A lot of the AOR staples that you name are songs that I've been
burnt out on for a long time.
> 30 ¦ You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet ¦ Bachman Turner Overdrive
>
> Always thought this was great, although "Takin' Care Of Business" was the
> bigger record with the AOR crowd.
Have you ever heard Burton Cummings' very funny version of this song?
> 18 ¦ Get Ready ¦ Rare Earth
>
> This is definitely the best version. The Temps version was # 89 on my 1966
> list.
I prefer the Tempts' version.
> 12 ¦ Westbound # 9 ¦ Flaming Ember
>
> The best blue eyed soul record ever IMO. They look like a bunch of hippies on
> the album cover.
Fine choice.
> 3 ¦ Ride On Josephine ¦ George Thorogood
>
> THis is the third Bo Diddley remake in the top eleven, but this one is
> definitely better than the original version IMO.
Would you say that the high proportion of remakes of older songs near
the top of your list indicates that the 70s don't measure up to the
earlier period in your view?
SavoyBG
>Other than showing respect to a classic single by not calling it "Stand
>By Me", I have no idea. Funnily enough, I like this song better than the
>Ben E. King record in question.
Me too. I don't see what's so great about the Ben E. King record, it's just
average to me. "Spanish Harlem" is way better.
Bruce Grossberg
SavoyBG
>"We don't mean to brag, we don't mean to boast, but we like hot butter
>on our breakfast toast."
That other guy can't satisfy you with his little worm, but I can .....with my
super sperm
Bruce Grossberg
SavoyBG
>Would you say that the high proportion of remakes of older songs near
>the top of your list indicates that the 70s don't measure up to the
>earlier period in your view?
No doubt about it. My top 100 of all time contains 94 rrecords from the 50's, 4
from the 60's and 2 from the 40's.
My favorite sound is the R & B, blues and rockabilly from 1952 through 1957,
and I like a lot of the records where people are emulating that sound.
At the time I was first hearing a lot of the 70's records I did not even know
the 50's records that they were immitating, I just always liked that sound,
starting with CCR in 1969.
Bruce Grossberg
Frank Bender
> Just found a record that I forgot to include on this list. "Old Fashioned
> Christmas" by Kenny Williams (1973) goes into the list at # 82, with everything
> after that dropping one slot.
>
> I'm gonna re-post the list, with comments this time.
>
>
> Had to drop it out of the top 100, but it's still a great bridge from the 70's
> into the 80's.
also, the first video shown on MTV
>
> 100 Ś London Calling Ś Clash
>
> "Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust."
great song. one of my all time favorite Punk tunes.
>
> 99 Ś Dirty Water Ś Inmates
>
> "London, you're my home." Standells version was # 28 on my 1966 list.
It made #2 on my 1966 list.
>
> 98 Ś Let's Stay Together Ś Al Green
>
> Green is overrated a bit in my book. Every one of his hits sounds the same. I'm
> a huge R & B fan, but more in the 50's and 60's than in the 70's or 80's.
>
> 97 Ś Born To Be Alive Ś Patrick Hernandez
>
> The only disco record on the list. I hated disco in the early days ('74 to '76)
and I hated it even in '79.
> and didn't like it much after that, but this grew on me in my DJing days in the
> 80's.
where did you DJ at?
>
> 96 Ś Clean Up Woman Ś Betty Wright
>
> Love her attitude AND her accent.
>
> 95 Ś Black Dog Ś Led Zeppelin
>
> This group was bigger than God with the kids I went to high school with.
overplayed but not as much as some other Zep tunes.
>
> 94 Ś Have You Ever Seen The Rain Ś CCR
>
> If you could count Fogerty solo, CCR, and the Blue Ridge Rangers all as one
> artist, it would definitely be my top artist of the deacde.
>
> 93 Ś The Fire Down Below Ś Bob Seger
>
> A couple of his other records are very good, but this is the one that I like
> best.
>
> 92 Ś Midnight Train To Georgia Ś Gladys Knight & Pips
>
> Who did the original again? Think it was a white guy, and the train was
> heading somewhere else besides Georgia.
>
> 91 Ś Black Betty Ś Ram Jam
>
> Leadbelly turned into a rock classic.
>
> 90 Ś Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep Ś Mac & Katie Kissoon
>
> Not my usual taste, but I always loved this for some reason.
for some reason I cannot recall this. how high did it chart and when?
>
> 89 Ś Mercy Mercy Me Ś Marvin Gaye
>
> Puts me back in 1971.
>
> 88 Ś A Horse With No Name Ś America
>
> Good line from Dean....."Name the fucking horse!!!"
put me to sleep.
>
> 87 Ś Heart Of Gold Ś Neil Young
>
> Simple, but infectious.
not his best. Cinnamon Girl and Ohio should be on your list if this
is.
>
> 86 Ś Straight Lines Ś New Musik
>
> Forerunner of the big synth pop records of the early 80's.
>
> 85 Ś The Wall Ś John Fogerty
>
> Very weak for my favorite song of the year, but 1975 was an exceedingly weak
> year.
>
> 84 Ś Train In Vain Ś Clash
>
> What's the title all about?
you got me. it was actually the flip to London Calling. as it turned
out some stations preferred to play this instead of the true A side
"London Calling" to be on the safe side.
>
> 83 Ś Rock Billy Boogie Ś Robert Gordon
>
> Good remake of the Johnny Burnette Trio classic that was # 51 on my 1957 list.
>
> 82 Ś Old Fashioned Christmas Ś Kenny Williams
>
> This was the house Christmas song for all the years that I worked at Relic
> Records in Hackensack, NJ. Great vocal group in the background featuring J.R.
> Bailey.
>
> 81 Ś That Same Thing Ś George Thorogood
>
> Good reading on the Muddy Waters clasic that was # 4 on my 1964 list, and # 19
> on my top 100 of the 1960's.
>
> 80 Ś One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer Ś George Thorogood
>
> It's actually a medley of two John Lee Hooker songs, "House Rent Boogie" is the
> first hal of the record, followed by "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer."
>
> 79 Ś Think (About It) Ś Lyn Collins
>
> Funk classic, also big in the discos.
>
> 78 Ś Right Place, Wrong Time Ś Dr. John
>
> Didn't like this that much when it came out, but it's gotten better over the
> years.
great song. I can definitely identify with it.
>
> 77 Ś Blue Turk Ś Alice Cooper
>
> Maybe I should reconsider on this being here, given that Todd T. Clark loves it
> :-)..........SHIT!!!! I forgot all the Sun Ra records.
>
> 76 Ś Rapper's Delight Ś Sugarhill Gang
>
> First big rap record, recorded in Englewood, NJ, they had a big fire in the
> building there about 6 months ago.
>
> 75 Ś Your Precious Love Ś Linda Jones
>
> She actually was remaking the Oscar Toney Jr. version from 1967. If you want to
> hear an emotion packed delivery, look for this.
>
> 74 Ś Have You Seen Her Ś Chi-Lites
>
> "Sweet music on the radio."
>
> 73 Ś Son Of My Father Ś Giorgio
>
> Again, not typical of the stuff that I usually like, but somehow this one hit
> me.
>
> 72 Ś Everybody Knows About My Good Thing Ś Little Johnny Taylor
>
> The whole town knows that his wife is screwing every guy who comes around.
>
> 71 Ś Cocaine Ś Eric Clapton
>
> Never was interested in lyrics. If I was I wouldn't like this.
very monotonous
>
> 70 Ś Back Of My Hand Ś Jags
>
> Huge new wave dance record in the early 1980's.
>
> 69 Ś Cool For Cats Ś Squeeze
>
> Like that cockney accent.
great song. the first time I heard Squeeze.
>
> 68 Ś Rebel Rebel (LP Version) Ś David Bowie
now you're talkin!
>
> As some of you may know, the 45 version of this was totally different than the
> album version. It was about a minute shorter, and had all sorts of extra stuff
> going on the background that was not on the album version. I went back and
> forth on it for a while, but I settles on the longer, more straight forward,
> album version as the better version.
>
> 67 Ś Carry On Ś CSNY
>
> One of the first albums that I ever owned, and I loved this.
from Deja Vu. this and Country Girl were the two best tracks.
>
> 66 Ś Turn Back The Hands Of Time Ś Tyrone Davis
>
> Wish I could sometimes.
>
> 65 Ś Natural High Ś Bloodstone
>
> Soul classic.
>
> 64 Ś Do Ya Ś ELO
>
> Like this better tha the Move version which was # 50 on my 1972 list.
>
> 63 Ś Come And Get Your Love Ś Redbone
>
> Tood T. Clark's favorite native American rock group (I think).
>
> 62 Ś Baby Hold On Ś Grass Roots
>
> Group was big favorite of mine from 1967 through 1970.
>
> 61 Ś What I Like About You Ś Romantics
>
> This was THE biggest dance rock record during my DJ days (1979 through 1996).
I thought this was released in 1980.
well, great classic anyway.
>
> 60 Ś Sheena Is A Punk Rocker Ś Ramones
>
> At least Joey was handsome :-)
anything by the Ramones should be among this list including I wanna be
Sedated.
>
> 59 Ś Madness Ś Madness
>
> Even bought the album this was on.
>
> 58 Ś Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee Ś Jerry Lee Lewis
>
> Good remake of the 1949 Sticks McGhee classic that's in my top ten for the
> 1940's. The Johnny Burnette Trio version is # 98 on my all time top 100 list.
>
> 57 Ś Long Train Running Ś Doobie Brothers
>
> Their best BY FAR!!!!
>
> 56 Ś Love Train Ś O'Jays
>
> Glad these guys finally had some big time success starting in 1972.
>
> 55 Ś Do You Know What I Mean Ś Lee Michaels
>
> Lotta albums, only this one good record.
great Blues Rock hit. "been 14 days since I don't know when.. I just
saw her with my best friend. you know what I mean.. Lord you know what
I mean!"
>
> 54 Ś Domino Ś Van Morrison
>
> "Just wanna hear some...rhythm and blues music...on the radio."
>
> 53 Ś Truckin' Ś Grateful Dead
>
> I was not all that interested in the Dead, but this was an anthem.
the only thing I liked by them was Uncle Johns Band
>
> 52 Ś Don't Let The Green Grass Fool You Ś Wilson Pickett
>
> The Spinners jazzed up version is good too.
>
> 51 Ś I Don't Wanna Be Right Ś Luther Ingram
>
> Better known as "If Lovin' You Is Wrong," this is the epitome of a great
> lowdown southern soul ballad from this era.
>
> 50 Ś Whatcha See Is Whatcha Get Ś Dramatics
>
> Great stereo mix on this.
>
> 49 Ś Mr. Big Stuff Ś Jean Knight
>
> Killer soul classic, one of the best "woman telling the man off" records of all
> time.
>
> 48 Ś Tell Me Something Good Ś Rufus
>
> The two best things that Stevie Wonder ever wrote are both on this list, and
> both are not done by Stevie himself.
>
> 47 Ś Lonely Days Ś Bee Gees
>
> Unique record, not usually what I would like, but it sounds great to me still.
>
> 46 Ś Love Grows Ś Edison Lighthouse
>
> Again, not my usual tastes.
bubblegum
>
> 45 Ś Woodstock Ś CSNY
>
> One of the anthems of the day.
>
> 44 Ś All Right Now Ś Free
>
> Amazing how many of these rock records from the early 70's are now being used
> in TV commercials. I like the 45 version much better than the album version.
> It's not just an edit either, it's a totally different take.
I am tired of hearing this on classic rock/oldies station.
>
> 43 Ś Money Ś Pink Floyd
>
> Always reminded me of "Green Onions," which was # 2 for me in 1962.
I think Dark Side of the Moon is one of the best albums of all time.
I recall one dj getting in trouble for playing the unedited version of
this.
>
> 42 Ś Heart Of Glass Ś Blondie
>
> Another one not typical of my taste. Debbie Harry used to do my mother's nails
> at a beauty parlor she worked at in New Jersey in the early 70's.
actually she was in another band so this must of been her second job
then.
>
> 41 Ś Keeper Of The Castle Ś Four Tops
>
> Probably my favorite by them, either this or "I'll Turn To Stone."
>
> 40 Ś The Jean Genie Ś David Bowie
>
> Definitely my favorite by him.
>
> 39 Ś Blitzkreig Bop Ś Ramones
>
> Another one that's in a commercial right now.
>
> 38 Ś Just My Imagination Ś Temptations
>
> This was humungous immediately when it came out in January 1971.
>
> 37 Ś 5-10-15-20 (25-30 Years Of Love) Ś Presidents
>
> Winter of 70-71, great.
>
> 36 Ś Get Up....Sex Machine Ś James Brown
>
> Believe it or not, I never heard this in 1970, or if I did I changed the
> station to somewhere else. This was not my sound back then. Funk clasic that
> was one of the biggest records in the early days of disco.
>
> 35 Ś I'll Take You There Ś Staple Singers
>
> Still packs the dance floor with a Black crowd.
>
> 34 Ś I Hear You Knocking Ś Dave Edmunds
>
> At this time (late 1970, early 1971) I had no idea who these people were that
> he mentions on the record (Fats Domino, Huey Smith, Smiley Lewis), but they
> eventually becamse some of my all time favorite artists. The original Smiley
> Lewis version was # 45 on my 1955 list, and the Fats Domino version was # 94 on
> my top 100 of the 1960's. The other kids didn't understand why I liked this so
> much.
>
> 33 Ś Flying Saucer Rock And Roll Ś Robert Gordon
>
> Excellent remake of the Billy Riley Sun clasic which was # 22 on my 1957 list.
> Saw him a few times, he was with Link Wray at this time. Saw him once at a
> small show at NYU where Springsteen joined him on stage. Prof. Longhair was the
> opening act.
>
> 32 Ś Family Affair Ś Sly & The Family Stone
>
> This has steadily grown on me over the years. Thought it was okay backk then,
> but now it's a lot better than that.
>
> 31 Ś Locomotive Breath Ś Jethro Tull
>
> Was not even aware of this record until it was released on a single in like
> 1976.
Six years ahead on you on that one. I bought the Aqualung album. was
1970 I believe.
>
> 30 Ś You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet Ś Bachman Turner Overdrive
>
> Always thought this was great, although "Takin' Care Of Business" was the
> bigger record with the AOR crowd.
>
> 29 Ś Rocky Mountain High Ś John Denver
>
> Again, not my usual type of record. I hated some of his other hits.
>
> 28 Ś She's Not Just Another Woman Ś Eighth Day
>
> Supposedly it's the same group members as 100 Proof Aged In Soul.
>
> 27 Ś Madison Blues Ś George Thorogood
>
> Great remake of an Elmore James cut from 1960 that didn't get released until
> many years later. The EJ version was # 30 on my top 100 of the 1960's.
>
> 26 Ś You Make Me Real Ś Doors
>
> This was the side in 1970, it got up to # 18 on WABC in New York. I never heard
> the flip (Roadhouse Blues) until a few years later.
WPLJ used to play it.
>
> 25 Ś It's A Shame Ś Spinners
>
> Here's the other great Stevie Wonder song.
>
> 24 Ś Give It To Me Ś J. Geils Band
>
> Went crazy over this at the time. Don't like the LP version at all, you gotta
> have the 45 on this.
>
> 23 Ś Pump It Up Ś Elvis Costello
>
> The critics loved this guy back then, I just loved this one gtreat slice of
> energy.
>
> 22 Ś What's Going On Ś Marvin Gaye
>
> His best record.
>
> 21 Ś Brown Sugar Ś Rolling Stones
>
> Took this for granted back then, but it's steadily grown bigger with me over
> the years. When I was DJing I would sometimes speed it up a bit to make it more
> danceable.
Wild Horses is better.
>
> 20 Ś Ooby Dooby Ś CCR
>
> First of four consecutibe great remakes on the list. The Roy Orbison Sun
> version was # 41 on my 1956 list.
>
> 19 Ś Jambalaya Ś Blue Ridge Rangers
>
> Loved this then and still do. The original Hank Williams version was # 14 on my
> 1952 list.
>
> 18 Ś Get Ready Ś Rare Earth
>
> This is definitely the best version. The Temps version was # 89 on my 1966
> list.
>
> 17 Ś Red Hot Ś Robert Gordon
>
> This one is very close with the Billy Riley Sun versin that was # 24 on my 1957
> list. The original was by Billy Emerson.
>
> 16 Ś Draggin' The Line Ś Tommy James
>
> Tommy did several records that were favorites of mine.
>
> 15 Ś The South's Gonna Do It Ś Charlie Daniels Band
>
> Hated "Uneasy Rider" and "The Devil Went Down To Georgia," but loved this
> motherfucker.
never cared much for Southern Rock. I guess coming South might of had
something to do with that.
>
> 14 Ś Move It On Over Ś George Thorogood
>
> Another great remake, it was # 1 on my 1947 list by Hank Williams.
>
> 13 Ś The Walk Ś Inmates
>
> I like this better than the Jimmy McCracklin original, which was # 63 on my
> 1958 list.
>
> 12 Ś Westbound # 9 Ś Flaming Ember
>
> The best blue eyed soul record ever IMO. They look like a bunch of hippies on
> the album cover.
>
> 11 Ś Before You Accuse Me Ś CCR
>
> Great remake of one of my all time favorite records by Bo Diddley, it was # 4
> for me on my 1957 list.
>
> 10 Ś Who Do You Love Ś George Thorogood
>
> Another great remake of a Bo Diddley classic, it was # 82 on my 1956 list.
this is possitively one of his best recordings. I like this over Bad
with the bone and his other hits.
>
> 9 Ś Can't Get Enough Ś Bad Company
>
> I know people considered them metal back then, and if they are, it's my
> favorite metal record.
no, we just called it Led Zeppelin wanna be music.
>
> 8 Ś Travelin' Band Ś CCR
>
> Did a bee line for the record store when I heard this. Bought it with the
> picture sleeve at Alexanders.
>
> 7 Ś Boppin' The Blues Ś Carl Perkins & NRBQ
>
> I actually like this better than Carl's own Sun version which was # 34 on my
> 1956 list.
>
> 6 Ś Roadhouse Blues Ś Doors
>
> Killer party record late at night during my DJ career.
>
> 5 Ś Love Her Madly Ś Doors
>
> My favorite by them.
at least you didn't pick the dreadful La Woman.
>
> 4 Ś Let's Work Together Ś Canned Heat
>
> Cover version of the Wilbert Harrison record from a few months earlier (late
> 1969), this was my favorite record in 1970 at the time, and it still is.
>
> 3 Ś Ride On Josephine Ś George Thorogood
>
> THis is the third Bo Diddley remake in the top eleven, but this one is
> definitely better than the original version IMO.
>
> 2 Ś We Were Both Wrong Ś Dave Edmunds
>
> Edmunds trying to sound like Elvis on Sun.
>
> 1 Ś Doing It To Death Ś Fred Wesley & J.B.'s
>
> Barely knew this in the 70's, but now it's easily my favorite record of the
> decade. James Brown with an all time screamer. One of the greatest party
> records of all time with the right shaded crowd :-)
Never heard it.
what about ..?
Long cool Woman in a black dress-Hollies
Dream On-Aerosmith
Just What I needed-The Cars
I wanna be sedated-The Ramones
Rock n' Roll highschool=The Ramones
Walk This Way-Aerosmith
Back in saddle again-Aerosmith
One Way or Another-Blondie
Paranoid-Black Sabbath
I Want you to want me-Cheap Trick
Surrender-Cheap Trick
Crazy on you-Heart
Baracuda-Heart
and the best song of the 1970s:
Don't Fear the Reaper-Blue Oyster Cult
(well, at least you didn't pick Stairway to Heaven)
:)
FB
>
>
>
> Bruce Grossberg
SavoyBG
>where did you DJ at?
Several clubs in NJ, and the bottom of NY state.
Bruce Grossberg
SavoyBG
>90 Ś Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep Ś Mac & Katie Kissoon
>for some reason I cannot recall this. how high did it chart and when?
1971, it got up to # 20. The refrain is "Where's your mama gone, little baby
Juan."
Bruce Grossberg
SavoyBG
>what about ..?
>Long cool Woman in a black dress-Hollies
# 22 on my 1972 list.
>Dream On-Aerosmith
Hate all those power ballads.
>Just What I needed-The Cars
Not bad.
>I wanna be sedated-The Ramones
Very good, it was huge when I was DJing.
>Rock n' Roll highschool=The Ramones
Another good one.
>Walk This Way-Aerosmith
Considered it, but it didn't quite make the list.
>Back in saddle again-Aerosmith
Not my style.
>One Way or Another-Blondie
Pretty good.
>Paranoid-Black Sabbath
Didn't even make my 1970 list.
>I Want you to want me-Cheap Trick
>Surrender-Cheap Trick
Surrender is good, the other one is boring.
>Crazy on you-Heart
>Baracuda-Heart
I liiked "Magic Man" best, but it wasn't near making the list.
>and the best song of the 1970s:
>
>Don't Fear the Reaper-Blue Oyster Cult
Not bad.
Bruce Grossberg
Sharktfy
I checked a couple of lyrics sites and they have it as "little baby
bird" I re-listened to the Lally Stott version and I swear it's "little
baby doll." Will check further.
--
Sharktfy
Listening to:Downtown Train - Rod Stewart
SavoyBG
>I checked a couple of lyrics sites and they have it as "little baby
>bird" I re-listened to the Lally Stott version and I swear it's "little
>baby doll." Will check further.
I'm not really sure, I thought for a while that it was "little baby boy."
Bruce Grossberg
Sharktfy
Me too, and also "little baby one."
--
Sharktfy
Listening to:Eminem - Stan
Greg Ioannou
"SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
> 57 ¦ Long Train Running ¦ Doobie Brothers
>
> Their best BY FAR!!!!
I much prefer Black Water -- virtually the only Doobies song I like.
> 47 ¦ Lonely Days ¦ Bee Gees
>
> Unique record, not usually what I would like, but it sounds great to me
still.
There's quite a lot going on in the song, and everything works. My favourite
Bee Gees single.
> 44 ¦ All Right Now ¦ Free
>
> Amazing how many of these rock records from the early 70's are now being
used
> in TV commercials. I like the 45 version much better than the album
version.
> It's not just an edit either, it's a totally different take.
Agreed -- I heard the single on the radio and went out and bought the album.
I was really disappointed in the album version.
> 43 ¦ Money ¦ Pink Floyd
>
> Always reminded me of "Green Onions," which was # 2 for me in 1962.
This is the song that turned me off Pink Floyd forever. They'd been such an
unusual and interesting band until then. When I first heard this I couldn't
believe it was really the Floyd. RIP.
> 34 ¦ I Hear You Knocking ¦ Dave Edmunds
>
> At this time (late 1970, early 1971) I had no idea who these people were
that
> he mentions on the record (Fats Domino, Huey Smith, Smiley Lewis), but
they
> eventually becamse some of my all time favorite artists. The original
Smiley
> Lewis version was # 45 on my 1955 list, and the Fats Domino version was #
94 on
> my top 100 of the 1960's. The other kids didn't understand why I liked
this so
> much.
Hard to imagine anyone NOT liking it.
Greg
JeffC
"Sharktfy" <sp...@sharks.net.nz> wrote in message
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>
>
> Good list mate.
Fercrissakes, did ya think if ya didn't copy all 500 lines of his post we
wouldn't know what list you were talkin about?
Sharktfy
"JeffC" <jcon...@nc.rr.take.out.com> wrote in message
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Settle down, big fella. I interspersed my comments. If I'd taken out the
list you wouldn't have known what tracks I was referring to.
--
Sharktfy
Listening to:Frankie Miller - Just A Song.
JeffC
> >
> > Fercrissakes, did ya think if ya didn't copy all 500 lines of his post
> we
> > wouldn't know what list you were talkin about?
>
> Settle down, big fella. I interspersed my comments. If I'd taken out the
> list you wouldn't have known what tracks I was referring to.
Sorry, I missed that.
Sharktfy
No worries mate.
--
Sharktfy
Listening to: Stones - Memory Motel
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> 63 Ś Come And Get Your Love Ś Redbone
>
> Todd T. Clark's favorite Native American rock group (I think).
Certainly for the 1970s, they are. Pat and Lolly Vegas and their various
hand-picked sidemen were great Mothers Of Invention level studio
musicians. They really shine on their long instrumental jams on their
album cuts. I didn't always care for some of their more pop oriented
vocal arrangements, though.
The other main 1970s native rock band XIT (on Motown Records) had
this same problem. On some songs, they sound like the Partridge Family
backed by Pink Floyd.
Additional Native American recording artists I listen to a lot are:
Aztlan Underground (Chicano)
Blackfire (Dine)
Brule (Lakota)
Buffy Sainte-Marie (Cree)
Carlos Chavez (Mexica)
Carlos Santana (Chicano)
Debora Iyall [Romeo Void] (Cowlitz)
Indigenous (Lakota)
Jack Dejohnette (Blackfoot)
Jesse Ed Davis (Kiowa)
Jimi Hendrix (Tsalagi)
Jimmy Carl Black [The Mothers Of Invention] (Tsalagi)
Joanne Shenandoah (Oneida)
John Trudell (Santee)
Johnny Cash (Tsalagi-Mohawk)
Jorge Reyes (Mexica)
Joy Harjo (Muskogee)
Link Wray (Shawnee)
Peter LaFarge (Nargaset-Tewa)
R. Carlos Nakai (Dine-Ute)
Red Thunder (Lakota)
Robbie Robertson [The Band] (Mohawk)
Robert Mirabal (Taos Pueblo)
Robert Tree Cody (Maricopa-Dakota)
Russell Means (Lakota)
Sepultura (Xavantes)
Silvestre Revueltas (Maya)
The Fire This Time (Caribbean)
Xavier Quijas Yxayotl (Huichol)
Yma Sumac (Inka)
Zack De La Rocha [Rage Against The Machine] (Chicano)
Question: Does anyone have any sources of information on Native American
ancestry for Al Jourgensen [Ministry] (Taino?), Edgar & Johnny Winter, Patti
Smith (Comanche?), and/or Joey Ramone?
Also: Other Native American listening suggestions much appreciated.
- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
- - - -
"Because I identify with my Indian background, my creative
expression has been enhanced and extended to others."
- - Louis W. Ballard
SavoyBG
This reminds me of my father, always pointing out to me when some famous person
was Jewish.
WHO CARES?
Why should you be so interested in native American artists, just because you
happen to be native American?
To the point even of checking out the backgrounds of all these people.
To me their ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to music.
Bruce Grossberg
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> This reminds me of my father, always pointing out to me when some
> famous person was Jewish.
Perhaps you father had pride in his culture?
> WHO CARES?
You may not, but obviously the people who maintain or vist this site do:
> Why should you be so interested in native American artists, just because
> you happen to be native American?
Why should I not be?
I like to listen to lyrics that explore indigenous issues, and I like to
listen to
music that has native instruments, timbres, scales, and rhythms. Even if
I were not native, I would still like it, as it is a very important part of
the
American experience.
When it comes to making my own favorites lists, I don't limit myself to ONLY
American Indian music. My lists are always multicultural.
> To me their ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to music.
It all depends on the personal preference of each individual artist whether
they make note of it themselves or not. Some native musicians actively write
about native topics, and others like Crystal Gayle, Shania Twain, and Willie
Nelson never seem to.
- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
- - -
"The guiding set of aesthetics in Native American art is
inextricably tied to a shared concept of nature and a belief
that life exists in things others might see as inanimate."
- - W. Richard West
SavoyBG
>You may not, but obviously the people who maintain or vist this site do:
>
>
>http://www.nativecelebs.com/
So anytime there's a website about a subject, that makes it worthwhile?
There's plenty of websites about how the holocaust was a myth, about White
surpemacy etc...
This obesession that people have with their race and ethnicity often leads to
extremists like this.
> Why should you be so interested in native American artists, just because
>> you happen to be native American?
>
>
>Why should I not be?
You shouldn't be any more interested than you are in music made by any other
ethnic group. It's the sound of the music that's imortant, not the ethnic
makeup of the musician.
>I like to listen to lyrics that explore indigenous issues, and I like to
>listen to
>music that has native instruments, timbres, scales, and rhythms. Even if
>I were not native, I would still like it, as it is a very important part of
>the
>American experience.
Doubtful. I'm sure there lots of things that are a bigger part of the American
experience that you don't like.
>When it comes to making my own favorites lists, I don't limit myself to ONLY
>American Indian music. My lists are always multicultural.
But you limit them to national origin, which is just as wrong.
>I like to listen to lyrics that explore indigenous issues,
Well we differ here, I could not care less about lyrics.
Bruce Grossberg
Eric A Holeman
SavoyBG <sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>To me their ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to music.
Why is it relevant if they're black or not, but not relevant if they're NativeAm
or not?
--
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PRowan9262
>they make note of it themselves or not. Some native musicians actively write
>about native topics, and others like Crystal Gayle, Shania Twain, and Willie
>Nelson never seem to.
What indigenous topics are there really to the Native American experience other
than squaw cheese, buffalo shit, and white man's dominance?
That stuff is too old......too earthy......and too dreary!!
Not a damn happy sensibility to be unearthed in all those years of retrograde
civilization and mystical mind fuckin'!!!
Listen.... If you want to wallow in the fact that the hungry Hongros of Europe
came in here and handed out some good old fashion ass-whuppin hegemony on ya,
well......I'm sorry!!!
If you want to sit out in an old remote Oklahoma wig- wam and wring your
indigenous hands about it.......that is your prerogative but don't expect
anybody to buy in to this "back to basics" crap as any kind of musical
celebration!!!
We gave you all whiskey, Custer's ass on a spear, and casinos!!!
Your indigenous roots trace back over Berengia and into Northern-ass Asia
anyway!!!
Sing a song of Old Siberia and get back to us on that, Tammy!!!
Dennis C from Tennessee
SavoyBG
>Why is it relevant if they're black or not, but not relevant if they're
>NativeAm
>or not?
>
It's not relevant if they're black. I don't seek out every Black musician to
see what their music sounds like. Check my 70's lists, there's more white stuff
than black stuff.
It's relevant when I see people who exclude almost all Black music. There's a
lot of people in this group who listen almost exclusively to white music,
whether that's a conscius decisoon or not, I don't know, but I'm sure that it
is with some people.
In my many years in the record business and the DJ business I've encountered
many white people who specifically have told me that they don't like (in their
words) "nigger" music.
I've also heard soul, R & B, funk etc referred to as "pig" music, "jungle"
music, "ghetto" music, etc.....
I've had club owners that I worked for order me not to play any "nigger" music.
Bruce Grossberg
SavoyBG
> We gave you all whiskey, Custer's ass on a spear, and casinos!!!
Dennis, I'd keep my eye on the sky if I were you!!!
Todd may just smoke signal a bunch of his brave budies and bring them on the
warpath in a bee line towards Knoxville!!!
> Your indigenous roots trace back over Berengia and into Northern-ass Asia
>anyway!!!
Is that true?
You mean all of this "Native American" stuff is really a farce?
Bruce Grossberg
Eric A Holeman
SavoyBG <sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>It's not relevant if they're black. I don't seek out every Black musician to
>see what their music sounds like. Check my 70's lists, there's more white stuff
>than black stuff.
How am I supposed to know who's black and who's not just by looking at the lists?
:-)
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> What indigenous topics are there really to the Native American experience
> other than squaw cheese, buffalo shit, and white man's dominance?
Perhaps no one has ever bothered to inform you that the word "squaw"
translates to mean "cunt" and is just as offensive. Or perhaps you just
don't care if you use sexist degrading language against native women.
As to topics on the clash of cultures, here is a list my family compiled:
Aboriginal arts & music versus Eurocentric arts & music
American Indian democracy versus republican democracy
Ancestral reverence versus grave desecration
Artistic consciousness versus commercial consciousness
Autochthonal architecture versus Eurocentric architecture
Bartering of goods and services versus corporate capitalism
Bison herding versus cattle herding
Bonding with animals versus captivity of animals
Civil liberties for children versus status as minors
Communal consciousness versus individual possessiveness
Cooperative learning versus individual testing
Cultural approval of long hair versus short hair
Ecological technology versus industrial devastation
Empowerment of women versus degradation of women
Extended family versus nuclear family
Genuine patriotism versus blindly pledging allegiance
Geographical spirituality versus universal conversion
Guerrilla military tactics versus regimented military tactics
Homeopathic medicines versus patented medicines
Indigenous spirituality versus judeo-christianity
Lacrosse and tlachtli versus football and baseball
Matrilineal descent versus patrilineal descent
Mesoamerican constellations versus Greek zodiac
Natural native nutrition versus imported food crops
Neutral earth tones versus bright circus colors
Organic agriculture versus commercial farming
Pantheism versus anthropomorphic deism
Positive child rearing versus corporal punishment
Primal time versus linear time
Prolonged breast-feeding versus baby formula
Public nudity versus body shame
Respect for elders versus personal care homes
Restorative justice versus the prison industry
Reverse acculturation verses Eurocentric acculturation
Sexual diversity verses sexual conformity
Spiritual awareness versus material obsession
Total immersion freedom schools versus governmental schools
Visionary exploration versus psychiatric repression
> That stuff is too old......too earthy......and too dreary!!
It may be easy for you to dismiss as something only in the past, but Native
Americans are still experiencing a hemisphere-wide holocaust that began
in 1492 and shows no significant signs of abating anytime soon.
> If you want to sit out in an old remote Oklahoma wig-wam and wring your
> indigenous hands about it, that is your prerogative...
Pennsylvania is part of my ancestral homeland, and that is exactly where
I intend to stay. And our traditional architecture here is a longhouse.
> ... but don't expect anybody to buy in to this "back to basics" crap as
any
> kind of musical celebration!!!
Native American music is just as valid as any other type of music.
> Your indigenous roots trace back over Berengia and into Northern-ass
> Asia anyway!!!
Not true.
The Bering Strait theory is under attack from numerous sources.
We've had many long discussions refuting it over on alt.native for years.
I suggest for a start that you read:
"American Genesis: The American Indian And The Origins Of Modern Man"
by Jeffrey Goodman (1981)
"Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans And The Myth Of Scientific Fact "
by Vine Deloria (1995)
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
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Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"Racism in America against Indian people is so institutionalized and
pervasive as to be almost unrecognizable."
- - Russell Means
Bill Bugge
>
> Native Americans are still experiencing a hemisphere-wide holocaust
> that began in 1492 and shows no significant signs of abating anytime
> soon.
>
In your Native American fervor, you cheapen the horror of the Holocaust and
insult Jews everywhere.
What a crock!!!
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> It's the sound of the music that's important, not the ethnic makeup of the
> musician.
I actually agree with you on this, which is why I also listen to the
following
artists, who are non-natives that play music in a native style (even though
I know other American Indians who refuse to buy or play their recordings):
Coyote Oldman
David And Steve Gordon
David Arkenstone
Dik Darnell
Douglas Spotted Eagle
Jonathan Elias
Laurie Anderson
Michael Stearns
Neil Young
Peter Buffett
Philip Glass
Rusty Crutcher
Steve Roach
Steve Van Zant
The Doors
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
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Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"We are all brothers and sisters. That includes every living thing, the
green things, the winged of the earth, the four-legged, the things that
crawl and swim, the mountains, the streams, the rain, the clouds."
- - Russell Means
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
>> Todd Tamanend Clark wrote:
>>
>> Native Americans are still experiencing a hemisphere-wide holocaust
>> that began in 1492 and shows no significant signs of abating anytime
>> soon.
>
> In your Native American fervor, you cheapen the horror of the Holocaust
> and insult Jews everywhere.
There have been many holocausts throughout history. And no matter what
ethnic group they were perpetrated against, they were just as wrong.
If you deny our holocaust, you are the immoral equivalent of those who
deny your holocaust.
I suggest you read:
"A Little Matter Of Genocide: Holocaust And Denial In The Americas 1492
To The Present" by Ward Churchill, 1997
"American Holocaust: Columbus And The Conquest Of The New World"
by David Stannard, 1992
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"A shattering realization is brought home: The German Holocaust was not
unique in history. There is a holocaust in our American past. We owe it to
its victims, and to our own future, to reflect on this."
- - Hans Koning
Greg Ioannou
"PRowan9262" <prowa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030115120803...@mb-mh.aol.com...
> >It all depends on the personal preference of each individual artist
whether
> >they make note of it themselves or not. Some native musicians actively
write
> >about native topics, and others like Crystal Gayle, Shania Twain, and
Willie
> >Nelson never seem to.
>
> What indigenous topics are there really to the Native American experience
other
> than squaw cheese, buffalo shit, and white man's dominance?
Oh, great -- now we have racist garbage directed against Native Americans
for a change of pace. Please crawl back under your rock.
Greg
PRowan9262
>Artistic consciousness versus commercial consciousness
I see you hew strictly to the Indian side of this duality........
You should be cave painting this screed!!!!
>Bonding with animals versus captivity of animals
Well damn, Tam!! You got the sheep on the north pasture up here roused up
again!!!
>Civil liberties for children versus status as minors
Pete Townshend just ordered a headdress, baby!!!
>Extended family versus nuclear family
and
>Sexual diversity verses sexual conformity
and
>Public nudity versus body shame
Wowie!! There might be a glaring need for this forked tongue yet, my
aborigineal brotha!!!
>Reverse acculturation verses Eurocentric acculturation
Hippies tried it.................like ouch, man!
>Visionary exploration versus psychiatric repression
We've seen your vision
You need a straight jacket.
Dennis C from Tennessee
Greg Ioannou
"Bill Bugge" <wlas...@optonline.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:QGjV9.180375$FT6.31...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
I don't think there's much to be gained by playing "my holocaust was bigger
than your holocaust". There have been many holocausts in human history. All
we can do is hope to learn from them to prevent future holocausts.
I'm Jewish, but I don't find it at all troubling to acknowledge that other
peoples have also suffered holocausts. Jews don't have a monopoly on the
word.
Greg
SavoyBG
>Douglas Spotted Eagle
LOL
You mean this guy is not an Indian, but goes under this name?
Is that like Jolson in blackface?
Bruce Grossberg
Bill Bugge
> "Bill Bugge" <wlas...@optonline.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:QGjV9.180375$FT6.31...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
>> Todd Tamanend Clark <tama...@westol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Native Americans are still experiencing a hemisphere-wide holocaust
>>> that began in 1492 and shows no significant signs of abating anytime
>>> soon.
>>>
>>
>>
>> In your Native American fervor, you cheapen the horror of the
>> Holocaust and insult Jews everywhere.
>
> I don't think there's much to be gained by playing "my holocaust was
> bigger than your holocaust". There have been many holocausts in human
> history. > I'm Jewish, but I don't find it at all troubling to acknowledge
that
> other peoples have also suffered holocausts. Jews don't have a
> monopoly on the word.
>
It's not a matter of comparing historical holocausts. I could understand a
Native American considering the pioneer days to be a holocaust. But it's
Todd Tamanend Clark's using the present tense for "his" holocaust that
disturbs me.
--
Bill
Steve Nester
"Bill Bugge" <wlas...@optonline.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:QGjV9.180375$FT6.31...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
That's absurd. There is a difference between "a holocaust" and "the
Holocaust". Do you think you have
a patent on the word?
mga707
Some native musicians actively write
> about native topics, and others like Crystal Gayle, Shania Twain, and Willie
> Nelson never seem to.
Re: Shania--Oh, please. If I happened to be adopted by a Native
American as a child, would that make me an Indian too?
As far as the other two, if they're NA, then so am I...
Todd Tamanend Clark
ABSTRACT: This is a Native American Studies recommended reading list
consisting of over two hundred books compiled by Todd Tamanend Clark for
use in home school, high school, and/or college. If the resources herein are
read
at the rate of one volume per week, the projected time of completion would
be
four years of study, which would then be only the basic beginning foundation
for
a continuing process of lifelong learning. (Please note that in addition to
the very
worthwhile pursuit of scholarly academic knowledge, one also needs to
regularly
and respectfully interact in person with various indigenous cultures on both
a
sociological and spiritual level in order to have a well-rounded
understanding of
the actual application of this information. Serious deprogramming of
previously
interiorized Eurocentric propaganda from the current dominant colonial
cultures
of the Western Hemisphere is also highly recommended.)
THE BOOK LIST (WITH NAMES OF AUTHORS AND DATES OF
PUBLICATION IN PARENTHESIS) IS AS FOLLOWS:
A Basic Call To Consciousness
(Akwesasne Notes, 1977)
A Coyote Reader
(William Bright, 1993)
A Cry From The Earth: Music Of The North American Indians
(John Bierhorst, 1979)
A Little Matter Of Genocide: Holocaust And Denial In The Americas 1492 To
The Present
(Ward Churchill, 1997)
A Native American Encyclopedia: History, Culture, And People
(Barry Pritzker, 2000)
A Sorrow In Our Heart: The Life Of Tecumseh
(Allan Eckert, 1992)
A To Z Of Native American Women
(Liz Sonneborn, 1998)
After Columbus: The Smithsonian Chronicle Of The North American Indians
(Herman Viola, 1990)
Algonquians Of The East Coast
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
All Our Relations: Native Struggles For Land And Life
(Winona LaDuke, 1999)
Almanac Of The Dead
(Leslie Marmon Silko, 1991)
American Genesis: The American Indian And The Origins Of Modern Man
(Jeffrey Goodman, 1981)
American Holocaust: Columbus And The Conquest Of The New World
(David Stannard, 1992)
American Indian Activism: Alcatraz To The Longest Walk
(Troy Johnson, 1997)
American Indian Ethnic Renewal: Red Power And The Resurgence Of Identity
And Culture
(Joane Nagel, 1997)
American Indian Lacrosse: Little Brother Of War
(Thomas Vennum, 1994)
American Indian Quotations
(Howard Langer, 1996)
American Indian Trickster Tales
(Richard Erdoes & Alfonso Ortiz, 1998)
An Illustrated Dictionary Of The Gods And Symbols Of Ancient Mexico And
The Maya
(Mary Miller & Karl Taube, 1997)
Anthropology Of Love And Anger: The Aesthetics Of Conviviality In Native
Amazonia
(Joanna Overing & Others, 2001)
Atlas Of Ancient America
(Michael Coe & Others, 1988)
Atlas Of The North American Indian
(Carl Waldman, 1985)
Aztec
(Gary Jennings, 1980)
Aztec Thought And Culture: A Study Of The Ancient Nahuatl Mind
(Miguel Leon-Portilla, 1963)
Aztecs: Reign Of Blood And Splendor
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
Beyond Death: The Chinchorro Mummies Of Ancient Chile
(Bernardo Arriaza, 1995)
Blue Jacket: Warrior Of The Shawnees
(John Sugden, 2000)
Breaking The Maya Code
(Michael Coe, 1992)
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee: An Indian History Of The American West
(Dee Brown, 1970)
Cantares Mexicanos: Songs Of The Aztecs
(John Bierhorst, 1985)
Chronicle Of The Maya Kings And Queens
(Simon Martin & Nikolai Grube, 2000)
Chroniclers Of Indian Life
(Time-Life Books, 1996)
Chronology Of American Indian History: The Trail Of The Wind
(Liz Sonneborn, 2001)
Cycles Of Life
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
Crazy Horse: The Strange Man Of The Oglalas [Fiftieth Anniversary Edition]
(Mari Sandoz, 1992)
Dictionary Of Native American Mythology
(Sam Gill & Irene Sullivan, 1992)
Encyclopedia Of American Indian Civil Rights
(James Stuart Olson & Others, 1997)
Encyclopedia Of American Indian Contributions To The World: Fifteen
Thousand Years Of Inventions And Innovations
(Emory Dean Keoke & Kay Marie Porterfield, 2001)
Encyclopedia Of Ancient Mesoamerica
(Margaret Bunson & Stephen Bunson, 1996)
Encyclopedia Of Native American Healing
(William Lyon, 1997)
Encyclopedia Of Native American Shamanism: Sacred Ceremonies Of North
America
(William Lyon, 1998)
Encyclopedia Of Native American Tribes [Revised Edition]
(Carl Waldman, 1999)
Encyclopedia Of North American Indians
(Frederick Hoxie & Others, 1996)
Encyclopedia Of The Haudenosaunee
(Bruce Johansen & Barbara Mann, 2000)
Exiled In The Land Of The Free: Democracy, Indian Nations, And The United
States Constitution (Oren Lyons & Others, 1992)
Exploring Mesoamerica
(John Pohl, 1999)
Exploring Native North America
(David Hurst Thomas, 2000)
Faces In The Forest: First Nations Art Carved On Living Trees
(Michael Blackstock, 2001)
Facing West: The Metaphysics Of Indian-Hating And Empire-Building
(Richard Drinnon, 1990)
Fifteen Poets Of The Aztec World
(Miguel Leon-Portilla, 1992)
First Fire: Central And South American Indian Poetry
(Hugh Fox, 1978)
Five Hundred Nations: An Illustrated History Of North American Indians
(Alvin Josephy, 1994)
Flute Of The Smoking Mirror: A Portrait Of Nezahualcoyotl, Poet-King Of
The Aztecs
(Frances Gillmor, 1983)
From A Native Son: Selected Essays On Indigenism
(Ward Churchill, 1996)
Gender And Power In Prehispanic Mesoamerica
(Rosemary Joyce, 2001)
Ghost Dancing The Law: The Wounded Knee Trials
(John Sayer, 1997)
Gods Of Sun And Sacrifice: Aztec And Maya Myth
(Time-Life Books, 1997)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Four: History Of Indian-White
Relations
(Smithsonian Instution, 1988)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Five: Arctic
(Smithsonian Institution, 1984)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Six: Subarctic
(Smithsonian Institution, 1981)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Seven: Northwest
(Smithsonian Institution, 1990)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Eight: California
(Smithsonian Institution, 1978)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Nine: Southwest
(Smithsonian Institution, 1979)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Ten: Southwest
(Smithsonian Institution, 1983)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Eleven: Great Basin
(Smithsonian Institution, 1986)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Twelve: Plateau
(Smithsonian Institution, 1998)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Thirteen: Plains
(Smithsonian Institution, 2001)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Fifteen: Northeast
(Smithsonian Institution, 1978)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Seventeen: Languages
(Smithsonian Institution, 1996)
Harper's Anthology Of Twentieth Century Native American Poetry
(Duane Niatum & Others, 1988)
Hidden Cities: The Discovery And Loss Of Ancient North American
Civilization
(Roger Kennedy, 1994)
Hopi Katchina Dolls And Their Carvers
(Theda Bassman & Gene Balzer, 1991)
House Made Of Dawn
(N. Scott Momaday, 1968)
Hunters Of The Northern Forest
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse
(Peter Matthiessen, 1983)
Incas: Lords Of Gold And Glory (Time-Life Books, 1992)
Indian Givers: How The Indians Of The Americas Transformed The World
(Jack Weatherford, 1988)
Indians In Pennsylvania
(Paul Wallace, 1961)
Indians Of The Western Range
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
Indigenism: Ethnic Politics In Brazil
(Alcida Ramos, 1998)
Indigenous Aesthetics: Native Art Media And Identity
(Steven Leuthold, 1998)
Indigenous South Americans Of The Past And Present: An Ecological
Perspective
(David Wilson, 1998)
Indigenous Struggle At The Heart Of Brazil: State Policy, Frontier
Expansion,
And The Xavante Indians, 1937-1988
(Seth Garfield, 2001)
Iroquois Music And Dance: Ceremonial Arts Of Two Seneca Longhouses
(Gertrude Kurath, 1964)
Keepers Of The Totem
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
Lakota Woman [Second Edition]
(Mary Crow Dog, 1994)
Learning To Be An Anthropologist And Remaining Native
(Beatrice Medicine & Others, 2001)
Like A Hurricane: The Indian Movement From Alcatraz To Wounded Knee
(Paul Chaat Smith & Robert Allen Warrior, 1996)
Llamas, Weavings, And Organic Chocolate: Multicultural Grassroots
Development In The Andes And Amazon Of Bolivia
(Kevin Healy, 2001)
Lost Kingdoms Of The Maya
(Gene Stuart & George Stuart, 1993)
Loud Hawk: The United States Versus The American Indian Movement
(Kenneth Stern, 1994)
Mankiller: A Chief And Her People [Trade Paperback Edition]
(Wilma Mankiller & Michael Wallis, 1999)
Manual For The Peacemaker: An Iroquois Legend To Heal Self And Society
(Jean Houston, 1995)
Mexico: From The Olmecs To The Aztecs [Fourth Edition]
(Michael Coe, 1994)
Mother Earth, Father Sky: Native American Myth
(Time-Life Books, 1997)
Mound Builders And Cliff Dwellers
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
Mound Builders Of Ancient America: The Archaeology Of A Myth
(Robert Silverberg, 1968)
Mysteries Of The Hopewell: Astronomers, Geometers, And Magicians Of
The Eastern Woodlands
(William Romain, 2000)
National Museum Of Anthropology: Mexico City
(Newsweek, 1970)
Native America In The Twentieth Century: An Encyclopedia
(Mary Davis, 1994)
Native American Art
(William Ketchum, 1997)
Native American Art In The Twentieth Century
(W. Jack Rushing, 1999)
Native American History: A Chronology Of A Culture's Vast Achievements
And Their Links To World Events
(Judith Nies, 1996)
Native American Identities: From Stereotype To Archetype In Art And
Literature
(Scott Vickers, 1998)
Native American Literatures: An Encyclopedia Of Works, Characters, Authors,
And Themes
(Kathy Whitson, 1999)
Native American Postcolonial Psychology
(Eduardo Duran & Bonnie Duran, 1995)
Native American Religion
(Nancy Bonvillian, 1996)
Native American Women: A Biographical Dictionary [Second Edition]
(Gretchen Batielle & Laurie Lisa, 2001)
Native Mesoamerican Spirituality
(Miguel Leon-Portilla & Others, 1980)
Native Religions And Cultures Of North America: Anthropology Of The Sacred
(Lawrence Sullivan & Others, 2000)
Native Roots: How The Indians Enriched America
(Jack Weatherford, 1991)
Native Time: A Historical Time Line Of Native America
(Lee Francis, 1996)
Natives And Academics: Researching And Writing About American Indians
(Devon Mihesuah & Others, 1998)
North American Indian Jewelry And Adornment
(Lois Sherr Dubin & Others, 1999)
Our Word Is Our Weapon
(Subcomandante Marcos, 2001)
Painting The Maya Universe: Royal Ceramics Of The Classic Period
(Dorie Reents-Budet & Others, 1994)
Parker On The Iroquois
(Arthur Caswell Parker, 1968)
Peace, Power, Righteousness: An Indigenous Manifesto
(Taiaiake Alfred, 1999)
People Of The Dancing Sky: The Iroquois Way
(Myron Zabol & Others, 2000)
People Of The Desert
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
People Of The Ice And Snow
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
People Of The Lakes
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
People Of The Peyote: Huichol Indian History, Religion, And Survival
(Stacy Schaefer & Peter Furst, 1996)
Popul Vuh: The Definitive Edition Of The Mayan Book Of The Dawn Of Life
And The Glories Of Gods And Kings
(Dennis Tedlock, 2001)
Prison Writings: My Life Is My Sundance
(Leonard Peltier, 1999)
Profiles In Wisdom: Native Elders Speak About The Earth
(Steven McFadden, 2000)
Racial Revolutions: Antiracism And Indian Resurgence In Brazil
(Jonathan Wartren, 2001)
Realm Of The Iroquois
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
Red Power: The American Indians' Fight For Freedom [Second Edition]
(Alvin Josephy & Others, 1999)
Reinventing The Enemy's Language: Contemporary Native Women's Writings
Of North America
(Joy Harjo & Others, 1997)
Reservation X
(Gerald McMaster, 1999)
Sacred Geography Of The American Mound Builders
(Maureen Korp, 1990)
Seneca Myths And Folk Tales
(Arthur Caswell Parker, 1923)
Shaking The Pumpkin: Traditional Poetry Of The Indian North Americas
(Jerome Rothenberg & Others, 1986)
Shaking The Rattle: Healing The Trauma Of Colonization
(Barbara-Helen Hill, 1996)
Shawnee: The Ceremonialism Of A Native American Tribe And Its Cultural
Background
(James Howard, 1981)
Sisters In Spirit: Iroquois Influences On Early Feminists
(Sally Roesch Wagner, 2001)
Skywatchers: A Revised And Updated Version Of Skywatchers Of Ancient
Mexico
(Anthony Aveni, 2001)
Skywoman: Legends Of The Iroquois
(Joanne Shenandoah & Others, 1998)
Spider Woman's Grandaughters: Traditional Tales And Contemporary Writing
By Native American Women
(Paula Gunn Allen & Others, 1989)
Spirit And Reason: The Vine Deloria, Junior, Reader
(Vine Deloria, Junior, 1999)
Spirit Of The Earth: Native Cooking From Latin America
(Beverly Cox & Martin Jacobs, 2001)
Spirit Of The Harvest: North American Indian Cooking
(Beverly Cox & Martin Jacobs, 1991)
Spirit Wars: Native North American Religions In The Age Of Nation Building
(Ronald Niezen & Others, 2000)
Spiritual Leaders
(Paul Robert Walker, 1994)
Star Gods Of The Maya: Astronomy In Art, Folklore, And Calendars
(Susan Milbrath, 1999)
Stars Of The First People: Native American Star Myths And Constellations
(Dorcas Miller, 1997)
Stolen Continents: The Americas Through Indian Eyes Since 1492
(Ronald Wright, 1992)
Tales Of The Plumed Serpent: Aztec, Inca, And Mayan Myths
(Diana Ferguson, 2000)
Tecumseh: A Life
(John Sugen, 1997)
Teotihuacan: An Experiment In Living
(Esther Pasztory, 1997)
That Dark And Bloody River: Chronicles Of The Ohio River Valley
(Allan Eckert, 1995)
The Art Of The Native American Flute
(R. Carlos Nakai & James Demars, 1996)
The Aztecs
(Michael Smith, 1996)
The Biographical Directory Of Native American Painters
(Patrick Lester, 1995)
The Blood Of Kings: Dynasty And Ritual In Mayan Art
(Linda Schele & Others, 1992)
The Buffalo Hunters
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Cities Of The Ancient Andes
(Adriana Von Hagen & Craig Morris, 1998)
The Code Of Kings: The Language Of Seven Sacred Maya Temples And
Tombs
(Linda Schele & Others, 1998)
The Columbian Exchange: Biological And Cultural Consequences Of 1492
(Alfred Crosby, 1973)
The Cosmos Of The Yucatec Maya: Cycles And Steps From The Madrid
Codex
(Merideth Paxton, 2001)
The Cultures Of Native North Americans
(Christian Feest & Others, 2000)
The Death And Rebirth Of The Seneca
(Anthony Wallace, 1969)
The Delaware Indians: A History
(C. A. Weslager, 1972)
The Encyclopedia Of Native American Biography: Six Hundred Stories Of
Important People, From Powhatan To Wilma Mankiller
(Bruce Johansen & Donald Grinde, 1998)
The Encyclopedia Of Native American Religions
(Arlene Hirschfelder & Paulette Molin, 1992)
The European Challenge
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
The False Faces Of The Iroquois
(William Fenton, 1991)
The First Americans
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
The Grandfathers Speak: Native American Folk Tales Of The Lenape People
(Hitakonanu'Laxk, 1994)
The Heart As A Drum: Continuance And Resistance In American Indian Poetry
(Robin Riley Fast, 1999)
The Indians Of California
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
The Iroquois
(Barbara Graymont, 1988)
The Iroquois
(Dean Snow, 1994)
The Lenape
(Robert Grumet, 1989)
The Lords Of Tikal: Rulers Of An Ancient Mayan City
(Peter Harrison, 1999)
The Magnificent Maya
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Maya [Fifth Edition]
(Michael Coe, 1993)
The Mighty Chieftains
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Native American Almanac: A Portrait Of Native America Today
(Arlene Hirschfelder & Martha Kreipe De Montano, 1993)
The Native Americans: An Illustrated History
(David Hurst Thomas & Others, 1993)
The Native North American Almanac
(Duane Champagne & Others, 1994)
The Natural History Of The Soul In Ancient Mexico
(Jill McKeever-Furst, 1995)
The Olmec World: Ritual And Rulership
(Michael Coe, 1996)
The Ordeal Of The Longhouse: The Peoples Of The Iroquois League In The Era
Of European Colonization
(Daniel Richter, 1992)
The Patriot Chiefs: A Chronicle Of American Indian Resistance [Revised
Edition]
(Alvin Josephy, 1994)
The Reservations
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
The Rights Of Indians And Tribes: The Basic ACLU Guide To Indian Tribal
Rights [Second Edition]
(Stephen Pevar, 1992)
The Sacred Hoop: Recovering The Feminine In American Indian Traditions
(Paula Gunn Allen, 1986)
The Secret Of The Incas: Myth, Astronomy, And The War Against Time
(William Sullivan, 1996)
The Shawnee Prophet
(R. David Edmunds, 1983)
The Spirit World
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
The State Of Native America: Genocide, Colonization, And Resistance
(M. Annette Jaimes & Others, 1992)
The Telling Of The World: Native American Stories And Art
(W. S. Penn & Others, 1996)
The Trickster Shift: Humor And Irony In Contemporary Native Art
(Allan Ryan, 1999)
The Way Of The Spirit: Nature, Myth, And Magic In Native American Life
(Time-Life Books, 1997)
The Way Of The Warrior
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Woman's Way
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
The World Of The American Indian [Revised Edition]
(National Geographic Society, 1993)
The World Of Tupac Amaru: Conflict, Community, And Identity In Colonial
Peru
(Ward Stavig, 1999)
Through Indian Eyes: The Untold Story Of Native American Peoples
(Reader's Digest, 1995)
Time And Reality In The Thought Of The Maya [Enlarged Edition]
(Miguel Leon-Portilla, 1988)
Timelines Of Native American History
(Carl Waldman, 1994)
Trail Of Tears: The Rise And Fall Of The Cherokee Nation
(John Ehle, 1988)
Tribes Of The Southern Plains
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
Tribes Of The Southern Woodlands
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
Visions Of Sound: Musical Instruments Of First Nations Communities In
Northeastern America
(Beverly Diamond & Others, 1994)
Voices Of The Winds: Native American Legends
(Margot Edmonds & Ella Clark, 1989)
War For The Plains
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
Where The Gods Reign: Plants And Peoples Of The Columbian Amazon
(Richard Schultes, 1990)
Where White Men Fear To Tread: The Autobiography Of Russell Means
(Russell Means & Martin Wolf, 1995)
Who Was Who In Native American History: Indians And Non-Indians From
Early Contact Through 1900
(Carl Waldman, 1990)
Wilderness: The True Story Of Simon Girty, Renegade
(Timothy Truman, 1990)
Winds Of Renewal
(Time-Life Books, 1996)
Word Dance: The Language Of Native American Culture
(Carl Waldman, 1994)
Year 501: The Conquest Continues
(Noam Chomsky, 1993)
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knees."
- - Emiliano Zapata
Sharktfy
"Greg Ioannou" <gregi...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Well said son. 1 or 6 million, it doesn't matter. The said thing is that
we never learn!
--
Sharktfy
Listening to: Suzie Q - CCR
Chris
Todd Tamanend Clark <tama...@westol.com> wrote in message
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> It may be easy for you to dismiss as something only in the past, but
Native
> Americans are still experiencing a hemisphere-wide holocaust that began
> in 1492 and shows no significant signs of abating anytime soon.
>
I'm a little lost here...Now, I understand the "they took our land and our
way of life" stuff. I realize that hundreds upon hundreds of tribes were
relocated. But an "ongoing" holocaust? Methinks you're being a tad
overdramatic.
For instance...there are more people with "Indian" blood (myself included --
Grandma was Cherokee) in this country than lived on the land in 1492. That
doesn't seem right if there has been an ongoing "ethnic cleansing" for over
five centuries. A major wrong was made right in 1924 when "Native
Americans" were given full U.S. citizenship. During WW2, a number of Native
Americans served the U.S. (a nation that was supposedly holding them out)
with distinction. This includes Ira Hayes and the radio operators who were
depicted in the recent film "Windtalkers."
Many men and women with a Native American background have gone on to make a
comfortable living, unabated by your supposed claims. They own businesses,
practice law and medicine, and can follow whatever path their destiny
allows. Please explain to me how this constitutes a holocaust.
SavoyBG
>Listening to: Suzie Q - CCR
CCR was my favorite group for many years, but on that song, Dale Hawkins is BY
FAR, THE Version!!!
Bruce Grossberg
Sharktfy
"SavoyBG" <sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030115221327...@mb-cv.aol.com...
> >From: "Sharktfy"
>
> >Listening to: Suzie Q - CCR
>
> CCR was my favorite group for many years, but on that song, Dale
Hawkins is BY
> FAR, THE Version!!!
Will check it out.
--
Sharktfy
Listening to: Johnnie Taylor - Who's Making Love
Brett A. Pasternack
>
> > "PRowan9262/Dennis C" racistly scrawled:
> >
> > What indigenous topics are there really to the Native American experience
> > other than squaw cheese, buffalo shit, and white man's dominance?
>
> Perhaps no one has ever bothered to inform you that the word "squaw"
> translates to mean "cunt" and is just as offensive.
Or perhaps he just knows that that isn't quite true. See:
Bill Bugge
>
Ok, if your definition of "holocaust" is having major league teams named
after you, perhaps Todd is correct.
--
Bill
Steve Nester
"Bill Bugge" <wlas...@optonline.net.invalid> wrote in message
Ever driven through an Indian reservation?
Hoges
>
> about native topics, and others like Crystal Gayle, Shania Twain, and Willie
> Nelson never seem to.
>
herself was not but liked to imply so.
Wasn't Tommy Bolin N/A also?
Hoges
mga707
> I was under the impression that Twain's step-father was N/A but she
> herself was not but liked to imply so.
You're correct, and I stated as such some posts back.
She's as much an Injun as I am!
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
>> Todd Tamanend Clark commented:
>>
>> Some native musicians actively write about native topics, and others
like
> > Crystal Gayle, Shania Twain, and Willie Nelson never seem to.
>
> American as a child, would that make me an Indian, too?
Culturally yes, biologically no.
Shania has previouly stated that both her adopted father AND her biological
father were native.
> As far as the other two, if they're NA, then so am I...
Crystal Gayle is Tsalagi (in English: Cherokee).
She was a 2001 inductee into the Native American Music Awards Hall Of Fame.
http://www.nativeamericanmusic.com/crystal.html
(Past inductees include Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Red Bow, Hank Williams, and
Jim Pepper.)
Crystal Gayle also won the Outstanding Native American Of The Year Award
in 1985. Willie Nelson won it in both 1982 and 1987.
http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nl/9508/0086.html
(Also, Willie Nelson played bass guitar in a band called The Cherokee
Cowboys in the early 1960s.)
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"The path to glory is rough, and many gloomy hours obscure it."
- - Black Hawk
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> Ok, if your definition of "holocaust" is having major league teams
> named after you, perhaps Todd is correct.
Just for starters, try comprehending this list of atrocities:
Abusive boarding schools
Alcoholism
Billions in missing trust funds
Broken treaties
Cancer
Diabetes
Domineering acculturation
Environmental pollution
Forced christianization
Forced relocation
Forced sterilization
Genocide
Grave desecration
High suicide rates
Imported disease epidemics
Kidnapped children
Land swindles
Murder
Nuclear waste dumps
Poverty
Racism
Rape
Religious practices made illegal
Sexism
Slavery
Stereotyping
Substandard medical care
Substandard nutrition
Unfair legal justice
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"Genocide is colonial policy, not accident."
- - Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz
Todd Tamanend Clark
> and scrawled:
>
> We've seen your vision. You need a straight jacket.
To quote noted University Of Colorado professor and American Indian
Movement leader Ward Churchill:
"As to my being crazy, thanks for the compliment."
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Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
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"We must dare to dream great dreams, and then we must dare to put
them into action." - - Peter MacDonald
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> I'm a little lost here...
Admission of the problem is the first step towards solving it.
> Now, I understand the "they took our land and our way of life" stuff.
> I realize that hundreds upon hundreds of tribes were relocated.
So far, so good.
> But an "ongoing" holocaust? Methinks you're being a tad
> overdramatic.
"It's all in the past you can say, but it's still going on here today."
- - Buffy Sainte-Marie
> For instance, there are more people with "Indian" blood (myself
> included - - Grandma was Cherokee) in this country than lived on the
> land in 1492.
Not true.
There were approximately twenty million indigenous people north of
the Rio Grande in 1492 (and approximately eighty million south of it).
The last census indicates that only around one per cent of current
United States residents consider themselves to be Native American,
and the Canadian figures are similar, which means there are about
three million today. In the year 1900, when the American Indian
population was at an all time low, the figures were far smaller, only a
few hundred thousand.
> That doesn't seem right if there has been an ongoing "ethnic cleansing"
> for over five centuries.
Don't forget that the "cleansing" was hemisphere wide and is still going
on throughout Latin America in even greater numbers.
> A major wrong was made right in 1924 when "Native Americans" were
> given full U.S. citizenship.
How can you consider taking citizens of sovereign nations and
paternalistically forcing them to become citizens of an occupying
colonial power to be righting anything?
> During WW2, a number of Native Americans served the U.S. (a nation
> that was supposedly holding them out) with distinction.
Yes, and they did so because the Axis Powers were also a threat to the
future of the native nations as well as to that of the dominant culture.
> Many men and women with a Native American background have gone
> on to make a comfortable living, unabated by your supposed claims.
Native Americans in general live in the highest poverty rate of any ethnic
group. The few who are the exception have made their comforable living
at what spiritual price?
> They own businesses, practice law and medicine, and can follow
> whatever path their destiny allows.
Only if they sell out and become acculturated apples.
> Please explain to me how this constitutes a holocaust.
Loosing ones culture is just as much a part of the holocaust as loosing
ones life.
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Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
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Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
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"We must assert our rights and continue to press for what is due us."
- - Peter MacDonald (Navajo Code Talker)