The Right To Vote
Boogity Boogity
Contests be suspended for anyone who posts political messages in these
groups.
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Bill Bugge
Way Back Jack
SARAH ROCKS!
PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!
Mark Dintenfass
<wlas...@optonline.net> wrote:
I'm sympathetic, but you're inviting the very thing we both would like
to avoid. In this political season, every group I look at has been
afflicted, and this group has been afflicted least.
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xpen...@earthlink.net
<wlas...@optonline.net> wrote:
The one that started the thread or all the participants?
Sonic
Lumpy
The "singles contests"?
I like some song. You don't.
Who wins the contest?
It's not a competition, it's art.
Lumpy
Can you play country music?
Sure. Which country would you like?
Roger Ford
<wlas...@optonline.net> wrote:
Without in any way condoning the practice referred to, I would mention
that practically everyone on here has made some political reference at
some time or another---usually enough for most people here to make a
pretty good guess at their political leanings.
Regarding the Singles Battles only one person has ever been refused
entry---fdor a different rreason----which was well documented at the
time and also well supported.
I don't relish the idea of extending that to become some sort of blue
pencil censor so I have to say that I don't really want to be involved
in this matter ,nor do I want to get hung up in a lengthy debate about
it on here so I will not be taking part in any futher discussion
whether on here or by private e-mail,sorry.
ROGER FORD
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Rocky
news:48bfdadc$0$29525$607e...@cv.net:
> In my opinion, it would be desirable for the right to vote in the
> Singles Contests be suspended for anyone who posts political messages
> in these groups.
>
What post exactly are you going on about?
I don't find any recent political threads in this 50s newsgroup.
If you are referring to the 60s group, you're OT.
Boogity Boogity
"Roger Ford" <mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:48c00c53...@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:55:51 -0400, "Boogity Boogity"
> <wlas...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>In my opinion, it would be desirable for the right to vote in the Singles
>>Contests be suspended for anyone who posts political messages in these
>>groups.
> I don't relish the idea of extending that to become some sort of blue
> pencil censor so I have to say that I don't really want to be involved
> in this matter ,nor do I want to get hung up in a lengthy debate about
> it on here
Roger,
My post was wishful thinking, made only as an attempt to discourage such
posts. I knew there was no chance of adoption.
--
Bill
Mark Dintenfass
<no...@nothere.com> wrote:
Bill's post was cross-posted to the 60s group, as are the contests, I
believe. The 60s group has seen a lot of political posts lately--though
maybe that's a step up from the usual Uni-spats.
Jack
Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held
back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and
flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases,
the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and
championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told
the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to
Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.
In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in
special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the
nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge
from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that
opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to
nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening
to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two
memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state
senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does
have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass
legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons
of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The
legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to
also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a
respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader
on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by
police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty
cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income
taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death
tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American
people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings
Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would
increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by
2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all
income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3
percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and
the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for
minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the
wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above
$250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make
more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent
of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the
nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can
keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow
comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said
in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a
state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no
more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was
governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power
is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska
Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could
as easily have called it the 47th largest state - by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been
in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary
responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that
authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service.
When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they
assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the
Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have
a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard
organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor
of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United
States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and
got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped
out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23
states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the
2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right - change
from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a
prescription for every American who wants change in Washington - throw out
the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative
Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year,
Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have
been in charge of the House and Senate.
Way Back Jack
The wenies are terrified:
The following is the text provided by the Republican National
Committee of Gov. Sarah Palin's speech as prepared for delivery at the
Republican National Convention:
Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be
considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United
States...
I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and
defend America.
I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election... against
confident opponents ... at a crucial hour for our country.
And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through
much harder missions ... and met far graver challenges ... and knows
how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States,
John S. McCain.
It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out
our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security
of the country he loves.
With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was
no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an
election than see his country lose a war.
But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they
wrote him off.
They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination,
resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew
better.
And maybe that's because they realize there is a time for politics and
a time for leadership ... a time to campaign and a time to put our
country first.
Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people
like that are hard to come by.
He's a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and
refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought
victory within sight.
And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of
man I want as commander in chief. I'm just one of many moms who'll say
an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into
harm's way.
Our son Track is 19.
And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he'll deploy to Iraq
with the Army infantry in the service of his country.
My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian
Gulf.
My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women
serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five
children.
In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between - my strong
and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper.
And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the
world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no
family ever seems typical.
That's how it is with us.
Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same
challenges and the same joys.
Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.
And children with special needs inspire a special love.
To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I
have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming
place for your sons and daughters.
I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and
advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.
He's a lifelong commercial fisherman ... a production operator in the
oil fields of Alaska's North Slope ... a proud member of the United
Steel Workers' Union ... and world champion snow machine racer.
Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a
package.
We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he's
still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in
our small town.
And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this
is America, and every woman can walk through every door of
opportunity.
My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of
Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from
Missouri followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency.
A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with
honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that
writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.
I grew up with those people.
They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who
grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.
They love their country, in good times and bad, and they're always
proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a
small town.
was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I
wanted to make my kids' public education better.
When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter
profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.
Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of
my hometown.
And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look
down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.
I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer,"
except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in
small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who
lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then
talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when
those people aren't listening.
We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in
Scranton and another way in San Francisco.
As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and
whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man. I'm not a member of
the permanent political establishment.
And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a
member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the
media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.
But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and
commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion -
I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans
expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to
mingle with the right people.
Politics isn't just a game of clashing parties and competing
interests.
The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common
good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.
No one expects us to agree on everything.
But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear
convictions, and ... a servant's heart.
I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as
vice president of the United States. This was the spirit that brought
me to the governor's office, when I took on the old politics as usual
in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists,
big oil companies, and the good-ol' boys network.
Sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests
and power brokers. That's why true reform is so hard to achieve.
But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up.
And in short order we put the government of our state back on the side
of the people.
I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of
self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.
While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office
that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.
That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.
I also drive myself to work.
And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal
chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss
her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if
possible and by veto if necessary.
Senator McCain also promises to use the power of veto in defense of
the public interest - and as a chief executive, I can assure you it
works.
Our state budget is under control.
We have a surplus.
And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending:
nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.
I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the
abuses of earmark spending by Congress.
I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to
Nowhere.
If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves. When oil and
gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, I
sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly
to the people of Alaska.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of
liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and
resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their
control of our state and return it to the people.
I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure
project in North American history.
And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar
natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.
That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are
opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on
dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.
The stakes for our nation could not be higher.
When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should
not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from
our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas
and heating oil.
With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and
to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a
weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.
To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth
of world energy supplies ... or that terrorists might strike again at
the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia ... or that Venezuela might shut
off its oil deliveries ... we Americans need to produce more of our
own oil and gas.
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got
lots of both.
Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all
of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already.
But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to
do nothing at all.
Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to
lay more pipelines ... build more nuclear plants ... create jobs with
clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other
alternative sources.
We need American energy resources, brought to you by American
ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I've noticed a pattern
with our opponent.
Maybe you have, too.
We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.
And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.
But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who
has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not
even in the state senate.
This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is
fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking
about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ...
when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go
out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio
lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek
to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the
planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your
money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the
strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy
.. our opponent is against producing it.
Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.
Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay ... he
wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America
... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government
is too big ... he wants to grow it.
Congress spends too much ... he promises more.
Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are
the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.
The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income
taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ...
raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax
burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My
sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station
that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small
businesses.
How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe
you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or
create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or
keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.
How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax
burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice
Americans face in this election.
In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their
careers.
And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to
promote change.
They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not
just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.
Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speechmaking,
in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things.
And then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who
actually do great things. They're the ones who are good for more than
talk ... the ones we have always been able to count on to serve and
defend America. Senator McCain's record of actual achievement and
reform helps explain why so many special interests, lobbyists, and
comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of
a McCain presidency - from the primary election of 2000 to this very
day.
Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd.
He's a man who's there to serve his country, and not just his party.
A leader who's not looking for a fight, but is not afraid of one
either. Harry Reid, the Majority Leader of the current do-nothing
Senate, not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee.
He said, quote, "I can't stand John McCain." Ladies and gentlemen,
perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we've
chosen the right man. Clearly what the Majority Leader was driving at
is that he can't stand up to John McCain. That is only one more reason
to take the maverick of the Senate and put him in the White House. My
fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a
journey of "personal discovery." This world of threats and dangers is
not just a community, and it doesn't just need an organizer.
And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on
lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us
face the matter squarely.
There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for
you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death
... and that man is John McCain. In our day, politicians have readily
shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world in
which this man, and others equally brave, served and suffered for
their country.
It's a long way from the fear and pain and squalor of a six-by-four
cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.
But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he
will have made.
It's the journey of an upright and honorable man - the kind of fellow
whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this
country, only he was among those who came home.
To the most powerful office on earth, he would bring the compassion
that comes from having once been powerless ... the wisdom that comes
even to the captives, by the grace of God ... the special confidence
of those who have seen evil, and seen how evil is overcome. A fellow
prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio, recalls
looking through a pin-hole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander
John McCain was led down the hallway, by the guards, day after day.
As the story is told, "When McCain shuffled back from torturous
interrogations, he would turn toward Moe's door and flash a grin and
thumbs up" - as if to say, "We're going to pull through this." My
fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us
through these next four years.
For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words.
For a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.
If character is the measure in this election ... and hope the theme
.. and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause.
Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next
president of the United States.
Thank you all, and may God bless America.
Rocky
Only an idiot would spend time on an endeavor that was known aforehand to
have "no chance of adoption".
Dean F.
> By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
[Off-topic political crap snipped]
Jack, two questions:
1. Have you ever posted anything here that was even remotely music-related?
2. How does it feel to be the most despised member of these newsgroups,
even moreso than the terminally annoying Uni?
Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres
<palinmccaindis...@ifelected.com> wrote:
> In Illinois, he was the leader
>on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by
>police
Does that include the policy of racial preferences for minorities in
the po-leese hiring policies.
Parry
> I'm sympathetic, but you're inviting the very thing we both would like
> to avoid. In this political season, every group I look at has been
> afflicted
Yeah, can you believe that bum Harper is ignoring his own fixed date
legislation to force an early election?!
Way Back Jack
wrote:
Good points.
See if the asshole answers them.
Bill Kawalec
"Jack" <palinmccaindis...@ifelected.com> wrote in message
news:48c042d1$0$5569$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all
> income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by
> 3
> percent, the center concluded.
>
HUH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Jack
"Dean F." <NoS...@BiteMe.com> wrote in message
news:YIXvk.17670$3A4....@newsfe04.iad...
>
>
> 1. Have you ever posted anything here that was even remotely
> music-related?
sure have. several times in fact
don't you recall my initial thread on oldies radio?
in fact I had posted several times regarding music.
>
> 2. How does it feel to be the most despised member of these newsgroups,
> even moreso than the terminally annoying Uni?
well, I cannot speak for Uni, but I am sure that only Rightards like youself
are the only
ones who despise me here. :-)
I only looked up the facts which one of your regular right-wing members
requested I do and I did so I came back to post it in the current
appropriate topic.
anyway, I am very optimistic about Obama winning in November.
Palin is nothing but sugar coating for the McCain campaign in order to
attract supposibly disgruntled Hillary voters.
I'm checking out of your ng. got a bit bored with it actually. seems
to lack much in the way of intellectual stimulation.
besides Rocky is doing an excellent job debating you right-wingers.
I cannot possibly rain on this man's parade, now can I?
I bid you all adieu
NOTE to Rocky: Keep up the good work, my friend! :-D
Uni
> Jack wrote:
>
>> By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
>
>
> [Off-topic political crap snipped]
>
> Jack, two questions:
>
> 1. Have you ever posted anything here that was even remotely music-related?
Jack off base!!!
Uni :-)
DianeE
"Way Back Jack" <here@home> wrote in message
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>
> The wenies are terrified:
>
> The following is the text provided by the Republican National
> Committee of Gov. Sarah Palin's speech as prepared for delivery at the
------------------------
Ah, thank you, JW, now I am able to find the quote that struck me as so
bizarre when I listened to it last night:
"There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for
you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death
... and that man is John McCain."
Didn't anyone but me notice that Palin seems to think we *won* the Vietnam
War?????
Newsflash! Newsflash! We *were* defeated, and we *did* survive. In
fact....hey, look at the label on my T-shirt; it says "Made in Vietnam."
DianeE
jughead
> "Dean F." <NoS...@BiteMe.com> wrote in message
> > 2. How does it feel to be the most despised member of these newsgroups,
> > even moreso than the terminally annoying Uni?
>
> well, I cannot speak for Uni, but I am sure that only Rightards like youself
> are the only
> ones who despise me here. :-)
>
Well, that's the first time anyone has accused Dean of being on the
right.
jughead
> "There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for
> you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death
> ... and that man is John McCain."
>
> Didn't anyone but me notice that Palin seems to think we *won* the Vietnam
> War?????
>
Interesting, I didn't see the speech, so I don't know exactly how she
meant it. Just reading the text, it could be interpreted that McCain
was the winner because he came out with his life.
BobbyM
news:6f0wk.543$sq3.476@trnddc07...
Diane, I think she was talking on a more personal level as it applied to
John McCain, the individual, where winning or losing was defined as living
(survival) or dying (defeat).
Note: I'm not taking sides in this or any political debate in a public
forum; I'm just commenting on my translation of her statement. Most people
stick to their political roots almost as strongly as their religious beliefs
& no amount of arguing will dissuade them, only piss them off. I will
frequently discuss either one-on-one just for the sake of an argument :>)
Marc Dashevsky
@onecliq.net says...
I suspect Dean wouldn't have complained if he had actually read Jack's post.
--
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Rocky
news:6f0wk.543$sq3.476@trnddc07:
It was pandering, using the POW status as a heroic symbol, and attempting
to contrast McClains service with Obamas non service.
Clearly, Palin screwed up something in that statement.
Since he survived, you can only read her statement to be implying that we
won. Otherwise, if defeated, he would be dead.
I think she missed something on the teleprompter.
Bill Kawalec
"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
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> news:48c04385...@news.newsguy.com...
>>
>> The wenies are terrified:
>>
>> The following is the text provided by the Republican National
>> Committee of Gov. Sarah Palin's speech as prepared for delivery at the
>> Republican National Convention: <snip>
> ------------------------
> Ah, thank you, JW, now I am able to find the quote that struck me as so
> bizarre when I listened to it last night:
>
> "There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for
> you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death
> ... and that man is John McCain."
>
> Didn't anyone but me notice that Palin seems to think we *won* the Vietnam
> War?????
Evidenty not, since it does not say that, so the functionally literate would
NOT see that.
Tony
South Vietnam was defeated.
Tony
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John Walker
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>
The American left South Vietnam after a peace treaty with the North, a
peace treaty that never really held. The South Vietnamese army, supposedly
suffiently trained by the US to fend for themselves, soon collapsed and the
North won their long fought battle to set up T-shirt factories for
Americans. One end result of which you are proudly wearing. ;-)
Johnny "cheap T-shirt" Walker
DianeE via Google
> "Way Back Jack" <here@home> wrote in messagenews:48c04385...@news.newsguy.com...
Having read the responses to my post, I see that Gov. Palin was the
victim of a dyslexic speechwriter. Apparently what that speechwriter
really meant was "where survival means winning and death means
defeat." Oh, wait....that doesn't make much sense either.
The main point is that McCain never actually emerged from that prison
cell. He's still there, and the Republicans are simply stuck in the
20th century. They want to get "back to basics," back to this, back
to that. They have no vision. They have no plan. And above
all....they have no heart.
DianeE
Lumpy
> The main point is that McCain never
> actually emerged from that prison
> cell.
The entire concept that McCain knows
"how wars are won" or "knows how to lead"
is flawed. The guy was in an enemy prison.
I honor the guy for what he's been through,
but being in the enemy's prison hardly qualifies
him for "knowing how wars are won" or "how to lead".
With that reasoning, there are thousands of people
in prison in Gitmo, Levenworth, San Quentin, Brand,
Terminal Island, all who qualify for what the McCain
camp claims makes him a leader.
Lumpy
Oooh!
http://digitalcartography.com/jazz/
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Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres
THE BEST MAN TURNED OUT TO BE A WOMAN
September 3, 2008
John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, as his
running mate finally gave Republicans a reason to vote for him -- a
reason, that is, other than B. Hussein Obama.
The media are hopping mad about McCain's vice presidential selection,
but they're really furious over at MSNBC. After drawing "Keith +
Obama" hearts on their denim notebooks, Keith Olbermann and Chris
Matthews stayed up all night last Thursday, writing jokes about
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, the presumed vice presidential pick. Now
they can't use any of them.
So the media are taking it out on our brave Sarah and her 17-year-old
daughter.
They claimed Palin was chosen only because she's a woman. In fact,
Palin was chosen because she's pro-life, pro-gun, pro-drilling and
pro-tax cuts. She's fought both Republicans and Democrats on public
corruption and does not have hair plugs like some other vice
presidential candidate I could mention. In other words, she's a
"Republican."
As a right-winger, Palin will appeal to the narrow 59 percent of
Americans who voted for another former small-market sportscaster:
Ronald Reagan. Our motto: Sarah Palin is only a heartbeat away!
If you're going to say Palin was chosen because she's a woman, you're
going to have to demonstrate that the runners-up were more qualified.
Gov. Tim Pawlenty seems like a terrific fellow and fine governor, but
he is not obviously more qualified than Palin.
As for former governor of Pennsylvania Tom Ridge and Democratic Sen.
Joe Lieberman, the other also-rans, I can think of at least 40 million
unborn reasons she's better than either of them.
Within the first few hours after Palin's name was announced, McCain
raised $4 million in campaign donations online, reaching $10 million
within the next two days. Which shortlist vice presidential pick could
have beaten that?
The media hysterically denounced Palin as "inexperienced." But then
people started to notice that she has more executive experience than
B. Hussein Obama -- the guy at the top of the Democrats' ticket.
They tried to create a "Troopergate" for Palin, indignantly demanding
to know why she wanted to get her ex-brother-in-law removed as a state
trooper. Again, public corruption is not a good issue for someone like
Obama, Chicago pol and noted friend of Syrian National/convicted felon
Antonin Rezko.
For the cherry on top, then we found out Palin's ex-brother-in-law had
Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson. Defend that, Democrats.
The bien-pensant criticized Palin, saying it's irresponsible for a
woman with five children to run for vice president. Liberals' new
talking point: Sarah Palin: Only five abortions away from the
presidency.
They claimed her newborn wasn't her child, but the child of her
17-year-old daughter. That turned out to be a lie.
Then they attacked her daughter, who actually is pregnant now, for
being unmarried. When liberals start acting like they're opposed to
pre-marital sex and mothers having careers, you know McCain's vice
presidential choice has knocked them back on their heels.
But at least liberal reporters had finally found someone their own
size to pick on: a 17-year-old girl.
Speaking of Democrats with newborn children, the media weren't
particularly concerned about John Edwards running for president
despite his having a mistress with a newborn child.
While the difficult circumstances of Palin's pregnant daughter are
being covered like a terrorist attack on the nation, with leering
accounts of the 18-year-old father, the media remain resolutely
uninterested in the parentage of Edwards' mistress's love child.
Except, that is, the hardworking reporters at the National Enquirer,
who say Edwards is the father.
As this goes to press, the latest media-invented scandal about Palin
is that McCain didn't know her well before choosing her as his running
mate. He knew her well enough, though admittedly, not as well as Obama
knows William Ayers.
John F. Kennedy, who was -- from what the media tell me -- America's
most beloved president, detested his vice president, Lyndon Johnson.
Until Clinton interviewed Al Gore one time before choosing him as his
vice presidential candidate, he had met Gore only one other time: when
Gore was running for president in 1988 and flew to Little Rock seeking
Clinton's endorsement. Clinton turned him down.
To this day, there's no proof that Bill Clinton ever met one-on-one
with his CIA director, James Woolsey, other than a brief chat after
midnight the night before Woolsey's nomination was announced.
Barring some all-new, trivial and probably false story about Palin --
her former hairdresser got a parking ticket in 1978! -- the media
apparently intend to keep being hysterical about McCain's alleged
failure to "vet" Palin properly. The problem with this argument is
that it presupposes that everyone is asking: "HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?"
No one's saying that.
Attacks on McCain's "vetting" process require the media to keep
claiming that Palin has a lot of problems. But she doesn't have any
problems. Remember? Those were all blind alleys.
Unfortunately, for the ordinary TV viewer hearing nonstop hysteria
about nonspecific "problems," it takes a lot of effort to figure out
that every attack liberals have launched against Palin turned out to
be a lie.
It's as if a basketball player made the winning shot in the last three
seconds of the game and liberals demand that we have a week-long
discussion about whether the player should have taken that shot. WHAT
IF HE MISSED?
With Palin, McCain didn't miss.
Bill Kawalec
to prove what the agenda of these "pro-choice" people really is.
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Roger Ford
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>In article <Xns9B0F797FD30...@208.49.80.60>, Rocky
><no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>> "Boogity Boogity" <wlas...@optonline.net> wrote in
>> news:48bfdadc$0$29525$607e...@cv.net:
>>
>> > In my opinion, it would be desirable for the right to vote in the
>> > Singles Contests be suspended for anyone who posts political messages
>> > in these groups.
>> >
>>
>> What post exactly are you going on about?
>>
>> I don't find any recent political threads in this 50s newsgroup.
>>
>> If you are referring to the 60s group, you're OT.
>>
>
>Bill's post was cross-posted to the 60s group, as are the contests, I
>believe.
No the contests only appear here on the 1950s group. Even the 1963
contest only appeared here.
As will the upcoming 1960 Singles Battle :)
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> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:54:04 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
> <mdint...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <Xns9B0F797FD30...@208.49.80.60>, Rocky
> ><no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Boogity Boogity" <wlas...@optonline.net> wrote in
> >> news:48bfdadc$0$29525$607e...@cv.net:
> >>
> >> > In my opinion, it would be desirable for the right to vote in the
> >> > Singles Contests be suspended for anyone who posts political messages
> >> > in these groups.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What post exactly are you going on about?
> >>
> >> I don't find any recent political threads in this 50s newsgroup.
> >>
> >> If you are referring to the 60s group, you're OT.
> >>
> >
> >Bill's post was cross-posted to the 60s group, as are the contests, I
> >believe.
>
> No the contests only appear here on the 1950s group. Even the 1963
> contest only appeared here.
>
> As will the upcoming 1960 Singles Battle :)
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DianeE
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Who's Clarence?
DianeE
DianeE
"Tony" <Ton...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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I don't understand. Are you saying we weren't "defeated" because we never
actually declared war in the first place? Or.....what?
DianeE
Lumpy
> Who's Clarence?
He's serving 45 days in the Maricopa Co Jail.
He'll be eligible for US President by the
middle of September.
Lumpy
Can you play country music?
Sure. Which country would you like?
Bill Kawalec
"Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
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> DianeE wrote:
>
>> Who's Clarence?
>
>
> He's serving 45 days in the Maricopa Co Jail.
> He'll be eligible for US President by the
> middle of September.
not if it was a felony
xpen...@earthlink.net
http://www.history-of-rock.com/clarence.jpg
Clarence "Lumpy" Rutherford is the 16 year old son of Fred, (Ward
Cleaver's co-worker). Lumpy is a papa's boy. He is well-known for
referring to his father as "Daddy". Fred would tell Clarence he was
too old and big (usually referring to his "lumpiness") to call him
"Daddy". More often than not, Fred would lose his patience and call
Lumpy a "big boob".
Lumpy is not the brightest fellow in Mayfield. He is a very hefty
young lad and is often teased because of it. Lumpy often convinces
others to do things that he is really too afraid to do himself.
>
>DianeE
>
DianeE
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Ah! Now I remember! Thanks. The only Clarence I could think of in the
context of this group was Clarence Carter.
DianeE
Bill Kawalec
"
It never ceases to amaze me how the Left falls again and again into the old
trap of underestimating politicians whom they don't understand. From Ronald
Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to George Bush and Mrs Palin, they do it every
time. Because these characters talk a bit funny and have ridiculously
antiquated views about faith, family and nation, because they haven't spent
time bending the knee to the intellectual metropolitan elites, they can't be
taken seriously.
So the general expectation was that Mrs Palin would stumble on to the stage
in high heels, clutching her sprawling, slightly odd family (five children!
how weird), mispronounce the name of the Russian Prime Minister, mutter a
few platitudes about God, and disappear for ever to a deafening chorus of
sniggers.
No one paid much attention to the fact that she had been elected governor of
a state. Or that she got to that office not because, unlike some politicians
I could mention, her husband had been there before her, or because she
bleated continuously about glass ceilings, but by challenging the entrenched
interests in her own party and beating them. In almost two years as Governor
she has cleaned out the Augean stables of Alaskan Government. You don't win
a statewide election and enjoy approval ratings of more than 80 per cent
without real political talent.
Never mind all that. She didn't have a passport! She was a former beauty
queen! It was so axiomatic that she was a disaster that I was told by lots
of savvy men - with deliciously unconscious sexism - that the real problem
was what the choice said about Mr McCain and his judgment: cynical,
irresponsible, clueless. It was as if Mrs Palin wasn't really a human being
at all, but an article of Mr McCain's clothing that showed his poor taste,
like wearing brown shoes with a charcoal suit."
Rocky
news:P_adnfs2AeEcWF_V...@comcast.com:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/articl
> e4677799.ece
HMMM. An article from the UK.
Too bad Gerard Baker can't vote in the upcoming US election, hey Billy?
Obama has far more support overseas Bubba. Rock star status, according to
this same columnist. I'm not as puerile as you or Gerald to think it really
makes a difference on how anyone in the US will vote.
Nice cutting and pasting.
Too bad you are so totally incapable of stating your own opinions.