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F R

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Oct 27, 2012, 8:19:10 PM10/27/12
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For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song
however
And which song might be Satchmo's legacy? "What a Wonderful World"?

Also, just name one and only one song for acts that charted regularly
during the '50s and early '60s.
I'm not sure it's possible.
Does Fats Domino have one? Little Richard? Chuck Berry?

The Flamingoes would probably be "I Only Have Eyes for You" as opposed
to their earlier ones with a different make-up of singers but the same
name.
How about the Drifters? The Clyde Drifters? The Ben E. King Drifters or
the "pop" Drifters?
Can I think of one song that encapsulates Roy Orbison or Elvis?
NOPE!
Seems for me, you can do it with some acts, but not with others.
Frank

The Bloomfield Buddy

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Oct 27, 2012, 8:34:22 PM10/27/12
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On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:

> For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
> Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song

Your favorite is not relevant.


> however
> And which song might be Satchmo's legacy? "What a Wonderful World"?

West End Blues


> Also, just name one and only one song for acts that charted regularly
> during the '50s and early '60s.
>  I'm not sure it's possible.
> Does Fats Domino have one?

Blueberry Hill


Little Richard?

Tutti-Frutti" is the closest.


Chuck Berry?

Johnny B. Goode.


Bob Roman

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Oct 27, 2012, 9:18:01 PM10/27/12
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Johnny Cash - I Walk the Line
Drifters - Under the Boardwalk
James Brown - Papa's Got a Brand New Bag
Dion & the Belmonts - I Wonder Why
Dion - The Wanderer

Hound Dog and Oh Pretty Woman for Elvis and Roy, although neither is
their very best.

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The Bloomfield Buddy

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Oct 27, 2012, 9:42:34 PM10/27/12
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On Oct 27, 9:18 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> James Brown - Papa's Got a Brand New Bag

That's a tough one, Could just as easily be "Please Please, Please" or
"Sex Machine" or I Got You (I Feel Good)."

> Dion - The Wanderer

Could just as well be "Runaround Sue."



tr...@iwvisp.com

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Oct 27, 2012, 11:29:15 PM10/27/12
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It's Only Make Believe for Conway Twitty. His first #1 and the last
song he sang on the night he died, 35 years later.

Ray Arthur

Michael Pendragon

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On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
> For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
> Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song
> however

You like Louis Armstrong's version better? Seriously???

My personal take on defining songs is that it's possible only with
artists who've had one hit that was so huge that it overwhelms all
others by that artist.

Bobby Darin could just as easily be "defined" by Splish Splash, Dream
Lover, Beyond the Sea or If I Were a Carpenter.
Choices would vary depending on whether you're a bigger r'n'r, pop, or
folk fan.

> And which song might be Satchmo's legacy? "What a Wonderful World"?

It's probably his best known song today -- especially among younger
audiences. But jazz fans dismiss it as too pop, opting instead for
something along the lines of Potato Head Blues or Heebie Jeebies.
Hello Dolly was a bigger hit than What a Wonderful World (though I'm
not a big Helly Dolly fan). My favorites are What a Wonderful World
and A Kiss to Build a Dream On.

> Also, just name one and only one song for acts that charted regularly
> during the '50s and early '60s.
>  I'm not sure it's possible.
> Does Fats Domino have one? Little Richard? Chuck Berry?

Fats Domino has Blueberry Hill, with Ain't That a Shame running a
close second. Little Richard's would be Tutti Frutti, with Good Golly
Miss Molly and Long Tall Sally in the running. Chuck Berry would have
Johnny B. Goode -- which overshadows his other hits as a "defining"
song in that it's universally considered to be autobiographical.

> The Flamingoes would probably be "I Only Have Eyes for You" as opposed
> to their earlier ones with a different make-up of singers but the same
> name.

Probably, though it's one of my least favorite of their songs.
Frankly, I don't consider them big enough to warrant a defining song.

> How about the Drifters?

Under the Boardwalk.

The Clyde Drifters? The Ben E. King Drifters or
> the "pop" Drifters?

It's all one and the same to me.

> Can I think of one song that encapsulates Roy Orbison

Pretty Woman.

or Elvis?

Waaaaaay too many huge hits.

> NOPE!
> Seems for me, you can do it with some acts, but not with others.

Agreed.

Michael Pendragon

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Oct 27, 2012, 11:33:05 PM10/27/12
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I agree with all -- except Elvis. Why not Don't Be Cruel, Jailhouse
Rock, Viva Las Vegas, Suspicious Minds, Love Me Tender, All Shook Up,
It's Now or Never, Heartbreak Hotel, or several others that were
equally huge?

Michael Pendragon

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Oct 27, 2012, 11:35:06 PM10/27/12
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Because "The Wanderer" (the character in the song) is immediately
identified with Dion, whereas "Sue" is a girl.

The Bloomfield Buddy

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On Oct 27, 11:30 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>
> > For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
> > Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song
> > however
>
> You like Louis Armstrong's version better?  Seriously???
>
> My personal take on defining songs is that it's possible only with
> artists who've had one hit that was so huge that it overwhelms all
> others by that artist.

Which Darin did. "Mack" was #1 for 9 weeks.




Michael Pendragon

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Oct 28, 2012, 2:02:51 AM10/28/12
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Yes, it was a very big hit. But it's not the only song that
immediately comes to mind when one thinks of Bobby Darin.

Nor does it capture Bobby Darin the r'n'r singer or Bobby Darin the
folk singer.

F R

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"Johnny B. Goode" for CB seems right, but why not "Roll Over Beethoven"
which because of his great lyrics created the great divide that would
forever sever kid's music from their parent's?

F R

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Pendragon>
You like Louis Armstrong's version better? Seriously???
My personal take on defining songs is that it's possible only with
artists who've had one hit that was so huge that it overwhelms all
others by that artist.
Bobby Darin could just as easily be "defined" by Splish Splash, Dream
Lover, Beyond the Sea or If I Were a Carpenter. Choices would vary
depending on whether you're a bigger r'n'r, pop, or folk fan.
---------------------
Yes, seriously. I didn't even know or I surely don't remember
Armstrong's version (even though it was earlier than Darin's). Maybe
sometime during the '60s I heard Satchmo's.
For me, MTK is a no-brainer when remembering Darin, even though he had
lots of hits.
Johnny Cash probably is "I Walk the Line", but when thinking about it,
might it be "Folsom Prison Blues" just as easily?

How about pop singers Mike? Fisher... "Oh My Papa"?Mathis..."Chances
Are"? Page..."Tennessee Waltz".
The 4 Lads? "Standing on the Corner" or "Moments to Remember"? Rosie
Clooney? "Hey There" or "Come ona My House"? Bennett is obviously "I
Left my Heart in San Francisco", but what about Como? Connie
Francis?...and so on and so on.

The Bloomfield Buddy

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Oct 28, 2012, 9:05:21 AM10/28/12
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GOOGLE SEARCHES

"chuck berry" "roll over beethoven" about 820.000 results
"chuck berry" "johnny b. goode" about 1,970,000 results

The Bloomfield Buddy

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Oct 28, 2012, 9:11:57 AM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 2:02 am, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 11:56 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 11:30 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>
> > > > For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
> > > > Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song
> > > > however
>
> > > You like Louis Armstrong's version better?  Seriously???
>
> > > My personal take on defining songs is that it's possible only with
> > > artists who've had one hit that was so huge that it overwhelms all
> > > others by that artist.
>
> > Which Darin did. "Mack" was #1 for 9 weeks.
>
> Yes, it was a  very big hit.  But it's not the only song that
> immediately comes to mind when one thinks of Bobby Darin.

None of these are the "only" song that comes to mind for any of these
artists. But "Mack The Knife" is by far the song that the general
public thinks of when they think of Babby Darin. The song was voted
into the CBS-FM all time top ten a few times, while no other Darin is
even near the top 100. I think it was even number one of all time on
one of their top 500 lists.

The Bloomfield Buddy

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Oct 28, 2012, 9:13:15 AM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 9:00 am, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:

KIds music was not severed from the parents music because of lyrics.

Roger Ford

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Oct 28, 2012, 12:37:23 PM10/28/12
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:19:10 -0400, espo...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:

>Frank

The song that encapsulates him has to be "My Way"

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the BB>
KIds music was not severed from the parents music because of lyrics.
--------------------
True, but for me, since I was conscious of the lyrics shortly after I
first heard ROB, it's ingenious wording had impact on me. I knew we were
listening to different music by '55 and certainly by '56. It's how
cleverly CB dilineates it and why of all the songs about the arrival of
R&R, ROB stands alone, moreso than Rock Around the Clock" for example.

Michael Pendragon

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Oct 28, 2012, 7:33:10 PM10/28/12
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Most have waaaaaaay too many huge hits ... and often in way too many
styles.

It's easier with r'n'r sngers because most of them only had 3 or fewer
hits that are big enough to be contenders.

But I'll give it a try.

Eddie Fisher ... I can't Anytime or Oh My Papa.

Johnny Mathis ... yes, Chances Are is probably the biggest. Misty,
Small World and 12th of Never are up there.

Patti Page ... yes, Tennessee Waltz, only because it was the single
biggest record of the decade (for anybody). Old Cape Cod, Doggie in
the Window, Detour, & Mockin' Bird Hill are up there too.

Rosie Clooney ... Tenderly. Although the two you picked are right up
there with it.

Tony Bennett ... Definitely I Left My Heart in San Francisco.

Perry Como ... Really too many to pick. Catch a Falling Star, maybe.
It's Impossible, If, Because, Magic Moments...

Connie Francis ... Who's Sorry Now, Lipstick on Your Collar, Stupid
Cupid, Mama, Al Di La, Where the Boys Are, Among My Souvenirs,
Everybody's Somebody's Fool ... and so on.

Michael Pendragon

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Oct 28, 2012, 7:35:23 PM10/28/12
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Yeah, really. Their parents' music had some incredible lyrics as
well. Better, IMHO.

The Bloomfield Buddy

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On Oct 28, 7:33 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Patti Page ... yes, Tennessee Waltz, only because it was the single
> biggest record of the decade (for anybody).

The biggest selling record of the decade was "Rock Around The Clock."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles

Bob Roman

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On Oct 28, 12:36 pm, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:19:10 -0400, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
> >Frank
>
> The song that encapsulates him has to be "My Way"

Not in New York, New York.

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Bob Roman

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On Oct 27, 9:42 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:

> > Dion - The Wanderer
>
> Could just as well be "Runaround Sue."

He never put out an album called "Return of Runaround Sue"

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F R

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Pendragon>
Rosie Clooney ... Tenderly. Although the two you picked are right up
there with it.
-------------------
Yes. After I posted , I realized i forgot "Tenderly". Take a listen to
John Raitt's version of "Hey There" from the original cast album or when
he sang it on TV shows. I was lucky enough to see "The Pajama Game" when
it first ran on Broadway. I know you'll still like Rosie's better, but
Raitt's...ummm...rates. Janis Paige was replaced by Doris Day in the
film, but Raitt was not.
Sammy Davis Jr. also does a nice job with it.

Bob Roman

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On Oct 27, 11:33 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hound Dog and Oh Pretty Woman for Elvis and Roy, although neither is
> > their very best.
>
> I agree with all -- except Elvis.  Why not Don't Be Cruel, Jailhouse
> Rock, Viva Las Vegas, Suspicious Minds, Love Me Tender, All Shook Up,
> It's Now or Never, Heartbreak Hotel, or several others that were
> equally huge?

Only Heartbreak Hotel and Don't Be Cruel were equally huge. And
neither of those created as much the middle-American hysteria and
backlash as Hound Dog did.

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Bob Roman

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:39:48 PM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 2:02 am, Michael Pendragon
That's fine. People don't immediately think of him as a R&R singer or
a folk singer.

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Bob Roman

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On Oct 27, 11:30 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>
> > For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
> > Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song
> > however
>
> You like Louis Armstrong's version better?  Seriously???

So do I. Darin's version is a pale imitation.

> > And which song might be Satchmo's legacy? "What a Wonderful World"?

At the peak of his career the obvious choice would have been "When
It's Sleepy Time Down South." It was nearly a theme song for him.
It's forgotten now for reasons of political correctness.

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The Bloomfield Buddy

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:49:33 PM10/28/12
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He did put out an album called "Runaround Sue" but never put out an
album called "The Wanderer." "The Wanderer" was a song on the
"Runaround Sue" album.

Just because an artist has a particular song that he can use to
identify himself does not mean that it is his definitive song, unless
you think that "The Fat Man" is Fats Domino's definitive song?

The Bloomfield Buddy

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On Oct 28, 8:35 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 11:33 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hound Dog and Oh Pretty Woman for Elvis and Roy, although neither is
> > > their very best.
>
> > I agree with all -- except Elvis.  Why not Don't Be Cruel, Jailhouse
> > Rock, Viva Las Vegas, Suspicious Minds, Love Me Tender, All Shook Up,
> > It's Now or Never, Heartbreak Hotel, or several others that were
> > equally huge?
>
> Only Heartbreak Hotel and Don't Be Cruel were equally huge.

No, "All Shook Up" and "Jailhouse Rock: were just as big, and
reportedly "It's Now Or Never" was his biggest worldwide seller.

Bob Roman

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If Fats Domino had put out an album in 1978 called "Return of the Fat
Man" only his loyal fans would have caught the reference.

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The Bloomfield Buddy

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Could also be "When The Saints Go Marching In."

Bob Roman

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If you believe in RIAA certification, the "Hound Dog"/"Don't Be Cruel"
single was his only one certified 4x platinum.

If you believe in chart performance, it was his only single #1 for
more than 10 weeks.

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Michael Pendragon

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I said "biggest" -- not "biggest selling."

Michael Pendragon

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On Oct 28, 8:35 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
But are backlash and hysteria the "defining" elements of Elvis
Presley?

Michael Pendragon

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I've always thought of him as a r'n'r singer who cut several great pop
songs during the second major phase of his career.

Michael Pendragon

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On Oct 28, 8:46 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 11:30 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 8:20 pm, espon...@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>
> > > For instance, Bobby Darin would be "Mack the Knife", although I like
> > > Louie Armstrong's better. MTK is not nearly my favorite Darin song
> > > however
>
> > You like Louis Armstrong's version better?  Seriously???
>
> So do I.  Darin's version is a pale imitation.

It's not an imitation of Louis Armstrong. Mr. Darin has said that he
was trying to sing it as he thought Frankie Laine would.

I like Louis Armstrong (got 125 tracks by him in my library), but his
version has always left me flat. The first time I heard Bobby
Darin's, otoh, I ran right out and bought a copy of the 45. It's
easily one of my all-time favorite records.

> > > And which song might be Satchmo's legacy? "What a Wonderful World"?
>
> At the peak of his career the obvious choice would have been "When
> It's Sleepy Time Down South."  It was nearly a theme song for him.
> It's forgotten now for reasons of political correctness.

I much prefer Frankie Laine's version (which is another of my all-time
favorites).

The Bloomfield Buddy

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On Oct 28, 9:14 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 8:56 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 28, 8:35 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Only Heartbreak Hotel and Don't Be Cruel were equally huge.
>
> > No, "All Shook Up" and "Jailhouse Rock: were just as big, and
> > reportedly "It's Now Or Never" was his biggest worldwide seller.
>
> If you believe in RIAA certification, the "Hound Dog"/"Don't Be Cruel"
> single was his only one certified 4x platinum.

"Hound Dog" was not even the biggest side of the single.


> If you believe in chart performance, it was his only single #1 for
> more than 10 weeks.

If you believe in "actual" chart performance, rather than Joel
Whitburn's editorializing, "Hound Dog" never got to #1. It peaked at
#2 in a 27 week run.

But regardless, YOU claimed that "Heartbreak Hotel" (#1 for 8 weeks)
was "equally huge." "All Shook Up (#1 for 9 weeks), "Jailhouse Rock
(#1 for 7 weeks), and even "Teddy Bear (#1 for 7 weeks) would have to
be there also.

The Bloomfield Buddy

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On Oct 28, 10:35 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 7:40 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 28, 7:33 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Patti Page ... yes, Tennessee Waltz, only because it was the single
> > > biggest record of the decade (for anybody).
>
> > The biggest selling record of the decade was "Rock Around The Clock."
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles
>
> I said "biggest" -- not "biggest selling."

"biggest" based on what?


Michael Pendragon

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Here's one of many sources:

"The Tennessee Waltz Patti Page 1950
While they were waltzing, Patti Page's best friend stole her
sweetheart in this recording that sold more than ten million copies.
It was one of the biggest hits of all time, second only to Bing
Crosby's White Christmas."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_the_popular_songs_in_the_1950s

Michael Pendragon

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On Oct 29, 1:58 am, Michael Pendragon
Page's signature song, "Tennessee Waltz," recorded in 1950, was one of
the biggest-selling singles of the twentieth century, and is also one
of the two official state songs of Tennessee. "Tennessee Waltz" spent
13 weeks atop the Billboard magazine's Best-Sellers List in 1950.
Read more at http://www.songlyrics.com/page-patti-lyrics/#PgTFjMf3sbjxZRgW.99

Bob Roman

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On Oct 28, 11:11 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:

> But regardless, YOU claimed that "Heartbreak Hotel" (#1 for 8 weeks)
> was "equally huge."

The reference to hugeness was not the central point of my argument. I
was simply refuting Mike's argument against it.

My more significant issue was the attention and notoriety that the
record got (and the attention that the performance got even before it
was recorded).

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Bob Roman

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On Oct 28, 10:37 pm, Michael Pendragon
Yes, of course.

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Bob Roman

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On Oct 28, 10:38 pm, Michael Pendragon
Perhaps you are to big a fan to take the perspective of a typical
observer.

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Bob Roman

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On Oct 28, 10:46 pm, Michael Pendragon
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> On Oct 28, 8:46 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > So do I.  Darin's version is a pale imitation.
>
> It's not an imitation of Louis Armstrong.  Mr. Darin has said that he
> was trying to sing it as he thought Frankie Laine would.

Frankie Laine would have copied Armstrong's shout out to Lotte Lenya?
That was his addition -- it wasn't in the original song.

> > At the peak of his career the obvious choice would have been "When
> > It's Sleepy Time Down South."  It was nearly a theme song for him.
> > It's forgotten now for reasons of political correctness.
>
> I much prefer Frankie Laine's version (which is another of my all-time
> favorites).

But your preference is not at issue. Don't you agree?

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The Bloomfield Buddy

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On Oct 29, 8:25 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 11:11 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > But regardless, YOU claimed that "Heartbreak Hotel" (#1 for 8 weeks)
> > was "equally huge."
>
> The reference to hugeness was not the central point of my argument.

Regardless, "HH" and "DBC" were not the only records that were as HUGE
as "Hound Dog."

> I was simply refuting Mike's argument against it.
>
> My more significant issue was the attention and notoriety that the
> record got (and the attention that the performance got even before it
> was recorded).

I'd also pick "HD" as his most definitive song, but that's a different
argument than which records were his most huge hits.

DianeE

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On Oct 28, 10:46 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 8:46 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > So do I. Darin's version is a pale imitation.
>
> It's not an imitation of Louis Armstrong. Mr. Darin has said that he
> was trying to sing it as he thought Frankie Laine would.

Frankie Laine would have copied Armstrong's shout out to Lotte Lenya?
That was his addition -- it wasn't in the original song.

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Right, the original English lyrics (by Marc Blitzstein) go "Jenny Diver,
Sukey Tawdry, Polly Peachum, Lucy Brown/Oh, the line forms on the right,
dear, now that Mackie's back in town."

Wonder if that line's in the original German lyrics. ISTR reading that
Blitzstein took a lot of liberties with them.

DianeE


PStoller

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Oct 29, 2012, 10:14:37 PM10/29/12
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On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:49:45 PM UTC-7, DianeE wrote:

> > > Mr. Darin has said that he was trying to sing it as he thought
> > > Frankie Laine would.
>
> > Frankie Laine would have copied Armstrong's shout out to Lotte
> > Lenya? That was his addition -- it wasn't in the original song.
>
> Right, the original English lyrics (by Marc Blitzstein) go "Jenny Diver,
> Sukey Tawdry, Polly Peachum, Lucy Brown/Oh, the line forms on the right,
> dear, now that Mackie's back in town."
>
> Wonder if that line's in the original German lyrics. ISTR reading that
> Blitzstein took a lot of liberties with them.

He did indeed; there's nothing like that in the original. The fourth verse in German goes like this:

Jenny Towler ward gefunden
Mit 'nem Messer in der Brust
Und am Kai geht Mackie Messer,
Der von allem nichts gewußt

which translates literally as:

Jenny Towler was found
With a knife in her chest
And on the wharf walks Mack the Knife,
Who knows nothing about all this

Blitzstein's Macheath was a figurative ladykiller; Brecht's was a literal one.

Michael Pendragon

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They were but two of many defining characteristics. And they were
only really relevant at the onset of his (mainstream) career.

Michael Pendragon

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Oct 29, 2012, 10:20:26 PM10/29/12
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It's possible.

But long before I became a fan, I knew of him as a r'n'r artist and
sometime actor.

Michael Pendragon

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On Oct 29, 8:46 am, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 10:46 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 28, 8:46 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So do I.  Darin's version is a pale imitation.
>
> > It's not an imitation of Louis Armstrong.  Mr. Darin has said that he
> > was trying to sing it as he thought Frankie Laine would.
>
> Frankie Laine would have copied Armstrong's shout out to Lotte Lenya?
> That was his addition -- it wasn't in the original song.

My point is that while he was using Mr. Armstrong's record as the
basic template, he wasn't imitating him.

> > > At the peak of his career the obvious choice would have been "When
> > > It's Sleepy Time Down South."  It was nearly a theme song for him.
> > > It's forgotten now for reasons of political correctness.
>
> > I much prefer Frankie Laine's version (which is another of my all-time
> > favorites).
>
> But your preference is not at issue.  Don't you agree?

Yes, as far as you're concerned.

To me, it's of paramount importance.

Jan Dean

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F R wrote:

> Can I think of one song that encapsulates Roy Orbison

Candy-colored Clown they Call the Sandman.

Jan Dean

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Think of this in terms of word association.

Look at a list of recording artists.

What is the FIRST tune that pops into your head when you see the name?

For instance, when I see "Elvis," Don't Be Cruel pops into my head
instantly.

A "defining song" is not necessarily the biggest chart hit.

When I see "Ray Charles" I hear,

"You got the right one, baby, UH HUH!"

Bob Roman

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Buddy Holly - That'll Be the Day
Jerry Lee Lewis - Great Balls of Fire
Everly Brothers - Bye Bye Love
Jackie Wilson - Lonely Teardrops
Sam Cooke - You Send Me
Ray Charles - Georgia On My Mind
Ricky Nelson - Hello Mary Lou (?)
Dominoes - Sixty Minute Man
Shirelles - Will You Love Me Tomorrow
Chuck Willis - What Am I Living For
Lee Dorsey - Working In a Coal Mine
LaVern Baker - Tweedle Dee
Ruth Brown - Mama He Treats Your Daughter Mean
Dinah Washington - What a Difference a Day Makes
George Jones - She Thinks I Still Care
Lefty Frizzell - Saginaw, Michigan
Louis Jordan - Is You Is or Is You Aint My Baby

Hank Williams is hard. Your Cheatin' Heart? I'm So Lonesome I Could
Cry? Hey Good Lookin'?

--
BR

Mark Dintenfass

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Nov 17, 2012, 9:51:05 PM11/17/12
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In article
<25e9d948-bf59-4048...@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, Bob
Roman <robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Buddy Holly - That'll Be the Day
> Jerry Lee Lewis - Great Balls of Fire

Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On

> Everly Brothers - Bye Bye Love
> Jackie Wilson - Lonely Teardrops

Well, maybe, but Higher and Higher still gets played.

> Sam Cooke - You Send Me

A Change is Gonna Come

> Ray Charles - Georgia On My Mind

My biggest disagreement. Has to be "What'd I Say," his signature
song.

> Ricky Nelson - Hello Mary Lou (?)
> Dominoes - Sixty Minute Man
> Shirelles - Will You Love Me Tomorrow
> Chuck Willis - What Am I Living For
> Lee Dorsey - Working In a Coal Mine
> LaVern Baker - Tweedle Dee
> Ruth Brown - Mama He Treats Your Daughter Mean
> Dinah Washington - What a Difference a Day Makes
> George Jones - She Thinks I Still Care
> Lefty Frizzell - Saginaw, Michigan
> Louis Jordan - Is You Is or Is You Aint My Baby

Hm. Too many to name just one.

>
> Hank Williams is hard. Your Cheatin' Heart? I'm So Lonesome I Could
> Cry? Hey Good Lookin'?
>
> --
> BR

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Bob Roman

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Nov 17, 2012, 10:12:04 PM11/17/12
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On Nov 17, 9:51 pm, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> In article
> <25e9d948-bf59-4048-8db4-57a8b609a...@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, Bob
> Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jerry Lee Lewis - Great Balls of Fire
>
>    Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On

To us, yeah. But there's a reason why GBoF was the name of his
Hollywood biopic.

> > Sam Cooke - You Send Me
>
>   A Change is Gonna Come

Again, I was trying to take the perspective of an average fan rather
than think as a Sam Cooke fan.

> > Ray Charles - Georgia On My Mind
>
>   My biggest disagreement. Has to be "What'd I Say," his signature
> song.

I went back and forth on that, but I think there are some people who
know him only for Georgia.

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BR

F R

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Nov 17, 2012, 10:19:15 PM11/17/12
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Bob>
Ricky Nelson - Hello Mary Lou (?)
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How about "Garden Party"? Could be the most "memorable" Nelson tune
today. Not that any of his recordings are talked about much any more.

Mark Dintenfass

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In article
<3a77666c-c7ad-4bd0...@m4g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Bob
Roman <robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 17, 9:51 pm, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <25e9d948-bf59-4048-8db4-57a8b609a...@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, Bob
> > Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Jerry Lee Lewis - Great Balls of Fire
> >
> >    Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On
>
> To us, yeah. But there's a reason why GBoF was the name of his
> Hollywood biopic.

Yeah, it was dirtier.


> > > Sam Cooke - You Send Me
> >
> >   A Change is Gonna Come
>
> Again, I was trying to take the perspective of an average fan rather
> than think as a Sam Cooke fan.
>
> > > Ray Charles - Georgia On My Mind
> >
> >   My biggest disagreement. Has to be "What'd I Say," his signature
> > song.
>
> I went back and forth on that, but I think there are some people who
> know him only for Georgia.

WIS was his closer for many years.

DCartrow

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Nov 23, 2012, 8:01:25 PM11/23/12
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Speaking for one of the casual fans, I have to agree with Bobby "Romes" on this one!!!!

His list defines the definite definitives, baby!!!!

Dennis C from Tennessee
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