J.D. McPherson

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Good retro band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6hMZLd91Y

[Sonic]

A little slow to new and hip things at your age Bruce, but you got
there....about 3 years after the fact, but you got there! Agree - have
his CD in my truck at this moment....

[TommyVee]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" wrote in message
news:2f22cc95-ed97-4389...@j20g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

Good retro band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6hMZLd91Y

Check out this high-def video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGn4LncY0g

[DianeE]

"TommyVee" <xxxx...@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:5192d33f$0$19519$607e...@cv.net...

-------------
It's the *bass player*, man. Would just be typical fake white boy blues
without him.

DianeE

[Sharx35]

"DianeE" <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote in message
news:o_KdnZNSxONOZA_M...@giganews.com...

Why is it that when some LIEbrawls put down someone white, no one
here, except for me, points it out, but when someone is less than
impressed by some black artist, you LIEbrawls have a hissy fit?
Some people would call YOU a bunch of hypocrites. Just sayin'!



>
> DianeE
>

[Bob Roman]

On May 14, 11:11 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Why is it that when some LIEbrawls put down someone white, no one
> here, except for me, points it out, but when someone is less than
> impressed by some black artist, you LIEbrawls have a hissy fit?
> Some people would call YOU a bunch of hypocrites. Just sayin'!

But Dave, you know you have the attention span of a gopher.

You think that EVERYONE here like EVERY record by EVERY black artist.
Saying stuff like that just makes you look kind of dumb.

--
BR

[BobbyM]

Can't say about your real life (hope it's not so), but you tend to
stereotype everything & everyone on this group. Your "LIEbrawl" is as
worn out as Limbaugh's "feminazi". Just sayin'!

[Roger Ford]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:44:46 +0900, BobbyM <massey...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I've been called a lot of things in my life but I don't remember
"liberal" being one of 'em :)


ROGER FORD
-----------------------

"Spam Free Zone" - to combat unwanted automatic spamming I have added
an extra "b" in my e-mail address (mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk).
Please delete same before responding.Thank you!

[Sharx35]

"Roger Ford" <mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5193138...@news.virginmedia.com...

Roger, you are certainly not one of the ones I was referring to. In
the regular contests, I certainly don't see you voting "the race
line", unlike some of the others.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:46 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Roger, you are certainly not one of the ones I was referring to. In
> the regular contests, I certainly don't see you voting "the race
> line", unlike some of the others.

In the most recent round of Roger's Pop battle, here are my choices in
each battle where it was a white act vs. a black act.


***** Peggy Lee -- Fever -- Capitol 3998 -- 1958
The Mills Brothers -- The Glow Worm -- Decca 28384 -- 1952

Timi Yuro -- What's A-Matter Baby -- Liberty 55469 -- 1962
***** The Platters -- Twilight Time -- Mercury 71289 -- 1958

***** Marty Robbins -- A White Sport Coat -- Columbia 40869 -- 1957
Ketty Lester -- Love Letters -- Era 3068 -- 1962

Bobby Darin -- Mack The Knife -- Atco 6147 -- 1959
***** Dinah Washington & Brook Benton -- A Rockin' Good Way --
Mercury
71565 -- 1960

Patti Page -- The Tennessee Waltz -- Mercury 5534 -- 1950
***** Tommy Edwards -- It's All In The Game -- M-G-M 12688 -- 1958

King Cole -- Nature Boy -- Capitol 15054 -- 1948
***** Bobby Darin -- Beyond The Sea -- Atco 6158 -- 1960

Julie London -- Cry Me A River -- Liberty 55006 -- 1955
***** Sarah Vaughan -- Broken Hearted Melody -- Mercury 71477 --
1959

I voted for the white act in 3 of the 7 matches.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c719c55b-d8e9-46d5...@m2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

Regardless, Bruce, you KNOW that you are as "politically correct"
as they come on the eastern seaboard and that is VERY politically
correct!



>
>
>

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:55 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Regardless, Bruce, you KNOW that you are as "politically correct"
> as they come on the eastern seaboard and that is VERY politically
> correct!

I'm about as far from being politically correct as someone can be.

Didn't you read my recent "discussion" with Stoller about fags?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:46 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> Roger, you are certainly not one of the ones I was referring to. In
> the regular contests, I certainly don't see you voting "the race
> line", unlike some of the others.

The only one that I see voting the race line is Pendragon. Here are
the songs that he has removed from EXTINCTION - The Cusp Years. In all
6 rounds so far he has removed a record by a black artist.

1- I've always reserved a special hatred for Ray Charles' spastic
desecration of one of all-time my favorite songs: "Georgia On My
Mind." Hit the road, Ray!

2 - The worst song I know (after Ray Charles) -- Mother-in-Law.

3 - Ray Charles is Hittin' the Road again -- and taking Jack with
him.

4 - I Can't Stop Hating Ray -- Tonight's he's hittin' the road for
the
last time. Andy Williams owns this one anyway.

5 - As promised, I'm giving Little Stevie the finger.

6 - One of the songs I purged from my library was Quarter to Three --
tonight I'm taking it off the list as well.

Dave, how about you call a spade a spade and acknowledge that
Pendragon is anti-black.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:792bd9d0-50bb-40e2...@m7g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

Michael is probably a liberal, at heart, Hardly "anti-black".


>
>
>

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

I shitcanned "Sabe The Last Dance For" me by the Drifters. They are
black, and there are still plenty of white acts left in the contest.

Pendragon is the only one who is voting the race line.

How about it Dave?

Are you going to acknowldge that Pendragon is anti-black, or are you
gonna continue to swallow his load?

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:ef3ab88a-9ee6-4c5d...@j20g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

Ah, c'mon Bruce, you and Dean have been "doing the snowball" for
years.

[PStoller]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:03:40 PM UTC-7, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:

> I'm about as far from being politically correct as someone can be.
>
> Didn't you read my recent "discussion" with Stoller about fags?

I have to vouch for Bruce here; he's about as un-PC as they come. Yes, he tends to prefer "black music" (R&B), but he does so on the basis of "what comes out of the speakers," not as a knee-jerk reaction to skin color. If he really judged music on ethnicity, he'd be a much bigger jazz fan than he is. (And hip-hop, and reggae, and Afro-pop...)

[Sharx35]

"PStoller" <afcp...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0f590218-6081-4f63...@googlegroups.com...

Alright, Bruce is removed from the PC group.

[Jim Colegrove]

I perceive them as the typical contemporary white rockabilly/rr styled
band.


Jim Colegrove
www.thecoolgroove.com

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 15, 2:17 am, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:

Give it a rest, Bruce. You know I'm not anti-black -- just anti-R&B
and Soul.

To follow your example, here's how I would've voted in Roger's
contest:

Peggy Lee -- Fever -- Capitol 3998 -- 1958

***** The Mills Brothers -- The Glow Worm -- Decca 28384 -- 1952

Timi Yuro -- What's A-Matter Baby -- Liberty 55469 -- 1962
***** The Platters -- Twilight Time -- Mercury 71289 -- 1958

Marty Robbins -- A White Sport Coat -- Columbia 40869 --
1957

***** Ketty Lester -- Love Letters -- Era 3068 -- 1962


***** Bobby Darin -- Mack The Knife -- Atco 6147 -- 1959

Dinah Washington & Brook Benton -- A Rockin' Good Way --
Mercury
71565 -- 1960

***** Patti Page -- The Tennessee Waltz -- Mercury 5534 -- 1950

Tommy Edwards -- It's All In The Game -- M-G-M 12688 -- 1958

(This one was a really close call.)

King Cole -- Nature Boy -- Capitol 15054 -- 1948
***** Bobby Darin -- Beyond The Sea -- Atco 6158 -- 1960


Julie London -- Cry Me A River -- Liberty 55006 -- 1955
***** Sarah Vaughan -- Broken Hearted Melody -- Mercury 71477 --

I voted "black" in 4 out of 7. By your reasoning that makes me less
race-oriented than you with your 3/7 split. :-)

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 11:09 am, Michael Pendragon

R&B and soul = black.

You're only okay with black musicians if they sell out and try and
sound like whitey.

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 15, 2:28 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:792bd9d0-50bb-40e2...@m7g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

I'd say that I have "conservative" moral sensibilities backed by
radically liberal political beliefs ("green"/"social democrat"), mixed
with a near-fascistic love for my country, and a strong leaning toward
Draconian justice.

"Race" is meaningless to me. We're all members of the same species of
primates.

[Michael Pendragon]

Let's see ... I like Nat "King" Cole, The Ink Spots, The Mills
Brothers, Billy Eckstine, Johnny Mathis, Leslie Uggams, Sarah Vaughan,
Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Louis Jordan, Nancy Wilson, Lena
Horne, Dinah Washington, Sammy Davis Jr., Frankie Lymon, Al Hibbler,
Brook Benton, Billie Holiday, The Gene Mumford Dominos, Sam Cooke,
Chubby Checker, Fats Waller, Cab Calloway and Kenneth Spencer (to
mention the first few that spring to mind).

That's a *lot* of "whitey"-sounding "sell outs".

Perhaps you need to widen your definition as to what constitutes
"black music".

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 11:29 am, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Gene Mumford Dominos,

It's Dominoes

How about the Gene Mumford Larks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ron1sw4sRc

[Michael Pendragon]

I'll have to check the link later.

I tried listening to some Mumford Larks in the past, but didn't
particularly care for them.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 12:12 pm, Michael Pendragon

Too black.

[Michael Pendragon]

Too draggy, as I recall.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 12:26 pm, Michael Pendragon

<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 12:16 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 12:12 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 15, 11:57 am, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 15, 11:29 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> > > > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > The Gene Mumford Dominos,
>
> > > > It's Dominoes
>
> > > > How about the Gene Mumford Larks?
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ron1sw4sRc
>
> > > I'll have to check the link later.
>
> > > I tried listening to some Mumford Larks in the past, but didn't
> > > particularly care for them.
>
> > Too black.
>
> Too draggy,

Anytime black music evokes their heritage (the church, slavery, blues,
Africa) you hate it. It's only okay if they pretend those things
didn't happen and they instead perform as of they were of Europeon
descent.

[Michael Pendragon]

I don't see why you insist on placing the songs in (your perception
of) a historical-political context. How do you equate this approach
with our shared "The only thing that matters is what's coming out of
the speakers" philosophy???

Personally, I like some gospel/blues-oriented music. American pop has
always been a mix of African-American and European traditions (from
the minstrel shows of the 1830s, through the timeless masterpieces of
Stephen Foster, and on through ragtime, jazz, blues, swing and
r'n'r).

The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
influences equal or outweigh the African ones. Although you're
nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 12:42 pm, Michael Pendragon

That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
black influences.

I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
most black records of that era.

And the truth is that you don't like any black artists whose music has
been influenced by the black church. And what does it say about you
that you latched on to Sharx's "ghetto dreck" expression?

Is there something wrong with a poor black person expressing the sound
and style of their environment in their music?

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 15, 12:50 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 12:42 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
> > influences equal or outweigh the African ones.  Although you're
> > nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.
>
> That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
> with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
> black influences.
>
> I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
> most black records of that era.

I'm talking about the music discussed in *this* newsgroup: 1946-64.

> And the truth is that you don't like any black artists whose music has
> been influenced by the black church.

I listed Sam Cooke among the black artists I like. He's known to have
black church influences.

> And what does it say about you
> that you latched on to Sharx's "ghetto dreck" expression?

Is says that I recognize a good expression when I hear one.

> Is there something wrong with a poor black person expressing the sound
> and style of their environment in their music?

In theory, no.

But when their environment has little-to-nothing to recommend it, an
accurate expression of it has little-to-nothing to offer.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:03 pm, Michael Pendragon

<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 12:50 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 15, 12:42 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
> > > influences equal or outweigh the African ones.  Although you're
> > > nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.
>
> > That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
> > with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
> > black influences.
>
> > I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
> > most black records of that era.
>
> I'm talking about the music discussed in *this* newsgroup: 1946-64.

In case you didn't notice, Europeon music was not popular in America
in the 50s and early 60s. The ones that were, I liked most of them,
like "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" and "Nel Blu Di Pinto Di
Blu."

> > And the truth is that you don't like any black artists whose music has
> > been influenced by the black church.
>
> I listed Sam Cooke among the black artists I like.  He's known to have
> black church influences.

So do you like any of his church influenced songs, like "Bring It On
Home To Me," and "That's Where It's At" and "Good Times" and "A Change
Is Gonna Come." or do you just like the ones where he sold out to
whitey?

> > And what does it say about you
> > that you latched on to Sharx's "ghetto dreck" expression?
>
> Is says that I recognize a good expression when I hear one.
>
> > Is there something wrong with a poor black person expressing the sound
> > and style of their environment in their music?
>
> In theory, no.
>
> But when their environment has little-to-nothing to recommend it, an
> accurate expression of it has little-to-nothing to offer.

LOL.....so the truth comes out.

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 15, 12:50 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 12:42 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
> > influences equal or outweigh the African ones.  Although you're
> > nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.
>
> That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
> with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
> black influences.
>
> I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
> most black records of that era.

Btw: I thought Aretha Franklin's R-E-S-P-E-C-T was your big favorite
from that era. Your use of "most black records" is disengenuous at
best.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:14 pm, Michael Pendragon

<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 12:50 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 15, 12:42 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
> > > influences equal or outweigh the African ones.  Although you're
> > > nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.
>
> > That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
> > with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
> > black influences.
>
> > I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
> > most black records of that era.
>
> Btw: I thought Aretha Franklin's R-E-S-P-E-C-T was your big favorite
> from that era.  Your use of "most black records" is disengenuous at
> best.

"Penny Lane" is a 10. There are only a couple dozen black records from
the second half of the 60s that get a 10.

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 15, 1:13 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 1:03 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
>
>
>
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 12:50 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 15, 12:42 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> > > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
> > > > influences equal or outweigh the African ones.  Although you're
> > > > nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.
>
> > > That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
> > > with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
> > > black influences.
>
> > > I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
> > > most black records of that era.
>
> > I'm talking about the music discussed in *this* newsgroup: 1946-64.
>
> In case you didn't notice, Europeon music was not popular in America
> in the 50s and early 60s. The ones that were, I liked most of them,
> like "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" and "Nel Blu Di Pinto Di
> Blu."

Not covers of European songs -- music stemming from European
traditions. And when we're talking 50s pop, you've got everything
from marches to polkas, harpsichords to trombones, and representative
song styles from every country on the globe -- with Italy at the head
of the line.

> > > And the truth is that you don't like any black artists whose music has
> > > been influenced by the black church.
>
> > I listed Sam Cooke among the black artists I like.  He's known to have
> > black church influences.
>
> So do you like any of his church influenced songs, like "Bring It On
> Home To Me," and "That's Where It's At" and "Good Times" and "A Change
> Is Gonna Come." or do you just like the ones where he sold out to
> whitey?

The first is okay, though not a favorite. I prefer songs like "Cupid"
and "Chain Gang" (blacks suffering under evil whitey's Southern penal
law!).

> > > And what does it say about you
> > > that you latched on to Sharx's "ghetto dreck" expression?
>
> > Is says that I recognize a good expression when I hear one.
>
> > > Is there something wrong with a poor black person expressing the sound
> > > and style of their environment in their music?
>
> > In theory, no.
>
> > But when their environment has little-to-nothing to recommend it, an
> > accurate expression of it has little-to-nothing to offer.
>

> LOL.....so the truth comes out.- Hide quoted text -

You saying you like squalor, tenements, drugs, crime, and a general
sense of despair (all concepts generally associated with the term
"ghetto")?

[Michael Pendragon]

> the second half of the 60s that get a 10.- Hide quoted text -

"Penny Lane" is pleasant ... and dull as dishwater.

So you've named 2 late 60s "10"s by 1 white group, and claim there are
at least 24 "10"s by black artists. You're not really proving your
case.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:31 pm, Michael Pendragon

Forget about lyrics, we're talking about a style of music here.

> > > > And what does it say about you
> > > > that you latched on to Sharx's "ghetto dreck" expression?
>
> > > Is says that I recognize a good expression when I hear one.
>
> > > > Is there something wrong with a poor black person expressing the sound
> > > > and style of their environment in their music?
>
> > > In theory, no.
>
> > > But when their environment has little-to-nothing to recommend it, an
> > > accurate expression of it has little-to-nothing to offer.
>
> > LOL.....so the truth comes out.
>

> You saying you like squalor, tenements, drugs, crime, and a general
> sense of despair (all concepts generally associated with the term
> "ghetto")?

I like hearing the emotion expressed by people who have had to deal
with those things, unlike you who just wants to listen to music that
pretends that those things don't exist. People who have actually been
through hard times generally make the best singers. Elvis was very
poor as a child, with his father in jail. He pretty much lived an
existence that was very similar to many black folks of his day.

[Marc Dashevsky]

In article <o_KdnZNSxONOZA_M...@giganews.com>, Tired...@SorryFolks.com says...

>
> "TommyVee" <xxxx...@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:5192d33f$0$19519$607e...@cv.net...
> > "The Bloomfield Buddy" wrote in message
> > news:2f22cc95-ed97-4389...@j20g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Good retro band.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6hMZLd91Y
> >
> > Check out this high-def video:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGn4LncY0g
> -------------
> It's the *bass player*, man. Would just be typical fake white boy blues
> without him.

Jimmy Sutton out of Chicago. I've seen him with Deke Dickerson many times
at the Ponderosa Stomp. He is great and Deke is much better than McPherson.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 1:33 pm, Michael Pendragon

Here's some other white tens.

1965
4 ¦ Heart Full Of Soul ¦ Yardbirds
5 ¦ Sounds Of Silence ¦ Simon & Garfunkel
7 ¦ Catch The Wind (LP version) ¦ Donovan
9 ¦ Get Off Of My Cloud ¦ Rolling Stones
11 ¦ It's My Life ¦ Animals
14 ¦ Like A Rolling Stone ¦ Bob Dylan
15 ¦ Ticket To Ride ¦ Beatles
16 ¦ Satisfaction ¦ Rolling Stones
18 ¦ Nowhere Man ¦ Beatles
20 ¦ I Can't Explain ¦ The Who
21 ¦ The Last Time ¦ Rolling Stones

1966
5 ¦ Psychotic Reaction ¦ Count Five
7 ¦ Monday Monday ¦ Mamas & Papas
9 ¦ 96 Tears ¦ ? & the Mysterians
10 ¦ Kicks ¦ Paul Revere & Raiders

1967
2 ¦ Sunshine Of Your Love ¦ Cream
3 ¦ Let's Live For Today ¦ Grass Roots
5 ¦ Hello Goodbye ¦ Beatles
9 ¦ My Back Pages ¦ Byrds
10 ¦ Whiter Shade Of Pale ¦ Procol Harum

1968
2 ¦ Revolution ¦ Beatles
3 ¦ Midnight Confessions ¦ Grass Roots
4 ¦ Crystal Blue Persuasion ¦ Tommy James & Shondells
7 ¦ Crimson And Clover ¦ Tommy James & Shondells

1969
MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1969:
1 ¦ I Can Hear Music ¦ Beach Boys
2 ¦ Bad Moon Rising ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival
3 ¦ Let's Work Together ¦ Canned Heat
4 ¦ Sweet Cherry Wine ¦ Tommy James & Shondells
6 ¦ Proud Mary ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival
7 ¦ Come Together ¦ Beatles
8 ¦ Whole Lotta Love ¦ Led Zeppelin
9 ¦ Get Ready ¦ Rare Earth

[Michael Pendragon]

Here's a point I agree with you on.

Did you know that Frankie Laine was also very poor as a child? His
earliest memory was of kissing his baby sister goodbye as she lay in
her coffin. His grandfather (who he shared a room with -- along with
his grandmother and several of his brothers) was shot to death by the
mob in their home. When he was 17 he joined a marathon dance company
(to help support his family after his father's barber shop failed).
And after the marathon craze died down in the mid-30s, he spent the
next 10 years "scuffling" about the country in search of gigs: often
homeless -- sleeping in hallways and on park benches.

Did you know that Georgia Gibbs grew up in an orphanage where she was
separated from her siblings? That she spent her teen years traveling
around the country with big bands, and that she was raped by a music
industry big shot who threatened to end her career when she was first
starting to gain some recognition as "Fredda Gibson" -- forcing her to
adopt a name/identity.

Johnnie Ray, Doris Day, and plenty of other great pop singers had a
rough time of it as well.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:40f30976-d1b7-433e...@s8g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...

THAT is a most racist remark. You don't call blacks the N word, so
why do you use pejoratives such as "whitey"?

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:6f047e2d-022c-4028...@o10g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

No, too unpleasant sounding. You DO know it's what comes out of the
speakers, right?

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:ad441bf7-a696-4376...@dl10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

Yet when Caucasian artists write or sing something about black
heritage, you accuse them of ripping off the blacks. You can't have
it BOTH ways, Bruce, unless, of course, you really ARE a hypocrite.
<ROFL>


>
>
>

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:b3bc6681-0d26-4ab6...@o10g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

There you go, YET AGAIN, with your "sold out to whitey" remarks.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:05 pm, Michael Pendragon

But these folks were all white. They didn't have the huge extra
despair of trying to make it as a black person in this country in that
era. It's a shame that you can't appreciate the despair in the voices
of singers like Little Willie John, Otis Redding and Ray Charles. Ray
was poor, blind, and grew up in a home for the blind., away from his
family. Plus he had to live with the fact that his little brother
drowned while he watched and was unable to get himself to do anything
to help him.

Have you see "Ray?"

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:7a6699a3-315b-4b16...@p14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

Lots of Caucasians, both in the North and the South, had absolutely
godawful childhoods.





>
>

[PhillyGuy]

I thought The Stones, Animals, Beatles, Zepplin, et al., were "black-
influenced" -- Howlin' Wolf fanboys and such.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:08 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> THAT is a most racist remark. You don't call blacks the N word, so
> why do you use pejoratives such as "whitey"?

Blacky wanted to sound like Whitey.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:23f74da5-ec31-436c...@k4g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

Hence my use of the term "ghetto dreck" to describe those rating
somewhat lower on your 10 point scale.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:927f9f2c-74a2-46d2...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

NOW, you are being disingenuous. No such racial term as "blacky".

>
>
>

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:15 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hence my use of the term "ghetto dreck" to describe those rating
> somewhat lower on your 10 point scale.

You've used it in referring to many records that get a 10 on my scale.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:b88b028d-2061-4100...@o10g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

Oh, boo hoo! You've savaged thousands of great pop hits a multitude
of times and I don't mean just MY faves, I mean the faves of TENS
OF MILLIONS.

>
>
>

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:16 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:927f9f2c-74a2-46d2...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

>
> > On May 15, 2:08 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> THAT is a most racist remark. You don't call blacks the N word,
> >> so
> >> why do you use pejoratives such as "whitey"?
>
> > Blacky wanted to sound like Whitey.
>
> NOW, you are being disingenuous. No such racial term as "blacky".

Sure there is. It's the black equivelent of whitey.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blacky

black·y also black·ie (blk)
n. pl. black·ies Offensive
Used as a disparaging term for a Black person

[PhillyGuy]

Georgia Gibbs had that huge extra despair of being a Jew in an anti-
semitic world. Johnnie Ray had that huge extra despair of being a bi-
gay man in a straight world. And having to sleep on a bench in
Central Park and subsisting on one Baby Ruth candy bar a day (as
Frankie Laine did) has got to be an extra huge despair no matter what
race one is.

> It's a shame that you can't appreciate the despair in the voices
> of singers like Little Willie John, Otis Redding and Ray Charles. Ray
> was poor, blind, and grew up in a home for the blind., away from his
> family. Plus he had to live with the fact that his little brother
> drowned while he watched and was unable to get himself to do anything
> to help him.

I'm fine with the despair in their voices. I just prefer my despair
stay in key.

> Have you see "Ray?"

I haven't gone to the movies in years.

[PhillyGuy]

BTW: I'm not -- repeat NOT -- Tom.

I just over-posted again. :-)

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:986667f4-465c-4c70...@g9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

soph.ist n. sing. person who uses questionable logic in an
ill-fated attempt to win an argument. Often linked to liberals
living in the NYC area.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:21 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> BTW: I'm not -- repeat NOT -- Tom.
>
> I just over-posted again.  :-)

Change your posting name.

[PhillyGuy]

I'd never remember it.

I don't even remember this one. I just do a search for "Phillyguy,
Scarlotti" and copy the address that turns up.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:20 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Georgia Gibbs had that huge extra despair of being a Jew in an anti-
> semitic world.

In Amereica that was not even close to being black,

> Johnnie Ray had that huge extra despair of being a bi-
> gay man in a straight world.

Little Richard REALLY had it tough then.

>
> > It's a shame that you can't appreciate the despair in the voices
> > of singers like Little Willie John, Otis Redding and Ray Charles. Ray
> > was poor, blind, and grew up in a home for the blind., away from his
> > family. Plus he had to live with the fact that his little brother
> > drowned while he watched and was unable to get himself to do anything
> > to help him.
>
> I'm fine with the despair in their voices.  I just prefer my despair
> stay in key.

Ray Charles has perfect pitch, and if you think that Little Willie
John is out of key you're insane.

> > Have you see "Ray?"
>
It's on cable channels all the time.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

If you change it to Scarlotti I think you'll remember it. Besides, the
posting name has nothing to do with signing in.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:56e70e5e-f433-44eb...@v3g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...

What is this "over-posting" bullshit? Never happens on Eternal
September. Screw on Googlegroups or WebTV. They SUCK.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:20 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> Georgia Gibbs had that huge extra despair of being a Jew in an anti-
> semitic world.  Johnnie Ray had that huge extra despair of being a bi-
> gay man in a straight world.  And having to sleep on a bench in
> Central Park and subsisting on one Baby Ruth candy bar a day (as
> Frankie Laine did) has got to be an extra huge despair no matter what
> race one is.

I promise if they ever make a movie about Laine, Ray or Gibbs I will
watch it. How about you watching "Ray." The lead actor won an Oscar,
reviews were great.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:e8c8950d-19b3-4f42...@q8g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

Is this difficulty to access this newsgroup an example of the
intellectual alacrity of some of the R&B fanatics?

[PhillyGuy]

On May 15, 2:25 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 2:20 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Georgia Gibbs had that huge extra despair of being a Jew in an anti-
> > semitic world.
>
> In Amereica that was not even close to being black,

I'll take the back seat of an Alabama bus over a freight car bound for
Dachau any day.

> > Johnnie Ray had that huge extra despair of being a bi-
> > gay man in a straight world.
>
> Little Richard REALLY had it tough then.

Perhaps. But Johnnie Ray was also deaf (in one ear as a child, and
almost entirely in both after a botched operation as a young man).

> > > It's a shame that you can't appreciate the despair in the voices
> > > of singers like Little Willie John, Otis Redding and Ray Charles. Ray
> > > was poor, blind, and grew up in a home for the blind., away from his
> > > family. Plus he had to live with the fact that his little brother
> > > drowned while he watched and was unable to get himself to do anything
> > > to help him.
>
> > I'm fine with the despair in their voices.  I just prefer my despair
> > stay in key.
>
> Ray Charles has perfect pitch, and if you think that Little Willie
> John is out of key you're insane.

If RC had it, he should have tried using it.
As to Little Willie, I listened to his Fever once ... don't recall
much about his voice, other than that it didn't inspire me to look up
other records by him.

> > > Have you see "Ray?"
>
> It's on cable channels all the time.

I don't get any of the premium channels. Anyway my wife and kids
control the tv set. The only thing I choose to watch is Supernatural.

[PhillyGuy]

Scarlotti turns up too many times in searches.

It's the combo of "Phillyguy" and "Scarlotti" that brings up the
address.

[PhillyGuy]

Deal. But I'll have to wait till it's up on Youtube.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 2:51 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Have you see "Ray?"
>
> > It's on cable channels all the time.
>
> I don't get any of the premium channels.

It's on regular channels a lot.

> Anyway my wife and kids control the tv set.

Figures.....Fag.

You've mentioned many times here that you watched certain movies,
including watching all of Presley's movies. If you wanted to see this
movie you could. Instead of making flimsy excuses about your wife and
your cheapness in not having premium channels, why don't just admit
that you don't want to watch the Nigger movie?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

And it will continue to bring up the adress from the hundreds of posts
that you've already made as Phillyguy. They won't go away if you
change the posting name now.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:13e69bba-e830-4fae...@y5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...

I certainly think that I might enjoy watching it. Portrayals of the
greats are always, to say the least, interesting interpretations of
their lives.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:31f5adf1-e99d-40e0...@m4g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...

I agree with SOME of your observations about the OP. Stuff like
deciding what to watch should be a JOINT ADULT decision, not
commandeered by ONE person, unless that ONE person is the only
adult in the household.

I don't believe that it is necessarily "cheapness" to not have
so-called "premium" channels. We haven't subscribed to ANY cable OR
satellite service for many years, being TOTALLY satisfied with the
7 or 8 "over-the-air" channels. However, now that Digital TV
telecasting has made our TV set obsolete (except for watching video
from our library or the public library, we watch NO television,
save for the very occasional thing available via the internet.
Frankly, even IF we did have a TV with a digital tune, we plain
WOULDN'T have the TIME to watch TV. It would mean sacrificing the
time I spend suffering the slings and barbs from you guys in this
newsgroup. I'm NOT prepared to make that large a sacrifice just to
become one of the MILLIONS of "TV zombies" who plant themselves in
front of their TVs almost EVERY friggin' night. ZOMBIES!!!, I say.
Having said that, we DO watch about an hour of educational-type
video from the public library almost every day. Everything from
African history to the U.S. fight for independence from England.



>
>
>
>
>

[Len Blanks]

Michael Pendragon <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> writes:

> On May 15, 1:13 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> In case you didn't notice, Europeon music was not popular in America
>> in the 50s and early 60s. The ones that were, I liked most of them,
>> like "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" and "Nel Blu Di Pinto Di
>> Blu."
>
> Not covers of European songs -- music stemming from European
> traditions. And when we're talking 50s pop, you've got everything
> from marches to polkas, harpsichords to trombones, and representative
> song styles from every country on the globe -- with Italy at the head
> of the line.

Just curious, have you lived anywhere outside the US? Do you speak
or read any language aside from (American) English?

--
Len

The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the
United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted,
toothy rodent known to bite off its own testicles or to stand under
its own falling trees. -- June Callwood

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 3:30 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:13e69bba-e830-4fae...@y5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...

Of course, but not only does Mike not think that Ray Charles was
great, Mike thinks that Ray Charles was terrible.

[PhillyGuy]

On May 15, 2:57 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 2:51 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > > Have you see "Ray?"
>
> > > It's on cable channels all the time.
>
> > I don't get any of the premium channels.
>
> It's on regular channels a lot.
>
> > Anyway my wife and kids control the tv set.
>
> Figures.....Fag.
>
> You've mentioned many times here that you watched certain movies,
> including watching all of Presley's movies.

I watched/re-watched all of Elvis Presley's movies a year or so ago.
All but one of these were (at that time) on Youtube.

> If you wanted to see this
> movie you could. Instead of making flimsy excuses about your wife and
> your cheapness in not having premium channels, why don't just admit
> that you don't want to watch the Nigger movie?

Bullshit. I watched "Check & Double Check" around that same time.

[PhillyGuy]

As noted the last time I'd over-posted:

1) Tom abandoned the name years ago.
2) I'm the one who made Tom abandon the name, so by rights, it's now
mine. Ears & tail.
3) It warms my wicked little heart to send Tom into a new bout of
hysterics. >;->

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

That movie is about whites in blackface portraying blacks,

Did you see "The Color Purple?"

[PhillyGuy]

On May 15, 3:36 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:31f5adf1-e99d-40e0...@m4g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...

>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 2:51 pm, PhillyGuy <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Have you see "Ray?"
>
> >> > It's on cable channels all the time.
>
> >> I don't get any of the premium channels.
>
> > It's on regular channels a lot.
>
> >> Anyway my wife and kids control the tv set.
>
> > Figures.....Fag.
>
> > You've mentioned many times here that you watched certain movies,
> > including watching all of Presley's movies. If you wanted to see
> > this
> > movie you could. Instead of making flimsy excuses about your wife
> > and
> > your cheapness in not having premium channels, why don't just
> > admit
> > that you don't want to watch the Nigger movie?
>
> I agree with SOME of your observations about the OP. Stuff like
> deciding what to watch should be a JOINT ADULT decision, not
> commandeered by ONE person, unless that ONE person is the only
> adult in the household.

There's 5 of us in my family. That averages out to 1 primetime
weeknight apiece.

> I don't believe that it is necessarily "cheapness" to not have
> so-called "premium" channels. We haven't subscribed to ANY cable OR
> satellite service for many years, being TOTALLY satisfied with the
> 7 or 8 "over-the-air" channels.  However, now that Digital TV
> telecasting has made our TV set obsolete (except for watching video
> from our library or the public library, we watch NO  television,
> save for the very occasional thing available via the internet.
> Frankly, even IF we did have a TV with a digital tune, we plain
> WOULDN'T have the TIME to watch TV. It would mean sacrificing the
> time I spend suffering the slings and barbs from you guys in this
> newsgroup. I'm NOT prepared to make that large a sacrifice just to
> become one of the MILLIONS of "TV zombies" who plant themselves in
> front of their TVs almost EVERY friggin' night. ZOMBIES!!!, I say.
> Having said that, we DO watch about an hour of educational-type
> video from the public library almost every day. Everything from
> African history to the U.S. fight for independence from England.

That's pretty the case with us. My wife and I stick to the formerly
free broadcast channels. My kids stick to Disney and Nick. The only
budding TV zombie in the family is my youngest.

[PhillyGuy]

On May 15, 4:22 pm, Len Blanks <use...@smashcapitalism.com> wrote:

> Michael Pendragon <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On May 15, 1:13 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> In case you didn't notice, Europeon music was not popular in America
> >> in the 50s and early 60s. The ones that were, I liked most of them,
> >> like "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" and "Nel Blu Di Pinto Di
> >> Blu."
>
> > Not covers of European songs -- music stemming from European
> > traditions.  And when we're talking 50s pop, you've got everything
> > from marches to polkas, harpsichords to trombones, and representative
> > song styles from every country on the globe -- with Italy at the head
> > of the line.
>
> Just curious, have you lived anywhere outside the US?  Do you speak
> or read any language aside from (American) English?

I've never lived outside of the US, but do know a few musical basics:
that polkas have a slavic origin, rhumbas are Cuban, harpsichords were
big in Western Europe in the 1600s (my namesake, Scarlatti, seemed to
have a preference for them) etc.

I speak/read French -- not well enough to carry on much of a
conversation, but I can follow a non-dialogue-heavy french film (like
Orphee) well enough w/o subtitles; and can figure out about 50% of the
content of an Edith Piaf record ... after repeated listenings. I've
got a co-worker of Haitian heritage who I often speak french/creole
with -- we're both on the same 101 level.

[Frank]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:16:17 PM UTC-4, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
> On May 15, 12:12 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 15, 11:57 am, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > On May 15, 11:29 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> >
>
> > > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > The Gene Mumford Dominos,
>
> >
>
> > > It's Dominoes
>
> >
>
> > > How about the Gene Mumford Larks?
>
> >
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ron1sw4sRc
>
> >
>
> > I'll have to check the link later.
>
> >
>
> > I tried listening to some Mumford Larks in the past, but didn't
>
> > particularly care for them.
>
>
>
> Too black.

Bruce, how do you define "too Black"? If I listed my favorite doo-wop groups the first white group I'd name is Dion and the Belmonts, maybe between 15-20.
But I don't like the Blues. Does this mean all the black doo-wop groups I loved aren't black enough sounding? How deep does one have to go before he/she can mention a song by a black singer they dislike without being told it's "too black" for them, or the reason we like it because it's a black selling out? Probably 98% of the time we could tell immediatley if the singers were black or white the first time we heard it, even back then.

[Jim Colegrove]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:03:40 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 15, 12:50�pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On May 15, 12:42�pm, Michael Pendragon

>>
>> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The truth is that you tend to dislike any music where the European
>> > influences equal or outweigh the African ones. �Although you're
>> > nowhere near as bad as Dean in this regard.
>>
>> That's not even remotely true. I prefer the Beatles and Kinks records
>> with Europeon influences over most of the British bands who had more
>> black influences.
>>
>> I like "Penny Lane" and "A Well Respected Man" much better than I like
>> most black records of that era.
>
>I'm talking about the music discussed in *this* newsgroup: 1946-64.
>

>> And the truth is that you don't like any black artists whose music has
>> been influenced by the black church.
>
>I listed Sam Cooke among the black artists I like. He's known to have
>black church influences.
>

Speaking of Sam:
Do you like "Must Jesus Bear the Cross Alone"?
Or "Touch The Hem of His Garment"?
How about "Wonderful"?


Jim Colegrove
www.thecoolgroove.com

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:45228003-d597-4cbd...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

Is Whoopi REALLY white? Say it ain't so!


>
>
>

[Sharx35]

"Frank" <espo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:03464c93-0841-46a6...@googlegroups.com...

Well said.

[Len Blanks]

Thanks.
--
Len

It is always possible to aglutenate multiple separate problems into a
single complex interdependent solution. In most cases this is a bad
idea -- RFC 1925

[Sharx35]

"Len Blanks" <use...@smashcapitalism.com> wrote in message
news:m21u974...@haruspex.net...

Len, my French would be on par with yours--I can understand un peu
and make myself known...more or less.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 15, 6:35 pm, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Bruce, how do you define "too Black"? If I listed my favorite doo-wop groups the first white group I'd name is Dion and the Belmonts, maybe between 15-20.
> But I don't like the Blues. Does this mean all the black doo-wop groups I loved aren't black enough sounding?

Obviously most of the vocal groups did not spound overly black
otherwise doo wop music would not have become so huge with white
teenagers.

The vocal groups that you don't like that much probably are the Five
Royales, the Spiders, James Brown and the Famous Flames, the
Midnighters, etc....

[Michael Pendragon]

No kidding. I made a funny. :-)

> Did you see "The Color Purple?"

No, but it's on my "to watch" list.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 16, 12:07 am, Michael Pendragon

Put "Ray" on that list and give us your honest opinion of the movie,
aside from what you think of his music.

[Michael Pendragon]

I've got (What a) Wonderful World. :-)

Being a lyrics man, I'm not to into Jesus songs, and only collect
hymns from my really big favorites (Elvis Presley, Frankie Laine, Pat
Boone, Kay Starr, and a few others). I haven't heard any of the Sam
Cooke hymns.

[Bob Roman]

On May 15, 1:03 pm, Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> But when their environment has little-to-nothing to recommend it, an
> accurate expression of it has little-to-nothing to offer.

Wow.

Such an escapist point-of-view will lead you to a very shallow
sensibility.

--
BR

[Jim Colegrove]

You really don't have to be into Jesus songs to appreciate gospel
music. The only difference between it and secular music is to swap
"Jesus" for "baby."

Jim Colegrove
www.thecoolgroove.com

[Michael Pendragon]

The fact that I don't care for Jesus songs doesn't mean that I haven't
read the bible. Likewise, the fact that I don't care for songs about
poverty, crime, and innercity life doesn't mean that I'm unfamiliar
with these subjects.

Some subjects are better suited to newspaper articles, social science
courses, and bleeding heart soap boxes than to songs.

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 16, 7:32 am, Jim Colegrove <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:13:28 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>
>
>
>
>

Agreed ... to some extent. "Didn't He Moan" by Frankie Laine & The
Four Lads totally rocks me in spite of its message.

But the in the end, I'm still listening to a Jesus song. And if I'm
going to make allowances for the lyrics the singer's voice has to
justify my doing so.

I like Sam Cooke's voice, but not enough to go into Jesus territory.

[Bob Roman]

On May 16, 8:27 am, Michael Pendragon

Wow.

Such a shallow sensibility will stunt you in your decades-long quest
be an artist.

--
BR

[Michael Pendragon]

Now I designate Beauty as the province of the poem, merely because it
is an obvious rule of Art that effects should be made to spring from
direct causes—that objects should be attained through means best
adapted for their attainment—no one as yet having been weak enough to
deny that the peculiar elevation alluded to is most readily attained
in the poem. Now the object Truth, or the satisfaction of the
intellect, and the object Passion, or the excitement of the heart,
are, although attainable to a certain extent in poetry, far more
readily attainable in prose. Truth, in fact, demands a precision, and
Passion, a homeliness (the truly passionate will comprehend me), which
are absolutely antagonistic to that Beauty which, I maintain, is the
excitement or pleasurable elevation of the soul. It by no means
follows, from anything here said, that passion, or even truth, may not
be introduced, and even profitably introduced, into a poem for they
may serve in elucidation, or aid the general effect, as do discords in
music, by contrast—but the true artist will always contrive, first, to
tone them into proper subservience to the predominant aim, and,
secondly, to enveil them, as far as possible, in that Beauty which is
the atmosphere and the essence of the poem. -- Edgar A. Poe, The
Philosophy of Composition

Ditto for songs.

[Frank]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:38:19 PM UTC-4, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
> On May 15, 6:35 pm, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Bruce, how do you define "too Black"? If I listed my favorite doo-wop groups the first white group I'd name is Dion and the Belmonts, maybe between 15-20.
>
> > But I don't like the Blues. Does this mean all the black doo-wop groups I loved aren't black enough sounding?
>
>
>
> Obviously most of the vocal groups did not spound overly black
>
> otherwise doo wop music would not have become so huge with white
>
> teenagers.
>
>

Obviously not! If we knew immediately at age 12 or 13 that a group was black how could they not sound "overly black"? The Dubs, 5 Satins, Moonglows, Flamingoes, the Students, FL and the Teenagers, "Desiree" by the Charts, the Cleftones...etc, sound just as black to me as the 5 Royales or the Spiders, although I don't know their discography very well. They appealed to us teen-agers not because they didn't sound "overly black" but because their sound appealed to us. It was fresh and different. It had nothing to do with their race. Same with single artists. CB, Fats, LR were huge with us and they all sounded pretty black to me.

>


> The vocal groups that you don't like that much probably are the Five
>
> Royales, the Spiders, James Brown and the Famous Flames, the
>
> Midnighters, etc....

Incorrect. Yes to James Brown and the Famous Flames, No to the Spiders and the 5 Royales. I listened to "Tears of Joy" and "Dedicated to the One I Love" and they sound no "blacker" than the Shirelles version.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

You're listening to the wrong songs. Try these.

FIVE ROYALES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86KzwEXnrDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfSNGLbAEWU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d7KlWRyu0Y

MIDNIGHTERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZCNB0rZTlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookn0rcoA_8 (second song)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVSHmdTeSsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKKKYfoq2oE

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 16, 11:06 am, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:38:19 PM UTC-4, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
> > On May 15, 6:35 pm, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Bruce, how do you define "too Black"? If I listed my favorite doo-wop groups the first white group I'd name is Dion and the Belmonts, maybe between 15-20.
>
> > > But I don't like the Blues. Does this mean all the black doo-wop groups I loved aren't black enough sounding?
>
> > Obviously most of the vocal groups did  not spound overly black
>
> > otherwise doo wop music would not have become so huge with white
>
> > teenagers.
>
> Obviously not! If we knew immediately at age 12 or 13 that a group was black how could they not sound "overly black"? The Dubs, 5 Satins, Moonglows, Flamingoes, the Students, FL and the Teenagers, "Desiree" by the Charts, the Cleftones...etc, sound just as black to me as the 5 Royales or the Spiders,

If the Cleftones, to you, sound just as black as the Five Royales
something is wrong. Diane thought the Cleftones were white back then.
The groups that have a big gospel influence (Midnighters, Five
Royales, James Brown and the Famous Flames) sound much more black than
the pop influenced groups like the Teenagers, Cleftones, etc...

[Michael Pendragon]

In other words, you're using the term "black" to (incorrectly) signify
traditionally black-dominated genres (like Gospel), and not in any way
connected with race in a biological or genetic sense (deeper/higher
voice, etc.).

My question is why bring in the race card at all?

Say that Frank doesn't like groups that exhibit a strong gospel
influence. It's clear, concise, and saves everyone the trouble of
having to read through a dozen posts bickering over semantics.

"Too black" is a meaningless phrase. And, obviously, one calculated
to fan a flame war on the subject of racial prejudices. Wayback Jack
might have gone for your bait, but I fear that the Nation of Islam
finally got around to lynching him.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 16, 11:45 am, Michael Pendragon

<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Say that Frank doesn't like groups that exhibit a strong gospel
> influence.

But he also doesn't like blues. It's much easier to say "too black"
than it is to say "he doesn't like a blues influence or a gospel
influence."

> "Too black" is a meaningless phrase.

Not where I come from it isn't. It's not like I invented it. I've
heard it from music friends for decades.

[Michael Pendragon]

On May 16, 11:57 am, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 11:45 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Say that Frank doesn't like groups that exhibit a strong gospel
> > influence.
>
> But he also doesn't like blues. It's much easier to say "too black"
> than it is to say "he doesn't like a blues influence or a gospel
> influence."

It may be easier to say it (lazy ass), but it's even easier to say it
clearly, once, and be done with it.

> > "Too black" is a meaningless phrase.
>
> Not where I come from it isn't. It's not like I invented it. I've
> heard it from music friends for decades.

Colloquialisms don't work on the internet unless all of the
participants hail from the same region. I've heard the phrase before
as well, but even knowing it, in the context of your statement, it's
vauge and open to interpretation.

It's meaningless on a semantic basis. It literally means that at some
point the amount of pigmentation in one's skin reaches an unacceptable
level.

[Frank]

>
>
>
> You're listening to the wrong songs. Try these.
>
>
>
> FIVE ROYALES
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86KzwEXnrDE
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfSNGLbAEWU
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d7KlWRyu0Y
>
>
>
> MIDNIGHTERS
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZCNB0rZTlA
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookn0rcoA_8 (second song)
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVSHmdTeSsA
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKKKYfoq2oE

I listened to "Help Me Somebody", "I Got to Know", She's the One" and "teardrops on Your Letter". In no way are they "too black" to me. They were all very good and I'm pretty sure is the first time I heard any of them.
IMHO, you are painting with too broad a brush when you tell someone a song is too black for them. Only in Mike's case do I find that be true and I'll always believe that part of what he says is in the role of provacateur... he's admitted as much to a certain degree.
On more than one occasion here, I've championed "Shout" as the greatest party song ever, and it's as black sounding as it gets