The way Bruce Grossberg (a.k.a. "50s") likes to twist words and facts
yougotl...@yahoo.com
incomplete, and therefore
misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post of
mine:
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On Oct 30, 7:27 pm, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 8:09 pm, "yougotlucky...@yahoo.com"
>
> <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I'm sure I don't know very much.
>
> > Larry
>
> We FINALLY agree 100% on something.
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You take my honest, unadorned, and straightforward comment out of
context.
Far be it for "50s" (Bruce Grossberg) to offer fair and balanced
criticism, or much less, an objective overview, when instead you can
grandstand in the cause of self-aggrandizement, peacock-style, at
someone else's expense, when opportunity proffers, even at the expense
of a truer picture, if not the truth itself?
The context when I said such a thing was from a background of either
owning or being familiar with a good number of R&B and blues records,
each quite significant, from the pre-Elvis era, including:
Fat Man - Fats Domino
Lovey Dovey - The Clovers
He's a Real Gone Guy - Nellie Lutcher
Gloria - The Cadillacs
Three Blazers/Drifting Blues
Good Rockin' Tonight - Wynonie Harris
Mess Around - Ray Charles
Sixty Minute Man - The Dominoes
Feelin' Good - Little Junior's Blues Flames
Rollin' Stone - Muddy Waters
Shake Rattle & Roll - Joe Turner
Just Walkin' in the Rain - The Prisonaires
Get It - The Royals
High & Lonesome - Jimmy Reed
Shake a Hand - Faye Adams
Gone With the Wind - Lightnin' Hopkins
Such a Night - Clyde McPhatter & The Drifters
Moanin' at Midnight - Howlin' Wolf
My Song - Johnny Ace
Choo-Choo-Cha-Boogie - Louis Jordan
New Blowtop Blues - Dinah Washington
Baby Please - The Moonglows
Blue Monday - Smiley Lewis
Bobby Sox Blues - T-Bone Walker
Thornton Hound Dog - Willie Mae
Money Honey - Clyde McPhatter & The Drifters
Mean Old World - Little Walter
Work With Me Annie - The Royals/Midnighters
I'm Mad - Willie Mabon
Fat Daddy - Dinah Washington
Sunday Kind of Love - The Harptones
Please Don't Leave Me - Fats Domino
Crudup So Glad You're Mine - Arthur Big Boy
Sh-Boom - The Chords
Mystery Train - Little Junior Parker
I'm Your Hoochie Coochie Man - Muddy Waters
Hurry on Down - Nellie Lutcher
Saturday Night Fish Fry - Louis Jordan
Fool Fool Fool - The Clovers
Tweedle Dee - LaVern Baker
Glory of Love - The Five Keys
Train Kept a-Rollin' - Tiny Bradshaw
Nine Below Zero - Sonny Boy Williamson
Have Mercy Baby - The Dominoes
It Should Have Been Me - Ray Charles
Mama He Treats Your Daughter Mean - Ruth Brown
How Many More Years - Howlin' Wolf
Rocket 88 - Jackie Brenston
One Monkey Don' Stop No Show - Big Maybelle
Thinking About My Mother - Little Richard
Sexy Ways - The Midnighters
Fine Brown Frame - Nellie Lutcher
Black Night - Charles Brown
Chicken Shack Boogie - Amos Milburn
Ting-a-Ling - The Clovers
Mambo Baby - Ruth Brown
You Don't Have to Go - Jimmy Reed
Honey Love - Clyde McPhatter & The Drifters
Goin' Home - Fats Domino
I'd Be Satisfied - Billy Ward & The Dominoes
Cryin' in the Chapel - The Orioles
Ling Ting Tong - Five keys
Bostic Flamingo - Earl Bostic
Saving My Love For You - Johnny Ace
Good Morning Judge - Wynonie Harris
Reconsider Baby - Lowell Fulson
I'll Be True - Faye Adams
Baby Don't Do It - The '5' Royales
Goodnight Sweetheart Goodnight - The Spaniels
Gotta Gimme What'cha Got - Julia Lee & Her Boy Friends
Blues With a Feeling - Little Walter
Boogie Woogie Blue Plate - Louis Jordan
I Don't Know - Willie Mabon
Riot in Cell Block #9 - The Robins
Church Bells May Ring - Willows
Just Make Love to Me - Muddy Waters
Your Cash Ain't Nothin' But Trash - The Clovers
Love My Baby - Little Junior & Blue Flames
Sincerely - The Moonglows
Juke - Little Walter
Gabbin' Blues - Big Maybelle
Rags to Riches - Billy Ward & The Dominoes
I Feel So Bad - Chuck Willis
Tipitina - Professor Longhair
Eyesight to the Blind - The Larks
Annie Had a Baby - The Midnighters
Don't You Know - Ray Charles
I'm Wild About You Baby - Lightnin' Hopkins
Caldonia - Louis Jordan
Teach Me Tonight - Dinah Washington
Wrong Yo Yo - Piano Red
Gee - The Crows
Bip Bam - Clyde McPhatter & The Drifters
Goin' to the River - Fats Domino
Sim Lucy Mae Blues - Frankie Lee
Ol' Man River - Ravens
Honey Hush - Joe Turner
Teardrops From My Eyes - Ruth Brown
Crying at Daybreak - Howlin' Wolf
Hey Ba-Ba-Re-Bop - Lionel Hampton & His Orchestra
Bon Ton Roula - Clarence Garlow
Ma Rainey - Memphis Minnie
I'm Gonna Move to the Outskirts of Town - Louis Jordan & His Tympany
5
Mean Old Frisco - Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup
Bourgeois Blues - Leadbelly
Mean Old World - T-Bone Walker
Evil Gal Blues - Dinah Washington
I Wonder - Cecil Gant
Blood on the Moon - Hot Lips Page
Chicago Breakdown - Big Maceo Merriweather
Angels in Harlem - Doctor Clayton
Billie's Blues - Billie Holiday
Hoodoo Hoodoo - Sonny Boy Williamson
Good Rockin' Tonight - Roy Brown
Trouble Blues - Charles Brown
Crawlin' King Snake - John Lee Hooker
When Things Go Wrong With You (It Hurts Me Too) - Tampa Red
Cairo Blues - Melvin "Lil' Son" Jackson
Black Angel Blues (Sweet Black Angel) - Robert Nighthawk
Mardi Gras in New Orleans - Professor Longhair
Every Day I Have the Blues - Lowell Fulson
Double Crossing Blues - Johnny Otis Quintette, Esther Phillips
Rollin' and Tumblin', Pt. 1 - Muddy Waters
Mother Earth - Memphis Slim
Dust My Broom - Elmore James
How Many More Years - Howlin' Wolf
Black, Brown and White - Big Bill Broonzy
Rocket 88 - Jackie Brenston
Juke - Little Walter
Five Long Years - Eddie Boyd
Mean Old World - Little Walter
I Smell a Rat - Big Mama Thornton
Gabbin' Blues (Don't Run My Business) - Big Maybelle, Leroy Kirkland
That's All Right, Mama - Big Bill Broonzy
Things That I Used to Do - Guitar Slim
Eisenhower Blues - J.B. Lenoir
Okie Dokie Stomp - Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown,
Come Back Baby - Ray Charles
How Long, How Long Blues - Jimmy Rushing
Cherry Red - Big Joe Turner
San Francisco Bay Blues - Jesse Fuller
I Can't Quit You Baby - Otis Rush
Three Hours Past Midnight - Johnny "Guitar" Watson
T-Bone Walker - Stormy Monday Blues
etc. (that's enough songs for some context, here, which Bruce
deliberately avoids)
etc.
So, when I said, "I don't know much", I assayed modest forthright
honesty, which B. "Savoy/50s" Grossberg not only doesn't appreciate,
but opportunes for a chance to exploit that type of thing just for
things like to build himself up at someone else's expense. Of course
there are hundreds of more records from this era (give or take 5 years
this way (forward in time) or that way (backwards in time) from
January 1, 1950, not to mention C&W records (which I also could have
added to the list of things old, old, country music I'm familiar
with), and that's what I meant by the fact that I don't know much; but
compared to many people, who actually consider themselves 1950's rock
and roll fans, it could also be argued "I know quite a lot", but
that's relative of course. Compared to the average 1950's music fan,
my knowledge may be considered the shallow vis-a-vis experts, and
archival enthusiasts, but may be considered unusually knowledgeable
compared to casual oldies fans of the 1950's music.
Yes, far be it for Savoy Grossberg (aka "50s") to provide the whole
quote, when he quoted me out of context, which was:
"It might be nice to all the way back to 1948, the best year argument
for the birth year of rock and roll, the first year to gestate some
everlasting hits (Good Rockin' Tonight and It's Too Soon To Know),
but
I doubt there are enough people interested or knowledgeable about the
raw roots of rock and roll to make the effort tenable. I like some
of that music, (among a LOT of other things) but I'm sure I don't
know
very much."
There's an old saying that a lie can travel half-way around the world
while the truth is still getting its shoes on, and I think some of
that is appropriate here.
Beware of the vain. They may not provide an accurate, and therefore,
true picture. If you're looking for unslanted or unvarnished truth,
my advice is NOT to be on getting from Usenet post "50s".
Larry Ingersoll
50s
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The way in which Bruce Grossberg as to be fair and balanced, objective
of the truth itself was quite significant,
Thank you very much, Larry/Tom.
Rocky
news:c1aec968-2cc9-473a...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> The way in which Bruce Grossberg
That's one.
> bends truth, so as to be relatively
> incomplete, and therefore
> misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post of
> mine:
> .......................................................................
> ........................................... On Oct 30, 7:27 pm, 50s
> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 30, 8:09 pm, "yougotlucky...@yahoo.com"
>>
>> <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I'm sure I don't know very much.
>>
>> > Larry
>>
>> We FINALLY agree 100% on something.
> .......................................................................
> .............................................
>
> You take my honest, unadorned, and straightforward comment out of
> context.
> Far be it for "50s" (Bruce Grossberg)
That's two.
No shit.
> here, which Bruce
That's three.
> deliberately avoids)
> etc.
>
> So, when I said, "I don't know much", I assayed modest forthright
I keep forgettin'. What was that guy's name again? You've only told me
three times so far.
> honesty, which B. "Savoy/50s" Grossberg
Ah. Thanks.
That's four.
> not only doesn't appreciate,
> but opportunes for a chance to exploit that type of thing just for
> things like to build himself up at someone else's expense. Of course
> there are hundreds of more records from this era (give or take 5 years
> this way (forward in time) or that way (backwards in time) from
> January 1, 1950, not to mention C&W records (which I also could have
> added to the list of things old, old, country music I'm familiar
> with), and that's what I meant by the fact that I don't know much; but
> compared to many people, who actually consider themselves 1950's rock
> and roll fans, it could also be argued "I know quite a lot", but
> that's relative of course. Compared to the average 1950's music fan,
> my knowledge may be considered the shallow vis-a-vis experts, and
> archival enthusiasts, but may be considered unusually knowledgeable
> compared to casual oldies fans of the 1950's music.
>
> Yes, far be it for Savoy Grossberg (aka "50s")
That's Five
> to provide the whole
> quote, when he quoted me out of context, which was:
>
> "It might be nice to all the way back to 1948, the best year argument
> for the birth year of rock and roll, the first year to gestate some
> everlasting hits (Good Rockin' Tonight and It's Too Soon To Know),
> but
> I doubt there are enough people interested or knowledgeable about the
> raw roots of rock and roll to make the effort tenable. I like some
> of that music, (among a LOT of other things) but I'm sure I don't
> know
> very much."
>
> There's an old saying that a lie can travel half-way around the world
> while the truth is still getting its shoes on, and I think some of
> that is appropriate here.
>
> Beware of the vain. They may not provide an accurate, and therefore,
> true picture. If you're looking for unslanted or unvarnished truth,
> my advice is NOT to be on getting from Usenet post "50s".
Your advice is what exactly? "NOT to be on getting from"? WTF? I spent
the better part of two days reading this novel, and you fuck up the
ending?
>
> Larry Ingersoll
Bravo Bruce. You wrote five little words, and caused him to lose his
mind.
50s
>
> Bravo Bruce. You wrote five little words, and caused him to lose his
> mind.
This happened long ago already. I wonder if he was wracking that pea
brain all this time to come up with this stupendous reply?
Dean F.
a sight to behold. For chrissake, Larry, seek professional help!
50s
> When grown-up, seemingly intelligent people ???
Larry ???
DCar...@aol.com
> incomplete, and therefore
> misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post of
> mine:
> On Oct 30, 7:27 pm, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:> On Oct 30, 8:09 pm, "yougotlucky...@yahoo.com"
>
> > <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I'm sure I don't know very much.
>
> > > Larry
>
> > We FINALLY agree 100% on something.
>
No, Tommy, you got your shoes on...you just step on your dick
everytime if the real truth be know, baby!!
Dennis C from Tennessee
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> a sight to behold. For chrissake, Larry, seek professional help!
I never begrudged you, Dean, for not taking s**t a few years ago when
you were getting it right and left from "Charles Rogan", time and
again, and sometimes I don't have such a big appetite for 'eating it'
either. But this is certainly not the first time we have found you
not being able to abide in others (even to a much lesser degree) what
you like to practice or allow sway for in yourself, on occasion.
There's a one-word term for that, which I'll leave unmentioned at this
point. When it comes to railing, though, I think you can rail with
the best of them, Dean.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> a sight to behold. For chrissake, Larry, seek professional help!
And another thing, Dean:
You go "tilting against windmills (Don Quixote style)" trying to
"infuriate" the one certifiably congenitally/terminally mad person
(Marx) in the newsgroup, with his being the only known and
deliberately visible chronically objector to non "whitebread" tastes
and purveyor of snarly declamations of good records otherwise hold
forth, and it's like using a bazooka to ring a door bell, in front of
the rest of us. (talk about overkill) Before you talk about other
people going off the rails (is this your hope, or fond guilty
pleasure?), I think you better set your own course straight. In the
meantime, I will sidestep unsolicited, chopping-at-the-bit advice-
giving from individuals who at times have appeared off their rocker,
themselves. - Larry
50s
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You go "tilting against windmills (Don Quixote style)" trying to
> "infuriate" the one certifiably congenitally/terminally mad person
> (Marx) in the newsgroup, with his being the only known and
> deliberately visible chronically objector to non "whitebread" tastes
> and purveyor of snarly declamations of good records otherwise hold
> forth, and it's like using a bazooka to ring a door bell, in front of
> the rest of us.
LOL....this has got to be the worst example I've ever seen of a
totally incoherent run-on sentence.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> > When grown-up, seemingly intelligent people jump the rails, it's truly
> > a sight to behold. For chrissake, Larry, seek professional help!
>
> And another thing, Dean:
>
> You go "tilting against windmills (Don Quixote style)" trying to
> "infuriate" the one certifiably congenitally/terminally mad person
> <snip for brevity> ................................................................,
> and it's like using a bazooka to ring a door bell, in front of the rest of us.
> (talk about overkill) Before you talk about other people going off the rails
> (is this your hope, or fond guilty pleasure?), I think you better set your own
> the-bit advice- giving from individuals who at times have appeared off their rocker,
> themselves. - Larry
I certain have enough discretion to recognize when (1) if Dean thinks
his rushing to help with unsolicited advice is derived from anything
on the order, say, of "compassionate understanding", he's not fooling
me, at least. I'd just as well take advice from someone who likes to
pull the legs out of insects while they're alive. Same degree of
good will from a well-meaning or proper source, it would be. (2) Go
hawk your wares of fool's gold elsewhere, Dean. Caveat Emptor.
And he wants to call me, mad? I don't think he's too tightly wrapped
himself.
DCar...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't think he's too tightly wrapped
himself.
Not as tight as he use to be!!! He's lost 70 pounds, baby!!
You keep suckin' up, Larry and you will liposuck the rest of the
lipids right out of the Deanster, baby!!!
Dennis C from Tennessee
Rocky
news:760f4ded-9852-41b2...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
Translation?
Rocky
news:1651fd19-a75b-45ce...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
Is it possigble to get a translation of this for the English speaking
readers?
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not for people who cannot read, no. Much less think in a
constructive manner; no to that, as well.
50s
Sharx35
<yougotl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:760f4ded-9852-41b2...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Neaner. Neaner. Neaner. And its SHARX, not Marx.
RWC
>The way in which Bruce Grossberg bends truth, so as to be relatively
>incomplete, and therefore
>misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post of
>mine:
>..................................................................................................................
Larry, you seem to take Bruce and Dean far too seriously.
Why are they worth the trouble you are taking? Tell us.
Neither Bruce nor Dean will be moved by your well thought out, but to
a cursory onlooker - scanning your thick paragraphs - *seemingly*
convoluted denunciations/explanations.
With respect, either take Bruce and Dean less seriously, or consider
promoting your thoughts in a more edible style.
Effectively *sell* your ideas, don't just blurt out your intelligent
sensitive feelings. Think of the *target audience* and their
attributes, the way they think, and how they might comprehend and
respond to your statements.
I don't claim to be good at this, but at least I'm aware which might
help a bit :-)
Geoff
DCar...@aol.com
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:29:19 -0800 (PST), "yougotlucky...@yahoo.com"
>
> <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >The way in which Bruce Grossberg bends truth, so as to be relatively
> >incomplete, and therefore
> >misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post of
> >mine:
>
> Larry, you seem to take Bruce and Dean far too seriously.
>
> Why are they worth the trouble you are taking? Tell us.
>
> Neither Bruce nor Dean will be moved by your well thought out, but to
> a cursory onlooker - scanning your thick paragraphs - *seemingly*
> convoluted denunciations/explanations.
>
> With respect, either take Bruce and Dean less seriously, or consider
> promoting your thoughts in a more edible style.
>
> Effectively *sell* your ideas, don't just blurt out your intelligent
> sensitive feelings. Think of the *target audience* and their
> attributes, the way they think, and how they might comprehend and
> respond to your statements.
>
> I don't claim to be good at this, but at least I'm aware which might
> help a bit :-)
>
> Geoff
I hosestly think that when Larry goes back for his physical checkup.
they are going to find the nascent evoloutional beginnings of an old
Jewish vagina, baby!!!
Dennis C from Tennessee
Rocky
news:a3ae3368-6619-4f19...@p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 11, 6:22�am, RWC <letsr...@opbox.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:29:19 -0800 (PST), "yougotlucky...@yahoo.com"
>>
>> <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >The way in which Bruce Grossberg bends truth, so as to be relatively
>> >incomplete, and therefore
>> >misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post
>> >of mine:
>> >.....................................................................
>> >...
> ..�........................................
>>
>> Larry, you seem to take Bruce and Dean far too seriously.
>>
>> Why are they worth the trouble you are taking? Tell us.
>>
>> Neither Bruce nor Dean will be moved by your well thought out, but to
>> a cursory onlooker - scanning your thick paragraphs - *seemingly*
>> convoluted denunciations/explanations.
>>
>> With respect, either take Bruce and Dean less seriously, or consider
>> promoting your thoughts in a more edible style.
>>
>> Effectively *sell* your ideas, don't just blurt out your intelligent
>> sensitive feelings. Think of the *target audience* and their
>> attributes, the way they think, and how they might comprehend and
>> respond to your statements.
>>
>> I don't claim to be good at this, but at least I'm aware which might
>> help a bit :-)
>>
>> Geoff
>
> I hosestly think that when Larry goes back for his physical checkup.
> they are going to find the nascent evoloutional beginnings of an old
> Jewish vagina, baby!!!
>
> Dennis C from Tennessee
>
I can picture it, and its not a pretty sight.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >The way in which Bruce Grossberg bends truth, so as to be relatively
> >incomplete, and therefore
> >misleading picture of things, such as this reply to a previous post of
> >mine:
>
> Larry, you seem to take Bruce and Dean far too seriously.
>
> Why are they worth the trouble you are taking? Tell us.
>
> Neither Bruce nor Dean will be moved by your well thought out, but to
> a cursory onlooker - scanning your thick paragraphs - *seemingly*
> convoluted denunciations/explanations.
>
> With respect, either take Bruce and Dean less seriously, or consider
> promoting your thoughts in a more edible style.
>
> Effectively *sell* your ideas, don't just blurt out your intelligent
> sensitive feelings. Think of the *target audience* and their
> attributes, the way they think, and how they might comprehend and
> respond to your statements.
>
> I don't claim to be good at this, but at least I'm aware which might
> help a bit :-)
>
> Geoff
I appreciate your approach. Yours is probably the only response
worth thinking about so far. I will put what you have to say on my
scales of consideration, but I am what I am, and if certain people
want to play smash-mouth football, that's the only thing they're going
to get in return from me; I don't take a kick passively - some people
haven't learned that yet. But, thank-you (sincerely).
xpen...@gmail.com
Ingy, it's a miracle the whole internet doesn't crash with all the
bandwidth you suck up whenever you post.