RESULTS! : THE POP BATTLE!! : Round One - Part Two

[Roger Ford]

Here are the voting results in Round One - Part Two of the Pop Battle.
22 people vorred. There were THREE draws :-

> 2 Billy Vaughn -- Melody Of Love -- Dot 15247 -- 1954
>16 Doris Day -- Secret Love -- Columbia 40108 -- 1953
>
WINNER : DAY

>16 Frank Sinatra -- I've Got You Under My Skin -- Capitol W653 -- 1956
> 3 The Gaylords -- The Little Shoemaker -- Mercury 70403 -- 1954
>
WINNER : SINATRA

> 8 Peggy Lee -- Lover -- Decca 28215 -- 1952
> 9 Kitty Kallen -- Little Things Mean A Lot -- Decca 29037 -- 1954
>
WINNER : KALLEN

>12 Sarah Vaughan -- Serenata -- Roulette 4285 -- 1960
> 5 The Fleetwoods -- Goodnight My Love -- Dolton 75 -- 1963
>
WINNER : VAUGHAN

> 3 Pat Boone -- Ain't That A Shame -- Dot 15377 -- 1955
>16 Dean Martin -- Return To Me -- Capitol 3894 -- 1958
>
WINNER : MARTIN

> 6 Tommy Edwards -- It's All In The Game (1950 version) -- M-G-M 11035 -- 1951
>15 Nat "King" Cole -- Stardust -- Capitol W824 -- 1957
>
WINNER : COLE

>12 Roy Hamilton -- You'll Never Walk Alone -- Epic 9015 -- 1954
> 6 Connie Stevens -- Sixteen Reasons -- Warner Bros 5137 -- 1959
>
WINNER : HAMILTON

> 8 Eileen Barton -- If I Knew You Were Comin' (I'd've Baked A Cake) -- National 9103 -- 1950
> 9 Tab Hunter -- Young Love -- Dot 15533 -- 1956
>
WINNER : HUNTER

> 6 Les Paul & Mary Ford -- Just One More Chance -- Capitol 1825 -- 1951
>14 Connie Francis -- Where The Boys Are -- M-G-M 12971 -- 1961
>
WINNER : FRANCIS

> 1 The Ink Spots -- Bewildered -- Decca 24566 -- 1949
>18 Nat "King" Cole -- Too Young -- Capitol 1449 -- 1951
>
WINNER : COLE

>14 Carole King -- It Might As Well Rain Until September -- Companion 2000 -- 1962
> 7 Archie Bleyer -- Hernando's Hideaway -- Cadence 1241 -- 1954
>
WINNER : KING

>17 Tony Bennett -- I Left My Heart In San Francisco -- Columbia 42332 -- 1962
> 3 Harry Belafonte -- Scarlet Ribbons -- RCA 47-5051 -- 1952
>
WINNER : BENNETT

>11 Ella Fitzgerald -- Manhattan -- Verve 10050 -- 1957
>10 Brook Benton -- Frankie And Johnny -- Mercury 71859 -- 1961
>
WINNER : FITZGERALD

>17 Marty Robbins -- A White Sport Coat -- Columbia 40869 -- 1957
> 4 The Andrews Sisters -- I Can Dream Can't I -- Decca 24705 -- 1949
>
WINNER : ROBBINS

> 8 Teresa Brewer -- Ricochet -- Coral 61043 -- 1953
>11 Frank Sinatra -- Learnin' The Blues -- Capitol 3102 -- 1955
>
WINNER : SINATRA

> 8 The Ames Brothers -- The Naughty Lady Of Shady Lane -- RCA 47-5897 -- 1954
>12 Toni Fisher -- The Big Hurt -- Signet 275 -- 1959
>
WINNER : FISHER

>18 The String-A-Longs -- Wheels -- Warwick 603 -- 1960
> 3 Steve & Eydie -- I Want To Stay Here -- Columbia 42815 -- 1963
>
WINNER : STRING-A-LONGS

>14 Vaughn Monroe -- Riders In The Sky (A Cowboy Legend) -- RCA 47-2902 -- 1949
> 5 Nat "King" Cole -- Lover Come Back To Me -- Capitol 2610 -- 1953
>
WINNER : MONROE

>13 The Browns -- The Three Bells -- RCA 47-7555 -- 1959
> 9 Jimmie Rodgers -- Secretly -- Roulette 4070 -- 1958
>
WINNER : BROWNS

> 8 Kay Starr -- Rock And Roll Waltz -- RCA 47-6359 -- 1955
>12 Kenny Ball & His Jazzmen -- Midnight In Moscow -- UK Pye Jazz 2049 -- 1961
>
WINNER : BALL

> 8 Rosemary Clooney -- Half As Much -- Columbia 39710 -- 1952
>11 The Four Preps -- More Money For You And Me -- Capitol 4599 -- 1961
>
WINNER : PREPS

> 2 Les Baxter -- April In Portugal -- Capitol 2374 -- 1953
>19 Bobby Darin -- Beyond The Sea -- Atco 6158 -- 1960
>
WINNER : DARIN

>12 Frankie Laine -- Mule Train -- Mercury 5345 -- 1949
> 7 Pat Boone -- A Wonderful Time Up There -- Dot 15690 -- 1958
>
WINNER : LAINE

>10 Billy Eckstine -- I Apologize -- M-G-M 10903 -- 1951
>10 Mitch Miller -- The Yellow Rose Of Texas -- Columbia 40540 -- 1955
>
The first of those draws---and here's how it resolves using Rick's
rankings in the yearly Singles Battles (see history page on the web
site),

Eckstine in 1951 ranked 81

Miller in 1955 ranked 247

On nthose figures...

WINNER : ECKSTINE

> 8 Roy Hamilton -- Hurt -- Epic 9086 -- 1954
>10 Patti Page -- Allagheny Moon -- Mercury 70878 -- 1956
>
WINNER : PAGE

>14 Tony Bennett -- Stranger In Paradise -- Columbia 40121 -- 1953
> 4 Billy Vaughn -- The Shifting,Whispering Sands -- Dot 15409 -- 1955
>
WINNER : BENNETT

>15 Al Caiola -- The Magnificent Seven -- United Artists 261 -- 1960
> 4 Roger Williams -- Autumn Leaves -- Kapp 116 -- 1955
>
WINNER : CAIOLA

> 3 Louis Prima & Keely Smith -- Oh Babe -- Robin Hood 101 -- 1950
>17 Ketty Lester -- Love Letters -- Era 3068 -- 1962
>
WINNER : LESTER

>16 Dean Martin -- That's Amore -- Capitol 2589 -- 1953
> 4 King Cole Trio -- Naughty Angeline -- Capitol 437 -- 1947
>
WINNER : MARTIN

> 1 Georgia Gibbs -- Tweedle Dee -- Mercury 70514 -- 1954
>17 Frank Sinatra -- Chicago -- Capitol 3793 -- 1957
>
WINNER : SINATRA

> 7 David Seville & The Chipmunks -- The Chipmunk Song -- Liberty 55168 -- 1958
>14 Tommy Edwards -- Please Mister Sun -- M-G-M 12757 -- 1959
>
WINNER : EDWARDS

> 8 The Four Lads -- Standing On The Corner -- Columbia 40674 -- 1956
>13 Nat "King" Cole -- Those Lazy Hazy Crazy Days Of Summer -- Capitol 4965 -- 1963
>
WINNER : COLE

>17 Les Paul & Mary Ford -- How High The Moon -- Capitol 1451 -- 1951
> 2 Paul Anka -- It's Time To Cry -- ABC-Paramount 10064 -- 1959
>
WINNER : PAUL/FORD

> 2 Andy Williams -- Canadian Sunset -- Cadence 1297 -- 1956
>19 The Platters -- Smoke Gets In Your Eyes -- Mercury 71383 -- 1958
>
WINNER : PLATTERS

> 4 Pee Wee Hunt -- Twelfth Street Rag -- Capitol 15105 -- 1948
>14 Teresa Brewer -- Music! Music! Music! -- London 30023 -- 1950
>
WINNER : BREWER

> 3 Eddie Fisher -- I'm Walking Behind You -- RCA 47-5293 -- 1953
>17 Ella Fitzgerald -- Mack The Knife -- Verve 10209 -- 1960
>
WINNER : FITZGERALD

>18 Gene Kelly -- Singin' In The Rain -- M-G-M 30557 -- 1952
> 3 Sue Thompson -- Sad Movies (Make Me Cry) -- Hickory 1153 -- 1961
>
WINNER : KELLY

> 2 Jo Stafford -- Keep It A Secret -- Columbia 39891 -- 1952
>15 Louis Armstrong -- Blueberry Hill -- Decca 24752 -- 1949
>
WINNER : ARMSTRONG

> 5 The Fleetwoods -- Confidential -- Dolton 30 -- 1960
>16 Peggy Lee -- Fever -- Capitol 3998 -- 1958
>
WINNER : LEE

> 5 Don Cherry -- Band Of Gold -- Columbia 40597 -- 1955
>15 Brenda Lee -- All Alone Am I -- Decca 31424 -- 1962
>
WINNER : LEE

>12 The Mills Brothers -- Daddy's Little Girl -- Decca 24872 -- 1950
> 6 Timi Yuro -- Make The World Go Away -- Liberty 55587 -- 1963
>
WINNER : MILLS

>14 The McGuire Sisters -- Sincerely -- Coral 61323 -- 1954
> 5 Doris Day -- A Guy Is A Guy -- Columbia 39673 -- 1952
>
WINNER ; MCGUIRES

> 7 The Singing Nun -- Dominique -- Philips 40152 -- 1963
>10 The Four Knights -- Cry -- Capitol 1875 -- 1951
>
WINNER : KNIGHTS

> 8 Rosemary Clooney -- This Ole House -- Columbia 40266 -- 1954
>12 King Cole Trio -- Exactly Like You -- Capitol 70050 -- 1949
>
WINNER : COLE

> 5 Johnny Mathis -- What Will Mary Say -- Columbia 42666 -- 1963
>15 Perez Prado -- Patricia -- RCA 47-7245 -- 1958
>
WINNER : PRADO

> 6 James Darren -- Goodbye Cruel World -- Colpix 609 -- 1961
>15 Patti Page -- The Tennessee Waltz -- Mercury 5534 -- 1950
>
WINNER : PAGE

>17 Perry Como -- Round And Round -- RCA 47-6815 -- 1957
> 4 Eddy Howard -- Sin -- Mercury 5711 -- 1951
>
WINNER : COMO

> 6 Ella Mae Morse -- Forty Cups Of Coffee -- Capitol 2539 -- 1953
>16 Sonny James -- Young Love -- Capitol 3602 -- 1956
>
WINNER : JAMES

> 4 The Four Aces -- Tell Me Why -- Decca 27860 -- 1951
>14 Harry Belafonte -- Man Smart,Woman Smarter -- RCA 47-4892 -- 1952
>
WINNER : BELAFONTE

>12 Jim Lowe -- The Green Door -- Dot 15486 -- 1956
> 7 Kai Winding -- More -- Verve 10295 -- 1963
>
WINNER : LOWE

>13 Pat Boone -- Love Letters In The Sand -- Dot 15570 -- 1957
> 7 Martin Denny -- Quiet Village -- Liberty 55162 -- 1958
>
WINNER : BOONE

> 6 The Andrews Sisters -- I Wanna Be Loved -- Decca 27007 -- 1950
>12 Earl Grant -- The End -- Decca 30719 -- 1958
>
WINNER : GRANT

>11 Kay Starr -- Wheel Of Fortune -- Capitol 1964 -- 1952
> 7 Nelson Riddle -- Lisbon Antigua -- Capitol 3287 -- 1955
>
WINNER : STARR

> 7 The Crew Cuts -- Sh-Boom -- Mercury 70404 -- 1954
>13 Ella Fitzgerald -- My Happiness -- Decca 24446 -- 1948
>
WINNER : FITZGERALD

>17 Bobby Helms -- Jingle Bell Rock -- Decca 30513 -- 1957
> 5 Guy Mitchell -- The Roving Kind -- Columbia 39067 -- 1950
>
WINNER : HELMS

> 8 Al Hirt -- Java -- RCA 47-8280 -- 1963
>11 Frank Sinatra -- Witchcraft -- Capitol 3859 -- 1957
>
WINNER : SINATRA

> 3 Joe Dowell -- Wooden Heart -- Smash 1708 -- 1961
>17 Louis Armstrong -- Theme From The Three Penny Opera -- Columbia 40587 -- 1955
>
WINNER : ARMSTRONG

>11 The Hilltoppers -- Marianne -- Dot 15537 -- 1957
> 6 Vic Damone -- You're Breaking My Heart -- Mercury 5271 -- 1949
>
WINNER : HILLTOPPERS

>13 The Fleetwoods -- Mr. Blue -- Dolton 5 -- 1959
> 9 Billy Williams -- I'm Gonna Sit Right Down & Write Myself A Letter -- Coral 61830 -- 1957
>
WINNER : FLEETWOODS

>11 The Tijuana Brass -- The Lonely Bull -- A&M 703 -- 1962
>10 Patti Page -- Old Cape Cod -- Mercury 71101 -- 1957
>
WINNER : TIJUANA BRASS

> 2 Pat Boone -- Chains Of Love -- Dot 15490 -- 1956
>17 Brenda Lee -- Losing You -- Decca 31478 -- 1963
>
WINNER : LEE

> 3 Frank Sinatra -- You're Sensational -- Capitol 3469 -- 1956
>17 Louis Prima & Keely Smith -- That Old Black Magic -- Capitol 4063 -- 1958
>
WINNER : PRIMA/SMITH

>12 Les Baxter -- The Poor People Of Paris -- Capitol 3336 -- 1956
> 7 Margaret Whiting & Jimmy Wakely -- Slipping Around -- Capitol 40224 -- 1949
>
WINNER : BAXTER

>19 Brook Benton -- It's Just A Matter Of Time -- Mercury 71394 -- 1958
> 3 Perry Como -- If -- RCA 47-3997 -- 1950
>
WINNER : BENTON

>20 Johnny Mathis -- Chances Are -- Columbia 40993 -- 1957
> 2 Joni James -- Your Cheatin' Heart -- M-G-M 11426 -- 1953
>
WINNER : MATHIS

>11 The Paris Sisters -- I Love How You Love Me -- Gregmark 6 -- 1961
> 9 Nat "King" Cole -- Fascination -- Capitol K 20 796 -- 1957
>
WINNER : PARIS

> 6 Tony Bennett -- Cold Cold Heart -- Columbia 39449 -- 1951
>12 Pat Boone -- I Almost Lost My Mind -- Dot 15472 -- 1956
>
WINNER : BOONE

>13 Timi Yuro -- What's A-Matter Baby -- Liberty 55469 -- 1962
> 8 Frank Sinatra -- The Second Time Around -- Reprise 20001 -- 1960
>
WINNER : YURO

>17 Guy Mitchell -- Singing The Blues -- Columbia 40769 -- 1956
> 4 Les Paul & Mary Ford -- I'm A Fool To Care -- Capitol 2839 -- 1954
>
WINNER : MITCHELL

> 8 Andy Williams -- Butterfly -- Cadence 1308 -- 1957
>12 Peggy Lee -- Manana (Is Soon Enough For Me) -- Capitol 15022 -- 1947
>
WINNER : LEE

> 8 The Four Aces -- Three Coins In The Fountain -- Decca 29123 -- 1954
>10 Gale Storm -- Dark Moon -- Dot 15558 -- 1957
>
WINNER : STORM

> 2 Frankie Laine -- The Cry Of The Wild Goose -- Mercury 5363 -- 1950
>15 Nat "King" Cole -- A Blossom Fell -- Capitol 3095 -- 1955
>
WINNER : COLE

> 5 Robin Ward -- Wonderful Summer -- Dot 16530 -- 1963
>17 Santo & Johnny -- Sleep Walk -- Canadian-American 103 -- 1959
>
WINNER : SANTO & JOHNNY

> 9 Frank Chacksfield -- Ebb Tide -- UK Decca 10122 -- 1953
>11 Perry Como -- Hot Diggitty -- RCA 47-6427 -- 1956
>
WINNER : COMO

> 3 Brook Benton -- My True Confession -- Mercury 72135 -- 1963
>17 Anton Karas -- The "Harry Lime" Theme -- UK Decca 9235 -- 1949
>
WINNER : KARAS

> 3 Patti Page -- I Went To Your Wedding -- Mercury 5899 -- 1952
>17 Harry Belafonte -- Matilda Matilda -- RCA 47-5311 -- 1953
>
WINNER : BELAFONTE

>12 The Platters -- Red Sails In The Sunset -- Mercury 71656 -- 1960
> 9 Bobby Darin -- Things -- Atco 6229 -- 1962
>
WINNER : PLATTERS

> 2 Los Indios Tabajaras -- Maria Elena -- RCA 47-8216 -- 1963
>18 Sarah Vaughan -- Broken Hearted Melody -- Mercury 71477 -- 1959
>
WINNER : VAUGHAN

> 6 Dinah Shore -- Buttons And Bows -- Columbia 38284 -- 1948
>14 Tommy Edwards -- Love Is All We Need -- M-G-M 12722 -- 1958
>
WINNER : EDWARDS

> 4 Allan Sherman -- Hello Mudduh Hello Fadduh -- Warner Bros 5378 -- 1963
>18 Frank Sinatra -- All The Way -- Capitol 3793 -- 1957
>
WINNER : SINATRA

>15 The Chordettes -- Lollipop -- Cadence 1345 -- 1958
> 6 Kyu Sakamoto -- Sukiyaki (Ue O Muite Aruko) -- Toshiba (Japan) -- 1961
>
WINNER : CHORDETTES

>14 Little Peggy March -- I Will Follow Him -- RCA 47-8139 -- 1963
> 5 Bob Moore -- Mexico -- Monument 446 -- 1961
>
WINNER : MARCH

> 7 Perry Como & The Fontane Sisters -- Hoop Dee Doo -- RCA 47-3747 -- 1950
>11 The Dream Weavers -- It's Almost Tomorrow -- Decca 29683 -- 1955
>
WINNER : DREAM WEAVERS

>11 Dean Martin -- Volare -- Capitol 4028 -- 1958
> 9 The Fleetwoods -- Tragedy -- Dolton 40 -- 1961
>
WINNER : MARTIN

>14 Jimmie Rodgers -- Oh Oh I'm Falling In Love Again -- Roulette 4045 -- 1958
> 8 Johnnie Ray -- The Little White Cloud That Cried -- Okeh 6840 -- 1951
>
WINNER : RODGERS

>20 Tennessee Ernie Ford -- Sixteen Tons -- Capitol 3262 -- 1955
> 2 The Gaylords -- Tell Me You're Mine -- Mercury 70067 -- 1952
>
WINNER: FORD

>10 Stan Getz & Charlie Byrd -- Desafinado -- Verve 10260 -- 1962
> 9 Brenda Lee -- Emotions -- Decca 31195 -- 1960
>
WINNER : GETZ/BYRD

> 0 Al Martino -- I Love You Because -- Capitol 4930 -- 1963
>20 Nat "King" Cole -- Mona Lisa -- Capitol 1010 -- 1950
>
WINNER : COLE

>12 Les Paul & Mary Ford -- The World Is Waiting For The Sunrise -- Capitol 1748 -- 1951
> 7 Louis Armstrong -- Takes Two To Tango -- Decca 28394 -- 1952
>
WINNER : PAUL/FORD

>17 Dinah Washington & Brook Benton -- A Rockin' Good Way -- Mercury 71565 -- 1960
> 5 Patti Page -- All My Love (Bolero) -- Mercury 5512 -- 1950
>
WINNER : WASHINGTON/BENTON

>14 Jo Stafford -- You Belong To Me -- Columbia 39811 -- 1952
> 5 The Mills Brothers -- The Jones Boy -- Decca 28945 -- 1953
>
WINNER : STAFFORD

>11 Nat "King" Cole & The Four Knights -- That's All There Is To That -- Capitol 3456 -- 1956
> 7 The Playmates -- Beep Beep -- Roulette 4115 -- 1958
>
WINNER : COLE/KNIGHTS

> 9 Leroy Anderson -- Blue Tango -- Decca 27875 -- 1951
>11 Patience & Prudence -- Gonna Get Along Without Ya Now -- Liberty 55040 -- 1956
>
WINNER : PAT & PRU

>14 Gogi Grant -- The Wayward Wind -- Era 1013 -- 1956
> 8 Floyd Cramer -- Last Date -- RCA 47-7775 -- 1960
>
WINNER : GRANT

>10 Gene McDaniels -- Chip Chip -- Liberty 55405 -- 1962
>12 Gordon Jenkins & The Weavers -- Goodnight Irene -- Decca 27077 -- 1950
>
WINNER : WEAVERS

> 4 Vera Lynn -- Auf Wiederseh'n Sweetheart -- UK Decca 9927 -- 1952
>18 The Platters -- Twilight Time -- Mercury 71289 -- 1958
>
WINNER : PLATTERS

> 7 Joni James -- Why Don't You Believe Me -- M-G-M 11333 -- 1952
>13 Les Paul & Mary Ford -- Tennessee Waltz -- Capitol 1316 -- 1950
>
WINNER : PAUL/FORD

>13 Brenda Lee -- Fool #1 -- Decca 31309 -- 1961
> 8 Andy Williams -- Can't Get Used To Losing You -- Columbia 42674 -- 1963
>
WINNER : LEE

>15 Nat "King" Cole -- Ramblin' Rose -- Capitol 4804 -- 1962
> 5 Sarah Vaughan -- Smooth Operator -- Mercury 71519 -- 1959
>
WINNER : COLE

> 6 Georgia Gibbs -- Kiss Of Fire -- Mercury 5823 -- 1952
> 9 Johnnie Ray -- Look Homeward Angel -- Columbia 40803 -- 1956
>
WINNER : RAY

>16 Johnny Mathis -- The Twelfth Of Never -- Columbia 40993 -- 1957
> 5 Brook Benton -- For My Baby -- Mercury 71774 -- 1961
>
WINNER : MATHIS

>14 Rosemary Clooney -- Come On-A My House -- Columbia 39467 -- 1951
> 6 Peggy Lee -- I'm A Woman -- Capitol 4888 -- 1962
>
WINNER : CLOONEY

>11 Frankie Avalon -- Venus -- Chancellor 1031 -- 1959
>10 The Four Lads -- Moments To Remember -- Columbia 40539 -- 1955
>
WINNER : AVALON

> 4 Connie Francis -- My Happiness -- M-G-M 12738 -- 1958
>16 Jerry Butler -- Moon River -- Vee Jay 405 -- 1961
>
WINNER : BUTLER

> 7 Louis Armstrong -- That Lucky Old Sun -- Decca 24752 -- 1949
>13 Frank Sinatra -- Young At Heart -- Capitol 2703 -- 1954
>
WINNER : SINATRA

>19 Nat "King" Cole -- Unforgettable -- Capitol 1689 -- 1951
> 1 Harry Belafonte -- Hold 'Em Joe -- RCA 47-5617 -- 1954
>
WINNER : COLE

> 3 Teresa Brewer -- Till I Waltz Again With You -- Coral 60873 -- 1952
>16 Dinah Washington -- What A Diff'rence A Day Makes -- Mercury 71435 -- 1959
>
WINNER : WASHINGTON

> 3 Steve Lawrence -- Footsteps -- ABC_Paramount 10085 -- 1960
>16 Frank Sinatra -- I've Got The World On A String -- Capitol 2505 -- 1953
>
WINNER : SINATRA

>14 Dean Martin -- Ain't That A Kick In The Head -- Capitol 4420 -- 1960
> 6 Doris Day -- Whatever Will Be,Will Be -- Columbia 40704 -- 1956
>
WINNER : MARTIN

>18 The Fleetwoods -- Come Softly To Me -- Dolphin 1 -- 1959
> 3 Sarah Vaughan -- How Important Can It Be -- Mercury 70534 -- 1955
>
WINNER : FLEETWOODS

> 7 Brook Benton -- Thank You Pretty Baby -- Mercury 71478 -- 1959
>12 Frank Sinatra -- I Get A Kick Out Of You -- Capitol H488 -- 1954
>
WINNER : SINATRA

> 7 Bobby Vinton -- There! I've Said It Again -- Epic 9638 -- 1963
>12 Eartha Kitt -- C'est Si Bon -- RCA 47-5358 -- 1953
>
WINNER : KITT

>10 Jo Stafford -- Shrimp Boats -- Columbia 39581 -- 1951
>10 Johnny Mathis -- Small World -- Columbia 41410 -- 1959
>
Draw #2........

Stafford (1951) 159

Mathis (1959) 226

WINNER : STAFFORD

>10 King Cole Trio -- Bang Bang Boogie -- Capitol 818 -- 1950
> 6 Patti Page -- The Doggie In The Window -- Mercury 70070 -- 1953
>
WINNER : COLE

> 9 Tony Bennett -- The Good Life -- Columbia 42779 -- 1963
> 9 Perry Como -- Some Enchanted Evening -- RCA 47-2896 -- 1949
>
Draw #3 .......

Bennett (1963) 332

Como (1949) 373

WINNER : BENNETT

>13 Percy Faith -- The Song From Moulin Rouge -- Columbia 39944 -- 1953
> 7 Pat Boone -- April Love -- Dot 15660 -- 1957
>
WINNER : FAITH

> 7 Harry Belafonte -- Mama Look A Boo Boo -- RCA 47-6830 -- 1957
>13 Johnny Mathis -- Wonderful! Wonderful -- Columbia 40784 -- 1956
>
WINNER : MATHIS

>14 Johnnie Ray -- Cry -- Okeh 6840 -- 1951
> 7 Brook Benton -- Hotel Happiness -- Mercury 72055 -- 1962
>
WINNER : RAY

> 5 Guy Mitchell -- Rock-A-Billy -- Columbia 40877 -- 1957
>13 Frank Sinatra -- Wee Small Hours Of The Morning -- Capitol LP 581 -- 1955
>
WINNER : SINATRA

> 9 The Platters -- I'll Never Smile Again -- Mercury 71847 -- 1961
>10 Bobby Darin -- Won't You Come Home Bill Bailey -- Atco 6167 -- 1960
>
WINNER : DARIN

> 2 Bobby Vinton -- Blue On Blue -- Epic 9593 -- 1963
>18 Louis Prima -- Just A Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody -- Capitol T755 -- 1956
>
WINNER : PRIMA

> 9 Nat "King" Cole -- Looking Back -- Capitol 3939 -- 1958
> 8 Brenda Lee -- As Usual -- Decca 31570 -- 1963
>
WINNER : COLE

>11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
> 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
>
WINNER : IVES

> 1 Dean Martin -- I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine -- Capitol 981 -- 1950
>19 The Mills Brothers -- The Glow Worm -- Decca 28384 -- 1952
>
WINNER : MILLS

> 8 The Caravelles -- You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry -- UK Decca 11697 -- 1963
>11 Brook Benton -- So Many Ways -- Mercury 71512 -- 1959
>
WINNER : BENTON

> 4 Jon & Sondra Steele -- My Happiness -- Damon 11133 -- 1948
>13 Les Paul & Mary Ford -- Bye Bye Blues -- Capitol 2316 -- 1952
>
WINNER : PAUL/FORD

> 8 Frank Sinatra -- Call Me Irresponsible -- Reprise 20151 -- 1963
>11 Perry Como -- Papa Loves Mambo -- RCA 47-5857 -- 1954
>
WINNER : COMO

> 7 Jo Stafford -- No Other Love -- Capitol 1053 -- 1950
> 9 Tony Bennett -- Because Of You -- Columbia 39362 -- 1951
>
WINNER : BENNETT

All designated winners move to Round Two

Round Two matchups will appear here and on site later this morning

Don't touch that dial!

ROGER FORD
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[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Apr 30, 1:31 am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:

> Here are the voting results in Round One - Part Two of the Pop Battle.
> 22 people vorred. There were THREE draws :-
>

> > 6 Tony Bennett -- Cold Cold Heart -- Columbia 39449 -- 1951
> >12 Pat Boone -- I Almost Lost My Mind -- Dot 15472 -- 1956
>
> WINNER : BOONE

Looks like 11 of the other 16 voters agreed with me on this one Pete.

> >11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
> > 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
>
> WINNER : IVES

Pete, Roger, Up your noses with two rubber hoses. Burl crushes
Bryant's horrendous record.

[Roger Ford]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:41:54 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:

>On Apr 30, 1:31=A0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>
>> Here are the voting results in Round One - Part Two of the Pop Battle.
>> 22 people vorred. There were THREE draws :-
>>

>> >11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
>> > 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
>>
>> WINNER : IVES
>
>Pete, Roger, Up your noses with two rubber hoses. Burl crushes
>Bryant's horrendous record.

Huh??

I was one of the 11 that voted for Ives

My comment was :-

>Ives with his best and most memorable hit

I hate "Paper Roses" and I hate Anita Bryant but for her singing style
not her political and other views that she is perfectly entitled to
hold

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Apr 30, 2:16 am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:41:54 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>

> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 30, 1:31=A0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>
> >> Here are the voting results in Round One - Part Two of the Pop Battle.
> >> 22 people vorred. There were THREE draws :-
>
> >> >11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
> >> > 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
>
> >> WINNER : IVES
>
> >Pete, Roger, Up your noses with two rubber hoses. Burl crushes
> >Bryant's horrendous record.
>
> Huh??
>
> I was one of the 11 that voted for Ives
>
> My comment was :-
>
> >Ives with his best and most memorable hit
>
> I hate "Paper Roses" and I hate Anita Bryant but for her singing style
> not her political and other views that she is perfectly entitled to
> hold

Sorry, I thought you disparaged the Ives record at some point.

[PStoller]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:41:54 PM UTC-7, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:

> > > 6 Tony Bennett -- Cold Cold Heart -- Columbia 39449 -- 1951
> > >12 Pat Boone -- I Almost Lost My Mind -- Dot 15472 -- 1956
> >
> > WINNER : BOONE
>
> Looks like 11 of the other 16 voters agreed with me on this one Pete.

Ah, well; as there were quite a few where as many voted with me over your choices, I can hardly worry about this one.

> > >11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
> > > 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
> >
> > WINNER : IVES
>
> Pete, Roger, Up your noses with two rubber hoses. Burl crushes
> Bryant's horrendous record.

Bryant's record was the lesser of two evils for me, and since I despise her for non-musical reasons, I have no problem seeing her "crushed." I wonder how the Ives will fare when it comes up against real competition?

[Sharx35]

"Roger Ford" <mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:517f571d...@news.virginmedia.com...

> Here are the voting results in Round One - Part Two of the Pop
> Battle.
> 22 people vorred. There were THREE draws :-
>
>> 2 Billy Vaughn -- Melody Of Love -- Dot 15247 -- 1954
>>16 Doris Day -- Secret Love -- Columbia 40108 -- 1953
>>
> WINNER : DAY
>
>>16 Frank Sinatra -- I've Got You Under My Skin -- Capitol W653 --
>>1956
>> 3 The Gaylords -- The Little Shoemaker -- Mercury 70403 -- 1954
>>
> WINNER : SINATRA
>
>> 8 Peggy Lee -- Lover -- Decca 28215 -- 1952
>> 9 Kitty Kallen -- Little Things Mean A Lot -- Decca 29037 --
>> 1954
>>
> WINNER : KALLEN

See, my vote DID mean a lot!

>
>>12 Sarah Vaughan -- Serenata -- Roulette 4285 -- 1960
>> 5 The Fleetwoods -- Goodnight My Love -- Dolton 75 -- 1963
>>
> WINNER : VAUGHAN

Huh? You guys are out of it on that vote.

>
>> 3 Pat Boone -- Ain't That A Shame -- Dot 15377 -- 1955
>>16 Dean Martin -- Return To Me -- Capitol 3894 -- 1958
>>
> WINNER : MARTIN
>
>> 6 Tommy Edwards -- It's All In The Game (1950 version) -- M-G-M
>> 11035 -- 1951
>>15 Nat "King" Cole -- Stardust -- Capitol W824 -- 1957
>>
> WINNER : COLE

The Edwards record is iconic. The NKC one, just so so.

Nope.

>
>>17 Marty Robbins -- A White Sport Coat -- Columbia 40869 -- 1957
>> 4 The Andrews Sisters -- I Can Dream Can't I -- Decca 24705 --
>> 1949
>>
> WINNER : ROBBINS
>
>> 8 Teresa Brewer -- Ricochet -- Coral 61043 -- 1953
>>11 Frank Sinatra -- Learnin' The Blues -- Capitol 3102 -- 1955
>>
> WINNER : SINATRA

The rest of the music world does NOT agree with that result.

>
>> 8 The Ames Brothers -- The Naughty Lady Of Shady Lane -- RCA
>> 47-5897 -- 1954
>>12 Toni Fisher -- The Big Hurt -- Signet 275 -- 1959
>>
> WINNER : FISHER
>
>>18 The String-A-Longs -- Wheels -- Warwick 603 -- 1960
>> 3 Steve & Eydie -- I Want To Stay Here -- Columbia 42815 -- 1963
>>
> WINNER : STRING-A-LONGS
>
>>14 Vaughn Monroe -- Riders In The Sky (A Cowboy Legend) -- RCA
>>47-2902 -- 1949
>> 5 Nat "King" Cole -- Lover Come Back To Me -- Capitol 2610 --
>> 1953
>>
> WINNER : MONROE
>
>>13 The Browns -- The Three Bells -- RCA 47-7555 -- 1959
>> 9 Jimmie Rodgers -- Secretly -- Roulette 4070 -- 1958
>>
> WINNER : BROWNS
>
>> 8 Kay Starr -- Rock And Roll Waltz -- RCA 47-6359 -- 1955
>>12 Kenny Ball & His Jazzmen -- Midnight In Moscow -- UK Pye Jazz
>>2049 -- 1961
>>
> WINNER : BALL
>
>> 8 Rosemary Clooney -- Half As Much -- Columbia 39710 -- 1952
>>11 The Four Preps -- More Money For You And Me -- Capitol 4599 --
>>1961

Overplayed.

>>
> WINNER : PREPS
>
>> 2 Les Baxter -- April In Portugal -- Capitol 2374 -- 1953
>>19 Bobby Darin -- Beyond The Sea -- Atco 6158 -- 1960
>>
> WINNER : DARIN
>
>>12 Frankie Laine -- Mule Train -- Mercury 5345 -- 1949
>> 7 Pat Boone -- A Wonderful Time Up There -- Dot 15690 -- 1958
>>
> WINNER : LAINE
>
>>10 Billy Eckstine -- I Apologize -- M-G-M 10903 -- 1951
>>10 Mitch Miller -- The Yellow Rose Of Texas -- Columbia 40540 --
>>1955
>>
> The first of those draws---and here's how it resolves using
> Rick's
> rankings in the yearly Singles Battles (see history page on the
> web
> site),
>
> Eckstine in 1951 ranked 81
>
> Miller in 1955 ranked 247
>
> On nthose figures...
>
> WINNER : ECKSTINE

The Eckstine one is obscure, compared to the Miller record.

Singing Nun was hundred times the hit that Cry was.

>
>> 8 Rosemary Clooney -- This Ole House -- Columbia 40266 -- 1954
>>12 King Cole Trio -- Exactly Like You -- Capitol 70050 -- 1949
>>
> WINNER : COLE

Ditto, the Clooney entry vastly outshone the KCT one.

>
>> 5 Johnny Mathis -- What Will Mary Say -- Columbia 42666 -- 1963
>>15 Perez Prado -- Patricia -- RCA 47-7245 -- 1958
>>
> WINNER : PRADO
>
>> 6 James Darren -- Goodbye Cruel World -- Colpix 609 -- 1961
>>15 Patti Page -- The Tennessee Waltz -- Mercury 5534 -- 1950
>>
> WINNER : PAGE
>
>>17 Perry Como -- Round And Round -- RCA 47-6815 -- 1957
>> 4 Eddy Howard -- Sin -- Mercury 5711 -- 1951
>>
> WINNER : COMO
>
>> 6 Ella Mae Morse -- Forty Cups Of Coffee -- Capitol 2539 -- 1953
>>16 Sonny James -- Young Love -- Capitol 3602 -- 1956
>>
> WINNER : JAMES

Finally, we got rid of the Morse obscurity.

>
>> 4 The Four Aces -- Tell Me Why -- Decca 27860 -- 1951
>>14 Harry Belafonte -- Man Smart,Woman Smarter -- RCA 47-4892 --
>>1952
>>
> WINNER : BELAFONTE

A great hit by the Four Aces shanghaied by one of Harry's weakest
records? Clean out your ear wax, people!

Another weak Cole entry unfairly triumphs.

Not impressed by EITHER of them.

>
>>14 Jo Stafford -- You Belong To Me -- Columbia 39811 -- 1952
>> 5 The Mills Brothers -- The Jones Boy -- Decca 28945 -- 1953
>>
> WINNER : STAFFORD
>
>>11 Nat "King" Cole & The Four Knights -- That's All There Is To
>>That -- Capitol 3456 -- 1956
>> 7 The Playmates -- Beep Beep -- Roulette 4115 -- 1958
>>
> WINNER : COLE/KNIGHTS

Yet another weak NKC entry...

Ah, my vote made the difference. G'bye Lads!

>
>> 4 Connie Francis -- My Happiness -- M-G-M 12738 -- 1958
>>16 Jerry Butler -- Moon River -- Vee Jay 405 -- 1961
>>
> WINNER : BUTLER
>
>> 7 Louis Armstrong -- That Lucky Old Sun -- Decca 24752 -- 1949
>>13 Frank Sinatra -- Young At Heart -- Capitol 2703 -- 1954
>>
> WINNER : SINATRA
>
>>19 Nat "King" Cole -- Unforgettable -- Capitol 1689 -- 1951
>> 1 Harry Belafonte -- Hold 'Em Joe -- RCA 47-5617 -- 1954
>>
> WINNER : COLE
>
>> 3 Teresa Brewer -- Till I Waltz Again With You -- Coral 60873 --
>> 1952
>>16 Dinah Washington -- What A Diff'rence A Day Makes -- Mercury
>>71435 -- 1959
>>
> WINNER : WASHINGTON
>
>> 3 Steve Lawrence -- Footsteps -- ABC_Paramount 10085 -- 1960
>>16 Frank Sinatra -- I've Got The World On A String -- Capitol
>>2505 -- 1953
>>
> WINNER : SINATRA
>
>>14 Dean Martin -- Ain't That A Kick In The Head -- Capitol
>>4420 -- 1960
>> 6 Doris Day -- Whatever Will Be,Will Be -- Columbia 40704 --
>> 1956
>>
> WINNER : MARTIN

A weak Dean Martin entry wins over the iconic Day entry? No way, at
least not in the REAL WORLD.

>
>>18 The Fleetwoods -- Come Softly To Me -- Dolphin 1 -- 1959
>> 3 Sarah Vaughan -- How Important Can It Be -- Mercury 70534 --
>> 1955
>>
> WINNER : FLEETWOODS
>
>> 7 Brook Benton -- Thank You Pretty Baby -- Mercury 71478 -- 1959
>>12 Frank Sinatra -- I Get A Kick Out Of You -- Capitol H488 --
>>1954
>>
> WINNER : SINATRA
>
>> 7 Bobby Vinton -- There! I've Said It Again -- Epic 9638 -- 1963
>>12 Eartha Kitt -- C'est Si Bon -- RCA 47-5358 -- 1953
>>
> WINNER : KITT
>
>>10 Jo Stafford -- Shrimp Boats -- Columbia 39581 -- 1951
>>10 Johnny Mathis -- Small World -- Columbia 41410 -- 1959
>>
> Draw #2........
>
> Stafford (1951) 159
>
> Mathis (1959) 226
>
> WINNER : STAFFORD

Again, my vote....

>
>>10 King Cole Trio -- Bang Bang Boogie -- Capitol 818 -- 1950
>> 6 Patti Page -- The Doggie In The Window -- Mercury 70070 --
>> 1953

Huh, never heard of the KCT entry--obscure, then, by definition.

An obscurity wins.

>
>> 9 Nat "King" Cole -- Looking Back -- Capitol 3939 -- 1958
>> 8 Brenda Lee -- As Usual -- Decca 31570 -- 1963
>>
> WINNER : COLE

Brenda's entry SHOULD have one, however there is a contingent here
who AUTOMATICALLY vote for ANYTHING by NKC.

>
>>11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
>> 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
>>
> WINNER : IVES
>
>> 1 Dean Martin -- I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine -- Capitol
>> 981 -- 1950
>>19 The Mills Brothers -- The Glow Worm -- Decca 28384 -- 1952
>>
> WINNER : MILLS
>
>> 8 The Caravelles -- You Don't Have To Be A Baby To Cry -- UK
>> Decca 11697 -- 1963
>>11 Brook Benton -- So Many Ways -- Mercury 71512 -- 1959
>>
> WINNER : BENTON

A very weak entry by Brook, in this coupling.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ec4e72a9-748c-4d6c...@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

There's nothing horrendous about the record--you LIEbrawls just
can't stand a celebrity "telling it like it is".


>
>
>
>

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1f8c688f-fb6d-4fce...@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

The Ives entry is a great record, however you LIEbrawls disparaging
of Ms. Bryant is disgusting. Your ilk only supports Freedom of
Expression/Speech WHEN THE SPEAKER AGREES with YOUR distorted
opinions.

[Roger Ford]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:31:30 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:

>On Apr 30, 2:16=A0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:41:54 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>>
>> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:

>> >On Apr 30, 1:31=3DA0am, maria...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger Ford) wrote:
>>
>> >> Here are the voting results in Round One - Part Two of the Pop Battle.
>> >> 22 people vorred. There were THREE draws :-
>>
>> >> >11 Burl Ives -- A Little Bitty Tear -- Decca 31330 -- 1961
>> >> > 6 Anita Bryant -- Paper Roses -- Carlton 528 -- 1960
>>
>> >> WINNER : IVES
>>
>> >Pete, Roger, Up your noses with two rubber hoses. Burl crushes
>> >Bryant's horrendous record.
>>
>> Huh??
>>
>> I was one of the 11 that voted for Ives
>>
>> My comment was :-
>>
>> >Ives with his best and most memorable hit
>>
>> I hate "Paper Roses" and I hate Anita Bryant but for her singing style
>> not her political and other views that she is perfectly entitled to
>> hold
>
>Sorry, I thought you disparaged the Ives record at some point.
>

I might have done in some comparison with Wanda Jackson's verrsion
that I like better.

[DianeE]

Seven people voted for "Dominique" by The Singing Nun! I thought that was
the worst record of its time.

DianeE

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

I like it, and it's also one of the few records from those days that I
actually remember from when it was current.

[Marc Dashevsky]

In article <klo01c$1n0$1...@dont-email.me>, sha...@hotmail.com says...

Do you even understand what you spew? I'll speak slowly for your
benefit: It is permissible to disparage someone on the basis of
their stated positions and behavior.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 10:23 am, Marc Dashevsky <use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
> In article <klo01c$1n...@dont-email.me>, shar...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in message

> their stated positions and behavior.- Hide quoted text -

No, it isn't.

It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs. Defamation of
character and libel are against the law.

In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom and freedom of
speech.

Anita Bryant bravely sacrificed her public image and her career to
stand up for her religious beliefs.

You don't have to agree with or support her stance, but to hurl
insults and accusations at her flies in the face of everything our
country stands for.

And, for the record, the Torah/Bible clearly states God's position on
homosexuality:

LEVITICUS 18:22: You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it
is abomination.

LEVITICUS 20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a
woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely
be put to death; their blood shall be on them.

I find it both ironic and hypocritical that so many people who claim
to be practicing Christians will brazenly condemn a woman for
supporting the "word of God."

If you have a problem with The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality,
you have the right to adopt a different faith (or abandon faith
altogether).

But as long as you're a citizen of The United States, you do not have
the right to hurl insults and slurs at anyone for professing the
tenets of his/her faith.

[Mark Dintenfass]

In article
<5ed70be9-7ed7-49d1...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

Michael Pendragon <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

> But as long as you're a citizen of The United States, you do not have
> the right to hurl insults and slurs at anyone for professing the
> tenets of his/her faith.

Including Islam?

Fucking hypocrite.

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[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 11:38 am, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> In article
> <5ed70be9-7ed7-49d1-9297-1aeb891de...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

>
> Michael Pendragon <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > But as long as you're a citizen of The United States, you do not have
> > the right to hurl insults and slurs at anyone for professing the
> > tenets of his/her faith.
>
> Including Islam?
>
> Fucking hypocrite.

Including Islam.

*However* -- an Islamist does *not* have the right to kill people just
because his religion approves.

There are *laws* in America -- and the law takes precedence over faith.

[Bob Roman]

On Apr 30, 11:38 am, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:

> Michael Pendragon <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > But as long as you're a citizen of The United States, you do not have
> > the right to hurl insults and slurs at anyone for professing the
> > tenets of his/her faith.

I don't think you have a good grasp on the concept of rights.

> Including Islam?
>
> Fucking hypocrite.

Mike justifies his hypocrisy by literally dehumanizing Muslims.

--
BR

[Bob Roman]

On Apr 30, 11:01 am, Michael Pendragon

<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs.  Defamation of
> character and libel are against the law.
>
> In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom and freedom of
> speech.

Freedom of speech is the reason people are allowed to disparage her
beliefs. There was a time when you went into Christian discussion
groups to throw insults around. No one arrested you.

--
BR

[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 1:26 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:38 am, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Michael Pendragon <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > But as long as you're a citizen of The United States, you do not have
> > > the right to hurl insults and slurs at anyone for professing the
> > > tenets of his/her faith.
>
> I don't think you have a good grasp on the concept of rights.

Look up "defamation" and "libel."

> > Including Islam?
>
> > Fucking hypocrite.
>
> Mike justifies his hypocrisy by literally dehumanizing Muslims.

Only those who support terrorism. Anyone who would intentionally maim
or kill another human being -- especially a child -- can only be
described as a "monster."

[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 1:41 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:01 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs.  Defamation of
> > character and libel are against the law.
>
> > In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom and freedom of
> > speech.
>
> Freedom of speech is the reason people are allowed to disparage her
> beliefs.

I've already said that one can disparage her *beliefs.*

What you don't have the right to do is to attack her as a human being
*because* you disagree with her beliefs.

> There was a time when you went into Christian discussion
> groups to throw insults around. No one arrested you.

I don't recall my "throwing insults around." But I certainly have the
right to insult someone in a verbal fight.

Per Wikipedia:

Mere vulgar abuse is an insult that is not necessarily defamatory
because it is not intended to be taken literally or believed, or
likely to cause real damage to a reputation. Vituperative statements
made in anger, such as calling someone "an asshole" during a drunken
argument, would likely be considered mere vulgar abuse and not
defamatory.

[Frank]

What the bible thumpers, evangelicals and moralists always ignore is what else the bible says. Doesn't it consider adultery, masturbation, oral sex etc....also sins?
But how can they bring that up when about (just guessing) 40% of married people are adulterers, 80% had premarital sex, 80% masturbate and so on.
The reason those @hole TV evangelists don't mention it is because a huge majority of their viewers would be "sinners", so they can't get many contributions preaching that. Same goes for the Sunday sermons in 10s of thousands of churches each week. The pews would be almost empty if all those (according to the bible) "sinners' stayed home? By definition, they are not true Christians.

But maybe 3-8% are homosexual.
Gays/lesbians were an easy target since until the past 2 decades or so, they had no voice.

So Ms. Bryant spoke out against homosexuals and was entitled to do so....as were/are those who were outraged by her comments and responded in kind by not buying her records in large quantities any more.
Has Ms. Bryant spoken out against the other "sins" as vocally? Nope!
Have Robertson, Falwell and their ilk ever had a fund raiser fighting this plague of "sexual deviance" their flock practices routinely? Nope!
By far their biggest successes in raising funds have been and still are, attacks against homosexuality.
SPEAKING OF HYPOCRITES.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 3:21 pm, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:41:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 11:01 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs.  Defamation of
>
> > > character and libel are against the law.
>
> > > In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom and freedom of
>
> > > speech.
>
> > Freedom of speech is the reason people are allowed to disparage her
>
> > beliefs.  There was a time when you went into Christian discussion
>
> > groups to throw insults around.  No one arrested you.
>
> > --
>
> > BR
>
> What the bible thumpers, evangelicals and moralists always ignore is what else the bible says. Doesn't it consider adultery, masturbation, oral sex etc....also  sins?

It certainly does.

> But how can they bring that up when about (just guessing) 40% of married people are adulterers, 80% had premarital sex, 80% masturbate and so on.

Hypocritical to the max.

> The reason those @hole TV evangelists don't mention it is because a huge majority of their viewers would be "sinners", so they can't get many contributions preaching that. Same goes for the Sunday sermons in 10s of thousands of churches each week. The pews would be almost empty if all those (according to the bible) "sinners' stayed home? By definition, they are not true Christians.

I don't watch tv evangelists, but I have been to church's/groups which
*do* speak out against those things. Many churches operate on the
notion that everyone is a sinner, but that God will forgive you if you
repent of your sins.

>  But maybe 3-8% are homosexual.
> Gays/lesbians were an easy target since until the past 2 decades or so, they had no voice.

I'd say this was more applicable to politics than the church.

The Bible directly quotes God as saying homosexuality is "an
abomination." Those are (Al)mighty strong words.
The major rift btw homosexuals and the church is that the former
refuse to see their sexual orientation as "sinful," and often demand
that the church follow suit.

> So Ms. Bryant spoke out against homosexuals and was entitled to do so....as were/are those who were outraged by her comments and responded in kind by not buying her records in large quantities any more.
> Has Ms. Bryant spoken out against the other "sins" as vocally? Nope!

Ms. Bryant has stated that she basically has a live-and-let-live
attitude. Because of her faith and her celebrity she was asked to
support a law banning homosexuals from teaching children.

This is a sticky area in that an openly homosexual teacher could be
seen to be presenting a "negative" role model for impressionable
children.

To allow an openly gay teacher to educate your children can be seen as
implicitly supporting homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle.

As Ms. Bryant's religion holds that homosexuality is immoral (a sin),
it would have been an act of moral cowardice for her to not have taken
a stand against it.

> Have Robertson, Falwell and their ilk ever had a fund raiser fighting this plague of "sexual deviance" their flock practices routinely? Nope!

As I said, I haven't followed their careers.

I believe that many Christian churches do campaign against premarital
sex (purity rings) and such.

> By far their biggest successes in raising funds have been and still are, attacks against homosexuality.

>  SPEAKING OF HYPOCRITES.-

That may well be. I certainly wouldn't donate money to combat any of
my vices.

[Marc Dashevsky]

In article <40f12d5f-d287-4c3e...@googlegroups.com>, espo...@comcast.net says...

>
> What the bible thumpers, evangelicals and moralists always ignore is what else the bible says. Doesn't it consider adultery, masturbation, oral sex etc....also sins?
> But how can they bring that up when about (just guessing) 40% of married people are adulterers, 80% had premarital sex, 80% masturbate and so on.
> The reason those @hole TV evangelists don't mention it is because a huge majority of their viewers would be "sinners", so they can't get many contributions preaching that. Same goes for the Sunday sermons in 10s of thousands of churches each week. The pews would be almost empty if all those (according to the bible) "sinners' stayed home? By definition, they are not true Christians.
>
> But maybe 3-8% are homosexual.
> Gays/lesbians were an easy target since until the past 2 decades or so, they had no voice.
>
> So Ms. Bryant spoke out against homosexuals and was entitled to do so....as were/are those who were outraged by her comments and responded in kind by not buying her records in large quantities any more.
> Has Ms. Bryant spoken out against the other "sins" as vocally? Nope!
> Have Robertson, Falwell and their ilk ever had a fund raiser fighting this plague of "sexual deviance" their flock practices routinely? Nope!
> By far their biggest successes in raising funds have been and still are, attacks against homosexuality.
> SPEAKING OF HYPOCRITES.

The bible also requires keeping kosher and the death penalty for those who work on the sabbath.
Fabric blends are verboten, as are tattos and using a razor. Circumcision is required.

There is a lot of selectivity among those who use the bible as authority.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

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So do I. It has a catchy rhythm.

[Sharx35]

"Marc Dashevsky" <use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2be98ff18...@news.supernews.com...

What a bloody hypocrite you and the other LIEbrawls are. Whenever
NON-LIEbrawls "disparage" someone on those grounds, you moan and
kvetch about how evil they are. And there is no reason to speak
slowly, my IQ is way, way higher than yours, home boy.

[Sharx35]

"Mark Dintenfass" <mdint...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote in message
news:300420131038523506%mdint...@xxnew.rr.com...

> In article
> <5ed70be9-7ed7-49d1...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael Pendragon <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But as long as you're a citizen of The United States, you do not
>> have
>> the right to hurl insults and slurs at anyone for professing the
>> tenets of his/her faith.
>
> Including Islam?
>
> Fucking hypocrite.

No, it is YOU who is the ... hypocrite. Go back and finish Grade 6,
then come back here and spew your ignorant tripe.

[Sharx35]

"Bob Roman" <robert...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:91777424-e6a4-48e7...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

You and the other low IQ LIEbrawls attempt to dehumanize those who
don't share YOUR LIEbrawlism OR your questionable taste in music.
Remember, baby boy, YOU hand it out, I'll dish it RIGHT BACK AT
YOU. Suck it up, baby.

[Sharx35]

"Bob Roman" <robert...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Well, WE are using OUR Freedom of speech to "disparage" ignorant
LIEbrawls such as yourself. SUCK IT UP.

[Sharx35]

"Frank" <espo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:40f12d5f-d287-4c3e...@googlegroups.com...

Frank, uttering his politically correct garbage, believes that
members of almost any minority group CAN DO NO WRONG. Earth to
Frank--YOUR heroes, such as Obama, Klinton, and the vacuous,
brain-dead types on leftie cable, leave us, rational types,
hurling.

[Sharx35]

"Marc Dashevsky" <use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote in message

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No more so than how the amoral LIEbrawl types purport to live.

[Frank]

Mike, since you are unfamiliar with TV evangelists, here's a short video of the two most famous these past 30 years or so. They have millions of followers and raised who knows how many tens of millions of dollars.

Notice particularly how Falwell forgets to love thy neighbor when it comes to the evangelical right wing agenda of fear an blame.

Shameful.
http://youtu.be/H-CAcdta_8I


P.S. to David..you're way off base when it comes to my politics since I've posted here several tmes I despise ALL politicians.

[Sharx35]

"Frank" <espo...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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Well, Frank, I would categorize despising ALL politicians in the
same category as ADMIRING all politicians. Like ANY other group, no
matter how sacrosanct the minority, there are GOOD members and
there are BAD members. Yes, there are even some, horrors, bad black
musicians. I believe that there ARE some good politicians...if one
looks hard enough. But to tar them all with the same brush, that is
JUST as narrow-minded as saying that POP music is crap,
conservatives are selfish, etc etc.

[BobbyM]

On 01-May-13 9:51 AM, Sharx35 wrote:
everal tmes I despise ALL politicians.
>
> Well, Frank, I would categorize despising ALL politicians in the same
> category as ADMIRING all politicians. Like ANY other group, no matter
> how sacrosanct the minority, there are GOOD members and there are BAD
> members. Yes, there are even some, horrors, bad black musicians. I
> believe that there ARE some good politicians...if one looks hard enough.
> But to tar them all with the same brush, that is JUST as narrow-minded
> as saying that POP music is crap, conservatives are selfish, etc etc.

Mr. Bull, I know you won't be able to see them even now, but a couple of
your above remarks are veering toward racism. Apparently you believe
there are both good & bad racists. Which are you?

Signed,
"amoral LIEbrawl"

[Eric Ramon]

On Apr 30, 3:55 pm, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, WE are using OUR Freedom of speech to "disparage" ignorant
> LIEbrawls such as yourself. SUCK IT UP.

making many posts with the immature word "liebrawls" doesn't actually
make you look smart. I thought you'd want to know.

[Frank]

On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:43:51 PM UTC-4, BobbyM wrote:
> On 01-May-13 9:51 AM, Sharx35 wrote:
>
> everal tmes I despise ALL politicians.
>
> >
>
> > Well, Frank, I would categorize despising ALL politicians in the same
>
> > category as ADMIRING all politicians. Like ANY other group, no matter
>
> > how sacrosanct the minority, there are GOOD members and there are BAD
>
> > members. Yes, there are even some, horrors, bad black musicians. I
>
> > believe that there ARE some good politicians...if one looks hard enough.
>
> > But to tar them all with the same brush, that is JUST as narrow-minded
>
> > as saying that POP music is crap, conservatives are selfish, etc etc.

Fair enough Bobby. Let me amend that to 9O%. Just recently the Dems wanted to exempt themselves and staff from Obamacare. Oh, the hubris. Luckily their trial balloon was made of lead. In this same approximate time frame the Reps obviously think the average American gun collector has a need for AK47s and 100 round magazines.
Was either party doing what was best for our country? not IMO. Dems were selfish and going the omnipotence route and the Reps were doing what their best friends and super huge contributors, namely the NRA, wanted them to do.
I doubt if there is more than a tiny handful of elected officials who leave D.C. poorer than when they arrived. Then they go to work for a PAC or other special interest group to the tune of maybe a mill or two per year...and I'm talking about politicians of both parties of course.

[BobbyM]

Frank, just for the record, you're replying to a post that Bull made,
not me. It just happens to be the same post to which I replied
concerning some of Bull's tasteless remarks.

[Frank]

> Frank, just for the record, you're replying to a post that Bull made,
>
> not me. It just happens to be the same post to which I replied
>
> concerning some of Bull's tasteless remarks.

Sorry about that Bobby. I viewed it again and of course you're right. I guess I saw your name first..then sharx at the end of the same line and simply screwed up.

Dave usualy doesn't mention me by name and you do, sooooo....
But recently I've addressed him by name instead of sharx which I pefer to do anyway.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 5:08 pm, Marc Dashevsky <use...@MarcDashevsky.com> wrote:
> In article <40f12d5f-d287-4c3e...@googlegroups.com>, espon...@comcast.net says...

Not among all faiths and sects. Orthodox Jews, for instance, follow
it to the letter.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Apr 30, 8:39 pm, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mike, since you are unfamiliar with TV evangelists, here's a short video of the two most famous these past 30 years or so. They have millions of followers and raised who knows how many tens of millions of dollars.
>
> Notice particularly how Falwell forgets to love thy neighbor when it comes to the evangelical right wing agenda of fear an blame.
>
> Shameful.http://youtu.be/H-CAcdta_8I

I'm not supporting televangelists, Frank.

I'm supporting a woman who sacrificed her career, image, happiness,
etc. ... to stand up for a cause she believed in.

[Michael Pendragon]

I think you've misinterpreted Sharx's statement, Bobby. He isn't
saying that he believes in racial stereotypes (all blacks are
musically talented) -- he's implying that Frank believes in them.

[BobbyM]

Thanks for the information. That's equivalent to saying not all Bible
readers handle snakes or speak in tongues.

[Bob Roman]

On Apr 30, 2:30 pm, Michael Pendragon

<michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 1:41 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:01 am, Michael Pendragon
>
> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs.  Defamation of
> > > character and libel are against the law.
>
> > > In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom and freedom of
> > > speech.
>
> > Freedom of speech is the reason people are allowed to disparage her
> > beliefs.
>
> I've already said that one can disparage her *beliefs.*
>
> What you don't have the right to do is to attack her as a human being
> *because* you disagree with her beliefs.

Your beliefs have made you a TERRIBLE human being.

Try to sue me for libel.

--
BR

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Apr 30, 11:01 pm, Michael Pendragon

Yeah, there was some Miss America or something who made the same
mistake.

[BobbyM]

BTW, I don't recall a lot of Orthodox Jews coming to Bryant's defense
when that orange juice company canned her. Maybe you can find some
evidence of it on wiki.

[BobbyM]

I haven't misinterpreted his statement. However, you, like Bull, can't
see anything wrong with what he's written because it's so deeply engrained.

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klprpu$f0t$1...@dont-email.me...

About the only "good" racist would be one who is undergoing
intensive psychotherapy in an attempt to change his/her warped
beliefs. However, you, sir, are a sophist of the lowest order,
twisting my words in an attempt to crawl out from under YOUR
intellectual rock.




>

[Michael Pendragon]

TERRIBLE's too vague a term.

If you had seriously compared me to Adolf Hitler in a public forum and
I believed that it damaged my public image and/or career, I probably
could. (For instance, if my book sales suddenly took a nose-dive
shortly after your accusatory statement had been posted.)

[Sharx35]

"Eric Ramon" <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ced43a25-2c6d-42e4...@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

YOUR responding to MY posts about "LIEbrawls" doesn't make any less
ignorant on ANY number of issues.

[Michael Pendragon]

You're joking, right?

[Sharx35]

"Frank" <espo...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:06c94044-8a13-49c5...@googlegroups.com...

Frank, maybe I was too quick to jump on you?

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klpu80$op6$1...@dont-email.me...

Frank, you are receiving yet MORE of Booby's prevarications. It was
him, and his ilk, who constantly attack conservatives and prop up
the DEMONrats with THEIR support at the polling booth.

>

[Michael Pendragon]

Orthodox Jews aren't exactly big on Christians.

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klq0lp$3gr$1...@dont-email.me...

Numerous liberals have been convicted of child molestation, living
off the avails of prostitution, etc. It's a fact.


>
>

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klq0u7$4gg$1...@dont-email.me...

What about ALL those liberals who constantly were all FOR Freedom
of Expression/Speech? Didn't see THEM supporting
Ms. Bryant's right to express HER opinions. What about THAT, Mr.
Hypocrite?


>
>
>
>

[Michael Pendragon]

Perhaps. But since I'm unable to see it, could you please explain how
"a couple of (Sharx's) above remarks are veering toward racism"?

[Sharx35]

"Michael Pendragon" <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote in
message
news:5fd9e0c1-76ea-4aa2...@y12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

No, he is not. The ignoramuses on the left NEVER joke when THEIR ox
is being GORED. Al Gore is one of the idiots.

[Bob Roman]

On Apr 30, 11:28 pm, Michael Pendragon

Your beliefs make you exactly like Hitler. Anyone who reads your
books is basically a Nazi.

Try to sue me for libel.

--
BR

[BobbyM]

No, I won't.

[Michael Pendragon]

First let's see if my book sales rise or fall.

(From my vantage point, they can only go up.)

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Apr 30, 11:28 pm, Michael Pendragon

LOL......It's impossible for your book sales to go down. There's no
number below zero.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Apr 30, 11:29 pm, Michael Pendragon

No, I'm serious. A few years ago some Miss America or something came
out against homosexuality and lost a bunch of benefits of her crown. I
think they replaced her with the runner up. Maybe it was just a Miss
California?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Anybody can sue anybody. Doesn't mean the law suit will go anywhere.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Apr 30, 11:45 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:29 pm, Michael Pendragon
>
>
>
>
>
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 11:08 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 30, 11:01 pm, Michael Pendragon

>
> > > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 30, 8:39 pm, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Mike, since you are unfamiliar with TV evangelists, here's a short video of the two most famous these past 30 years or so. They have millions of followers and raised who knows how many tens of millions of dollars.
>
> > > > > Notice particularly how Falwell forgets to love thy neighbor when it comes to the evangelical right wing agenda of fear an blame.
>
> > > > > Shameful.http://youtu.be/H-CAcdta_8I
>
> > > > I'm not supporting televangelists, Frank.
>
> > > > I'm supporting a woman who sacrificed her career, image, happiness,
> > > > etc. ... to stand up for a cause she believed in.
>
> > > Yeah, there was some Miss America or something who made the same
> > > mistake.
>
> > You're joking, right?
>
> No, I'm serious. A few years ago some Miss America or something came
> out against homosexuality and lost a bunch of benefits of her crown. I
> think they replaced her with the runner up. Maybe it was just a Miss
> California?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GD75J_Ph8Y

Caroline Michelle "Carrie" Prejean Boller (pron.: /preɪˈʒɑːn/; born
May 13, 1987)[1] is an American model, author, former Miss California
USA 2009 and Miss USA 2009 first runner-up. Prejean received national
attention in 2009 when she told a pageant judge that marriage should
be between a man and a woman; pageant judge and gossip blogger Perez
Hilton used his final question in the Miss USA pageant to ask Prejean
about same-sex marriage laws in the United States, and used his
popular gossip blog to publicize her response. Hilton, who is gay,
thought that her views were prejudiced.[2] Later, Prejean was stripped
of her Miss California USA crown for alleged breaches of contract.[3]
Contentious litigation between Prejean and the Miss California
organization was settled in November 2009.[4] Later that month,
Prejean released a book relating the story from her point of view.

[Frank]

Frank, maybe I was too quick to jump on you?

Maybe in some areas David, but I am liberal on most social issues.
We WOULD be in accord if you critized the far righties as you do the far lefties.

They have nothing to preen about either.
Did you watch he Robertson/Falwell video I put up for Mike? Nuff said.
I'm quite confident and hopeful you too found it a complete abomination too

[Bob Roman]

On Apr 30, 11:38 pm, Michael Pendragon

Plus, under US law no true statement be considered libel.

--
BR

[Frank]

I once again used the Bruno method and listened to "I Got Loaded", "Baby Don't Do It" and "the Things That I used to Do"
I liked "Baby Don't Do It" the least so adios. TTTIUTD was good. IGL...ehh.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 1, 12:12 am, Frank <espon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I once again used the Bruno method and listened to "I Got Loaded", "Baby Don't Do It" and "the Things That I used to Do"
> I liked "Baby Don't Do It" the least so adios. TTTIUTD was good. IGL...ehh.

Wrong thread.

[Michael Pendragon]

Like I said, there's no place to go but up. :-)

[Michael Pendragon]

Okay, I thought you were referring to Anita Bryant (a Miss America 2nd
runner up).

[Michael Pendragon]

No, the link didn't work. But I find a lot of Christian prejudices
abominable.

[Michael Pendragon]

You'd have a hard time proving a man who converted to Judaism murdered
6 million Jews.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 1, 12:53 am, Michael Pendragon

I'm working a Yeshiva game this Sunday. Should I use my Hebrew name
and tell the two coaches that I am Dove Bear Grossberg?

[BobbyM]

The burden of proof lies with the person suing. You'd have a hard time
proving among other things that: (1) Bob said that, (2) Bob knew it was
false.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On May 1, 1:02 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The burden of proof lies with the person suing. You'd have a hard time
> proving among other things that: (1) Bob said that, (2) Bob knew it was
> false.

He only has to prove that it was false. Whether Bob knew that or not
would not matter. Bob can't just say whatever he thinks is true unless
it actually is true.

[BobbyM]

Bob can pretty much say what he wants as long as it's his opinion.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Suppose it's his opinion that Mike was involved with planning the
Boston bombings with those two brothers, can he say that?

[BobbyM]

On 01-May-13 2:07 PM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:

Inadvertent libel is limited to actual harm, and it's doubtful that
Scarlotti would suffer any.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

That's another story, but Scarlotti can certainly sue him. He may only
win a nickel if he wins.

[BobbyM]

Sure, there's a prof in FL that says it didn't happen at all; it was all
a stage play with actors hired by the federal gov't. And he had a
similar story from the CT school killings & the university isn't doing a
thing about it, let alone the fed gov't. Now if Bob cracks & says he
made it up to fuck with Mike, etc or Mike can show enough evidence that
Bob was out to get him, he's got some problems.

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klq12e$4gg$2...@dont-email.me...

I don't know, offhand, whether you were BORN stupid or, at some
point, suffered a grievous brain injury.
Which was it?


>
>

[BobbyM]

As you said before, anybody can sue anybody. Scarlotti isn't going to
find an attorney that will take any case for him on contingency.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

The Prof in Florida is not libeling anybody by saying it never
happened.

[Sharx35]

"Bob Roman" <robert...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cf2a4571-0b7a-4d09...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 30, 11:28 pm, Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 11:08 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 30, 2:30 pm, Michael Pendragon
>>
>> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Apr 30, 1:41 pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Apr 30, 11:01 am, Michael Pendragon
>>
>> > > > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs.
>> > > > > Defamation of
>> > > > > character and libel are against the law.
>>
>> > > > > In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom
>> > > > > and freedom of
>> > > > > speech.
>>
>> > > > Freedom of speech is the reason people are allowed to
>> > > > disparage her
>> > > > beliefs.
>>
>> > > I've already said that one can disparage her *beliefs.*
>>
>> > > What you don't have the right to do is to attack her as a
>> > > human being
>> > > *because* you disagree with her beliefs.
>>
>> > Your beliefs have made you a TERRIBLE human being.
>>
>> > Try to sue me for libel.

I could, resulting in your bankruptcy from your own legal bills.

>>
>> TERRIBLE's too vague a term.
>>
>> If you had seriously compared me to Adolf Hitler in a public
>> forum and
>> I believed that it damaged my public image and/or career, I
>> probably
>> could. (For instance, if my book sales suddenly took a
>> nose-dive
>> shortly after your accusatory statement had been posted.)
>
> Your beliefs make you exactly like Hitler. Anyone who reads your
> books is basically a Nazi.
>
> Try to sue me for libel.
>

> --
> BR

[BobbyM]

Have you always been a racist?

BTW, you're having another of your Alzheimer's moments. You're
confusing me with Scarlotti; he had a brain injury.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

He can represent himself, I'm sure his ego would have him believing he
could do a better job than any attorney.

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klq7e9$s1h$1...@dont-email.me...

Especially when "Bob" has shown that he wouldn't recognize TRUTH if
it hit him upside the head.

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klq94b$2au$1...@dont-email.me...

Indeed, Bob can. But, in this newsgroup, let any non-lib try that
and the non-lib gets a can of whuparse dumped on him.


>
>

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4e3fdbc2-2cf1-40c4...@o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

Bruce, YOU are accusing someone ELSE of having an oversized ego? It
is to laugh. No, it is to cry!



>
>
>

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:0f4b9ed3-a609-4c05...@n4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> LOL......It's impossible for your book sales to go down. There's
> no
> number below zero.

That was an unkind cut, Bruce.


>
>
>
>

[BobbyM]

On 01-May-13 2:57 PM, Sharx35 wrote:

> Indeed, Bob can. But, in this newsgroup, let any non-lib try that and
> the non-lib gets a can of whuparse dumped on him.

Imaginary whuparse, aka hot air.

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klq2gm$9u0$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 01-May-13 12:34 PM, Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> Perhaps. But since I'm unable to see it, could you please
>> explain how
>> "a couple of (Sharx's) above remarks are veering toward racism"?
>
> No, I won't.
>

He won't because he can't. It's amazing he can even feed or dress
himself. I have friends of various races and ethnicities.

"veering towards racism" liberal definition: anything a non-liberal
does or says that doesn't agree with liberal "non think"

[Sharx35]

"Frank" <espo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:136e1b1f-b22b-44c7...@googlegroups.com...

> Frank, maybe I was too quick to jump on you?
>
>
> Maybe in some areas David, but I am liberal on most social
> issues.
> We WOULD be in accord if you critized the far righties as you do
> the far lefties.

Just as many whackjobs amongst the far righties. I don't have to
subject myself to their hours of tele b.s. to be reminded of that.
Trying to tell a rape victim that she should carry the child to
birth is cruelty/stupidity...take your pick.

[Sharx35]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <sav...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9c50a102-dd9b-4fe9...@i2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

What's wrong with that? A name is a name.

>

[Sharx35]

"BobbyM" <massey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:klqaju$7kr$1...@dont-email.me...

Do you STILL beat your wife?


>
>

[BobbyM]

Your response proves my point. You should quit while you're behind.

[BobbyM]

When did you first realize you suffer from dementia?

[Roger Ford]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Bob Roman
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 30, 2:30=A0pm, Michael Pendragon
><michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 1:41=A0pm, Bob Roman <robertjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 30, 11:01=A0am, Michael Pendragon
>>
>> > <michaelmaleficapendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > It is only permissible to disparage her beliefs. =A0Defamation of

>> > > character and libel are against the law.
>>

>> > > In America, we all have the rights of religious freedom and freedom o=

>f
>> > > speech.
>>
>> > Freedom of speech is the reason people are allowed to disparage her
>> > beliefs.
>>
>> I've already said that one can disparage her *beliefs.*
>>
>> What you don't have the right to do is to attack her as a human being
>> *because* you disagree with her beliefs.
>
>Your beliefs have made you a TERRIBLE human being.
>
>Try to sue me for libel.
>

However difficult it would be for someone here to sue you,for a US
citizen to attempt to sue me for libel would be ten times more
difficult still since I am pretty sure it would have to be done
through the British court system and with the plaintiff almost
certainly having to appear here in person and remortgaging their house
to pay the astonomically high cost of a UK libel action. And more
importantly still having to reveal their true valid home
address.........

Nah,I didn't think so either :)

ROGER FORD
-----------------------

"Spam Free Zone" - to combat unwanted automatic spamming I have added
an extra "b" in my e-mail address (mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk).
Please delete same before responding.Thank you!

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:28:41 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>If you had seriously compared me to Adolf Hitler in a public forum and
>I believed that it damaged my public image and/or career, I probably
>could. (For instance, if my book sales suddenly took a nose-dive
>shortly after your accusatory statement had been posted.)

Book sales? What book sales? How do you go below none?

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Yeah, there was some Miss America or something who made the same
>> mistake.
>
>You're joking, right?

No and it wasn't all that long ago either. I don't recall if she
ultimately won the pageant but she was definitely a
contestant.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> LOL......It's impossible for your book sales to go down. There's no
>> number below zero.
>

>Like I said, there's no place to go but up. :-)

Even your father-in-law won't buy one?

[Bob Roman]

On May 1, 1:07 am, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 1:02 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > The burden of proof lies with the person suing.  You'd have a hard time
> > proving among other things that: (1) Bob said that, (2) Bob knew it was
> > false.
>
> He only has to prove that it was false. Whether Bob knew that or not
> would not matter. Bob can't just say whatever he thinks is true unless
> it actually is true.

No, Bobby is right.

If I hear and believe that Mike started the Holocaust, I am within my
rights to report that. It's not libel even if not true.

On the other hand, if I hear that Mike started the Holocaust, then I
discover that he did not, but I say "Fuck it, I'm going to report it
anyway," that is libel,

Finally, if I simply say as a matter of opinion that Mike has the
character of Hitler, I can say whatever I want. A statement of
opinion is not libel EVEN IF IT HAS MALICIOUS INTENT.

--
BR