Thoughts on fyah
GypsyDread
http://www.jahworks.org/music/features/fire_burn.html
Paul B
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"GypsyDread" <gypsy...@aol.com> wrote in message
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asa
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>The thought-provoking article on the fyah bun phenomenon can be found at
>http://www.jahworks.org/music/features/fire_burn.html
I remember that article.. sent them an e-mail to put in their 'comments' section
some time ago, they never did. Dont think they liked what I had to say about it.
Frank Tonpsh
asa..
post it here..
i like posts that are controversial.
Carol Ott
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Sista Irie
way. Just because someone spouts the name Haile Selassie and wears dreadlocks
does not make them Rasta. I never read any evidence that this young man was a
rasta except as an excuse for hooligan behavior.~sis irie
asa
>asa..
>
>post it here..
>
>i like posts that are controversial.
lol, yes Jeremy I know that.
But as roots-ee writes, maybe thought provoking is a different way to see it,
anyway from the archives of deja is the following extended rant... basically it
all comes down to putting ones own house in order before criticising anyone
elses and is based purely on that elongated 'fire burn' aritcle @ Jah Works.
From: asa (asa_m...@goodways.com1net.com)
Subject: Re: Fiya Burn!
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Date: 2001-08-20 17:09:55 PST
In article <3B8188A2...@jahworks.org>, Jahworks Info says...
>
>Marley archivist Roger Steffens writes, "I loved the 'Love and
>Rebellion' CDs and article. And the elucidation on "fire burn" brought
>me up to speed in one swell foop - I like the idea of the fire as
>purification - iron sharpening iron as it were." Read more comments
>about his article here.
>
>If you have not yet read Gregory Stephens' "The Fiya Burn Controversy:
>On the Uses of Fire in a Culture of Love and Rebellion" on Jahworks.org,
>please do by clicking here. He tackles the difference between fire for
>purification and fire for destruction, why knowing what you oppose is
>not as inherently constructive
>as knowing what you stand for, and incorporating an integrative culture
>based on both love and rebellion.
>
>We welcome any and all comments.
>
Some minor comments maybe on the 'fire burn' article. Though I agree
totally with the view of human unity, it seems to myself that the majority
of the criticism regarding racist attitudes is directed at Afro-Caribbean
peoples, instead of white Americans/Europeans. In the USA where the writer
is from, Apartheid ended in the late 1960's, just over 30 years ago. Racism
is still wide spread in America and Europe, as it has been for nearly 500
years. Racism is a disease, propogated by capitalist europeans to justify
their use of agricultural forced labour, slaves from Africa. Later (19th
Centuary), Racism was used to justify the colonial/imperial ambitions of the
european nations, the 'white mans burden' is what they called the colonies,
acting as if they where doing the victims of imperialism a favour. The
racial mindset was essential to keep control, firstly the conquered people
must think that the are inferior to the Europeans and thus be ashamned of
what they are, and secondly the Working Class of the Imperial Nations (the
majority of the population) must be led to belive they are superior and
non-whites are somehow lesser humans.
This racist imperial mind set is still strongly held, sometimes very subtly,
in the 'First World' nations. Having spent a lot of time in the Caribbean,
of course I have come across racists but in fairness there are far more
racist British white people. I do not think 400 years of enslavement and
oppression based on and justified by skin color can simply be forgoten
about, especially as the western nations STILL practise neo-colonialism and
when racism in the western nations is so rampant.
Until such a time as the western nations have totally re-formed themselves,
a european american has no right to criticise african jamaicans, when there
is still so much racism, exploitation and neo-colonialism practised by his
own country.
http://www.rootsreggae.net/folder/text/racism_capialism.txt represents a
slightly different view point, though I have not fully completed it yet. In
my belief racism is a artificial construct, not inherent to human nature,
therfore it stands that there is reasons for its existence, and that in
time, once ALL of the reasons and factors have been completely addressed,
the evil of racism will dissipate..when this will happen is anyones guess
though. Personally I think the 'Backlash' has allready started, and things
in the short term will get worse.
Asa
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no water can out this fiyah,
does anyone know exactly what this signifies?
thasx,
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Ras Mikael Enoch
The Gregory Stephens article ?
I remember Gregory Stephens quite well,
of this newsgroup, as he time and time again
spouted ridicule against Marcus Garvey.
I told him that in his picture, he looked like
an ugly white lizard. I suppose he didn't approve
of that opinion.
The so-called white "intellectual" Gregory Stephens
has chosen to write about Jamaican culture, so that
he can attempt to criticize and vilify anti-faggot
lyrics in Jamaican reggae. I've seen it many times
before - a white North American usually, a fag lover,
LIKE ROGER STEFFENS, who's purpose for writing the
whole article is to solidify their own viewpoints
about their own love for fags. Tjey don't come out
and say it just like that.....but the gist of the
article speaks volumes about what really is batty
lover Stephens' agenda.
I've seen over and over,
a white North American, quote "expert" on reggae
culture, with the sole purpose of criticizing
Jamaican culture, ethics and morality.
Fag America and Fag authors.
If I want to read about Jamaican culture I read
Jamaicans written efforts, not the "experts" who
love to preach love and understanding for the
batty-man.
It nah work !
______________________
Ras Mikael Enoch
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Ras Mikael Enoch
In that I live in the heart of Gay country,
the San Francisco Bay {Gay} Area, Calif. -
I have over the years had the opportunity
to discuss Jamaica with some co-workers,
who happen to be gay.
Well,
Ha ha ha !
You should have seen their faces when I mention
Jamaica. Over and over, the gays would put
on such a gigantic frown, saying:
"I'll never go there"
"I don't like Jamaica"
That's fine, DO STAY AWAY !
Which means that when I go on vacation, I won't
be seeing loads and loads of queer couples and
gay freaks wrecking Jamaica or most importantly
INFECTING Jamaica even more !
Jamaica certainly doesn't want a sick feces batty
culture like they do in America. Jamaica doesn't
need any "help" from so-called white "experts"
who can't wait to write against Jamaican culture,
because of how it feels about Batty-Fags.
Leave it to a North American pro-gay white man to
offer criticism against Jamaican culture.
Gregory Stephens - take your pro-gay, anti-JA
article and stick it up your
OWN butt !
One of the charges that the gays and satanists at
KKUP FM made against I, was that I was playing
Jamaican reggae that ridiculed homosexuals.
They hated I&I for that !
They even decided to write a piece in that totally
queer magazine called: 'Out'.
Little did I know until I was framed, that the
satanist fags really hated my program, selections.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/framed
So,
I plead with Jamaican artists, to turn up the heat,
to turn up the flame, and burn down batty Babylon
fag Queendom. The satanist fags framed I&I, and I
will never forget that.
Nuke the S.F. Gay Area !
HAILE SELASSIE
chant bullshit about selassie and rasta...wheres their outcry and
threats of death against perverted heterosexuals who molest and murder
children and rape and murder women....these so-called reggae "artist"
hypocites who support murdering and executing other humans are works and
instruments of the devil pure evil and have nothing to do with rasta,
reggae, dancehall, roots, ital conscious living or selassie...they do
not represent any of these things or even Jamaica but only symbolize the
mental/ psychological depravity and illness found in monsters like
american anti-gay serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer and other psychopathic
sociopaths who belong not in heaven or mt zion but should be rotting in
prisons and hard labor camps for life or at least the death penalty,
with an eternity in hell to follow wih no hope of salvation or
redemption....but only if they commit the atrocious and evil crimes they
boast and toast about in their so-called music...
blood clot to these mental nutcases bent on hatred, violence and murder
to other humans, and to think that some of these psychotic nutcases have
children....by the way, the occasional conscious lyrics that these nasty
snakes throw into their recordings do not redeem them in the
least....neither does the fact that these schizophrenic sickos have
sudden "visions" and "transformations" and decide to become
compassionate rastas, vegetarians and philosophers and travel to the "4
corners of the earth to heal Jah children" like some fucking born again
bob marley-like saint...what pure mockery and fuckery...all
bullshit..."THOU SHALT NOT KILL" from day one, no fucking
excuses....otheriwse these so-called reggae artists and their blind fans
get no respect from sane and rational non-murderous, Jah Law abiding
members of the human race....
Ras Mikael Enoch
DEEJAY_...@webtv.net wrote:
>...all bullshit..."THOU SHALT NOT KILL" from day one,
>no fucking excuses....
Interesting,
Haile Selassie, the name you've borrowed/stolen
in order to post articles to this newsgroup, knew
all about Deuteronomy. In fact Haile Selassie I
approved of the Death Penalty in Ethiopia - hanging !
I suggest you check out Deuteronomy for maybe a
first time, and notice that witches and fags have
the same sentence that is supposed to be given them.
-------> Death.
Exodus 22:18 says: "Suffer not a witch to live"
Deuteronomy 18:10 says: "There shall not be found among
you any one that maketh his son
or his daughter to pass through
the fire, or that useth divination,
or an observer of times, or an
enchanter, or a witch."
Jah Almighty is very clear, we are to kill witches, and
if you want to look further, the Holy Scriptures also
point to death for homosexuals.
Haile Selassie I approved of the Death Penalty,
eh Mr. "Haile Selassie".
The San Francisco / Monterey Bay area reggae radio scene
sucks, namely that queers like Spliff Skankin' and Robert
Rankin' would never, I repeat, would never put a conscious
anti-sodomy song on their program. They never have,
probably never will. The reggae artist Elephantman ?
Bat man and boy wonder {Spliff and Robert} never play him,
and won't. In other words, the S.F. Bay Area reggae scene
is as queer as it gets.
What's the matter "Haile Selassie" ?
Is your angst against Jamaican recording artists built on
the fact that Spliff and Robert and Jose' are queers ?
Is your hatred for anti-sodomy songs in any relation that
you yourself claim to be from the same gay area ?
I suggest using another name, by the way,
you know you ain't Selassie, I know you ain't Selassie.
So try something original for once, eh ?
Ras Mikael Enoch
I was in Florida last November, and again plan
to visit that beautiful part of the country.
Well anyways, I was happy to hear local reggae
radio, so un-like the jokers out in California
who still sound like the college-sandbox radio
stooges they've always been.
In Florida, on the radio, there was plenty and
I mean plenty of Elephantman and his Chi Chi Man
song. So in other words, you can take your lame
ass California reggae scene and stick it - I'd
rather listen to authentic Jamaicans doing the
mixing, and authentic Jamaicans playing what is
popular in Jamaica right now,
versus what some gay radio laughables in California
choose to play on their program.
If one were only to listen to queer Jose' Scott
or Spliff Skankin' [Dennis Edward Bishop],
or Robert Rankin' [Robert Lohse],
then they would have no idea that Jamaica is a
hot bed of strongly conscious lyrics, notably
anti-sodomy songs.
Why ?
Because Batman {Spliff} and Boy Wonder {Robert}
cater to the fag crowd, because Jose' Scott,
Spliff's queer room-mate is just that !
Yes Virginia, the Bay Area reggae scene really
does suck !
Ras Mikael Enoch
Really though -
Anyone familiar with Batman and
Boy Wonder [Spliff & Robert]
of the local S.F. Bay Area reggae
radio scene, will know that they
have yet to hear one, not one,
reggae song that ridicules sodomy
or batty business.
Neither Batman or Boy Wonder have
ever played 'The Rasta Generation Band',
local S.F. Bay Area Jamaican reggae artists.
Why ?
Because Battyman and Boy Wonder don't
like people [reggae artists] who don't
like queers, or let alone those who happen
to write totally conscious songs about the
infestation of queers in Northern California.
Ever want a great song to play ?
Try, 'The Rasta Generation Band' and their
tune entitled: 'Earthquake'
Battyman and Robin [Batman and Boy Wonder]
Spliff Skankin' and Robert Rankin' refuse to
play any songs that mock sodom or sodomites.
Because ?
Jose' Scott [Spliff's queer room-mate] and
Robert, and Spliff are queer.
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it !
Messian Dread
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:35:08 -0500, "Rl...@bghost.net" <rl...@bghost.net> wrote:
>question---in one well known song the line runs---
>
>no water can out this fiyah,
>
>does anyone know exactly what this signifies?
>
>thasx,
May I wish you Peace and Love
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Although I do not agree with the words used in that "article" and
surly not with the aggressive attitude of the author, I do agree on
certain matters, though not on all.
Who is the author and were/when was this article published?
Tom.
DEEJAY_...@webtv.net (HAILE SELASSIE) wrote in message news:<22334-3C9...@storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
>ChylD<
There were in the 70's many songs against homosexuals like today?
I don't think so. I think this is only a lack of arguments. Jamaica have
more serious problems than battyman...
Michele
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> Just a question:
> There were in the 70's many songs against homosexuals like today?
> I don't think so. I think this is only a lack of arguments. Jamaica have
> more serious problems than battyman...
Very True,
To me it seems such a waste of time to judge gay people, they do no harm to
you. Whether you believe they are behaving badly or not, you have no more
right to judge them than the colonialists had to judge black people
inferior.
Oh, and I think to spout on about how Britain is a racist country (as if we
are all one big racist person!), when it is making much more effort to be a
working multicultural community than other nations including Jamaica or
America is a tad unjustified. There are black and white racists in every
country in the world and a few at least on this newsgroup. The fact that you
feel european americans (you might as well just say anyone with white skin)
have no right to talk about the situation in Jamaica is proof enough of your
racism too.
If you believe that racism is getting worse then that is up to you, I would
not feel that the struggles of people like Martin Luther King and such have
gone unnoticed, the world is comming together. It is obviously a slow
process and requires as much effort from the oppressed (in realising that
the white people alive today are not the people who enslaved you, tortured
you etc) as from the white( in understanding that racism is a cheap excuse
for social problems).
PEACE
TimC
">ChylD<" <tonym...@truzzo.web> wrote in message
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Erik Domstad
"A fire that no water can put out", I think came from a speech by Martin Luther King
Erik
MJKuelker
First a quote, from: asa<wit...@themail.rz:(Aug 20, 2001):
[...] "Until such a time as the western nations have totally re-formed
themselves,
a european american has no right to criticise african jamaicans, when there
is still so much racism, exploitation and neo-colonialism practised by his
own country."
The post takes offense at white American writers who criticize black Jamaican
culture rather than direct those writerly efforts toward the reform of American
culture.
Gregory Stephens, author of the Fire Burn article and co-producer of an
edu-tainment special called Expanding the Culture of Equal Rights, doesn't
uphold the borders that some critics apparently wants to reinforce. What he's
saying is that the music speaks beyond borders, incl. racial borders. If
that's the case, and I don't think anybody would disagree, what are we, the
beyond-the-border people, supposed to do?
One line of reasoning that's worth discussing is Gregory's argument that
consumers of reggae culture have the right to interact with the culture more
than through passive acts (such as buying and listening to CDs).
Gregory is fond of a quote by civil rights activist Angela Davis, who says (and
I am paraphrasing since I don't have the quote in front of me) that she
envisions a dialogic culture where whites are neither centered nor excluded.
It's another point worth discussing in this forum.
--mjk
asa
We all need to put our own houses in order.... then others may follow by
example?
Also there is racism in the Caribbean - especially the ex-Britsh parts, which
isnt surprising as Britain as former ruler used DIVIDE & RULE racist tactics to
keep control. The roots are firmly in history. And there are many many people in
the caribbean who hate racism of any kind.... leave it to them to solve the
problems of racism in their own countries, while we fight racism in our
countries. Otherwise its just the same old case of outsiders interfering with a
society (liberal imperialism??).
GypsyDread
past. In light of recent posts, it seemed to be appropriate to revisit the
issue. And it's always pleasant to sit back and do a little "trolling".
XAC
Gomorrow(SP)" was the way it was presented. Not as offensive as "battyboy" and
more of the established biblical foundation, not just hateful propaganda.
I think there are few problems more serious as than their scapegoating of gay
brothers and sisters.
In article <VMEl8.39874$1S3.1...@twister1.libero.it>, >ChylD< says...
SLI...@webtv.net
upstate NY. Well,due to whatever reason, he was forced to shut down his
establishment and find another means of supporting himself.He eventually
discovered selling candy & soda pop,out of his apartment in the complex
where he resided,could be profitable.It wasnt until just recently that a
number of teenage,and younger boys,began to talk about their
"experiences" with the man.So, after an "official" tenant meeting.A
decision was made to deal with this in a matter that involved 3/4 of a
1000 unit complex walking to, and arriving at,his door.The outcome? See
the first 4 words.
my views on fyah? are of no importance.
what is important is that everyone who believes in supporting gay
rights,should unite!This group should plan on beginning their campaign
right in downtown kingston,on a beautiful saturday afternoon.Please get
together and speak your opinions loudly and in public.
Robert Nelson
Erik Domstad wrote:
> "A fire that no water can put out", I think came from a speech by Martin Luther King
>
> Erik
Didn't James Baldwin talk about this too in Fire Next Time?
Robert
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