Japan?
eojakaar
Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
Progressive or pop.
Progbear
eojakaar wrote:
>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>Progressive or pop.
"New romantic" synth rock, like Ultravox, but not quite as good.
MIKE
Jody Brown
They are hard to guage. They did a couple of very prog tracks on ad.
sex, then followed up with a non-prog album. Ad. sex side 1 was
excellent! Very adventurious tracks, side 2 fizzled. Never heard
anything else about them again.
J & J Brown
GO RAMS!!!
Todd Hawley
On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:15:41 GMT, num...@conknet.com (Michael Kelly)
wrote:
>The last 3 albums are very much worth checking out - Gentleman Take
>Polaroids, Tin Drum and Oil on Canvas (Live album featuring music
>almost exclusively from the previous 2). The music took a more
>adventurous/interesting route - still pop but with great bass lines,
>rythyms, keyboards and vocals (if you like/love Sylvian vocals).
I would add Quiet Life to that list. It's also an interesting LP.
-th
Michael Kelly
eojakaar wrote:
>
>>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>>Progressive or pop.
Well, you may be familiar with some of the members solo stuff since
the disbanded. Members included David Sylvian, Mick Karn, Steve
Jansen and Richard Barbieri.
They formed Japan when they were teenagers. The first few albums were
fairly uninteresting - Look like a heavy metal/big hair/too much make
up band - sound like a Euro synth pop band - walk like egyptians.
The last 3 albums are very much worth checking out - Gentleman Take
Polaroids, Tin Drum and Oil on Canvas (Live album featuring music
almost exclusively from the previous 2). The music took a more
adventurous/interesting route - still pop but with great bass lines,
rythyms, keyboards and vocals (if you like/love Sylvian vocals).
If not familiar with solo stuff - check out Sylvians "Gone to Earth",
Karn's "Dreams of Reason" and Jansen/Barbieri/Karn "Seed" as starting
points.
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Henry Potts
eojakaar <eoja...@concentric.net> writes
>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>Progressive or pop.
I too was hoping for some Japan recommendations. I've recently
discovered some of Mick Karn's post-Japan solo work, which I love, and I
also quite like Sylvian's post-Japan work, yet my vague memories of
Japan when they were big are of nothing special.
So, was Japan ever anything like Karn or Sylvian's later work? What
other albums by Karn would people recommend -- I have _Bestial Cluster_
and _Polytown_ -- and what of Barbieri's [sp?] post-Japan work?
--
Henry
Gortleib
Forget about Japan and check out Sylvain's work with Robert Fripp,
especially the live "Damage" CD. Awesome stuff!
William T Bajzek
here are my recommendations:
japan: oil on canvas, tin drum
jansen/barbieri: stone to flesh (i think this album's a classic)
karn: the tooth mother (amazing bass work and excellent compositions)
david sylvian: gone to earth
sylvian|Fripp: the first day, damage
polytown
rain tree crow
j/b/k's Seed is very good, but only contains 2 new songs... The Insect
tribe appears on The TOoth Mother as "there was not anything but
nothing" and "beginning to melt" is a remix from another j/b/k cd of
the same name. i haven't heard the original, hoever, i hear tey're
very different.
for barbieri's stuff, i'd highly recommend porcupine tree, everything
from Up the Downstair through Signify and beyond.
William Bajzek
http://juanvaldez.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/
Dark matter flowing out onto a tape
is only as loud as the silence it breaks
Sean Terwilliger
Try _Oil On Canvas_ for Japan.
Jansen/Barbieri's _Stone To Flesh_ is an excellent CD.
_Tooth Mother_ by Mick Karn is an essential as well.
Somewhere out there is a live tape (legit) of Jansen/Barbieri/Karn and
Steven Wilson. I've not heard this, but would love to.
You could check out No-Man's _Heaven Taste_ and _Flowermouth_ (Which
does not have JBK on it but is a fantastic disc...)
-Sean
Ruud van de Kruisweg
On 21 Sep 1997 09:19:01 GMT, prog...@aol.com (Progbear) wrote:
>eojakaar wrote:
>>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>>Progressive or pop.
> "New romantic" synth rock, like Ultravox, but not quite as good.
You haven't heard much Japan? The classic Japan albums (Gentlemen Take
Polaroids, Tin Drum) are closer to the progressive pop King Crimson made in
the eighties than the synth rock of Ultravox. I like 'Vienna' and 'Rage in
Eden' but Japan is the better, more intelligent band. That's why all the
ex-Japan members are all linked to prog one way or another (Fripp, Porcupine
Tree, Torn) and have produced great stuff whereas the ex-Ultravox can only
boast a collaboration between Steve Howe and Billy Currie (the weak
'Transportation' album).
Ruud
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Murat N. Konar
As someone already mentioned, get Rain Tree Crow (name of the album AND
the band). RTC is basically Japan with a new name. This was recorded
and released in the early 90's.
There is a decent compilation of Japan tunes called "Oil on Canvas" that
is pretty good. I think it is still in print.
It's fair to warn you that Sylvian et. al. arrived where they are now
after starting out as a sort of glam-band. So Sylvian's singing often
has a strange affectation on the earlier Japan efforts.
_murat
Henry Potts wrote:
>
> eojakaar <eoja...@concentric.net> writes
> >Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
> >Progressive or pop.
>
C.J. Currie
Henry Potts <he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
>eojakaar <eoja...@concentric.net> writes
>>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>>Progressive or pop.
>I too was hoping for some Japan recommendations. I've recently
>discovered some of Mick Karn's post-Japan solo work, which I love, and I
>also quite like Sylvian's post-Japan work, yet my vague memories of
>Japan when they were big are of nothing special.
I say, Henry ...
David Sylvian's solo work is considerably more developed than his work in
Japan, who were basically a pop group with some "art" leanings. I have
_Gentlemen Take Polaroids_ -- which is a decent updated-Roxy-Music type
album, with fewer specifically progressive elements. Whether or not this
appeals to you is your discretion ...
The Christopher Currie
Frank Blades
C.J. Currie wrote:
>
> Henry Potts <he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
> >eojakaar <eoja...@concentric.net> writes
>
> >>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
> >>Progressive or pop.
>
> >I too was hoping for some Japan recommendations. I've recently
> >discovered some of Mick Karn's post-Japan solo work, which I love, and I
> >also quite like Sylvian's post-Japan work, yet my vague memories of
> >Japan when they were big are of nothing special.
I have one Japan album which has the track Ghosts on it - which is a
crakcer; very Oriental, loads of synths a distinctive vocals - very
atmosphereic. But it won't appeal to everyone. they were pretty much a
new romantic/arty band in the Eighties - not considered prog; although I
think their music was "progressive".
As for "where are they now". I think you will find half of Japan have
joined forces with Steve Wilson to form Porcupine Tree and no-man - both
of whom ARE retty progressive. There are strong Japan influences in the
no-man songs I have heard, although less in PT.
hope that's some use
Frank Blades
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Roger Espel Llima
In article <3427FC...@geocities.com>,
Frank Blades <ave...@geocities.com> wrote:
>As for "where are they now". I think you will find half of Japan have
>joined forces with Steve Wilson to form Porcupine Tree and no-man - both
>of whom ARE retty progressive. There are strong Japan influences in the
>no-man songs I have heard, although less in PT.
hm.. what's the connection between Japan and No-Man? I have no-man's
_Wild Opera_ and it didn't strike me as very proggy... how are their
other releases?
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Walter Kneis
C.J. Currie wrote:
>
> Henry Potts <he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk.REMOVE-TO-EMAIL> wrote:
> >eojakaar <eoja...@concentric.net> writes
>
> >>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
> >>Progressive or pop.
>
> >I too was hoping for some Japan recommendations. I've recently
> >discovered some of Mick Karn's post-Japan solo work, which I love, and I
> >also quite like Sylvian's post-Japan work, yet my vague memories of
> >Japan when they were big are of nothing special.
>
>
> David Sylvian's solo work is considerably more developed than his work in
> Japan, who were basically a pop group with some "art" leanings. I have
> _Gentlemen Take Polaroids_ -- which is a decent updated-Roxy-Music type
> album, with fewer specifically progressive elements. Whether or not this
> appeals to you is your discretion ...
>
> The Christopher Currie
Any comparisons between Gentlemen take Polaroids and Secrets of the
Beehive? I picked up SOTB in the cutout bin the other day, and not being
familiar with Sylvian's work, found it very melodic and enjoyable, with
guest spots by David Torn, Mark Isham and Ryuchi Sakamoto (sp?). The
mood sustained throughout is pretty consistently subdued, but I don't
imply that as a negative characterization. I would definitely recommend
this disc. Any feedback would be much appreciated. (Also re: Fripp/
Sylvian).
Cheers-
Walter K
wkn...@ix.netcom.com
Jason Grossman
Murat N. Konar wrote:
>
> As someone already mentioned, get Rain Tree Crow (name of the album AND
> the band). RTC is basically Japan with a new name.
Except without Sylvian, no?
Sean Terwilliger
Sylvian's all over this. It's his record.
-Sean
Sean Terwilliger
>
> hm.. what's the connection between Japan and No-Man? I have no-man's
> _Wild Opera_ and it didn't strike me as very proggy... how are their
> other releases?
J, B, and K have all played on early (very poppy) No-Man discs.
Flowermouth is extremely 'proggy'. Fripp, Mel Collins as guests... I
think Wild Opera is one of the most Progressive discs of last year. That
may not make it 'Prog' though.
-Sean
William T Bajzek
Jason Grossman <ja...@dph1.health.su.oz.au> writes:
> Murat N. Konar wrote:
> >
> > As someone already mentioned, get Rain Tree Crow (name of the album AND
> > the band). RTC is basically Japan with a new name.
>
> Except without Sylvian, no?
no, actually Sylvian's all over RTC
Mikey
Progbear wrote in article <19970921091...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>eojakaar wrote:
>
>>Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>>Progressive or pop.
>
> "New romantic" synth rock, like Ultravox, but not quite as good.
>
I've always felt there was an underlying proginess to new-ro. Once you got
past the hair and the makeup there was a lot of interesting music happening.
Ultravox's Vienna, and Duran Duran's Rio both have some exciting tracks that
could be considered prog. Even Gary Numan made an excellent concept album
whose name I can't recall (had "down in the park" and "are friends
electric?" on it).
Murat N. Konar
Mikey wrote:
>
> I've always felt there was an underlying proginess to new-ro. Once you got
> past the hair and the makeup there was a lot of interesting music happening.
> Ultravox's Vienna, and Duran Duran's Rio both have some exciting tracks that
Vienna WAS quite good. But even better (from a prog perpective) was Rage
In Eden, the album that followed Vienna.
Don't think I can agree with you about Rio, however. I did kinda like
it though.
> could be considered prog. Even Gary Numan made an excellent concept album
> whose name I can't recall (had "down in the park" and "are friends
> electric?" on it).
The Numan album you refer to is Replicas, which I liked quite a bit. But
Prog? I don't think so. Lyrically, it shared the sicence fiction theme
that lots of prog has, but the songs were simply songs. Not a lot of
the wild compositional richness I associate with prog.
Numan had an album called Dance which WAS a bit meatier. It was a very
moody album. My favorite Numan album. And just to close the circle,
Japan's Mick Karn and Rob Dean (I think), played on the album.
My 2 cents...
_murat
Ruud van de Kruisweg
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:50 GMT, Frank Blades <ave...@geocities.com> wrote:
>As for "where are they now". I think you will find half of Japan have
>joined forces with Steve Wilson to form Porcupine Tree and no-man - both
>of whom ARE pretty progressive.
The collaborations go both ways. Jansen, Barbieri and Karn have played on
No-Man records, Barbieri is a full member of Porcupine Tree. Steve Wilson has
played on a number of Jansen, Barbieri & Karn albums and also performed with
them live.
Henry Potts
Walter Kneis <wkn...@ix.netcom.com> writes [...]
>I picked up [_Secrets of the Beehive_] in the cutout bin the other day,
>and not being familiar with Sylvian's work, found it very melodic and
>enjoyable, with guest spots by David Torn, Mark Isham and Ryuchi
An extra 'i': Ryuichi.
--
Henry
The Lighthouse Keeper
eojakaar (eoja...@concentric.net) wrote:
: Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
: Progressive or pop.
Stuff I've heard is like arty glam-rock, maybe more synth based than
classic glammers. Supposedly they changed later on.
I was kind of surprised to see the likes of Sylvian and Karn turning
up in proggy circles, but the recent Jansen Barbieri Karn album (the
one with the hand on the cover) is quite good.
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Forrest Fang
pt...@netcom.com (The Lighthouse Keeper) wrote:
>eojakaar (eoja...@concentric.net) wrote:
>: Is anyone familiar with the band Japan? What kind of music are they?
>: Progressive or pop.
>
>Stuff I've heard is like arty glam-rock, maybe more synth based than
>classic glammers. Supposedly they changed later on.
>I was kind of surprised to see the likes of Sylvian and Karn turning
>up in proggy circles, but the recent Jansen Barbieri Karn album (the
>one with the hand on the cover) is quite good.
Japan's last studio album, 'Tin Drum,' is pretty unusual. Some very
innovative use of odd microtonal synth textures, via Barbieri's
Prophet 5 and other processors I think. Anyway, it's a pretty
innovative album, given the pop song medium they were working within.
I never quite warmed up to Sylvian's solo material in the same way,
tho the instrumental portions of 'Gone to Earth' and the 'Secrets from
the beehive' albums are pretty cool.
Forrest
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
Henry Potts (he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Walter Kneis <wkn...@ix.netcom.com> writes [...]
It is also occasionally spelt Riuichi, such as on the back of Yellow
Magic Orchestra's BGM album.
tim gueguen ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
Henry Potts
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> writes
>Henry Potts (he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: Walter Kneis <wkn...@ix.netcom.com> writes [...]
>: >I picked up [_Secrets of the Beehive_] in the cutout bin the other day,
>: >and not being familiar with Sylvian's work, found it very melodic and
>: >enjoyable, with guest spots by David Torn, Mark Isham and Ryuchi
>: >Sakamoto (sp?). [...]
>
>: An extra 'i': Ryuichi.
>
>Magic Orchestra's BGM album.
That is a non-standard transliteration of the Japanese.
--
Henry
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
Henry Potts (he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> writes
I've suspected for a while now that this may be "correct" using the
translation system common in Japan, which differs in some of the
combinations of letters used, ie Ryouga vs. Ryoga under the standard
system used here. As I
remember it the system used in the West is called the Hepburn system.
tim gueguen ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
Jud Patterson
I can pretty much guarantee that Ryouga is different from Ryoga and that
it is not a quirk in the romaji system used. The 'u' is used to denote
a longer 'o'. Some romaji systems use an 'h' instead of a 'u', but both
systems use some letter to denote when the 'o' is to be enlongated
(which changes the meaning of the word.) Now, the 'i' instead of a 'y'
may in fact be a difference in the romaji system used. I learned the
'y' method. I noticed in my correspondence with Tsukada-san of
Providence (who played ProgDay '97) that he used a different romaji
system than I did, but it wasn't different enough to cause
misunderstandings. For example, where I used 'shi', he used 'si'. For
those REALLY interested in learning more about the Japanese Language,
take a look at the following web site:
http://www.mindspring.com/~nihongo
Regards...Jud Patterson
h.p...@icrf.icnet.uk
ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN) wrote:
> Henry Potts (he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> writes
> : >Henry Potts (he...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : >: Walter Kneis <wkn...@ix.netcom.com> writes [...]
> : >: >I picked up [_Secrets of the Beehive_] in the cutout bin the other day,
> : >: >and not being familiar with Sylvian's work, found it very melodic and
> : >: >enjoyable, with guest spots by David Torn, Mark Isham and Ryuchi
> : >: >Sakamoto (sp?). [...]
> : >
> : >: An extra 'i': Ryuichi.
> : >
> : >It is also occasionally spelt Riuichi, such as on the back of Yellow
> : >Magic Orchestra's BGM album.
>
> : That is a non-standard transliteration of the Japanese.
>
> translation system common in Japan, which differs in some of the
> combinations of letters used, ie Ryouga vs. Ryoga under the standard
> system used here. As I remember it the system used in the West is called
> the Hepburn system.
Sakamoto himself uses "Ryuichi" as can be seen at his site
http://www.kab.com/m/siteskmt/frontdoor.html
--
Henry
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